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How to Get Out of Iraq

By Tom Hayden, In These Times. Posted August 25, 2005.


The door is swinging wide open for the peace movement -- and politicians in the Democratic Party -- to offer an exit strategy for Iraq.
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When you're in the middle of a conflict, you're trying to find pillars of strength to lean on," an American officer in Iraq said recently. With those words he provided a clue to ending the war: Undermine the pillars of Pentagon policy through people power.

Those pillars -- among them public cooperation, Iraqi cooperation, congressional compliance, centrist caution, military recruitment and U.S. alliances -- are weakening.

The Time Is Now

Public support for the war is down, as are the president's ratings. Antiwar Democrats are coming back. Military recruiting is hitting a wall. The strategy of "Iraqization" is failing. The coalition of the willing is disintegrating. America's reputation is tattered.

Public sympathy towards Cindy Sheehan suggests a crucial shift in America's sensibility toward the losses. Usually wars generate a public reluctance to withdraw without "victory" so that the fallen shall not have "died in vain." In this case, Sheehan has led much of the country through a grieving process that demands the truth so that no others will die for hollow or fabricated reasons.

Recognizing its weaknesses, the administration is on a mission of perception management to gain time and resources. Americans are now being promised that Iraq will have a new constitution, democratic elections and, most importantly, that the first troops may be home by the spring of the 2006 election year.

These gestures are the Bush administration's responses to the quandaries it is confronting on the battlefields of war and domestic public opinion. They are designed to extend the conflict while appearing to begin disengagement. This ploy is nothing new; we should remember that the Vietnam War continued for seven years after President Johnson was pressured to resign and peace talks began.

"They just keep getting stronger," The New York Times recently wrote when describing the Iraqi resistance. The Times went on to confirm that over the past year the insurgents have inflicted some 65 attacks on U.S. and Iraqi troops each day, with increasing sophistication and precision. Baghdad is "effectively enemy territory, with an ability to strike at will, and to shake off the losses inflicted by American troops." American casualties cannot be concealed. During May and June, 71 Americans were killed in 700 attacks; by the year's end it is likely that 2,000 Americans will have been killed, not counting hundreds of American private contractors. According to Pentagon data, 13,000 Americans have been wounded in battle, more than half of them seriously. Tens of thousands will return with serious mental health problems.

U.S. troops cannot hold the territory they occupy -- the classic contradiction faced by an occupying power trying to prop up an unrepresentative regime against a nationalist resistance. The training and deployment of Iraqi counter-insurgency troops -- "Iraqization" -- has failed so far, according to declassified Pentagon reports. And Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld says it may take four, eight, or 12 years -- in other words, several more U.S. presidential cycles.

Iraqi Antiwar Groups Rise

The most significant factor on the ground is the rise of an Iraqi movement calling for U.S. withdrawal and the end of the occupation. Rather than welcoming such a development, the administration and a media blinded by its own paradigms have ignored the possibility of a peace process among Iraqis.

Buried in the eleventh paragraph of a July 2005 story about two British contractors dying in Iraq, the Times mentions that supporters of the Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, famous for two uprisings against American troops, collected one million signatures against the occupation in three weeks. In addition, on June 12 at least 82 members of the Iraqi parliament -- one-third of the body -- issued a statement calling for the end of occupation and complaining they were not properly consulted in the United Nations Security Council's recent extension of the occupation.

The rumblings within America's client regime reflect a widespread consensus on the ground. Surveys taken at the beginning of 2005 show that 82 percent of Sunnis and 69 percent of Shiites favored a near-term U.S. withdrawal. According to the State Department's own internal surveys, at least half of Iraqis interviewed say they feel unsafe because of the presence of American troops.

Indeed, a former minister in the Iraqi government, Dr. Aiham Al Sammarae, is engaged in peace talks with representatives of at least four insurgent groups. He spoke in Washington in July about his mission, but has received no public acknowledgement by government officials or mainstream reporters. In all likelihood, the Bush administration is struggling to suppress even moderate voices against the occupation. After all, how would the United States respond to a broad-based antiwar movement in Iraq? Call a majority of Iraqis dupes of terrorism?

