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Cindy, Don, and George

By Tom Engelhardt, Tomdispatch.com. Posted August 15, 2005.


Cindy Sheehan's blunt, take-no-prisoners approach has been remarkably successful and may even spark the Iraq War's first 'tipping point.'
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Retired four-star Army General Barry McCaffrey to Time Magazine: "The Army's wheels are going to come off in the next 24 months. We are now in a period of considerable strategic peril. It's because Rumsfeld has dug in his heels and said, I cannot retreat from my position."

Cindy Sheehan testifying at Rep. John Conyers public hearings on the Downing Street Memo:

"My son, Spc Casey Austin Sheehan, was KIA in Sadr City Baghdad on 04/04/04. He was in Iraq for only 2 weeks before [Coalition Provisional Authority head] L. Paul Bremer inflamed the Shi'ite Militia into a rebellion which resulted in the deaths of Casey and 6 other brave soldiers who were tragically killed in an ambush. Bill Mitchell, the father of Sgt. Mike Mitchell who was one of the other soldiers killed that awful day is with us here. This is a picture of Casey when he was 7 months old. It's an enlargement of a picture he carried in his wallet until the day he was killed. He loved this picture of himself. It was returned to us with his personal effects from Iraq. He always sucked on those two fingers. When he was born, he had a flat face from passing through the birth canal and we called him 'Edward G' short for Edward G. Robinson. How many of you have seen your child in his/her premature coffin? It is a shocking and very painful sight. The most heartbreaking aspect of seeing Casey lying in his casket for me, was that his face was flat again because he had no muscle tone. He looked like he did when he was a baby laying in his bassinette. The most tragic irony is that if the Downing Street Memo proves to be true, Casey and thousands of people should still be alive."
Donald Rumsfeld testifying before the House Armed Services Committee in March, 2005: "The world has seen, in the last 3 1/2 years, the capability of the United States of America to go into Afghanistan ... and with 20,000, 15,000 troops working with the Afghans do what 200,000 Soviets couldn't do in a decade. They've seen the United States and the coalition forces go into Iraq ...That has to have a deterrent effect on people." (Ann Scott Tyson, "U.S. Gaining World's Respect From Wars, Rumsfeld Asserts," the Washington Post, March 11, 2005)

George Bush on arriving for a meeting with families of the bereaved, including Cindy Sheehan and her husband on June 17, 2004: "So who are we honoring here?"

A teaser at the "Careers and Jobs" screen of GoArmy.com: "Want an extra $400 a month?" Click on it and part of what comes up is: "Qualified active Army recruits may be eligible for AIP [Assignment Incentive Pay] of $400 per month, up to 36 months for a total of up to $14,400, if they agree to be assigned to an Army-designated priority unit with a critical role in current global commitments."

Who is in that ditch?

Casey Sheehan had one of those small "critical roles" in the "current global commitment" in Iraq that, in Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's words, "has to have a deterrent effect on people." As it happens, Sheehan was one of the unexpectedly deterred and now, along with 1,846 other American soldiers, is interred, leaving his take-no-prisoners mother Cindy -- a one-person anti-war movement -- with a critical role to play in awakening Americans to the horrors, and dangers, of the Bush administration's "current global commitments."

Over the last two years, administration officials, civilian and military, have never ceased to talk about "turning corners" or reaching "tipping points" and achieving "milestones" in the Iraq-War-that-won't-end. Now it seems possible that Cindy Sheehan in a spontaneous act of opposition -- her decision to head for Crawford, Texas, to face down a vacationing President and demand an explanation for her son's death -- may produce the first real American tipping point of the Iraq War.

As a million news articles and TV reports have informed us, she was stopped about 5 miles short of her target, the Presidential "ranch" in Crawford, and found herself unceremoniously consigned to a ditch at the side of a Texas road, camping out. And yet somehow, powerless except for her story, she has managed to take the President of the United States hostage and turned his Crawford refuge into the American equivalent of Baghdad's Green Zone. She has mysteriously transformed August's news into a question of whether, on his way to meet Republican donors, the President will helicopter over her encampment or drive past (as he, in fact, did) in a tinted-windowed black Chevrolet SUV.

Faced with the power of the Bush political and media machine, Cindy Sheehan has engaged in an extreme version of asymmetrical warfare and, in her person, in her story, in her version of "the costs of war," she has also managed to catch many of the tensions of our present moment. What she has exposed in the process is the growing weakness and confusion of the Bush administration. At this moment, it remains an open question who, in the end, will be found in that ditch at the side of a Texas road, her -- or the President of the United States.

Confusion in the ranks

Ellen Knickmeyer of the Washington Post reported last week that "a U.S. general said... the violence would likely escalate as the deadline approached for drafting a constitution for Iraq." For two years now, this has been a dime-a-dozen prediction from American officials trying to cover their future butts. For the phrase "drafting a constitution" in that general's quote, you need only substitute "after the killing of Saddam Hussein's sons" (July 2003), "for handing over sovereignty" (June 2004), "for voting for a new Iraqi government" (Jan. 2005) -- or, looking ahead, "for voting on the constitution" (October, 2005) and, yet again, "for voting for a new Iraqi government" (December 2005), just as you will be able to substitute as yet unknown similar "milestones" that won't turn out to be milestones as long as our President insists that we must "stay the course" in Iraq as he did only recently as his Crawford vacation began.

After each "spike of violence," at each "tipping point," each time a "corner is turned," Bush officials or top commanders predict that they have the insurgency under control only to be ambushed by yet another "spike" in violence. This May, for example, more than three months after violence was supposed to have spiked and receded in the wake of the Iraqi election, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Gen. Richard Myers offered a new explanation -- the "recent spike in violence... represents an attempt to discredit the new Iraqi government and cabinet." When brief lulls in insurgent attacks (which often represent changes in tactics) aren't being declared proof that the Iraqi insurgency is faltering/failing/coming under control, then the spikes are being claimed as "the last gasp" of the insurgency, proof of the impending success of Bush administration policies -- those "last throes" that Vice President Cheney so notoriously described to CNN's Wolf Blitzer as June ended.

Recently in a throw-(not throe-)up-your-hands mode, Army Brig. Gen. Karl Horst, deputy commander of the 3rd Infantry Division, which oversees Baghdad, offered the following, taking credit for having predicted the very throe his troops were then engulfed in: "If you look at the past few months, insurgents have not been able to sustain attacks, but they tend to surge every four weeks or so. We are right in the middle of one of those periods and predicted this would come... If they are going to influence the constitution process, they have only a few days left to do it, and we fully expect the attacks to continue."

You would think that someone in an official capacity would conclude, sooner or later, that Iraq was a spike in violence.

It's an accepted truth of our times that the Bush administration has been the most secretive, disciplined, and on-message administration in our history. So what an out-of-control couple of weeks for the President and his pals! His polls were at, or near, historic lows; his Iraq War approval numbers headed for, or dipping below, 40% -- and polls are, after all, the message boards for much of what's left of American democracy. As he was preparing for his record-setting Presidential vacation in Crawford, George and his advisors couldn't even agree on whether we were in a "global struggle with violent extremism" or in a Global War on Terror. (The President finally opted for war.) He was, of course, leaving behind in Washington a Special Counsel, called into being by his administration but now beyond its control, who held a sword of judicial Damocles over key presidential aides (and who can probably parse sinking presidential polls as well as anyone).

