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U.S. Troops in Afghanistan Are Burning Copies of the Koran? Are We Really That Stupid?
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WARDAK, Afghanistan - Protests are sweeping Afghanistan in the wake of allegations that American forces had burned copies of the Koran during a patrol in a province near Kabul - a charge strongly denied by a United States military spokesperson.
Hundreds of students turned out in two separate demonstrations in the capital, Kabul, on October 25, one staged in front of the parliament building and another began at Kabul University and moved towards the center of town. There were no reports of casualties, although police were forced to fire warning shots in an attempt to control the crowds.
The Kabul disturbances were just the latest in a series of protests that followed rumors of a Koran-burning incident in central-eastern Wardak province. Students and residents in Wardak, Jalalabad, Khost, Logar and Kandahar also held demonstrations after reports began to circulate that US troops had burned Korans in Wardak, which borders Kabul.
The incident that sparked the unrest allegedly occurred on October 15, during a routine patrol by US forces near Khwajagan village. An American tank hit a mine, say villagers, and soldiers began a house-to-house search for insurgents. Not finding anyone, they allegedly burned copies of the Koran they found in one of the houses they had raided.
"The soldiers went to Khwaja Fazlurahman's house," said Khwaja Qandol, a resident of the village. "There were only women there at the time. When they did not find anybody, they took six copies of the Koran from the bookcase and burned them in the center of the room."
According to Qandol, the women complained to the rest of the villagers, who went to the house and saw the burned Korans.
This version of events is strongly disputed by US forces, who hint that the Taliban may have staged the incident to provoke anti-American sentiment among the population.
"There was no incident in which ISAF [International Security Assistance Force] forces burned Korans in Wardak," said Captain Elizabeth Mathias, from the US Forces-Afghanistan public affairs office. "ISAF and Afghan forces conducted an investigation of the incident and determined that the 'enemies of Afghanistan', as reported by local authorities, were responsible for the burning."
But Shahidullah Shahid, spokesman for the governor of Wardak, pointed the finger at local hooligans rather than insurgents.
"Holy Korans have been burned in [Khwajagan]," he told the Institute for War and Peace Reporting. "But it was not the American forces. It was drug addicts from that village, who have since run away."
According to Shahid, the governor's office was launching an investigation into the incident.
"Americans respect our religion and culture," he insisted. "Last week, the US forces provided dozens of copies of the Holy Koran as well as prayer cloths to the local council in Jalrez district."
According to Captain Mathias, a local mullah working with the Afghan National Army unit provided some assistance by addressing the public in Wardak.
"In his comments, the mullah described how the Taliban has used this tactic of burning the Holy Koran then blaming international forces to inflame the public in several provinces,” she said. "[The mullah also] said that these actions disrespect Islam and Afghanistan."
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As a famous character once quoted his mother as having always said, "Stupid is as stupid does," and as a comedian says as he smokes his cee-gar and drinks whiskey, "You can't fix Stupid." What's next? Will Americans attempt to gargle peanut butter?
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Now that Obama the half-white is continuing them, you say he's good, good!
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Posted by: leland61 on Nov 4, 2009 4:45 AM
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It is time to get rid of these barbaric, anti-human, anti-democratic books and stop this utter nonsense.
The entire middle east is a hotbed of superstition, ignorance and hatred most of it based on the un-holy religions that have been fostered and festered there for centuries, like giant malignancies on the face of humanity.
There are no gods by any name. And because there are none - there is no land that is sacred to any of them. There are no people that have any rights to land because their god(s) gave it to them. Just starting with that truth would pave the way for peace in the middle east.
The three versions of monotheism that arose in the middle east have been responsible for more murder and mayhem and genocide than any of the twentieth century monsters you would care to name - Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot etc.
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Stupidity is rampant, not just in the military and not just in America. There are stupid people everywhere doing stupid things. They may not be in the majority, but we have seen some incredible examples where they can even find themselves in leadership positions.
What this article does not make clear is whether the Koran burning happened because of a couple of enlisted men or women doing something incredibly stupid on their own initiative or whether this was directed from above. At least in the first case, it is hard to place the blame on Obama. Even if it was a field commander that caused this to happen, it seems unlikely that Obama was ever consulted in the matter.
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With the excuse of religion and saving the world by turning everybody into carbon copies of "our democracy", we have become a sick society. Our footprints in other countries and in our own are bloody.
Did American soldiers burn the Koran? Don't know about that. Are we that stupid? Yep.
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Of course, being an American, I don't know even whether even literate Afghans keep Korans in their homes. That's the trouble - we don't understand the culture and we don't belong there.
