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Stealing Money, Selling Heroin and Raping Boys -- The Very Dark Side of the Afghan Occupation
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Just when President Barack Obama looked as if he might be railroaded into sending tens of thousands more US troops to Afghanistan the American envoy to Kabul has warned him not to do so. In a leaked cable to Washington sent last week, the US ambassador to Afghanistan, Gen Karl W. Eikenberry, argues that it would be a mistake to send reinforcements until the government of President Hamid Karzai demonstrates that it will act against corruption and mismanagement.
General Eikenberry knows what he is talking about because he has long experience of Afghanistan. A recently retired three star general, he was responsible for training the Afghan security forces from 2002 to 2003 and was top US commander in Afghanistan from 2005 to 2007.
There is a dangerous misunderstanding outside Afghanistan about what 'corruption and mismanagement' mean in an Afghan context and a potentially lethal underestimation of how these impact on American and British forces. For example, the shadow British Defense Secretary Liam Fox argued that though 'corruption and establishing good governance' are not unimportant, 'we need to recognize that Afghan governance is likely to look very different from governance as we knows it in the West.'
Leaving aside the patronizing tone of the statement, this shows that Mr Fox fundamentally misunderstands what is happening on the ground in Afghanistan. Corruption and mismanagement do not just mean that the police are on the take or that no contract is awarded without a bribe. It is much worse than that. For instance, one reason Afghan villagers prefer to deal with the Taliban rather than the government security forces is that the latter have a habit of seizing their sons at checkpoints and sodomizing them.
None of our business, Mr Fox, who may be British Defense Secretary by this time next year, would presumably say. We are not in Afghanistan for the good government of Afghans: 'Our troops are not fighting and dying in Afghanistan for Karzai's government nor should they ever be.' But the fact that male rape is common practice in the Afghan armed forces has, unfortunately, a great deal to do with the fate of British soldiers.
There was a horrified reaction across Britain last week when a 25-year old policeman called Gulbuddin working in a police station in the Nad Ali district of Helmand killed five British soldiers when he opened fire with a machine gun on them. But the reason he did so, according to Christina Lamb in The Sunday Times, citing two Afghans who knew Gulbuddin, was that he had been brutally beaten, sodomised and sexually molested by a senior Afghan officer whom he regarded as being protected by the British.
The slaughter at Nad Ali is a microcosm of what is happening across Afghanistan. It is why Mr Fox is wrong and General Eikenberry is right about the dangers of committing more American or British troops regardless of the way Afghanistan is ruled. Nor are the events which led to the deaths of the young Britoish soldiersout of the ordinary. Western military officials eager to show success in training the Afghan army and police have reportedly suppressed for years accounts from Canadian troops that the newly trained security forces are raping young boys.
Mr Fox's approach only makes sense if we assume that it does not matter what ordinary Afghans think. This is what the Americans and, to a lesser degree the British, thought in Iraq in 2003. They soon learned different. I remember visiting the town of al-Majar al-Kabir in June 2003, soon after six British military policemen had been shot dead in the local police station. The British army had unwisely sent patrols with dogs through one of the most heavily armed towns in the country, famous for its resistance to Saddam Hussein, as if the British were an all-conquering occupation army. The Americans and British eventually learned the unnecessarily costly lesson in Iraq that what Iraqis thought and did would wholly determine if foreign forces were going to be shot at or not. Mr Fox claims the US and Briton will not be in Afghanistan in defense of the Afghan government, but if we are not doing that, then we become an occupation force. A growing belief that this is already the case is enabling Taliban fighters, who used to be unpopular even among the Pashtun, to present themselves as battling for Afghan independence.
General Eikenberry expresses frustration over the lack of US money being allocated for spending on development and reconstruction after Afghanistan's infrastructure has been wrecked by 30 years of war. The ambassador has not even been able to obtain $2.5 billion for non-military spending, this though the cost of the extra 40,000 US troops requested by General Stanley A. McChrystal, the top US and NATO commander in Afghanistan, is put by army planners at $33 billion and by White House officials at about $50 billion over a year.
