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If You Say the Taliban = 9/11 Often Enough, Maybe Someone Will Believe It?
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On September 11, 2001, my office building, the World Trade Center, was attacked by al Qaeda, a murder cult of Saudi Arabians, funded by Saudi Arabians. And so, in response to the Saudis' attack, America invaded ... Afghanistan. Like, HUH?
And here we go again. New York Times headline last Friday: "Pakistani Army, In Its Campaign In Taliban Stronghold, Finds A Hint Of 9/11."
Google it and you'll find the Times report repeated and amplified 5,785 times more.
Taliban = 9/11. Taliban = 9/11. Taliban = 9/11.
Your eyelids are getting heavy. Taliban = 9/11. Taliban = 9/11.
It's the latest hit from the same crew that brought you Saddam = 9/11 and its twin chant, Saddam = WMD, Dick Cheney's chimerical tropes which the New York Times' Judith Miller happily channeled to the paper's front page.
And they're at it again.
Every war begins with a lie. In addition to Saddam = WMD, I'm old enough to remember the Gulf of Tonkin resolution authorizing the war in Vietnam, based on a fictional Vietnamese gunboat attack on our Navy. (White House recordings have Lyndon Johnson gloating privately, "Hell, those damn stupid [US] sailors were just shooting at flying fish.")
In the Glorious War against the Taliban in Afghanistan, the lie is thus: al Qaeda is "based" in Taliban-controlled Afghanistan. If we don't fight the wily Taliban, as the British once fought the wily Pathan, al Qaeda will attack America again from Talibanistan.
The latest Taliban=9/11 fantasy is a yarn spun wildly outward from the finding of a passport of an al Qaeda flunky who worked with suicide pilot Mohammed Atta in the same mountain area where, years later, a Taliban group operated. It's a stretch, but when you want to sell a war, it will do.
But selling the re-invasion of Afghanistan requires a repetition of Lie #1: that the original attack on the World Trade towers and the Pentagon were planned from Afghanistan's and Pakistan's mountains with the connivance of the Taliban.
It's not true, of course. The September 11 attack was neither organized nor directed from Afghanistan by the Taliban. In fact, as our BBC Report found, it was clear that the attack on my friends and co-workers was planned and carried out by al Qaeda operations in Falls Church, Virginia; Paris, France; Sarasota, Florida; Hamburg, Germany;— and, I repeat, funded and manned from Saudi Arabia. Neither the Sunshine State nor the Aryan namesake of the original beef patty sandwich were, nor are they now, convenient targets for a revenge attack by the 101st Airborne.
And revenge was what it was and remains: on September 11 the skunks hit us and we, goddamnit, were going to HIT BACK. ANYONE. SOMEONE. So we hit the odious, and conveniently weak, Taliban, who'd, undeniably, given refuge to killer Osama bin Laden. Though let us not forget that Osama’s safe passage from the Sudan to Afghanistan was initially encouraged by the US government.
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Taliban
Posted by: login@bugmenot.com on Nov 6, 2009 1:59 AM
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Posted by: login@bugmenot.com on Nov 6, 2009 1:59 AM
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The Taliban are just radical fanatics who want to be left to their own devices to govern and rule Afghanistan. They have no qualms with the US in the same way that Bin Laden supposedly had qualms with the US.
But, it has become a hobby for many racists and hate-filled individuals to feign outrage at the way the Taliban treat each other, or treat women within their own communities, or the beliefs they hold.
At the same time, they use the Taliban to draw parallels with Muslim Americans. That tactic helps them frame their bigotry and hatred and allows them to justify their hate "hobbies".
Think of it as a gang whose members often join because the gang provides them with a sense of belonging, brotherhood, and fraternity. That's how the brains of many racists work. It makes them feel better about their own weaknesses. It gives them a sense of validation and empowerment.
So, as long as there are bigots out there, we're always going to find those who make such specious connections between the Taliban and 9/11 and Saddam Hussein, no matter the evidence to the contrary.
But, it has become a hobby for many racists and hate-filled individuals to feign outrage at the way the Taliban treat each other, or treat women within their own communities, or the beliefs they hold.
At the same time, they use the Taliban to draw parallels with Muslim Americans. That tactic helps them frame their bigotry and hatred and allows them to justify their hate "hobbies".
Think of it as a gang whose members often join because the gang provides them with a sense of belonging, brotherhood, and fraternity. That's how the brains of many racists work. It makes them feel better about their own weaknesses. It gives them a sense of validation and empowerment.
So, as long as there are bigots out there, we're always going to find those who make such specious connections between the Taliban and 9/11 and Saddam Hussein, no matter the evidence to the contrary.
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Greg
Posted by: login@bugmenot.com on Nov 6, 2009 2:11 AM
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"...of Saudi Arabians, funded by Saudi Arabians".
The phraseology is a bit questionable. If you're looking to dispel myths, then please be more specific in your wording.
Osama Bin Laden was a Saudi Arabian man. That's much we know for sure. He also invested his own fortune in recruiting individuals to fight against the US and growing presence of US military in Saudi Arabia. That much we know for sure.
Now, here's the gray area. In the days after 9/11 the FBI came out with the identities of the alleged hijackers. It also claimed that they were mostly Saudi Arabian nationals.
But, in the days following the FBI's announcement, some of the individuals identified, turned up alive and well in various countries. I recall one particular person who happened to be an Egyptian airline pilot.
So, if whenever one writes to criticize the often overlooked "details" such as the Taliban's lack of involvement in 9/11, then one must ask oneself, where do such assertions come?
By the way, I have been reading your articles for a few years now, great work on the presidential election fraud of 2000 and 2004.
The phraseology is a bit questionable. If you're looking to dispel myths, then please be more specific in your wording.
Osama Bin Laden was a Saudi Arabian man. That's much we know for sure. He also invested his own fortune in recruiting individuals to fight against the US and growing presence of US military in Saudi Arabia. That much we know for sure.
Now, here's the gray area. In the days after 9/11 the FBI came out with the identities of the alleged hijackers. It also claimed that they were mostly Saudi Arabian nationals.
But, in the days following the FBI's announcement, some of the individuals identified, turned up alive and well in various countries. I recall one particular person who happened to be an Egyptian airline pilot.
So, if whenever one writes to criticize the often overlooked "details" such as the Taliban's lack of involvement in 9/11, then one must ask oneself, where do such assertions come?
By the way, I have been reading your articles for a few years now, great work on the presidential election fraud of 2000 and 2004.
