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What Nidal Hasan, Timothy McVeigh, and the Beltway Sniper Have in Common: All Were Scarred by Pointless U.S. Wars

Some of the most notorious massacres of the past 15 years have been committed by veterans whose brains have been severely damaged from trauma or exposure to toxic chemicals.
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The media were so busy linking alleged Fort Hood murderer Major Nidal Hasan to international Islamic terrorism the last few weeks that they hardly noted the execution of the Beltway sniper, John Allen Muhammad, on November 10th. Seven years ago, Muhammad was at the top of conservative commentators' Islamofascists-with-Links-to-Al Qaeda lists. Now, like then, the search for foreign links is proving to be a fruitless, distracting us from the abundant evidence of a causal connection between such murders and service in the U.S. military.



Consider the case of John Allen Muhammad, (formerly John Allen Williams). In her recently published memoir, Scared Silent, Mildred Muhammad, the later of his two ex-wives, writes that her husband went to the 1991 Gulf War a "happy," "focused, and "intelligent" man, who returned home "depressed," "totally confused," and "violent," making her fear for her life. In their briefs, Muhammad's appeals lawyers stressed that his "severe mental illness" never came up at trial, where he was allowed to represent himself despite obvious mental incompetence. (Till the end, he maintained his innocence, claiming that at the time of the killing spree he was in Germany for dental work.)



In seeking clemency and a stay of execution, Muhammad's lawyers presented psychiatric reports diagnosing Schizophrenia and brain scans documenting profound malformations consistent with psychotic disease. Neither the U.S. Supreme Court nor Virginia Governor Tim Kaine were impressed. According to Governor Kaine, "crimes that are this horrible, you just can't understand…." And one day before Veterans Day, John Allen Muhammad was executed by lethal injection.



Muhammad's lawyers might have included other facts.



Mental disorders from depression to mood swings, thought disorders, violent outbursts, and delusions are not uncommon among Gulf War veterans in addition to physical symptoms such as rashes, vertigo, respiratory and gastrointestinal problem, and neurological diseases like Parkinson's, ALS, and brain tumors. According to Dr. William E. Baumzweiger, a California psychiatrist with expertise in psychiatric ailments of Gulf War veterans, "a small but significant number of Gulf War veterans become homicidal" seemingly "out of nowhere." Indeed as early as 1994, University of Texas epidemiologist Dr. Robert Haley, the preeminent researcher of Gulf War disease, had demonstrated that the brain scans of veterans with Gulf War illness were distinctly abnormal.



Last year a blue-panel, congressionally-mandated Gulf War Research Advisory Committee (RAC) finally confirmed what veterans and their families have long asserted: That "without a doubt," Gulf War illness, as it's come to be called, is a profound, multi-system physical illness "caused" by brain-damaging chemicals to which troops were exposed by the Department of Defense. The RAC report identified three specific neurotoxins as certain culprits: anti-nerve gas pills that troops were forced to take (or risk court martial), insecticides and repellants that drenched troops' tents, clothing, and gear, and nerve gases including sarin (the killer chemical in the Tokyo subway attack) emitted into the air when U.S. forces dismantled and demolished a vast munitions storage facility in Khamisiyah, Iraq. Muhammad's lawyers pointed to childhood beatings as a cause of his psychiatric disease and brain malformation, claiming that Gulf War syndrome exacerbated these conditions. But they didn't mention that Mohammad had no history of mental illness before the war--and that during the war he was stationed in Khamisiyah.


Nora Eisenberg is the director of the City University of New York's fellowship program for emerging scholars. Her short stories, essays and reviews have appeared in such places as The Partisan Review, The Village Voice, The Los Angeles Times and Tikkun. When You Come Home, her new novel, which explores the the 1991 Gulf War and Gulf War illness, was published this year by Curbstone Press.
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Stop killing
Posted by: richholland on Nov 25, 2009 12:15 AM   
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The crazy nazis trained young men to kill JEWS.
The crazy moneypsychoos train young brave men to kill moslims.

As Buddha said: dont kill.

If you change a loving person into a murder donot complain.