This is one of the absurdities of the Afghan war. Afghanistan is one of the poorest countries in the world. Some 12 million out of 27 million Afghans live below the poverty line on 45 cents a day, according to the UN. "Afghanistan is facing a food crisis which will turn into a human catastrophe if donors do not act promptly," said Karim Khalili, the second vice president, often denounced as a warlord, earlier this summer. Yet the lower estimate for each extra 1,000 US troops is $1 billion a year.
An Afghan policeman earns around $120 a month. In return for this he is forced to do a more dangerous job than Afghan soldiers, some 1,500 policemen being killed between 2007 and 2009, three times the number of deaths suffered by the Afghan army. Compare this money and these dangers with that of a US paid consultant earning $250,000 a year -- and with the cost of his guards, accommodation and translator totalling the same amount again - lurking in his villa in Kabul.
General Eikenberry is rightly sceptical about the dispatch of reinforcements to prop up a regime which is more of a racket than an administration. The troops may kill more Taliban, but they will also be their recruiting sergeants. As for the Afghan government, its ill-paid forces will not be eager to fight harder if they can get the Americans and the British to do their fighting for them.
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Posted by: jonathanseer on Nov 14, 2009 3:32 AM
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So the tradition is deep and strong in Afghanistan, and nothing we can do 1 2 3 is going to stop it save for capital punishment for anyone convicted doing that.
When our troops first landed in Afghanistan there were barely reported issues with the locals who thought our "fresh recruits" were very attractive and would make ideal sex partners.
And anecdotal comments I've heard are pretty extreme. Apparently since women are still pretty much locked up it's dog eat dog in the city streets or big dog fuck little dog as men will step off to an ally to do their business.
The sad irony is IF ONLY THE ANTI-WAR FORCES HERE STARTED TO YELL THE TRUTH Afghanistan is where Men rape boys, you'd see the entire nation react with such revulsion we'd be out of there as soon as physically possible.
And the worst irony is as bad a nightmare for Women the Taliban were and are, they were the first group to try to put an end to the Afghan tradition of boy raping with capital punishment
In this effort Iran and the Taliban saw eye to eye for the same reasons. The Koran says it's the way to handle it.
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» RE: The fact that Afgans are boy rapists has been known since we got there by our forces
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» Stoking Homophobia Will Only Make Matters Even Worse Than They Are. . .
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» This is also very very subtle racism too. "Arabs" performing sex acts on children....
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» RE: This is also very very subtle racism too. "Arabs" performing sex acts on children....
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» Sorry, Mindy, I didn't see any references to the others in Afghanistan doing unmentionables, so....
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» RE: Stoking Homophobia Will Only Make Matters Even Worse Than They Are. . .
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» RE: Afghans aren't Arabs
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» RE: Men who rape boys are PEDOPHILES, not gay
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» Yet another reason to avoid war at all costs: Military goons will run amok & rape & pillage whenever
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» RE: Brown's Secretary Balls apologizes for enslaving children...
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» RE: The fact that Afgans are boy rapists has been known since we got there by our forces
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» How can that be when we are funding the Taliban to do what they do???
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» Well said, it's the fucking "Domino Theory" all over again
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» RE: I might be a tiny bit more forgiving if I knew better why we're there. The latest excuse....
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Posted by: Tescoliatprole on Nov 14, 2009 4:38 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cl8CKwlAGQ
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Posted by: melpol on Nov 14, 2009 4:50 AM
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Posted by: Prophit0 on Nov 14, 2009 5:12 AM
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One such one took place at an embassy with private contract mercs.... here is hte story on it. The pictures are graphic, so if you don't want to see them then just read the text.
This is what the US government and its Pakistani apologists will bring to Pakistan through Blackwater and other American terror militias.
