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Secret Way to War

By Mark Danner, The New York Review of Books and TomDispatch. Posted May 17, 2005.


The 'smoking gun' memo makes it crystal clear that George Bush was hell-bent on attacking Iraq at least eight months before the invasion.
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It was Oct. 16, 2002, and the United States Congress had just voted to authorize the president to go to war against Iraq. When George W. Bush came before members of his Cabinet and Congress gathered in the East Room of the White House and addressed the American people, he was in a somber mood befitting a leader speaking frankly to free citizens about the gravest decision their country could make.

The 107th Congress, the president said, had just become "one of the few called by history to authorize military action to defend our country and the cause of peace." But, he hastened to add, no one should assume that war was inevitable. Though "Congress has now authorized the use of force," the president said emphatically, "I have not ordered the use of force. I hope the use of force will not become necessary." The president went on:

Our goal is to fully and finally remove a real threat to world peace and to America. Hopefully this can be done peacefully. Hopefully we can do this without any military action. Yet, if Iraq is to avoid military action by the international community, it has the obligation to prove compliance with all the world's demands. It's the obligation of Iraq.
Iraq, the president said, still had the power to prevent war by "declaring and destroying all its weapons of mass destruction" -- but if Iraq did not declare and destroy those weapons, the president warned, the United States would "go into battle, as a last resort."

It is safe to say that, at the time, it surprised almost no one when the Iraqis answered the President's demand by repeating their claim that in fact there were no weapons of mass destruction. As we now know, the Iraqis had in fact destroyed these weapons, probably years before George W. Bush's ultimatum: "the Iraqis" -- in the words of chief U.S. weapons inspector David Kaye -- "were telling the truth."

As Americans watch their young men and women fighting in the third year of a bloody counterinsurgency war in Iraq -- a war that has now killed more than 1,600 Americans and tens of thousands of Iraqis -- they are left to ponder "the unanswered question" of what would have happened if the United Nations weapons inspectors had been allowed -- as all the major powers except the United Kingdom had urged they should be -- to complete their work. What would have happened if the UN weapons inspectors had been allowed to prove, before the U.S. went "into battle," what David Kaye and his colleagues finally proved afterward?

Thanks to a formerly secret memorandum published by the London Sunday Times on May 1, during the run-up to the British elections, we now have a partial answer to that question. The memo, which records the minutes of a meeting of Prime Minister Tony Blair's senior foreign policy and security officials, shows that even as president Bush told Americans in October 2002 that he "hope[d] the use of force will not become necessary" -- that such a decision depended on whether or not the Iraqis complied with his demands to rid themselves of their weapons of mass destruction -- the president had in fact already definitively decided, at least three months before, to choose this "last resort" of going "into battle" with Iraq. Whatever the Iraqis chose to do or not do, the President's decision to go to war had long since been made.

On July 23, 2002, eight months before American and British forces invaded, senior British officials met with Prime Minister Tony Blair to discuss Iraq. The gathering, similar to an American "principals meeting," brought together Geoffrey Hoon, the defense secretary; Jack Straw, the foreign secretary; Lord Goldsmith, the attorney general; John Scarlett, the head of the Joint Intelligence Committee, which advises the prime minister; Sir Richard Dearlove, also known as "C," the head of MI6 (the equivalent of the CIA); David Manning, the equivalent of the national security adviser; Admiral Sir Michael Boyce, the chief of the Defense Staff (or CDS, equivalent to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs); Jonathan Powell, Blair's chief of staff; Alastair Campbell, director of strategy (Blair's communications and political adviser); and Sally Morgan, director of government relations.

After John Scarlett began the meeting with a summary of intelligence on Iraq -- notably, that "the regime was tough and based on extreme fear" and that thus the "only way to overthrow it was likely to be by massive military action," "C" offered a report on his visit to Washington, where he had conducted talks with George Tenet, his counterpart at the CIA, and other high officials. This passage is worth quoting in full:
C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action.
Seen from today's perspective this short paragraph is a strikingly clear template for the future, establishing these points:

1. By mid-July 2002, eight months before the war began, president Bush had decided to invade and occupy Iraq.

2. Bush had decided to "justify" the war "by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD."

3. Already "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

4. Many at the top of the administration did not want to seek approval from the United Nations (going "the UN route").

5. Few in Washington seemed much interested in the aftermath of the war.

We have long known, thanks to Bob Woodward and others, that military planning for the Iraq war began as early as Nov. 21, 2001, after the president ordered Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld to look at "what it would take to protect America by removing Saddam Hussein if we have to," and that Secretary Rumsfeld and Gen. Tommy Franks, who headed Central Command, were briefing American senior officials on the progress of military planning during the late spring and summer of 2002; indeed, a few days after the meeting in London leaks about specific plans for a possible Iraq war appeared on the front pages of the New York Times and the Washington Post.

What the Downing Street memo confirms for the first time is that president Bush had decided, no later than July 2002, to "remove Saddam, through military action," that war with Iraq was "inevitable" -- and that what remained was simply to establish and develop the modalities of justification; that is, to come up with a means of "justifying" the war and "fixing" the "intelligence and facts...around the policy." The great value of the discussion recounted in the memo, then, is to show, for the governments of both countries, a clear hierarchy of decision-making. By July 2002 at the latest, war had been decided on; the question at issue now was how to justify it -- how to "fix," as it were, what Blair will later call "the political context." Specifically, though by this point in July the president had decided to go to war, he had not yet decided to go to the United Nations and demand inspectors; indeed, as "C" points out, those on the National Security Council -- the senior security officials of the U.S. government -- "had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record." This would later change, largely as a result of the political concerns of these very people gathered together at 10 Downing Street.

