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Is Obama Following in the Footsteps of Bill Clinton?
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With Obama pushing a huge troop escalation in Afghanistan, history may well repeat itself with a vengeance. And it’s not just the apt comparison to LBJ, who destroyed his presidency on the battlefields of Vietnam with an escalation that delivered power to Nixon and the GOP.
There’s another frightening parallel: Obama seems to be following in the footsteps of Bill Clinton, who accomplished perhaps his single biggest legislative “triumph” -- NAFTA -- thanks to an alliance with Republicans that overcame strong Democratic and grassroots opposition.
It was 16 years ago this month when Clinton assembled his coalition with the GOP to bulldoze public skepticism about the trade treaty and overpower a stop-NAFTA movement led by unions, environmentalists and consumer rights groups. How did Clinton win his majority in Congress? With the votes of almost 80 percent of GOP senators and nearly 70 percent of House Republicans. Democrats in the House voted against NAFTA by more than 3 to 2, with fierce opponents including the Democratic majority leader and majority whip.
To get a majority today in Congress on Afghanistan, the Obama White House is apparently bent on a strategy replicating the tragic farce that Clinton pulled off: Ignore the informed doubts of your own party while making common cause with extremist Republicans who never accepted your presidency in the first place.
“Deather” conspiracists are not new to the Grand Old Party. Clinton engendered a similar loathing on the right despite his centrist, corporate-friendly policies. When conservative Republican leaders like Newt Gingrich and Dick Armey delivered to Clinton (and corporate elites) the NAFTA victory, it didn’t slow down right-wing operatives who circulated wacky videos accusing Clinton death squads of murdering reporters and others.
For those who elected Obama, it’s important to remember the downward spiral that was accelerated by Clinton’s GOP alliance to pass NAFTA. It should set off alarm bells for us today on Afghanistan.
NAFTA was quickly followed by the debacle of Clinton healthcare “reform” largely drafted by giant insurance companies, which was followed by a stunning election defeat for Congressional Democrats in November 1994, as progressive and labor activists were lethargic while rightwing activists in overdrive put Gingrich into the Speaker’s chair.
A year later, advised by his chief political strategist Dick Morris (yes, the Obama-basher now at Fox), Clinton declared: “The era of big government is over.” In the coming years, Clinton proved that the era of big business was far from over -- working with Republican leaders to grant corporate welfare to media conglomerates (1996 Telecom Act) and investment banks (1999 abolition of the Glass-Steagall Act).
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Posted by: peridot on Nov 26, 2009 1:03 AM
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» Obama is not misinformed, stupid or scared
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» RE: Obama is not misinformed, stupid or scared...?
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» Obama is the servant of the Corporations.
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» RE: Obama is not ONLY misinformed, stupid and/or scared, he is now...
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» Yes there is... DEMAND CHANGE!
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Posted by: writerman on Nov 26, 2009 1:07 AM
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Obama is a classic case of an old, worn out, product, receiving a new, flashy, and apparently successful, make-over or rebranding. In this case, the Presidency. Let's face it, after Bush this was hardly a gargantuan task. Though to be fair to Bush, the last couple of years of his regime, after his wings were clipped definitively, were actually not that bad compared to what Obama has in store for us.
It's important to understand that Obama, when he talks about 'finishing the job' in Afghanistan, is essentially talking about finishing the 'job' George Bush started but was constrained from 'finishing' because he'd used up his quota of foreign policy 'disasters' with the American people; Obama, on the other hand, still has a lot of capital to waste on gigantic, military, crimes, far from America's shores. So, Obama is actually attempting to finish Bush's job! This from a leader who subtly and cleverly possitioned himself as the peace candidate and an alternative to raw imperialism, is a betrayal on a truly historic scale.
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» if Obama is so ambitious, why isn't he a rich corporate lawyer?
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» Because he had to start somewhere?
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» RE: Some love money, others love power,
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» Clinton and Obama- End of Liberalism the Democratic Party
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» We haven't had a true "Liberal" in the democratic party since Eugene McCarthy!
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Posted by: mmckinl on Nov 26, 2009 1:07 AM
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~ Even more trillions for Banksters ..
~ More troops and trillions for War
~ Less privacy ... more domestic spying
~ Industry appointments in every important position ...
~ Back room deals on health care despite promises of transparency. Then undercutting any real reform by constantly sending mixed messages from the White House.
And the list of Obama's betrayals goes on and on. At least with Bush you knew what you were getting. With Obama it is a pack of lies, a program of deceit.
The "Community Organizer" sold the "audacity of hope" to an adoring following and gave them a bitter betrayal ...
Clinton triangulated behind our backs. Obama just sticks the knife in deep.
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» RE: Now What?
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» All true - but he ran a brilliant campaign
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Posted by: sicntired on Nov 26, 2009 2:36 AM
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Posted by: NowAge on Nov 26, 2009 2:42 AM
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Posted by: Suzon on Nov 26, 2009 2:44 AM
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To gain a more realistic understanding of what Obama is up against, you must read Memoirs of an Economic Hitman written by a man who was recruited by corporate interests to threaten newly elected leaders.
Perhaps someone with more e-skills will post a link!
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» Right, anybody else would be as bad as Bambam...