Then we wonder why countries begin to hate us with this stuff going on in a basically religious country. I really wonder WHO is doing the raping of those boys frankly. Remember we just read an article how the Afghan military is basically disfunctional and we are having to do these tasks.... by "we" I mean the private contractors we have hired all over the place.
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Posted by: Tescoliatprole on Nov 14, 2009 5:28 AM
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http://www.archive.org/details/Taliban
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» This article fits with the links I provided above.
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Posted by: csds49 on Nov 14, 2009 6:00 AM
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Posted by: cmaciain on Nov 14, 2009 8:01 AM
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All rape is evil. That's it. Frankly the idea that the US supports regimes raping the females but won't support ones raping the males is appalling.
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Posted by: bettyn on Nov 14, 2009 9:19 AM
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» Come on! WAKE UP!
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Posted by: jcadams on Nov 14, 2009 9:26 AM
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» Yeah, and who says its the afghans anyway. WE have more mercenaries in AFghanistan....
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Posted by: PaulK on Nov 14, 2009 9:30 AM
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One cost of the war is that 2 million Afghans are addicted to heroin. Another cost is that American domestic heroin casualties are 5 times the war casualties. What did you expect from a sellout?
We've put the heroin cartels in charge of the country. What did you expect? A free election?
Now, when one faction or another decides that the U.S. is in actuality a nearly bankrupt nation that will leave in a year due to lack of war funds, they simply use their heroin money to buy guns for the winning side. What did you expect?
Add rape to the long list of what we sold out.
Along the way, Islam somehow got sold out too. Islam has all sorts of moral prohibitions against killing of other Muslims.
For many Americans, Jesus got sold out. If you attend a church, does this bother you?
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Posted by: Archie1954 on Nov 14, 2009 9:46 AM
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 14, 2009 9:50 AM
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The Taliban, say what you will about them, were beginning to put the country in order-- ending the opium trade and creating a modicum of security for Afghanis. The problem the fervored brow class in brownstone and suburb had with the Taliban was that they knocked the nose off a statue and put adulterers to death in stadiums...it came through the magic box and right into their living rooms...and it was just so illiberal that something had to be done!...something besides ignoring the death and rapine that was going on all over Afghanistan for years outside of football stadiums and the magic box.
Now, mind you, many of these were the same people who supported Brzezinski in his plan to raise up a jihad of fundementalists with the help of the ISI and Saudi intelligence to overthrow the progressive regime in Kabul--progressive, at least, in comparison with Karzai's. Brzezinski, an evil fellow, who did most of Jimmy Carter's thinking on foreign policy for him on behalf of the Rockefellar interests, was already the blood-crazed savage who had supported the Khymer Rouge in Cambodia along with...Red China. His aim has always been to destroy Russia and he wanted jihad throughout the southern tier of the USSR.
Now, who pops back up on the magic box with the Obama campaign?--Ziggy and children...one helping Lieberman move John McCain's mouth and his commentator daughter and a son, if memory serves, in the Obama sty. Now, why are we helping the Taliban--or elements of the Taliban? Why did we stand by while the OBL cavalcade traveled to safety in the halcyon days of illusory victory in Afghanistan? Why did we assist 'al Cia-dah' shock troops move through of UN sanctioned arms blockade of Yugoslavia to help kill Bosnian Serbs as they fought against our narco-terrorist KLA allies? Why do Anglo-American assets support the Soros-backed renegade oligarch--BORIS!! Yoo-hoo! BORIS! Beresovsky--in his backing of the Chechen terrorists (He actually bragged about it in the French media)?
We are keeping this region in turmoil and its people in pain--and our corporations and drug lords are making a mint, but our fervored browed neuroasthenics, do so want to solve the problems of a nation far, far away from the problems lurking in their wet-back nanny's room, the police state being erected by their 'liberal' Democratic president provided to them by Goldman Sachs, the obesity epidemic, the corruption, the unemployment, the homelessness, the jails filled with culprits in victimless crimes...the crumbling infrastructure...lets fight for the opium industry in Afghanistan...and arrest anyone who uses it... its a matter of national security, don't you know?
