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How Not to Vietnamize Iraq

By Judith Coburn, Tomdispatch.com. Posted August 5, 2006.


A former Vietnam War correspondent explains the eerie similarities between the Iraq and Vietnam wars -- and Bush's ever more chaotic, violent war policies.
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Through a scrim of red, dry-season dust, the sign appeared like an apparition hanging low over the no-man's land of the South Vietnamese-Lao border: "Warning! No US Personnel Beyond This Point." Its big, white expanse was already festooned with grunt graffiti, both American and Vietnamese. It was February, 1971, the afternoon before the invasion of Laos, and the sign but the latest bizarre development in the Pentagon's campaign to "Vietnamize" the war in Vietnam. The journalists who had hoofed it all the way to the border found the sign so grimly funny that we lined up for a group photo in front of it.



It all started in late 1969, when President Richard Nixon announced the first withdrawal of American soldiers from South Vietnam and their replacement by South Vietnamese troops. The new policy was dubbed "Vietnamization" by Secretary of Defense Melvin Laird and hailed as the beginning of the end of America's war in that land. But the North Vietnamese leadership in Hanoi wasn't fooled for a minute. The communists believed Vietnamization was only intended to de-Americanize the war, not to end it.



Hanoi was right -- more right than anybody at the time could have imagined. In the five-plus years of war that followed, more than 20,000 American soldiers would still die; Nixon would actually widen the war by invasions of both Cambodia and Laos; and brutal American bombing campaigns would kill over a million more Indochinese. In fact, more Indochinese and Americans would be killed or wounded during the Vietnamization years than in the war before 1970.



While comparisons to Vietnam and terms from that era like "quagmire," "hearts and minds," and "body counts" swamped the media the moment the invasion of Iraq began in March 2003, "Vietnamization" didn't make it into the mix until that November. Then, the White House, which initially shied off anything linked to Vietnam, launched a media campaign to roll out what they were calling "Iraqification," perhaps as an answer to critics who doubted the "mission" had actually been "accomplished" and feared that there was no "light at the end of the [Iraqi] tunnel." But the term was quickly dropped. Perhaps it resurrected too many baby-boomer memories of Vietnamese clinging to the skids of choppers fleeing the fruits of Vietnamization.



It seems, however, that there is no way of keeping failed Washington policies in their graves, once the dead of night strikes. I was amazed, when, in 2005, in Foreign Affairs magazine, Melvin Laird resurrected a claim that his "Vietnamization" policy had actually worked and plugged for "Iraqification" of the war there. Soon after, journalist Seymour Hersh, famed for his reportage on the Vietnam-era My Lai massacre (and the Iraq-era Abu Ghraib abuses), reported in the New Yorker that the Vietnamization policy of the Nixon era was indeed being reclothed and returned to us -- with similarly planned American drawdowns of ground troops and a ramping up of American air power -- and I wondered if we could be suffering a moment of mass post-traumatic stress syndrome.



When General George William Casey, Jr. -- whose father, a major general, died in Vietnam in July 1970 -- announced in June 2006 that the Pentagon might soon begin the first American troop withdrawals from Iraq, I couldn't help wondering where the Iraqi version of that sign might eventually go up. In the desert? On the Iranian or the Syrian border? (The "withdrawals" were, however, rescinded before even being put into effect in the face of an all-out civil war in Baghdad.)



However it feels to anyone else, it's distinctly been flashback city for me ever since. One of the great, failed, unspeakably cynical, blood-drenched policies of the Vietnam era, whose carnage I witnessed as a reporter in Cambodia and Vietnam, was being dusted off for our latest disaster of an imperial war. Some kind of brutal regression was upon us. It was the return of the repressed or reverse evolution. It was enough to drive a war-worn journalist to new heights of despair.