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Posted by: truthteller on Nov 26, 2009 2:46 AM
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I am sick and tired of being told to be "realistic" in my political expectations. Yes it was a great thing to elect the first black President, but not one so "owned" by corporate interests of all kinds. We are so screwed as a country and a World it leads me to despair. We need to quit being an over-consuming empire, stealing the rest of the World's resources, and taking a collective dump in the ecosystem. We must greatly reduce our population, can consumerism, and live a more simple, sustainable life. None of of the political leadership to do that is ever going to come from Obama, or anyone else in the establishment.
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» I too, supported Kucinich in the primaries
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Nov 26, 2009 3:00 AM
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The article misses an important distinction between Clinton's alleged alliance with the Republicans and Obama's sell-out.
Clinton forged his alliance at the height of the Republican Revolution. Goofy neocon ideas like free trade had swept through the Democratic Party like a nasty flu.
They were all doing it. Remember how Al Gore embarrassed the hapless Ross Perot in their Vice-Presidential debate? How funny it was that this upstart third-party candidate should dare to question the gospel of free trade!
This was Al Gore--not Bill Clinton. Jimmy Carter was also doing it. Virtually the whole damn party was doing it. The Republican Revolution was approaching its zenith. Milton Friedman was a genius and life was an Ayn Rand novel.
I'm not saying this justifies Democrats acting like neocons. But it's useful to remember how utterly BURIED in neocon memes we were back then--and with no internet to help us. Most people honest-to-God believed the United States had turned into a nation of guys in pick-up trucks. Bill Clinton was a Democratic fish swimming in an ocean of conservative memes. It made a certain amount of sense that he might have to adapt to the circumstances.
But Obama has no such excuse. Everything is different now. The Republican Revolution has crashed and burned beyond all belief. The Republican Party was on its knees, broken and bleeding and utterly disgraced, when Obama came along.
And yet the Bammer has gone on to do things that make Bill Clinton seem like Dennis Kucinich. Handing trillions to the banksters, for example. Or continuing war crimes and fascist policies. Or refusing to sign the treaty against land mines, which I just heard about this morning. It's just one big gross-out after another--from a man who posed as a progressive, no less.
Republican alliances should be especially easy for Obama, because Obama is basically a neocon.
As Senator, he voted for the Cheney energy bill, which no Democrat would do.
In fact, no Democrat in history has done such far-right things as Barack Obama--and all this AFTER the Republican Revolution had been disgraced. In everyone's eyes but the President's, it would seem. Obama says great things; but he's a flaming neocon.
As for Obama hiring Clinton holdovers: isn't it odd that Clinton had such success with the same people who are ruining things now? How did Clinton turn the biggest deficit in history into the biggest surplus and preside over the longest sustained period of economic growth in U.S. history, with higher income at all levels, etc., with these nincompoops working for him?
It's clear Obama will accomplish none of the things Clinton did. Did the Clinton advisers lose their mojo, or is Obama just a bad leader? Don't ask me; I voted for Cynthia McKinney.
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Posted by: sdz on Nov 26, 2009 4:41 AM
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Had the American middle class taken the reform path in 1972 instead of the reactionary path....
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Posted by: cberkland on Nov 26, 2009 5:41 AM
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That is not a democracy. It's a fraud. It's fake. Without true representation, the masses are powerless. The bottom line is the men who run our large corporations are running the country for their benefit. Why else would wars continue and a health care option be close to impossible? Can we change it? Public uprising? Watch the business/government plutocracy turn our own military against us. I don't know how we can get the change we voted for but aren't getting.
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Posted by: leland61 on Nov 26, 2009 5:46 AM
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It was Clinton and his cabal of sudkers-up to the rich and their corporations who presided over one of the most draconian changes in welfare legislation in the history of the USA. He was more of an enemy of the people than even that murderous thug, Regan.
It was under his watch that tens of thousands of children in Iraq suffered starvation and inadequate medical care; radioacive poinioning from the use of depleted uranium in weapons. He was responsible for the slaughter of Serbs to save the sorry asses of a bunch of Muslim terrorists.
Now we have someone following the same policies as Clinton. Why? Because unless you are prepared to do what the bankers and the big business criminal class of kleptocrats demand, you can't get elected to begin with.
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Posted by: mwildfire on Nov 26, 2009 5:57 AM
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I'm not sure what we can do about this but it begins with recognizing reality: we will never pull our country or the world out of the deep crises into which they're sinking by "electing good people to office"--that game is THOROUGHLY controlled.
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Posted by: bigbrother on Nov 26, 2009 6:44 AM
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Second democrats seem to be all over the place regarding what they support. Far left types haven't taken over the entire party as many would seem. Many democrats are still concerned about the welfare of those that got them into office.
The fact that unions were against NAFTA should tell you something, they are not the most popular group in many parts of the nation and Clinton had no use for them - (Reagan just broke their criminal grip on the nation).
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Posted by: cynyk on Nov 26, 2009 6:50 AM
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 26, 2009 7:33 AM
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The problem was that wages need to rise to maintain consumption and that wasn't happening for anyone but those at the top...so even with productivity increases there was no longer a funded market in the US...it was tapped out... more money going to pay for housing, education and health care and, without trade deficits, consumer money was leaving the country and any 'reinvestment' was happening abroad--any multiplier effect from consumer purchases in the States was mitigated by the foreign sourcing--and profits were kept offshore through transfer pricing and other schemes so tax receipts did not rise as much as they should have.
As the years went by, dollars pumped into the econmy had less and less of an effect till finally, the bubble burst and the implosion is occurring.