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» Here we go again with "hijackers are still alive" lie.
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Our Country is soul sick
Posted by: weathered on Nov 6, 2009 3:11 AM
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Posted by: weathered on Nov 6, 2009 3:11 AM
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the infection took hold the day bushcon stole the election from Gore and we've been Lying to ourselves ever since.
Indict Silverstein for insurance fraud and murder and the rest of this, the darkest most diabolic crimes and contortions ever manipulated upon a once better Nation will have a chance to heal and recover - or it will simply deteriorate in its own free-fall.
Indict Silverstein for insurance fraud and murder and the rest of this, the darkest most diabolic crimes and contortions ever manipulated upon a once better Nation will have a chance to heal and recover - or it will simply deteriorate in its own free-fall.
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» RE: Our Country is soul sick
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Practice, practice, practice
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Nov 6, 2009 6:09 AM
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Nov 6, 2009 6:09 AM
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The advertising industry has had long experience with crafting what people think. They make us long for big-screen televisions and game machines. They have made us want big cars and trucks that we really don't need and bigger homes that we can't afford. They are very good at what they do.
And they do not limit themselves to selling merchandise. They convinced us through repetition that Al Gore was wooden but couldn't tell the truth. They convinced us that both Al Gore and John Kerry were cowards in Vietnam, but that Bush Jr., the deserter, was a hero. So why would we think they could not sell us on the idea that the Taliban and Saddam were at the root of 9/11.
Tell a big enough lie and people will believe it; just tell it often enough to make it sink in.
And they do not limit themselves to selling merchandise. They convinced us through repetition that Al Gore was wooden but couldn't tell the truth. They convinced us that both Al Gore and John Kerry were cowards in Vietnam, but that Bush Jr., the deserter, was a hero. So why would we think they could not sell us on the idea that the Taliban and Saddam were at the root of 9/11.
Tell a big enough lie and people will believe it; just tell it often enough to make it sink in.
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Taliban oil diplomacy and the desire for a new route to Central Asian oil...
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Nov 6, 2009 6:54 AM
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That's the reason why the Bush Administration gave $43 million to the Taliban (in strictly humanitarian aid) in the spring-summer of 2001.
"Accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we will bury you in a carpet of bombs."
In 1997 Unocal's main office in Afghanistan was right down the street from one of Osama bin Laden's residences, back when his pariah status was lower, and wealthy Gulf Arabs would occasionally fly in to go on falconing expeditions in Afghanistan.
To understand this, you have to know some history. Here's Steve Coll, summarizing his book Ghost Wars:
* The first part begins with the Soviet invasion in 1979 and ends with the withdrawal of Soviet troops: the period of the anti-Soviet jihad; the intensive collaboration between the CIA, ISI, and Saudi intelligence; the most successful covert action certainly in the modern history of the CIA and one of the most successful in the history of intelligence.
Structures that were built up and patterns established in those years become crucial to an understanding of what follows.
* The second chapter begins with the withdrawal of Soviet troops and runs to early 1998. From an American perspective it’s a narrative of withdrawal and retreat.
Initially there is an intense debate about whether the U.S. had continuing interests in Afghanistan and in the Sunni Islamic fountainhead that it was creating, radicalism or not.
And then ultimately the U.S. withdraws, the Taliban rise, and a new and somewhat distorted form of American relations with Pakistani intelligence settles in.
* And finally, the third part is the period from the spring of 1998 until September 10 when the CIA, under Presidential order, returns to the region in an attempt to disrupt al Qaeda, capture or kill bin Laden, even before the Africa embassy bombings in August 1998.
Then came 9/11. A couple points to keep in mind:
1) The Al Qaeda 9/11 plotters selected Saudis to recruit because Saudis could get visas without interviews and pass easily through U.S. customs due to the Saudi-U.S. special relationship. Similarly, wealthy Saudis were common clients of U.S. flight schools.
2) They appear to have relied heavily on secret financing channels linked to Saudi charities, hence to American oil consumers and the global flow of petrodollars - meaning that ultimately, we're the ones who financed those attacks - at the gas pump.
3) The Taliban were driven from Afghanistan, but were then allowed to return as the Bush team turned its focus on Iraqi oilfields.
4) Then, this deal was signed, Dec 2002: The Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline is slated to be completed in 2014, with $7.6 billion in funding from the Asian Development Bank.
"An agreement has been signed in the Turkmen capital, Ashgabat, paving the way for construction of a gas pipeline from the Central Asian republic through Afghanistan to Pakistan."
This would allow U.S.& British companies to ship gas directly to India from Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan, look at the map.
4) The U.S. wants to block Iran from constructing a natural gas pipeline across southern Pakistan to India, as well.
5) The U.S. and Europe are otherwise stuck with Russian and Iranian control of access routes to Central Asian gas and oil. See Nabucco, as well.
The UPI pretty much spells it out, Jun 2008:
The Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline, or TAPI, is a planned project to deliver natural gas from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan to Pakistan and on into India. The United States supports the project as part of a broader containment strategy to deter the influence of Russia and Iran in the energy market.
Palast is missing the big stinky elephant in the room, I think.
"Accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we will bury you in a carpet of bombs."
In 1997 Unocal's main office in Afghanistan was right down the street from one of Osama bin Laden's residences, back when his pariah status was lower, and wealthy Gulf Arabs would occasionally fly in to go on falconing expeditions in Afghanistan.
To understand this, you have to know some history. Here's Steve Coll, summarizing his book Ghost Wars:
* The first part begins with the Soviet invasion in 1979 and ends with the withdrawal of Soviet troops: the period of the anti-Soviet jihad; the intensive collaboration between the CIA, ISI, and Saudi intelligence; the most successful covert action certainly in the modern history of the CIA and one of the most successful in the history of intelligence.
Structures that were built up and patterns established in those years become crucial to an understanding of what follows.
* The second chapter begins with the withdrawal of Soviet troops and runs to early 1998. From an American perspective it’s a narrative of withdrawal and retreat.
Initially there is an intense debate about whether the U.S. had continuing interests in Afghanistan and in the Sunni Islamic fountainhead that it was creating, radicalism or not.
And then ultimately the U.S. withdraws, the Taliban rise, and a new and somewhat distorted form of American relations with Pakistani intelligence settles in.
* And finally, the third part is the period from the spring of 1998 until September 10 when the CIA, under Presidential order, returns to the region in an attempt to disrupt al Qaeda, capture or kill bin Laden, even before the Africa embassy bombings in August 1998.