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I don't doubt that war can cause psychlogical based mental illness but like ...
Posted by: harryf200 on Nov 25, 2009 1:33 AM   
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... other major stressors , it can trigger latent mental illness, such as Bipolar Disorder or Schizophrenia. It doesn't cause them because they were there already, like a primed gun - it triggers them. Other stressors in civilian life could cause the same results especially with misdiagnosed and mis-treated mental illness. (E.g. some anti depressants given to people with Bipolar Disorder can cause manic episodes which may occasionally be very violent.)

My point is that the article stretches too far the evidence of war experience and chemical exposure causing people to become violent killers. Many many people were subjected to exactly the same experiences and chemicals as those men but they didn't turn into mass murderers.

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RE: U.S. Imperialism…
Posted by: taxidave on Nov 25, 2009 5:27 AM   
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Your incoherent anger makes me laugh. Thanks for providing the comedy, tough guy.

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You're forgetting enslaving brown people
Posted by: felipe on Nov 25, 2009 8:08 AM   
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We don't just murder them, we use them until they die.

We tend to murder (kill directly) only those that get in our way. Everybody else gets a slow death.

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morgan1
Posted by: morgan1 on Nov 25, 2009 4:07 AM   
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These conflicts are an experiment for the MIC in new warfare and the civilians as well as the soldiers are the rats. There is massive environmental damage being done in both countries biological, chemically, and with radiation (depleted uranium) to kill on a scale beyond imagination. The landscape of both countries for all practical purposes has become uninhabitable. I believe the real statistic (which will never be released) is severe trauma by all three as well as the IEDs is closer to 90 percent of all who have served since Bush 1. This will be especially true under Bush 2 and now Obama. When soldiers are referred to as trigger pullers and cannon fodder, that is only a partial truth now. Lab rats are only interesting for a short period and then tossed into the wastebin. If the soldier is no longer fit for combat, his role is over and he is "dead weight" as an officer referred to the emotionally damaged soldiers at Ft.Carson. More and more of our soldiers are going to prison as they come back and can't adjust, get help and are abandoned. This is escalating violence at home being done by our sons and daughters never seen before. Welcome to the real wars.

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Reason not madness
Posted by: johnwinthrop on Nov 25, 2009 5:05 AM   
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These killers efficiently implemented the ideology they advocated. This is reason, not madness.

Was Lenin mad? Trotsky? And yes, Hitler was not "crazy", the most overstated and incorrect diagnosis in history. If an ideology says kill millions, it is rational to kill millions.

Those who are the putative victims must find their sanity in defense and counter-strike.

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HORRORS OF WAR REPEATED AT HOME: OUTSTANDING REPORTING BY NORA EISENBERG
Posted by: smf1403 on Nov 25, 2009 5:33 AM   
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Nora Eisenberg's investigative reporting on the psychological and physical changes to a person coming home from war is the most accurate and insightful I have read.

The intense exposure to chemicals, suffering and grisly death does not magically disappear once a soldier returns home.

The guilt of the horrors inflicted on other men, women and children, alone, is unimaginable. Add to that the effects from exposure to neurotoxins and the result is a psychologically and physically broken person.

Fighting the war over there instead of over here is oxymoronic propaganda benefiting the elitists well-protected in their ivory towers.

When will it end?

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What the Military also does
Posted by: sayward2 on Nov 25, 2009 6:07 AM   
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The Military also feeds their troops sleeping pills to get them to sleep and uppers to wake them up. And lots of "speed" to keep them going during the trying times and "calmers" to bring them down after- then when they are sent home they get no weening off the drugs, so most are coming off months of enforced drug use- especially the pilots. So add that factor into why our troops have some problems. Bring back the draft so everyone can feel the war.

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Why Didn't You Call for the Quran to be Banned?
Posted by: tlwinslow on Nov 25, 2009 6:23 AM   
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Whatever the mental state of a Muslim jihadist who goes on safari in the U.S. obeying Allah's commands in the Quran to kill infidels for him, the fact remains that the Quran is the holy book of 1.5 billion Muslims, most of whom never had the chance that John Allen Muhammad or Maj. Nidal Hasan did because they weren't allowed to immigrate to the richest nation of infidels on Earth and buy guns and Qurans. Progressives are against gun ownership, so why the non sequitur about the Quran? It's far worse than any child porno, since Muhammad their prophet shocked the Arabs even in his day by marrying a 6-year-old and starting having sex with her at age 9, setting the example for them all, and also set the example of polygamy and spoke favorably about female circumcision. Every home should have a Quran, not.