Iraq -- you can't leave home without it -- has, of course, been at the heart of everything Bushworld hasn't been able to shake off at least since May 2, 2003. On that day (when, ominously enough, 7 American soldiers were wounded by a grenade attack in Fallujah), our President co-piloted a jet onto the USS Abraham Lincoln, an aircraft carrier halted off the San Diego coast (lest it dock and he only be able to walk on board). All togged out in a military uniform, he declared "major combat operations" at an end, while standing under a White House-produced banner reading "mission accomplished." Ever since then, George has been on that mission (un)accomplished and Iraq has proved nothing if not a black hole, sucking in his administration and the American military along with neocon dreams and plans of every ambitious sort.

The Iraqi insurgency that should never have happened, or should at least have died down after unknown thousands of its foot soldiers were killed or imprisoned by the American military, inconveniently managed to turn the early days of August into a killing zone for American soldiers. Sixteen Marine Reservists from a single unit in Ohio were killed in a couple of days; 7 soldiers from the Pennsylvania National Guard were killed, again in a few days. Thirty-seven Americans were reported to have died in Iraq in the first 11 days of the presidential vacation, putting American casualties at the top of the TV news night after night. And yet the administration has seemed capable only of standing by helplessly, refusing to give an inch on the "compassion" President's decision -- he and his advisors are still navigating by the anti-Vietnam playbook -- not to visit grief-stricken communities in either Ohio or Pennsylvania, or ever to be caught attending the funeral of one of the boys or girls he sent abroad to die. He did manage, however, to fly to the Sandia National Laboratories in New Mexico to sign the energy bill and also left his ranch to hobnob with millionaire Republican donors.

In this same period, cracks in relations between an increasingly angry military command in Iraq and administration officials back in Washington began to appear for all to see. The issue, for desperate military officers, was - as for Cindy Sheehan -- how in the world to get our troops out of Iraq before the all-volunteer military went over an Iraqi cliff, wheels and all.

As July ended, our top general in Iraq, George W. Casey, announced (with many conditional "ifs") that we should be able to start drawing-down American troops significantly by the following spring -- that tens of thousands of them were likely to leave then and tens of thousands more by the end of 2006, and Don Rumsfeld initially backed him up somewhat edgily. Then, as Rumsfeld hedged, more military people jumped into the media fray with leaks and comments of all sorts about possible Iraqi drawdowns and there was a sudden squall of front-page articles on withdrawal strategies for a hard-pressed administration in an increasingly unpopular war. At the same time, confusingly, reports began to surface indicating that, because of another of those prospective "spikes" in violence, the administration would actually be increasing American troop strength in Iraq before the December elections by 10,000-20,000 soldiers.

Finally, after a war council of the Rumsfeld and Rice (Pentagon and State Department) "teams" in Crawford last week, the President held a press conference (devoted in part to responding to Cindy Sheehan) and promptly launched a new, ad-style near-jingle to explain the withdrawal moment to the American people: "As Iraqis stand up," he intoned, "we will stand down."

But in a week in which the American general in command of transportation in Iraq announced that roadside bomb attacks against his convoys had doubled over the past year, such words sounded empty -- especially as news flowed in suggesting that, while the insurgents continued to fight fiercely, the new Iraqi military seemed in no rush whatsoever to "stand up" and that our own commanders believed it might never do so in significant numbers. At his news conference, our never-never-land President nonetheless spoke several times of being pleased to announce "progress" in Iraq. ("And we're making progress training the Iraqis. Oh, I know it's hard for some Americans to see that progress, but we are making progress.")

He spoke as well of attempts to ease the burden on the no-longer-weekend warriors of the National Guard and the Reserves (who are taking unprecedented casualties in August). He said: "We've also taken steps to improve the call-up process for our Guard and for our Reserves. We've provided them with earlier notifications. We've given them greater certainty about the length of their tours. We minimized the number of extensions and repeat mobilizations." Unfortunately, at just this moment, Joint Chiefs head Myers was speaking of the possibility of calling soldiers back for their third tours of duty in Iraq: "There's the possibility of people going back for a third term, sure. That's always out there. We are at war."

"Pulling the troops out would send a terrible signal to the enemy," the President insisted as he turned to the matter of withdrawal in his news conference. He then dismissed drawdown maneuvers as "speculation and rumors"; and, on being confronted by a reporter with the statements of his own military men, added, "I suspect what you were hearing was speculation based upon progress that some are seeing in Iraq as to whether or not the Iraqis will be able to take the fight to the enemy."

While that may sound vague, it was, nonetheless, the sound of a President (who, along with his Secretary of Defense, has always promised to abide by whatever his generals in the field wanted) disputing those commanders in public. Gen. Casey was also reportedly "rebuked" in private for his withdrawal comments. Our commanders in Iraq are, of course, the official realists in this war, having long ago given up on the idea that the insurgency could ever be defeated by force of U.S. arms and worrying as they do about those "wheels coming off" the American military machine.

In fact, the Bush administration's occupation of Iraq -- as Howard Zinn put the matter recently, "[W]e liberated Iraq from Saddam Hussein, but not from us." -- is threatening to prove one of the great asymmetric catastrophes in recent military history. A rag-tag bunch of insurgents, now estimated in the tens of thousands, using garage-door openers and cell phones to set off roadside bombs and egg-timers to fire mortars at U.S. bases (lest they be around when the return fire comes in), have fought the U.S. military to at least a draw. We're talking about a military that, not so long ago, was being touted as the most powerful force not just on this planet at this moment but on any planet in all of galactic history.

Previously, such rumors of withdrawal followed by a quiet hike in troop strength in Iraq might have been simply another clever administration attempt to manipulate the public and have it both ways. At the moment, however, they seem to be a sign not of manipulation but of confusion, discord, and uncertainty about what to do next. If the public was left confused by such "conflicting signals" about an Iraqi withdrawal, wrote Peter Baker of the Washington Post, "it may be no more unsure than the administration itself, as some government officials involved in Iraq policy privately acknowledge." An unnamed "military officer in Washington" typically commented to Anne E. Kornblut of the New York Times, "We need to stick to one message. This vacillation creates confusion for the American public."

Even administration officials are now evidently "significantly lowering expectations" and thinking about how exactly to jump off the sinking Iraqi ship. The President, beseeching "the public to stick with his strategy despite continuing mayhem on the ground," is, Baker commented, "trying to buy time." But buy time for what? This is the question that has essentially paralyzed George Bush's top officials as they face a world suddenly not in their control.

Cindy and the media

And then, if matters weren't bad enough, there was Cindy Sheehan. She drove to Crawford with a few supporters in a caravan of perhaps a dozen vehicles and an old red, white, and blue bus with the blunt phrase, "Impeachment Tour," written on it. She carried with her a tent, a sleeping bag, some clothes, and evidently not much else. She parked at the side of the road and camped out -- and the next thing anyone knew, she had forced the President to send out not the Secret Service or some minor bureaucrat, but two of his top men, National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley and Deputy Chief of Staff Joe Hagin. For forty-five minutes, they met and negotiated with her, the way you might with a recalcitrant foreign head of state. Rather than being flattered and giving ground, she just sent them back, insisting that she would wait where she was to get the President's explanation for her son's death. ("They said they'd pass on my concerns to George Bush. I said, 'Fine, but I'm not talking to anybody else but him.'")