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» Sounds like you're talking about Skull and Boners.
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» RE: Warlords, Opium, Rape, and Pillage...Why We Fight!
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» wrong about taliban re opium, guy
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Posted by: fma7 on Nov 14, 2009 9:58 AM
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» Exactly, always be suspicious when the neocon controlled press is pretending to be "humanitarian" ..
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» after 1,000 years of burning gays at the stake
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Nov 14, 2009 10:08 AM
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How about Iraq: That Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction!? More bullshit!!!
Why does Obama still have us in these countries!? Even more bullshit!!!
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Posted by: maxsmart on Nov 14, 2009 12:26 PM
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In addition militarily forced dominance has an aspect of rape that shows up all around the world and our ability to control Afghan forces is mostly impossible and controlling ours is not necessarily certain either.
The Greeks and Spartans had certain values we cannot fathom because we are afraid and ignorant of them.
Anything by force is a problem which is exactly why our presence is a problem period!
Whose forced values takes precedence?
If we want it to be our values then we have to be willing to be the occupying power and that has an ongoing stiff price that really we should not be willing to pay and therefor we shouldn't be there to begin with.
Our presense there has little bearing on our national security and more to do with blowback from our original CIA adventures there and the busybody Texas millionairesses they were trying to play footsie with and impress! That support of terrorists invited terrorists to reciprocate on our own soil and continues to do so as long as we continue meddling in their own lands for oil or gas or whatever it is we are secretly after with our CIA secret agenda..
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» Good question.... what else are "we" or our bankers secretly after besides oil and drugs??
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 14, 2009 2:41 PM
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Mad Dog Albright, on one of those cheesy political shows they have on weekend mornings years and years ago, was quoted as saying that 'one of the strengths of US foreign policy was that it didn't change with the party in power.' How 'bout that, a frank, albeit backdoor, admission that there was no damned bit of difference between the Republicans and the Democrats in matters of foreign policy. I guess the big difference between the two parties is the voters... and who shapes their political Weltanschaung.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LsSppYxSHk&feature= player_embedded
(if you link, remove the space between "=" and "player")
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» Your argument is a pack of lies.
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» More lies.
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Posted by: Raytan on Nov 14, 2009 9:59 PM
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Now is Hillary Clinton discussing Afghanistan or is she discussing The United States of America?
The fact of the matter is until we clean up our own acts we will only be capable of creating a mirror image of our own insanity upon the rest of the world. How are we going to save the Afghan people when we can't even save ourselves?
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Posted by: bvennie on Nov 15, 2009 5:50 AM
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#@!
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 15, 2009 11:59 AM
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http://www.isgp.eu/dutroux/Belgian_X_dossiers_ of_the_Dutroux_affair.htm
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Posted by: tazdelaney on Nov 15, 2009 1:06 PM
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btw... just like merck trademarked 'cocaine' i 1867, ig farben trademarked the name 'heroin' in 1897. i have a can from my great-gramps general store, sadly empty, of 'merck's powdered opium' (aka heroin but farben owned that name.) 2 ounces for 75¢. beautifully adorned can, on its front it said, 'it'll get you through the winter' and on the back it called it, 'the old folk's friend.' though legal pharma kills 20x more than all the illegal drugs combined and no one goes to prison for those... 35 million have gone to jail in the unconstitutional (no amendment like prohibition?), drug war. and oxicodone addicts in a third the time of pure heroin... now that 2 ounces of pure heroin would go for some $20k. the drugwar has always been about two things: profits and control.
