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The Ft. Hood Massacre Is George Bush's Fault

By Thom Hartmann, The Smirking Chimp. Posted November 11, 2009.


If Al Gore (or even Ralph Nader) had been President in 2001, the Ft. Hood massacre almost certainly wouldn't have happened. Because George W. Bush was president, it did.
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If Bill Clinton - or, presumably, Al Gore (or even Ralph Nader) - had been President in 2001, the Ft. Hood massacre almost certainly wouldn't have happened. Because George W. Bush was president, it did. Here's why it's Bush's fault:

One of the first lessons aspiring novelists and screenwriters learn is that the goodness of a hero is defined by a single quality - the evil of his opponent. From Superman's Lex Luthor to Batman's Joker to Indiana Jones' Nazis to Luke Skywalker's Darth Vader, for a hero to be perceived as larger than life, he must have a larger than life enemy.

If Frodo in "Lord of the Rings," for example, hadn't been forced to do battle with the supernatural powers of the Ring and its minions, his story would have merely been a boring travelogue. But with an army of supernaturally brilliant, evil, and powerful opponents, Frodo had the opportunity to display his extraordinary inner courage and resourcefulness, qualities he didn't even realize he had until they were called forth by the peril of an awesome evil.

This is a lesson that was not lost on Karl Rove and George W. Bush. If they could recast George as the opponent of a power as great as the Ring, then the rather ordinary Dubya could become the extraordinary SuperGeorge, rising from his facileness to prevail over supernatural powers of evil.

Bill Clinton had a similar chance, but passed on it for the good of America and the world.

When bin Laden attacked us in the 1990s - several times - in an attempt to raise his own stature in the Islamic world, Bill Clinton dealt with Osama like the criminal he was. He enlisted Interpol and the police and investigative agencies of various nations, brought in our best intelligence agents, and missed bin Laden in a missile-launched assassination attempt by a scant twenty minutes (bringing derisive howls from Republicans that he was trying to "wag the dog" and deflect attention from the Monica investigations).

As Clinton left office, he and the CIA were tightening the noose on bin Laden, and his National Security Advisor, Sandy Berger, told me that when he briefed his successor, Condoleezza Rice, he told her to put bin Laden and al-Qaeda at the top of her priority list and thus finish the job the Clinton administration had nearly completed.

As we know, when Rice, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush, et al finally came up with the priorities for their new administration in January of 2001, al-Qaeda had been replaced by tax cuts for Bush's rich donors on the "A" list, and didn't even appear on the "B" list.

Thus came 9/11, despite over fifty explicit warnings given to the President, including the infamous August 6, 2001 CIA briefing in Crawford, Texas that in the immediate future al-Qaeda intended to hijack commercial planes and use them to attack east coast targets. (Bush apparently took the warnings seriously - Ashcroft immediately stopped flying on commercial aircraft, and Bush moved to Texas for the longest vacation in the history of the American presidency...and even when that was over, he preferred Florida to target-listed Washington, D.C.)

In the days after the 9/11 attacks - much as in the days after Tim McVeigh blew up the Murrah Building - America had the sympathy of the world, and the police and intelligence agencies of even normally hostile nations offered to help us track down and bring to justice its perpetrators.

Muslims all over the world were horrified at the actions of one of their own, a fundamentalist turned criminal and murderer.

Mullah Omar of Afghanistan's Taliban first offered to arrest bin Laden and turn him over to us (Washington Post, Page 1, October 29, 2001, "Diplomats Met With Taliban On Bin Laden" by Ottaway and Stephens) and then made an explicit offer to arrest Bin Laden and try him for the crime of 9/11 (CNN, October 7, 2001, "US Rejects Taliban Offer To Try Bin Laden"; The Guardian, October 14, 2001, "Bush Rejects Taliban Offer To Hand Bin Laden Over").