After Admiral Boyce offered a brief discussion of the war plans then on the table and the defense secretary said a word or two about timing -- "the most likely timing in US minds for military action to begin was January, with the timeline beginning 30 days before the US Congressional elections" -- Foreign Secretary Jack Straw got to the heart of the matter: not whether or not to invade Iraq but how to justify such an invasion:
The Foreign Secretary said he would discuss [the timing of the war] with Colin Powell this week. It seemed clear that Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided. But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbors, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran.
Given that Saddam was not threatening to attack his neighbors and that his weapons of mass destruction program was less extensive than those of a number of other countries, how does one justify attacking? Foreign Secretary Straw had an idea: "We should work up a plan for an ultimatum to Saddam to allow back in the UN weapons inspectors. This would also help with the legal justification for the use of force."

The British realized they needed "help with the legal justification for the use of force" because, as the attorney general pointed out, rather dryly, "the desire for regime change was not a legal base for military action." Which is to say, the simple desire to overthrow the leadership of a given sovereign country does not make it legal to invade that country; on the contrary. And, said the attorney general, of the "three possible legal bases: self-defence, humanitarian intervention, or [United Nations Security Council] authorization," the first two "could not be the base in this case." In other words, Iraq was not attacking the United States or the United Kingdom, so the leaders could not claim to be acting in self-defense; nor was Iraq's leadership in the process of committing genocide, so the United States and the United Kingdom could not claim to be invading for humanitarian reasons.[1] This left Security Council authorization as the only conceivable legal justification for war. But how to get it?

At this point in the meeting Prime Minister Tony Blair weighed in. He had heard his foreign minister's suggestion about drafting an ultimatum demanding that Saddam let back in the United Nations inspectors. Such an ultimatum could be politically critical, said Blair -- but only if the Iraqi leader turned it down:
The Prime Minister said that it would make a big difference politically and legally if Saddam refused to allow in the UN inspectors. Regime change and WMD were linked in the sense that it was the regime that was producing the WMD.... If the political context were right, people would support regime change. The two key issues were whether the military plan worked and whether we had the political strategy to give the military plan the space to work.
Here the inspectors were introduced, but as a means to create the missing casus belli. If the UN could be made to agree on an ultimatum that Saddam accept inspectors, and if Saddam then refused to accept them, the Americans and the British would be well on their way to having a legal justification to go to war (the attorney general's third alternative of UN Security Council authorization).

Thus, the idea of UN inspectors was introduced not as a means to avoid war, as president Bush repeatedly assured Americans, but as a means to make war possible. War had been decided on; the problem under discussion here was how to make, in the prime minister's words, "the political context ...right." The "political strategy" -- at the center of which, as with the Americans, was weapons of mass destruction, for "it was the regime that was producing the WMD" -- must be strong enough to give "the military plan the space to work." Which is to say, once the allies were victorious the war would justify itself. The demand that Iraq accept UN inspectors, especially if refused, could form the political bridge by which the allies could reach their goal: "regime change" through "military action."

But there was a problem: as the foreign secretary pointed out, "on the political strategy, there could be US/UK differences." While the British considered legal justification for going to war critical -- they, unlike the Americans, were members of the International Criminal Court -- the Americans did not. Mr. Straw suggested that given "US resistance, we should explore discreetly the ultimatum." The defense secretary, Geoffrey Hoon, was more blunt, arguing "that if the Prime Minister wanted UK military involvement, he would need to decide this early. He cautioned that many in the U.S. did not think it worth going down the ultimatum route. It would be important for the Prime Minister to set out the political context to Bush." The key negotiation in view at this point, in other words, was not with Saddam over letting in the United Nations inspectors -- both parties hoped he would refuse to admit them, and thus provide the justification for invading. The key negotiation would be between the Americans, who had shown "resistance" to the idea of involving the United Nations at all, and the British, who were more concerned than their American cousins about having some kind of legal fig leaf for attacking Iraq. Three weeks later, Foreign Secretary Straw arrived in the Hamptons to "discreetly explore the ultimatum" with Secretary of State Powell, perhaps the only senior American official who shared some of the British concerns; as Straw told the secretary, in Bob Woodward's account, "If you are really thinking about war and you want us Brits to be a player, we cannot be unless you go to the United Nations." [2]

Britain's strong support for the "UN route" that most American officials so distrusted was critical in helping Powell in the bureaucratic battle over going to the United Nations. As late as Aug. 26, Vice President Dick Cheney had appeared before a convention of the Veterans of Foreign Wars and publicly denounced "the UN route." Asserting that "simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction [and] there is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us," Cheney advanced the view that going to the United Nations would itself be dangerous: "A return of inspectors would provide no assurance whatsoever of his compliance with UN resolutions. On the contrary, there is great danger that it would provide false comfort that Saddam was somehow 'back in the box.'"

Cheney, like other administration "hard-liners," feared "the UN route" not because it might fail but because it might succeed and thereby prevent a war that they were convinced had to be fought.

As Woodward recounts, it would finally take a personal visit by Blair on Sept. 7 to persuade president Bush to go to the United Nations:
For Blair the immediate question was, Would the United Nations be used? He was keenly aware that in Britain the question was, Does Blair believe in the UN? It was critical domestically for the prime minister to show his own Labour Party, a pacifist party at heart, opposed to war in principle, that he had gone the UN route. Public opinion in the UK favored trying to make international institutions work before resorting to force. Going through the UN would be a large and much-needed plus.[3]
The president now told Blair that he had decided "to go to the UN" and the prime minister, according to Woodward, "was relieved." After the session with Blair, Bush later recounts to Woodward, he walked into a conference room and told the British officials gathered there that "your man has got cojones." ("And of course these Brits don't know what cojones are," Bush tells Woodward.) Henceforth this particular conference with Blair would be known, Bush declares, as "the cojones meeting."

