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Did Big Oil Win the War in Iraq?
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Last week, ExxonMobil became the first U.S. oil company in 35 years to sign an oil-production contract with the government of Iraq.
As I write, several other contracts with the world’s largest oil companies are being finalized, and more are expected when a new negotiating round kicks off in Baghdad on Dec. 11.
Do these contracts represent a "victory" for Big Oil in Iraq? Yes, but not one as big as the companies had hoped for (at least, not yet).
Before the United States and Britain invaded Iraq in March 2003, their oil companies were shut out of oil-production contracts being negotiated by the government of Saddam Hussein. Today, more than six years of war later, Saddam is gone, and the U.S. and British oil companies are not only in on the oil contracts, they have managed to sweeten the terms.
However, organized resistance by Iraqis and people around the world has thus far succeeded in denying Big Oil its Big Prize: passage of the Iraq Oil Law, alternatively called Iraq Hydrocarbons Law, which would grant far greater control over Iraqi oil to foreign companies on terms much less favorable to Iraq than the current contracts provide.
If the negotiations proceed on their current path, foreign companies will produce the vast majority of Iraq’s oil. How much control they will exert, and who will reap the greatest benefits (and endure the steepest costs) is yet to be determined.
Before the Invasion
In January 2000, 10 days into President George W. Bush’s first term, representatives of the largest oil and energy companies joined the new administration to form the Cheney Energy Task Force. As part of its deliberations, the task force reviewed a series of lists titled "Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts" naming more than 60 companies from some 30 countries with contracts in various stages of negotiation.
None of contracts were with American nor major British companies, and none could take effect while the U.N. Security Council sanctions against Iraq remained in place. Three countries held the largest contracts: China, Russia and France -- all members of the Security Council and all in a position to advocate for the end of sanctions.
Were Saddam to remain in power and the sanctions to be removed, these contracts would take effect, and the U.S. and its closest ally would be shut out of Iraq’s great oil bonanza.
After the Invasion
The invasion of Iraq dealt handily with the problem of U.S. and British exclusion. ExxonMobil, Chevron, BP, ConocoPhillips and other major oil companies met with the Iraqi government on countless occasions, and the Iraqis tried to make deals.
But the oil companies, backed aggressively by the Bush administration, steadfastly insisted that contracts would only be signed after the Iraq Oil Law was passed. They nearly prevailed on several occasions, but organized resistance in and outside of Iraq has continually stymied the law’s passage.
Several forces have conspired to bring the oil companies to the negotiating table today.
Most recently and significantly, Iraq’s Parliament has refused to even consider the law until after the January 2010 elections. It is quite likely that a new government hostile to the interests of foreign (particularly U.S. and British) oil companies could come to power in those elections, making passage of the law much less likely. The deals being offered today would be the best the companies would be likely to get.
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Posted by: union steamfitter on Nov 14, 2009 2:51 AM
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Posted by: eosrk on Nov 14, 2009 4:46 AM
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Posted by: LeonBNJ on Nov 14, 2009 5:21 AM
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Posted by: peterjkraus on Nov 14, 2009 5:56 AM
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Those of us who had a good inkling about the true cause of the war -- and trumpeted it -- can rejoice: we damn well knew it all along. All the made-in-China Support Our Troops-stickers and all the Democracy and Freedom bullshit that had the masses enthralled was window dressing for the rapacious Big Oil companies that would gladly have sacrificed ten times the American soldiers who died for them: Chevron board member Condi Rice and Chevron adviser Hamid Karzai are the tip of the iceberg that is waiting for the day when compliant "politicians" in both Iraq and Afghanistan are "elected" to positions of absolute power. Then, we'll see what contracts signed today are worth.
Another war for Democracy and Freedom, anyone?
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Posted by: weathered on Nov 14, 2009 6:56 AM
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As long as WE let the Liars continue to Lie, we'll suffer - take back the media its an accomplice to the crimes. The real criminals are in Great Neck, Aspen, TelAviv.....