It would have been so easy for Bush to accept Omar's offer, which had resulted, according to the Post, in over 20 diplomatic meetings and negotiations. The Justice Department could have arrested Bin Laden like they did McVeigh, helped the Taliban dismantle Bin Laden's training camps and track down their attendees and sponsors, and launch an international effort to disassemble and render impotent al-Qaeda.

It probably could have been done in a year or less, given the intensity of the worldwide empathy for citizens of America and the many other nations whose people died in the World Trade Center. Over 5000 American soldiers would still be alive, and tens of thousands would not have lost arms, legs, and eyes. Hundreds of thousands - possibly over a million - innocent Afghans and Iraqis would still be alive.

But Karl Rove knew that George W. Bush had a problem, and saw in bin Laden the solution. And didn't much give a damn what it would mean to American Muslims.

Bush had not defeated Al Gore fair and square, and was seen by most Americans as a spoiler, an illegitimate leader. As soon as the details of his proposed "supply side" voodoo economics hit the press in the first months of his presidency, the markets went into a nosedive.


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Thom Hartmann is an author and nationally syndicated daily talk show host. His newest book is 'We The People: A Call To Take Back America.'

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Honkey indeed.
Posted by: thekidde on Nov 12, 2009 6:41 AM   
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RE: Cowards.
Posted by: piewackett on Nov 12, 2009 7:57 AM   
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You won't be laughing as you or some one in your family gets sick, are denied benefits or lose them all together since you can't work, then lose your home and 25% of any salary to cover medical expenses. Chuckle away.

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Honkey is an ass. He Wants to ban health care reform over Left criticism of abortion doctor's killer
Posted by: yellow on Nov 12, 2009 10:07 AM   
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In the first place there is a huge difference between the killing of the abortion doctor and the Ft. Hood massacre. Christians have been virtually the only people agitating against abortion, often violently, for a very long time. Their hysteria led to the death of several abortion doctors. Still, liberals don't attack all Christians many being Christian themselves.

There are over 3,500 Muslims in the US Armed Services. Hasan was a bad apple. He doesn't represent most Muslims. Most Muslims are loyal Americans who serve their country. They would never do what Hasan did. To stigmatize all Muslims and make them enemies of the state would be a mistake of monumental proportions. Honkey, of course, would get this and should probably be banned along with the other bigot, Prophit0.

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well the, Conservative Cowards...
Posted by: wwittman on Nov 12, 2009 12:44 PM   
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by your 'logic', are "Conservative Cowards" admitting that Dr. Tiller’s killer was a loonie right-wing Christian?

or that his extreme "religious" views ARE what drove him to murder?

I must have missed Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, Malkin, et al on this; let alone Cheney, Bush, Palin, McCain and so on

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RE: Cowards.
Posted by: Natasha_W on Nov 12, 2009 2:44 PM   
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Honkey wrote: Coward liberals had no problem mentioning the fact that DR. Tiller’s killer was a Christian. Liberals had no problem mentioning that the trailer trash that planned to assassinate Obama where white.

The REAL COWARDS are the REPUBLICANS who sent the young men and women to Iraq to fight a unnecessary war so Dubya could have his wish to be a war President!

Nuff Said!

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RE: Cowards.
Posted by: Bibsisis on Nov 12, 2009 7:17 PM   
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You are a fuckin' ignoramus and moron!!

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RE: Cowards./ ARE IN THE EYES OF THE BEHOLDER
Posted by: orwellturns on Nov 13, 2009 1:23 AM   
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In case you missed it, what Mr. Hartmann is trying to say is that we need not to make things worse by mislabeling and mishandling them, especially if there is a personal gain in doing so. The enormity of what George W did is beyond fixing or taking back, lets not go overboard again and make this situation more than it is. Put yourself in Hasan's place, it must have been pure torture (ooops!) to counsel soldiers coming back from battle and having to hear some of the horrendous stories. I think he went nuts, especially since he was going to get deployed to Afghanistan. NOBODY excuses what he did though, so don't get that wrong either HONKEY.