That September the attempt to sell the war began in earnest, for, as White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card had told the New York Times in an unusually candid moment, "You don't roll out a new product in August." At the heart of the sales campaign was the United Nations. Thanks in substantial part to Blair's prodding, George W. Bush would come before the UN General Assembly on September 12 and, after denouncing the Iraqi regime, announce that "we will work with the UN Security Council for the necessary resolutions." The main phase of public diplomacy -- giving the war a "political context," in Blair's phrase -- had begun. Though "the UN route" would be styled as an attempt to avoid war, its essence, as the Downing Street memo makes clear, was a strategy to make the war possible, partly by making it politically palatable.

As it turned out, however -- and as Cheney and others had feared -- the "UN route" to war was by no means smooth, or direct. Though Powell managed the considerable feat of securing unanimous approval for Security Council Resolution 1441, winning even Syria's support, the allies differed on the key question of whether or not the resolution gave United Nations approval for the use of force against Saddam, as the Americans contended, or whether a second resolution would be required, as the majority of the council, and even the British, conceded it would. Sir Jeremy Greenstock, the British ambassador to the UN, put this position bluntly on November 8, the day Resolution 1441 was passed:
We heard loud and clear during the negotiations about 'automaticity' and 'hidden triggers' -- the concerns that on a decision so crucial we should not rush into military action.... Let me be equally clear.... There is no 'automaticity' in this Resolution. If there is a further Iraqi breach of its disarmament obligations, the matter will return to the Council for discussion as required.... We would expect the Security Council then to meet its responsibilities.
Vice President Cheney could have expected no worse. Having decided to travel down "the UN route," the Americans and British would now need a second resolution to gain the necessary approval to attack Iraq. Worse, Saddam frustrated British and American hopes, as articulated by Blair in the July 23 meeting, that he would simply refuse to admit the inspectors and thereby offer the allies an immediate casus belli. Instead, hundreds of inspectors entered Iraq, began to search, and found...nothing. January, which Defence Secretary Hoon had suggested was the "most likely timing in US minds for military action to begin," came and went, and the inspectors went on searching.

On the Security Council, a majority -- led by France, Germany, and Russia -- would push for the inspections to run their course. President Jacques Chirac of France later put this argument succinctly in an interview with CBS and CNN just as the war was about to begin:
France is not pacifist. We are not anti-American either. We are not just going to use our veto to nag and annoy the US. But we just feel that there is another option, another way, another more normal way, a less dramatic way than war, and that we have to go through that path. And we should pursue it until we've come [to] a dead end, but that isn't the case.[4]
Where would this "dead end" be found, however, and who would determine that it had been found? Would it be the French, or the Americans? The logical flaw that threatened the administration's policy now began to become clear. Had the inspectors found weapons, or had they been presented with them by Saddam Hussein, many who had supported the resolution would argue that the inspections regime it established had indeed begun to work -- that by multilateral action the world was succeeding, peacefully, in "disarming Iraq." As long as the inspectors found no weapons, however, many would argue that the inspectors "must be given time to do their work" -- until, in Chirac's words, they "came to a dead end." However that point might be determined, it is likely that, long before it was reached, the failure to find weapons would have undermined the administration's central argument for going to war -- "the conjunction," as ‘C' had put it that morning in July, "of terrorism and WMD." And as we now know, the inspectors would never have found weapons of mass destruction.

Vice President Cheney had anticipated this problem, as he had explained frankly to Hans Blix, the chief UN weapons inspector, during an October 30 meeting in the White House. Cheney, according to Blix,
stated the position that inspections, if they do not give results, cannot go on forever, and said the U.S. was 'ready to discredit inspections in favor of disarmament.' A pretty straight way, I thought, of saying that if we did not soon find the weapons of mass destruction that the US was convinced Iraq possessed (though they did not know where), the US would be ready to say that the inspectors were useless and embark on disarmament by other means.[5]
Indeed, the inspectors' failure to find any evidence of weapons came in the wake of a very large effort launched by the administration to put before the world evidence of Saddam's arsenal, an effort spearheaded by George W. Bush's speech in Cincinnati on October 7, and followed by a series of increasingly lurid disclosures to the press that reached a crescendo with Colin Powell's multimedia presentation to the UN Security Council on February 5, 2003. Throughout the fall and winter, the administration had "rolled out the product," in Card's phrase, with great skill, making use of television, radio, and all the print press to get its message out about the imminent threat of Saddam's arsenal. ("Think of the press," advised Josef Goebbels, "as a great keyboard on which the government can play.")

As the gap between administration rhetoric about enormous arsenals -- "we know where they are," asserted Donald Rumsfeld -- and the inspectors' empty hands grew wider, that gap, as Cheney had predicted, had the effect in many quarters of undermining the credibility of the United Nations process itself. The inspectors' failure to find weapons in Iraq was taken to discredit the worth of the inspections, rather than to cast doubt on the administration's contention that Saddam possessed large stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction.

Oddly enough, Saddam's only effective strategy to prevent war at this point might have been to reveal and yield up some weapons, thus demonstrating to the world that the inspections were working. As we now know, however, he had no weapons to yield up. As Blix remarks, "It occurred to me [on March 7] that the Iraqis would be in greater difficulty if...there truly were no weapons of which they could ‘yield possession.'" The fact that, in Blix's words, "the UN and the world had succeeded in disarming Iraq without knowing it" -- that the UN process had been successful --meant, in effect, that the inspectors would be discredited and the United States would go to war.

President Bush would do so, of course, having failed to get the "second resolution" so desired by his friend and ally, Tony Blair. Blair had predicted, that July morning on Downing Street, that the "two key issues were whether the military plan worked and whether we had the political strategy to give the military plan the space to work." He seems to have been proved right in this. In the end his political strategy only half worked: the Security Council's refusal to vote a second resolution approving the use of force left "the UN route" discussed that day incomplete, and Blair found himself forced to follow the United States without the protection of international approval. Had the military plan "worked" -- had the war been short and decisive rather than long, bloody, and inconclusive -- Blair would perhaps have escaped the political damage the war has caused him. A week after the Downing Street memo was published in the Sunday Times, Tony Blair was reelected, but his majority in Parliament was reduced, from 161 to 67. The Iraq war, and the damage it had done to his reputation for probity, was widely believed to have been a principal cause.