So there she was, as people inspired by her began to gather -- the hardy women of Code Pink; other parents whose children had died in Iraq; a former State Department official who had resigned her post to protest the onrushing Iraq War; "a political consultant and a team of public relations professionals"; antiwar protestors of all sorts; and, of course, the media. Quite capable of reading administration weakness in the polls, trapped in no-news Crawford with a President always determined to offer them less than nothing, hardened by an administration whose objective for any media not its own was only "rollback," and sympathetic to a grieving mother from Bush's war, reporters found themselves with an irresistible story at a moment when they could actually run with it.

Literally hundreds of news articles -- almost every one a sympathetic profile of the distraught mother and her altar-boy, Eagle-Scout dead son -- poured out; while Sheehan was suddenly on the morning TV shows and the nightly news, where a stop-off at "Camp Casey" or the "Crawford Peace House" was suddenly de rigueur. And the next thing you knew, there was the President at his news conference forced to flinch a second time and, though Sheehan was clobbering him, offer "sympathy" to a grieving mother at the side of the road five miles away whom he wasn't about to invite in, even for a simple meeting, but who just wouldn't leave. ("And so, you know, listen, I sympathize with Mrs. Sheehan. She feels strongly about her -- about her position. And I am -- she has every right in the world to say what she believes. This is America. She has a right to her position...")

Talk about asymmetric warfare. One woman against the massed and proven might of the Bush political machine and its major media allies (plus assorted bloggers) and though some of them started whacking away immediately, Cindy Sheehan remained unfazed. After all, she had been toiling in the wilderness and this was her moment. Whatever the right-wing press did, she could take it -- and, of course, the mainstream media had for the time being decided to fall in love with her. After all, she was perfect. American reporters love a one-on-one, "showdown" situation without much context, a face-to-face shoot-out at the OK Corral. (Remember those endless weeks on TV labeled "Showdown with Saddam"?) In addition, they were -- let's be honest -- undoubtedly angry after the five-year-long pacification campaign the administration had waged against them.

But they had their own ideas about who exactly Cindy Sheehan should be to win over America. They would paint a strikingly consistent, quite moving, but not completely accurate picture of her. They would attempt to tame her by shearing away her language, not just the profanity for which she was known, but the very fierceness of her words. She had no hesitation about calling the President "an evil maniac," "a lying bastard," or the administration "those lying bastards," "chickenhawks," "warmongers," "shameful cowards," and "war criminals." She called for the President's "impeachment," for the jailing of the whole top layer of the administration (no pardons). She called for American troops to be pulled out of Iraq now. And most of this largely disappeared from a much-softened media portrait of a grieving antiwar mother.

And yet Sheehan herself seems unfazed by the media circus and image-shaping going on around her. In a world where horrors are referred to euphemistically, or limned in politely, or artfully ignored, she does something quite rare -- she calls things by their names as she sees them. She is as blunt and impolite in her mission as the media is circumspect and polite in its job, as most of the opposition to George Bush is in its "opposition." And it was her very bluntness, her ability to shock by calling things by their actual names, by acting as she saw fit, that let her break through and that may help turn a set of unhappy public opinion polls into a full-scale antiwar movement.

What will happen next? Will the President actually attend a funeral? Will Cindy Sheehan force him from his Green-Zone world? Suddenly, almost anything seems possible.

However the media deals with her, she embodies every bind the administration is in. As with Iraq (as well as Iran), the administration can't either make its will felt or sweep her off the landscape. Bush and his officials blinked at a moment when they would certainly have liked to whack her, fearing the power of the mother of a dead son from their war. And then, completely uncharacteristically, they vacillated and flip-flopped. They ignored her, then negotiated. They sent out their attack dogs to flail at her, then expressed sympathy. Officials, who have always known what to do before, had no idea what to do with Cindy Sheehan. The most powerful people in the world, they surely feel trapped and helpless. Somehow, she's taken that magical presidential something out of George and cut him down to size. It's been a remarkable performance so far.

The tipping point?

Casey Sheehan died on April 4, 2004, soon after he arrived for his tour of duty in Iraq. His mother had never wanted him to go to a war that was "wrong," a place where he might have to "kill innocent people" and where he might die. ("I begged him not to go. I said, 'I'll take you to Canada'... but he said, 'Mom, I have to go. It's my duty. My buddies are going.'") In her grief -- always beyond imagining for those of us who have not lost a child -- this woman found her calling, one that she would never have wanted and that no one would have ever wished on her.

For more than a year, having set up a small organization, Gold Star Families for Peace, she traveled the country insisting that the President explain, but in relative obscurity -- except on the Internet, that place where so much gestates which later bursts into our mainstream world and where today, at Technorati.com which monitors usage on blogs, her name is the most frequently searched for of all. As she has said, "If we didn't have the Internet, none of us would really know what was truly going on. This is something that can't be ignored."

In March, she appeared -- thanks to prescient editors -- on the cover of the Nation magazine for an article, The New Face of Protest?, on the developing military, and military-family inspired, antiwar movement. She was giving a speech at the Veterans for Peace national convention in Dallas when she evidently decided that she had to head for Crawford and the rest you know.

As our President likes to speak about "our mission" in Iraq and "our mission of defeating terrorists" in the world, so Cindy Sheehan has found herself on a mission. Our President speaks resolutely of "staying the course" in Iraq. That's exactly what Cindy Sheehan is planning to do in Crawford (and undoubtedly beyond). George prides himself on not flinching, giving ground, or ever saying he's sorry. But he also had remarkably good luck until he ran into Cindy. Whether in his presidential runs, in Congress, or elsewhere, he really hasn't come up against an opponent who was ready to dig in and duke it out blow for blow, an opponent ready never to flinch, never to apologize, never to mince words, never to take prisoners. Now he's got one -- and like so many personal demons, she's been called up from the Id of his own war: A mother of one of the dead who demands an explanation, an answer, when no answer he gives will ever conceivably do; a woman who, like his neocon companions, has no hesitation about going for the jugular. And, amazingly, she's already made the man flinch twice.

No matter how the media surrounds her or tries to tame her, the fact is she's torn up the oppositional rule book. She's a woman made in the mold of Iraq War vet Paul Hackett, who ran in a hopelessly Republican congressional district recently. He didn't hesitate to call the President a "chicken hawk" or a "son of a bitch," and to the surprise of all won 48% of the vote doing so, leading Newt Gingrich to say that the race "should serve as a wake-up call to Republicans" for the 2006 elections.