Most Americans would be relieved at the prospect of peace talks among Iraqis, including the insurgents, aimed at ending the debacle. The situation calls for a negotiated exit strategy, not Rumsfeld's boastful assertion, "We have no exit strategy, only a victory strategy."

Nevertheless, the White House will play upon the significant misgivings many Americans feel about the consequences of a sudden pullout. Since Bush has no exit plan, it is important that peace advocates put one forward in the final battle for public opinion.

A provisional exit plan is circulating as a petition to Congress on several peace group Web sites. Its core guidelines include:


  • A demand that the United States disavow any plans for permanent military bases or control of Iraqi oil.
  • A declaration of intent to end the occupation in months, not years, followed by an initial limited troop withdrawal by December.
  • A request that the United Nations take responsibility for military monitoring and the task of economic reconstruction.
  • The appointment of an independent peace envoy to undertake the shift from the military model to one of conflict resolution.
  • Immediate peace talks with the Iraqi opposition, including insurgents, to begin a political settlement.


If these proposals seem utopian at the moment, the alternative is a continuing hell. The peace movement needs to advocate a peace plan, demand hearings and debate from Congress, and hold do-nothing politicians accountable.

Congress Wakes Up

Congressional Democrats are begining to take up an exit strategy, both to put the administration on the defensive and to send a positive message to those who are against the war but worried about the consequences of withdrawal.

In the past eight months, the leaders of the Democratic Party were either out-hawking the Republicans or AWOL from the antiwar struggle. But thanks to many local activists and the Progressive Democrats of America, in the past several months Democratic conventions in California, Wisconsin and Massachusetts passed antiwar resolutions, as did the Young Democrats of America. And a courageous handful of Representatives like Lynn Woolsey (D-Calif.), Barbara Lee (D-Calif.), Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) and Neal Abercrombie (D-Hawaii) offered withdrawal resolutions. Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) was forced by his colleagues in February to withdraw a similar resolution he had introduced in the Senate. Lately, Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.) has taken up the banner of withdrawal by the end of 2006. DNC Chairman Howard Dean has also realized the need for an exit plan, and encouraged congressional hearings.

The changed atmosphere in Washington is symbolized by the public interest in the Downing Street hearings chaired by Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.), the antiwar stances of a growing number of House Republicans and the increasing number of co-authors on Woolsey's withdrawal resolution -- from 14 to 128. Shortly afterward, Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) led a backroom rebellion against Minority Leader Rep. Nancy Pelosi's leadership, forming an "out of Iraq" caucus of more than 60 members.

Tens of thousands will be descending on Washington, D.C. for United For Peace and Justice's Anti-War Mobilization on September 24, providing an opportunity for the peace movement to further amplify its message.

That would pose a real complication to the administration when it seeks another $80 billion supplemental appropriation sometime after January. At the moment, the reluctance of elected officials to cut the war funds remains the Bush administration's strongest pillar. But by next year's election their numbers and their discontent will rise, in direct relation to the voices of protest and frustration they hear in their districts.

A key issue for the antiwar movement will be driving home the budgetary costs of the war to local constituencies in congressional districts. One billion dollars per week could purchase health insurance for 46.4 million people, Head Start enrollments for 27 million kids or 8.6 million four-year college scholarships. Such figures are available up-to-the-minute for every budget category for every state at CostOfWar.com. As people learn the facts being kept from them, public support for further funding will shrink.

Unorthodox Alliances

Centrists, moderates or national security types are unlikely to take a strong stand on withdrawal. It is more likely that an antiwar majority will grow from the right and left of the political spectrum.

Together, critics from both sides of the aisle can overcome mainstream caution. The antiwar movement doesn't need the editorial page of the New York Times if it has an alliance with conservative members of Congress and their constituents. William Buckley and Pat Buchanan are against this war, along with a silent minority in the armed forces. New converts include representatives like Walter Jones (R-N.C.), who once called for re-naming the French fry the "freedom fry." Having become deeply disturbed by the funerals in his district, Jones has decided to co-author with Democrats a bill calling for a 2006 withdrawal timetable.

The left-right alliance demonstrated its potential at least briefly in June, when the library protection amendment to the Patriot Act passed with 38 Republican votes, causing a White House strategist to warn of "crazies on the left and crazies on the right meeting in the middle." The rebellion was quelled, but the restless majority is still there, undermining the pillar of the center.