Until the govt. reverses its policy of permitting Muslim immigration regardless of the consequences, to remain an Islam history ignoramus and not understand the 7th cent. Muslim jihadist mindset is getting dangerous. Study online free with the Historyscoper and arm your mind with knowledge at http://go.to/islamhistory

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leaving out the religious component on both sides
Posted by: medusa on Nov 25, 2009 7:56 AM   
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I have been saying this for years. I lived through the vietnam war era and I remember how it damaged our country for years. The loss of wealth, and the damage done to the men is a big loss to a country for a small return or no return at all. We would do better off with no war but tell that to people when they have the scent of war and glory in their noses. Things the the towers attack just gave them an excuse. There will always be an excuse, usually labeled as democracy. Democracy cannot be given to another country. They have to fight for it themselves in order to actually get it.

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BA
Posted by: mnstra on Nov 25, 2009 8:41 AM   
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Nora!!!!!!!!! are you out of your mind.
Violence is a choice. Feminism 101........
Tell you story to the families of the victims, you jerk..............

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ALL CLAP TRAP
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 25, 2009 9:05 AM   
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The author seem to have limited informaton about being in the miliary. These three men were not exposed to anything that thousands of others haven't experienced. They are not victims of society nor are they misunderstood or misguided. They are murderers who precisely planned exactly what they wanted to do and then did it. That's very painful for most of us to absorb. Can people really be that bad? Yes, they can. Nassan, the most recent example knew about people like himself. He was surrounded by educated an enlightened people who didn't see him for what he was, despite numerous warnings. Thirteen people are dead. They too were exposed to "toxins and trauma". Not to mention a cold blooded murderer. The author appears to be shopping for 'reasons' for Nassan's behavior. Nassan is responsible for his own behavior. ANNA

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Live and Unlearn
Posted by: DAnnara on Nov 25, 2009 9:37 AM   
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The Constitution tells us that the US military exists to defend the US within it's borders.
To bad the guidance of the founding fathers has been so disregarded.
Support our troops...bring them home and keep them here.

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Silly me...
Posted by: pg on Nov 25, 2009 10:15 AM   
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I just thought they were all MURDERERS


Now I am told they are victims...

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John McCane
Posted by: Sekhmetnakt on Nov 25, 2009 10:46 AM   
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John McCane was and is one of these clearly damiaged vets. Can you immagine the kind of damiage he could have caused as President with his finger on the nuclear button?

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Let me get this straight,
Posted by: linecrosser on Nov 25, 2009 10:58 AM   
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War is hazardous to military and civilians in and out of the battlefield. Especially if the war is unwarranted and raged by the people who profit from it on all sides. The war to end all wars will be the one where the masses rise up and slaughter those who war for profit, using and abusing the lives of others, rather than theirs and their bloodline. If only Hitler had targeted the bankers, lawyers, politicians, corporate leaders, but wait he couldn't, he needed them. The elite need to be jailed and their offspring sterilized. There has never been a more justified reason for genocide.

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What garbage
Posted by: leonardfeingold on Nov 25, 2009 2:03 PM   
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So let us follow the logic. What is the essential cause of rape: Sex drive; sure if no sex drive no rape.

Another variable is the body of woman; the moslems realize that so all that covering.

So that explains everythig; right; get rid of sex drive. That is te logic of this post.

Let us go further. A guy catches his wife in bed with another guy.
He shoots both. Not is fault; it is his wife's fault; explains everything;

that is essence of this article.

one wonders about brains of progresives

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Every war has a good reason.
Posted by: godsbreath64 on Nov 25, 2009 4:45 PM   
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All through out history, there has never once been a war that was pointless. We choose the best president, so they must be right.

Yay bombs !!!!

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One Could Just As Well Link Post Office Employment As...
Posted by: gnat on Nov 25, 2009 5:58 PM   
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....a primary "cause" of mass murdering behavior based on the statistics.

So why pick on the military?