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When good is choreographed to appear
Posted by: weathered on Nov 12, 2009 2:58 AM   
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bad and bad is manipulated to appear good, you're at a tipping point.

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» Answer the question ? Posted by: weathered
» RE: Answer the question ? Posted by: yellow
» RE: Answer the question ? Posted by: weathered
George's 777 Days
Posted by: Emmories on Nov 12, 2009 3:35 AM   
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Now I know WHY former president Bush spent 487 days at Camp David and 490 days in Texas!! One-third of his presidency in hiding.

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» RE: George's 777 Days Posted by: Bibsisis
Are you serious?
Posted by: jdlark on Nov 12, 2009 4:39 AM   
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Sounds like somebody hates the right wing, (and George Bush) as much as the terrorists hate America. What would you have done after 9/11? Probably nothing and believed in the method. There is much more to all of this than what you present. I am grateful we had GW in office, and wish he was still there. I don't care for our current Muslim sympathizer in office now, but I'm sure you love him. Why can't we admit to the truth now and then. These guys were whacked, are whacked, and will always be whacked. NOTHING will stop them from wanting to kill us!! They MUST be dealt with as a serious threat! If they had been, the soldiers at Ft. Hood would still be alive. Go stick your head back in the sand.

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» RE: Are you serious? Posted by: taxidave
» RE: Are you serious? Posted by: jdorsey
» RE: Are you serious? Posted by: yellow
» RE: Are you serious? Posted by: Bibsisis
I burned my grilled cheese sandwich last night, despite the fact...
Posted by: franklyspanking on Nov 12, 2009 4:53 AM   
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...that we've had a democrat-controlled Congress for the last three years and a democrat as our president for almost a year.

Obviously, the republicans are to blame. And Pharaoh.

You status quo morons are killing us...perhaps your new favorite domestic terrorist went rogue because he bought into that bullsh*t hope and change line your Chumpion of the Status Quo trick pony was peddling? A bit of bait and (predictably) switch never hurt anyone, did it?

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We’re looking more and more like Paraguay
Posted by: sunnywater on Nov 12, 2009 5:15 AM   
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Did Gore and Kerry allow the Bush administration to steal both elections?

Both of the last two elections were conceded by the Democratic presidential candidate. The 2004 election was handed to George Bush while votes were still being counted.

The 2000 election was contested to the Supreme Court, it was ultimately conceded to Bush "for the good of the country."

Collusion?

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» What an insult to Paraguay Posted by: MyLeftFoot
» RE: What an insult to Paraguay Posted by: kellysgarden
» RE: What an insult to Paraguay Posted by: Bibsisis
Unbelievable -- what a fool
Posted by: scheherezade on Nov 12, 2009 5:17 AM   
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And that band of thugs run by Bin Laden no more represented the interests or opinions of the majority of the world's Muslims than Tim McVeigh represented the majority of America's Christians.

How does the author know? Has he personally interviewed "the majority of the world's Muslims?"

Has he read the many Muslim religious writings that explicity advocate Hasan's actions? Does he understand them?

By denying Hasan's own responsibility for his vicious, religion-grounded actions this cartoonish article is a gift to conservatives that affirms "liberal" inability to focus on "personal responsibility."

Perhaps one day Alternet will take a critical eye to the words and actions of the "majority of the world's Muslims," including those in America, instead of idealizing their motives as "just like ours."

If groups of color, Hispanics, etc. anywhere in the world were oppressed as women under the Taliban were, people like Hartmann would be all over it. But an ideology that specifically advocates the torture and abuse of half the global population...nary a word. Pretty gutless.

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911 was a coup d'etat
Posted by: moloko velocet on Nov 12, 2009 5:27 AM   
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We caught and prosecuted the "Blind Cleric" who bombed the WTC back in the 90's...he's sitting in Supermax, mumbling his mantras, and will be for the rest of his miserable life. Why? Precisely because the first WTC attack was treated as A CRIME....not an excuse for an imperial perpetual war (Crusade)!

