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10 Suicides This Year at Ft. Hood -- War Stress Is Taking Soldiers to the Brink

The shooting tragedy at Fort Hood on Friday points to a much larger problem of combat stress and overdeployment in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Editor's Note: This Tuesday, President Obama attended a memorial service for the shootings at Ft. Hood last Friday. He called the attack "incomprehensible," when in fact it's quite easy to comprehend. Obama would do well to consider that the war policies he's continuing, extending the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, are the underlying cause of acts of madness and desperation by soldiers at Ft. Hood. As Dahr Jamail illustrates in the article below, this one military post has had 10 suicides so far this year.

PHOENIX, Arizona - While investigators probe for a motive behind the mass shooting at the Fort Hood military base in Texas last Thursday, in which an army psychiatrist killed 13 people, military personnel at the base are in shock as the incident "brings the war home".

"We're all in shock," said Specialist Michael Kern, an active-duty veteran of the Iraq war, told Inter Press Service (IPS) by telephone. Kern, who is based at Fort Hood, served in Iraq from March 2007 to March 2008. "Every single person that I've talked to is in shock," Kern added.

"I'm surprised this hits so close to home, but at the same time, I knew something like this was going to happen given what else is happening - the war is coming home, and something needs to be done. Innocent civilians are being wounded and killed here at home by soldiers, and this is completely unacceptable," he said.

The gunman, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, entered a Soldier Readiness Center (SRC), where troops get medical evaluations and complete paperwork just prior to being deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, and opened fire with two non-military issued handguns.

Hasan killed 13 people, 12 of them soldiers, and wounded over 30 others, before being shot four times by a civilian police officer. Hasan is now in stable condition in a local hospital, where he is in the custody of military authorities.

Colonel John Rossi, a spokesman at Fort Hood, told reporters that Hasan was "stable and in one of our civilian hospitals". Rossi added, "He's on a ventilator."

Hasan, 39, joined the army just out of high school. He had counseled wounded war veterans at Walter Reed Hospital, and was transferred to Fort Hood in April. He had recently received orders to deploy to Afghanistan.

His cousin, Nader Hasan, has said in media interviews that Hasan was very reluctant to be deployed overseas and had agitated not to be sent. "We've known over the last five years that was probably his worst nightmare," he said.

Responding to the allegations in the media that the attack was based on his Muslim faith, Kern told IPS that he did not know of anyone on the base who felt this was the case.

"We all wear the same uniform here, it's all green. I've seen the news, but most folks here assume it's just a soldier that snapped," Kern explained. "I have not talked to anyone who thinks what he did has anything to do with him being a Muslim. There are thousands of Muslims serving with dignity in the US military, in all four branches."

Fort Hood, located in central Texas, is one of the largest US military bases in the world. It contains up to 50,000 soldiers, and is one of the most heavily deployed to both occupations.

Tragically, Fort Hood has also born much of the brunt from its heavy involvement in the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. Fort Hood soldiers have accounted for more suicides than any other army post since the US invasion of Iraq in 2003, [where at least 76 have been recorded, including 10 this year].*


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Sorry, not surprised by any of this
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Posted by: messedup on Nov 10, 2009 12:18 AM   
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Just another media distraction, this was a bigger one and these kinds of things happen pretty often in America. Go to any news website, always someone shooting away.

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I'm not surprised either....
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Nov 10, 2009 3:53 AM   
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As the psychological toll of these stupid and senseless wars continue to manifest themselves, these kind of incidents will only continue. There will be a new and troubling trend haunting the American legal system in the years to come and that will be the violent crimes committed by veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts. These poor people have been desensitized by what they have been ordered to do and what they have been forced to witness.

To quote Uncle Bobby Zimmerman:

"A hard rain's a'gonna fall."

Tea Partiers

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More flak on the way.....
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Posted by: peridot on Nov 10, 2009 4:09 AM   
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Robert Gates stated in response to this mass murder that the pentagon needs to redouble its efforts to relieve stress. (Pardon me but just WHAT IS your job there Mr. Gates?) Well, there you go. Again. This is nothing so big that the 500+ Colonels and Generals 'stationed' at the pentagon can't bury beneath a reluctantly authored investigation that will sometime in the distant future be buried.
Really, what we have here is just one more outbreak of the Imperial Disease. The redoubling that is needed here does not lie within the purview of the military or the government establishment. It rest solely with the American people and demands that the condition of eternal warfare be eliminated. No amount of political or military propaganda and fear mongering can cover over the fact that this war, and many other senseless adventures have had nothing to do with the security of the nation. When this realization becomes manifest in the sublime interior of human consciousness, there will be horror.

