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What I Didn't See in Iraq

By Jim McGovern, The Nation. Posted April 18, 2005.


A congressman explains why his recent visit to the war-torn country only served to reaffirm his opposition to the occupation.
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"Trust me when I tell you things are so much better in Iraq," said one U.S. military official to me on my recent visit to that war-ravaged country. I didn't know whether to scream or pull the remaining two strands of hair out of my head. I was in Iraq as part of a delegation of eight members of Congress, led by House minority leader Nancy Pelosi. Everything we have been told about Iraq by the Bush administration has either been an outright lie or overwhelmingly false. There were no weapons of mass destruction; we have not been greeted as liberators; and the cost in terms of blood and treasure has outpaced even their worst-case scenarios. Trust is something I cannot give to this administration.

If things in Iraq are so much better, why are we not decreasing the number of U.S. forces there? Why is the insurgency showing no signs of waning? Why are we being told that in a few months the administration will again ask Congress for billions of dollars more to fight the war? Why, according to the World Food Programme, is hunger among the Iraqi people getting worse? It's time for some candor, but candor is hard to come by in Iraq.

We were in Iraq for one day--for security reasons, it is U.S. policy that congressional delegations are not allowed to spend the night. We spent most of our time in the heavily fortified Green Zone, which serves as coalition headquarters. It's the most heavily guarded encampment I've ever seen--and it still gets attacked. I even had armed guards accompany me to the bathroom. The briefings we received from U.S. military and diplomatic officials were, to say the least, unsatisfying. The Nixonian approach that our military and diplomatic leaders have adopted in dealing with visiting members of Congress is aimed more at saving face than at engaging in an honest dialogue. At first, our briefers wanted to get away with slick slide presentations, but we insisted on asking real questions and attempting to get real answers.

During one such briefing, Lt. Gen. David Petraeus, tasked with overseeing training of Iraqi security forces, informed us that 147,000 Iraqis had been trained. That sounded good to me. Perhaps we could start reducing the number of American forces, I suggested. But upon further questioning, Gen. Petraeus conceded that less than one-fourth of the 147,000 were actually "combat capable." Why didn't he say that to begin with? I asked--respectfully--our military and diplomatic officials what the gap was between the Iraqis we have trained and the number we needed to train in order to draw down the number of U.S. troops. I could not get a straight answer.

During the morning of our visit, U.S. military officials crowed about a recent operation in which Iraqi security forces had killed 85 insurgents. By the afternoon, when more reports came in, it was unclear how many insurgents had actually been killed and whether the Iraqi security forces had exaggerated their own actions.

I asked both General Petraeus and our embassy about U.S. plans to build military bases in Iraq, which in my view would indicate a prolonged U.S. presence. I was told--emphatically--that there are no plans to construct military bases. Yet Congress recently passed a huge supplemental wartime appropriations bill that includes, at the request of the Bush administration, $500 million for military base construction. In Iraq.

Shortly before we traveled to Iraq we visited Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, who lamented the mistakes the United States has made post-invasion, including the total dissolution of all the Iraqi security forces. He said, "The army you disbanded is now the army you're fighting." But I couldn't get a single U.S. official to acknowledge any mistakes. The standard line remains, "We're moving in the right direction."

It's hard to believe that after a two-year occupation the average Iraqi isn't getting tired of the overwhelming U.S. presence. We met with several Iraqi women leaders, including members of the National Assembly, who told us that there was more electricity available in Iraq before the invasion than afterward. It's also certain that the insurgency uses our presence as an organizing tool to recruit members and weapons. While we can all be encouraged by the turnout in the recent Iraqi elections, it is impossible for the Iraqi people to truly determine their own fate in a climate where there is no security.

And while U.S. officials point to a declining number of coalition casualties, there is still an unacceptably high level of violence in Iraq. One military leader told us they can tell that things are changing for the better because when U.S. helicopters fly over certain areas of Iraq, Iraqis wave. Well, I took a helicopter ride (it's too dangerous to drive) from the Baghdad airport to the Green Zone wearing an armored vest and sandwiched between two heavily armed American soldiers who were pointing their guns down at the ground. I suggested to the military leader that perhaps he was confusing a wave with a plea not to shoot.

Our young men and women in uniform are performing their difficult duties extraordinarily well. Indeed, the only honest and direct responses I got from any American in Iraq were from the soldiers. They told me they had been instructed by their superiors not to share any complaints with visitors.