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» RE: Telling half-truths again, "reverend"? Here's a 1985 article from the NY Times on Findley.
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Posted by: kettleblack on Nov 14, 2009 7:32 AM
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Why did Bush-Cheney hold secret meetings to determine America's energy policy? So they could take by force, what they could not get by peaceful means. The oil reserves in the Middle East.
There was no public discussion, as most Americans would not have voted to go to war for oil. So, they made up lies to get us into war.
They created an imaginary threat (nuclear bomb), and played on America's fears.
But, now we are in two wars without end, and chasing a ghost all around the oil fields in the Middle East.
So, the Cheney Energy Plan is to militarily control the oil in the region, and zero investment in any other forms of energy. Putting all your eggs in one basket is a gambler's desperation. Usually, is fails.
It was never up for public discussion, but could we have done better by spending a trillion dollars and eight years on alternative energy sources, instead of killing a million Iraqis?
We might not need that oil today, had we invested wisely.
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Posted by: rmuldavin on Nov 14, 2009 8:08 AM
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Today (14Nov09) your first two articles would not download on either crrpl nor WBSM, but the third article (Did Big Oil WIn the War in Iraq?).
Let me check the WBSM again.... Got the first two articles now the third.
{comments-rm: I have to confess that my thoughts are "petty" in regard to other persons inspite of trying to discipline myself, and "mal" in regards to "states" or "governments", thus the thrid story about the role of religious bias in shaping increased push for slective population growth is timely, but "all needs to be examined in detail".
So let the games begin. AterNet, your webpage is great, I was watching Al Gore while this was happening on the our other satellite DishTv, and thank your commentators and staff for getting the revolution rotating, a helix of truth.
Best, rm
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Posted by: frankly1 on Nov 14, 2009 8:10 AM
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Posted by: lclark on Nov 14, 2009 8:30 AM
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Use public resources to advance private profit.
As in use national wealth to fund wars to grab resources for multinationals. There's that pipeline in Afghanistan the Taliban wanted to high a fee for.....
In the U.S. you see toll roads build with tax revenue sold off to private multinationals for a nickel on the dollar.
2/3 of the public water systems created with public revenue are now in the hands of multinationals.
You pay off the government officials, reward those who enable the transfer of public assets to multinationals.
It's simply corruption of the Republic.
The Donkeys and Elephants are feeding high on the hill and when they relieve themselves it will trikle down to the citizens.
"All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others."
At least we get to place comments in the free-speech zone and talk to ourselves......:-)
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Posted by: bettyn on Nov 14, 2009 9:23 AM
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Posted by: tazdelaney on Nov 14, 2009 11:06 AM
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while the US/UN embargo against iraq was said to be to thwart hussein making more money from iraq's oil; according to the american petroleum institute, by 1995, having gotten through the 'loopholes' iraq was again the 3rd largest supplier of oil to the big oil companies and american consumers.
there's been confusion as to how the iraq war had to do with oil, since by the end of 2003, the iraqi oil pipelines were down and even iraqis were having to buy halliburton's imported gasoline. but what has been less seen is how saudi arabia filled that gap with its oil and the saudis and big 4 oil companies made the largest profits in business history, into the trillions of dollars from 2003-2009, with exxon-mobil alone making $42 billion in pure profit in just 2007. doesn't it just make you feel like a sucker thinking back on spending $5 a gallon to fill up that 20mpg SUV? why, it was your patriotic duty to help support the ultra-rich war-profiteers...
big surprise that the iraqis, who have so much reason to be thankful for their 'liberation' are now to be cut out of any profit-sharing on the sea of oil they happen to have been born on, a sea of oil apparently owned by corrupt governments, corrupt corporations – 'our oil.'