Accepting the obvious regarding Hisan and the DC killers seems VERY difficult for some progressives. I am not sure why this is so common with progressives, unless the real reason is a desperate attempt to deny there is even any such thing as Muslim Jihadist (or Osama and 9-11 hijackers apparently). If there is no Islamic terrorist threat then we don't need to be in Afghanistan - right?

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There is a difference
Posted by: PDJr on Nov 26, 2009 10:30 AM   
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between "suffering" and "taking your suffering out on others." It's clear which side represents criminal behavior.

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what is different is...
Posted by: eosrk on Nov 26, 2009 5:47 PM   
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these conflicts...cause that is what they're really are...are nothing more than proving grounds for new weapons, to see how effective they are...there's dozens of testers embedded with our troops, to have them try them out, to work out the bugs....remember the Osprey crashes in the 80's and 90's, which killed a lot of military people...and to improve on them...all these places are modified test labs for weapons and tatics

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Why Am I Not Surprised?
Posted by: mizobe on Nov 26, 2009 7:28 PM   
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They start off as suicidal small-minded misfits with a penchant for violence looking for somewhere to fit in.

First we berate them, abuse them and break them down in boot camp.
We arm them and teach them to be psycho killers.
We teach them that the other 'gang-bangers' (the supposed enemy) are not humans.
Their recently emptied heads are reprogrammed with propaganda and paranoid delusions.
When they get back from their suicide missions we release them into a real world that they were not re-programmed to deal with.

And now we're surprised when they end up on some rooftop with a rifle!

DUH! and double DUH!

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Finally.....
Posted by: mca on Nov 27, 2009 9:32 AM   
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Finally, an article about the horrors of our wars that doesn't focus on revenge but, with compassion, on understanding the effects of these senseless wars on all the people in our society.Eisenberg's article was a superb work of journalism giving us much-needed analysis and information.
I have to add that I was dismayed by the hatred expressed in some of the responses to this article. Isn't understanding the first step in healing?

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good work!
Posted by: cerebellum on Nov 27, 2009 2:18 PM   
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As a psychiatrist, I appreciate the depth and range of Nora Eisenberg's article. It touches on under-explored injuries of the recent wars. She should bring her penetrating analysis to bear on related subjects such as the horrendous sentences given to children (eg Malvo, Muhammad's "accomplice".)

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brains of youth offenders
Posted by: cerebellum on Nov 27, 2009 8:33 PM   
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I meant to say that a good subject for the author would be the issue of steep sentences given to kids whose brains are not yet fully developed. Malvo, a neglected child, was given by his family to Muhammad, a brain damaged, psychotic veteran (Muhammad), then prosecuted and sentenced without attention to either circumstances or the state of his developing brain.

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Great Article
Posted by: brigadista on Nov 27, 2009 10:35 PM   
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This is an excellent article. The fact that people have responded in such a visceral manner proves that it really touches a nerve. This makes it more important than ever for stories like these to be told. Good job!

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War for Israel is never pointless.
Posted by: The_Lazy_Left on Nov 28, 2009 11:21 AM   
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And may we fight many more wars for our trusted ally, and deep friend - Israel.

Jews are $$$'s chosen people. The sooner you Goyim scum realize that, the better.

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Liberals defend suicide bombers, WHY?
Posted by: 4merly_a_person on Nov 28, 2009 1:23 PM   
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On the left, hatred of America is so ingrained that with thousands of Americans buried beneath tons of rubble, liberals' gut reaction is to censure our society for the alleged sins of multinationals and not having a foreign policy shaped by Ralph Nader.

Blame Israel Second – Fisk tells us none of this would have happened if not for "the 34 years of Israel's brutal occupation of Arab land." How can a nation "occupy" its own territory? There has never been a sovereign state on the West Bank.

As Israel must be condemned, the Palestinians must be absolved. Fisk claims that Palestinian celebration of the New York death toll is "a symbol of their despair, as well as a sign of their political immaturity." No, it's a sign of the celebrants' utter depravity. Give these swine their own state, and, in no time at all, we'll have another Afghanistan on our hands.