In the United States, on the other hand, the Downing Street memorandum has attracted little attention. As I write, no American newspaper has published it and few writers have bothered to comment on it. The war continues, and Americans have grown weary of it; few seem much interested now in discussing how it began, and why their country came to fight a war in the cause of destroying weapons that turned out not to exist. For those who want answers, the Bush administration has followed a simple and heretofore largely successful policy: blame the intelligence agencies. Since "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy" as early as July 2002 (as "C," the head of British intelligence, reported upon his return from Washington), it seems a matter of remarkable hubris, even for this administration, that its officials now explain their misjudgments in going to war by blaming them on "intelligence failures" -- that is, on the intelligence that they themselves politicized. Still, for the most part, Congress has cooperated. Though the Senate Intelligence Committee investigated the failures of the CIA and other agencies before the war, a promised second report that was to take up the administration's political use of intelligence -- which is, after all, the critical issue -- was postponed until after the 2004 elections, then quietly abandoned.

In the end, the Downing Street memo, and Americans' lack of interest in what it shows, has to do with a certain attitude about facts, or rather about where the line should be drawn between facts and political opinion. It calls to mind an interesting observation that an unnamed "senior advisor" to President Bush made to a New York Times Magazine reporter last fall:
The aide said that guys like me [i.e., reporters and commentators] were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. 'That's not the way the world really works anymore,' he continued. 'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors ... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.'
Though this seems on its face to be a disquisition on religion and faith, it is of course an argument about power, and its influence on truth. Power, the argument runs, can shape truth: power, in the end, can determine reality, or at least the reality that most people accept -- a critical point, for the administration has been singularly effective in its recognition that what is most politically important is not what readers of The New York Times believe but what most Americans are willing to believe. The last century's most innovative authority on power and truth, Joseph Goebbels, made the same point but rather more directly:
There was no point in seeking to convert the intellectuals. For intellectuals would never be converted and would anyway always yield to the stronger, and this will always be 'the man in the street.' Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect. Truth was unimportant and entirely subordinate to tactics and psychology.
I thought of this quotation when I first read the Downing Street memorandum; but I had first looked it up several months earlier, on Dec. 14, 2004, after I had seen the images of the newly reelected President George W. Bush awarding the Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian honor the United States can bestow, to George Tenet, the former director of central intelligence; L. Paul Bremer, the former head of the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq; and Gen. (ret.) Tommy Franks, the commander who had led American forces during the first phase of the Iraq war. Tenet, of course, would be known to history as the intelligence director who had failed to detect and prevent the attacks of Sept. 11 and the man who had assured President Bush that the case for Saddam's possession of weapons of mass destruction was "a slam dunk." Franks had allowed the looting of Baghdad and had generally done little to prepare for what would come after the taking of Baghdad. ("There was little discussion in Washington," as "C" told the prime minister on July 23, "of the aftermath after military action.") Bremer had dissolved the Iraqi army and the Iraqi police and thereby created 400,000 or so available recruits for the insurgency. One might debate their ultimate responsibility for these grave errors, but it is difficult to argue that these officials merited the highest recognition the country could offer.

Of course truth, as the master propagandist said, is "unimportant and entirely subordinate to tactics and psychology." He of course would have instantly grasped the psychological tactic embodied in that White House ceremony, which was one more effort to reassure Americans that the war the administration launched against Iraq has been a success and was worth fighting. That barely four Americans in ten are still willing to believe this suggests that as time goes on and the gap grows between what Americans see and what they are told, membership in the "reality-based community" may grow along with it. We will see. Still, for those interested in the question of how our leaders persuaded the country to become embroiled in a counterinsurgency war in Iraq, the Downing Street memorandum offers one more confirmation of the truth. For those, that is, who want to hear.

Notes

1. The latter charge might have been given as a reason for intervention in 1988, for example, when the Iraqi regime was carrying out its Anfal campaign against the Kurds; at that time, though, the Reagan administration -- comprising many of the same officials who would later lead the invasion of Iraq -- was supporting Saddam in his war against Iran and kept largely silent. The second major killing campaign of the Saddam regime came in 1991, when Iraqi troops attacked Shiites in the south who had rebelled against the regime in the wake of Saddam's defeat in the Gulf War; the first Bush administration, despite President George H.W. Bush's urging Iraqis to "rise up against the dictator, Saddam Hussein," and despite the presence of hundreds of thousands of American troops within miles of the killing, stood by and did nothing. See Ken Roth, "War in Iraq: Not a Humanitarian Intervention" (Human Rights Watch, January 2004).

2. See Bob Woodward, Plan of Attack (Simon and Schuster, 2004), p. 162.

3. See Woodward, Plan of Attack, pp. 177–178.

4. See "Chirac Makes His Case on Iraq," an interview with Christiane Amanpour, CBS News, March 16, 2003.

5. See Hans Blix, Disarming Iraq (Pantheon, 2004), p. 86.

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Mark Danner, a longtime New Yorker staff writer, is professor of journalism at the University of California at Berkeley and Henry R. Luce Professor at Bard College. His most recent book is "Torture and Truth: America, Abu Ghraib, and the War on Terror." This article appears in the June 9 issue of The New York Review of Books.

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This is the story of the year, now we must spread the word!

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Arachne invasion spreading anthrax
Posted by: Meremark on May 17, 2005 2:04 AM   
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A secret war way also makes it crystal clear that elected officials and their appointed authorities talking on TV are saying lies in our faces.

Fall for one lie and you land in an entangling web of lies. And where there's a web, there's a spider. Hiding secretly.

Spiders sling more lines around their captured victims, restricting freedom of movement until the prey stops squirming. Then more web they weave cocoon-tight, isolating those inside from all the world around them. But keeping them alive, perhaps unconscious, and putting them in storage.