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Posted by: tazdelaney on Nov 14, 2009 11:14 AM
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while certain of the corrupt iraqi vichy puppet government officials and business-persons will make out like the bandits that they are; by and large, the iraqi people will see none of the money, jobs or benefits from their oil. hopefully, their patriots (aka 'insurgents' or 'terrorists') will continuously destroy the oil drilling plants and pipelines so as to make the profiteers on iraqi misery suffer a wee bit.
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Posted by: SagaciousD on Nov 14, 2009 11:20 AM
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So far, the developed nations have mostly avoided direct conflict with each other (well, at least since WWII) in favor of racing each other to smash-and-grab from the weaker countries that could not defend their sizable oil reserves. It was the more profitable strategy, given the pain that advanced militaries could inflict on each other. But what happens when all of the big reserves have been grabbed by the Powers? Will they be content with whatever distribution is settled upon? Not for long, I reckon. Bidding wars could easily escalate into shooting wars for the last few billions of barrels of extractable oil. We live in interesting times.
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Posted by: AlwaysAskWhy on Nov 14, 2009 12:51 PM
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Acknowledged that this is a paraphrase of Clinton's attitude, but could anything be MORE CONFIRMING that Bush/Cheney's ATTACK ON and OCCUPATION OF IRAQ WERE PURELY FOR PROFIT?
MASS-MURDER-FOR-PROFIT. WHEN WILL WE SEE PROSECUTIONS???
MR. HOLDER?
HELLO?!
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Posted by: AlwaysAskWhy on Nov 14, 2009 12:56 PM
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UNOCAL testified in front of congress in 1998 about the 'feasibility' of running a pipeline through Afghanistan - in which they said that it would be impossible... UNLESS there is but ONE governing power in Afghanistan... VOILA! HAMIT KARZAI! (jeez, how did he get there?)
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Posted by: AlwaysAskWhy on Nov 14, 2009 1:08 PM
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http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/sardi7.html
Is an Oil Pipeline Behind the War in Afghanistan?
by Bill Sardi
Testimony before the US Congress is circulating on the internet. It pertains to a proposed oil pipeline through Central Asia that is applicable to the current war in Afghanistan.
On February 12, 1998, John J. Maresca, vice president, international relations for UNOCAL oil company, testified before the US House of Representatives, Committee on International Relations. Maresca provided information to Congress on Central Asia oil and gas reserves and how they might shape US foreign policy. UNOCAL's problem? As Maresca said: "How to get the region's vast energy resources to the markets." The oil reserves are in areas north of Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan and Russia. Routes for a pipeline were proposed that would transport oil on a 42-inch pipe southward thru Afghanistan for 1040 miles to the Pakistan coast. Such a pipeline would cost about $2.5 billion and carry about 1 million barrels of oil per day.
Maresca told Congress then that: "It's not going to be built until there is a single Afghan government. That's the simple answer."
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/1984459.stm
Monday, 13 May, 2002, 10:20 GMT 11:20 UK
Afghanistan plans gas pipeline
Oil pipelines
The pipeline is Afghanistan's biggest foreign investment project
Afghanistan hopes to strike a deal later this month to build a $2bn pipeline through the country to take gas from energy-rich Turkmenistan to Pakistan and India.
Afghan interim ruler Hamid Karzai is to hold talks with his Pakistani and Turkmenistan counterparts later this month on Afghanistan's biggest foreign investment project, said Mohammad Alim Razim, minister for Mines and Industries told Reuters.
"The work on the project will start after an agreement is expected to be struck at the coming summit," Mr Razim said.
The construction of the 850-kilometre pipeline had been previously discussed between Afghanistan's former Taliban regime, US oil company Unocal and Bridas of Argentina.
The project was abandoned after the US launched missile attacks on Afghanistan in 1999.
US company preferred
Mr Razim said US energy company Unocal was the "lead company" among those that would build the pipeline, which would bring 30bn cubic meters of Turkmen gas to market annually.
Unocal - which led a consortium of companies from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Turkmenistan, Japan and South Korea - has maintained the project is both economically and technically feasible once Afghan stability was secured.
