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The Hard Truth About Suicide Bombers

By Nichole Argo, AlterNet. Posted May 8, 2006.


Though many Americans assume otherwise, most suicide bombers are not poor, violent Muslims, as explained in this special report from MIT's Center for International Studies.
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Suicide terror has become a daily news staple. Who are these human bombs, and why are they willing to die in order to kill? Many observers turn to Islam for an explanation. They cite the preponderance of Muslim bombers today, indoctrination by extremist institutions, and the language used in jihadi statements.

But these arguments fall short. At present, bombers are primarily Muslim, but this was not always so. Nor does indoctrination play a strong role in growing today's selfselected global jihad networks. Rather, militants and bombers are propelled by social ties. And even when jihadis use the Qur'an and Sunna to frame their struggle, their justifications for violence are primarily secular and grievance-based.

So what is religion's role? Almost 100 years ago, Emile Durkheim contended that religious ideation is born of sentiment. This is worth considering in the current context. Against the repression, alienation and political helplessness of the Muslim world, jihad speaks of individual dignity and communal power. 'Against the Goliaths,' martrydom says, 'even one bursting body can make a difference.' The Muslim street is buying it, though sometimes ambivalently. To stop the bombers of today and tomorrow, we need to figure out why.

A Different Profile

Suicide attacks have been a prominent tactic in insurgent movements since the 1970s. Then, analysts believed that bombers and their masterminds were irrational, if not crazy, or had given up on life because of desperate circumstances such as poverty, depression, or social failure. However, data that have since been compiled show that suicide attackers come not from the criminal, illiterate, or poor, but from largely secular and educated middle classes. They do not exhibit signs of sociopathy or depression, nor do they appear to have suffered more than their respective populations. Surprisingly, many are volunteers, rather than recruits. There is, in short, no individual-level profile for a suicide bomber. Human bombs are a product of structural, social, and individual interactions.

Rather than evince suicidal tendencies -- as the term "suicide bombers" connotes -- psychological autopsies of past and would-be bombers show many of these individuals to be wholly, even altruistically invested in life. As a result, it is more apt -- and less misleading -- to refer to these individuals as "human bombs" rather than "suicide bombers."

Why Religion, and Why Not

Since 9/11, the notion that terror is bound to religious extremism has almost become an implicit assumption. This is easy to understand. If bombers were once "normal" people, then religious indoctrination could explain their fanatical behavior. Moreover, the numbers are powerful: 81 percent of suicide attacks since 1968 have occurred after 2001, with 31 out of the 35 organizations responsible being jihadi. Even the London and Bali (II) bombers who acted independently of terror organizations were Muslim. It would be difficult to deny that Islamic inspiration is at work in the motivation and mobilization of rising terror. But how? Inspiration is not causation, and a growing body of data suggests that Islamic indoctrination and belief are not the answer. Below, I audit several arguments commonly offered in support of the religious terror thesis.

1. Muslims perpetrate most of today's terror, so most terror must be motivated by Islam.

At present, 31 of 35 organizations perpetrating suicide terror are Muslim. But five years ago, a majority of attacks were carried out by secular rather than religious organizations. Because religion-terror correlations have changed over time, they tell us little about causation. Even if the statistics were stable, it is not possible to infer bomber motivations from organizational charters. Rather than ask who is perpetrating the attacks, we need to ask why.

Here history can help. Martyr missions made their official twentieth-century debut in the Second World War with the Kamikazes; they showed up again in the 1960s, when Viet Cong sympathizers exploded themselves amidst U.S. troops. Their debut in the Islamic world was not until the 1980s, during the Iran-Iraq war. Facing a far superior Iraqi military, Ayatollah Khomeini rounded up children by the tens of thousands and sent them in "human waves" to overrun the enemy. While Persians accrued losses in the war against Iraq, the role of the martyr in defensive jihad was exalted. As in U.S. wars, the dead became heroes.