What worries me almost as much as our misguided policy in Iraq is that so many of my colleagues and so many citizens have become resigned to the fact that the war will go on. Congress is not being inundated with letters and phone calls and faxes and e-mails and street protests demanding an end to our presence in Iraq. President Bush's re-election seems to have taken much of the energy out of the anti-war movement. My recent visit to Iraq only strengthened my belief that this war is wrong. And only renewed, passionate dissent by the American people can end it.

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Jim McGovern is the representative of the Third Congressional District of Massachusetts.

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Mr.
Posted by: highdown@comcast.net on Apr 18, 2005 1:17 PM   
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Generally speaking the people of this country are very
uninformed. Sports and shopping are their main interest.
This country is in DEEP trouble. Just one thing"Bolton" he is the last person that should represent this country. Try to reason the purpose. One could assemble a whole list of such.
This government is doing great damage to this country and
has a plan that if known would shock the world.
When Bus was notified about 9/11 and sat motionless for 12
Min. did he know what was going to happen and was a little
fazed. Just think about what it did and what has happened
since. H.C.

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Yeah, What the Hell Happened to the Anti-War Movement?
Posted by: Tankerdeath on Apr 18, 2005 2:44 PM   
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Since Bush was re-elected, the anti-war movement has lost steam. Makes you wonder how many of the anti war people were really just anti-Bush and were using the war as nothing more than a convenient weapon to bring him down.

Where are all the people who don't give a fuck about who's in the White House and want this imbecility in Iraq to end?

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Saint Nicadic
Posted by: killer on Apr 18, 2005 7:42 PM   
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This cuntry has gone to hell in a hand basket. The Texas cowboys who are poking the calves, w/out condoms, out on the dusty trail are just now hunting sand negroes. An holding, 'the grand ole Opry oil raffle.' To hear them tell it. Yale graduates dressed up in real combat uniforms and not out on a skull and crossbones mission Well it warms the heart with patriotic ferver.

Does Gestapo ring a bell? Kind of like a KKK bonfire after a hot summer rally and a quick hanging by the local mob. Popcorn, hotdogs, soda, candy the voice of the vendor rang through the clamor of the mob as the artifacts were handily cut off the incinerated negro and parcelled out for souveneirs. Heil George!

Yes, by God if you delve into our racist genocidal history you will find a blood curling group of killers who prowl for the mere sport of the kill. Look at the Indian's, African's, and Asian's that ran afoul of the mighty White soldiers. When Whitety ran out of Indians he had a Civil War to kill his own kind. Lets' be realistic about this how long can a White person go without killing somone? Or making some unbearable madness beset some insanely disadvantaged group until life is worth less than a fudge sunday? White people one day your meat will taste sweet... Did anyone really think that 'Jim Crow,' grew up, grew a beard, became a beat-nik, then a hippy, went to Woodstuck, Vietnam, and then set the negroes free on the White man's house lawn in 63? Then settled down got a wife and had these wierd generation X compuker headed hay and lizardlike _reaks? Uh huh yeah right! And we are also going to find the mysterious face on Mars and learn about the secret UFO questions in the cornfield too?

One day a long, long, time from now when people are extinct and massive nuclear mutated cock roaches with super intelligence are holding forth it will strike them as odd that a race of such queer creatures could have ever existed here on this planet for as long as we did before disentegrating our species in a hail of radioactive ICBM's

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attention to detail
Posted by: gaspass on Apr 18, 2005 9:40 PM   
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Well, I took a helicopter ride...sandwiched between two heavily armed American soldiers who were pointing their guns down at the ground. I suggested to the military leader that perhaps he was confusing a wave with a plea not to shoot.

While trying not to quibble too much, it isn't clear to me that the soldiers were pointing their weapons out of the helicopter toward the ground vs simply assuming the standard safe position for their weapons while riding in a helo: muzzle down between the feet so that an accidental discharge won't go through the ceiling and damage the rotor/motor resulting in a deadly crash. I think the distinction is important since the anecdote is used to build an argument. Either it demonstrates a hostile stance that may continue to make us unpopular/shows how dangerous the situation is, or it is no more important than also commenting that everyone put on a seatbelt.