Until the spider comes back again to have its feast.

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the PNAC said it long ago
Posted by: stonemason on May 17, 2005 2:21 AM   
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Why do we rely on a memo for proof of Bush’s intent, when his administration clearly voiced their ambition to invade Iraq in 2000 (more than a year before 9.11) vis a vis the Project for a New American Century (PNAC), before they were even elected (http://www.newamericancentury.org/)? On that website is a manifesto titled “Rebuilding America‘s Defenses“ which says the following on page 26 of Acrobat document (prints as page 14 in text of document): “…Though the immediate mission of those forces is to enforce the no-fly zones over northern and southern Iraq, they represent the long-term commitment of the United States and its major allies to a region of vital importance. Indeed, the United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security. While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein (italics mine).”

The website’s Statement of Principles, which is signed by Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and many others, clearly advances their desires to drive the US towards escalated militarism. It has been posted on the internet since 1997. Why does the author not mention this too?

Sadly, almost every college educated US citizen I tell about the PNAC has never heard of it before, even though it is a piece of statecraft authored by men who then had not yet been elected, which is now guiding our government.

Cheney’s long-held ambitions in his own words:

“We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership… Cuts in foreign affairs and defense spending, inattention to the tools of statecraft, and inconstant leadership are making it increasingly difficult to sustain American influence around the world…The history of this century should have taught us to embrace the cause of American leadership.

This was written in 1997 - four years before 9/11. These people insinuated themselves within the US government long before the so-called cause of fighting terrorism emerged.

Every citizen of the U.S. deserves to read Vice President Cheney’s policies for themselves.

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links
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the "Liberal" media
Posted by: Tom Degan on May 17, 2005 3:41 AM   
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This has been the big story in Europe for a number of days now. Why is the American media. with a handful of notable exceptions, ignoring it?
This administration, I believe, will go down in a scandal so horrific and obscene in its scope, it will make Watergate look like a traffic infraction.
Tom Degan
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Reality-creating
Posted by: dennyduke@earthlink.net on May 17, 2005 6:18 AM   
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Just to emphasize the impact of the neo-con-artist pretense of creating reality: they mean ALL reality, past, present, & future. This explains why nobody in the USofA gives a rat's ass about all that ancient history. The Bushies have created that history - Saddam had WMD, we saved the world from them. Maybe they scooted them across the border to Syria, just in case....

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How can we be interested in that which we don't know?
Posted by: Stephen on May 17, 2005 8:52 AM   
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"In the end, the Downing Street memo, and Americans' lack of interest in what it shows, has to do with a certain attitude about facts, or rather about where the line should be drawn between facts and political opinion."

This sentence comes right after a paragraph which comments on the almost complete lack of coverage in American media. Apparently the NYT and the WP et. al. aren't following it up because they sense that "Americans" don't care anymore about how we got into this mess. Yet we know that the WP ombudsman brushed off many messages from readers asking about the lack of coverage.

I have yet to meet anyone who does not become very interested the moment they learn of this memo's existence. The question for us is how do we get it into the feed trough of the MSM?

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False Assumption
Posted by: bamage on May 17, 2005 8:56 AM   
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You people are apparently laboring under the mistaken impression that the vast majority of the American public gives a damn about whether or not the invasion was predicated on a bunch of lies. The Bushies and the rest of the Republican Guard clearly do not. Much of the rest of the populace is simply willfully ignorant and/or apathetic. The polls show the country is "tired" of the War. They don't want to hear about it any more. They are not PISSED oFF, as they ought to be... And the Bushies continue to redefine "reality" every day.

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Susan Allan
Posted by: susanallan1954 on May 17, 2005 8:58 AM   
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WHEN WILL AMERICA FINALLY WAKE UP AND REALIZE THAT ALL OF THE BLOOD SHED, ALL OF OUR SOLDIERS THAT HAVE BEEN KILLED IN IRAQ, IS PURELY ON G.W.'S OWN HANDS? HE HAS NOT ATTENDED ONE SINGLE FUNERAL OF OUR MILITARY, HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO "BE" IN THE MILITARY - ALL BLOOD SHED AND ALL DEATHS IN IRAQ ARE PURELY ON HIS OWN HANDS FROM HIS OWN SENSE OF GREED AND IN HIS OWN POCKETS!

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No apathy here!
Posted by: Shakti on May 17, 2005 9:00 AM   
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TruthOut posted a Chicago Tribune article saying that the "smoking gun" memo from UK was treated with indifference by an apathic American public.

I'M NOT APATHETIC!!! Nor are my friends. How do we get our voices heard???

We marched in D.C. to protest the war, we volunteered for the Kerry campaign, we complained about the lack of investigative reporting regarding the exit poll data discrepencies, etc. etc. But not much seems to come of anything.

Will the Democrats have the courage to press this? Isn't starting an illegal war under false pretenses an impeachable offense? Can't the UN hold the US govt accountable for torture and war crimes?

Is there anything individuals can do to stop these miscreants or should we simply get *really* serious about our meditation practice, purchase hybrid autos and install solar panels on our houses?

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Truth About Media
Posted by: nakis on May 17, 2005 9:10 AM   
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If we really had a liberal media, if it was really against the right, all the points of this article and the points made by the posters after it would be all over the news.

The truth? It's a right wing conglomerate controlled media that repeats the propagandas of the White House (wealthy elite) and purposefully ignores the truth for the created reality of the wealthy class.

Even the simplest mind could foresee next to nothing coming out in US media over the smoking gun document.

Richard Clark made statements after he quit that the Bush administration was planning on invading Iraq from day 1. The facts are there. It's treason. Impeachment of the executive branch staff is the only course of action.
We need to put in less destructive liars for the wealthy elite back into office.

We need to fix the media. Re-regulate it. Put journalism integrity back into the news.