Then came 9/11. A couple points to keep in mind:
1) The Al Qaeda 9/11 plotters selected Saudis to recruit because Saudis could get visas without interviews and pass easily through U.S. customs due to the Saudi-U.S. special relationship. Similarly, wealthy Saudis were common clients of U.S. flight schools.
2) They appear to have relied heavily on secret financing channels linked to Saudi charities, hence to American oil consumers and the global flow of petrodollars - meaning that ultimately, we're the ones who financed those attacks - at the gas pump.
3) The Taliban were driven from Afghanistan, but were then allowed to return as the Bush team turned its focus on Iraqi oilfields.
4) Then, this deal was signed, Dec 2002: The Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline is slated to be completed in 2014, with $7.6 billion in funding from the Asian Development Bank.
"An agreement has been signed in the Turkmen capital, Ashgabat, paving the way for construction of a gas pipeline from the Central Asian republic through Afghanistan to Pakistan."
This would allow U.S.& British companies to ship gas directly to India from Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan, look at the map.
4) The U.S. wants to block Iran from constructing a natural gas pipeline across southern Pakistan to India, as well.
5) The U.S. and Europe are otherwise stuck with Russian and Iranian control of access routes to Central Asian gas and oil. See Nabucco, as well.
The UPI pretty much spells it out, Jun 2008:
The Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline, or TAPI, is a planned project to deliver natural gas from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan to Pakistan and on into India. The United States supports the project as part of a broader containment strategy to deter the influence of Russia and Iran in the energy market.
Palast is missing the big stinky elephant in the room, I think.
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» The real elephant in the room may well be that Cheney let 9/11 proceed on purpose...
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» RE: The real elephant in the room may well be that Cheney let 9/11 proceed on purpose...
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» RE: The real elephant in the room is who can troofer in
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» RE: The real elephant in the room is who can troofer in
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» RE: The real elephant in the room is who can troofer in
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» RE: The real elephant in the room is who can troofer in
Posted by: desmodroid
» In other words you have NO evidence to support your claim.
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» RE: What is a Guitar Bill?
Posted by: Age of Reason
» Obama's pushing the lie, so most "corporate liberals" buy it now...
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I wish everyone would take a few minutes to research "false-flag" terrorism
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Nov 6, 2009 6:54 AM
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Nov 6, 2009 6:54 AM
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It's been used many, many times in history to start and/or escalate wars.
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Then again, the NWO/globalists are just fanatics who want to rule the
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Nov 6, 2009 7:01 AM
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Nov 6, 2009 7:01 AM
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entire world!
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Correction
Posted by: eddie torres on Nov 6, 2009 7:32 AM
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Posted by: eddie torres on Nov 6, 2009 7:32 AM
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Taliban = 9/11? Uhhh... 9 ÷ 11 = .818181.
Sorry Greg, but your 9/11 math is way off. It ain't 101, it's 81.
So, using Cheney math, Afghanistan oil + Bananastan gas = Unocal - Enron (whoops) / US dollar x 81st Airborne.
Fixed.
Sorry Greg, but your 9/11 math is way off. It ain't 101, it's 81.
So, using Cheney math, Afghanistan oil + Bananastan gas = Unocal - Enron (whoops) / US dollar x 81st Airborne.
Fixed.
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Still selling the lie?
Posted by: Age of Reason on Nov 6, 2009 8:11 AM
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Posted by: Age of Reason on Nov 6, 2009 8:11 AM
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In fact, as our BBC Report found, it was clear that the attack on my friends and co-workers was planned and carried out by al Qaeda operations in Falls Church, Virginia; Paris, France; Sarasota, Florida; Hamburg, Germany; — and, I repeat, funded and manned from Saudi Arabia."
Still selling the old chestnut that 9/11 was an al Qaeda operation when a.) they are a CIA program that got slightly out of hand (but that too makes a good cover) and b.) the real perps - Richard Bruce Cheney, Donald Henry Rumsfeld, Richard Bowman Myers, et.al - get a pass for their role in orchestrating the events of 9/11 for their Masters?
Oh yeah, it was 19 Arabs with boxcutters. Sure, now let's point the focus on Saudi Arabia (with their purported contribution of the majority of patsies) rather than Afghanistan and Iraq - which we have already decimated and occupied and ruined.
Yeah right. Alternet, you are part of the problem.
Still selling the old chestnut that 9/11 was an al Qaeda operation when a.) they are a CIA program that got slightly out of hand (but that too makes a good cover) and b.) the real perps - Richard Bruce Cheney, Donald Henry Rumsfeld, Richard Bowman Myers, et.al - get a pass for their role in orchestrating the events of 9/11 for their Masters?
Oh yeah, it was 19 Arabs with boxcutters. Sure, now let's point the focus on Saudi Arabia (with their purported contribution of the majority of patsies) rather than Afghanistan and Iraq - which we have already decimated and occupied and ruined.
Yeah right. Alternet, you are part of the problem.
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9/11 & Lies........
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Nov 6, 2009 8:26 AM
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Nov 6, 2009 8:26 AM
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As much of a tragedy that 9/11 was, the real tragedy was the cowboy response - bomb them all! Yes, all of the perpetrators were from Saudi Arabia, yet, this nation still does business with the Saudi's. The Taliban were guilty of atrocities in their nation against the Afghan people, but they had nothing to do with 9/11! As viewed during the Bushco years, everything was either black or white, good or evil, you were either with US or you were against US. That disastrous "policy" along with "Ideas of Christian Empire" have left "US" divided and at war with each other!
There is no longer a civil discourse as those chanting for a continuation of this disastrous position blunt all discussion with the rhetorical "traitor/un-American" chants! What's really missing from the discussion is: why are we embroiled in this war? What is it that we are really supposed to achieve in those nations? And, who told US that we were supposed to foster "democracy" in other countries, even as we don't have "true democracy" in this country?! Let us stop pretending that Osama (who) will be captured, or that capturing him will stop those that want to "plot to destroy" another American city!
If the bobbleheads would just listen, or shut up & sit down, then maybe real rational discussion could be held, and we would see that it really is time to bring our children home, straighten out our own house, and learn to live with each other!
There is no longer a civil discourse as those chanting for a continuation of this disastrous position blunt all discussion with the rhetorical "traitor/un-American" chants! What's really missing from the discussion is: why are we embroiled in this war? What is it that we are really supposed to achieve in those nations? And, who told US that we were supposed to foster "democracy" in other countries, even as we don't have "true democracy" in this country?! Let us stop pretending that Osama (who) will be captured, or that capturing him will stop those that want to "plot to destroy" another American city!