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» RE: 911 was a coup d'etat Posted by: weathered
» RE: 911 was a coup d'etat Posted by: clvngodess
Caesar777
Posted by: Caesar77 on Nov 12, 2009 5:39 AM   
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Thom; you forgot to mention the crimes of Britain on the citizens of Ireland. That's what made the IRA necessary in the first place.
By the way in the case of Ireland, Irish men where fighting for their freedom from institutionalized sectarianism and many more abuses by a foreign power.
One man's terrorist, is another man's freedom fighter.

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» RE: Caesar777 Posted by: richholland
Too funny
Posted by: bigbrother on Nov 12, 2009 5:50 AM   
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what bull shit - 15 years from now when health care has totally bankrupted this nation liberals will blame George Bush!

Has anyone on the left checked poll rating lately.. the left is shooting itself in the foot and will lose , AGAIN, the large majority they have in congress - BECAUSE, of their inability to look at problems realistically and develop realistic solutions.

How about this tragedy is a result of the politically correctness in this nation that seems to have put blinders on our government - we are at war with MUSLIM extremists - MUSLIMS in the military is like a wolf guarding the hens - in their eyes, it's Islam first and America a distanct last!

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» RE: Too funny Posted by: jdorsey
» Learn to fucking write Posted by: youngturk321
Israel's gifts to America
Posted by: weathered on Nov 12, 2009 5:56 AM   
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acrimony, angst and a inexhaustable supply of trouble - all very carefully packaged and presented w/the fraudulent and phony energy of a hollywood production. Enjoy

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» RE: Israel's gifts to America Posted by: Bibsisis
Loners Must Be Watched
Posted by: melpol on Nov 12, 2009 6:01 AM   
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There are millions of loners, each one can possibly flip and go on a shooting spree. The vast majority have no prior arrest record. Neighbors that keep to themselves must be watched for suspicious activity. An outreach program must be developed by the government. The loner must be visited and often questioned. The wrong answer will set off an alarm. It can prevent an innocent person from being murdered or maimed.

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» RE: Loners Must Be Watched Posted by: robert.noll
'No"
Posted by: Richardsievert on Nov 12, 2009 6:40 AM   
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Your all wrong it was Georg bushes fault because he let us down he let all the soldiers down the CIA let them down the FBI and the 'NOW NWO" Even let them down because with all this it still happened and with all of this we are still there and many are dieing for a lie' And our people are waking up to the matrix that where really in one where we have no choice except to suffer' Just like the movie one where we have no voice' And soon the whole Ant Christ System will fail because you cannot keep love in a stranglehold without dieing yourself from anther person grabbing you,
"To try to open the passage way so that love'
Can have a simple needed thing called air. This soldier was choking and no one was there to see that it was bushes fault in deed. I am and average American I quit paying for my auto insurance because it is one of the robot's that feeds the matrix' And i don't care anymore what i am called for what i believe and if i cannot pick my children up from school because i go to jail for it. Soon there will a jail for them that you cannot see.

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» RE: 'No" Posted by: Bibsisis
AlterNet tripe
Posted by: McGovern72! on Nov 12, 2009 7:11 AM   
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Tripe like the title to this article is exactly why alternet just doesn't carry any weight any more. They will carry ANYTHING.

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» RE: AlterNet tripe Posted by: Blacktiger
» RE: AlterNet tripe Posted by: mn
» RE: AlterNet tripe Posted by: Bibsisis
For Ralph Nader to be president...
Posted by: greenferret on Nov 12, 2009 7:14 AM   
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he would have had to be allowed in the debates. The Commission on Presidential Debates, a private corporation owned by Republican and Democratic party bosses, wasn't about to let that happen.