I repeatedly see otherwise effective arguments, particularly involving military issues, severely damaged when the author draws false conclusions from situations he/she doesn't understand or has misinterpreted. I'd like to think that the misinterpretation is out of ignorance, but sometimes I think it is an attempt to exploit a situation assuming that some readers won't notice. Either way, it draws the remainder of the arguments into (unnecessary) question. Certainly there are enough good arguments that Mr. McGovern could have used without throwing in this gratuitous image. If it was an honest mistake, next time ASK!

These sorts of slip-ups are a big part of the reason otherwise open-minded members of the military and their families so often discount progressive opinion. To connect with this group of people you must respect them. And I don't mean in a superficial "Support our Troops" bumper sticker sort of way. I mean in an almost cross-cultural way: understand the language, norms of behavior, and daily concerns. No one should expect to be taken seriously by the local population if they spend a day in an ethnically distinct neighborhood in one of our US cities and then try to interpret everything they saw in terms of their own neighborhood.

The military subculture is likewise distinct, justifiably proud, and resentful of misinterpretation. The more progressive writers and politicians respect this the more effective they'll be.

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Iraq: A View from Streets of Baghdad
Posted by: mebadgett on Apr 19, 2005 12:31 AM   
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Featuring Rick McDowell and Mary Trotochaud,
AFSC Iraq Country Representatives

After ten months in Baghdad, Rick and Mary bring a profoundly human view of the war, Iraq and its people, and the occupation:

Listen:

(56:15 minutes - mp3 download): http://gabrieljeffrey.com/link/1698

Real Player stream: http://gabrieljeffrey.com/link/1699

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George Dudley Warbeck
Posted by: George Dudley on Apr 19, 2005 5:35 AM   
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"One more such victory and we are lost."

Pyrrhus 319-272 B.C.
(After defeating the Roman's at Asculum, 279 B.C.)

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50,000,000 People
Posted by: NHGuyForFun on Apr 19, 2005 5:35 AM   
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50,000,000 people. Freed, creating 2 new democracies (Afghanistan and Iraq), changing the culture of death in those counties where on average 100,000 people a year were being murdered. Pakistan now and ally and stopped selling nukes and the greatest chance for peace between Pakistan and India since they were founded. Egypt having free elections for president for the first time. Lebanon pushing Syria out! Kazakhstan forcing democracy in the streets! Palestinian elections and a more vocal opposition in Iran! All because W had the courage to lead and take on hate and terrorism and despotism in the world. The Saudis now saying that woman can not be forced to marry. Afghan woman voting, working, getting educated, the same in Iran. None of this would have been possible without W. The party of Slavery, class warfare, The cold war, the KKK, the death culture, that got us in to Nam and then out of self loathing lost it is mad?!?!?! No big surprise there!!

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I Feel a Draft
Posted by: pcushnie on Apr 19, 2005 8:04 AM   
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I don't think we'll see an effective anti-war movement until the military draft is brought back. Is that going to happen? I can't say for certain, but I am inclined to believe it will if the madmen and criminals "running" this country continue their present course. Involuntary military servitude will bring the never-ending war "up close and personal." Barring that, I don't think much will change.

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» RE: I Feel a Draft Posted by: Ratmonster Spook
Anti-War Demonstators, tired of being targeted
Posted by: Andie927 on Apr 19, 2005 3:12 PM   
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On the issue of where the guns were aimed, it was very clear, he said"at the ground". The Iraqis might have been waving their arms to show they were unarmed.
Considering the number of anti-war demonstrators that have been arrested, including the pregnant wife of one soilder, others were targeted by 'the Feds', to Keep an Eye on, people get scared. Participants in nothing more hostile then groups meeting to discuss the war have been 'infiltrated', for being suspected terrorists. This is no joke, they lock you up as a terrorist, and you don't get a phone call, or a lawyer! No rite of Habious Corpus, they let you go when and if they feel like it. see 60 Minutes web page.
So much for freedom of speech, land of the free, ect!

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Reconstruction money??
Posted by: Milamdrapodu on Apr 20, 2005 10:28 AM   
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General Petraeus and the American embassy lied to Jim McGovern. Most of the money taken from the American taxpayers to "rebuild" Iraq is not being used to benefit the Iraqi people at all. It is being used to create PERMANENT American military bases. The military/industrial plutacracy has no intention of leaving Iraq and they never did.

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Just coincidence?
Posted by: Milamdrapodu on Apr 20, 2005 10:46 AM   
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"Not as tyrants have we come, but as liberators."
Adolph Hitler 1938

"We come not as conquerors, but as liberators."
George Bush 2003

I'm still waiting for George's victory parade through the streets of downtown Baghdad.