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Posted by: tazdelaney on Nov 15, 2009 1:48 PM
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well, the 'fundamentalist' taliban were also widely reported to enjoy boys butts and mouths, too, not just the government forces. like torture photos were for americans; these are recruiting tactics to get more men on the force. guess the anti-gay provisions of islam, based on moses disdain for such practices, causes a certain buildup of pressure on horny men? hope they're gentle, no preadolescents and use lube? soldiers historically will rape most anything on legs, men or women, but as a truckdriver told me back in the 70s hith-hiking... "it's all pink inside." in america's civil war, the most deaths were actually in the union prisons of northern virginia and maryland, where prisoners were summarily starved and some released to show the rebels their potential fate... but after the war, reports were of mass-rapes of those young rebel prisoners. same old army game to the horizons. hey, it's better than killing or torturing them; better than covering the landscape with child-targeting clusterbombs.
of bizarre note that in the opening days of this afghan war, the US dropped tens of thousands of pornographic videotapes all over afghanistan, many of which were gay porn... now that isone hell of a thing to bomb people with and again; i have to say it is better than 'a carpet of bombs.' also read recently that the US was gaining commitments from opium warlords to fight taliban by giving old chieftains stockpiles of viagra...
taking this to the limit, in the late 1990s, DoD developed what they called the 'gay bomb.' it is a superpowered aphrodisiac also loaded with viagra-level longtime erection production. it would work as well on mixed-gender groups but the idea was to aerially saturate all-male troops into becoming more concerned with sex than battle. hard to storm the enemy when hard. secondly, it was assumed that after exhausting themselves, they would be ashamed and humiliated. well, maybe not. they just might decide it is wiser to make love, not war? walk away with their new boyfriends? me, i'd like to use the 'gay bomb' on the centers of power of all the evil empires from china to america, london to tel aviv and tehran. give a real big dose to vatican, mecca and riyadh but definitely catch congress and pentagon on videotape! i want that for show at parties. "dig that 'family values' GOP guy grinning!"
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Posted by: waynep on Nov 15, 2009 2:35 PM
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This has nothing to do with homosexuality. I assure you that the great majority of the perpetrators do not consider themselves to be gay. Homosexuality and pedophilia are NOT one and the same. To lump them together does a great disservice to all parties.
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Posted by: tazdelaney on Nov 15, 2009 4:28 PM
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you also mention clinton seretary of state madeleine 'mad dog' albright, a wench as bad as condi rice and janet reno put together. after killing (US census bureau is the place for war death stats, they've been doing it for 200 years...) 245,000 iraqis, 2/3 civilian, warring on hussein who had been an ally empowered by the USG for decades prior, until 1989, in fact... as usual, the US broke the war-crimes which the USG itself had forced to be made international law by the genea convention, by bombing civilian infrastructure such as hospitals, sanitation and water purification, etc. these crimes overwhelmingly kill children in the aftermath.
so then gwh bush gets the UN toback the US embargo against iraq. while this was allegedly done to keep hussein from gettingricher from oil; according to teh american petroleum institute, the oil companies and hussein 'got around the loopholes' and from 1995-2003, iraq was again the 3rd largest supplier of oil to the US. but teh embargo cut off food, medicine, medical supplies and equipment and sanitation/water filtration eqpt and supplies to iraq. in mid 1997, the UN released a report, signed by US officials, reporting that the embargo had already kiledsome 800,000 iraqi civilians including over half a million children. this is just plain mass human sacrifice; no better than nazi ovens.
'mad-dog' albright being interviewed on 60 Minutes by leslie stahl... ms stahl quotes the report and asks the US secretary of state "do you think this price is worth it?" albright gives her best PR smile and says, quote, "yes, we think the price is worth it." what price is worth half a million murdered children? what was gained by this genocide? does madame albright get together with rumsfeld to compare war-child-torture-snuff-porn? i'd like to ask them all, bush-bush, clinton-clinton and all these thugs, face-to-face... IN COURT!
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Posted by: jonathanseer on Nov 14, 2009 3:32 AM
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So the tradition is deep and strong in Afghanistan, and nothing we can do 1 2 3 is going to stop it save for capital punishment for anyone convicted doing that.