If the bobbleheads would just listen, or shut up & sit down, then maybe real rational discussion could be held, and we would see that it really is time to bring our children home, straighten out our own house, and learn to live with each other!
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The Taliban and 9/11
Posted by: brunowe on Nov 6, 2009 9:04 AM
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The point is that the Taliban were well aware that al-Qaida had set up an infrastructure in Afghanistan for training and planning. While there, it perpetrated the 1998 embassy bombings and the attack on the USS Cole. Yes, some of that planning perforce had to be on site but the HQ in Afghanistan superintended it all, signed off on plans has was an important part of the financial conduit.
As early as 1998, there had been a UN Security Council resolution ordering the Taliban to cease providing sanctuary for al-Qaida, which they disregarded. Further, the connection between the two was more than just the Taliban providing space. al-Qaida, in return, providing financing and volunteers for the Taliban's fight against the Northern Alliance.
Palast's facile argument simply ignores all of that, which is the only way you can argue no ties between the Taliban and the actions of al-Qaida.
As early as 1998, there had been a UN Security Council resolution ordering the Taliban to cease providing sanctuary for al-Qaida, which they disregarded. Further, the connection between the two was more than just the Taliban providing space. al-Qaida, in return, providing financing and volunteers for the Taliban's fight against the Northern Alliance.
Palast's facile argument simply ignores all of that, which is the only way you can argue no ties between the Taliban and the actions of al-Qaida.
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» Typical truthiness dishonesty
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If the official version of 9/11 is true...
Posted by: Old Uncle Dave on Nov 6, 2009 9:05 AM
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Posted by: Old Uncle Dave on Nov 6, 2009 9:05 AM
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... we're in serious trouble. An enemy that can suspend the laws of physics is formidable indeed!
BTW, have building codes been changed yet to require use of steel that's not easily melted by low temperature flames?
BTW, have building codes been changed yet to require use of steel that's not easily melted by low temperature flames?
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» Better yet, WTC 7 collapsed when no plane hit it
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» RE: Better yet, WTC 7 collapsed when no plane hit it
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» Or, the WTC buildings were victims of other exotic technologies
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» Dr. Wood
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» I agree
Posted by: james108
» Dr. Judy Wood has about as much credibility as you Glenn.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» Blimey, I actually Agree with GuitarBill on something about 9/11
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» Don't dismiss it until you've looked further
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» LOL! Now lack of evidence is evidence.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» Dr Wood and Uncle Fetzer yammer about 911.
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Mossad/CIA DNA is all over 9/11
Posted by: weathered on Nov 6, 2009 11:02 AM
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Posted by: weathered on Nov 6, 2009 11:02 AM
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Silverstein had the means and motive to permit a controlled demolition to take place at WTC.
Put him in front of a grand jury
Put him in front of a grand jury
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» So Weathered are you
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» You misspoke, dismaldriod.
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» RE: You misspoke, dismaldriod.
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Massoud's Murder Was The Taliban's Price For 9/11
Posted by: gradioc on Nov 6, 2009 4:37 PM
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On Sep. 9, 2001 two Tunisians posing as Belgian journalists of Arab extraction managed to get an interview with Ahmad Shah Massoud, chief military commander of the Northern Alliance and probably the man most feared by the Taliban. A bomb exploded, most ikely hidden inside their video camera (which was actually stolen in France) killing Massoud, one of his top advisors and one of the "journalists". The other attacker was shot and killed by Massoud's men. When news of this broke on Sep. 10, I immediately thoght it looked like an al-Qaeda operation and wondered why they were involving themselves in internal Afghan politics to that extent.The next day was 9/11 and then it made sense. The assasination of Massoud was a quid pro quo for the protection of the Taliban government in the wake of those attacks. No one will ever convince me that Mullah Omar (the leader of the Taliban, whose name I have not noticed in the article or this thread) and his inner circle did not know that something, maybe not details, but something bad was going to happen and bring the US down on them and they signed off on it.
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Fantasy Land
Posted by: cariboo on Nov 6, 2009 7:28 PM
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Posted by: cariboo on Nov 6, 2009 7:28 PM
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Earth to Palast: stop perpetuating the official conspiracy theory.
Visit Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth for a reality check.
Silence is complicity. How many Iraqis and Afghanis have to die before high profile left-winger start to face reality and call attention to an obvious inside job????
Visit Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth for a reality check.
Silence is complicity. How many Iraqis and Afghanis have to die before high profile left-winger start to face reality and call attention to an obvious inside job????
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It may already be too late
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For us to pull everything out of the fire. Our little planet is already grossly overpopulated and grossly polluted, and even if we somehow manage to immediately stop doing everything we're doing wrong, a grim future is almost certainly awaiting us.
As bad as all our self-inflicted problems are, DENIAL and FINGER POINTING are worse.
As bad as all our self-inflicted problems are, DENIAL and FINGER POINTING are worse.
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NASA Engineer Proves Controlled Demo
Posted by: JAND on Nov 7, 2009 7:23 AM
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Using evidence from scientists and engineers worldwide, thirty year NASA engineer discusses the controlled demo of all three towers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En6gL1W4avA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En6gL1W4avA
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Nasty cuttroats indeed
Posted by: PorkySwine on Nov 8, 2009 2:55 AM
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This is mainly a good article but for this line: "And, honestly, there's a case to be made that rocketing more Taliban, really nasty cutthroats that they are, is a laudable exercise."
More American exceptionalism? So America is allowed to go around the word rocketing 'nasty cutthroats"? It has plenty at home. When they have all been rocketed god know what percentage of the population), where next? And ho decides who is a nasty cutthroat?
This misses a huge issue. Karzai and fiends who were supported in a rigged vote (a US specialty)is that they are just as 'nasty and cutthroat' as the so-called Taliban.
More American exceptionalism? So America is allowed to go around the word rocketing 'nasty cutthroats"? It has plenty at home. When they have all been rocketed god know what percentage of the population), where next? And ho decides who is a nasty cutthroat?
This misses a huge issue. Karzai and fiends who were supported in a rigged vote (a US specialty)is that they are just as 'nasty and cutthroat' as the so-called Taliban.
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The War Against Afghanistan has turned into an illegal venture
Posted by: Lese Majeste on Nov 8, 2009 7:10 AM
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Congress passed the "Authorization to Use Military Force" to go after Binny Laden and his al CIA Duh posse as revenge for 9/11.