There's a lesson in this. Americans are not, generally speaking, your basic turn-the-other-cheek sorts of folks. They like to know that the people they vote for or support will, at the very least, stand there and whack back, if whacked at. Whatever she may have been before, Cindy Sheehan was beaten into just that shape on the anvil of her son's death. ("I was stunned and dismayed when the United States invaded Iraq. I didn't agree with it. I didn't think it was right, but I never protested until after Casey was killed.") Some of her testimony at the Conyers hearings on the Downing Street Memo catches this spirit and it's well worth quoting:
"There are a few people around the US and a couple of my fellow witnesses who were a little justifiably worried that in my anger and anguish over Casey's premeditated death, I would use some swear words, as I have been known to do on occasion when speaking about the subject. Mr. Conyers, out of my deep respect for you, the other representatives here, my fellow witnesses, and viewers of these historic proceedings, I was able to make it through an entire testimony without using any profanity. However, if anyone deserves to be angry and use profanity, it is I. What happened to Casey and humanity because of the apparent dearth of honesty in our country's leadership is so profane that it defies even my vocabulary skills. We as Americans should be offended more by the profanity of the actions of this administration than by swear words. We have all heard the old adage that actions speak louder than words and for the sake of Casey and our other precious children, please hold someone accountable for their actions and their words of deception."
Last week, the Pentagon relieved a four-star general of his command allegedly because he had an affair, while separated from his wife, with a woman not in the military or the government; and yet not a single top official or high-ranking officer (except for scapegoat Brig. Gen. Janice Karpinski) has suffered for American acts at Abu Ghraib, or murder and torture throughout our imperium, or for torture and abuse at our prison in Guantanamo, or for any of the disasters of Iraq. In such a context, the words "please hold someone accountable" by the mother of a boy killed in Iraq, a woman on a mission who doesn't plan to back down or leave off any time soon -- well, that truly constitutes going directly for the President's political throat. It's mano a mano time, and while I would never underestimate what this administration might do, I wouldn't underestimate the fierce power of an angry mother either. The Bush administration is in trouble in Iraq, in Washington, and in Crawford.

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Tom Engelhardt, editor of Tomdispatch.com, is co-founder of the American Empire Project and author of "The End of Victory Culture."

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My new hero
Posted by: Just Some Dude on Aug 15, 2005 2:03 AM   
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Cindy Sheehan is my new hero. She's calling B.S. on George W. Bush and his pack. My prayers are with her.

I respect her not only for standing up against the administration, but for also standing firm against all the far right who think that if you are against this war in Iraq you are anti American.

Boy and girls on the right, I hate to break it to you but this thing in Iraq is not the War on Terror. It has nothing at all to do with 9/11.

In my book, Cindy is what a true American is all about, she has my greatest respect and my best wishes.

Sooner or later the rest of the country is going to pick up the clue phone and realize that we've been lied to and are still being lied to. This president and his adminsitration has insulted the intelligence of this entire country, and for what? I still can't figure it out.

This war has cost this country many lives, many dollars and has drastically split this country in two. Yea, right, the "great uniter".

And George, I am not buying your compassionate B.S. any more..."Ok so who are we honoring here today"...wtf is that about? You are absolutely heartless and absolutely without a clue. You are honoring a young American man that died for your lies!!! Have some compassion and some class.

I've got to stop here, my blood pressure is getting too high.

Good luck Cindy, you've got my vote in 2008.

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Thank you Cindy
Posted by: ebotsko on Aug 15, 2005 3:55 AM   
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Thank god for Cindy Sheehan and for The Nation for bringing her to national attention. I hope that this really is the tipping point. Its up to the national media to get on-board and stay on point until she gets her questions answered.

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» RE: Thank you Cindy Posted by: LoveYourEnemies
True Courage, Honor, and Duty.
Posted by: Merchant_Of_Menace on Aug 15, 2005 4:18 AM   
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Awasalaam alaikum. Peace be unto you, Cindy Seehan.

Ironically, we find these Army Core Values(not all of them are listed) in the mother of a dead soldier, whose wish now is to see an end to this war without end (provided that certain people are allowed to get their way), probably the most patriotic thing anyone can do for the _people_ of her country, not the _government_.

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I hope Cindy continues being her "unpolitical self" including her swear words!
Posted by: Pepper on Aug 15, 2005 4:27 AM   
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I say that because we are at a juncture in this country where pussy footing around will simply speed up the demise of this nation as its now in the process of doing, thanks to the neocon Satanists running this government. I say Satanists and if you don't believe me go read Condolezza Rices sworn testimoney before the 9-11 (joke wackjob) commission. All her "33's and "233's" are in there out of context. When reading them and the persistant use of those two terms realizing she is stretching to put them into some context to make it appear to have some meaning, you begin to understand there is something to this whole evil business.

I think that is what this whole Iraq is about! Its some agenda that includes greed, oil etc. but really I think it goes deeper than that. Iraq is the oldest civlization and it has the Garden of Eden between the Euphrates and Tigres Rivers so there is much there to contemplate. Enough, its too early! LOL You go Cindy, you have God and Right on your side.

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Grammar, please
Posted by: Ekatellis on Aug 15, 2005 5:01 AM   
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It's distressing to see poor grammar in any journalistic piece. "It remains to be seen who will be found in that ditch . . . SHE or the president of the United States," not "her or the president . . ."

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Barbara
Posted by: Barbara on Aug 15, 2005 5:01 AM   
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Go Girl !! You are an AMAZING woman and will go down in my history book as an inpsirational leader who made a difference to others around the world. I live in Australia and hate what is happening in our country & government, having become a lackey to Bush. I forward all the articles I find about Cindy onto my friends in Australia and around the world.
I request that everyone who reads this article do the same. We can, if we have the same courage as Cindy, alter the future.

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Posted by: gramps on Aug 15, 2005 5:05 AM   
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Cindy has suceeded by breaking through the mask of comity and political correctness. She is like the young nun who the Mother Superior couldn't stop from calling a spade a "fucking shovel". The only invective missing from the progressive lexicon is the F word for fascist. This is a fascist administration by any definition, but especially that of the guy who invented fascism--Benito Mussolini. "Fascism is the marriage of corporation money and state power." Still the little man aspiring to the stature of Hitler and Tojo is referred to as "our president". When will the left awaken to the fact that they are dealing with knife wielding cut-throats.

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An extra 400
Posted by: errandchild on Aug 15, 2005 6:11 AM   
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Getting the extra money by, "an Army-designated priority unit with a critical role in current global commitments."

Sounds like hazard pay to me.

As for Cindy. I say let her curse all she wants. She's the pissed off grieving mother, she has that right. And if she reads this site I would like her to know this:
For every person who makes it out to Crawford, there are at least fifty who wish that they could. I'm one of them. I consider you to be America's conscience right now. Do not back down, Bush is afraid of you. Keep going. You will win.

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Hogwash
Posted by: errandchild on Aug 15, 2005 6:21 AM   
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Much like you show your lack of spelling every time you post your BS. Unlike what Bill or Sean say, we "liberals" love America more than you do (Not that it is a contest). Your kind are what is ruining this country and turning it into the opposite of what it is supposed to be.
And by the way, I, and many other "liberals," don't like Moore either. So you can shove that too.
And how exactly does 9-11 show "our" lack of patriotism? If you are going to talk out of your butt at least explain yourself.