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What I Didn't See in Iraq: by Jim McGovern
Posted by: Frank on Apr 20, 2005 4:10 PM   
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Mr. Jim McGovern
Rrepresentative of the Third Congressional District of Massachusetts.

Jim wrote: "Before we traveled to Iraq we visited Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, who lamented the mistakes the United States has made post-invasion".

Well I’m glad to see you were so well informed on the US military before going to Iraq.

Jim wrote: "I was in Iraq as part of a delegation of eight members of Congress, led by House minority leader Nancy Pelosi. We were in Iraq for only one day--for security reasons. During the morning of our visit, U.S. military officials crowed about a recent operation in which Iraqi security forces had killed 85 insurgents. By the afternoon, when more reports came in, it was unclear how many insurgents had actually been killed and whether the Iraqi security forces had exaggerated their own actions".

Well Jimmy, war is hell, hu?

Jim asked: "If things in Iraq are so much better, why are we not decreasing the number of U.S. forces there?"

If you really and truly don’t honestly know the answer to this, then you should not be allowed to operate and drive a car or any other medium sized machinery, let alone working with Congress.

Jim asked: "Why is the insurgency showing no signs of waning?"

This is a question that aids and abets the enemy Jimmy.
The “insurgency” as you call it, is terrorism! The president said terrorists. Al jazeere arabic news calls them “insurgents” What’s your excuse? Outside the Green Zone they would cut your throat and make a video for your family. The very fact you choose to call these blood thirty barbaric animals “insurgents” and not what they truly are, clearly indicates you can NOT imagine the horror, fear and disgust felt by Kenneth Bigley right now as he sits in his own shit waiting to die. If that was your brother or son, I don’t think you would be calling them insurgents. Every U.S. military person over in Iraq are like brothers and sisters to each other. They can see right through you Jimmy boy and so can the terriorests.

This is the time to rally the troops, but instead you are berating them, calling them almost liars. With your attitude I’m surprised they spoke with you at all.

You are not qualified Sir to represent the Third Congressional District of Massachusetts or any other state in our great land.

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NHGuyForFun is delusional
Posted by: Chiron on Apr 21, 2005 1:18 AM   
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If you say it often enough - especially in shallow sound bites - there are a whole lot of people who will believe it. Thus the 2004 (re?)election of George W. It would require 3 or 4 thousand words, minimum, to debunk the twisted half-truths & outright falsehoods here.

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Mr.
Posted by: robchapman on Apr 22, 2005 5:42 AM   
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A letter writer accused Mr. McGovern of aiding and abetting the enemy.
The Arabs are not my enemy. The Arabs present no threat to me.
The fanatics on both sides who think that gunfire is the proper riposte to honest disagreement are MY enemies, whether they are American or any other nationality.
The Arabs deserve the right to self determination.
Withdraw the Coalition forces immediately and let them have it.

Robert Chapman
Ithaca, New York

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yellowdog
Posted by: susiespf on Apr 26, 2005 7:36 PM   
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i appreciate rep. mcgovern's trip to iraq, to try to suss out the reality , as opposed to the 'spin that people are fed. the lack of ongoing coverage of iraq makes it way to easy for mast of the us to forget about it. i have continued to contact my [blue- wi.] reps about it, and have been hounding n.p.r. for their very sporadic coverage of daily casualties.please feel free to join me, the # is . i figure i can't really affect fox, or cnn, but some org that has to beg money from listeners might be more responsive. i spent 20 min. this last weekend looking at pix that my son had taken, during his tour in iraq- a bizarre and disturbing juxtaposition of dead americans and iraqis, in various states of dismemberment and decay, interspert w/ pix of the guys he served w/ on post. that was his reality, so i made myself sit and look at these horrifying images, knowing that those were images that would be in my boy's brain, for the fest of his life. maybe i should e-mail them to the white house, and d.o.d., since they are so clue-less . this war isn't costing them anything, and they obviously don't care about the soldiers, and even more, lately the iraqis, who are baring the cost. i think the anti-war feeling is still strong, but people [ or at least myself] want to feel that what we do- letters, blogs, protests, will have an affect. everything has an opportunity cost- if you spend 2 days on busses to d.c.,for a protest, you want to believe that it will make a difference, and since this admin. is so effective at ignoring dissent, and manipulating the media, sometimes protests seem ineffectual. the sentiment is there, it is seeking a useful outlet.

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