We are paying for the Clinton--and even the Reagan/Bush-- financial profligacy today. Of course, people only remember the good times under Clinton and Bush--not the fall they were being set up for .
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Nov 26, 2009 7:49 AM
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Granted there is shit he did that came right out of the Orwellian DLC's BS euphanism of a Plateform of the 'Third Way'.(There is only One way in a Democracy, We the Peoples, not the Corps even dolled up in a Blue pantsuit).
The Reagan years was a radical swing to the Right.
Beyond that, We have 3 branches of Gov't.Two of which handle and haggle domestic and foreign policy. Clinton only had 2 yrs with a Dem Congress. So placing unilateral glory or blame on Clinton is a falsehood to begin with.
Remember 'Contract with America', apparently the small print read- The Corps are free to steal everything we have and sink US several Trillion in Debt.
But the Neo Cons had begun breaking ground on this founation excavation before Clinton ever took office. Sen McCains S&L Scandals involving the Keating 5?
Obama is in a similar position, but with far more shit on his plate. Clinton was handed a mild recession and some ex bedfellows of the CIA from the '80s, gone bad.
Obama Doemstic and international economic collapse. Two clusterfucks for Wars. Uneployment rates close to the Great depression in some areas (Flint, MI 28%?). Not to mention all the burned our International Bridges he need to reconstitute.Add on the Racist, delusional zealots and various othe rsociopaths, and Obama has faced more than Clinton did in his 8 yrs. You have to go back to FDR to even begin an true comparison.
The Far Left need a reality check as desperately as the Far Right. There is no magic wands, no teleporters (to the future or the past). There is no Easy Button. We need all hands on deck, so throwing people overboard is counterproductive to eliciting their help. I hate Wall Street and would love to see them all prosecuted for economic treason. But right now we need all the help we can get, even from those who crashed the ship to begin with. Hang 'em from the yardarm later.
The Obama admin not only has to walk back about 40 yrs of how business has been done, but what people have been lead to believe.
How many people still are unable to comprehend the fact that the nouns Labor, Taxpayer and consumers are the same person. So by cutting labors pay, you only succeed in having less people to pay taxes, and derail consumerism.
consumers don't drive an economy- The amount of Disposable income drives the economy. FYI Repugs Taxes pay for our national defense. Tax cuts does Not support the troops.
This country was given HGB in the Reagan era, and we were jolted Awake when the markets collapsed. This is why so many are swinging wildly like startled sleepwalkers. They literally have no idea where they are because they have no idea about how they got here.
Obama I hope will lead the way to a succession of Liberally minded Presidencies or public servants. Patience has always been a Progressives strength, lets not blow it now.
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Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Nov 26, 2009 7:56 AM
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Posted by: AmyDugan on Nov 26, 2009 9:45 AM
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check out my Bill Clinton blog
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Posted by: Jersey Devil on Nov 26, 2009 11:39 AM
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Posted by: mizobe on Nov 26, 2009 11:40 AM
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His constituency wants the end to all the illegal wars NOW! They want an end to Wall Street. They want an end to The Health Insurance industry. End the ethnic cleansing war on drugs.
They want clean, renewable energy.
BUT, for some reason he still feels a need to make Massa happy.
It's like the junkie who likes cops. It's like the a Gay republican. It's like the woman who loves that man who beats her...get a clue and quit acting like a dumb houseboy!!
Some people have this need to be accepted by the very bully who picks on them etc. etc. etc.
Hey Obama! Quit acting like a slave nigga!
Massa didn't elect you. We did!
When Massa'a house burned down the field nigga said, "We free now!" while the house nigga said "What we gon do, where we gon live."
So Obama, what's it going to be? A proud Black man elected by a vast majority of intelligent progressives who understand that this country is circling the drain or are you just another step'n'fetch it slave boy doing Massa's dirty work?
Make up your mind and choose a side so WE the electorate knows how to treat you. Man or Boy?
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» Obama's C.V., told us exactly what he was...the people who voted for him...
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Posted by: moloko velocet on Nov 26, 2009 12:10 PM
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Nov 26, 2009 12:23 PM
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In reality, of course, the Obama administration is the Bush II admin with a smiley face.
But in many ways, so was Clinton. Clinton made me a Green (and many thousands of others), when I realized he was really a Republican in a donkey suit.
Jeff Cohen may not realize it yet, but he just jumped ship. There will be more. At this point, millions of progressives are having their "Oh, Shit" moment. They are realizing they've been had, and they're wondering what comes next.
As Cohen points out, what usually comes next is a swing back to the Republicans. That's when we all accept that there are only 2 options. As long as we accept that, the giant corporations and their political flunkies have us where they want us.
So there's the challenge: how do we keep this Conservadem government from handing us back to the OPEN Republicans, who feel free to do even worse? No more smiley face for you!
We have 2 choices: we can watch the Republican juggernaut bear down on us, or we can swing our efforts to real progressive alternatives and take advantage of the anti-incumbency sentiment surging around us.
Let me put it this way: even Democrat loyalists better HOPE the Greens do well next year, rather than the Republicans. Yes, it could throw some elections to Republicans; but it also throws things open. Under plurality voting, in a 3-way race you can potentially win with only 34% of the vote - even less,as the number of candidates goes up. That's what Tony Blair got, the last time around. In Mexico, it was 38% - only they both got that, so with no runoff they nearly had a war over it.
We have less than a year now.
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Posted by: Longdream on Nov 26, 2009 4:06 PM
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NAFTA was quickly followed by the debacle of Clinton healthcare “reform” largely drafted by giant insurance companies,...