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10 a month? I thought it was 10 this year?
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Posted by: grokagain on Nov 10, 2009 4:37 AM   
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Mr. Jamail,

When operating from a very liberal perspective it is imperative that the information you disseminate be correct. I depend on the accuracy of stories and I'm afraid Alternet is getting more wreckless. It does no good if we are fed false information as they are from the pundits on the right.

that being said; if it is 10 a month, where did you get that figure?

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The Sword of Islam Isn't for Suicide
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Posted by: tlwinslow on Nov 10, 2009 4:53 AM   
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Sorry, Maj. Nidal Hasan's business card contained the legend SoA (SWT), translation, Sword of Allah, Sharia Will Triumph, and that kind of sword is never used for suicide, only for killing unbelievers to spread the territory ruled by Sharia as commanded by the Quran.

Don't let your ignorance of the rise and spread of Islam and the Quran in the 7th cent. keep you clueless about why radical Muslims do what they do. Catch up on the key facts fast accurate and free at the rockin' Historyscoper's site and save your psychobabble for other killers. http://go.to/islamhistory

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Get the info right
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Posted by: wisteria on Nov 10, 2009 5:43 AM   
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Jeez, it's embarrassing when your premise is totally wrong! There have been 76 suicides since 2003! While still high, this is nowhere near "10 per month"
If you must engage is ridiculous hyperbole, go work for Faux News, you'll be welcome there.

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The propaganda machine is working doggedly....
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Posted by: whole2th on Nov 10, 2009 5:44 AM   
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....to keep the big lie of Islamic radicalism as the cause of 9/11. A continuing stream of such stories as the "jihadist American army psychiatrist" have become necessary to counter the irrefutable evidence that ISRAEL and CIA were the primary orchestrators of 9/11.

MSM (and AlterNet), to their chagrin, are unable to fly the lies of 9/11 lest the real truth be posted.

A most amazing collection of evidence of MOSSAD/CIA orchestrating 9/11 is here: lSRAEL/CIA/MOSSAD did 9/11

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OBAMA FINDS SOLDIERS COMING UNDER FIRE "HORRIFYING" ONLY IF THEY ARE NOT MAKING HIM MONEY
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Posted by: smf1403 on Nov 10, 2009 5:48 AM   
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"It is horrifying that they [US soldiers] should come under fire at an army base on American soil." -- Obama

It IS perfectly okay, however, that they come under fire elsewhere to put more cash in HIS pocket and that of his campaign contributors, the war profiteers.

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» RE: America's perverted view Posted by: linecrosser

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As Dahr Jamail illustrates ... Uh-uh
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Posted by: redbridge on Nov 10, 2009 5:52 AM   
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I don't mean to detract from the issue of taking care of our military personnel, an issue ignored for far too long. But when an editor's note not only admonishes the President, but contends that the writer will illustrate why the suicide rate at FT Hood is off the charts...WTF?

Again, no problem here with addressing the military's suicide rate - or admonishing the POTUS for that matter.

But other pieces I've read cite 10 suicides at Hood this year as of Oct 10. I've read quotes from mlilitary personnel who've raised concern that Ft Hood's rate is approaching that of the general population. Your figure works out to a rate of 240/100,000 annually, quite a jump from the American Indian male group, current leaders at 20-21/100,000.

If you illustrated how these numbers can be correct, it escaped me. In two readings.

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Finding Osama
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Posted by: melpol on Nov 10, 2009 6:14 AM   
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The only thing conservatives like about big government is the defense budget. They want to cut every other service. It would be just if all war hawks were dragged out of bed and shipped To the Arabian desert with a rifle and binoculars in their hands. Their job would be to find Osama.

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Wolfowitz gets a woody
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Posted by: weathered on Nov 10, 2009 6:40 AM   
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Our country is sick w/Lies and the Liars who Love the hate they make.

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So the results of Hasan's alleged attack represented about five weeks of suicides at Fort Hood?
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 10, 2009 7:34 AM   
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These soldiers are still being kept beyond the expiration of their contracts as I understand it. This contemptible treatment of US servicemen has gone on for years...long after the fat and rabid flag wavers of the days after 9-11 have retired to their Lazy Boys, football and 'reality' programming.