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By the way...
Posted by: bamage on May 17, 2005 9:17 AM   
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...there are usually at least a few neo-cons waiting to berate the "misguided liberals" who predominate on this site. So, WHERE ARE YOU NOW, BUSHIES? Rationalize this away - your President and all his cronies are a pack of LIARS knee-deep in blood! "Freedom is on the March", my ASS!

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Wake the Hell Up, America!
Posted by: woodford54 on May 17, 2005 9:25 AM   
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Impeach, Impeach, IMPEACH!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Iraq and 911
Posted by: solrey on May 17, 2005 9:34 AM   
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The PNAC manifesto, the british memo, and various other documents and plans laid out throughout the past decade at least makes the possibility of U.S. leadership facilitating the WTC and pentagon attacks even more plausible as their final excuse for establishing control in the middle east. We as citizens of this country are obligated, I feel, to expose the truth and hold those responsible for these treasonous lies and actions be held accountable and suffer the consequences of their actions.

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Effects of the war's cause
Posted by: nightingale on May 17, 2005 9:37 AM   
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The Memo itself is set in context by Danner's cogent piece. Thanks. Altogether those in and behind the Memo have caused untold damage (to Iraqis, to us, to once-meaningful slogans such as 'freedom' and 'doing your duty,' and by increasing the terror in the world). Now it is up to us to remove this cause of so many bad effects. The Memo makes a very valuable talking point which I intend to use to the fullest.

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Gee, Why Do They Hate Us?. . .
Posted by: monkeywrench on May 17, 2005 11:29 AM   
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If we seek to understand why the Middle East hates America so vehemently, we need look no further than the fact that Iraq told the truth when it said it had no weapons of mass destruction, and was destroyed, occupied, and now parcelled out to corporations anyway, by a United States government that lied to its people and the world to achieve its goal of plundering another country's treasure.

Does this administration really think that the rest of the world will stand by and let Bush's "Fourth Reich" empire continue with such brutality? Apparantly they do: witness the quote, "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality."

O.K. – let's look at what happened to some of the former great empires of the world: the Roman Empire? Fell to the Barbarians; The British Empire, on which "the sun never set"? The sun set on it nearly one hundred years ago. The mighty Third Reich of Nazi Germany, which Hitler claimed, in his schizophrenic reality, would last a thousand years? Didn't last ten.

And so it will be with Bush's "Fourth Reich." As other countries ascend economically and challenge us for markets while we become a debtor nation, we will continue to depend on our military to enforce our will in the world – right up to the point that the economically-reorganized, re-energized world turns its back on us. Empires which seek to maintain themselves with brutality have never lasted, and never will. This is their common legacy – this and the amount of destruction they cause before they fall, and the devastation they leave their people to suffer, after they fall.

It is a shame that Bush doesn't read. Maybe someday, Laura will read him George Santayana's quote: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." – but, even if she does, I doubt that he'll understand it.

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humblecitizen
Posted by: humblecitizen on May 17, 2005 11:58 AM   
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17-May-2005
This ""SMOKING GUN MEMO"" is only one more proof of what we, the people of the World, already knew: The killing of tens of thousands of human beings, and the devastation of this soverign country, Iraq, are the creation of the group of greedy, selfish people headed by Bush.

What else do we need to impeach Bush and ALL his cabinet??
Are we going to wait till he squanders even more of what belongs to all US Citizens?? Are we going to wait till more of our brave service men/women get killed??

WE ALL NEED TO SPEAK UP. REGARDLESS OF OUR POLITICAL AFFILIATION, WE HAVE TO BE HONEST WITH OURSELVES AND DEMAND THEIR IMPEACHMENT !!!

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Action and Reality
Posted by: CurtisBryant on May 17, 2005 12:06 PM   
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Supporters of the Bush Administration may flatter themselves by thinking that they are acting upon and shaping the world while their critics can only study, but what is shaping the neo-cons?

Years ago, the French philosopher Simone Weil wrote a fascinating essay called The Iliad or the Poem of Force in which she interpreted the heroes and villains of that epic as unfree. They think that they are acting of their own initiative, but because they are really reacting to the violence of others with more violence, they are behaving as the puppets of violence.

In the case of the neo-cons, I agree with the author that it's about power. The Bush Administration thinks it is acting freely, but its devotion to domination makes power its master rather than its tool. Dominance itself dominates the administration's mentality, leaving it seemingly unable to choose any other tool.

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Here's a Document that Indicates Plans in January, 2001
Posted by: soopafresh on May 17, 2005 12:21 PM   
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Eleven days after Bush assumed office in 2001, the meetings to invade were already taking place. Look at the title of TAB C on this document:

http://www.paperlessarchives.com/GWB2.JPG

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Time for Revolution
Posted by: cooperji on May 17, 2005 12:51 PM   
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Could you imagine, just for a moment, this in tomorrows news - if you can, then you might want to run to the local hardware store and buy a pitchfork and take to the village green...

Dateline Washington DC: May 18, 2005

It appears the Revolution has begun.

In a moment which looked like the fall of Ceausescu, citizens armed with pitchforks and torches flooded the Capitol and stormed to the gates of the Whitehouse, demanding the immediate resignation of President Bush. Several Republican Senators and House leaders were seen fleeing in unmarked helicopters in scenes reminiscent of the fall of Saigon.

The President briefly came to the window, but a security detachment ushered him away, fearing for his safety.

About a million Americans from as far away as Oregon and California have been coming to Pennsylvania Avenue since Tuesday after a leaked memo was published in the London Times citing the Bush Administration knew in advace they were going to invade Iraq.

"I'm exercising my freedoms afforded to me under the consitution, which I swore to uphold and defend", said Iraq war veteran Joe Blogster. Blogster lost a foot in the conflict which has killed 1600 of his fellow soldiers and untold numbers of Iraqi's. The Bush administration reduced Blogsters benefits upon his return.

National guardsmen have not been called by the President as they have been too busy deployed in Iraq to be used domestically in riot control.