The Iranian example had seismic effects. Lebanese groups appropriated the notion of a martyr's death almost immediately, employing human bombs against Israeli and international presences in Lebanon as early as 1981. Half of the human bombs in Lebanon were perpetrated by secular organizations. The Tamil Tigers of Sri Lanka perfected the tactic, becoming the most professional cadre in the world. Human bombs were also used by the Kurdish PKK against Turkey, the Sikhs in India, and the Palestinians against Israel, to name a few.

When we think of suicide bombers, we think of extremism. But the cases above locate the bomber as one popularly supported element in a coherent campaign of resistance against a perceived occupier, and such was true for 95 percent of the bombings prior to 2003. Note that allegiance to resistance appeared to trump allegiance to religion. And most important, for bombers and for the publics that exalted them, the notion of self-sacrifice would not have existed except for the context: a perceived necessity for group defense.

2. Indoctrination: madrassas, mosques and terror cells manufacture suicide bombers.

Indoctrination suggests brainwashing. In popular parlance it can happen emotionally, when intense bonds are forged in a cell-like setting, or ideologically, where students are exposed to one rigid view of the world. If such mechanisms have been at work in fomenting global terror, we should see it in the data. Bombers would: a) spend significant time "training" with terror organizations; b) exhibit organizational allegiance, and probably share political views with their mentoring institutions; and c) come disproportionately from extremist madrassas or mosques. Above all, we would expect to locate the genesis of the twenty-first century surge in martyrdom in such institutions. But this is not what we find.

Consider the lack of organizational attachments revealed in a 2003 study of 15 would-be Palestinian bombers in the second intifada. Sixty percent had no prior experience with terror organizations, much less a history of violence against Israel.

Twenty percent started their mission within one week of accepting it, while 80 percent set out on their mission within a month. Indeed, half of them volunteered for missions, while those recruited were usually approached to take on the mission by family or friends.

Organizational allegiance was slim: 20 percent originally attempted missions independently, turning to local groups to help them when matériel or logistics became difficult. Three switched organizations when it appeared another group had better capabilities. These numbers, which ran parallel to findings in a similar Israeli government study, suggest that bomber convictions in the second intifada existed with little or no organizational priming. Terror organizations served as facilitators, not indoctrinators. Most bombers came to them through friends, and many times, friends engaged in operations together.

Neither organizational recruitment nor
madrassa training figured heavily in former intelligence officer Marc Sageman's 2004 study of 172 members of the global Salafi jihad. Sageman found that discipleship, a kind of mentor-student indoctrination, accounted for only 8 percent of the network. Although the study included networks from Europe, the Mideast, the Maghreb, and Asia, that entire 8 percent came from only two Islamic boarding schools in Indonesia and Malaysia.

The remaining network came to jihad informally through kinship and friendship bonds, 20 and 70 percent respectively. Like the Palestinian case, many joined in groups. Importantly, 78 percent of the network joined jihad in a country other than their homeland. Many of them met in mosques -- the primary local community centers for Muslims. Alienated and alone, they bonded over a feeling of Muslim victimhood as observed on television and in pictures of wars involving Muslims. Religious devotion did increase for most individuals prior to their missions, but it is difficult to say what that means: growing devotion could be a cause or an effect of engaging the jihadi network.

How does this compare to what we see in Iraq? Little evidence is available, but according to Saudi and Israeli investigations of 154 foreign fighters in Iraq, "The largest group [of foreign fighters] is young kids who see the images [of war] on TV and are reading the stuff on the internet. Or they see the name of a cousin on the list or a guy who belongs to their tribe, and they feel a responsibility to go." This suggests that foreign fighters come self-motivated, ready to sacrifice before funneling themselves into insurgent networks within the country.

What of hate-preaching madrassas throughout the Muslim world? Consider Pakistan, known as a "Jihad U" of sorts, with its ten thousand-plus madrassas, many of them sending students to Afghanistan for the war there. We would expect Pakistan to produce bombers in the early stages of global jihad, but there were only two. Rigid worldviews were not enough to push students to strap on bombs. They needed an emotional impetus. One had existed in Afghanistan; another was with the invasion of Iraq. Images of humiliation and needless death were ubiquitous on television, and in stories from friends and family. By the end of 2004, the number of Pakistani martyrs reached at least 10.