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Thom Hartmann - Thank You for your wisdom
Posted by: jdorsey on Nov 12, 2009 7:34 AM   
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Since the days after 9/11, I have been so frustrated with the lack of information available to the TV watching, narrow-minded citizens of the United States. Too many of my fellow Americans only want to blame everyone else for our mistakes. They don't want to accept the truth....that so many of the people in charge have screwed this country and our priorities up so badly, that we have resorted to living in a constant state of DENIAL. Why are the masses so easily manipulated by the networks? I have wondered every day since September 11, 2001: Why didn't the Bush administration follow up on the previous administration's intel on Al Quida? Why did the Bush administration ignore explicit warnings about imminent attacks on the U.S.? As American citizens, we need to be involved in the activities of our government. We The People can't stand by and watch and accept everything. We need to ask the tough questions. Instead, we choose sides: Liberals against Conservatives. Bush against Clinton, etc. Stop! Think! Get your information from other sources. ABC, CNN, FOX....they are only interested in one thing...PROFITS. They will feed you any garbage that promotes their self - interests. They will use religion, patriotism, and fear to manipulate you. I see these name calling hate-filled posts here, and I fear for my children and grandchildren. Instead of attacking everyone who does not agree with you, check out everything Thom Hartmann says in this article. There is so much information available to everyone....use it. Ask yourself, "have I been a lemming? Is it possible that Thom is right?" Then do your own investigation. Truth is the only thing that can help us. Be the solution to war and hate and killing and facsism. Be honest, first, with yourself, then with the rest of the world, and we can save this country and this planet. Peace !

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Almost there
Posted by: teddy on Nov 12, 2009 8:05 AM   
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This line is not quite accurate: "...a hero to be perceived as larger than life, he must have a larger than life enemy."

Rather, the hero must overcome the larger-than-life enemy. That's how he becomes larger than life. As well, he discovers resources within himself he did not know he had.

By this standard, Obama is a pathetic fizzle, a wet firecracker.

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I can appreciate objective analysis
Posted by: piewackett on Nov 12, 2009 8:07 AM   
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A nice analysis of testosterone based governing, thank you. You need to expand on the cause-effect on the soldiers actions- how does the self-serving actions of the previous administration cause a military trained individual to go bonkers? Does he feel trapped? Getting inside his head won't be easy as there are no news reports, official statements, emails or public history to back up an analysis. The article doesn't really make the connection the headline suggests.

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Please stop the divide & conquer propaganda!
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Nov 12, 2009 8:16 AM   
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I know it has worked for a long time, but our tribal differences must be put aside if we're to save this failing nation!

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It's Obama's fault, too
Posted by: geezjan on Nov 12, 2009 8:49 AM   
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Obama is continuing the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. He is continuing the abuse of detainees. He is defending in court the abuses of the Bush gang, and perpetuating their policies. He is bombing civilians in the region from the air.

And let's not even get into the tens of thousands of Iraqi children that died because of Clinton's eight years of embargo and bombing of Iraq.

Bush was a criminal. But that doesn't make Clinton and Obama innocent. They're simply criminals who can speak English well.

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» RE: It's Obama's fault, too Posted by: Bibsisis
Ft. Hood was a mutiny involving multiple shooters
Posted by: whole2th on Nov 12, 2009 8:55 AM   
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Fort Hood experienced a mutiny

There were multiple shooters.

What happened at Fort Hood is likely a mutiny with the perpetrators -- assuming they are really the ones who lash out -- suffering from profound psychological pain as oppressed members of the Army that sought to denigrate and control their lives by intense pressure (through brutalization in dehumanization, like in the film Full Metal Jacket) to shut up and serve "honorably" in prosecuting the war (Peace Through Superior Firepower) regardless of the moral question of war in objection -- the concealed motives and lies about the real reason for continued occupation and exploitation of Afghanistan. We know better because the Internet have blown the lid on the real motives -- Euroasian oil and natural gas and imperialistic drive to contain Iran and other hostile nations designated "existential threat" to Zionist regime of Israel and U.S. interests.