Recruitment Hits the Wall

The previous generation of the antiwar movement forced an end to the draft. That generation has become the parents of today's youth, a fact that deeply upsets a Pentagon trying to erase the "Vietnam syndrome." "The Pentagon is especially vexed by a generation of more activist parents who have no qualms about projecting their own qualms onto their children," reports The New York Times.

The recruitment crisis is connected to the morale crisis on the battlefield itself. Six thousand American soldiers are AWOL, including 37 military recruiters.

Bush doesn't have the political capacity to reinstate the draft because that would dramatically broaden the antiwar movement. Nor does he have the political touch to convince hundreds of thousands of military families that their sons and daughters should fight a dubious battle because of a back-door draft. The military itself is his weakest pillar.

The Disappearing Coalition

The number of coalition members with actual troops on the ground has declined already from 34 to approximately 20 nations. Even Ukraine, after taking millions from the United States for its recent elections, has begun withdrawing its 150 soldiers. The United States' staunchest allies, the United Kingdom and Italy, are reeling from massive political pressure for troop pullouts. Britain is down from an original 40,000 troop commitment to approximately 8,500 today.

Second to the United States in troop commitments of 138,000 are the 20,000 stateless mercenaries recruited from repressive armies in places like Colombia, El Salvador and South Africa, paid by American taxpayers but exempt from even the minimum controls applied to national armies.

This pillar of international alliances is nearly gone. By next year, it is likely that the American troops will bear the sole burden of the war, an experience in unilateralism that will only deepen soldiers' questioning.

Iraq as Focal Point

One by one, the pillars supporting the War in Iraq are toppling. We have all become prisoners, indefinitely detained by a war that was supposed to be swift and cheap.

This doesn't necessarily mean the war will end. It does mean that the administration, in order to placate voters and buy time in the coming election year, is likely to defuse the rising opposition with partial withdrawals and grudging talks. But the administration's main goal appears to be to reduce the war's presence in our lives, to go "off camera, so to speak," as the neoconservative Robert Kaplan advises. This is the Vietnam strategy that was pursued by the current generation of Republicans in their formative years, when the likes of John Negroponte served under Henry Kissinger. It is pursued today in Afghanistan and Colombia, wars with a minimal number of American casualties that are too expensive -- too boring perhaps -- for the corporate media to cover.

Iraq is the great exception, the war that can't be switched off the television. It stands to be the illuminating experience for this generation, the classroom in which the lessons of war, empire and the costs at home will be learned or not.

The way is open for the peace movement -- and politicians in the Democratic Party if they choose -- to offer an exit strategy and an alternative vision of America's needs to a majority of Americans. Just as the end of the Vietnam war led the way, at least for a decade, for movements supporting human rights, alternative energy development, and open and democratic government, so we are approaching the time when progressives can offer real alternatives to a new generation of Americans disillusioned by needless deaths in the service of official lies.

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Tom Hayden was a leading opponent of the Vietnam War. He was indicted, tried and finally acquitted on charges of conspiracy to riot during the 1968 Democratic Convention. Hayden later served 18 years in the California legislature. He is the author of 12 books and currently teaches at Pitzer College in Los Angeles.

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Yeah this is just like viet -nam
Posted by: flatulence6 on Aug 25, 2005 1:53 AM   
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The media is doing everything it can to demoralize Americans on the war. They are trying to change the focus of their anger from the terrorists to the administration, and the patriotic soldiers that defend our freedom. It wont work. Americans are far too smart to be suckered in by this propaganda.
The terrorists have not done well in Iraq and Afghanistan, but theyve done extremely well in bringing American liberals to their cause.
In your search for that elusive pulitzer, you the author take the cowardly way out , and write anti-war, protest stories.
You people disgust me. It certainly didnt take you long to forget about 9-11 or the innocent people who were murdered there did it? Oh but they are not important, after all, they dont further your political agenda do they?
If you are not man enough to take up arms and defend your country, then how about keeping your mouth shut and let real men and women do their jobs.
You people think you are morally superior to conservatives.
You wont be happy until your political-correctness policies get some people killed.
Oh let me address some of the tired arguments Im going to get from liberals.
1 Iraq was involved with terrorists. the 25000 dollar payouts to suicide bomber families, and the capture of Abdul Abbas( the mastermind of the Achille Lauro attack) in Iraq are direct proof.
2 This war is not helping to breed terrorists. Its killing them in Droves. We are winning.
3 2000 soldiers dead is a light count compared to any other war. So your idiotic body count that you gleefully advertise on liberal media stations accomplishes nothing except making you look stupid. And if people are that gung-ho on showing their ignorance, who am i to stand in the way?
You liberals will pay for your protesting in the 2006 and 2008 elections. Good day