In sum, until 2004 and despite their hate-mongering, religious institutions did not contribute significantly to the rise in global terror. Instead, the empirical data parallel neuroscientific inquiries into how people acquire beliefs: First, emotion and social ties precede acquisition of ideology; second, joining the jihad does not appear to be an explicit decision, but a social and emotional process that happens over time.

3. Terrorists justify their violence with the language of Islam.

What about Islamic texts and martyr statements? By designating the non-Muslim West as an infidel enemy, do they not endorse a "we hate you for who you are, not what you do" belief? A closer examination of three words -- infidel, jihad, and martyr -- calls this into question.

Infidel: Abu Bakr Ba'asyir may be the most qualified "zealot" to teach about infidels. As the Emir of Jema'ah Islamiyya in Indonesia (an affiliate of al Qaeda), he is arguably responsible for at least 202 deaths, many from the Bali bombings in October 2002. But he says the logic of jihad is not against non-believers: "There are two types of infidels; the infidel who is against Islam and declares war on Islam is called kafir harby [enemy infidel]. The second type is kafir dhimmi [protected infidel]. These are people who don't fight against Islam, but don't embrace Islam or remain neutral ... As long as other communities don't fight against [us], we won't fight them." Ba'asyir says that the people in power today "do not tolerate [Islam], as in the case of America now which pushes its idea to change Islam with its weapons and dollars."

What does it mean to "fight" against Islam, and is the U.S. guilty? If "fighting" Islam means dictating what is preached in mosques, or disallowing headscarves in France, it was happening long before today. By itself, religious and cultural infringement on Islam was not enough to spur individuals to the risk and sacrifice of jihadi terror.

Rather, it seems that most Muslims, including terrorists, justify defensive jihad in response to violent social injustices. For instance, Osama bin Laden's statements are shrouded in religious references, but he cites the persecution of Islam in communal terms: "Its sons are being killed, its blood is being shed, its holy places are being attacked."

Such are the images and arguments that accompany most bomber wills and videos. Such are the images invoked in polling questions that ask whether Islam is under "threat": moderate Muslims who respond in the affirmative tend to support terror against the West.

Jihad: The Islamic debate over jihad -- greater and lesser, collective vs. individual, offensive vs. defensive, and ethical concerns -- is too complex to capture here. But most of those joining jihad today have not captured it either. They are not religious scholars, and the jihad that originally appeals to them appeals on the emotional basis of defense. The jihadi narrative solves a pressing emotional problem: Why are my people dying, or oppressed? What can I do?

In Palestine, psychologist Brian Barber found that adolescent participation in the struggle against occupation is correlated with higher esteem and pro-social in-group behavior, despite its risks and sacrifices. In contrast, unorganized Bosnian Muslim youth studied during the Balkans conflict exhibited lower selfesteem, anti-social behavior, and general feelings of depression. Irrespective of the chances for success, in certain conditions it may be psychologically harder to not act.

We know that suicide bombing and jihad are statistically unlikely where there are civil liberties and constructive political channels for action. That said, even in democratic countries opportunity is a matter of perception. Thus wrote Mohammad Khan before he became the leader of the London bombers, "Our words have no impact upon you. Therefore I'm going to talk to you in language that you will understand. Our words are dead until we give them life with our blood." In short, emotions matter to the creation and embrace of radical beliefs, especially the beliefs worth dying for. "Emotions create new beliefs... [because they] entail an appraisal based on currently salient concerns."

Martyrdom: In Arabic, the root for martyr has two meanings. Westerners know the term in its offensive sense: those who "sacrifice their lives" -- often against us -- in jihad (istish'hadiyyin). But the foundational meaning is "those who are killed by the enemy" (shuhada) -- often noncombatants, i.e., civilian casualties. The distinction is important because most terrorists and their communities will tell you that in the locale, state or homeland they identify with, shuhada (innocent casualties) came before the istish'hadiyyin (bombers). Whether or not they agree with the tactic of terror, these populations understand the istish'hadi as giving his life for those who fell before, and to prevent those who would fall in the future.