Hillary Clinton's task force on health care in 1993 was held without benefit of input from any concerned industry. The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons along with other groups brought suit against Clinton and Donna Shalala to learn the names of the people who were meeting behind closed doors to turn the health care system upside down. They won that suit, along with damages to pay their legal fees, but the award was overturned on appeal.
I recall Hillary being asked if she or the President were at all concerned that the health insurance companies, who employ very many people in the country, would effectively go out of business. She snapped, "Well, they'll just have to find another line of work!"
When the naive, coercive plan was unveiled, it was the health insurance industry that campaigned against it the hardest. Those "Harry and Louise" ads? They were paid for by the Health Insurance Association of America.
So please don't try to tell us that the bill was drafted by huge insurance companies. We are not stupid.
The Obama Administration is going about things in a more sophisticated way, is not naive enough to think that they should end an entire industry with a wave of its hand, and are determined not to repeat the Clintons' mistakes.
I know this annoys all the CORPORATIONS--BAD!! people, but knee-jerkers are just jerks anyway.
And I personally DO NOT APPRECIATE the LOUSY RESEARCH that produced this article. Do you people think you can say whatever you want, regardless of the facts?? Talk about dumbing down!
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Posted by: Longdream on Nov 26, 2009 7:25 PM
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And you called someone else an "Obama Basher". Right. Well I guess that title can be shared across the lines of whatever party or group you subscribe to.
Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting, my ass.
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Posted by: Constitution on Nov 27, 2009 1:06 AM
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He could have bought all the mortgages at a reduced price and the banks went and lost their shirts but he didn't. He could slap a big terrace on all goods coming in to the country even if it was made by American company but I don't think he will.
Hatred of pullout of NAFTA and all free-trade agreements which is killing the country but I don't think you will. So all the jobs will continue to leave the country. He's probably a Bill Clinton I hope our.
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Posted by: aahpat on Nov 27, 2009 6:25 AM
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As much as it pained me to NOT vote for the person who obviously was about to become America's first black president it also was obvious that Obama was following in the footsteps of the right-wing of the Democratic Party.
It is more important, to me, that I vote my values than to vote for any individual or cult. Obama is a cult of personality. An empty suit. The Obama promise of "change" was obviously only skin deep.
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Posted by: aahpat on Nov 27, 2009 7:25 AM
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The real purpose of the War on Drugs of Richard Nixon, in collusion with the Dixie-crats in congress in 1970, was to undermine, subvert and neutralize the electoral and political empowerment provided to poor and minority communities by 1.) the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and 2.) the 26st Amendment of 1971.
The fact that the only Democrats electable today are right-wing pandering Democrats like Bill Clinton and Barack Obama is a testament to the only real success of the War on Drugs.
The War on Drugs has economically and electorally dis-empowered the disaffected in minority and poor communities with criminal disenfranchisement and the easy tax free opportunity of the drug markets.
I need to digress here.
Jim Crow, until 1965, stood on two legs. 1.) Direct denial of access to elections and polling with unfair restrictions. The VRA effectively ended most such practices. 2.) The more insidious practice of criminal disenfranchisement based on trumped up morals laws. Including drug laws. Social justice advocates were effectively neutralized from advocating against this practice because they would be demonized as defending criminals and addicts. Ignoring the fact that 90% of intoxicant drug users are neither criminals nor are they addicts. Demonization is good at inaccurately stereotyping large populations of people.
Drug convictions have disenfranchised tens of millions of Americans in the past forty years. Not only minorities but disaffected young people of all races are targeted. Anyone willing to question the drug laws by smoking a joint may be willing to question other dogma and dictates of the right-wing status quo. The use of an intoxicant drug then becomes a litmus test for social conformity.
As generations of criminally disenfranchised take their disaffection back to their communities family, friends and children are exposed to their lack of faith in the rule of law, justice and the social justice promise of America.
Economically the War on Drugs floods poverty oppressed economic and education deprived populations with easy money. Tax free money. Money that entices under-advantaged children and adults alike in crime and addiction. This easy opportunity is a 'fish-in-a-barrel' opportunity for drug warriors to sweep large groups of youth from the streets and criminalize them. Sending them into the political nether-world of criminal disenfranchisement.
So many minority and nonconformist Americans have been electorally and socially dis-empowered over the past forty years of the War on Drugs that Democrats have lost their base. There are no more large and growing urban populations with good union jobs. What jobs there are are reserved to those who can pass criminal background and urine tests.
The result of all of this is that, starting in the early 1990's, the Democrats gave up on the poor, minorities and the political left that traditionally gave Democrats their activist foot soldiers during elections. These were the groups that had gotten out in the streets against Jim Crow and the unjust Vietnam War. These were the groups that the nation responded to with the Voting Rights Act and the 26st Amendment. And these were the groups targeted for dis-empowerment by Richard Nixon and the Dixie-crats under the guise of the War on Drugs.
Today no Democrat can get elected who is not a right-wing pandering conservative such as Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. while they talk a great social justice line in the elections in the end they get their campaign finances from the right-wing corporate and Jim Crow dictators of America.
PLEASE SEE THE CONCLUSION COMMENT
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Posted by: mikmojo06 on Nov 27, 2009 8:47 AM
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Posted by: ZPaul on Nov 27, 2009 11:17 AM
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We, the people are the only, fading but still living hope for this country and for this world if we do not want the human race to disappear soon.