When our troops first landed in Afghanistan there were barely reported issues with the locals who thought our "fresh recruits" were very attractive and would make ideal sex partners.
And anecdotal comments I've heard are pretty extreme. Apparently since women are still pretty much locked up it's dog eat dog in the city streets or big dog fuck little dog as men will step off to an ally to do their business.
The sad irony is IF ONLY THE ANTI-WAR FORCES HERE STARTED TO YELL THE TRUTH Afghanistan is where Men rape boys, you'd see the entire nation react with such revulsion we'd be out of there as soon as physically possible.
And the worst irony is as bad a nightmare for Women the Taliban were and are, they were the first group to try to put an end to the Afghan tradition of boy raping with capital punishment
In this effort Iran and the Taliban saw eye to eye for the same reasons. The Koran says it's the way to handle it.
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» Sorry, Mindy, I didn't see any references to the others in Afghanistan doing unmentionables, so....
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» How can that be when we are funding the Taliban to do what they do???
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Posted by: Prophit0 on Nov 14, 2009 5:12 AM
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One such one took place at an embassy with private contract mercs.... here is hte story on it. The pictures are graphic, so if you don't want to see them then just read the text.
This is what the US government and its Pakistani apologists will bring to Pakistan through Blackwater and other American terror militias.
Then we wonder why countries begin to hate us with this stuff going on in a basically religious country. I really wonder WHO is doing the raping of those boys frankly. Remember we just read an article how the Afghan military is basically disfunctional and we are having to do these tasks.... by "we" I mean the private contractors we have hired all over the place.
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Posted by: Tescoliatprole on Nov 14, 2009 5:28 AM
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http://www.archive.org/details/Taliban
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» This article fits with the links I provided above.
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Posted by: cmaciain on Nov 14, 2009 8:01 AM
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All rape is evil. That's it. Frankly the idea that the US supports regimes raping the females but won't support ones raping the males is appalling.
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» Come on! WAKE UP!
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» Yeah, and who says its the afghans anyway. WE have more mercenaries in AFghanistan....
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Posted by: PaulK on Nov 14, 2009 9:30 AM
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One cost of the war is that 2 million Afghans are addicted to heroin. Another cost is that American domestic heroin casualties are 5 times the war casualties. What did you expect from a sellout?
We've put the heroin cartels in charge of the country. What did you expect? A free election?
Now, when one faction or another decides that the U.S. is in actuality a nearly bankrupt nation that will leave in a year due to lack of war funds, they simply use their heroin money to buy guns for the winning side. What did you expect?
Add rape to the long list of what we sold out.
Along the way, Islam somehow got sold out too. Islam has all sorts of moral prohibitions against killing of other Muslims.
For many Americans, Jesus got sold out. If you attend a church, does this bother you?
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 14, 2009 9:50 AM
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The Taliban, say what you will about them, were beginning to put the country in order-- ending the opium trade and creating a modicum of security for Afghanis. The problem the fervored brow class in brownstone and suburb had with the Taliban was that they knocked the nose off a statue and put adulterers to death in stadiums...it came through the magic box and right into their living rooms...and it was just so illiberal that something had to be done!...something besides ignoring the death and rapine that was going on all over Afghanistan for years outside of football stadiums and the magic box.
Now, mind you, many of these were the same people who supported Brzezinski in his plan to raise up a jihad of fundementalists with the help of the ISI and Saudi intelligence to overthrow the progressive regime in Kabul--progressive, at least, in comparison with Karzai's. Brzezinski, an evil fellow, who did most of Jimmy Carter's thinking on foreign policy for him on behalf of the Rockefellar interests, was already the blood-crazed savage who had supported the Khymer Rouge in Cambodia along with...Red China. His aim has always been to destroy Russia and he wanted jihad throughout the southern tier of the USSR.