While brooding about Iraqification, I was reminded of what historian and Vietnam-era New York Times journalist A.J. Langguth said about Vietnamization. "By [1970], well over a hundred thousand [South] Vietnamese soldiers were dead, crops destroyed, cities in ruins, and we're talking about Vietnamization as though the Vietnamese weren't already bearing the brunt of the war," he told historian Christian G. Appy for his oral history of the Vietnam War, Patriots. "It was one of those words that gave a reassuring ring in Washington, but it was really insulting."



A point well taken as Iraqification is heralded in the land.



The Sound of Vietnamization




One night back in 1971 on the Lao border, not far from that big, white sign, I was to witness Vietnamization in action in its starkest terms. Two photographers, another reporter, and I were camped out with South Vietnamese Army troops who were to lead the next morning's invasion of Laos. (As it happened, the Vietnam War lacked a speech-writerly slogan like President Bush's, "As Iraqis stand up, we will stand down," but the policy was the same.) What I heard then was three sharp cracks, the sound -- we figured later -- of cluster bombs hitting the ground no more than twenty feet from us, mistakenly dropped by an American Navy bomber. A hurricane clatter of shrapnel fanned out toward us. It felt like sharing the same foxhole with a machine gun drawn dead on you. As the universe exploded in flames, our brains were blasted blank.



We thrashed for cover in what seemed like slow motion. Minutes later, with the plane long gone, the slopes around us were drenched in blood and strewn with the broken bodies, shredded or pockmarked with shrapnel, of hundreds of young Vietnamese soldiers. Helping drag the wounded to the medics, I left my tape recorder running. For me, the screams recorded on that tape have remained forever the sound of Vietnamization.



The Air Force called it "precision" bombing back then -- and still does. In guerrilla war, where fighters live among civilians, no bombing missions, no matter how carefully targeted, can avoid killing civilians. The Pentagon reports that, right now, on average on any given day, 45 American and British war planes are in the air over Iraq, plus Army, Marine and Special Forces helicopters. Most of the bombing is being done by American F-15s and F-16s from bases outside Iraq and F-14s and F/A-18s from carriers in the Persian Gulf. They mostly drop 500 pound bombs, though Hellfire-missile-armed Predator drones and other unmanned aircraft do their share of damage, and in Afghanistan both B-52s, those old Vietnam warhorses, and B-1s have been called in. In addition, as one would expect in a "Vietnamization" program, the number of air strikes has risen sharply in recent months. Last summer, air missions in Iraq averaged 25 a month; by last November, they had jumped to 120 a month and have remained at that level ever since.



Occasionally, American military commanders remark that civilian casualties, sanitized with the euphemism "collateral damage," are regrettable; but, in areas where local residents are believed to support the guerrillas, civilian casualties may actually be the goal rather than so many mistakes. In Vietnam, the Pentagon created "free fire zones" in the countryside where any living thing was fair game. The theory was simple, if bloody-minded: If the guerrillas swam in the sea of the peasants, as Chinese Communist leader Mao Ze Dong had so famously argued, then, as American counterinsurgency experts were fond of explaining, it was necessary to "drain the sea."



With last week's announcement that more American troops were being rushed to Baghdad to put a brake on the fast-developing civil war in the capital, we may be seeing a new twist on the old theme of Vietnamization -- Americans may up the use of air power in al-Anbar Province and elsewhere in the heartland of the Sunni insurgency as a substitute for troops "drawn-down" to Baghdad. As I saw in Indochina, however, air operations rarely succeed anywhere as a substitute for crack ground troops. They can kill enormous numbers of people without significantly tipping the military balance.



Here's how one helicopter pilot described the effectiveness of air ops during Lam Son 719 (the official name for the invasion of Laos): "Before the first insertion of ARVN [South Vietnamese] troops on one firebase, we laid in B-52 raids, tac air, and napalm for five hours. Then we waited a half hour and went in. Our first three helicopters were shot down. There were still a million guys out there."