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Posted by: richard0a37 on Nov 14, 2009 2:41 PM
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http://www.bushstole04.com/ Obama_Presidency.htm/obama_oil_gas.htm
http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175121
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 14, 2009 3:09 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LsSppYxSHk&feature= player_embedded
(if you link, remove the space between "=" and "player" that I added to get below the Alternet 60 limit on characters)
Just where did all of the Obamanoids go? They were thick as fleas not long ago. One would have thought it would take more than a couple of flushes to make all of that 'hope' and 'change' disappear from between their ears. Does Goldman Sachs have their tongue?...along with their job, house, retirement and future...
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 14, 2009 3:38 PM
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/13/fal luja-cancer-children-birth-defects
This was noted at what the State Department once called the foremost disinformation site on the internet...Rense.com.
Let's take a moment to remember that saintly woman, Clinton's Secretary of State, Mad Dog Albright, who opined that sanctions against Iraq were 'worth the price'...of tens of thousands of dead children...Apparently, liberal Democrats and Neo-Scum Republicans had this in common--they all thought that it was worth the price! Exxon has its contracts, Iraq has its million dead and million more displaced and untold wounded and the US taxpayer gets the bill for Halliburton's cash cow of a war. Everybody wins!! Right folks?!
DOWN WITH THE DEMOPUBLICAN BANKER REGIME! TROOPS HOME NOW!...well, isn't that what Goldman Sachs' Man Friday promised?
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Posted by: rmillsap on Nov 14, 2009 4:38 PM
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Posted by: maxsmart on Nov 14, 2009 4:48 PM
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Posted by: richholland on Nov 15, 2009 2:08 AM
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They didnt look fancy but you could burn wood and coal instead gasoline.
I wonder do we really need allways petrol.
What if carbuilders really would change to other energy??
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Posted by: bigbrother on Nov 15, 2009 5:41 AM
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BTW, better we win the war on oil than China or Iran!
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» our oil addiction
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Posted by: champss on Nov 15, 2009 6:19 AM
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The Saudi lack of real cooperation after 9-11 also served as Realpolitik reasoning for the invasion. Plus the fact that the Saudis felt we could never wean ourselves off their oil reinforced the US position for invasion.
Prior to the war Iraq's oil reserves were untested. Saddam would not allow any surveys. After the war and testing the Iraq's oil reserves are listed as 3rd largest.
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Posted by: AJR Journal on Nov 15, 2009 6:35 AM
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What a miracle of human endeavor!!
Gas in Milwaukee today is $2.59 per gallon!
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Posted by: Hans B on Nov 15, 2009 3:50 PM
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Posted by: batteredup on Nov 15, 2009 8:21 PM
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Uh, idiot George didn't seize power until Jan. 20, 2001. So ten days into his regime would have been Jan. 30, 2001.
So was this the actual date? It would be refreshing to see more journalists adhere to dissemination of FACTS and worry less about abstract language games being passed off as pretty prose.
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Posted by: InsertNameHere on Nov 15, 2009 11:31 PM
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Posted by: jacklang0001 on Nov 17, 2009 5:58 AM
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have some cheap things ...
nike shoes, fashion clothes ;brand handbags ,wallet ...
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have some cheap things ...
nike shoes, fashion clothes ;brand handbags ,wallet ...
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Posted by: oilprice on Nov 17, 2009 4:21 PM
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Europe, the US and China are cutting everyone else out of the oil supply. Read this article from Oil-Price.net
The days of oil are numbered and we know it.
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Posted by: Don't Panic on Nov 19, 2009 9:15 PM
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» Paul Findley is an anti-Semite and former Republican congressman from Illinios.