A nation that will not fight back in the face of evil seals its fate. Those who twist logic to find excuses for terrorists or their supporters have lost a survival instinct. Liberalism, as it's mutated since the end of World War II, is a cult that preaches national suicide.

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Lady Underground
Posted by: ladyunderground on Nov 29, 2009 6:37 AM   
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Sincere thanks for running this horrifying and well-argued piece which examines the disfiguring aftermath of war through the lens of these destroyed and destructive individual cases. Eisenberg's research on the subject is important and welcome.

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Giving soldiers the medical care they deserve
Posted by: fredaskribent on Nov 30, 2009 3:35 AM   
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Trauma can do all kinds of things to a person. Unless a soldier has a heart made of stone, s/he will be effected emotionally if she has been in combat. Add to that the effects of toxins used during wartime on the brain. Is there not a way to improve mental health services for soldiers and veterans? They deserve the best doctors and medical care available. Are we ignoring the needs of our soldiers? I am amazed at how a soldier with severe mental illness can even represent himself and then be executed when they suffer from severe mental illness. The same thing goes for someone getting the death penalty when they show obvious abnormalities in scans of the brain. Should they have been held accountable? Of course, but only to the degree their illnesses allowed them to understand the crimes they were committing. Should we be killing people who are suffering from psychiatric disabilities? To me, that is a human rights issue.

One other thing: we have to remember a soldier has been trained to use deadly weapons. When they use those weapons on innocent people, we forget they were in wars where many witnessed death by deadly weapons. When it drives someone insane, we need to have a mental health program that guarantees soldiers the best treatment possible. The government is partly responsible if it doesn't tend to the needs of distraught soldiers. The court system needs to stop ignoring mental illness when we know it is part of the reason our prisons are now overpopulated. We need to do a great deal of work on the way the mentally ill are treated in this country anyway, but I shall not digress.

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Nidal Hasan & Timothy McVeigh may well have been pastsies/fall-guys too!
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Nov 30, 2009 10:47 AM   
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Stop killing
Posted by: richholland on Nov 25, 2009 12:15 AM   
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The crazy nazis trained young men to kill JEWS.
The crazy moneypsychoos train young brave men to kill moslims.

As Buddha said: dont kill.

If you change a loving person into a murder donot complain.

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I don't doubt that war can cause psychlogical based mental illness but like ...
Posted by: harryf200 on Nov 25, 2009 1:33 AM   
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... other major stressors , it can trigger latent mental illness, such as Bipolar Disorder or Schizophrenia. It doesn't cause them because they were there already, like a primed gun - it triggers them. Other stressors in civilian life could cause the same results especially with misdiagnosed and mis-treated mental illness. (E.g. some anti depressants given to people with Bipolar Disorder can cause manic episodes which may occasionally be very violent.)

My point is that the article stretches too far the evidence of war experience and chemical exposure causing people to become violent killers. Many many people were subjected to exactly the same experiences and chemicals as those men but they didn't turn into mass murderers.

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RE: U.S. Imperialism…
Posted by: taxidave on Nov 25, 2009 5:27 AM   
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Your incoherent anger makes me laugh. Thanks for providing the comedy, tough guy.

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You're forgetting enslaving brown people
Posted by: felipe on Nov 25, 2009 8:08 AM   
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We don't just murder them, we use them until they die.

We tend to murder (kill directly) only those that get in our way. Everybody else gets a slow death.

Caution: snark alert

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morgan1
Posted by: morgan1 on Nov 25, 2009 4:07 AM   
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These conflicts are an experiment for the MIC in new warfare and the civilians as well as the soldiers are the rats. There is massive environmental damage being done in both countries biological, chemically, and with radiation (depleted uranium) to kill on a scale beyond imagination. The landscape of both countries for all practical purposes has become uninhabitable. I believe the real statistic (which will never be released) is severe trauma by all three as well as the IEDs is closer to 90 percent of all who have served since Bush 1. This will be especially true under Bush 2 and now Obama. When soldiers are referred to as trigger pullers and cannon fodder, that is only a partial truth now. Lab rats are only interesting for a short period and then tossed into the wastebin. If the soldier is no longer fit for combat, his role is over and he is "dead weight" as an officer referred to the emotionally damaged soldiers at Ft.Carson. More and more of our soldiers are going to prison as they come back and can't adjust, get help and are abandoned. This is escalating violence at home being done by our sons and daughters never seen before. Welcome to the real wars.