We still have no examination of what drugs were being used by Dr. Hasan...could there have been SSRIs, the drug of choice for mass murderers from Columbine to Texas bath tubs?

Tim McVeigh, after he was arrested on an Oklahoma highway, drooling and crawling about mumbling about a 'chip in his ass' was attended by one of the premier mind control psychiatrists in the CIA stable, Dr. Jolyon West. Interesting, he was the same specialist called on to deal with the blank-faced Sirhan Sirhan. Hasan undoubtedly underwent psychoanalysis before becoming a psychiatrist...was he programmed at the PSYOPS center at VT? And the beltway killers... 'I know you're waiting to hear this, the duck is in the noose.'--yes, that is the message any law man worth his metal would think to broacast to bring the Beltway killers into custody...and it worked! Shortly afterwards they were found by the side of the road.

We've yet to get to the bottom of the Fort Hood massacre. The admissions are beginning to come out that Hassan had no al Cia-dah connections...trying, I think to begin some kind of damage control for the over-zealous attempt to tie this guy to 9-11 and raising a myriad of questions as to why they let such a fellow wonder free on a military base while Homeland Security is busy portraying people with Ron Paul bumper stickers as suspected "terrorists".

Americans don't care about the troops. If they did, they would not be supporting the Demopublican monsters who have sent them to wars based on nothing but lies and the desire of Wall Street and the City for conquest of resources.

TROOPS HOME NOW! DOWN WITH THE DEMOPUBLICAN REGIME!!

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» Answer the question, scumbag. Posted by: GuitarBill
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» More lies and BS, Tony? Posted by: GuitarBill
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And the liberals' hero, Obama, is escalating our illegal war in Afghanistan!?
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Nov 10, 2009 8:08 AM   
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When Bush/Cheney were feeding our insatiable military/industrial complex, we all knew it was criminal!!! Now that Mr. Change is doing much the same, it's okay all of a sudden???

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It seems now,
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Posted by: sirios on Nov 10, 2009 8:16 AM   
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that the FBI has been aware for months that Mr Hasan had been trading emails with a well known Islamic radical. What a golden opportunity for the war mongers. Just let it happen and watch the support for the war/s , stripping of constitutional freedoms and giving a green light to Israel to vaporize iran and others. This of course is a short list describing our increasing police state here in america. It is enough to make anybody want to commit suicide.

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Initial Reports Indicated More Than One Gunman and More Than One Incident
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov 10, 2009 8:49 AM   
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e.g.

"WASHINGTON (AP) — The Army says seven people were killed and 20 wounded in a pair of shootings at the Fort Hood Army base in Texas.

An Army spokesman at the Pentagon says the shootings began about 1:30 p.m. Thursday at a personnel and medical processing center at Fort Hood.

The spokesman, Lieutenant Colonel Nathan Banks, says two shooters were apparently involved. There is no word yet on who they were, nor on identities of the dead.

Banks says the second incident took place at a theater on the sprawling base.

He says it is too soon to tell whether there is any link to battle stress or repeated deployments. The Army is suffering a record high suicide rate and other signs of stress from fighting two wars."

The story then changed to "12 dead, 31 injured after three soldiers open fire during graduation ceremony at U.S. army base"

The story has since morphed to what is now "Official"

e.g.

"On the day of the Ft. Hood shootings, Munley cut short a trip to a garage to have her car fixed when news of a gunman at the Texas Army base came over the radio. The veteran sergeant sped to the scene within five minutes of the first report, pulled out her handgun, and fired at alleged shooter Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was finally incapacitated under the volley of bullets from Munley and her partner. She was shot twice in the leg and once in the wrist."


Does the Official story actually make sense? Could one guy take out 43 Soldiers with his own hand guns - and then in an army base of thousands of soldiers nothing happens until an off duty female cop drives to the place?


I'm not saying that it isn't all true, and I have not been following it closely and haven't seen the TV news since before it was reported. But if this scenario - this sequence of events was written up for a movie script - what would the Director say?

Tony

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travelergtoo
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Posted by: travelertoo on Nov 10, 2009 10:09 AM   
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This is so tragic. I know this was going on when Bush was Preident too.

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I'd be more surprised if they weren't going crazy...
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Posted by: james108 on Nov 10, 2009 10:39 AM   
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This article's exaggerated premise aside, it takes a special type of conscienceless psychopath to murder men, women and children across the world, so that the multinational corporations that run the democrat and republican "parties" can get richer at the people's expense.