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Blaming liberals won't solve the crisis especially since they haven't been in power for 25+ years.
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 15, 2005 6:21 AM   
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Even good conservatives never supported this war. The only people who supported it were the radical rightwing fundies in the Republican party who cloak themselves as "conservative" but go SUPER-radical at large and the pansy "centrists in the Democratic Party. Who did you expect her to ally herself with, Bill O'reilly, the hate America guy who made up stories about Cindy's sister having an abortion on his hate radio show? Being allied with the left sure beats being allied with the right and you can forget the center as there is none unless you believe in the DLC and corporate but socially feeling liberal Republicans who have bastardized the word "center". You sir, are no real conservative.

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RE: hi
Posted by: eggnog2464 on Aug 15, 2005 6:22 AM   
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This war is not a liberal/conservative issue. Its about power, oil and gold. Patriotism is being used by BUSHCO as a weapon to divide America - to turn one group against another.

9/11 was terrorist attack - a huge one - stunning and shocking - but it was not a declaration of war. A rag-tag group of terrorists do not represent any nation, any army. They are criminals. And the US can't declare war against a non-nation. As one general put it - you can't have a war against a tactic - you can only have a war against a nation.

Right now, America declared war upon a sovereign nation - Iraq
and invaded it. Bush and his gang are 100% responsible for this invasion and manipulated Congress, the media and the American public to get COMPLIANCE. The unpatriotic ones here are not the "liberals" but the Bush Administration.

They should be IMPEACHED, tried and sent to jail for their crimes against America, the American constitution. They should even be tried for crimes against humanity for all the pain and suffering they caused in Iraq.

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UnAmerican Liberals
Posted by: Lilah on Aug 15, 2005 6:36 AM   
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If Greed is American, then I am an UnAmerican Liberal.
If Lying is American, then I am an UnAmerican Liberal.
If Unprovoked War is American, then I am an UnAmerican Liberal.
If Decimating the Environment is American, then I am an UnAmerican Liberal.
If Squandering our Standing in the World is American, then I am an UnAmerican Liberal.
If Abandoning the Bill of Rights is American, then I am an UnAmerican Liberal.

Liberals do not hate America, they hate what this Administration is trying to turn her into. We don't hate conservatives saying 9-11, we hate you using the events on 9-11 to justify an immoral, wasteful, stupid war of aggression, the destruction of a people (not just their government) and country (DU rounds, etc.) and the abandonment of our Bill of Rights.

I really pity you when, years from now, you see and understand what a monster you've supported....

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cyphre
Posted by: cyphre on Aug 15, 2005 6:49 AM   
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Cindy is right. I do not remember seeing her stated as having used the word "coward," but it applies also. Bush and the rest of the neocon draft dodgers are cowardly ideologues as well as liars. She is right. And although it would be humanitarian to remain in Iraq until the situation is stable there, we cannot. We don't have the manpower. Even with a draft we would not. It is not really a Hobson's choice. We simply have to leave because we cannot do what we need to do to correct our error for being there in the first place. We are there because Bush and rest lied about the WMD and continued lying about everything else as they went along. The motivation for Bush's lies may never be known although numerous psychologists and psychiastrists have published opinions. He and the neocons have ruined our military to include the reserves and national guards and they will never recover. Our active army now offers free U.S. citizenship and forty thousand dollars to any foreigner who will join for six years. That is how desperate they are for cannon fodder. Rome did the same and was eventually overrun by barbarians. To our distress, the barbarians are now in charge and we have only ourselves to thank for it. In Iraq the electricity is not on, pulic emergency services are non existence, people at large are not secure in their lives, they have no economic future, and they cannot protect and provide for their families. Now Saadam was a bad guy and tortured and killed many of his people, but over 98 percent of them had a life and could securely provide for their families. Saadam had no WMD and was no threat to us or any of his neighbors. But because Bush lied, perhaps over 100,000 Iraqies are dead, perhaps as many as 1,000,000 maimed for life, the American war dead number now approaches 2,000 with many more thousands maimed for life, the "Coalition of the Willing" has hundreds dead and mained, and the middle east (except for Israel) is squarely, and for the foreseeable future, staunchly Anti-American as they never were before. All that can be said is "thank you George Bush."

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Death of the parties
Posted by: kelly.nickell on Aug 15, 2005 7:11 AM   
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Sheehan has my vote as a symbol of what happens when we quit ignoring the profanity of war and lies, and begin listening to the colorful profanity of someone who is pissed off about the lack of truth.

Bill Clinton killed the hopes and dreams of what Democrats could have accomplished. Cindy Sheehan is driving a stake in the heart of the GOP. I'll send her my last dime if the Progressive movement needs more "No more Bushit" voices.

Sign me up. It's time for some genuine action.

KN - Lakeland, FL - hailing from Lubbock, TX - the most self delusional conservative bastion in perhaps the entire country. Take a look at this story: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Peace-Mom.html
to have an understanding of what folks in Texas are up against.

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Where were you on nine one one
Posted by: billyboy43 on Aug 15, 2005 7:43 AM   
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Where were you on nine one one,
The day of deceit that had to come,
A New World Order bought by PNAC,
All they need is a terror attack.

Let the CIA hijack some planes.
Run 'em in the towers for all to see.
People won't think it was a game
To put our troops in the Middle East.

1.
Cheney downstairs running War Games,
Rummy at the Pentagon waiting on his plane,
Dubya in Florida reading to some kids,
So the world can't see what he did.

2.
The towers feel like dynomite,
A planned demolition - what a sight,
Three thousand died that day,
So bush and Cheney could have their way.

3.
FEMA on the ground just a block away,
Waiting on Rudy to call the day.
Cart off the steel - it ain't no crime,
Take their oil while we got time.

4.
The plane over Penn went astray,
Shot it down before it got away.
Got a war in Iraq we can't win,
But the war for oil never ends.

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I did not have smirky relations with that woman ... uh, Ms. Sheehan
Posted by: Meremark on Aug 15, 2005 8:17 AM   
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Give us PAT RIOT justice..

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A few points of interest to me
Posted by: WhatNow? on Aug 15, 2005 8:54 AM   
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"We're talking about a military that, not so long ago, was being touted as the most powerful force not just on this planet at this moment but on any planet in all of galactic history."

This statement always annoys me. So where the hell was this great force on 9/11? As I watched tearfully what was happening that day, one thing I continually wondered was why I never saw a single fighter aircraft. FAA guidelines are that any plane hijacked over US soil is to be immediately escorted by fighter aircraft.

OK, OK everybody and anybody. You do not need to tell me it(9/11) was an inside job. I do believe the Bush administration allowed and watched it happen to help them push an agenda for war. So with that being my opinion, I believe the biggest and nastiest terrorists are the neocons.

"George prides himself on not flinching, giving ground, or ever saying he's sorry."

I admire Cindy for these characteristics but with Bush they appear to be the vices of a deceitful and cruel psychopath. I can be really stubborn and unapologetic if I feel I am right and sometimes I have been that way when I should not have. However I usually will come around to see my errors and change my ways and/or apologize.

Also maybe Cindy's profanity ought to be aired on the news. It might strike a chord with less educated and more emotional people of this country. The worse thing about profanity is when it's use shows a lack of vocabulary and thought but in Cindy's case it probably has relevance.