Flunking Counterinsurgency 101




In his recent book Fiasco and accompanying articles in the Washington Post, reporter Thomas Ricks argues that neither the American military, nor the Bush administration learned even the most elementary counterinsurgency lessons from Vietnam. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, Ricks reports, has refused even to admit that his troops were fighting a guerrilla war in Iraq, just as the Pentagon insisted in Vietnam that the North Vietnamese were the real enemy, discounting the guerrillas in the South.



The use of high profile, aggressive tactics like round-ups, constant patrolling, indiscriminate firepower, and the abuse of prisoners has alienated civilians in Iraq just as such tactics did in South Vietnam. When American soldiers in Iraq complain -- just as they did in Vietnam -- that the enemy "melts" away or that they're "hiding" among civilians, it's because, on some very basic level, they and their commanders just don't get how a guerrilla war actually works.



One American general I interviewed in Vietnam was incredulous when I told him that I attended a Vietnamese wedding in the largest, most "secure" provincial capital in the Mekong Delta, only to discover that about half the guests were National Liberation Front (NLF) officials -- that is, southern guerrillas.



He was no less shocked to hear about a day I spent in 1971 in a "secure" Delta village watching most of the residents line up placidly to vote for the only candidate on the ballot, American-backed President Nguyen Van Thieu. The next morning, back in Saigon, the South Vietnamese capital, I found an NLF flag in my hotel mailbox wrapped in a message from those same villagers. The point they were making was a simple one about the hidden complexities of that war. The NLF, they explained, had decided to urge the villagers to vote for Thieu so that the area would continue to look "secure" and village support for the NLF would remain under the radar screen.



Recently, the Pentagon claimed that it was changing course in its counterinsurgency tactics in Iraq, each zig and zag like this one seemingly intent on replicating the worst of that long-gone era. In an eerie echo of Vietnamization, the old, failed military policy of "clear and hold" -- the idea of clearing designated limited areas of guerrillas and supportive civilians, securing those areas, and then, in "ink blot" fashion, spreading out from there -- is being resuscitated. It is meant to replace the modern equivalent of General William Westmoreland's discredited big-unit "search and destroy" operations. In Iraq, however, in a deft, cynical PR twist, the phrase has been recoined as "clear, hold, and rebuild." (No matter that Iraqi "reconstruction," long ago bankrupted by corruption, cronyism, and pure administration incompetence, has already wound down without a "mission accomplished" banner in sight.)



Standing Up or Standing Down?




Well, forget "rebuild." Key to whatever new strategy does exist is the Bush administration's stumbling, fumbling, already bloody Iraqification policy aimed at "standing up" a national army. Our media dutifully passes on the administration's impressive stats on new troops and police trained. Critics insist those troops are ill-equipped and badly trained.



I remember identical glowing reports on American-trained troops in South Vietnam in the early 1970s. Unfortunately, deeper questions about the effectiveness of proxy armies are almost never explored. How do you really get them to do your bidding? How do you even make them believe that what they are doing is for them and not for you?



In South Vietnam, there was a draft for the army and, by 1970, when President Nixon was praising our efforts to create an effective indigenous force (as is George Bush today), the desertion rate was 50%. In Iraq, there's no military draft, but there is an economic one in which the desperate and jobless sign up because they can find no other way to get a half-decent paycheck or support their families. Many of them, like the South Vietnamese grunts I spent time with, are loyal to the idea of survival, not to a corrupt, divided, and ineffective government. Any number of these Iraqi young men are, in fact, already pledging allegiance to powerful Shiite militias, even while serving in the government's police or army.



Now the US finds itself fighting those same militias as well as the insurgents. American troops have battled the Mahdi Army on more than one occasion, have demanded the disbanding of Shiite militias and death squads to no avail, and are now being drawn into a Sunni/Shiite civil war, which is now killing an estimated 100 Iraqi civilians a day.