Similar groups also mobilized outside of CIA headquarters in Langley, VA, demanding that files be released on the accuracy of the London Times report. Others in the crowd demanded 9/11 documents and what the CIA knew and when, while still others demanded to know who killed JFK....

So, if you can imagine a day, when we can reclaim our republic and have a government by the people and for the people, then I have two suggestions:

1. pitchfork
2. village green

I can't see another way for such a pliant citizenry.

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We're On Our Own
Posted by: monkeywrench on May 17, 2005 1:45 PM   
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It is ironic that the Bush administration is its own best argument AGAINST its endless proselytizing about the existence of a superior Christian God –– because no truly benevolent God would ever allow murderous cretins such as these to rule over a democratic nation such as ours.

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Sheeeeeeep
Posted by: Kym525 on May 17, 2005 2:01 PM   
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Problem with the general American public is that they are not interested in something for more than about oh say 2 minutes at a time. This is obvious from the popularity of these so called reality shows.....ie, American idol, survivor, and "insert shows name here”. If the content isn’t predigested, made into small portions and to be understood with little thinking, you will not get thru to them. Alas the general populaces here in my beloved USA are mostly sheep. Invariably all sheep will eventually have a herder.
All Americans should be outraged at what has been uncovered by this memo. However, knowing what I know about how desensitized we have become thru the constant bombardment of fear and mindless content that most people are happily grazing upon everyday. It is very likely that the manipulation of our system of government will continue. After all, we are just sheep. There are however, limits to what even a sheep will endure!

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Some are sheep..But not all or even most.
Posted by: dolly lanna on May 17, 2005 8:04 PM   
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OK, now lets get busy. Write letters to every newspaper that you think can hear you. Write to representatives and demand that they pay attention to this memo and to the abuses against Muslims, and to the outrageous lies being told to us about almost everything that makes America tick. We are sick of this and will not shut up. Demand attention.
We are madder than hell and want some accountability.
Do not join the apathetic pathetic TV watchers. Get busy.
We have alot of work to do.
By the way where is Howard?

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resist much, obey little
Posted by: jsw on May 17, 2005 8:30 PM   
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In the words of reagan era secretary of state alexander haig, "Let them march and protest all they want, as long as they keep paying their taxes"
If you are paying all your federal taxes you are supporting the bush admin agenda. Over 50% of OUR taxes goes to support imperialism (aka terrorism all over the globe). Do your conscience, your country, 99.99% of the world's people and the planet a favor - STOP SUPPORTING THESE WARMONGERING THUGS by shutting off the source of their power - YOUR TAX DOLLARS! It is our duty as true patriots to deny this corrupt, illegitimate regime the resources it is using to plunder the planet. No money, no war. Is it risky? Yes, but so is letting everything good about this country get destroyed in our name by these shameless criminals. What will we tell our children? Sorry we didn't take a stand, we didn't want to get in trouble?

If everyone who is outraged by this regime refused to pay even a small amount of their federal taxes, say even $10, hardly a risk, and redirected this money to peaceful and sustainable causes, these warmongers would be denied millions of dollars and would take notice. It's the least we could do for the rest of the world that is suffering the wrath of our greed, apathy and arrogance. It helps me to sleep at night knowing I am not willingly give my financial support to murderers. PS I am not anti-tax and would gladly pay double the current tax rate if it were being used to create not destroy. Please consider taking this action and spreading the word.

What if someone came to your house and wanted money to buy weapons to kill some neighbor they didn't like?

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Yes, we all know Bush is nuts and the Neo-Cons are insane . . .
Posted by: its the economy, stupid! on May 17, 2005 9:41 PM   
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but the real question is what do we do now? i'm with the LaRouche Youth movement, or LaRouchePAC. And i'll cut to the chase by posting two papers writen by LaRouche himself and i'd ask anybody serious about saving our nation to read them and reply to me on what they think! read the two papers and think about what LaRouche is saying and why.
1:www.larouchepub.com /lar/2004/3147follies_hitmen.html 2:www.larouchepub.com /lar/2005/3219revolu_method.html
(delete the space after .com)
because getting rid of the Neo-Cons isn't enough. we're in at the end of a real economic breakdown and we need to revive our physical economy and return to a real educational system. things i won't even try to explain now. i'd like to see how people reply to LaRouche's writings.

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George Galloway stands up to Senate Subcommittee
Posted by: righteousbabe on May 17, 2005 10:11 PM   
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LEFTISTS ARE "USEFUL IDIOTS"
Posted by: BillLoathingtheMilitaryClinton on May 20, 2005 7:25 AM   
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The litany of anti-American hatred on this page is disgusting. Obviously most people who have posted here are in compliant agreement with the 56 lies spread by Michael Mooreon in Fahrenheit 9/11.

As to "OutragedMom" who calls President Bush a non-reader (idiot), she is clearly oblivious to the facts that:

1. Bush has a Harvard MBA, while Al Gore, darling of the Left, FLUNKED out of Vanderbilt Divinity School,
2. President Bush scored higher on his officer's IQ test battery than Hanoi John Kerry did,
3. When presented with the fact that Bush beat him in the I.Q. department, Kerry responded, "Good for him."
4. Bill "Loathing the Military" Clinton said, "Saddam Hussein must go" and all good Leftists gravely nodded their heads n agreement,
5. Neville Chamberlain was a naive "pacifist" whose pact with Hitler ("Peace in our time") cost millions more deaths than would otherwise have been the case.

"Those who do not know the past are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana

"So too are those who do know the past." - Me

Hussein murdered "five to seven million Iraqis, most of them Shiites." - National Geographic Magazine, June 2004, Page 28

Clinton and Kofi Anan turned their heads while Hutus slaughtered about 800,000 Tutsis. Far worse is the butchery of Iraq. Now that freedom is taking root in the Middle East, for example Syria has been booted out of Lebanon, and Libya has renounced WMD, many are asking if "Bush was right".