Now, who pops back up on the magic box with the Obama campaign?--Ziggy and children...one helping Lieberman move John McCain's mouth and his commentator daughter and a son, if memory serves, in the Obama sty. Now, why are we helping the Taliban--or elements of the Taliban? Why did we stand by while the OBL cavalcade traveled to safety in the halcyon days of illusory victory in Afghanistan? Why did we assist 'al Cia-dah' shock troops move through of UN sanctioned arms blockade of Yugoslavia to help kill Bosnian Serbs as they fought against our narco-terrorist KLA allies? Why do Anglo-American assets support the Soros-backed renegade oligarch--BORIS!! Yoo-hoo! BORIS! Beresovsky--in his backing of the Chechen terrorists (He actually bragged about it in the French media)?
We are keeping this region in turmoil and its people in pain--and our corporations and drug lords are making a mint, but our fervored browed neuroasthenics, do so want to solve the problems of a nation far, far away from the problems lurking in their wet-back nanny's room, the police state being erected by their 'liberal' Democratic president provided to them by Goldman Sachs, the obesity epidemic, the corruption, the unemployment, the homelessness, the jails filled with culprits in victimless crimes...the crumbling infrastructure...lets fight for the opium industry in Afghanistan...and arrest anyone who uses it... its a matter of national security, don't you know?
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Nov 14, 2009 10:08 AM
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How about Iraq: That Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction!? More bullshit!!!
Why does Obama still have us in these countries!? Even more bullshit!!!
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Posted by: maxsmart on Nov 14, 2009 12:26 PM
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In addition militarily forced dominance has an aspect of rape that shows up all around the world and our ability to control Afghan forces is mostly impossible and controlling ours is not necessarily certain either.
The Greeks and Spartans had certain values we cannot fathom because we are afraid and ignorant of them.
Anything by force is a problem which is exactly why our presence is a problem period!
Whose forced values takes precedence?
If we want it to be our values then we have to be willing to be the occupying power and that has an ongoing stiff price that really we should not be willing to pay and therefor we shouldn't be there to begin with.
Our presense there has little bearing on our national security and more to do with blowback from our original CIA adventures there and the busybody Texas millionairesses they were trying to play footsie with and impress! That support of terrorists invited terrorists to reciprocate on our own soil and continues to do so as long as we continue meddling in their own lands for oil or gas or whatever it is we are secretly after with our CIA secret agenda..
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 14, 2009 2:41 PM
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Mad Dog Albright, on one of those cheesy political shows they have on weekend mornings years and years ago, was quoted as saying that 'one of the strengths of US foreign policy was that it didn't change with the party in power.' How 'bout that, a frank, albeit backdoor, admission that there was no damned bit of difference between the Republicans and the Democrats in matters of foreign policy. I guess the big difference between the two parties is the voters... and who shapes their political Weltanschaung.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LsSppYxSHk&feature= player_embedded
(if you link, remove the space between "=" and "player")
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Now is Hillary Clinton discussing Afghanistan or is she discussing The United States of America?
The fact of the matter is until we clean up our own acts we will only be capable of creating a mirror image of our own insanity upon the rest of the world. How are we going to save the Afghan people when we can't even save ourselves?
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#@!
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http://www.rense.com/general88/trp.htm
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http://www.isgp.eu/dutroux/Belgian_X_dossiers_ of_the_Dutroux_affair.htm
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Posted by: tazdelaney on Nov 15, 2009 1:06 PM
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btw... just like merck trademarked 'cocaine' i 1867, ig farben trademarked the name 'heroin' in 1897. i have a can from my great-gramps general store, sadly empty, of 'merck's powdered opium' (aka heroin but farben owned that name.) 2 ounces for 75¢. beautifully adorned can, on its front it said, 'it'll get you through the winter' and on the back it called it, 'the old folk's friend.' though legal pharma kills 20x more than all the illegal drugs combined and no one goes to prison for those... 35 million have gone to jail in the unconstitutional (no amendment like prohibition?), drug war. and oxicodone addicts in a third the time of pure heroin... now that 2 ounces of pure heroin would go for some $20k. the drugwar has always been about two things: profits and control.