Again, the shadow government with a fawning Zionist-controlled mass media puts out the 'lone gunman' propaganda to attempt to put a lid on the mutiny. As icing on the cake, the 'lone gunman' is one of the boogey men: Islamic radicals.

We are catching on to the big lies more quickly Judgement is soon to be upon the real terrorists of the world. Guitar Bill and Encino should reflect upon the fate of their bosses.



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» Who would of thunk it Posted by: EncinoM
OMG! Give us a break!!!
Posted by: Blacktiger on Nov 12, 2009 10:31 AM   
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When will the world realize that G.W.Bush sacrificed all the people in the WTC twin towers to force a false flag war. He has driven your country's monetary value and reputation into the ditch. He did all this under the blessing of his daddy who is one of the Drivers of the Bus to the city of ONE WORLD ORDER. Get over it, there are two ways to go, accept or stand up and tell you leaders to follow your orders, not make orders for you to follow.
Finding and killing Osama Bin Laden is a *blind*.

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» RE: OMG! Give us a break!!! Posted by: jdorsey
» RE: OMG! Give us a break!!! Posted by: Bibsisis
» RE: OMG! Give us a break!!! Posted by: VZEQICVA
rediculous
Posted by: dada on Nov 12, 2009 11:17 AM   
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How much does Soros pay you to say this trash? Or should I say, your "progressive demorat" propaganda?

American politics has been under banker-corporate-Israeli control for almost a century.

If Al Gore had been president,nothing would be different - except we'd have had our first Israeli president (Lieberman) after they knocked-off Gore. (Which is probably why Gore didn't even try to fight the stolen election).

Wake up, people.

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» RE: rediculous Posted by: Bibsisis
» RE: rediculous Posted by: dada
Drug Screens
Posted by: marine130103 on Nov 12, 2009 11:38 AM   
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Does AlterNet give it's writers drug screens? The delusions that this writer is having indicates he has a problem.

Under the logic of liberals who claim that Bush was asleep at the wheel on 9/11 then blame for Ft. Hood lies clearly with Obama.

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» RE: Drug Screens Posted by: VZEQICVA
Unfortunately...
Posted by: talldarkangelic on Nov 12, 2009 11:46 AM   
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...the 9/11 attack was a collective failure on all our parts.

Mainly, we allowed Bush and his cabal get away with stealing both his elections, then we allowed his enablers in both parties to enact his agenda of tax cuts for the rich, complete deregulation and the rest of that ridiculous, Rand-Greenspan-Friedman theory of "government is bad".

And now, we're standing back again as the same corporate interests are hijacking the debate on health care, climate change and economic policy, this time with the Democrats in charge.

Bush may have pulled the trigger, but we gave him the weapon.

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» RE: Unfortunately... Posted by: Bibsisis
billybookworm
Posted by: billybookworm on Nov 12, 2009 12:04 PM   
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While assigned to comphibpac in the early 1970's I was tasked to read numerous studies and white papers on counter insurgency. The Bush/Cheney branding of Bin Laden et al as anything other than a band of criminals is directly contrary to counter insurgency warfare principles. It only legitimzes the enemy and strengthens it. The lack of success and immeasurable cost of that lack of success enjoyed by Bush/Cheney is the foreseeable result of ignoring 3000 years of lessons in warfare. This article is right on.

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I think I'll take a page out of the left...
Posted by: Augustus_818 on Nov 12, 2009 5:52 PM   
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And just start blaming all my problems on George Bush.

I don't get that big promotion, it's George Bush's fault.

My girlfriend doesn't fuck me in the evening, why she must be fucking George Bush.

All my cocaine's gone. Goddamnit! It's gotta be George Bush.

I hate the guy as much as anyone else. But I gotta tell ya the Right and Left in this country are starting to sound like one of those couples you see on Jerry Springer.