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Reason not madness
Posted by: johnwinthrop on Nov 25, 2009 5:05 AM   
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These killers efficiently implemented the ideology they advocated. This is reason, not madness.

Was Lenin mad? Trotsky? And yes, Hitler was not "crazy", the most overstated and incorrect diagnosis in history. If an ideology says kill millions, it is rational to kill millions.

Those who are the putative victims must find their sanity in defense and counter-strike.

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HORRORS OF WAR REPEATED AT HOME: OUTSTANDING REPORTING BY NORA EISENBERG
Posted by: smf1403 on Nov 25, 2009 5:33 AM   
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Nora Eisenberg's investigative reporting on the psychological and physical changes to a person coming home from war is the most accurate and insightful I have read.

The intense exposure to chemicals, suffering and grisly death does not magically disappear once a soldier returns home.

The guilt of the horrors inflicted on other men, women and children, alone, is unimaginable. Add to that the effects from exposure to neurotoxins and the result is a psychologically and physically broken person.

Fighting the war over there instead of over here is oxymoronic propaganda benefiting the elitists well-protected in their ivory towers.

When will it end?

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What the Military also does
Posted by: sayward2 on Nov 25, 2009 6:07 AM   
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The Military also feeds their troops sleeping pills to get them to sleep and uppers to wake them up. And lots of "speed" to keep them going during the trying times and "calmers" to bring them down after- then when they are sent home they get no weening off the drugs, so most are coming off months of enforced drug use- especially the pilots. So add that factor into why our troops have some problems. Bring back the draft so everyone can feel the war.

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Why Didn't You Call for the Quran to be Banned?
Posted by: tlwinslow on Nov 25, 2009 6:23 AM   
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Whatever the mental state of a Muslim jihadist who goes on safari in the U.S. obeying Allah's commands in the Quran to kill infidels for him, the fact remains that the Quran is the holy book of 1.5 billion Muslims, most of whom never had the chance that John Allen Muhammad or Maj. Nidal Hasan did because they weren't allowed to immigrate to the richest nation of infidels on Earth and buy guns and Qurans. Progressives are against gun ownership, so why the non sequitur about the Quran? It's far worse than any child porno, since Muhammad their prophet shocked the Arabs even in his day by marrying a 6-year-old and starting having sex with her at age 9, setting the example for them all, and also set the example of polygamy and spoke favorably about female circumcision. Every home should have a Quran, not.

Until the govt. reverses its policy of permitting Muslim immigration regardless of the consequences, to remain an Islam history ignoramus and not understand the 7th cent. Muslim jihadist mindset is getting dangerous. Study online free with the Historyscoper and arm your mind with knowledge at http://go.to/islamhistory

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leaving out the religious component on both sides
Posted by: medusa on Nov 25, 2009 7:56 AM   
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I have been saying this for years. I lived through the vietnam war era and I remember how it damaged our country for years. The loss of wealth, and the damage done to the men is a big loss to a country for a small return or no return at all. We would do better off with no war but tell that to people when they have the scent of war and glory in their noses. Things the the towers attack just gave them an excuse. There will always be an excuse, usually labeled as democracy. Democracy cannot be given to another country. They have to fight for it themselves in order to actually get it.

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BA
Posted by: mnstra on Nov 25, 2009 8:41 AM   
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Nora!!!!!!!!! are you out of your mind.
Violence is a choice. Feminism 101........
Tell you story to the families of the victims, you jerk..............

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ALL CLAP TRAP
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 25, 2009 9:05 AM   
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The author seem to have limited informaton about being in the miliary. These three men were not exposed to anything that thousands of others haven't experienced. They are not victims of society nor are they misunderstood or misguided. They are murderers who precisely planned exactly what they wanted to do and then did it. That's very painful for most of us to absorb. Can people really be that bad? Yes, they can. Nassan, the most recent example knew about people like himself. He was surrounded by educated an enlightened people who didn't see him for what he was, despite numerous warnings. Thirteen people are dead. They too were exposed to "toxins and trauma". Not to mention a cold blooded murderer. The author appears to be shopping for 'reasons' for Nassan's behavior. Nassan is responsible for his own behavior. ANNA

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Live and Unlearn
Posted by: DAnnara on Nov 25, 2009 9:37 AM   
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The Constitution tells us that the US military exists to defend the US within it's borders.
To bad the guidance of the founding fathers has been so disregarded.
Support our troops...bring them home and keep them here.