I don't wish anyone harm, but it's not surprising that some of them grow a conscience, and then don't know what to do with it and twist it into worse violence. We know what we're doing is wrong, as a people and country, murdering across the world, spreading religious intolerance as a cover for wars that are really just about money and power for a few elite warmongers and their greasy pet politician PR agents, who spin wars for mass consumption.

Right now, we're spinning a buildup with Iran, pretending to try to work with them while "offering" deals that sidestep their natural sovereign right to nuclear technology, playing complete hypocrites ignoring Israel's complete refusal to abide by rules we're threatening Iran for supposedly not following when they are. We want to put a puppet regime back there so that their oil is controlled by corporations that cost the common American much more than they give back.

The headgames you would have to pull on yourself to justify this as righteous would create a schism in anybody's head, even more than the headgames people play to pretend it's not happening.

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He is a religious motivated murderer... not a combat stressed vet
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Posted by: pg on Nov 10, 2009 10:56 AM   
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"The shooting tragedy at Fort Hood on Friday points to a much larger problem of combat stress and overdeployment in Iraq and Afghanistan."

He had never been deployed, he suffered no combat stress or over-deployment.

The evidence is pointing to a lone wolf religious motivated terrorist.

To link him to vets actually suffering PTSD from stress and over-deployment is a disgrace.

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9/11--11/9
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Posted by: horton on Nov 10, 2009 12:29 PM   
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???

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GEORGE STEPHANOPOLOUS ON SUNDAY ASKED GENERAL ABOUT REPORT OF 2 OR 3 GUNMEN FLEEING POLICE
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Posted by: smf1403 on Nov 10, 2009 12:48 PM   
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When did we become a people who determine guilt before innocence?

When we succumbed to the brainwashing propaganda of the government-owned mainstream media and most media now.

A critical thinker would observe the original reports stating the gunman was dead and 2 fled the scene.

Even George Stephanopolous asked a general on Sunday about the report that there were 2 or 3 gunmen that fled from police.

Now all of a sudden, they have magically made the truth all go away.

After the military made up lies about Pat Tillman and covered up that he was killed by his own comrades, should we not at least ask questions?

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Beijing And Moscow In 30 Days
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Posted by: melpol on Nov 10, 2009 1:04 PM   
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Expect the president to send at least 250 thousand more troops to Afghanistan. They will be in place before 2012. He is a strong friend of the war-hawks and profiteers but keeps a low profile. Afghanistan will be used as a corridor to invade Russia and China. The American army will take Moscow and Beijing in 30 days, and the dream of one government, with its central headquarters in the White House, will become a reality.

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A La Akbar
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Posted by: aristopus on Nov 10, 2009 3:59 PM   
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If being Muslim has nothing to do with the shootings, why did Hasan yell A La Akbar, when he commenced firing?

It was A La Akbar all right, treacherous.

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Is This Accurate?
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Posted by: Lilly on Nov 10, 2009 8:56 PM   
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An article on the front page of today's New York Times (long detailed article) says that there have been 71 suicides at Fort Hood since 2001 and that 10 of these have been in the past year. That's different from "10 a month". I don't know who's right but the two statements are at variance.

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10 a Month?
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Posted by: Lilly on Nov 10, 2009 9:04 PM   
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I am concerned about this article's statement that Fort Hood has 10 suicides a month; today's NYT (major article) said it has had 10 over the past year. Ten a month (this is November) would be about 100 so far in 2009. AlterNet is not where I expect to see wild & crazy stuff. I have just come from townhall.com; here is a sample of what's raging there tonight: User "ApolloSpeaks" invites all to click onto his name for an amazing fact. I clicked. The amazing fact was that Hasan shot or wounded a total of 44 victims and Obama is our 44th President, this being proof positive that Obama is connected with [responsible for?] the Fort Hood massacre. When I read that stuff on townhall or hear it on Glenn Beck I am not surprised, but AlterNet needs to keep a calm head (take Obama as model) and get its facts straight.

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The FBI was notified in advance of the shootings of Hasan's contact with a radical cleric from Yemen
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Posted by: yellow on Nov 11, 2009 2:50 PM   
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There were witnesses to Hasan's links to a radical Muslim cleric who encouraged attacks on US soldiers in Iraq. He attended the same Mosque with this man, Anwar al-Awlaki in 2001 along with two of the 9/11 hijackers in Falls Church, VA. Al-Awlaki and Hasan recently communicated via email and the FBI had been informed of it long before the shootings. They were hoping that the emails would lead to bigger discoveries.