Now that the CIA's buddies in al Qaedae have been either killed or driven out of Afghanistan, what legal fig leaf is OBOMBA using to change the original resolution to fight against the Taliban?
And what in the hell are we doing getting involved in the middle of a civil war?
Oh well, at least these wars keeps Wall Street fat and rolling in the dough and makes Israel VERY happy that we're fighting their 'existential' enemies.
Roads and bridges falling apart? Schools needing to be brought up to 21st Century standards?
Still wish you had that good paying job that got shipped overseas?
Wondering if your savings account will ever start making money?
A family member or friend get killed in Iraq?
You should feel honored and proud to contribute to this endless series of wars against America!!
Now that the CIA's buddies in al Qaedae have been either killed or driven out of Afghanistan, what legal fig leaf is OBOMBA using to change the original resolution to fight against the Taliban?
And what in the hell are we doing getting involved in the middle of a civil war?
Oh well, at least these wars keeps Wall Street fat and rolling in the dough and makes Israel VERY happy that we're fighting their 'existential' enemies.
Roads and bridges falling apart? Schools needing to be brought up to 21st Century standards?
Still wish you had that good paying job that got shipped overseas?
Wondering if your savings account will ever start making money?
A family member or friend get killed in Iraq?
You should feel honored and proud to contribute to this endless series of wars against America!!
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Israel (Mossad) and CIA were primary orchestrators...
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of 9/11. The evidence is overwhelming--and the fingerprints of Israeli "false flags" operations are all over 9/11.
This is the most comprehensive site for naming names and giving details of Israeli/CIA planning and pulling off 9/11--with a little help from their Zionist mainstream media friends....and AlterNet in on the coverup.
Take it from here, AlterNet trolls Encino and GuitarBill.....
This is the most comprehensive site for naming names and giving details of Israeli/CIA planning and pulling off 9/11--with a little help from their Zionist mainstream media friends....and AlterNet in on the coverup.
Take it from here, AlterNet trolls Encino and GuitarBill.....
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Taliban
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The Taliban are just radical fanatics who want to be left to their own devices to govern and rule Afghanistan. They have no qualms with the US in the same way that Bin Laden supposedly had qualms with the US.
But, it has become a hobby for many racists and hate-filled individuals to feign outrage at the way the Taliban treat each other, or treat women within their own communities, or the beliefs they hold.
At the same time, they use the Taliban to draw parallels with Muslim Americans. That tactic helps them frame their bigotry and hatred and allows them to justify their hate "hobbies".
Think of it as a gang whose members often join because the gang provides them with a sense of belonging, brotherhood, and fraternity. That's how the brains of many racists work. It makes them feel better about their own weaknesses. It gives them a sense of validation and empowerment.
So, as long as there are bigots out there, we're always going to find those who make such specious connections between the Taliban and 9/11 and Saddam Hussein, no matter the evidence to the contrary.
But, it has become a hobby for many racists and hate-filled individuals to feign outrage at the way the Taliban treat each other, or treat women within their own communities, or the beliefs they hold.
At the same time, they use the Taliban to draw parallels with Muslim Americans. That tactic helps them frame their bigotry and hatred and allows them to justify their hate "hobbies".
Think of it as a gang whose members often join because the gang provides them with a sense of belonging, brotherhood, and fraternity. That's how the brains of many racists work. It makes them feel better about their own weaknesses. It gives them a sense of validation and empowerment.
So, as long as there are bigots out there, we're always going to find those who make such specious connections between the Taliban and 9/11 and Saddam Hussein, no matter the evidence to the contrary.
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"...of Saudi Arabians, funded by Saudi Arabians".
The phraseology is a bit questionable. If you're looking to dispel myths, then please be more specific in your wording.
Osama Bin Laden was a Saudi Arabian man. That's much we know for sure. He also invested his own fortune in recruiting individuals to fight against the US and growing presence of US military in Saudi Arabia. That much we know for sure.
Now, here's the gray area. In the days after 9/11 the FBI came out with the identities of the alleged hijackers. It also claimed that they were mostly Saudi Arabian nationals.
But, in the days following the FBI's announcement, some of the individuals identified, turned up alive and well in various countries. I recall one particular person who happened to be an Egyptian airline pilot.
So, if whenever one writes to criticize the often overlooked "details" such as the Taliban's lack of involvement in 9/11, then one must ask oneself, where do such assertions come?
By the way, I have been reading your articles for a few years now, great work on the presidential election fraud of 2000 and 2004.
The phraseology is a bit questionable. If you're looking to dispel myths, then please be more specific in your wording.
Osama Bin Laden was a Saudi Arabian man. That's much we know for sure. He also invested his own fortune in recruiting individuals to fight against the US and growing presence of US military in Saudi Arabia. That much we know for sure.
Now, here's the gray area. In the days after 9/11 the FBI came out with the identities of the alleged hijackers. It also claimed that they were mostly Saudi Arabian nationals.
But, in the days following the FBI's announcement, some of the individuals identified, turned up alive and well in various countries. I recall one particular person who happened to be an Egyptian airline pilot.
So, if whenever one writes to criticize the often overlooked "details" such as the Taliban's lack of involvement in 9/11, then one must ask oneself, where do such assertions come?
By the way, I have been reading your articles for a few years now, great work on the presidential election fraud of 2000 and 2004.
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Our Country is soul sick
Posted by: weathered on Nov 6, 2009 3:11 AM
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the infection took hold the day bushcon stole the election from Gore and we've been Lying to ourselves ever since.
Indict Silverstein for insurance fraud and murder and the rest of this, the darkest most diabolic crimes and contortions ever manipulated upon a once better Nation will have a chance to heal and recover - or it will simply deteriorate in its own free-fall.
Indict Silverstein for insurance fraud and murder and the rest of this, the darkest most diabolic crimes and contortions ever manipulated upon a once better Nation will have a chance to heal and recover - or it will simply deteriorate in its own free-fall.
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Nov 6, 2009 6:09 AM
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The advertising industry has had long experience with crafting what people think. They make us long for big-screen televisions and game machines. They have made us want big cars and trucks that we really don't need and bigger homes that we can't afford. They are very good at what they do.
And they do not limit themselves to selling merchandise. They convinced us through repetition that Al Gore was wooden but couldn't tell the truth. They convinced us that both Al Gore and John Kerry were cowards in Vietnam, but that Bush Jr., the deserter, was a hero. So why would we think they could not sell us on the idea that the Taliban and Saddam were at the root of 9/11.