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well, the 'fundamentalist' taliban were also widely reported to enjoy boys butts and mouths, too, not just the government forces. like torture photos were for americans; these are recruiting tactics to get more men on the force. guess the anti-gay provisions of islam, based on moses disdain for such practices, causes a certain buildup of pressure on horny men? hope they're gentle, no preadolescents and use lube? soldiers historically will rape most anything on legs, men or women, but as a truckdriver told me back in the 70s hith-hiking... "it's all pink inside." in america's civil war, the most deaths were actually in the union prisons of northern virginia and maryland, where prisoners were summarily starved and some released to show the rebels their potential fate... but after the war, reports were of mass-rapes of those young rebel prisoners. same old army game to the horizons. hey, it's better than killing or torturing them; better than covering the landscape with child-targeting clusterbombs.
of bizarre note that in the opening days of this afghan war, the US dropped tens of thousands of pornographic videotapes all over afghanistan, many of which were gay porn... now that isone hell of a thing to bomb people with and again; i have to say it is better than 'a carpet of bombs.' also read recently that the US was gaining commitments from opium warlords to fight taliban by giving old chieftains stockpiles of viagra...
taking this to the limit, in the late 1990s, DoD developed what they called the 'gay bomb.' it is a superpowered aphrodisiac also loaded with viagra-level longtime erection production. it would work as well on mixed-gender groups but the idea was to aerially saturate all-male troops into becoming more concerned with sex than battle. hard to storm the enemy when hard. secondly, it was assumed that after exhausting themselves, they would be ashamed and humiliated. well, maybe not. they just might decide it is wiser to make love, not war? walk away with their new boyfriends? me, i'd like to use the 'gay bomb' on the centers of power of all the evil empires from china to america, london to tel aviv and tehran. give a real big dose to vatican, mecca and riyadh but definitely catch congress and pentagon on videotape! i want that for show at parties. "dig that 'family values' GOP guy grinning!"
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This has nothing to do with homosexuality. I assure you that the great majority of the perpetrators do not consider themselves to be gay. Homosexuality and pedophilia are NOT one and the same. To lump them together does a great disservice to all parties.
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Posted by: tazdelaney on Nov 15, 2009 4:28 PM
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you also mention clinton seretary of state madeleine 'mad dog' albright, a wench as bad as condi rice and janet reno put together. after killing (US census bureau is the place for war death stats, they've been doing it for 200 years...) 245,000 iraqis, 2/3 civilian, warring on hussein who had been an ally empowered by the USG for decades prior, until 1989, in fact... as usual, the US broke the war-crimes which the USG itself had forced to be made international law by the genea convention, by bombing civilian infrastructure such as hospitals, sanitation and water purification, etc. these crimes overwhelmingly kill children in the aftermath.
so then gwh bush gets the UN toback the US embargo against iraq. while this was allegedly done to keep hussein from gettingricher from oil; according to teh american petroleum institute, the oil companies and hussein 'got around the loopholes' and from 1995-2003, iraq was again the 3rd largest supplier of oil to the US. but teh embargo cut off food, medicine, medical supplies and equipment and sanitation/water filtration eqpt and supplies to iraq. in mid 1997, the UN released a report, signed by US officials, reporting that the embargo had already kiledsome 800,000 iraqi civilians including over half a million children. this is just plain mass human sacrifice; no better than nazi ovens.
'mad-dog' albright being interviewed on 60 Minutes by leslie stahl... ms stahl quotes the report and asks the US secretary of state "do you think this price is worth it?" albright gives her best PR smile and says, quote, "yes, we think the price is worth it." what price is worth half a million murdered children? what was gained by this genocide? does madame albright get together with rumsfeld to compare war-child-torture-snuff-porn? i'd like to ask them all, bush-bush, clinton-clinton and all these thugs, face-to-face... IN COURT!
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