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Can the Dems really pull this off?
Posted by: Just Some Dude on Aug 25, 2005 2:07 AM   
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I don't know about the rest of you, but I am doubtful they will do anything. They may initiate something, but once the right's gloves come off they will cower back into their offices. I hope I am wrong though.

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This isn't Vietnam
Posted by: InvisiblePimpernil on Aug 25, 2005 3:34 AM   
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And the Democrats know it.

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» Why this isn't Vietnam Posted by: Lilah
Barbara
Posted by: Barbara on Aug 25, 2005 4:21 AM   
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Oh Smelly and ignorant one. Are you still here? I thought you would have left for Iraq by now. You really are one ignorant sone of a bitch, arn't you. It's a shame that you dont get off your couch, where you watch Government and Oil corporation news, and find out what is really happening in the world.
You truely are one of life's dim-wits, and should be locked up in a mental institution. Your just crazzzzzzy .

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Oh, Love Those Commies.
Posted by: katia on Aug 25, 2005 6:24 AM   
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Does anyone remember the good old Reagan days? When the United States was selling millions of dollars in weapons, namely arms, bombs, and various other murdering machines to the Afghan government in turn for its "helping us," the US, fight our arrogant battle against dreaded communism, the former USSR. And if you remember this, do you also recall how swiftly and of course ignorantly we feld like wildfire when our US interests had been served, leaving Afghanistan utterly impoverished, without the help that the administration had promised Afghanistan, leave only the massive amount of arms that we had just sold them? Then, after we broke our many promises to Afghanistan, and the people were rightfully enraged,
we found that those very weapons sold under our explicit instruction armed the very Taliban that we all have come to appreciate today? Fastforward to 2003, we go and occupy Iraq, and this is of course logical (because we all know that it was the Iraqis who bombed the WTC, (grin)). Then we watch on televeision as we secure Iraqi oil fields while the civilians there are starving, with no electricity, water or even often their own lives because of our bombing of civilian targets, that's right I said civilian, all the while right wing wack job "Christian" evangelists are yelling from the rooftops that this is the honest, just and right thing to do?; That we are in Iraq to "restore freedom." Preposterous. We, the US, are occupying Iraq for one reason and one reason alone:OIL. If you are living in some bubble and think that we would have come anywhere near Iraq if we did not have billions of dollars invested in their petrol, then you are blind. But we had to save the world from Saddam you say!!!! More igorance. Fascist dictators are everywhere. Using this rationale, why don't we invade North Korea and "save and democratize" all those poor people. Or how about Cuba, Sudan, Venezuela, China? Simple: they ain't got no oil...OIL OIL OIL OIL

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Even IF
Posted by: nakis on Aug 25, 2005 6:25 AM   
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this debacle ends in the best possible way. All our troops come home today. Iraq has a completely democratic constitution signed this morning, suddenly and miraculously all the terrorists/fundamentalists have a change of heart and embrace peace including the neocon terrorists, we still have lost. We still will have to bare the shame of having started a preemptive war that killed well over a hundred thousand people. We still have engaged in a policy that protected oil over people. Resources over culture. Profits over the human condition. We still have engaged in pre-emptive war. Something that was supposed to be the shame of other nations. Not America. Not the beautiful nation that is supposed to be the epitome of supporting life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

We have engaged in war. We have denegrated ourselves. From the first shot we had already lost.