Tell a big enough lie and people will believe it; just tell it often enough to make it sink in.
And they do not limit themselves to selling merchandise. They convinced us through repetition that Al Gore was wooden but couldn't tell the truth. They convinced us that both Al Gore and John Kerry were cowards in Vietnam, but that Bush Jr., the deserter, was a hero. So why would we think they could not sell us on the idea that the Taliban and Saddam were at the root of 9/11.
Tell a big enough lie and people will believe it; just tell it often enough to make it sink in.
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Taliban oil diplomacy and the desire for a new route to Central Asian oil...
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That's the reason why the Bush Administration gave $43 million to the Taliban (in strictly humanitarian aid) in the spring-summer of 2001.
"Accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we will bury you in a carpet of bombs."
In 1997 Unocal's main office in Afghanistan was right down the street from one of Osama bin Laden's residences, back when his pariah status was lower, and wealthy Gulf Arabs would occasionally fly in to go on falconing expeditions in Afghanistan.
To understand this, you have to know some history. Here's Steve Coll, summarizing his book Ghost Wars:
* The first part begins with the Soviet invasion in 1979 and ends with the withdrawal of Soviet troops: the period of the anti-Soviet jihad; the intensive collaboration between the CIA, ISI, and Saudi intelligence; the most successful covert action certainly in the modern history of the CIA and one of the most successful in the history of intelligence.
Structures that were built up and patterns established in those years become crucial to an understanding of what follows.
* The second chapter begins with the withdrawal of Soviet troops and runs to early 1998. From an American perspective it’s a narrative of withdrawal and retreat.
Initially there is an intense debate about whether the U.S. had continuing interests in Afghanistan and in the Sunni Islamic fountainhead that it was creating, radicalism or not.
And then ultimately the U.S. withdraws, the Taliban rise, and a new and somewhat distorted form of American relations with Pakistani intelligence settles in.
* And finally, the third part is the period from the spring of 1998 until September 10 when the CIA, under Presidential order, returns to the region in an attempt to disrupt al Qaeda, capture or kill bin Laden, even before the Africa embassy bombings in August 1998.
Then came 9/11. A couple points to keep in mind:
1) The Al Qaeda 9/11 plotters selected Saudis to recruit because Saudis could get visas without interviews and pass easily through U.S. customs due to the Saudi-U.S. special relationship. Similarly, wealthy Saudis were common clients of U.S. flight schools.
2) They appear to have relied heavily on secret financing channels linked to Saudi charities, hence to American oil consumers and the global flow of petrodollars - meaning that ultimately, we're the ones who financed those attacks - at the gas pump.
3) The Taliban were driven from Afghanistan, but were then allowed to return as the Bush team turned its focus on Iraqi oilfields.
4) Then, this deal was signed, Dec 2002: The Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline is slated to be completed in 2014, with $7.6 billion in funding from the Asian Development Bank.
"An agreement has been signed in the Turkmen capital, Ashgabat, paving the way for construction of a gas pipeline from the Central Asian republic through Afghanistan to Pakistan."
This would allow U.S.& British companies to ship gas directly to India from Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan, look at the map.
4) The U.S. wants to block Iran from constructing a natural gas pipeline across southern Pakistan to India, as well.
5) The U.S. and Europe are otherwise stuck with Russian and Iranian control of access routes to Central Asian gas and oil. See Nabucco, as well.
The UPI pretty much spells it out, Jun 2008:
The Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline, or TAPI, is a planned project to deliver natural gas from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan to Pakistan and on into India. The United States supports the project as part of a broader containment strategy to deter the influence of Russia and Iran in the energy market.
Palast is missing the big stinky elephant in the room, I think.
"Accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we will bury you in a carpet of bombs."
In 1997 Unocal's main office in Afghanistan was right down the street from one of Osama bin Laden's residences, back when his pariah status was lower, and wealthy Gulf Arabs would occasionally fly in to go on falconing expeditions in Afghanistan.
To understand this, you have to know some history. Here's Steve Coll, summarizing his book Ghost Wars:
* The first part begins with the Soviet invasion in 1979 and ends with the withdrawal of Soviet troops: the period of the anti-Soviet jihad; the intensive collaboration between the CIA, ISI, and Saudi intelligence; the most successful covert action certainly in the modern history of the CIA and one of the most successful in the history of intelligence.
Structures that were built up and patterns established in those years become crucial to an understanding of what follows.
* The second chapter begins with the withdrawal of Soviet troops and runs to early 1998. From an American perspective it’s a narrative of withdrawal and retreat.
Initially there is an intense debate about whether the U.S. had continuing interests in Afghanistan and in the Sunni Islamic fountainhead that it was creating, radicalism or not.
And then ultimately the U.S. withdraws, the Taliban rise, and a new and somewhat distorted form of American relations with Pakistani intelligence settles in.
* And finally, the third part is the period from the spring of 1998 until September 10 when the CIA, under Presidential order, returns to the region in an attempt to disrupt al Qaeda, capture or kill bin Laden, even before the Africa embassy bombings in August 1998.
Then came 9/11. A couple points to keep in mind:
1) The Al Qaeda 9/11 plotters selected Saudis to recruit because Saudis could get visas without interviews and pass easily through U.S. customs due to the Saudi-U.S. special relationship. Similarly, wealthy Saudis were common clients of U.S. flight schools.
2) They appear to have relied heavily on secret financing channels linked to Saudi charities, hence to American oil consumers and the global flow of petrodollars - meaning that ultimately, we're the ones who financed those attacks - at the gas pump.
3) The Taliban were driven from Afghanistan, but were then allowed to return as the Bush team turned its focus on Iraqi oilfields.
4) Then, this deal was signed, Dec 2002: The Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline is slated to be completed in 2014, with $7.6 billion in funding from the Asian Development Bank.
"An agreement has been signed in the Turkmen capital, Ashgabat, paving the way for construction of a gas pipeline from the Central Asian republic through Afghanistan to Pakistan."
This would allow U.S.& British companies to ship gas directly to India from Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan, look at the map.
4) The U.S. wants to block Iran from constructing a natural gas pipeline across southern Pakistan to India, as well.
5) The U.S. and Europe are otherwise stuck with Russian and Iranian control of access routes to Central Asian gas and oil. See Nabucco, as well.
The UPI pretty much spells it out, Jun 2008:
The Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline, or TAPI, is a planned project to deliver natural gas from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan to Pakistan and on into India. The United States supports the project as part of a broader containment strategy to deter the influence of Russia and Iran in the energy market.