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Posted by: eosrk on Nov 14, 2009 4:46 AM
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Posted by: LeonBNJ on Nov 14, 2009 5:21 AM
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Posted by: peterjkraus on Nov 14, 2009 5:56 AM
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Those of us who had a good inkling about the true cause of the war -- and trumpeted it -- can rejoice: we damn well knew it all along. All the made-in-China Support Our Troops-stickers and all the Democracy and Freedom bullshit that had the masses enthralled was window dressing for the rapacious Big Oil companies that would gladly have sacrificed ten times the American soldiers who died for them: Chevron board member Condi Rice and Chevron adviser Hamid Karzai are the tip of the iceberg that is waiting for the day when compliant "politicians" in both Iraq and Afghanistan are "elected" to positions of absolute power. Then, we'll see what contracts signed today are worth.
Another war for Democracy and Freedom, anyone?
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Posted by: weathered on Nov 14, 2009 6:56 AM
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As long as WE let the Liars continue to Lie, we'll suffer - take back the media its an accomplice to the crimes. The real criminals are in Great Neck, Aspen, TelAviv.....
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» RE: A disreputable bird cage liner like the NEW YORK TIMES would never, ever lie...
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» I have no interest in responding to your litany of straw man arguments.
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» RE: Telling half-truths again, "reverend"? Here's a 1985 article from the NY Times on Findley.
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Posted by: kettleblack on Nov 14, 2009 7:32 AM
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Why did Bush-Cheney hold secret meetings to determine America's energy policy? So they could take by force, what they could not get by peaceful means. The oil reserves in the Middle East.
There was no public discussion, as most Americans would not have voted to go to war for oil. So, they made up lies to get us into war.
They created an imaginary threat (nuclear bomb), and played on America's fears.
But, now we are in two wars without end, and chasing a ghost all around the oil fields in the Middle East.
So, the Cheney Energy Plan is to militarily control the oil in the region, and zero investment in any other forms of energy. Putting all your eggs in one basket is a gambler's desperation. Usually, is fails.
It was never up for public discussion, but could we have done better by spending a trillion dollars and eight years on alternative energy sources, instead of killing a million Iraqis?
We might not need that oil today, had we invested wisely.
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Posted by: rmuldavin on Nov 14, 2009 8:08 AM
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Today (14Nov09) your first two articles would not download on either crrpl nor WBSM, but the third article (Did Big Oil WIn the War in Iraq?).
Let me check the WBSM again.... Got the first two articles now the third.
{comments-rm: I have to confess that my thoughts are "petty" in regard to other persons inspite of trying to discipline myself, and "mal" in regards to "states" or "governments", thus the thrid story about the role of religious bias in shaping increased push for slective population growth is timely, but "all needs to be examined in detail".
So let the games begin. AterNet, your webpage is great, I was watching Al Gore while this was happening on the our other satellite DishTv, and thank your commentators and staff for getting the revolution rotating, a helix of truth.
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Posted by: frankly1 on Nov 14, 2009 8:10 AM
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Posted by: lclark on Nov 14, 2009 8:30 AM
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Use public resources to advance private profit.
As in use national wealth to fund wars to grab resources for multinationals. There's that pipeline in Afghanistan the Taliban wanted to high a fee for.....
In the U.S. you see toll roads build with tax revenue sold off to private multinationals for a nickel on the dollar.
2/3 of the public water systems created with public revenue are now in the hands of multinationals.
You pay off the government officials, reward those who enable the transfer of public assets to multinationals.
It's simply corruption of the Republic.
The Donkeys and Elephants are feeding high on the hill and when they relieve themselves it will trikle down to the citizens.
"All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others."