Those who interview terrorists often hear about the role that media images have played in their conclusions that Muslims are threatened. A militant in Gaza once remarked to me about the power of television: "The difference between the first intifada and the second is television. Before, I knew when we were attacked here, or in a nearby camp, but the reality of the attacks everywhere else was not so clear. Now, I cannot get away from Israel -- the TV brings them into my living room ... And you can't turn the TV off. How could you live with yourself? At the same time, you can't ignore the problem -- what are you doing to protect your people? ... We live with an internal struggle. Whether you choose to fight or not, every day is this internal struggle."

For all of us, images we view on television prompt two separate processes: affective reactions and cognitive appraisals. We feel the characters onscreen, but the feelings are turned off with an appraisal of reality. If the images were of your group under attack, however, it is highly plausible they would remain salient. We see this in the new terror. Global jihadis, like 78 percent of Sageman's network, often don't come from war zones. Like descriptions of Iraqi foreign fighters, they see images of injustice, have friends or family there, and feel obligated to help.

Sacred Values, Social Networks

Religious beliefs do not simply mold individuals. They exist as "sets of ideas that 'are there,' as if on the shelves of a supermarket waiting for someone to make them their own." Individuals pull them off the shelf when their old frames no longer make sense of the world around them.

If beliefs are not born of sacred texts alone, neither are behaviors like marytrdom. Rather, would-be bombers place jihadi values -- fighting for life, dignity, equality -- above all else. It is not the commandment that is sacred, but the emotional reward it bestows. We need to be asking new questions: For what are normal individuals able to kill? A plausible answer is: their community, under threat. When does a person make costly sacrifices to do so?

Within a social structure -- a terror cell, a military unit, a family, or group of friends -- that continually regenerates conviction to a cause, a feeling of obligation to do something about it, and a sense of shame at the idea of letting each other down. Whether one lands in a social group with jihadi tendencies may be random. But the prerequisite for this path is perceived injustice.

Policy Implications

Are we capturing, killing, or deterring and dissuading more terrorists every day than the madrassas and the radical clerics are recruiting, training, and deploying against us?
-- Donald Rumsfeld, Internal Memo, National Security Council, 2002
The Bush administration argues that a violent ideology is at the root of terror, and that eradicating it and its believers is the way to a better world. But people aren't joining the jihad because of ideology. It is true that there are radical leaders capitalizing on the emotions of anger and resentment that seethe throughout the Muslim world -- but they could not foment something that did not resonate with many normal people. In today's terror mobilization story, demand is as strong as supply. Understanding why this is so is the first step to defusing terror mobilization.

The social networks theory has several implications for policy. First, because commitment to jihad is rarely a cost-benefit decision, or an explicit decision at all, military deterrence will likely fail. Terrorists and insurgents forge loyalties that are difficult to betray, and like our own military units, many would prefer to fight to the death rather than leave their brothers. Second, under urban conditions of asymmetrical engagement, military missions almost inevitably entail civilian casualties. Military leaders must re-conceptualize the effect civilian casualties have on the populations surrounding the terrorist or insurgent. They are frequently interpreted by the population as offensive, and thereby engender an impulse to fight back. As one Palestinian told a reporter: "If we don't fight, we will suffer. If we do fight, we will suffer, but so will they."

Lastly, findings about the way in which people acquire beliefs suggest that a war of ideas will mean nothing unless it resonates emotionally with our targets. Emotional resonance only comes when the values we promote reflect our role in the local realities on foreign ground.

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Nichole Argo is a doctoral candidate in political science at MIT. She lived for two years in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza and has conducted a study of human bombs for a forthcoming book.