Keep up the fight Cindy. Maybe some lady in a ditch in Texas can help save us all from the greed, war, and violence so cherished by our so called leaders.

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With you in spirit, Cindy Sheehan - Keep on asking 'What's going on?"
Posted by: Lindie on Aug 15, 2005 8:55 AM   
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Ms. Sheehan's vigil puts me in mind of a classic Marvin Gaye social commentary song, "What's going on?" from a set he penned questioning the rationale behind the Viet Nam War; the sorry, divided state of the nation; joblessness; society tending towards a police state; and the nasty political climate.

Cindy Sheehan may or may not have heard any of the ssongs, but she sure as hell is asking the questions and living her convictions in a way no one in the administration could have anticipated (or countered).

Ms. Sheehan will go down in American history, I suspect, as the (figurative) child that pointed out the emperor's state of total undress. And high time someone called GW Bush to account - the press HAS gone soft on him.

Cindy Sheehan has done what many of us only talk about, held GW's feet to the fire. and he's starting to flinch. Good on her. My prayers are with her. I only wish I had the courage to be there with her.

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RE: hi
Posted by: Roverton on Aug 15, 2005 9:06 AM   
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I am a liberal, though I'm not the one you have been told I am by those who are not liberal. My father told me he was a liberal during World War II when he clipped barbed wire and freed work camp prisoners. There are certain similarities between now and then. Weapons are being used, young people are being killed. The difference is that other information has come to light. It reveals the corruption behind this wars inception.

You have been lied to madam. Liberals are flawed, just like Conservatives, but if it is that easy to brainwash so many millions of us into wanting something like the humiliating death of our young by losing a war, why is it ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE for millions of Republicans to have been tricked into the war in the first place? Why is it unfathomable that we had more to do with 911 than cable news tells us.

Not everything the liberal or Democratic agenda has to offer is good for America - but why can't it be possible that these Neo-Cons are pulling the scam of this or any century? They're not true conservatives. They are con men.

Often our pride forbids us to admit we've been fooled. But to hide in our bubble of shame while our young are being killed for a lie is not particularly courageous, noble or patriotic. A defining moment in your life will be whether you are brave enough to face THAT possiblility.

Of course lots of us won't notice what thet're really doing -
THAT'S THE DEFINITION OF A "CON JOB"!

PATRIOTISM IS NOT OBEDIENCE!!!

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Right On Cindy!!!
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 15, 2005 9:22 AM   
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Let's face facts. This country's government has funded itself on warfare for quite a long time now. Usually we hang back and sell arms or transport drugs or provide funding.Then there are the times qwe get involved a little deeper and
actually get in on the killing.Been that way for Fourty Years or more.Cindy standing up for all those who feel the same way but lack the courage to stand, is a hearld for all that wars for
the benifit of the company bottom line ARE INHUMAN. You
folks harkening the oughtness sacrificing you children for the
cause of liberty and democracy better wake up and look around. We have very little Freedom and no Liberty here.
Any place we've 'liberated' does'nt fare much better. Why?
Because the government is only in it for the money.The People are just a renewable resource that are used to the
whim and dictate of the Social Eliteists. This government is ILLEAGLE,the war is ILLEAGLE.The registration for a draft and
the continued recycling of troops all ILLEAGLE.It was the illeagle policies and actions of the sitting government's Grandparents that have given us our 'terrorists' of the day.
But that's how we do 'biznuss'. All Womwn must stand up against this and all wars.You vets stop making yourselves heros. I'm a 'Nam vet myself.we butchered those people. We
were so crule that the men who had real toughness,threw away their medals,for there is no honor in being a Killer for
Machine.Support the People,Don't go to WAr.

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The Wheels Fall Off WHOSE Wagon?
Posted by: monkeywrench on Aug 15, 2005 9:57 AM   
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Let's hope the wheels come off the administration in Washington before they come off the military in Iraq: we need the up-close rationality of those field commanders a lot more than we need the bumblers and crooks in the White House.

Mr. Fitzgerald, please hurry up and get those indictments to the Grand Jury. . .

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Mister
Posted by: vergon on Aug 15, 2005 9:58 AM   
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I quote from the article which says about Cindy Shehan:

"A mother of one of the dead who demands an explanation, an answer, when no answer he gives will ever conceivably do; a woman who, like his neocon companions, has no hesitation about going for the jugular. And, amazingly, she's already made the man flinch twice."

I would like to answer Cindy.

Do we have sympathy for the mothers (and fathers) of the boys killed in war? Of course. Does that mean the war is wrong? No. Does that mean the war is not neccessary? Again, no.

Recall that after WW I the sentiment was "I didn't raise my boy to be a soldier. I brought him up to be my love and joy".

The war in Iraq is a right war -- but for the wrong reasons. At least the wrong reasons were given by Bush.

If you are going to fight a war, know who and what your enemy is. We know why we fought Hitler -- and I don't believe anyone (except Neo Nazis) would disagree that it was a necessary war -- and many died.

So what's with Iraq? Who and what are our enemies? They are the people who downed the World TradeTowers and killed many of our soldiers over seas with embassy bombings,etc.

They are the people who HAVE BEEN WAGING WAR AGAINST NON MUSLIMS FOR 14 CENTURIES
and have now stepped up their war to a global basis.

A few centuries ago they killed 50 million people in India.

They started out on the Arabian Peninsula and now control all of central Asia, part of Eastern Asia and Eastern Africa.

Their goal is that the entire world be Islamic.

THEY HAVE DECLARED WAR ON US AND IT IS UP TO US TO DECIDE IF WE WILL DEFEND OR SUBMIT.

The trouble with the war in Iraq is that we are fighting it with our hands tied behind our back.

You can't do that and win.

Recall WWII, we laid enemy cities -- entire cities -- to waist. We didn't agonize about killing civilians -- all were are enemies.

We have to regard Iraq in the same manner. All areas where so called "insurgents" live shpould be bombed out of existence.

If there are "inncocent" civilians in the area let them leave. If you believe thay are not sympathetic to the jehadeen then you believe in the tooth fairy.

Make no mistake, these people have practiced genocide for fourteen centuries.

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black avenger - a fictious name for ficticious times...
Posted by: Voicedude on Aug 15, 2005 10:34 AM   
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black avenger has proven once and for all:
McCARTHY-ISM IS ALIVE AND WELL!

Simply 'label' someone an enemy, and they ARE one!
Simply spin any seemingly benign point to fit your agenda and 'prove' you're right!
Simply ignore the hard facts, and you can view something YOUR way!
Simply call someone un-American....and viola! - they ARE!

Facts are irrelevant. Logic is definitely irrelevant.
Just keep repeating the Mantra-Du-Jour.......

Oh wait! I just twice used French words in my description. That PROVES what a wimpy, Commie, Pinko I must be, right?
(pardon me while I laugh at you for a minute......)

Well, it WOULD be funnier if this kind of bad logic wasn't so damaging - to OUR COUNTRY, you 'patriot'! No sane person in this fine nation would ever consider McCarthyism to have been anything but a damaging, UN-American blight on our history. And YOU are trying to conjure him back up from the dead!