Palast is missing the big stinky elephant in the room, I think.
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I wish everyone would take a few minutes to research "false-flag" terrorism
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Nov 6, 2009 6:54 AM
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It's been used many, many times in history to start and/or escalate wars.
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Then again, the NWO/globalists are just fanatics who want to rule the
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Nov 6, 2009 7:01 AM
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entire world!
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Correction
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Taliban = 9/11? Uhhh... 9 ÷ 11 = .818181.
Sorry Greg, but your 9/11 math is way off. It ain't 101, it's 81.
So, using Cheney math, Afghanistan oil + Bananastan gas = Unocal - Enron (whoops) / US dollar x 81st Airborne.
Fixed.
Sorry Greg, but your 9/11 math is way off. It ain't 101, it's 81.
So, using Cheney math, Afghanistan oil + Bananastan gas = Unocal - Enron (whoops) / US dollar x 81st Airborne.
Fixed.
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Still selling the lie?
Posted by: Age of Reason on Nov 6, 2009 8:11 AM
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In fact, as our BBC Report found, it was clear that the attack on my friends and co-workers was planned and carried out by al Qaeda operations in Falls Church, Virginia; Paris, France; Sarasota, Florida; Hamburg, Germany; — and, I repeat, funded and manned from Saudi Arabia."
Still selling the old chestnut that 9/11 was an al Qaeda operation when a.) they are a CIA program that got slightly out of hand (but that too makes a good cover) and b.) the real perps - Richard Bruce Cheney, Donald Henry Rumsfeld, Richard Bowman Myers, et.al - get a pass for their role in orchestrating the events of 9/11 for their Masters?
Oh yeah, it was 19 Arabs with boxcutters. Sure, now let's point the focus on Saudi Arabia (with their purported contribution of the majority of patsies) rather than Afghanistan and Iraq - which we have already decimated and occupied and ruined.
Yeah right. Alternet, you are part of the problem.
Still selling the old chestnut that 9/11 was an al Qaeda operation when a.) they are a CIA program that got slightly out of hand (but that too makes a good cover) and b.) the real perps - Richard Bruce Cheney, Donald Henry Rumsfeld, Richard Bowman Myers, et.al - get a pass for their role in orchestrating the events of 9/11 for their Masters?
Oh yeah, it was 19 Arabs with boxcutters. Sure, now let's point the focus on Saudi Arabia (with their purported contribution of the majority of patsies) rather than Afghanistan and Iraq - which we have already decimated and occupied and ruined.
Yeah right. Alternet, you are part of the problem.
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9/11 & Lies........
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Nov 6, 2009 8:26 AM
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As much of a tragedy that 9/11 was, the real tragedy was the cowboy response - bomb them all! Yes, all of the perpetrators were from Saudi Arabia, yet, this nation still does business with the Saudi's. The Taliban were guilty of atrocities in their nation against the Afghan people, but they had nothing to do with 9/11! As viewed during the Bushco years, everything was either black or white, good or evil, you were either with US or you were against US. That disastrous "policy" along with "Ideas of Christian Empire" have left "US" divided and at war with each other!
There is no longer a civil discourse as those chanting for a continuation of this disastrous position blunt all discussion with the rhetorical "traitor/un-American" chants! What's really missing from the discussion is: why are we embroiled in this war? What is it that we are really supposed to achieve in those nations? And, who told US that we were supposed to foster "democracy" in other countries, even as we don't have "true democracy" in this country?! Let us stop pretending that Osama (who) will be captured, or that capturing him will stop those that want to "plot to destroy" another American city!
If the bobbleheads would just listen, or shut up & sit down, then maybe real rational discussion could be held, and we would see that it really is time to bring our children home, straighten out our own house, and learn to live with each other!
There is no longer a civil discourse as those chanting for a continuation of this disastrous position blunt all discussion with the rhetorical "traitor/un-American" chants! What's really missing from the discussion is: why are we embroiled in this war? What is it that we are really supposed to achieve in those nations? And, who told US that we were supposed to foster "democracy" in other countries, even as we don't have "true democracy" in this country?! Let us stop pretending that Osama (who) will be captured, or that capturing him will stop those that want to "plot to destroy" another American city!
If the bobbleheads would just listen, or shut up & sit down, then maybe real rational discussion could be held, and we would see that it really is time to bring our children home, straighten out our own house, and learn to live with each other!
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» RE: 9/11 & Lies........
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The Taliban and 9/11
Posted by: brunowe on Nov 6, 2009 9:04 AM
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Posted by: brunowe on Nov 6, 2009 9:04 AM
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The point is that the Taliban were well aware that al-Qaida had set up an infrastructure in Afghanistan for training and planning. While there, it perpetrated the 1998 embassy bombings and the attack on the USS Cole. Yes, some of that planning perforce had to be on site but the HQ in Afghanistan superintended it all, signed off on plans has was an important part of the financial conduit.
As early as 1998, there had been a UN Security Council resolution ordering the Taliban to cease providing sanctuary for al-Qaida, which they disregarded. Further, the connection between the two was more than just the Taliban providing space. al-Qaida, in return, providing financing and volunteers for the Taliban's fight against the Northern Alliance.
Palast's facile argument simply ignores all of that, which is the only way you can argue no ties between the Taliban and the actions of al-Qaida.
As early as 1998, there had been a UN Security Council resolution ordering the Taliban to cease providing sanctuary for al-Qaida, which they disregarded. Further, the connection between the two was more than just the Taliban providing space. al-Qaida, in return, providing financing and volunteers for the Taliban's fight against the Northern Alliance.
Palast's facile argument simply ignores all of that, which is the only way you can argue no ties between the Taliban and the actions of al-Qaida.
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» RE: The Taliban and 9/11
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» Typical truthiness dishonesty
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» RE: Typical truthiness dishonesty
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If the official version of 9/11 is true...
Posted by: Old Uncle Dave on Nov 6, 2009 9:05 AM
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... we're in serious trouble. An enemy that can suspend the laws of physics is formidable indeed!
BTW, have building codes been changed yet to require use of steel that's not easily melted by low temperature flames?
BTW, have building codes been changed yet to require use of steel that's not easily melted by low temperature flames?
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» Better yet, WTC 7 collapsed when no plane hit it
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» RE: Better yet, WTC 7 collapsed when no plane hit it
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» Or, the WTC buildings were victims of other exotic technologies
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» Dr. Wood
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» I agree
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» Dr. Judy Wood has about as much credibility as you Glenn.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» Blimey, I actually Agree with GuitarBill on something about 9/11
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» Don't dismiss it until you've looked further
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» LOL! Now lack of evidence is evidence.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» Dr Wood and Uncle Fetzer yammer about 911.