I'm not offering any great "plan", that's what all politicians do. They offer a "plan" to "do it all for you" They are not there for you and me.
Unless the people put pressure on this administration, it and the world will continue to be ruled by the Big Boys. They will never willingly give up their power - never.
If we, the people, unite right where we are, whatever our situation may be and whatever our condition, and organize and pressure these people who supposedly represent us, there is hope for true democracy, true socialism, a truly libertarian way of life. If we don't, this country, the world, the human race is heading where you and I know it is heading now: utter destruction. It's up to us.
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Posted by: mikmojo06 on Nov 27, 2009 5:34 PM
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So I hold my nose and still support right wing Obama. My only hope in this one party system is that a lesser evil may do less harm. My support remains, but tepid. I will though with passion and dollars help those who run in primaries against those on the right, both bare and cloaked.
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Posted by: talkville on Nov 28, 2009 10:27 PM
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At work nowadays it is not Republicans vs Democrats that are vying and jockeying for power, but rather Liberals and Conservatives -- in the strictest meaning of those 18th century political-economic formations. Democracy is not inherent to either one -- it is merely expedient, useful and disposable as circumstances dictate.
We've been importing and integrating British cultural capital for about 15 to 20 years now in all aspects of life, art and literature and film. This is evident in Liberal as well as Conservative media from the popular and vulgar to the refined and mannerly. I wouldn't be surprised if in 20 years or so we're not "voting" for an Americanized form of Constitutional Monarchy or something right along with its State Religion.!!
Our democratic procedures are exclusively formal -- all they do is legitimize this 25-year long project of privatization and imperial expansion that hasn't missed a step since those days.
One thing's for sure: a privatized Public Space is most certainly a direct and blatant contradiction to any rational concept of the term "Republic"! Obama is no exception to the trend.
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» Obama is not misinformed, stupid or scared
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» Obama is the servant of the Corporations.
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Posted by: writerman on Nov 26, 2009 1:07 AM
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Obama is a classic case of an old, worn out, product, receiving a new, flashy, and apparently successful, make-over or rebranding. In this case, the Presidency. Let's face it, after Bush this was hardly a gargantuan task. Though to be fair to Bush, the last couple of years of his regime, after his wings were clipped definitively, were actually not that bad compared to what Obama has in store for us.
It's important to understand that Obama, when he talks about 'finishing the job' in Afghanistan, is essentially talking about finishing the 'job' George Bush started but was constrained from 'finishing' because he'd used up his quota of foreign policy 'disasters' with the American people; Obama, on the other hand, still has a lot of capital to waste on gigantic, military, crimes, far from America's shores. So, Obama is actually attempting to finish Bush's job! This from a leader who subtly and cleverly possitioned himself as the peace candidate and an alternative to raw imperialism, is a betrayal on a truly historic scale.
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» if Obama is so ambitious, why isn't he a rich corporate lawyer?
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» Because he had to start somewhere?
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» Clinton and Obama- End of Liberalism the Democratic Party
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» We haven't had a true "Liberal" in the democratic party since Eugene McCarthy!
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Posted by: mmckinl on Nov 26, 2009 1:07 AM
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~ Even more trillions for Banksters ..
~ More troops and trillions for War
~ Less privacy ... more domestic spying
~ Industry appointments in every important position ...
~ Back room deals on health care despite promises of transparency. Then undercutting any real reform by constantly sending mixed messages from the White House.
And the list of Obama's betrayals goes on and on. At least with Bush you knew what you were getting. With Obama it is a pack of lies, a program of deceit.
The "Community Organizer" sold the "audacity of hope" to an adoring following and gave them a bitter betrayal ...
Clinton triangulated behind our backs. Obama just sticks the knife in deep.
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» All true - but he ran a brilliant campaign
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Posted by: Suzon on Nov 26, 2009 2:44 AM
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To gain a more realistic understanding of what Obama is up against, you must read Memoirs of an Economic Hitman written by a man who was recruited by corporate interests to threaten newly elected leaders.
Perhaps someone with more e-skills will post a link!
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Posted by: truthteller on Nov 26, 2009 2:46 AM
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I am sick and tired of being told to be "realistic" in my political expectations. Yes it was a great thing to elect the first black President, but not one so "owned" by corporate interests of all kinds. We are so screwed as a country and a World it leads me to despair. We need to quit being an over-consuming empire, stealing the rest of the World's resources, and taking a collective dump in the ecosystem. We must greatly reduce our population, can consumerism, and live a more simple, sustainable life. None of of the political leadership to do that is ever going to come from Obama, or anyone else in the establishment.
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Nov 26, 2009 3:00 AM
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The article misses an important distinction between Clinton's alleged alliance with the Republicans and Obama's sell-out.
Clinton forged his alliance at the height of the Republican Revolution. Goofy neocon ideas like free trade had swept through the Democratic Party like a nasty flu.
They were all doing it. Remember how Al Gore embarrassed the hapless Ross Perot in their Vice-Presidential debate? How funny it was that this upstart third-party candidate should dare to question the gospel of free trade!
This was Al Gore--not Bill Clinton. Jimmy Carter was also doing it. Virtually the whole damn party was doing it. The Republican Revolution was approaching its zenith. Milton Friedman was a genius and life was an Ayn Rand novel.