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The Internet Is Being Compromised
Posted by: bodo on May 8, 2006 1:02 AM   
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The last refuge of free speech is on its way out, both covertly and legislatively. Google and Yahoo can not be trusted. If we don't all come together on this one, we will permanently lose our ability to come together on anything else in the future.

AlterNet, it is your responsibility as well as that of every other aspiring free citizen of the modern world to devote focused attention to what is happening here.

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well spoken
Posted by: LeDiablePlaisant on May 8, 2006 1:14 AM   
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"Rather than evince suicidal tendencies -- as the term "suicide bombers" connotes -- psychological autopsies of past and would-be bombers show many of these individuals to be wholly, even altruistically invested in life. As a result, it is more apt -- and less misleading -- to refer to these individuals as "human bombs" rather than "suicide bombers."

-the intention of propoganda is to mislead the psyche
-that is why it is phrased this way
-that is to say
-they always have a reason for doing it their way.
-it's not a bad reason
-but it is, i agree, pretty typical [of "Them"]

i question whether 'human bombs' would not make the notion of the thing somewhat more romantically appealing, a liberal foot-shot circumstance, but its sympathy/empathy is also instantly recognizeable and in this case i think yes the dignity of personal acts should always be sanctified rather than underestimated.

it is always important not to write-off and completely discredit the chaos of motivations & culture & globalization that are inherent seeds of policy, bred in indifference so to speak, not something possible like the american dream, but dimly promised and unfulfilled, the way america ad[d](a/o)p[e](t)s things for a while and then religiously repents through the media "Oh they way that they ever existed at all...." dotes on all the facts and details and barely even questions them or asks who these people were.

coming on the tail of the Moussaoui trial's [conclusion] and all the questions pithily aroused by that in the conservatives i know, along with everything else that is, awesome work.

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Excellent article
Posted by: golandan on May 8, 2006 4:13 AM   
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Nichole Argo
Excellent article. Your findings are an eye opener.
My kid that was recently recruited to the Israeli army said: "Dad, how come Grandfather tells us stories about how he hunted the head of a terror group, and you hunted terror leaders, and now I am still involved in the same hunting of the SAME "head of Jihad / Hammas / Fatach" in charge of terror? have we all failed?"

Our common indoctrination claiming that if we could only "kill faster than they recruit" as Donald Rumsfeld is quoted saying in your article, is proven to be a false strategy.

Blaming Islam as creating a "violent ideology" is a poor justification we use to justify our acts. It is used by the military to block any other possible options of dealing with the issues. If it is Islam to blame, as our indoctrination claims, there is nothing we can do about it, but to shoot them.

History as you stated shows that suicide bombers like the Japanese Kamikaze, Viet Cong in Vietnam, Sikhs in India, are not Moslems.

You claim correctly that sacrificing is a "a perceived necessity for group defense". In that sense our troops killed in Israel and US soldiers killed in Iraq are sacrificing their lives with exactly that same notion of a "a perceived necessity for group defense".

I hope your views manage to find their way into the Pentagon and to Jerusalem. The proper solutions towards peace will follow.

Hope to see your book soon.
All the best.

Dan

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» RE: xcellent article Posted by: boing007
» RE: xcellent article Posted by: balabala
The poor Israelis are used as human shields for
Posted by: SDres11 on May 8, 2006 5:44 AM   
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the elitists. Like America, Israel's a total "Animal Farm" with the Napoleons and the brainwashing Squealors to keep it coming.

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Information on suicide bombing
Posted by: jreinhart1 on May 8, 2006 6:04 AM   
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Read "The Poor Man's Air Force: A History of the Car Bomb (Part 1)". by Mike Davisarticle at http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/041206M.shtml .

It is well written history on the subject, when people are pushed into a corner with no other way of retaliation. The number of people slaughtered by 500 and 1000 lb bombs well exceeds the number of people killed by suicide bombers but we never hear about it. The carnage is even worse and mind numbing when cluster bombs are used to support ground troops. To see what cluster bombs do to human flesh is to understand why they are illegal, however they have been widely used in Belgrade to Baghdad, two very heavily populated areas. Unexploded cluster bomblets are played with by children! It's very sick.