At least we get to place comments in the free-speech zone and talk to ourselves......:-)
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Posted by: bettyn on Nov 14, 2009 9:23 AM
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Posted by: tazdelaney on Nov 14, 2009 11:06 AM
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while the US/UN embargo against iraq was said to be to thwart hussein making more money from iraq's oil; according to the american petroleum institute, by 1995, having gotten through the 'loopholes' iraq was again the 3rd largest supplier of oil to the big oil companies and american consumers.
there's been confusion as to how the iraq war had to do with oil, since by the end of 2003, the iraqi oil pipelines were down and even iraqis were having to buy halliburton's imported gasoline. but what has been less seen is how saudi arabia filled that gap with its oil and the saudis and big 4 oil companies made the largest profits in business history, into the trillions of dollars from 2003-2009, with exxon-mobil alone making $42 billion in pure profit in just 2007. doesn't it just make you feel like a sucker thinking back on spending $5 a gallon to fill up that 20mpg SUV? why, it was your patriotic duty to help support the ultra-rich war-profiteers...
big surprise that the iraqis, who have so much reason to be thankful for their 'liberation' are now to be cut out of any profit-sharing on the sea of oil they happen to have been born on, a sea of oil apparently owned by corrupt governments, corrupt corporations – 'our oil.'
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Posted by: tazdelaney on Nov 14, 2009 11:14 AM
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while certain of the corrupt iraqi vichy puppet government officials and business-persons will make out like the bandits that they are; by and large, the iraqi people will see none of the money, jobs or benefits from their oil. hopefully, their patriots (aka 'insurgents' or 'terrorists') will continuously destroy the oil drilling plants and pipelines so as to make the profiteers on iraqi misery suffer a wee bit.
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Posted by: SagaciousD on Nov 14, 2009 11:20 AM
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So far, the developed nations have mostly avoided direct conflict with each other (well, at least since WWII) in favor of racing each other to smash-and-grab from the weaker countries that could not defend their sizable oil reserves. It was the more profitable strategy, given the pain that advanced militaries could inflict on each other. But what happens when all of the big reserves have been grabbed by the Powers? Will they be content with whatever distribution is settled upon? Not for long, I reckon. Bidding wars could easily escalate into shooting wars for the last few billions of barrels of extractable oil. We live in interesting times.
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Posted by: AlwaysAskWhy on Nov 14, 2009 12:51 PM
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Acknowledged that this is a paraphrase of Clinton's attitude, but could anything be MORE CONFIRMING that Bush/Cheney's ATTACK ON and OCCUPATION OF IRAQ WERE PURELY FOR PROFIT?
MASS-MURDER-FOR-PROFIT. WHEN WILL WE SEE PROSECUTIONS???
MR. HOLDER?
HELLO?!
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Posted by: AlwaysAskWhy on Nov 14, 2009 12:56 PM
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UNOCAL testified in front of congress in 1998 about the 'feasibility' of running a pipeline through Afghanistan - in which they said that it would be impossible... UNLESS there is but ONE governing power in Afghanistan... VOILA! HAMIT KARZAI! (jeez, how did he get there?)
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Posted by: AlwaysAskWhy on Nov 14, 2009 1:08 PM
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http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/sardi7.html
Is an Oil Pipeline Behind the War in Afghanistan?
by Bill Sardi
Testimony before the US Congress is circulating on the internet. It pertains to a proposed oil pipeline through Central Asia that is applicable to the current war in Afghanistan.
On February 12, 1998, John J. Maresca, vice president, international relations for UNOCAL oil company, testified before the US House of Representatives, Committee on International Relations. Maresca provided information to Congress on Central Asia oil and gas reserves and how they might shape US foreign policy. UNOCAL's problem? As Maresca said: "How to get the region's vast energy resources to the markets." The oil reserves are in areas north of Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan and Russia. Routes for a pipeline were proposed that would transport oil on a 42-inch pipe southward thru Afghanistan for 1040 miles to the Pakistan coast. Such a pipeline would cost about $2.5 billion and carry about 1 million barrels of oil per day.
Maresca told Congress then that: "It's not going to be built until there is a single Afghan government. That's the simple answer."
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/1984459.stm
Monday, 13 May, 2002, 10:20 GMT 11:20 UK
Afghanistan plans gas pipeline
Oil pipelines
The pipeline is Afghanistan's biggest foreign investment project
Afghanistan hopes to strike a deal later this month to build a $2bn pipeline through the country to take gas from energy-rich Turkmenistan to Pakistan and India.