Reading this article only gives me a small fraction of hope for my nation. But looming ever larger is that even if we fix this situation that is entirely unfixable, we are still soiled. We didn't take action on behalf of life and the respect for life and the One who created it. We devestated (repeatedly) a nation, an ancient people, and we are lesser for it.

For those in the pro-war mentality, stop and learn about what is really being fought for. Learn about the Bushes, Clintons, Rumsfield, Lays, Delays, Gates, etc... . You're not fighting for a cause, you're fighting for a profit and are damaging America on the way. Greatness is not created on blood soaked bodies. Greatness is created upon increasing the state of the human condition. That has never been accomplished by warring. Nor will it ever be.
Please learn from history. Please learn about the power that you think you are supporting.

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These mujahideen were significantly financed, armed, and trained by the United States
Posted by: SIR on Aug 25, 2005 6:54 AM   
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Right from the beginning of human civilization, “power” has had been playing vital role in the formation of a tribe, society or a country. The lust to gain more power has been the hallmark of modern political history too. Country needs to have power in order to counter the greater power “Dracula” and that merciless process goes on and on. Conflicting geo-political demands and geo-strategic compulsions use to force countries to search a “Safe Heaven” on earth. In the game of power principles have no meaning and matter of “Survival” dictates the songs of democracy, human rights, justice, global brotherhood, and the last not the least international peace. It is bitter reality that power does justify all the ill intentions and wrong doings of a power-holder. Iran are becoming closer and closer not merely to boast their respective economies but to counter the predominance military existence of USA in the region.
The 'shooting' war is generally held to have started December 24, 1979. Soviet troops ultimately withdrew from the area between May 15, 1988 and February 2, 1989. The Soviet Union officially announced that all of its troops had left Afghanistan on February 15.
The war was regarded by many as an unprovoked invasion of a sovereign country by another. The United Nations General Assembly passed United Nations Resolution 37/37 on November 29, 1983, which stated that the Soviet Union forces should withdraw from Afghanistan. However, others supported the Soviet Union, regarding it as coming to the rescue of an impoverished ally, or as a pre-emptive war against Islamist terrorists. The CIA invested US$2.1 billion over a 10-year period to assist the anti-Soviet resistance. Afghan Mujahideen
The most well-known, and feared, mujahideen were the various loosely-aligned opposition groups that fought against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan between 1979 and 1989, and then fought against each other in the following civil war. These mujahideen were significantly financed, armed, and trained by the United States (under the presidencies of Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan), Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and China.[1] Reagan referred to these mujahideen as "freedom fighters ... defending principles of independence and freedom that form the basis of global security and stability."

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We are losing innocent lives for the cause of powere.
Posted by: SIR on Aug 25, 2005 6:56 AM   
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Now USA fighting the same people they trained and nobody wants to talk about it. Now USA invading Iraq and Afghanistan. This war is not going to do anything against terrorism, only our American children will loose fathers and our mothers will cry on the cemetery about their children like I cried about my father and my friends. We are losing innocent lives for the cause of powere.
Alex.

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they dye for politics who’s politics not ours
Posted by: SIR on Aug 25, 2005 6:58 AM   
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I am 24 a veteran of Russian military Special Forces ( Almaz ) spent 2 years on the front line operation in Chechen war. My father died in 1988 during the war in Afghanistan and Soviet Union. I came across this site and I would like to tell all of you something. Yong solgers 19-25 dying for nothing right now I saw my friends dying every single day and American young guys are dying for nothing, they dye for politics who’s politics not ours.

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» Charity begins at home Posted by: RayP
Hold Congress Accountable
Posted by: antiapathy on Aug 25, 2005 7:12 AM   
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We need to send a message to Congress. Tell them we need to bring our troops home immediately. We need someone to get an exit strategy bill on the floor as soon as possible, and to let Congress know that anyone who votes against it will not be re-elected. Ever. To any office.
This is something we can get Republicans (like Walter Jones) behind. At this point I would be willing to vote for an anti-war conservative over a Democrat who is unwilling to stand up for the lives and safety of our troops, not to mention all of the Iraqi civillians who are caught in the crossfire.

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SICK of people "waiting" for a strategy
Posted by: nanobubble on Aug 25, 2005 7:53 AM   
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when there was one already proposed which was sensible and effective. But surprise, websites like Alternet didn't touch upon it, and the main-stream media stifled it, and republicans hate it because they're too busy covering up Bush's corporate embezzlement and profiteering in Iraq.