That is a frightening prospect for the America-hating Left.

"I hate Republicans and all they stand for." - Howard Dean, Chairman of the National Democrat Committee

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Letter to President Bush: Try to Stabilize Iraq, then Leave
Posted by: GeorgeThomasClark on May 21, 2005 11:12 PM   
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Letter to President Bush: Try to Stabilize Iraq, then Leave

Dear President Bush,

Let’s relax a few minutes and acknowledge that you are the most powerful man in the world, and the United States is fighting another war in Iraq, and the war is already more than two years old and the insurgency more deadly than ever and that your strategic reasoning for putting troops there – to stabilize the region for democracy – is flawed. I’m going to keep this rudimentary because I know you don’t like to read and study, and instead depend on your instincts and your faith to try to reshape the world. It will be necessary to present some statistics, but since you have an MBA the numbers, and their significance, should be understandable.

We are encouraged to note that subsequent devastation will be much less severe if you begin pulling American troops out of Iraq early next year. You must do this because of the explosive facts that many of your generals have been talking about publicly. I’m sure you at least heard about the New York Times article of May nineteenth. Don’t bother ripping those liberal journalists; they simply quoted your experts in uniforms. Here are the key points. One officer said the United States could be mired in Iraq “many years.” And other officers said that success is not assured and failure is a possibility.

Why are military leaders becoming so pessimistic? It’s those damn statistics, the kind that reveal the truth. All last year there were twenty-five car bombings in Baghdad, but there have been twenty-one such bombings the first three weeks in May, and one hundred twenty-six the last eighty days. Nationwide, about five hundred Iraqis have been blown up by such bombs this month. Many victims were Iraqi soldiers and police. Tragically, the Iraqi security forces are still more likely to be killed by insurgents than to kill or even engage them.

That’s always been the case in this war. Perhaps that will change with vigorous U.S. training and ongoing combined operations. It really must change. The Iraqis are going to have to take care of themselves, aren’t they?

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How to be a successful leader according to Hitler
Posted by: nietgal on Jun 29, 2005 2:08 AM   
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The art of leadership, as displayed by really great popular leaders in all ages, consists in consolidating the attention of the people against a single adversary and taking care that nothing will split up that attention into sections. The more the militant energies of the people are directed towards one objective the more will new recruits join the movement, attracted by the magnetism of its unified action, and thus the striking power will be all the more enhanced. The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to the one category; for weak and wavering natures among a leader's following may easily begin to be dubious about the justice of their own cause if they have to face different enemies.

As soon as the vacillating masses find themselves facing an opposition that is made up of different groups of enemies their sense of objectivity will be aroused and they will ask how is it that all the others can be in the wrong and they themselves, and their movement, alone in the right.

Such a feeling would be the first step towards a paralysis of their fighting vigour. Where there are various enemies who are split up into divergent groups it will be necessary to block them all together as forming one solid front, so that the mass of followers in a popular movement may see only one common enemy against whom they have to fight. Such uniformity intensifies their belief in the justice of their own cause and strengthens their feeling of hostility towards the opponent.

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Impeachment Wouldn't Work
Posted by: Kajamian on Jun 30, 2005 1:24 PM   
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Impeachment won't work. Not while there are troops in harm's way. No matter how heinous the crimes, Congress will never be able to stand up and impeach a "commander-in-chief."
How could you defend yourself to the American people that you have the troops best interests in mind when you want to impeach their leader? Congress as a whole doesn't have the guts. I'm willing to bet that even if we get Democratic control in 2006, it still can't be done. The real power in Congress right now lies in moderate or (be there such a thing) liberal Republicans. They are the only ones who can stand up to the hardline right-wing. And they must then have the support and backing of the Democrats.

Think about the shift away from "things are getting better" to the old "it's hard work" and "we're not leaving until the job's done".
"Patience!" "We have to stay the course and win the war against terrorism (now headquartered in Iraq)." the President said the other night! And now we have TWO tracks; if things are going wrong on one, we can talk about the other.

Also the phrase "Not on my watch!" should be a chiller. If the war drags out, or troops are stationed permanently in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. and the insurgents are still active, by definition, we are still at war! If Bush can manage to keep troops in harm's way until the end of his term, he wins. And there are no successors waiting in the wings to reign him in. In fact, I have a hunch, they don't care who wins 2008. If a Republican, they just keep up the same winning strategy. If a Democrat, they'll have fun watching him sink.

Depressing! So what realistically could lead to the downfall? Here are a couple of thoughts:

(1) The troops really start to rebel in the field. Not unrealistic - especially if the outsourced food, supplies and support keep getting worse. We need more returning vets to speak out and a few more whistle-blowers. If the commander-in-chief isn't taking care of his troops, he loses his command. It's a tough act but it might happen in the next year or so.

(2) The American people, by some miracle, REALLY do start getting agitated about what's being perpetrated in their name!
But we're talking massive revolt, across the nation. Peaceful would be nice, but we're probably talking riots akin the the civil rights movement of the 60's -- dogs and fire-hoses, tasers and tear-gas.

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Impeachment, part 2
Posted by: Kajamian on Jun 30, 2005 1:25 PM   
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(3) The rest of the world isolates the US politically. But that's pretty far fetched. They can't wish our downfall economically because we're too tied together. But if they refuse to go along with us on anything (like Iraq), insist we join the rest of the world (like Kyoto), cancel visits to the US and discourage visits by our ilk (or fob them off on underlings) it could help.

Something has to generate the political will of the "silent majority" in Congress or nothing will happen. The detainee issue might help. The people speaking out will help. God help us we don't have another attack in the US (I'm almost cynically waiting for one), unless it's smack into the White House during a cabinet meeting, But I'm not sure even that will get us out of this. It may come down to the "streets and barricades."
Funny, I was thinking this was turning positive from a very negative beginning. Now I'm not sure!

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