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Cockroaches deserve air much more than george bush,
Posted by: abusedbypenguins on Nov 12, 2009 6:52 PM   
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the cheney creature and the rice thing. Those miserable pieces-of-shit have done more damage to the American people and humanity as a whole than hitler could ever dream of doing. They and their nasty republican ass-wipe buddies stole 2 presidential elections to do nothing more than to create a very rich corporate elite and the rest us as serfs. I have a sign that reads "Republicans and dogs; keep off the grass". A republican is nothing more than a want-a-be nazi. They are nasty, cruel, vicious, selfish creatures.

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» RE: Cockroaches, WOW! Posted by: Caleb Darkstar
This is a weak argument for those whom call themselves progressive
Posted by: Caleb Darkstar on Nov 13, 2009 6:03 AM   
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It would seem that many young self proclaimed progressives have hit a wall in their personal progression. That wall is life. The wall is built with blocks of truth and mortared with reality.

I guess it was inevitable that this would happen. For many of today’s young the only political hierarchy that they have known in their adulthood is the Busch administration. And it's much easier to criticize decisions of others than to find viable solutions.

I have had the fortune and misfortune to live though the Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Busch SR., Clinton, Busch Jr., and Now Obama administrations. I can recall admirable achievements as well as dismal failures from all of these administrations.

The trick is to move on, to look ahead, and to PROGRESS. If you have identified recent failures through hindsight then use that information to facilitate solutions with foresight. But to live in the past and constantly rehash failure is a monument to futility.

I think we can all agree that there is nothing sadder than an old 60s hippie who still sits around and cries about Nixon. Don't be the modern day equivalent of that.


I don't pretend to know that much about the writer of this piece, but it seems his tool box for writing about current issues contains only a hammer, and so every issue becomes a nail. It’s a very shallow response.

Personally, I think this guy was an unstable coward and a jihadist wannabe. He has become what most would regard as a terrorist by committing what most would regard as an act of terrorism. It was his demented "blaze of glory" exit, and he screwed it up by missing his exit. He is a murderer, nothing more or less.

However, to try to pin this on any single person, administration, ideology, or religion is ridiculous, it’s much too complex an issue.

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Why Does This Guy Exist?
Posted by: marat on Nov 13, 2009 6:19 PM   
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Anybody who spells his name "Thom" instead of "Tom" is a pretentious status seeker who has some sort of problem with his self-esteem which is why he has to add an additional letter in his nickname.

Clearly, "Thom" cannot think very well. This story has no merit. The thought behind his dismal attempt to be impressive is stupid and childish. It insults the intelligence of any reader, liberal or conservative.

Additionally, "Thom" has probably written some of the postings which praise him, or had his wife do it. The guy is a very tiny joke.

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FT HOOD MASSACRE IS THOM HARTMANN'S FAULT
Posted by: marat on Nov 13, 2009 6:48 PM   
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Nidal Hasan listened to the radio in the mornings sometimes having the misfortune of getting Air America on the airwaves. It actually happened first by accident. The announcer said this is Air America and he thought it was the CIA Airforce Division that existed for the CIA. Its heydey was during Vietnam when the Air America ran bodybags of our dead boys back to the good old US of A loaded up with heroin.

Be that as it may, it was the Thom Hartmann Show that Hasan heard on the air. Listening to it for at least two weeks in a row had the effect of driving him completely insane. This guy who spelled his name most pretentiously said the most illogical things. One day, while arguing furiously with some phony libertarian, "Thom" screamed out, "FREEDOM IS ANARCHY!"

Now we all know that freedom is not anarchy. And so did Hasan. But after listening for two whole weeks to the ravings of the silly lunatic "Thom," Hasan lost it.

That's when he pulled out his weapons and even though he never shot a pistol before he managed to kill many men who although they had fought in battles before, somehow were powerless to take down Hasan.