Afghan interim ruler Hamid Karzai is to hold talks with his Pakistani and Turkmenistan counterparts later this month on Afghanistan's biggest foreign investment project, said Mohammad Alim Razim, minister for Mines and Industries told Reuters.
"The work on the project will start after an agreement is expected to be struck at the coming summit," Mr Razim said.
The construction of the 850-kilometre pipeline had been previously discussed between Afghanistan's former Taliban regime, US oil company Unocal and Bridas of Argentina.
The project was abandoned after the US launched missile attacks on Afghanistan in 1999.
US company preferred
Mr Razim said US energy company Unocal was the "lead company" among those that would build the pipeline, which would bring 30bn cubic meters of Turkmen gas to market annually.
Unocal - which led a consortium of companies from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Turkmenistan, Japan and South Korea - has maintained the project is both economically and technically feasible once Afghan stability was secured.
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Posted by: richard0a37 on Nov 14, 2009 2:41 PM
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http://www.bushstole04.com/ Obama_Presidency.htm/obama_oil_gas.htm
http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175121
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 14, 2009 3:09 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LsSppYxSHk&feature= player_embedded
(if you link, remove the space between "=" and "player" that I added to get below the Alternet 60 limit on characters)
Just where did all of the Obamanoids go? They were thick as fleas not long ago. One would have thought it would take more than a couple of flushes to make all of that 'hope' and 'change' disappear from between their ears. Does Goldman Sachs have their tongue?...along with their job, house, retirement and future...
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 14, 2009 3:38 PM
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/13/fal luja-cancer-children-birth-defects
This was noted at what the State Department once called the foremost disinformation site on the internet...Rense.com.
Let's take a moment to remember that saintly woman, Clinton's Secretary of State, Mad Dog Albright, who opined that sanctions against Iraq were 'worth the price'...of tens of thousands of dead children...Apparently, liberal Democrats and Neo-Scum Republicans had this in common--they all thought that it was worth the price! Exxon has its contracts, Iraq has its million dead and million more displaced and untold wounded and the US taxpayer gets the bill for Halliburton's cash cow of a war. Everybody wins!! Right folks?!
DOWN WITH THE DEMOPUBLICAN BANKER REGIME! TROOPS HOME NOW!...well, isn't that what Goldman Sachs' Man Friday promised?
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Posted by: richholland on Nov 15, 2009 2:08 AM
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They didnt look fancy but you could burn wood and coal instead gasoline.
I wonder do we really need allways petrol.
What if carbuilders really would change to other energy??
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Posted by: bigbrother on Nov 15, 2009 5:41 AM
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BTW, better we win the war on oil than China or Iran!
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Posted by: champss on Nov 15, 2009 6:19 AM
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The Saudi lack of real cooperation after 9-11 also served as Realpolitik reasoning for the invasion. Plus the fact that the Saudis felt we could never wean ourselves off their oil reinforced the US position for invasion.
Prior to the war Iraq's oil reserves were untested. Saddam would not allow any surveys. After the war and testing the Iraq's oil reserves are listed as 3rd largest.
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Posted by: AJR Journal on Nov 15, 2009 6:35 AM
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What a miracle of human endeavor!!
Gas in Milwaukee today is $2.59 per gallon!
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Posted by: Hans B on Nov 15, 2009 3:50 PM
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Posted by: batteredup on Nov 15, 2009 8:21 PM
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Uh, idiot George didn't seize power until Jan. 20, 2001. So ten days into his regime would have been Jan. 30, 2001.
So was this the actual date? It would be refreshing to see more journalists adhere to dissemination of FACTS and worry less about abstract language games being passed off as pretty prose.
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Posted by: jacklang0001 on Nov 17, 2009 5:58 AM
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Posted by: oilprice on Nov 17, 2009 4:21 PM
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Europe, the US and China are cutting everyone else out of the oil supply. Read this article from Oil-Price.net
The days of oil are numbered and we know it.
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