I could explain the function of white phosphorus and how it works when combined with moisture on the skin, beneath clothes or in one's mouth but it requires a little knowledge of chemistry and an understanding on how to make acids and bases. Just suffice it to say that anyone it gets on or inhaled into causes severe burning. All food has to be thrown out.

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Artical is horribly inaccurate
Posted by: jreinhart1 on May 8, 2006 6:07 AM   
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Suicide bombing has been around for a while and long before used by Islamic jihadists. Read The Poor Man's Air Force, A History of the Car Bomb (Part 1) b y Mike Davis at http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/041206M.shtml .

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» RE: Artical is horribly inaccurate Posted by: VisionQuest
enlightening
Posted by: ladyoracle on May 8, 2006 6:11 AM   
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I can't wait to see Argo's book. I had some knowledge of many of her points, but it's great to see them pulled together and articulated poignantly.

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Underinformed
Posted by: Honesty on May 8, 2006 6:48 AM   
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While Nichole Argo's "research" is to be respected at least for its attempts in understanding the phenomena, it falls very short at least in terms of the roots of how it started.

While I can not precisely remember the earliest date, it is already known that this happened even before B.C.

One even more detailed account was in a book authored by Wladimir Bartol (peculiarly enough never translated into English, yet available in Turkish and German) in the novel "Assassins of Alamut". In this book a good account of Hassan Ibn Sabbah's operation is explained. Sabbah was a tyrant, who some good 900 years before Osama b. Laden had conquered the Fortress at Alamut also called the "eagles Nest" and created an artificial "Garden of Eden complete with the 72 virgins". These were all very young and attractive females collected during raids of rich caravans or from the slave markets.

Young and healthy men were collected and brainwashed that they could by adhering to him and his teachings reach martrydom and walk through the gates of paradise. To do this he would hashish a glass of wine and order these young men to drink it to witness the paradise first hand and even live to tell it to others. When recovered these young men would naturally find themselves in the "Garden of Eden" and access the virgins. After spending a few nights and days in "Paradise" they then would be brought back via the same method of drinking the "hashished wine" so as to not realizing that they were merely being transported into this "manmade secret garden" or the paradise as he referred to it.

One such young man would then be ordered by Sabbah to kill himself publicly to demonstrate that Sabbah was the enabler of one's acceptance to paradise. The chosen young man in his desire to go back and be with the virgin he had already met, would without hesitation comply with Hassan Ibn Sabbah's command. This public display would then further pursuade that Sabbah was the messiah and that he by all accounts was to be trusted.

Sabbah's aim truly was to attack and destroy the Seldjuk Turks who had a vast empire which spanned from India to the Mediterannean. Seldjuks conquest of Persia (today referred to as Iran) was what had Sabbah resort to this method. The young volunteers, who had become suicide killers of the then prominent Turkish rulers were called "Hasheshians". Because they would be converted into the killers via suicide after using the hasheshed wine, the word "hasheshian" settled into other languages and this is the word we refer as "assasin" in the English language, today.

When considering about the vast choice of books available today, it is curious as to why this book is never made available in English.

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more truth abput suicide bombers
Posted by: wawa on May 8, 2006 7:41 AM   
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Having been to Israel Palestine three times since June 2005 [refer to WAWA blog: December 21, 2005-January 6, 2006, March 11-March 27, 2006]


And having spoken with members of Hamas in Bethlehem and many Palestinian Christian and Muslim's throughout theWest Bank re:

What makes one strap on a bomb and commit suicide/homicide?
I was told:

1. there was a precipitating event: either they witnessed the killing of a family/friend and reacted out of anger/desire for vengence

2. they have lost all hope

3. nobody does for it the virgins

http://www.wearewideawake.org/

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well written
Posted by: zedaker on May 8, 2006 9:13 AM   
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and more to the point...it goes to the roots of the behaviors and hints strongly at the method to stop it. unilateral disengagement by one side or the other removes the impetus for the bomber.