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Silly me...
Posted by: pg on Nov 25, 2009 10:15 AM   
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I just thought they were all MURDERERS


Now I am told they are victims...

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John McCane
Posted by: Sekhmetnakt on Nov 25, 2009 10:46 AM   
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John McCane was and is one of these clearly damiaged vets. Can you immagine the kind of damiage he could have caused as President with his finger on the nuclear button?

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Let me get this straight,
Posted by: linecrosser on Nov 25, 2009 10:58 AM   
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War is hazardous to military and civilians in and out of the battlefield. Especially if the war is unwarranted and raged by the people who profit from it on all sides. The war to end all wars will be the one where the masses rise up and slaughter those who war for profit, using and abusing the lives of others, rather than theirs and their bloodline. If only Hitler had targeted the bankers, lawyers, politicians, corporate leaders, but wait he couldn't, he needed them. The elite need to be jailed and their offspring sterilized. There has never been a more justified reason for genocide.

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What garbage
Posted by: leonardfeingold on Nov 25, 2009 2:03 PM   
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So let us follow the logic. What is the essential cause of rape: Sex drive; sure if no sex drive no rape.

Another variable is the body of woman; the moslems realize that so all that covering.

So that explains everythig; right; get rid of sex drive. That is te logic of this post.

Let us go further. A guy catches his wife in bed with another guy.
He shoots both. Not is fault; it is his wife's fault; explains everything;

that is essence of this article.

one wonders about brains of progresives

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Every war has a good reason.
Posted by: godsbreath64 on Nov 25, 2009 4:45 PM   
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All through out history, there has never once been a war that was pointless. We choose the best president, so they must be right.

Yay bombs !!!!

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One Could Just As Well Link Post Office Employment As...
Posted by: gnat on Nov 25, 2009 5:58 PM   
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....a primary "cause" of mass murdering behavior based on the statistics.

So why pick on the military?

Accepting the obvious regarding Hisan and the DC killers seems VERY difficult for some progressives. I am not sure why this is so common with progressives, unless the real reason is a desperate attempt to deny there is even any such thing as Muslim Jihadist (or Osama and 9-11 hijackers apparently). If there is no Islamic terrorist threat then we don't need to be in Afghanistan - right?

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There is a difference
Posted by: PDJr on Nov 26, 2009 10:30 AM   
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between "suffering" and "taking your suffering out on others." It's clear which side represents criminal behavior.

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what is different is...
Posted by: eosrk on Nov 26, 2009 5:47 PM   
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these conflicts...cause that is what they're really are...are nothing more than proving grounds for new weapons, to see how effective they are...there's dozens of testers embedded with our troops, to have them try them out, to work out the bugs....remember the Osprey crashes in the 80's and 90's, which killed a lot of military people...and to improve on them...all these places are modified test labs for weapons and tatics

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Why Am I Not Surprised?
Posted by: mizobe on Nov 26, 2009 7:28 PM   
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They start off as suicidal small-minded misfits with a penchant for violence looking for somewhere to fit in.

First we berate them, abuse them and break them down in boot camp.
We arm them and teach them to be psycho killers.
We teach them that the other 'gang-bangers' (the supposed enemy) are not humans.
Their recently emptied heads are reprogrammed with propaganda and paranoid delusions.
When they get back from their suicide missions we release them into a real world that they were not re-programmed to deal with.

And now we're surprised when they end up on some rooftop with a rifle!

DUH! and double DUH!

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Finally.....
Posted by: mca on Nov 27, 2009 9:32 AM   
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Finally, an article about the horrors of our wars that doesn't focus on revenge but, with compassion, on understanding the effects of these senseless wars on all the people in our society.Eisenberg's article was a superb work of journalism giving us much-needed analysis and information.
I have to add that I was dismayed by the hatred expressed in some of the responses to this article. Isn't understanding the first step in healing?