I'm not saying this justifies Democrats acting like neocons. But it's useful to remember how utterly BURIED in neocon memes we were back then--and with no internet to help us. Most people honest-to-God believed the United States had turned into a nation of guys in pick-up trucks. Bill Clinton was a Democratic fish swimming in an ocean of conservative memes. It made a certain amount of sense that he might have to adapt to the circumstances.
But Obama has no such excuse. Everything is different now. The Republican Revolution has crashed and burned beyond all belief. The Republican Party was on its knees, broken and bleeding and utterly disgraced, when Obama came along.
And yet the Bammer has gone on to do things that make Bill Clinton seem like Dennis Kucinich. Handing trillions to the banksters, for example. Or continuing war crimes and fascist policies. Or refusing to sign the treaty against land mines, which I just heard about this morning. It's just one big gross-out after another--from a man who posed as a progressive, no less.
Republican alliances should be especially easy for Obama, because Obama is basically a neocon.
As Senator, he voted for the Cheney energy bill, which no Democrat would do.
In fact, no Democrat in history has done such far-right things as Barack Obama--and all this AFTER the Republican Revolution had been disgraced. In everyone's eyes but the President's, it would seem. Obama says great things; but he's a flaming neocon.
As for Obama hiring Clinton holdovers: isn't it odd that Clinton had such success with the same people who are ruining things now? How did Clinton turn the biggest deficit in history into the biggest surplus and preside over the longest sustained period of economic growth in U.S. history, with higher income at all levels, etc., with these nincompoops working for him?
It's clear Obama will accomplish none of the things Clinton did. Did the Clinton advisers lose their mojo, or is Obama just a bad leader? Don't ask me; I voted for Cynthia McKinney.
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Posted by: sdz on Nov 26, 2009 4:41 AM
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Had the American middle class taken the reform path in 1972 instead of the reactionary path....
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Posted by: cberkland on Nov 26, 2009 5:41 AM
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That is not a democracy. It's a fraud. It's fake. Without true representation, the masses are powerless. The bottom line is the men who run our large corporations are running the country for their benefit. Why else would wars continue and a health care option be close to impossible? Can we change it? Public uprising? Watch the business/government plutocracy turn our own military against us. I don't know how we can get the change we voted for but aren't getting.
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Posted by: leland61 on Nov 26, 2009 5:46 AM
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It was Clinton and his cabal of sudkers-up to the rich and their corporations who presided over one of the most draconian changes in welfare legislation in the history of the USA. He was more of an enemy of the people than even that murderous thug, Regan.
It was under his watch that tens of thousands of children in Iraq suffered starvation and inadequate medical care; radioacive poinioning from the use of depleted uranium in weapons. He was responsible for the slaughter of Serbs to save the sorry asses of a bunch of Muslim terrorists.
Now we have someone following the same policies as Clinton. Why? Because unless you are prepared to do what the bankers and the big business criminal class of kleptocrats demand, you can't get elected to begin with.
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Posted by: mwildfire on Nov 26, 2009 5:57 AM
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I'm not sure what we can do about this but it begins with recognizing reality: we will never pull our country or the world out of the deep crises into which they're sinking by "electing good people to office"--that game is THOROUGHLY controlled.
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Posted by: bigbrother on Nov 26, 2009 6:44 AM
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Second democrats seem to be all over the place regarding what they support. Far left types haven't taken over the entire party as many would seem. Many democrats are still concerned about the welfare of those that got them into office.
The fact that unions were against NAFTA should tell you something, they are not the most popular group in many parts of the nation and Clinton had no use for them - (Reagan just broke their criminal grip on the nation).
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 26, 2009 7:33 AM
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The problem was that wages need to rise to maintain consumption and that wasn't happening for anyone but those at the top...so even with productivity increases there was no longer a funded market in the US...it was tapped out... more money going to pay for housing, education and health care and, without trade deficits, consumer money was leaving the country and any 'reinvestment' was happening abroad--any multiplier effect from consumer purchases in the States was mitigated by the foreign sourcing--and profits were kept offshore through transfer pricing and other schemes so tax receipts did not rise as much as they should have.
As the years went by, dollars pumped into the econmy had less and less of an effect till finally, the bubble burst and the implosion is occurring.
We are paying for the Clinton--and even the Reagan/Bush-- financial profligacy today. Of course, people only remember the good times under Clinton and Bush--not the fall they were being set up for .
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Nov 26, 2009 7:49 AM
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Granted there is shit he did that came right out of the Orwellian DLC's BS euphanism of a Plateform of the 'Third Way'.(There is only One way in a Democracy, We the Peoples, not the Corps even dolled up in a Blue pantsuit).
The Reagan years was a radical swing to the Right.
Beyond that, We have 3 branches of Gov't.Two of which handle and haggle domestic and foreign policy. Clinton only had 2 yrs with a Dem Congress. So placing unilateral glory or blame on Clinton is a falsehood to begin with.
Remember 'Contract with America', apparently the small print read- The Corps are free to steal everything we have and sink US several Trillion in Debt.
But the Neo Cons had begun breaking ground on this founation excavation before Clinton ever took office. Sen McCains S&L Scandals involving the Keating 5?
Obama is in a similar position, but with far more shit on his plate. Clinton was handed a mild recession and some ex bedfellows of the CIA from the '80s, gone bad.
Obama Doemstic and international economic collapse. Two clusterfucks for Wars. Uneployment rates close to the Great depression in some areas (Flint, MI 28%?). Not to mention all the burned our International Bridges he need to reconstitute.Add on the Racist, delusional zealots and various othe rsociopaths, and Obama has faced more than Clinton did in his 8 yrs. You have to go back to FDR to even begin an true comparison.