This kind of logic is so 'school yard' - so sophomorically immature - that it can hardly even be called 'logic'. The 'innocent' fifties may have allowed for such childish name calling and bullying, but we are supposed to know better in today's world. Slowly, as people wake up to the BS and lies they've been allowing to be slung out of this administration, you retreat back to the only thing left in your arsenal: name-calling. You are even too thick to realize how impotent you now appear to the enlightened (i.e. anyone who reads more that something that already supports their opinion).

No, no! You LOVE your unfounded, button-pushing, hopelessly childish labels - because only THEY can make you feel superior to others, something you obviously did BEFORE the war. How obvious then, that you chose 'black avenger' for your OWN label - you seem to actually think of yourself as a 'super hero'. Sorry.....but you're neither 'super', nor a 'hero'; and really, kid, Super Heroes are as fictional as a Christian President in modern times.

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How about this smoking gun?
Posted by: iremember on Aug 15, 2005 10:43 AM   
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The Downing Street Memo, damning as it may be, is just a puff of smoke compared to the result of the CIA's investigation into who forged the infamous Niger uranium memo. A California Public Radio station had an interview with an anonymous CIA officer back in April or May, and I think he was the same guy who wrote the best selling book Imperial Hubris anonymously. I even think that Alternet might be the place where I read the transcript, or maybe truthout.org. Anyway, he said the CIA determined to a high degree of probability that Michael Ledeen forged the Niger uranium documents. For those who aren't familiar with the full cast of the usual suspects from this criminal enterprise we call the USG, Michael Ledeen is a hard right neocon, alumni of the Reagan administration, member of the Project For The New American Century, colleague of Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, et al. Why has the media not pursued this story? The fact that the primary casus belli for this war was forged by a friend and colleague of the uppermost members of this administration, to my mind, is earth-shattering evidence that these people started this war by deliberate, pre-meditated fraud and deception, not the so-called "bad intelligence" excuse that the MSM has so far let these men get away with. I hope somebody in the MSM has the balls to dig into this story and run with it. The origins of the Niger uranium documents could be the story that brings this adminstration crashing down.

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The Democrats
Posted by: Lizmv on Aug 15, 2005 10:54 AM   
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I do hope the Democrats will pay attention and start adopting Cindy Sheehan's style. What she has is integrity.

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Uh Oh, religion
Posted by: D on Aug 15, 2005 10:54 AM   
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Fellow lefties please take note:
Now that so many of us are inspired by Ms Sheehan, note that the real Cindy in turn is inspired by :
"...a lovely interfaith prayer service this morning. It was truly beautiful...".
The Huffington Post | Full Blog Feed 8/14/05 11:02 PM Cindy Sheehan.
Why is it so difficult for so many on the left to understand that there are people like this, for whom their spirituality is as important as their liberal politics and that the two are intimately intertwined?

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MOTHERS of the WORLD UNITE
Posted by: hirondelle on Aug 15, 2005 12:26 PM   
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If all mothers around the globe for all time, refused to let their sons be cannon-fodder for the machinations of others -always for someone else's gain- wars would end.

And who is hidden in the shadows while the money comes pouring into their coffers from profits on war machinery? Let's have them out in the light where their profiteering at the expense of others misery, can be seen

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Astounding
Posted by: bambic on Aug 15, 2005 12:56 PM   
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Stop and think about all this for a minute...now, somebody needs to explain to me why this man, George Bush, is the President---the President---of the United States.
How much longer before we impeach him?

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» RE: Astounding Posted by: Just Some Dude
The real terror
Posted by: Edward George on Aug 15, 2005 1:10 PM   
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Terror is not something done to you, it's something you feel; and the outward evidence of terror is more likely to be macho chest beating than cowering. This lady would understand when I say that when the thing you dreaded has happened you are no longer afraid.

I'm an old dude with a long memory. The American people heard and understood Franklin Roosevelt when he said, "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." There was plenty to fear in the Great Depression and WWII but we did not panic. The terror started with Joe McCarthy and continued through the years of Mutually Assured Destruction with enough atomic bombs to obliterate the world many times over.

This time around is just more of the same in a slightly different guise and the real terrorists are those who frighten the public for political gain. It's time to quit quivering and looking for some political or religious big daddy to hide behind. Your real friends are next door and on the next aisle at the grocery store. Talk to them. You will be amazed at how reasonable they are and how friendly they would like to be. This lady has found some of that down home courage.

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ATTA GIRL CINDY - KEEP IT UP YOUR DOING RIGHT.
Posted by: aries72 on Aug 15, 2005 1:15 PM   
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Yes I am behind you 100% Cindy and personally believe you are right on and I am with you if not in person surely am spiritually for sure. God bless you in standing up for all of us, and you betcha' we are standing up with you all the way.
I knew WE AMERICANS had backbone and would not go down in a heap under this NEOCON sham. It is all over for bush and his cronies hopefully - we Americans do have backbone and definitely do not like what we see on the horizon, oil be damned we have many alternate fuels and ideas when we allow the good to show their stuff. God bless and YEA for you.

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Keep it up Cindy
Posted by: skekky on Aug 15, 2005 2:30 PM   
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Cindy, I just want to thank you. You are brave, and we stand by you! Do not let the 'atmosphere' in Texas get to you! Keep it up!

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"Men ought either to be well treated or crushed"
Posted by: JustAsk on Aug 15, 2005 5:12 PM   
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Its not a "war" anymore, stop calling it that !
Posted by: cobrajet on Aug 15, 2005 6:56 PM   
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The war ended months ago, when the enemy lost its leader, Sadam, when the statues came tumbling down,when the US marines occupied every castle in the country.

It is now to be called "The struggle against the extremist violence"

Lets call it what it is, okay ?

If we call it a war, then the BUsh admin can use "war time politics" and side step the Bill of Rights in wartime.
Lets put a stop to that right now, shall we ?

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The Limits of Cindyism
Posted by: hagwind on Aug 16, 2005 4:51 AM   
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Without for an instant denying Cindy Sheehan's courage, eloquence, and perseverance, can we devote a little time to exploring why she's become the undisputed darling of the LPLs (liberals, progressives, and leftists)?

Could it have anything to do with the huge, sucking LPL leadership vacuum? Or with the fact the LPLs seem to be stuck in react-react-react mode? Or that they've forgotten (or maybe never learned) the dangers of relying too heavily on the "mom card"?

Obiwan Kenobi, you are my only hope!
Jesus, come save us!

Well, the good thing is that if the LPLs think a bit about their eagerness to rally round and embrace Cindy Sheehan, they might get some much-needed insight into why, in these uncertain times, religions that preach salvation by divine intervention are so popular.

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Frannie
Posted by: Frannie5252 on Aug 16, 2005 5:45 AM   
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I say GOOD FOR YOU CINDY. We all should have picked our sons up by the nape of the neck and thrown them into Canada instead of sending them off to fight this senseless war.
Enough is enough.

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Cindy Sheehan needs to be honest...
Posted by: FreedomForAll on Aug 16, 2005 7:02 AM   
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I am trying to read this with an open mind, but how can I?

You are all idolizing a woman who not long ago lavished praise on President Bush for his compassion, told of how wonderful she felt after meeting with him, and then gave him support for the war by telling him to make sure her son's death counts (not her exact words, I don't have the quote in front of me).