israel is approaching this now and we'll see if they can manage to pull it off.

we need to do this in iraq as well. our simple presence there now is impetus for attacks on us. i argue that when bush said mission accomplished (don't even bother with denials about his direct words, the banner said it all) he was right, and we should have come home immediately. (i don't, however, agree at all with going in in the first place. i think bushco is guilty of war crimes from the get-go in iraq. they should be impeached and tried for felony violations of our laws as war criminals. not by an international court but by a US court. we can clean our own house, and if we can't then we have no right to tell others to clean theirs.)

BUSH/CHENEY '07
IMPEACH AND IMPRISON

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fascinating article
Posted by: mokidugway on May 8, 2006 10:42 AM   
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and long overdue. Thanks.

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no apologies for suicide bombers please
Posted by: Andrew Edwards on May 8, 2006 12:15 PM   
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When somebody blows themselves up on a bus, they go beyond any point where we should try to figure out how to satisfy their demands. Better to condemn their actions in plain language, and make sure they don't get what they want.

Further, lets stop pretending that suicide bombers don't claim to take much of their inspiration from a religion that so happens to be Islam (which, last time I checked, would not be Mohammed's fault).

There is nothing progressive about murder, nor religious hatred--and apologizing for it is extremely ineffective as a rule.

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» No-one is apologising Posted by: HeroesAll
» RE: No-one is apologising Posted by: redjenny
It is just their way of going to war . . .
Posted by: janvdb on May 8, 2006 12:23 PM   
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They have no other means.

Do we not also go to war?

Going to war is a human tendency. As it is a chimpanzee tendency.

Maybe a stupid tendency, but still a tendency.

Just because those who attack us do not have the national armies, the sitting governments, etc that we have (as we have entered their regions and subverted those they could have there to serve our ends) does not mean that they are "morally" prevented from going to war with whatever means they have.

The fact that attacking us isn't going to get them anything they want, that it may, in fact, push them further from their goals of gaining respect, equality and acceptance . . . is sad.

The root cause is youth unemployment, frustration and the humiliation of their kind. Humiliations of Shiites by Sunnis and Jews. Humiliations of Sunnis by Americans. And so on and on.

The way to drain its energy is through fewer youths and more jobs.

Jan VanDenBerg

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» try again Posted by: Capybara
» The world is stupid... Posted by: senior_girl87
But what about Sam Harris' point
Posted by: Bizby on May 8, 2006 12:53 PM   
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Human beings are complicated, and what causes any particular person to become a suicide bomber, or human bomb, is probably also complicated.

But while I think the article is both informative and important, I am still struck by the fact that I have yet to hear of a Buddhist suicide bomber, or a Hindu suicide bomber, or even a Christian suicide bomber for that matter. Sam Harris makes this point in his book The End of Faith (so its not my original thought), but I don't think the article--or perhaps it is the research itself--deals with this observation.

But I'm open to think about other ways to view the religion factor.

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So who are the real villains?
Posted by: RON_KING on May 10, 2006 6:54 AM   
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If the "being attacked" motivator is to be believed, the bombers are certainly being decieved as to who the real villains are. Most of the ills of their culture are perpetrated on them by their leaders, those in power, those with all the oil money. The "West" as evil doers are complicit mostly by the fact that they purchased the product that these people controlled. OIL!

And to religeous arguments, one has to wonder how commiting suicide, even in martyrdom, is even remotely possible to the devout muslim. Islam condemns it as strongly as Judeo/Christian sources do. Maybe even more so. You would have to be really thick or completely secular to even begin to think that it was acceptable.

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I find it amazing
Posted by: Aussie Kim on May 11, 2006 8:37 PM   
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That funds are being cut off to the Palestinian government - the DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED Palestinian government - by governments who complain that Hamas has not renounced the use of terror and violence...while these same governments continue to support, encourage and perpetrate terror and violence upon others.

So the people of Palestine get to suffer further. As usual. For something that vast majority of them have never done.