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Mossad/CIA DNA is all over 9/11
Posted by: weathered on Nov 6, 2009 11:02 AM
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Silverstein had the means and motive to permit a controlled demolition to take place at WTC.
Put him in front of a grand jury
Put him in front of a grand jury
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» So Weathered are you
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» RE: So Weathered are you
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» You misspoke, dismaldriod.
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» RE: You misspoke, dismaldriod.
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Massoud's Murder Was The Taliban's Price For 9/11
Posted by: gradioc on Nov 6, 2009 4:37 PM
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On Sep. 9, 2001 two Tunisians posing as Belgian journalists of Arab extraction managed to get an interview with Ahmad Shah Massoud, chief military commander of the Northern Alliance and probably the man most feared by the Taliban. A bomb exploded, most ikely hidden inside their video camera (which was actually stolen in France) killing Massoud, one of his top advisors and one of the "journalists". The other attacker was shot and killed by Massoud's men. When news of this broke on Sep. 10, I immediately thoght it looked like an al-Qaeda operation and wondered why they were involving themselves in internal Afghan politics to that extent.The next day was 9/11 and then it made sense. The assasination of Massoud was a quid pro quo for the protection of the Taliban government in the wake of those attacks. No one will ever convince me that Mullah Omar (the leader of the Taliban, whose name I have not noticed in the article or this thread) and his inner circle did not know that something, maybe not details, but something bad was going to happen and bring the US down on them and they signed off on it.
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» RE: Massoud's Murder Was The Taliban's Price For 9/11
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Fantasy Land
Posted by: cariboo on Nov 6, 2009 7:28 PM
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Earth to Palast: stop perpetuating the official conspiracy theory.
Visit Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth for a reality check.
Silence is complicity. How many Iraqis and Afghanis have to die before high profile left-winger start to face reality and call attention to an obvious inside job????
Visit Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth for a reality check.
Silence is complicity. How many Iraqis and Afghanis have to die before high profile left-winger start to face reality and call attention to an obvious inside job????
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» Indict Silverstein
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» RE: Fantasy Land
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It may already be too late
Posted by: willymack on Nov 6, 2009 10:40 PM
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For us to pull everything out of the fire. Our little planet is already grossly overpopulated and grossly polluted, and even if we somehow manage to immediately stop doing everything we're doing wrong, a grim future is almost certainly awaiting us.
As bad as all our self-inflicted problems are, DENIAL and FINGER POINTING are worse.
As bad as all our self-inflicted problems are, DENIAL and FINGER POINTING are worse.
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NASA Engineer Proves Controlled Demo
Posted by: JAND on Nov 7, 2009 7:23 AM
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Using evidence from scientists and engineers worldwide, thirty year NASA engineer discusses the controlled demo of all three towers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En6gL1W4avA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En6gL1W4avA
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Nasty cuttroats indeed
Posted by: PorkySwine on Nov 8, 2009 2:55 AM
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This is mainly a good article but for this line: "And, honestly, there's a case to be made that rocketing more Taliban, really nasty cutthroats that they are, is a laudable exercise."
More American exceptionalism? So America is allowed to go around the word rocketing 'nasty cutthroats"? It has plenty at home. When they have all been rocketed god know what percentage of the population), where next? And ho decides who is a nasty cutthroat?
This misses a huge issue. Karzai and fiends who were supported in a rigged vote (a US specialty)is that they are just as 'nasty and cutthroat' as the so-called Taliban.
More American exceptionalism? So America is allowed to go around the word rocketing 'nasty cutthroats"? It has plenty at home. When they have all been rocketed god know what percentage of the population), where next? And ho decides who is a nasty cutthroat?
This misses a huge issue. Karzai and fiends who were supported in a rigged vote (a US specialty)is that they are just as 'nasty and cutthroat' as the so-called Taliban.
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The War Against Afghanistan has turned into an illegal venture
Posted by: Lese Majeste on Nov 8, 2009 7:10 AM
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Congress passed the "Authorization to Use Military Force" to go after Binny Laden and his al CIA Duh posse as revenge for 9/11.
Now that the CIA's buddies in al Qaedae have been either killed or driven out of Afghanistan, what legal fig leaf is OBOMBA using to change the original resolution to fight against the Taliban?
And what in the hell are we doing getting involved in the middle of a civil war?
Oh well, at least these wars keeps Wall Street fat and rolling in the dough and makes Israel VERY happy that we're fighting their 'existential' enemies.
Roads and bridges falling apart? Schools needing to be brought up to 21st Century standards?
Still wish you had that good paying job that got shipped overseas?
Wondering if your savings account will ever start making money?
A family member or friend get killed in Iraq?
You should feel honored and proud to contribute to this endless series of wars against America!!
Now that the CIA's buddies in al Qaedae have been either killed or driven out of Afghanistan, what legal fig leaf is OBOMBA using to change the original resolution to fight against the Taliban?
And what in the hell are we doing getting involved in the middle of a civil war?
Oh well, at least these wars keeps Wall Street fat and rolling in the dough and makes Israel VERY happy that we're fighting their 'existential' enemies.
Roads and bridges falling apart? Schools needing to be brought up to 21st Century standards?
Still wish you had that good paying job that got shipped overseas?
Wondering if your savings account will ever start making money?
A family member or friend get killed in Iraq?
You should feel honored and proud to contribute to this endless series of wars against America!!
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Nike Air Yeezy
Posted by: NET1 on Nov 8, 2009 12:11 PM
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Israel (Mossad) and CIA were primary orchestrators...
Posted by: whole2th on Nov 10, 2009 4:10 PM
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of 9/11. The evidence is overwhelming--and the fingerprints of Israeli "false flags" operations are all over 9/11.
This is the most comprehensive site for naming names and giving details of Israeli/CIA planning and pulling off 9/11--with a little help from their Zionist mainstream media friends....and AlterNet in on the coverup.
Take it from here, AlterNet trolls Encino and GuitarBill.....
This is the most comprehensive site for naming names and giving details of Israeli/CIA planning and pulling off 9/11--with a little help from their Zionist mainstream media friends....and AlterNet in on the coverup.
Take it from here, AlterNet trolls Encino and GuitarBill.....
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Nice perspective
Posted by: echangwi1 on Nov 17, 2009 5:53 AM
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