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good work!
Posted by: cerebellum on Nov 27, 2009 2:18 PM   
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As a psychiatrist, I appreciate the depth and range of Nora Eisenberg's article. It touches on under-explored injuries of the recent wars. She should bring her penetrating analysis to bear on related subjects such as the horrendous sentences given to children (eg Malvo, Muhammad's "accomplice".)

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brains of youth offenders
Posted by: cerebellum on Nov 27, 2009 8:33 PM   
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I meant to say that a good subject for the author would be the issue of steep sentences given to kids whose brains are not yet fully developed. Malvo, a neglected child, was given by his family to Muhammad, a brain damaged, psychotic veteran (Muhammad), then prosecuted and sentenced without attention to either circumstances or the state of his developing brain.

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Great Article
Posted by: brigadista on Nov 27, 2009 10:35 PM   
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This is an excellent article. The fact that people have responded in such a visceral manner proves that it really touches a nerve. This makes it more important than ever for stories like these to be told. Good job!

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War for Israel is never pointless.
Posted by: The_Lazy_Left on Nov 28, 2009 11:21 AM   
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And may we fight many more wars for our trusted ally, and deep friend - Israel.

Jews are $$$'s chosen people. The sooner you Goyim scum realize that, the better.

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Liberals defend suicide bombers, WHY?
Posted by: 4merly_a_person on Nov 28, 2009 1:23 PM   
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On the left, hatred of America is so ingrained that with thousands of Americans buried beneath tons of rubble, liberals' gut reaction is to censure our society for the alleged sins of multinationals and not having a foreign policy shaped by Ralph Nader.

Blame Israel Second – Fisk tells us none of this would have happened if not for "the 34 years of Israel's brutal occupation of Arab land." How can a nation "occupy" its own territory? There has never been a sovereign state on the West Bank.

As Israel must be condemned, the Palestinians must be absolved. Fisk claims that Palestinian celebration of the New York death toll is "a symbol of their despair, as well as a sign of their political immaturity." No, it's a sign of the celebrants' utter depravity. Give these swine their own state, and, in no time at all, we'll have another Afghanistan on our hands.

A nation that will not fight back in the face of evil seals its fate. Those who twist logic to find excuses for terrorists or their supporters have lost a survival instinct. Liberalism, as it's mutated since the end of World War II, is a cult that preaches national suicide.

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Lady Underground
Posted by: ladyunderground on Nov 29, 2009 6:37 AM   
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Sincere thanks for running this horrifying and well-argued piece which examines the disfiguring aftermath of war through the lens of these destroyed and destructive individual cases. Eisenberg's research on the subject is important and welcome.

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Giving soldiers the medical care they deserve
Posted by: fredaskribent on Nov 30, 2009 3:35 AM   
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Trauma can do all kinds of things to a person. Unless a soldier has a heart made of stone, s/he will be effected emotionally if she has been in combat. Add to that the effects of toxins used during wartime on the brain. Is there not a way to improve mental health services for soldiers and veterans? They deserve the best doctors and medical care available. Are we ignoring the needs of our soldiers? I am amazed at how a soldier with severe mental illness can even represent himself and then be executed when they suffer from severe mental illness. The same thing goes for someone getting the death penalty when they show obvious abnormalities in scans of the brain. Should they have been held accountable? Of course, but only to the degree their illnesses allowed them to understand the crimes they were committing. Should we be killing people who are suffering from psychiatric disabilities? To me, that is a human rights issue.

One other thing: we have to remember a soldier has been trained to use deadly weapons. When they use those weapons on innocent people, we forget they were in wars where many witnessed death by deadly weapons. When it drives someone insane, we need to have a mental health program that guarantees soldiers the best treatment possible. The government is partly responsible if it doesn't tend to the needs of distraught soldiers. The court system needs to stop ignoring mental illness when we know it is part of the reason our prisons are now overpopulated. We need to do a great deal of work on the way the mentally ill are treated in this country anyway, but I shall not digress.

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Nidal Hasan & Timothy McVeigh may well have been pastsies/fall-guys too!
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Nov 30, 2009 10:47 AM   
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