Rather finding another coutry to pick on, we could use the war profiteering money to aid countries that are asking for US aid. Maybe we could build a sea wall in Bangladesh, or dig deep wells and offer family planning supplies for local distribution to drought stricken areas that are not producing food.
Why Afganistan- where empires go to die?
We have gone from the war on Terrror to the endless terrible war.
Let our commander in chief know that you aren't buying it- except, of course, that as taxpayers and debt owe-ers, we are.
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And I do think elements of American armed forces are capable of burning copies of the Qur'an?
As reported here and on other Internet news sites, the All volunteer Force is increasingly becoming a latter day Knights Templar due to increased evangelical activity both within the armed services and deliberate recruitment pitches aimed at young fundamentalist Christian males. The US Marine Corps and Air Forces exhibit decided indications of extreme Christian cultism.
We should also be wary of General Stanley McChrystal's motives in Afghanistan. After all one of his older brothers,Scott an army colonel and chaplain, is an endorsing agent for the Assemblies of God.
They (The Assemblies of God) simply do not require an education as a prerequisite for ordination.[63] So those zealous believers... are able to go out and build their own church and start preaching immediately as long as they meet the other denominational requirements (like knowledge of the Bible, Assemblies of God doctrines, and please don’t be divorced!).[64]
Pentecostals are mission oriented—they want to spread the word. So it’s not surprising the Assemblies have an impressive chaplaincy program presentation at their website.[65] According to the AG spokesman, the church has fielded 475 chaplains: 35 are women and 440 are men. Of these, 237 are in the U.S. Military and 291 are serving institutions such as prisons.
YuricaReport.com
The Assemblies of God is John Ashcroft's church. Comforting thought that.
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Of course, few would have read that far here, because that narrative does not fit neatly in with the need to curse everything that America does.
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Let's urge Obama to live up to the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize. Tell Obama to withdraw troops from Afghanistan -- not send more.
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Get The FUCK OUT!!!!! Can't win it (whatever the fuck it, is) it is a ruse to get more treasure into the hands of Congress's real constituents - The Banksters, who own Wall Street who own the weapons makers who own the congress critters and the beat goes on and on and on and on.....
Be the first one on your block to have YOUR boy come home in a box.... cuz my son aint going, if they try to draft him it will be a trip to Canada, I don't want him to be as fucked up as me (Viet vet) and the poor bastards I have talked to who have spent time "In Country" in "the stan".
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(he)'alleged that in the late 1990s the Uzbek ambassador to the US met with then-Texas Governor George W. Bush to discuss a pipeline for the region, and out of that meeting came agreements that would see Texas-based Enron gain the rights to Uzbekistan's natural gas deposits, while oil company Unocal worked on developing the Trans-Afghanistan pipeline.'
"There are designs of this pipeline, and if you look at the deployment of US forces in Afghanistan, as against other NATO country forces in Afghanistan, you'll see that undoubtedly the US forces are positioned to guard the pipeline route. It's what it's about. It's about money, it's about oil, it's not about democracy."
http://rawstory.com/2009/11/ambassador-cia-people-tortured/
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I hate the war too, but I do not hate the warriors! There are way, WAY too many ready to jump to whatever conclusion it is, that makes our men and women look bad.
American Military Personnel are my brothers and sisters in arms! If they did wrong, then they should pay! If the didn't, then they should not be scapegoated because they are in country!
Sure there have been PLENTY of horrific acts of purely depraved indifference towards the Afghan people, and the Iraqis as well. I'm quick to condemn them too! But this story needs more investigation.
If our troops DID burn copies of the Holy Koran, then all the force of the UCMJ should be brought to bear against them! But first, let's make sure we have the right perpetrators!!!
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As a famous character once quoted his mother as having always said, "Stupid is as stupid does," and as a comedian says as he smokes his cee-gar and drinks whiskey, "You can't fix Stupid." What's next? Will Americans attempt to gargle peanut butter?
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Nov 4, 2009 4:06 AM
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Now that Obama the half-white is continuing them, you say he's good, good!
What sort of sheeple are you???
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Posted by: leland61 on Nov 4, 2009 4:45 AM
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It is time to get rid of these barbaric, anti-human, anti-democratic books and stop this utter nonsense.
The entire middle east is a hotbed of superstition, ignorance and hatred most of it based on the un-holy religions that have been fostered and festered there for centuries, like giant malignancies on the face of humanity.
There are no gods by any name. And because there are none - there is no land that is sacred to any of them. There are no people that have any rights to land because their god(s) gave it to them. Just starting with that truth would pave the way for peace in the middle east.
The three versions of monotheism that arose in the middle east have been responsible for more murder and mayhem and genocide than any of the twentieth century monsters you would care to name - Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot etc.