US-out, UN-in, in 90 days, by Dennis Kucinich. This article at least mentions him by name, since he proposed a new resoltuion on June 8th 2005 which sought an exit date.

I find it ridiculous that articles like this chide the supposed inaction of lawmakers who are actually trying to propose and pass laws doing exactly what the article calls for. It is a sign of poor journalism or plain ignorance - I can't yet figure out which.

Dennis Kucinich was among the democratic candidates for president in the 2004 national election. He is the only candidate who had a concrete plan for ending the occupation of Iraq "US OUT UN IN, IN 90 DAYS" which he announced in *2003* nearly two years ago.

http://www.commondreams.org /news2003/0722-05.htm

And look, low and behold, he is introducing such legislation again because fortunately he is still a senator in America

BILL TO BRING TROOPS HOME FROM IRAQ DUE TO BE INTRODUCED ON JUNE 8

On June 8, Dennis will introduce the Homeward Bound Act, the bill he and Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D-HI) have been preparing to set a date certain for ending the occupation of Iraq. Watch www.kucinich.us for details.

The door might be swinging open, but it's not empty. People might be "waking up" and noticing the lies and death at their doorstep, but that doesn't mean that intelligent and knowledgable people haven't already tried to end the conflict. Not everyone is "waking up" because some people have been awake and pissed off the whole time.

So how about a big "fuck you" to people who sit around having come around to knowing the war is a sham and should end immediately and write articles suggesting there should be something done about it.

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How about a real Iraq solution
Posted by: veive on Aug 25, 2005 10:28 AM   
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Here's a solution that's guaranteed to work.

Step 1: Immediately begin impeachment proceedings against Bush/Cheney. This step will demonstrate our serious will to change the idiotic course America has been on since March 2003.

Step 2: Admit to the world that we made a few mistakes when we dropped our hot pursuit of Osama in order to go after an easier target namely, Saddam Hussein, by starting an unprovoked war in his nation. The American people amplified these problems by re-electing the problems’ cause, ie, he who has the initials GWB.

Step 3: Go to the UN, on bended knee if necessary, and ask that body to take over the repair of Iraq. We will promise to act as a team player in the repair effort instead of trying to hog it all and bollix things up again.

Step 4: Since we broke Iraq it behooves us to bear the lion’s share of the repair costs. We will send lots of money and make sure the funds are put to good use by preventing Halliburton’s participation.

This four-step program should bring an end to Bush’s Iraqi Boondoggle. We can then resume the hunt for those who attacked us on 9/11/01.

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We Won't be Fooled Again -- Uh, yes we will.
Posted by: aswgt@ix.netcom.com on Aug 25, 2005 11:09 AM   
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Here's the thing:

Last time around: LBJ (... how many Kids did you kill today) was driven out of office. Nixon was the Peace Candidate. The FBI was reigned in. The Draft was abolished. And then Nixon too was booted out. You'd think the Millenium was coming.

Well, it came. And went. And here we are. Quagmired again. ( for oldtime Disney fans "Tar Babied" might be a more vivid image.)

OK so in 2008, one of two things will be true. George Bush will leave office having ended the war one way or another. Hooray! Victory. Vote Republican.

Or he will leave office NOT having ended the war. (It will be the fault of Gay Democrat Peacenik October Criminals.) Then we'll need a firmly steadfast Republican not afraid to stay the course, win the war and fight terror everywhere ... well, everywhere there's oil or some other useful commodity.

In either case, the Bush-Cheny Imperium becomes "old news" -- and under the Bush-Murdock Concordat of 2001, "old news" may not be discussed during a political campaign.

Of course, 'empty speculation' is also banned under the Roswell Treaty of 1952.

And a binding Fatwa against 'biased mainstream media reporting' can be expected by January 2006.

So, once again -- based on careful consideration of the issues presented to us -- we'll pick the most telegenic possible Leader of the (formerly) Free World.

I'm thinking "Mel Gibson. "

Y'all read it here first !