Now I read new accounts, as told by her, that the president was cold, saying things such as 'who are we honoring here?' and more. This is not anything close to what the President was heard saying the first time.

So, my question is, is Cindy Sheehan lying now, or was she lying then? And how can anyone here give so much credibility to a person who is lying? And I am not just calling her a liar to be mean - I don't know her - I am saying she is lying because she is ON THE RECORD as telling two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT stories!

I am being sent articles like this by a well meaning liberal friend in a effort to try to show me information that might help me form another viewpoint. But how can I when I read stuff like this article, dripping with misquotes, insults, and thinly vieled threats about the President "lying in a ditch"?

Look - I applaud you all for the obvious unity in your beliefs, and I support anyone who has a voice and wants to be heard. But you might not have a lot of success bring people over from the 'other side' unless you tone down the rhetoric to be a bit more factual and less, well, nasty.

Bush met with Cindy once, he's not going to do it again, especially if all she is going to do is stand outside his home swearing and insulting him, trying to taunt him into coming out and stepping into what is surely intended to be a verbal altercation.

Maybe if she were polite, just quietly waiting, he would actually feel quilty about leaving her out there (or maybe hs advisors would...), and he would be compelled to go outside. But by Cindy spewing venom and angry rants she is giving him an excuse not to come out and face a confrontation. And not many (outside of this website, maybe) wouldn't blame him. I certainly don't.

In the end, it should be obvious that maybe you guys need another poster mom, someone who isn't on the record as telling two completely different version of the same story.

You need a new hero...

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Ivor
Posted by: Ivor on Aug 16, 2005 2:30 PM   
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Freedom for all ..

No it is not period! The process has only just begun. The road to freedom does not come from the barrels of American Neocon guns or the smart bombs and the napalm and the depleted uranium weapons.

A ditch is a ditch whether it holds living or dead bodies .. and it takes a human to dig one. America has dug well over a 100,000 ditches in Iraq.

Mother Earth opening one small pore to receive the bodies of innocents .. they are so consigned at the behest of a madman .. Cindy has awoken from the childhood dream...

In the throes of a new bereavement .. I can assure you there is a numbness of mind and spirit .. a merciful anesthetic .. a delay of the anger and the pain .. which if suffered immediately leads to insanity.

I think your remarks lack empathy, and I ask you .. why would you lend support and aid to a mass murderer? Yet cast aspersions on one who exposes the murderer?

The child that cried look Mommy the Emperor has no clothes .. had his ears boxed for his truth telling. Sigh ... so true.

Go CindyGo!

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» RE: Ivor Posted by: FreedomForAll
Excellent article
Posted by: mountainmama on Aug 16, 2005 9:37 PM   
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This is such a great article!!! It's CONTENT and thought are superb! So grateful for writers like Tom.

Cindy is terrific!

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Sheehan, Iraq and what's obvious
Posted by: dpcosteajr on Aug 17, 2005 10:10 AM   
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I really do not think the United States needs to continue its presence in Iraq for purposes of rebuilding the country. Now that the primary souce of the problem has been eliminated and the Iraqi people appear to be on the road to recovery, the rest should be up to them to accomplish. As far as Iraq becoming a source for terrorist training camps, well how are we supposed to stop that by OBVIOUS action? Terrorists are experts at hiding underground (so to speak) and keeping their activities secret until they choose to act.

Therefore, in my opinion, having reconizable troops on the ground really is not going to help. It would be more appropriate for the U.S. to pull out and continue monitoring the situation via satellite and covert surveillance with CIA operatives, etc. Why? Has any criminal activity ever been uncovered even here in the U.S. by direct observation? No. Not unless a police officer stumbles onto a drug transaction or theft ring. Mostly they are uncovered through careful, undercover surveillance using officers who DO NOT LOOK LIKE policemen and women! Whether it be with long hair, ratty clothes or worse, it usually takes someone who looks like a thief to catch a thief!

Having American soldiers on the ground may give some comfort to the Iraqi people in general, but it also makes our men and women an obvious target for aggression! Even the president and his chiefs of staff should be able to figure that much out. Why do you think the soldiers need fortified bases and secured locations in order to conduct their DAILY and ROUTINE operations! They cannot even go to the toilet without the protection of abarbed wire fence, dogs and security patrols!

The damage to the country of Iraq is partly our fault, but none of it would have been necessary if the Iraqi people had the means to deal with Saddam themselves. In this regards the situation could be compared to a car accident. First you pull the injured person out of the wreck, then let a qualified medical person for treatment. Nowhere does it say you, the First Responder, are responsible for repair the person's damaged car. And Iraq certainly has the means and the money (or assets) to rebuild the country on their own. Our millions of taxpayer dollars are needed at home to reinforce our borders, upgrade communications systems (radios) and train additional personnel!

So I hope Ms. Sheehan get to have her second audience with the president.

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Sorry about Ms. Sheehan's tragedy, but her son "decided" to be in the Army
Posted by: nenita on Aug 18, 2005 9:35 AM   
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Yes! It is very sad to see young people who die on the war, and I am completly contrary to ANY war. When I listen to people talking about an "Unfair War" I ask myself "What War is Fair? "NONE"

So, if we think on that, why are we so happy when our family take the decision to enter in the ARMY.?

I know it is very attractive when we think on the benefits our youth get on the Army. And also, we feel so proud when we see that picture of them, wearing the uniform, placed in a very special place of home. We feel great when can say "LOOK, THAT'S MY SON". We just feel wonderful when everything is going well....

BUT, what happen when the reality of a War knock our door, and our sons have to leave? And we know they have go TO KILL OR TO BE KILLED!!!!
Well, then we start looking to hold somebody responsible.

I was a mother, I lost my only son, not in a war, but anyway I can know what Mr. Sheehan is feeling. I just want to remember her that HER SON
was NOT forced to get in the ARMY, and they should remember too that this country is always involved in wars, no matter why.

So, please, don't use this lady's tragedy to make your own "war against the president". Use your right to vote.

And finally would like to clear that I am Independent and did not vote for president this last election.

Thanks and God Bless You All

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I support sheehans loss
Posted by: flatulence on Aug 22, 2005 4:40 AM   
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I just dont support her thoughts. Kind of sounds like what liberals say about the troops and the war!

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My new hero...is not Sheehan
Posted by: asdf on Aug 30, 2005 9:53 PM   
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As a Iraq vet I understand her points but she is off base. Sheehan is upset about her loss and the reasoning behind the war.

But there is a few factors she in not considering:
1) Her son DID NOT get drafted.
2) When you enlist in the military your primary objective IS combat.

I feel bad for Sheehan but every enlistee says: "i joined the military for college, experience, etc". No, you didn't. That's an added bonus. If you take any contracted job that has hazards it is your choice. The military dosn't hide the fact that they are soldiers and often get deployed to fight wars. She wasn't protesting when her son was alive and not yet in Iraq. I am not trying to sound mean or pro-bush but think of what you are protesting...My son joined the miliitary, went to war, died and now I'm blaming Bush for my son's death. Now I demand the president meet with me on his vacation and explain this!

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