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Stupidity is rampant, not just in the military and not just in America. There are stupid people everywhere doing stupid things. They may not be in the majority, but we have seen some incredible examples where they can even find themselves in leadership positions.
What this article does not make clear is whether the Koran burning happened because of a couple of enlisted men or women doing something incredibly stupid on their own initiative or whether this was directed from above. At least in the first case, it is hard to place the blame on Obama. Even if it was a field commander that caused this to happen, it seems unlikely that Obama was ever consulted in the matter.
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With the excuse of religion and saving the world by turning everybody into carbon copies of "our democracy", we have become a sick society. Our footprints in other countries and in our own are bloody.
Did American soldiers burn the Koran? Don't know about that. Are we that stupid? Yep.
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Of course, being an American, I don't know even whether even literate Afghans keep Korans in their homes. That's the trouble - we don't understand the culture and we don't belong there.
Rather finding another coutry to pick on, we could use the war profiteering money to aid countries that are asking for US aid. Maybe we could build a sea wall in Bangladesh, or dig deep wells and offer family planning supplies for local distribution to drought stricken areas that are not producing food.
Why Afganistan- where empires go to die?
We have gone from the war on Terrror to the endless terrible war.
Let our commander in chief know that you aren't buying it- except, of course, that as taxpayers and debt owe-ers, we are.
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Posted by: ETSpoon on Nov 4, 2009 6:55 AM
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And I do think elements of American armed forces are capable of burning copies of the Qur'an?
As reported here and on other Internet news sites, the All volunteer Force is increasingly becoming a latter day Knights Templar due to increased evangelical activity both within the armed services and deliberate recruitment pitches aimed at young fundamentalist Christian males. The US Marine Corps and Air Forces exhibit decided indications of extreme Christian cultism.
We should also be wary of General Stanley McChrystal's motives in Afghanistan. After all one of his older brothers,Scott an army colonel and chaplain, is an endorsing agent for the Assemblies of God.
They (The Assemblies of God) simply do not require an education as a prerequisite for ordination.[63] So those zealous believers... are able to go out and build their own church and start preaching immediately as long as they meet the other denominational requirements (like knowledge of the Bible, Assemblies of God doctrines, and please don’t be divorced!).[64]
Pentecostals are mission oriented—they want to spread the word. So it’s not surprising the Assemblies have an impressive chaplaincy program presentation at their website.[65] According to the AG spokesman, the church has fielded 475 chaplains: 35 are women and 440 are men. Of these, 237 are in the U.S. Military and 291 are serving institutions such as prisons.
YuricaReport.com
The Assemblies of God is John Ashcroft's church. Comforting thought that.
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Of course, few would have read that far here, because that narrative does not fit neatly in with the need to curse everything that America does.
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Let's urge Obama to live up to the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize. Tell Obama to withdraw troops from Afghanistan -- not send more.
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Get The FUCK OUT!!!!! Can't win it (whatever the fuck it, is) it is a ruse to get more treasure into the hands of Congress's real constituents - The Banksters, who own Wall Street who own the weapons makers who own the congress critters and the beat goes on and on and on and on.....
Be the first one on your block to have YOUR boy come home in a box.... cuz my son aint going, if they try to draft him it will be a trip to Canada, I don't want him to be as fucked up as me (Viet vet) and the poor bastards I have talked to who have spent time "In Country" in "the stan".
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(he)'alleged that in the late 1990s the Uzbek ambassador to the US met with then-Texas Governor George W. Bush to discuss a pipeline for the region, and out of that meeting came agreements that would see Texas-based Enron gain the rights to Uzbekistan's natural gas deposits, while oil company Unocal worked on developing the Trans-Afghanistan pipeline.'
"There are designs of this pipeline, and if you look at the deployment of US forces in Afghanistan, as against other NATO country forces in Afghanistan, you'll see that undoubtedly the US forces are positioned to guard the pipeline route. It's what it's about. It's about money, it's about oil, it's not about democracy."
http://rawstory.com/2009/11/ambassador-cia-people-tortured/
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Posted by: Stoney 12+1 on Nov 8, 2009 6:19 PM
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I hate the war too, but I do not hate the warriors! There are way, WAY too many ready to jump to whatever conclusion it is, that makes our men and women look bad.
American Military Personnel are my brothers and sisters in arms! If they did wrong, then they should pay! If the didn't, then they should not be scapegoated because they are in country!
Sure there have been PLENTY of horrific acts of purely depraved indifference towards the Afghan people, and the Iraqis as well. I'm quick to condemn them too! But this story needs more investigation.
If our troops DID burn copies of the Holy Koran, then all the force of the UCMJ should be brought to bear against them! But first, let's make sure we have the right perpetrators!!!
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