As George Orwell wrote in his famed essay, Shooting an Elephant, about his days as a British colonial policeman in the Burma of the 1920s, pesky locals always seem to manage to muck up the best laid plans of foreign occupiers, no matter how good those plans may look on paper or sound on the lips of high officials.



Two weeks into Lam Son 719, we international journalists mounted our daily assault on U.S. and South Vietnamese military flacks at the Saigon press briefing known then as the "five o'clock follies."



"Why haven't the so-called crack South Vietnamese troops from the First Division advanced even a meter in Laos in the last week?" my notes quote one exasperated reporter as asking. "Why did General Abrams [commander of American forces in South Vietnam] fly north yesterday?" shouted another. "General Lam [South Vietnamese commander of I Corps] will advance his troops when he desires to," the South Vietnamese military briefer answered stiffly. "General Abrams is reviewing the situation," his American counterpart added wearily.



It took only a few days for Vietnamese reporters to nail down the painfully obvious story. Lam Son 719 was an American construct -- we all knew that from the get-go. It was to be a major test of Vietnamization, wherein South Vietnamese troops were to, in today's parlance, decisively "stand up." But President Nguyen Van Thieu didn't like it much, his generals even less. When the invasion almost immediately turned into a rout, Thieu feared his generals might try to overthrow him.



Lt. General Hoang Xuan Lam commanded the only South Vietnamese troops tough enough to rescue the operation, but he was also the only general Thieu could depend on to block a coup in Saigon. He didn't want Lam's troops bogged down in Laos; he wanted them poised to rescue the "palace."



American planning, the shock-and-awe air ops of that moment, and pressure from the Pentagon simply couldn't prevail in the face of local politics on either side of the armed struggle. Former South Vietnamese Ambassador Henry Cabot Lodge, ever frustrated by how little "our" South Vietnamese followed his orders, once complained that when he told Prime Minister Nguyen Cao Ky something and Ky nodded yes, all it meant was that he understood what the Ambassador had just said, not that he would lift a finger to do it.



Those Pesky Proxies




Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki hasn't exactly been rolling over for the White House recently either. He has demanded that American soldiers be subject to Iraqi courts, that Israeli attacks in Lebanon be stopped, and that the Bush administration send even more aid. In fact, so many of the Bush administration's manipulations in Iraq, including the financing of favorite candidates in elections and strong-arm pressure on the Iraqis to form a government more or less to our liking, have, for an old Vietnam hand, a painfully Yogi Berra-ish déjà vu all over again feel to them.



The Bush administration finds itself trapped in a contradiction even the United Nations has experienced: that democracy introduced by occupying forces is almost certain to prove undemocratic. Ambassador Ellsworth Bunker was fond of telling reporters that the United States was "neutral" in South Vietnamese elections. But the American embassy worked tirelessly to manipulate Vietnamese politics: trying to hand-pick electoral candidates, approving the disqualification of "neutralist" ones, sanctioning a presidential race with only one candidate ("one man, one vote, and the man is Thieu," I headlined that one), okaying the jailing of Thieu's most serious opponents because they advocated negotiating with the communists, and making sure the South Vietnamese police were fully equipped to "neutralize" any other opponents -- especially from the South Vietnamese anti-war student movement. Eventually, with Vietnamization in ruins, the Nixon administration would pressure Thieu -- with absolutely no success -- to accept a "coalition government" so America could finally exit Vietnam with all due speed.



By 1970, a majority of Americans thought the Vietnam war was a mistake, almost exactly the same percentage now feels the same about Iraq. Back then, the White House clung for dear life to Vietnamization while Congress dithered. Now, the same holds true. Even the language -- "Cut and Run," "Stay the Course" -- remains largely the same, as the repetitive bankruptcy of the enterprise deadens even our linguistic life. As then, so now, the complications on the ground in Iraq seem insurmountable from the point of view of an administration and a Congress intent on maintaining what in the Vietnam era was called "credibility" and now has no name at all. George Orwell would have grasped what our politicians are going through: "...my whole life, every white man's life in the East, was one long struggle not to be laughed at..." is how he summed up his Burmese days.