The Far Left need a reality check as desperately as the Far Right. There is no magic wands, no teleporters (to the future or the past). There is no Easy Button. We need all hands on deck, so throwing people overboard is counterproductive to eliciting their help. I hate Wall Street and would love to see them all prosecuted for economic treason. But right now we need all the help we can get, even from those who crashed the ship to begin with. Hang 'em from the yardarm later.
The Obama admin not only has to walk back about 40 yrs of how business has been done, but what people have been lead to believe.
How many people still are unable to comprehend the fact that the nouns Labor, Taxpayer and consumers are the same person. So by cutting labors pay, you only succeed in having less people to pay taxes, and derail consumerism.
consumers don't drive an economy- The amount of Disposable income drives the economy. FYI Repugs Taxes pay for our national defense. Tax cuts does Not support the troops.
This country was given HGB in the Reagan era, and we were jolted Awake when the markets collapsed. This is why so many are swinging wildly like startled sleepwalkers. They literally have no idea where they are because they have no idea about how they got here.
Obama I hope will lead the way to a succession of Liberally minded Presidencies or public servants. Patience has always been a Progressives strength, lets not blow it now.
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check out my Bill Clinton blog
http://adugan-billclintonblog.blogspot.com/
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Posted by: mizobe on Nov 26, 2009 11:40 AM
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His constituency wants the end to all the illegal wars NOW! They want an end to Wall Street. They want an end to The Health Insurance industry. End the ethnic cleansing war on drugs.
They want clean, renewable energy.
BUT, for some reason he still feels a need to make Massa happy.
It's like the junkie who likes cops. It's like the a Gay republican. It's like the woman who loves that man who beats her...get a clue and quit acting like a dumb houseboy!!
Some people have this need to be accepted by the very bully who picks on them etc. etc. etc.
Hey Obama! Quit acting like a slave nigga!
Massa didn't elect you. We did!
When Massa'a house burned down the field nigga said, "We free now!" while the house nigga said "What we gon do, where we gon live."
So Obama, what's it going to be? A proud Black man elected by a vast majority of intelligent progressives who understand that this country is circling the drain or are you just another step'n'fetch it slave boy doing Massa's dirty work?
Make up your mind and choose a side so WE the electorate knows how to treat you. Man or Boy?
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Nov 26, 2009 12:23 PM
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In reality, of course, the Obama administration is the Bush II admin with a smiley face.
But in many ways, so was Clinton. Clinton made me a Green (and many thousands of others), when I realized he was really a Republican in a donkey suit.
Jeff Cohen may not realize it yet, but he just jumped ship. There will be more. At this point, millions of progressives are having their "Oh, Shit" moment. They are realizing they've been had, and they're wondering what comes next.
As Cohen points out, what usually comes next is a swing back to the Republicans. That's when we all accept that there are only 2 options. As long as we accept that, the giant corporations and their political flunkies have us where they want us.
So there's the challenge: how do we keep this Conservadem government from handing us back to the OPEN Republicans, who feel free to do even worse? No more smiley face for you!
We have 2 choices: we can watch the Republican juggernaut bear down on us, or we can swing our efforts to real progressive alternatives and take advantage of the anti-incumbency sentiment surging around us.
Let me put it this way: even Democrat loyalists better HOPE the Greens do well next year, rather than the Republicans. Yes, it could throw some elections to Republicans; but it also throws things open. Under plurality voting, in a 3-way race you can potentially win with only 34% of the vote - even less,as the number of candidates goes up. That's what Tony Blair got, the last time around. In Mexico, it was 38% - only they both got that, so with no runoff they nearly had a war over it.
We have less than a year now.
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Posted by: Longdream on Nov 26, 2009 4:06 PM
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NAFTA was quickly followed by the debacle of Clinton healthcare “reform” largely drafted by giant insurance companies,...
Hillary Clinton's task force on health care in 1993 was held without benefit of input from any concerned industry. The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons along with other groups brought suit against Clinton and Donna Shalala to learn the names of the people who were meeting behind closed doors to turn the health care system upside down. They won that suit, along with damages to pay their legal fees, but the award was overturned on appeal.
I recall Hillary being asked if she or the President were at all concerned that the health insurance companies, who employ very many people in the country, would effectively go out of business. She snapped, "Well, they'll just have to find another line of work!"
When the naive, coercive plan was unveiled, it was the health insurance industry that campaigned against it the hardest. Those "Harry and Louise" ads? They were paid for by the Health Insurance Association of America.
So please don't try to tell us that the bill was drafted by huge insurance companies. We are not stupid.
The Obama Administration is going about things in a more sophisticated way, is not naive enough to think that they should end an entire industry with a wave of its hand, and are determined not to repeat the Clintons' mistakes.
I know this annoys all the CORPORATIONS--BAD!! people, but knee-jerkers are just jerks anyway.
And I personally DO NOT APPRECIATE the LOUSY RESEARCH that produced this article. Do you people think you can say whatever you want, regardless of the facts?? Talk about dumbing down!
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Posted by: Longdream on Nov 26, 2009 7:25 PM
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And you called someone else an "Obama Basher". Right. Well I guess that title can be shared across the lines of whatever party or group you subscribe to.
Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting, my ass.