Furthermore, there were several witnesses to Hasan shooting people trying to flee the scene as he shot at them. One was Sgt. Mark Todd who fired at Hasan injuring him. The other was Chuck Medley, director of emergency services at Fort Hood who saw the entire thing as well as civilian police officer Kimberly Munley shoot Hasan. The FBI is conducting a further investigation.

Those like Prophit0, a obvious al-qaeda sympathizer who has expressed bitter hatred for Jews, Israel, the USA, and anyone who rejects her insane, paranoid, hateful and ignorant views, are beyond all reason and should not be part of the discourse. She is a horrible bigot and adds nothing to the discussion. Hopefully, she'll be banned soon.

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Suicidal Extremists
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Posted by: mizobe on Nov 12, 2009 8:26 PM   
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We hear all the time about the Islamic 'Suicide Bombers'.
Has anyone considered that anyone on either side who chooses to fight an unnecessary and illegal war probably has suicidal tendencies to begin with?
They hide behind their bravado and patriotism to cover up the fact that they have serious mental disorders. In fact they are exactly like the stupid, violent gang-bangers bent on having their turf wars because someone is wearing a different color. When they do it on the streets of East LA we call them criminals. When they do it in Iraq we call them heroes. I don't see one iota of difference. Real heroes don't abet and enable evil.
People who kill over ideological differences are psychotic murderers to begin with.
I, for one am not a all surprised when crazy people do crazy things. That's what they do!

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if only
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Posted by: login@bugmenot.com on Nov 14, 2009 12:48 AM   
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theyd all top themselves, the world would be a much more peaceful place.

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Sorry, not surprised by any of this
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Posted by: messedup on Nov 10, 2009 12:18 AM   
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Just another media distraction, this was a bigger one and these kinds of things happen pretty often in America. Go to any news website, always someone shooting away.

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I'm not surprised either....
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Nov 10, 2009 3:53 AM   
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As the psychological toll of these stupid and senseless wars continue to manifest themselves, these kind of incidents will only continue. There will be a new and troubling trend haunting the American legal system in the years to come and that will be the violent crimes committed by veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts. These poor people have been desensitized by what they have been ordered to do and what they have been forced to witness.

To quote Uncle Bobby Zimmerman:

"A hard rain's a'gonna fall."

Tea Partiers

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More flak on the way.....
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Posted by: peridot on Nov 10, 2009 4:09 AM   
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Robert Gates stated in response to this mass murder that the pentagon needs to redouble its efforts to relieve stress. (Pardon me but just WHAT IS your job there Mr. Gates?) Well, there you go. Again. This is nothing so big that the 500+ Colonels and Generals 'stationed' at the pentagon can't bury beneath a reluctantly authored investigation that will sometime in the distant future be buried.
Really, what we have here is just one more outbreak of the Imperial Disease. The redoubling that is needed here does not lie within the purview of the military or the government establishment. It rest solely with the American people and demands that the condition of eternal warfare be eliminated. No amount of political or military propaganda and fear mongering can cover over the fact that this war, and many other senseless adventures have had nothing to do with the security of the nation. When this realization becomes manifest in the sublime interior of human consciousness, there will be horror.

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10 a month? I thought it was 10 this year?
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Posted by: grokagain on Nov 10, 2009 4:37 AM   
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Mr. Jamail,

When operating from a very liberal perspective it is imperative that the information you disseminate be correct. I depend on the accuracy of stories and I'm afraid Alternet is getting more wreckless. It does no good if we are fed false information as they are from the pundits on the right.

that being said; if it is 10 a month, where did you get that figure?

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The Sword of Islam Isn't for Suicide
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Posted by: tlwinslow on Nov 10, 2009 4:53 AM   
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Sorry, Maj. Nidal Hasan's business card contained the legend SoA (SWT), translation, Sword of Allah, Sharia Will Triumph, and that kind of sword is never used for suicide, only for killing unbelievers to spread the territory ruled by Sharia as commanded by the Quran.

Don't let your ignorance of the rise and spread of Islam and the Quran in the 7th cent. keep you clueless about why radical Muslims do what they do. Catch up on the key facts fast accurate and free at the rockin' Historyscoper's site and save your psychobabble for other killers. http://go.to/islamhistory

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Get the info right
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Posted by: wisteria on Nov 10, 2009 5:43 AM   
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Jeez, it's embarrassing when your premise is totally wrong! There have been 76 suicides since 2003! While still high, this is nowhere near "10 per month"
If you must engage is ridiculous hyperbole, go work for Faux News, you'll be welcome there.