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The Bushwhacker proves . . .
Posted by: ConnecttheDots on Aug 25, 2005 12:51 PM   
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The Bushwhacker proves, once again, that before one has the dim-witted audacity to grab a tiger by its tail, one should first have a clearly defined strategy for letting go.

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The Iraq Plan, World War III
Posted by: pjrsullivan on Aug 25, 2005 1:41 PM   
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The big plan is to terrorize Americans into supporting an attack upon Iran. Then the groundwork will be inplace to begin a nuclear war, and exterminate the mass of the human population.

This has been the plan all along, since April of 1947. This is why "The Politics of Extraterrestrials is kept a secret.

When everyone wakes up to the reality of it, we won't be discussing if it is OK to kill the people of Iraq, we will then address the issue of the death of most Americans, not the good Americans of course, they have plans to go into the shelters while we are destroyed by thermonuclear weapons.

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» RE: Quagmire 1 Vs Quag 2 Posted by: The Butcher
Willing to Listen
Posted by: Tony Zaragoza on Aug 29, 2005 2:14 PM   
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Hi, I had a question for you. Could you explain what you mean when you say soldiers "defend our freedom." I guess my fear is that such terms don't make a lot of sense across differences when we have different understandings of how freedom is defended, what freedom is, and what threat Iraq posed to such freedom and when we have different knowledges about the history of this phrase and the things that our military has done while being supported using such phrases.

And please do me and others here the favor of avoiding easy and empty blanket labels, such as "you liberals." Just doesn't do much for dialogue, which is what I'm seeking by writing you. And besides I'm making an effort to encourage the family values my mother tried to teach me . . . in this case "don't call people names."

Thanks.

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See you on September 24
Posted by: bulbman on Aug 31, 2005 3:33 AM   
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And that is why we all need to make a showing in Washington that the media mooks can't ignore.

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Clinton Lied But Nobody Died...We are in "Iraq-Nam"
Posted by: archienc on Aug 31, 2005 2:29 PM   
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Saw a bumper sticker today. It said: "Clinton Lied But Nobody Died." How true! We hear each day on the news how many of our kids have died fighting the "Iraq-Nam" war.

Just got back from our local Vets Hospital where I volunteer. No one could believe how many of our kids are sitting and waiting in hallways with missing arms or legs or eyes etc. etc. etc. We don't hear about them...just the kids who have died (and may be the lucky ones in this insane campaign) Bush has made the same mistake as LBJ...fighting a war that cannot be won. We CANNOT and MUST NOT try to colonize the world. Bush lied to us about going into Iraq, and almost 2000 kids have died as a result...not to mention the thousands who are among the "living dead." He continues to lie. Ask ANY service man or woman (off the record) whether or not he/she thinks we should be there and they will tell you "NO" emphatically. Of course, they MUST maintain the "party line" and say "we are doing good."

The draft WILL come back. I am already telling my young grandchildren before I die, to leave for Canada. If a country like Japan did so long ago, or ANY country attacks us, I believe we should rise up and fight back. Iraq-Nam did nothing to us...absolutely NOTHING! We attack a nation with a two-thousand year history and expect it to become a democracy. What idiotic person thought of that? George Bush did and so did Rome when THEY thought they could "colonize" the world...and Bush lied to us to get us there. NO WMD at all. Gee Whiz. I wonder what he was thinking?

I was VERY naive when Viet Nam was being fought. Many of my friends got killed or mamed there. I thought the government was "believable" then...how wrong I NOW know I was. With all of our collective strength and sinew, I URGE all of us to get us OUT of Iraq-Nam. No more of our gifted and talented young people should be subjected to an idiotic president and idiotic war!!

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» RE: YEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS Posted by: The Butcher
When are the many going to fight the war on extortion?
Posted by: ideologue on Sep 8, 2005 12:01 PM   
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We live in a body consuming biosphere divided by a primal conflict between predator and prey. A mercenary plutocratic predatory few prey upon the many of our global culture. By both terrorizing the many and offering protection, a mercenary plutocratic predatory few profit from a global shakedown of epic proportions some call a war on terror. Plutocracy has traditionally maintained power through this kind of extortion! When are the many going to recognize the connection between plutocracy and terror? When are the many going to fight the war on extortion?

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