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Posted by: Constitution on Nov 27, 2009 1:06 AM
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He could have bought all the mortgages at a reduced price and the banks went and lost their shirts but he didn't. He could slap a big terrace on all goods coming in to the country even if it was made by American company but I don't think he will.
Hatred of pullout of NAFTA and all free-trade agreements which is killing the country but I don't think you will. So all the jobs will continue to leave the country. He's probably a Bill Clinton I hope our.
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Posted by: aahpat on Nov 27, 2009 6:25 AM
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As much as it pained me to NOT vote for the person who obviously was about to become America's first black president it also was obvious that Obama was following in the footsteps of the right-wing of the Democratic Party.
It is more important, to me, that I vote my values than to vote for any individual or cult. Obama is a cult of personality. An empty suit. The Obama promise of "change" was obviously only skin deep.
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Posted by: aahpat on Nov 27, 2009 7:25 AM
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The real purpose of the War on Drugs of Richard Nixon, in collusion with the Dixie-crats in congress in 1970, was to undermine, subvert and neutralize the electoral and political empowerment provided to poor and minority communities by 1.) the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and 2.) the 26st Amendment of 1971.
The fact that the only Democrats electable today are right-wing pandering Democrats like Bill Clinton and Barack Obama is a testament to the only real success of the War on Drugs.
The War on Drugs has economically and electorally dis-empowered the disaffected in minority and poor communities with criminal disenfranchisement and the easy tax free opportunity of the drug markets.
I need to digress here.
Jim Crow, until 1965, stood on two legs. 1.) Direct denial of access to elections and polling with unfair restrictions. The VRA effectively ended most such practices. 2.) The more insidious practice of criminal disenfranchisement based on trumped up morals laws. Including drug laws. Social justice advocates were effectively neutralized from advocating against this practice because they would be demonized as defending criminals and addicts. Ignoring the fact that 90% of intoxicant drug users are neither criminals nor are they addicts. Demonization is good at inaccurately stereotyping large populations of people.
Drug convictions have disenfranchised tens of millions of Americans in the past forty years. Not only minorities but disaffected young people of all races are targeted. Anyone willing to question the drug laws by smoking a joint may be willing to question other dogma and dictates of the right-wing status quo. The use of an intoxicant drug then becomes a litmus test for social conformity.
As generations of criminally disenfranchised take their disaffection back to their communities family, friends and children are exposed to their lack of faith in the rule of law, justice and the social justice promise of America.
Economically the War on Drugs floods poverty oppressed economic and education deprived populations with easy money. Tax free money. Money that entices under-advantaged children and adults alike in crime and addiction. This easy opportunity is a 'fish-in-a-barrel' opportunity for drug warriors to sweep large groups of youth from the streets and criminalize them. Sending them into the political nether-world of criminal disenfranchisement.
So many minority and nonconformist Americans have been electorally and socially dis-empowered over the past forty years of the War on Drugs that Democrats have lost their base. There are no more large and growing urban populations with good union jobs. What jobs there are are reserved to those who can pass criminal background and urine tests.
The result of all of this is that, starting in the early 1990's, the Democrats gave up on the poor, minorities and the political left that traditionally gave Democrats their activist foot soldiers during elections. These were the groups that had gotten out in the streets against Jim Crow and the unjust Vietnam War. These were the groups that the nation responded to with the Voting Rights Act and the 26st Amendment. And these were the groups targeted for dis-empowerment by Richard Nixon and the Dixie-crats under the guise of the War on Drugs.
Today no Democrat can get elected who is not a right-wing pandering conservative such as Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. while they talk a great social justice line in the elections in the end they get their campaign finances from the right-wing corporate and Jim Crow dictators of America.
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Posted by: ZPaul on Nov 27, 2009 11:17 AM
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We, the people are the only, fading but still living hope for this country and for this world if we do not want the human race to disappear soon.
I'm not offering any great "plan", that's what all politicians do. They offer a "plan" to "do it all for you" They are not there for you and me.
Unless the people put pressure on this administration, it and the world will continue to be ruled by the Big Boys. They will never willingly give up their power - never.
If we, the people, unite right where we are, whatever our situation may be and whatever our condition, and organize and pressure these people who supposedly represent us, there is hope for true democracy, true socialism, a truly libertarian way of life. If we don't, this country, the world, the human race is heading where you and I know it is heading now: utter destruction. It's up to us.
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So I hold my nose and still support right wing Obama. My only hope in this one party system is that a lesser evil may do less harm. My support remains, but tepid. I will though with passion and dollars help those who run in primaries against those on the right, both bare and cloaked.
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At work nowadays it is not Republicans vs Democrats that are vying and jockeying for power, but rather Liberals and Conservatives -- in the strictest meaning of those 18th century political-economic formations. Democracy is not inherent to either one -- it is merely expedient, useful and disposable as circumstances dictate.
We've been importing and integrating British cultural capital for about 15 to 20 years now in all aspects of life, art and literature and film. This is evident in Liberal as well as Conservative media from the popular and vulgar to the refined and mannerly. I wouldn't be surprised if in 20 years or so we're not "voting" for an Americanized form of Constitutional Monarchy or something right along with its State Religion.!!
Our democratic procedures are exclusively formal -- all they do is legitimize this 25-year long project of privatization and imperial expansion that hasn't missed a step since those days.
One thing's for sure: a privatized Public Space is most certainly a direct and blatant contradiction to any rational concept of the term "Republic"! Obama is no exception to the trend.
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