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The propaganda machine is working doggedly....
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Posted by: whole2th on Nov 10, 2009 5:44 AM   
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....to keep the big lie of Islamic radicalism as the cause of 9/11. A continuing stream of such stories as the "jihadist American army psychiatrist" have become necessary to counter the irrefutable evidence that ISRAEL and CIA were the primary orchestrators of 9/11.

MSM (and AlterNet), to their chagrin, are unable to fly the lies of 9/11 lest the real truth be posted.

A most amazing collection of evidence of MOSSAD/CIA orchestrating 9/11 is here: lSRAEL/CIA/MOSSAD did 9/11

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OBAMA FINDS SOLDIERS COMING UNDER FIRE "HORRIFYING" ONLY IF THEY ARE NOT MAKING HIM MONEY
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Posted by: smf1403 on Nov 10, 2009 5:48 AM   
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"It is horrifying that they [US soldiers] should come under fire at an army base on American soil." -- Obama

It IS perfectly okay, however, that they come under fire elsewhere to put more cash in HIS pocket and that of his campaign contributors, the war profiteers.

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As Dahr Jamail illustrates ... Uh-uh
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Posted by: redbridge on Nov 10, 2009 5:52 AM   
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I don't mean to detract from the issue of taking care of our military personnel, an issue ignored for far too long. But when an editor's note not only admonishes the President, but contends that the writer will illustrate why the suicide rate at FT Hood is off the charts...WTF?

Again, no problem here with addressing the military's suicide rate - or admonishing the POTUS for that matter.

But other pieces I've read cite 10 suicides at Hood this year as of Oct 10. I've read quotes from mlilitary personnel who've raised concern that Ft Hood's rate is approaching that of the general population. Your figure works out to a rate of 240/100,000 annually, quite a jump from the American Indian male group, current leaders at 20-21/100,000.

If you illustrated how these numbers can be correct, it escaped me. In two readings.

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Finding Osama
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Posted by: melpol on Nov 10, 2009 6:14 AM   
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The only thing conservatives like about big government is the defense budget. They want to cut every other service. It would be just if all war hawks were dragged out of bed and shipped To the Arabian desert with a rifle and binoculars in their hands. Their job would be to find Osama.

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Wolfowitz gets a woody
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Posted by: weathered on Nov 10, 2009 6:40 AM   
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Our country is sick w/Lies and the Liars who Love the hate they make.

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So the results of Hasan's alleged attack represented about five weeks of suicides at Fort Hood?
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 10, 2009 7:34 AM   
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These soldiers are still being kept beyond the expiration of their contracts as I understand it. This contemptible treatment of US servicemen has gone on for years...long after the fat and rabid flag wavers of the days after 9-11 have retired to their Lazy Boys, football and 'reality' programming.

We still have no examination of what drugs were being used by Dr. Hasan...could there have been SSRIs, the drug of choice for mass murderers from Columbine to Texas bath tubs?

Tim McVeigh, after he was arrested on an Oklahoma highway, drooling and crawling about mumbling about a 'chip in his ass' was attended by one of the premier mind control psychiatrists in the CIA stable, Dr. Jolyon West. Interesting, he was the same specialist called on to deal with the blank-faced Sirhan Sirhan. Hasan undoubtedly underwent psychoanalysis before becoming a psychiatrist...was he programmed at the PSYOPS center at VT? And the beltway killers... 'I know you're waiting to hear this, the duck is in the noose.'--yes, that is the message any law man worth his metal would think to broacast to bring the Beltway killers into custody...and it worked! Shortly afterwards they were found by the side of the road.

We've yet to get to the bottom of the Fort Hood massacre. The admissions are beginning to come out that Hassan had no al Cia-dah connections...trying, I think to begin some kind of damage control for the over-zealous attempt to tie this guy to 9-11 and raising a myriad of questions as to why they let such a fellow wonder free on a military base while Homeland Security is busy portraying people with Ron Paul bumper stickers as suspected "terrorists".

Americans don't care about the troops. If they did, they would not be supporting the Demopublican monsters who have sent them to wars based on nothing but lies and the desire of Wall Street and the City for conquest of resources.

TROOPS HOME NOW! DOWN WITH THE DEMOPUBLICAN REGIME!!