They say that Hasan cried out before he started shooting. Something in Arabic, whatever that phrase is that gentle peace loving Muslims shout out before they do something very bad although it escapes me at the moment what the phrase is because Hasan never said it.

What he shouted was, "Thom Is A Moron!" People just thought he said the other thing.

Then he started his killing spree. But a woman just like Jessica Lynch saved the entire Ft. Hood world of zillions of big strong men who lived together in homoerotic soldierliness. Only we found out recently that wasn't entirely accurate. Just like Jessica Lynch, the story about the female cop being a hero was a lie.

In fact, the only truthful about the Ft. Hood Massacre is that it was Thom Hartmann's fault.

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Hate Crime
Posted by: Romans1 on Nov 13, 2009 9:46 PM   
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Under the new law, wouldn't the murders qualify as a hate crime?

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» RE: Hate Crime Posted by: joe2171
Sure it was Bush's fault that the muslims want to kill all of us...
Posted by: joe2171 on Nov 14, 2009 9:35 AM   
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"Officials Begin Putting Shooting Pieces Together," by Tom Gjelten, Daniel Zwerdling and Steve Inskeep for NPR, November 6

They have grand rounds, right? They, you know, dozens of medical staff come into an auditorium, and somebody stands at the podium at the front and gives a lecture about some academic issue, you know, what drugs to prescribe for what condition. But instead of that, he, Hasan, apparently gave a long lecture on the Koran and talked about how if you don't believe, you are condemned to hell. Your head is cut off. You're set on fire. Burning oil is burned down your throat.

And I said to the psychiatrist, but this could be a very interesting informational session, right? Where he's educating everybody about the Koran. He said but what disturbed everybody was that Hasan seemed to believe these things. And actually, a Muslim in the audience, a psychiatrist, raised his hand and said, excuse me. But I'm a Muslim and I do not believe these things in the Koran, and then I don't believe what you say the Koran says. And then Hasan didn't say, well, I'm just giving you one point of view. He basically just stared the guy down.


According to this, Hasan made four assertions about the Koran:
1. "If you don't believe, you are condemned to hell";
2. If you don't believe, "your head is cut off";
3. If you don't believe, "you're set on fire";
4. If you don't believe, "burning oil is burned down your throat."

Then a Muslim in the audience confronted Hasan: " I don't believe what you say the Koran says."

Well, what the Koran says is a matter for objective verification. Just open the book and read it. Does it say what Hasan said it says, or does it not?

1. "If you don't believe, you are condemned to hell"

"Lo! Allah will gather hypocrites and disbelievers, all together, into hell" -- Koran 4:140

"Lo! hell verily is all around the disbelievers." -- Koran 9:49

"Allah promiseth the hypocrites, both men and women, and the disbelievers fire of hell for their abode." -- Koran 9:68

"O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end." -- Koran 9:73

And there are many others.

2. If you don't believe, "your head is cut off"

"Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): 'I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.'" -- Koran 8:12

"Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks..." -- Koran 47:4

3. If you don't believe, "you're set on fire"

"Verily Allah has cursed the Unbelievers and prepared for them a Blazing Fire" -- Koran 33:64

"And if any believe not in Allah and His Messenger, We have prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!" -- Koran 48:13

"Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers manacles and carcans and a raging fire." -- Koran 76:4

There are many others.

4. If you don't believe, "burning oil is burned down your throat."

"And say: 'The truth is from your Lord.' Then whosoever wills, let him believe, and whosoever wills, let him disbelieve. Verily, We have prepared for the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers, etc.), a Fire whose walls will be surrounding them (disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah). And if they ask for help (relief, water, etc.) they will be granted water like boiling oil, that will scald their faces. -- Koran 18:29

"Surely the tree of the Zaqqum is the food of the sinful. Like dregs of oil, it shall boil in (their) bellies,like the boiling of hot water." -- Koran 44:43-46

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