Every now and then, as yet another grim Vietnam déjà vu rockets by me, I think back to Senator George Aiken, the flinty moderate Republican from Vermont (the John Murtha of that time), who, tiring in 1966 of endless hand-wringing from his colleagues about how to get out of Vietnam, told the assembled solons one day that it wasn't hard. All we had to do was declare victory, Aiken said, and fly the troops home. That would have been real "Vietnamization."

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Judith Coburn covered the war in Indochina from 1970-73 for the Far Eastern Economic Review, the Village Voice, and Pacifica Radio. She is working on a memoir about Vietnam and the 1960s.

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60s all over again
Posted by: Bobsays on Aug 5, 2006 1:04 AM   
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This is a good piece. Both Bush and Blair, are both inheritors of go-go economies undergoing, as a result of globalisation, rapidly changing societies and economies. This enormous wealth has, like in the 60s, bread arrogance on a vast scale. A belief that they can use that wealth to reshape the world in their own vision. This arrogance has now embroiled us in multiple wars and will lead to a full-on WWIII.

We are already being blitzed and bullshitted by the 'power point rangers' over how successful these wars are. Robert Macnamara gave the Vietnam war its obsession with statistics like war was a factory floor; Microsoft and the internet gives us the 24/7, always-on war. In partnership with the media, it works to a point. But as we see with the Pentagon's freak out over soldiers' video diaries and 'war porn', their is a crack in the facade.

We will keep falling back on technology to solve this problem, and the more we do that, the more we will delude ourselves and become detached from the real forces driving this war. And the more we will be clueless about the people on the ground that we are inflicting this horror on.

Hezbollah is being shaped into the Vietcong of the 21st century. With each day that passes, and the Israelis show they can't defeat them, the more power and mystique these guys will take on. Lebonon is always lost: arrogrant Israelis have yet to figure it out (it is not exactly in the national character to do so). But time will prove this.

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history
Posted by: rsaxto on Aug 5, 2006 4:41 AM   
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History tells us what not to do but the Bushies are too dumb to read history let alone understand it. So they will continue to do massacres until the noose of reality forces them to withdraw troops so that the Iraqis will really be in charge. Future history will record just how criminal the Bushies now are.

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» RE: history Posted by: Edward George
Lessons unlearned
Posted by: Moonray on Aug 5, 2006 4:50 AM   
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Excellent article. It's clear that Donald Rumsfeld and other Pentagon officials learned little or nothing from the Vietnam debacle.

Melvin Laird's rose-tinted Foreign Affairs memoir is a good example of Republicans' strangely arrogant attitude about spreading U.S.-style democracy at the point of a gun.

Laird never got it. Still doesn't. He actually believes that if the U.S. had continued to pour money down the Vietnam rathole, we somehow would have prevailed . . . eventually.

That kind of separation from reality -- which we now see at play in the Bush policy on Iraq -- is possible only when the key U.S. officials are insulated from the facts on the ground.

That's why Republicans are so dangerous: They act on faith instead of on facts, even in matters of national security. Like the crusaders of old, they are perfectly willing to slaughter thousands of innocents to vanquish the enemy (which to them is always Evil Incarnate).

This kind of stupidity in government was tolerable in the 19th century and even the 20th, but with nuclear weapons proliferating around the world, it could end civilization as we know it.