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And the liberals' hero, Obama, is escalating our illegal war in Afghanistan!?
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Nov 10, 2009 8:08 AM   
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When Bush/Cheney were feeding our insatiable military/industrial complex, we all knew it was criminal!!! Now that Mr. Change is doing much the same, it's okay all of a sudden???

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It seems now,
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Posted by: sirios on Nov 10, 2009 8:16 AM   
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that the FBI has been aware for months that Mr Hasan had been trading emails with a well known Islamic radical. What a golden opportunity for the war mongers. Just let it happen and watch the support for the war/s , stripping of constitutional freedoms and giving a green light to Israel to vaporize iran and others. This of course is a short list describing our increasing police state here in america. It is enough to make anybody want to commit suicide.

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Initial Reports Indicated More Than One Gunman and More Than One Incident
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov 10, 2009 8:49 AM   
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e.g.

"WASHINGTON (AP) — The Army says seven people were killed and 20 wounded in a pair of shootings at the Fort Hood Army base in Texas.

An Army spokesman at the Pentagon says the shootings began about 1:30 p.m. Thursday at a personnel and medical processing center at Fort Hood.

The spokesman, Lieutenant Colonel Nathan Banks, says two shooters were apparently involved. There is no word yet on who they were, nor on identities of the dead.

Banks says the second incident took place at a theater on the sprawling base.

He says it is too soon to tell whether there is any link to battle stress or repeated deployments. The Army is suffering a record high suicide rate and other signs of stress from fighting two wars."

The story then changed to "12 dead, 31 injured after three soldiers open fire during graduation ceremony at U.S. army base"

The story has since morphed to what is now "Official"

e.g.

"On the day of the Ft. Hood shootings, Munley cut short a trip to a garage to have her car fixed when news of a gunman at the Texas Army base came over the radio. The veteran sergeant sped to the scene within five minutes of the first report, pulled out her handgun, and fired at alleged shooter Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was finally incapacitated under the volley of bullets from Munley and her partner. She was shot twice in the leg and once in the wrist."


Does the Official story actually make sense? Could one guy take out 43 Soldiers with his own hand guns - and then in an army base of thousands of soldiers nothing happens until an off duty female cop drives to the place?


I'm not saying that it isn't all true, and I have not been following it closely and haven't seen the TV news since before it was reported. But if this scenario - this sequence of events was written up for a movie script - what would the Director say?

Tony

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Posted by: travelertoo on Nov 10, 2009 10:09 AM   
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This is so tragic. I know this was going on when Bush was Preident too.

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I'd be more surprised if they weren't going crazy...
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Posted by: james108 on Nov 10, 2009 10:39 AM   
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This article's exaggerated premise aside, it takes a special type of conscienceless psychopath to murder men, women and children across the world, so that the multinational corporations that run the democrat and republican "parties" can get richer at the people's expense.

I don't wish anyone harm, but it's not surprising that some of them grow a conscience, and then don't know what to do with it and twist it into worse violence. We know what we're doing is wrong, as a people and country, murdering across the world, spreading religious intolerance as a cover for wars that are really just about money and power for a few elite warmongers and their greasy pet politician PR agents, who spin wars for mass consumption.

Right now, we're spinning a buildup with Iran, pretending to try to work with them while "offering" deals that sidestep their natural sovereign right to nuclear technology, playing complete hypocrites ignoring Israel's complete refusal to abide by rules we're threatening Iran for supposedly not following when they are. We want to put a puppet regime back there so that their oil is controlled by corporations that cost the common American much more than they give back.

The headgames you would have to pull on yourself to justify this as righteous would create a schism in anybody's head, even more than the headgames people play to pretend it's not happening.

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He is a religious motivated murderer... not a combat stressed vet
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Posted by: pg on Nov 10, 2009 10:56 AM   
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"The shooting tragedy at Fort Hood on Friday points to a much larger problem of combat stress and overdeployment in Iraq and Afghanistan."

He had never been deployed, he suffered no combat stress or over-deployment.

The evidence is pointing to a lone wolf religious motivated terrorist.

To link him to vets actually suffering PTSD from stress and over-deployment is a disgrace.

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9/11--11/9
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Posted by: horton on Nov 10, 2009 12:29 PM   
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???

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GEORGE STEPHANOPOLOUS ON SUNDAY ASKED GENERAL ABOUT REPORT OF 2 OR 3 GUNMEN FLEEING POLICE
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Posted by: smf1403 on Nov 10, 2009 12:48 PM   
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When did we become a people who determine guilt before innocence?