It's just another example of what has gone on in places like South America - democracy tries to break out, due to the hard work of the down-trodden locals, but the US decides that it's the "wrong sort of democracy", and so crushes the country until there's little left except torture chambers and blood stains.

And so you continue to punish people in these countries, like Palestine, then wonder why they get so angry and start fighting back.

Did you know that in the lead up to 1948, some Rabbis said that forming the new state of Israel would be a BAD idea? Too bad no one listened.

Tell me - was the formation of Israel REALLY to give the Jews a homeland, or was it the West's way of getting a foothold in the land of Oil? I am starting to think that NOTHING the West does in the Middle East is EVER meant to benefit anyone living there.

It's ALL just about oil and control and greed and evil.

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Suicide bomber? or self donor?
Posted by: balabala on Jun 2, 2006 2:55 AM   
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Ms. Nicole Argo,
Madam,

Here are some more points to ponder from a Tamil journalist, actively following the war in Sri Lanka.

A different profile
From Tamils of Sri Lanka: for whom the LTTE (Tamil Tigers) are fighting for a separate state: In Tamil Language thatkollai = (than + kollai) = suicide (self + killing). But when one kills self for the betterment of the other’s future, then its tahtkoddai = (than + koddai) = giving one’s self. Koddai means philanthropy.
Further, Tamils consider these Thatkoddaialarkal (suicide bombers) equally service minded as social service workers (Florence Nightingale), freedom fighters (Mahatma Gandhi, Nelson Mandela, founders of the American nation) Sceintists (Marie Curie) and great leaders (Abraham Lincoln)
Thatkoddaiyalan singular. Thatkoddaiyalar – plural
The first Thatkoddaiyalan from Tamils was Miller, a black tiger special commando. It was his plan to take truck loaded with explosives into a military camp, occupying a school. Mr. Prabhakaran, the LTTE supreme didn’t want to hear such. But Miller through his adamancy finally got the LTTE high command to agree to his plan. To this date any such Thatkoddai attack is undertaken by strictly volunteers. One is selected through lottery out of tens of volunteers.

These souls are not are not psychopaths, violent nor ruthless. They are trying to bring changes in a political system that has ruthlessly crushed all other non violent struggles of their fore fathers.

Hence, these Thatkoddaiyalar are respected as great heroes by the Tamils all over the world.

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Rampant false flag attacks and duped bombers.
Posted by: wli on Jun 4, 2006 8:58 AM   
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The way it works in Iraq is relatively simple. The US arrests some unsuspecting cab driver or whatever, and tells them they have to jump through various hoops to get their driver license back. While they're indoors talking to the MP's or whatever, their cars are rigged with explosives to be set off remotely. Then when they arrive where they've been told to go to get their driver licenses back, the cops (or whoever) there have no idea about them, and they call the US' MP's back on their cellphones. This is generally when the explosives in their cars are set off remotely.

Presumably most of them call from inside their cars and are killed in the process. A few dozen have reported what happened and been ignored by the major media outlets in both the US and Europe.

The number of purported "suicide bombers" who are dupes of some kind is impossible to estimate, but is infinitely larger than reported, since the number reported is 0. It's not terribly difficult for authorities to arrange such things. For instance, instead of the Iraq style, they could say to some "rebellious" youths of Arab or Pakistani descent, "we're going to bust you for smoking pot or some such unless you wear a wire and carry a suitcase full of cash for this sting operation," except the sting operation is bogus, and the suitcase has a bomb to be set off remotely in it instead of cash. The "suicide bomber" thus duped never has the slightest idea what happened, but has unwittingly opened up a gold mine of funding for the military-industrial complex' "counter-terrorism" and political policing efforts.

P.S.: The FBI has already been caught trying to pull such a stunt; they surreptitiously planted a bomb in Judi Bari and Darryl Cherney's car and even got caught doing it. Their estates got a few million dollars, but nobody in the FBI was held criminally liable. See the wikipedia article on Judi Bari.

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