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WoW what a blast......
Posted by: Captainmagic on Aug 5, 2006 5:09 AM   
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Thank you Judith, Thank you a thousand times. You have captured most accurately exactly how far the mighty USof A has come since it's last major OS operation, and that is exactly... nowhere....They have learned naught since the second world war where they were taught how to engage the foe...they have learned naught in Korea when they did not know how to withdraw to a position of strenght.....they learned naught in Vietnam where a body count showed, (that just as american airmen in WWII alone shot down more planes than Germany ever produced) here they killed more Vietnamese than were born over a given point of time and now here is a lady who was there and can tell you first hand HERE WE GO AGAIN ....you Americans just don't get it..you really don't..what exactly do you think you have WON for yourselves since WWII....What on earth convinces you that you alone are right and the rest of this planets inhabitants are wrong...Two ..just boys load up weapons in Columbine and blast away in school and shock horror...Oh my God..this is a disaster...yet you can thunder into ordinary peoples lives with a high and mighty MANDATE (from whom prey tell) and simply slaughter the innocent...thats what your (army, airforce Navy.. army airforce,... navy airforce, marine airforce,..have I missed one ....Question! (What don't you have?) What they do best is SLAUGHTER...your military is not equiped to handle wars..but it is best equiped to missmanage carnage...the fastest with the mostest and to hell with in between...don't listen to me just have a look at your record for gods sake.....and you absolutely wonder WHY peoples hate you.....HAVE YOU GOT IT YET!!!!!!!!!

I know I am ranting to the already converted good people of the Alternet community but please don't tell me Iraq is a WAR...for it is not...at the end of the day it is simply authorized "WILFULL MURDER"...but Hey, lets pretend it never happened OK.

Captain OUT
P.S Thank you again Judith for the Time Capsule.

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» RE: WoW what a blast......sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
» RE: WoW what a blast...... Posted by: outsidea
» RE: WoW what a blast......No Joseph Posted by: Captainmagic
» RE: WoW what a blast...... Posted by: braxxian
Iraq is not Vietnam!!
Posted by: citizenjoe on Aug 5, 2006 6:14 AM   
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Don't be stupid. The policy in Iraq is very different.Three major differences: permanent occupation, subjugated state, assertion of supremacy. What are these? In permanent occupation the US aims to have permanent bases to protect its interests in the region. The US is not leaving EVER. A subjugated state is one that will secure our regional domination -- not hostile to Israel, and not supportive of Islamic or Arab nationalism.This is far more than a puppet governmnet which we wanted in Vietnam. Assertion of supremacy: this means the USA dominates the region BY ITSELF and dominates its so called allies such as Europe and NATO. -- Iraq is the beginning of the era of US Supremacy. Vietnam belonged to the older era of US hegemony, leader of the free world. These are different as night and day. What do poor journalists know, even good ones? Not damn much.

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» Boy, are you deluded Posted by: Moonray
» RE: Boy, are you dumb Posted by: citizenjoe
» RE: Iraq is not Vietnam!! sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
» Sojourner- you are getting good Posted by: citizenjoe
» RE: Iraq is not Vietnam!! Posted by: Richard Dudgeon
No Jobs=Soldiers
Posted by: mite on Aug 5, 2006 7:50 AM   
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1968! Looking for work for 6 months now since getting out of high school. CTA (Chicago Transit Authority) feels more like home then foster home-no one screaming "get a job". Been to 68 employers, filled out 68 applications- "sorry you have no experience or we'll call you". 2 friends killed in apartment building last night- gun shots, police sirens, and lots of screaming every night- unable to sleep- can't wait till next day-sleep on the bus. Walk into community college to see about taking classes- tuition way to expensive-shit! What am I going to do? Peer preasure in neighborhood to join gang and get money- looks better then $1.85hr.
July, 1969 fell for the brainwashing on T.V and people around me, recruiter promised me an education in the USMC, guess what- north of the DMZ 150 miles on this date.
Rich mans war= poor mans coffin and less population.

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» RE: No Jobs=Soldiers Posted by: Jesse Cristo
» RE: No Jobs=Soldiers Posted by: gonzoskismet
big wars big toys big death
Posted by: Gregor on Aug 5, 2006 9:09 AM   
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Our government is spending money on this war, but wait! The soldiers come back mentally and physically disabled...Gee, more money out the door and the suffering families...And more money to the Iraqi people "ooh, we were wrong." and more payments. And then of course beefing up security because we have pissed off so many people by destroying their country it has turned into a blood feud now and they will never rest...So we go bankrupt because we almost already are, and the Democrats will be left holding the bag for the blame.