When we succumbed to the brainwashing propaganda of the government-owned mainstream media and most media now.

A critical thinker would observe the original reports stating the gunman was dead and 2 fled the scene.

Even George Stephanopolous asked a general on Sunday about the report that there were 2 or 3 gunmen that fled from police.

Now all of a sudden, they have magically made the truth all go away.

After the military made up lies about Pat Tillman and covered up that he was killed by his own comrades, should we not at least ask questions?

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Beijing And Moscow In 30 Days
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Posted by: melpol on Nov 10, 2009 1:04 PM   
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Expect the president to send at least 250 thousand more troops to Afghanistan. They will be in place before 2012. He is a strong friend of the war-hawks and profiteers but keeps a low profile. Afghanistan will be used as a corridor to invade Russia and China. The American army will take Moscow and Beijing in 30 days, and the dream of one government, with its central headquarters in the White House, will become a reality.

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A La Akbar
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Posted by: aristopus on Nov 10, 2009 3:59 PM   
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If being Muslim has nothing to do with the shootings, why did Hasan yell A La Akbar, when he commenced firing?

It was A La Akbar all right, treacherous.

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Is This Accurate?
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Posted by: Lilly on Nov 10, 2009 8:56 PM   
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An article on the front page of today's New York Times (long detailed article) says that there have been 71 suicides at Fort Hood since 2001 and that 10 of these have been in the past year. That's different from "10 a month". I don't know who's right but the two statements are at variance.

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10 a Month?
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Posted by: Lilly on Nov 10, 2009 9:04 PM   
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I am concerned about this article's statement that Fort Hood has 10 suicides a month; today's NYT (major article) said it has had 10 over the past year. Ten a month (this is November) would be about 100 so far in 2009. AlterNet is not where I expect to see wild & crazy stuff. I have just come from townhall.com; here is a sample of what's raging there tonight: User "ApolloSpeaks" invites all to click onto his name for an amazing fact. I clicked. The amazing fact was that Hasan shot or wounded a total of 44 victims and Obama is our 44th President, this being proof positive that Obama is connected with [responsible for?] the Fort Hood massacre. When I read that stuff on townhall or hear it on Glenn Beck I am not surprised, but AlterNet needs to keep a calm head (take Obama as model) and get its facts straight.

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The FBI was notified in advance of the shootings of Hasan's contact with a radical cleric from Yemen
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Posted by: yellow on Nov 11, 2009 2:50 PM   
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There were witnesses to Hasan's links to a radical Muslim cleric who encouraged attacks on US soldiers in Iraq. He attended the same Mosque with this man, Anwar al-Awlaki in 2001 along with two of the 9/11 hijackers in Falls Church, VA. Al-Awlaki and Hasan recently communicated via email and the FBI had been informed of it long before the shootings. They were hoping that the emails would lead to bigger discoveries.

Furthermore, there were several witnesses to Hasan shooting people trying to flee the scene as he shot at them. One was Sgt. Mark Todd who fired at Hasan injuring him. The other was Chuck Medley, director of emergency services at Fort Hood who saw the entire thing as well as civilian police officer Kimberly Munley shoot Hasan. The FBI is conducting a further investigation.

Those like Prophit0, a obvious al-qaeda sympathizer who has expressed bitter hatred for Jews, Israel, the USA, and anyone who rejects her insane, paranoid, hateful and ignorant views, are beyond all reason and should not be part of the discourse. She is a horrible bigot and adds nothing to the discussion. Hopefully, she'll be banned soon.

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Suicidal Extremists
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Posted by: mizobe on Nov 12, 2009 8:26 PM   
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We hear all the time about the Islamic 'Suicide Bombers'.
Has anyone considered that anyone on either side who chooses to fight an unnecessary and illegal war probably has suicidal tendencies to begin with?
They hide behind their bravado and patriotism to cover up the fact that they have serious mental disorders. In fact they are exactly like the stupid, violent gang-bangers bent on having their turf wars because someone is wearing a different color. When they do it on the streets of East LA we call them criminals. When they do it in Iraq we call them heroes. I don't see one iota of difference. Real heroes don't abet and enable evil.
People who kill over ideological differences are psychotic murderers to begin with.
I, for one am not a all surprised when crazy people do crazy things. That's what they do!

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Posted by: login@bugmenot.com on Nov 14, 2009 12:48 AM   
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theyd all top themselves, the world would be a much more peaceful place.

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