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Bush Stupidity
Posted by: sofla100 on Aug 5, 2006 9:30 AM   
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The Bush administration was pretty stupid to imagine even a proxy or US puppet government (pseuo elected or not) in a country like Iraq would be supportive of Israel. I mean, even if they are our puppets, they don't want to be killed. Being an Arab means knowing about the Palestinians, the Lebanese and Israel. For the US now, the danger is that the Iraqi's themselves will see US forces as an extension of Israeli forces and Israeli foreign policy. That is essentially US policy anyway, but if the Iraqi's figure it out, many of our troops are in for real hell.

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Too Late
Posted by: robchapman on Aug 5, 2006 10:23 AM   
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How Not to Vietnamize Iraq

TOO LATE!!!!

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SOS, Different Day
Posted by: outsidea on Aug 5, 2006 12:17 PM   
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What a great piece of writing. Thank you so much Judith.

I served in Nam for 16 months in 64 and 65 and was there when we first started to really crank up the slaughter....

Unlike my first enlistment, I was serving in an intelligence outfit this time. Quite different from being in a line company in 101st Airborne and the First Cav. along the Imjin river in Korea. I got to see much more about what was really going on than the grunts ever do. By the end of my tour I was ready to quit the military forever...and I did.

You know what, the war did not go away for me...even though I never (for a while) told anyone I was a Nam vet, it kept surrounding me...reminding me of the utter untruth of what our political leaders and generals were saying. It was painful for me, especially since I grew up in the military. My father was a professional soldier...30 years, United Sates Air-force. Painful for me to see the officers corp used as cheap shills for the politicians determined to pursue victory in Nam....no matter what. Remember Westmorland? I had served under him when he commanded 101st Airborne. One year we (my rifle company) had Christmas dinner with him and his family. He was great. He gave a rousing speech about how proud he was of being airborne and how proud he was of us and his fondest wish was to lead us in combat somewhere in defense of our great Nation. We ate it up.
To see him lying about Nam shoulder to shoulder with the politcians...thats what (in my naievete) was painful.

To make a long story short I later joined both the SDS (Students for A Democratic Society) and the Vietnam Veterans Against the War. It took some sacrifices and was often frustrating if not outright painful. In the end I thought it was worth it. I thought that the country had learned a lesson....and we would see no more Vietnams.

How wrong I was.

How sorry I am.

Its the same old shit just a different day.

Joseph

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» RE: SOS, Different Day Posted by: gonzoskismet
» RE: SOS, Different Day Posted by: Richard Dudgeon
It is a bit late at this point - it is already a Vietnam-style mess..
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Aug 6, 2006 11:09 AM   
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But with one important difference - the oilfields of Iraq. If you've been following the Northern Iraq story, you'll realize that ExxonMobil is taking oil out of the Kurdish region via Turkish pipelines now that prices have gone through the roof. Dick Cheney is heavily invested in ExxonMobil through his Vanguard fund, as well - isn't that an illegal conflict of interest? Oh, it's a 'blind' fund and he's strictly 'hands-off' - and the corporate media (also a big Vanguard investment area) won't question that assertion, oh my no.

Rumsfeld even trotted out the 'domino theory' - "if we pull out, the communists will move in, backed by Red China, and the whole Mideast will go Commie!" I think he must have been having a flashback to his old days in the 60's.

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Washington D.C. is the problem...
Posted by: mn on Sep 14, 2006 12:47 AM   
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...and it has to be put in a box. This is government gone wild. Time for the party to end and the adults to take over. Split up the country, decentralize power. Remove corporate personhood. Criminilize stupid alpha-male behavior.

Senior Agent Manderso Nation
www.nevadacityfreepress.com

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