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U.S. Troops in Afghanistan Are Burning Copies of the Koran? Are We Really That Stupid?

By Abdullah Obaidi, Asia Times. Posted November 4, 2009.


According to villagers, several U.S. soldiers burned Korans when they couldn't locate insurgents they believed had blown up part of their convoy.
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WARDAK, Afghanistan - Protests are sweeping Afghanistan in the wake of allegations that American forces had burned copies of the Koran during a patrol in a province near Kabul - a charge strongly denied by a United States military spokesperson.

Hundreds of students turned out in two separate demonstrations in the capital, Kabul, on October 25, one staged in front of the parliament building and another began at Kabul University and moved towards the center of town. There were no reports of casualties, although police were forced to fire warning shots in an attempt to control the crowds.

The Kabul disturbances were just the latest in a series of protests that followed rumors of a Koran-burning incident in central-eastern Wardak province. Students and residents in Wardak, Jalalabad, Khost, Logar and Kandahar also held demonstrations after reports began to circulate that US troops had burned Korans in Wardak, which borders Kabul.

The incident that sparked the unrest allegedly occurred on October 15, during a routine patrol by US forces near Khwajagan village. An American tank hit a mine, say villagers, and soldiers began a house-to-house search for insurgents. Not finding anyone, they allegedly burned copies of the Koran they found in one of the houses they had raided.

"The soldiers went to Khwaja Fazlurahman's house," said Khwaja Qandol, a resident of the village. "There were only women there at the time. When they did not find anybody, they took six copies of the Koran from the bookcase and burned them in the center of the room."

According to Qandol, the women complained to the rest of the villagers, who went to the house and saw the burned Korans.

This version of events is strongly disputed by US forces, who hint that the Taliban may have staged the incident to provoke anti-American sentiment among the population.

"There was no incident in which ISAF [International Security Assistance Force] forces burned Korans in Wardak," said Captain Elizabeth Mathias, from the US Forces-Afghanistan public affairs office. "ISAF and Afghan forces conducted an investigation of the incident and determined that the 'enemies of Afghanistan', as reported by local authorities, were responsible for the burning."

But Shahidullah Shahid, spokesman for the governor of Wardak, pointed the finger at local hooligans rather than insurgents.

"Holy Korans have been burned in [Khwajagan]," he told the Institute for War and Peace Reporting. "But it was not the American forces. It was drug addicts from that village, who have since run away."

According to Shahid, the governor's office was launching an investigation into the incident.

"Americans respect our religion and culture," he insisted. "Last week, the US forces provided dozens of copies of the Holy Koran as well as prayer cloths to the local council in Jalrez district."

According to Captain Mathias, a local mullah working with the Afghan National Army unit provided some assistance by addressing the public in Wardak.

"In his comments, the mullah described how the Taliban has used this tactic of burning the Holy Koran then blaming international forces to inflame the public in several provinces,” she said. "[The mullah also] said that these actions disrespect Islam and Afghanistan."


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yes
Posted by: Eat Politicians on Nov 4, 2009 12:22 AM   
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the military industrial complex is really that stupid. We are the next USSR. Enjoy the downfall folks.

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YES! A thousand times yes, we are really that stupid...
Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 4, 2009 3:12 AM   
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...the jury is long out on that question...gone home, lived a full life and died. You've elected two Bushies three times, Reagan and Clinton twice each, and you have to ask? You've turned over the money creating powers of the government to a group of private thieves and between wrapping yourself in the flag and murdering people with resources bankers crave, you've sat on your fat backsides and watched Singing with the Stars, wrestling and football, vaccinated your kids with deadly heavy metals, lapped up deadly and damaging fluoride (just read the poison control advice on your kid's toothpaste to see just how friggin' stupid you are)and let Foundations owned and operated by Corporatists control the education of your children...gee, why didn't that work out, 'nice' and 'progressive' as it seemed?

As a famous character once quoted his mother as having always said, "Stupid is as stupid does," and as a comedian says as he smokes his cee-gar and drinks whiskey, "You can't fix Stupid." What's next? Will Americans attempt to gargle peanut butter?

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Just Get The Hell Out!
Posted by: moloko velocet on Nov 4, 2009 3:46 AM   
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Hang the damned Koran on a bent coat-hanger on the wall next to the toilet....right next to the "Wholly Bia-ble"...they're both just bound paper!

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» RE: Just Get The Hell Out! Posted by: moloko velocet
» RE: Yeah... Posted by: Cybershaman
» Ummm... Posted by: moloko velocet
Why are liberals giving Obama a free pass on the illegal wars in Afghanistan & Iraq???
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Nov 4, 2009 4:06 AM   
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When Bush the white committed these crimes, you said he was bad, bad!

Now that Obama the half-white is continuing them, you say he's good, good!

What sort of sheeple are you???

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The bigger the fire the better it is.
Posted by: leland61 on Nov 4, 2009 4:45 AM   
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And while they're at it they can add the Jewish and Christian versions of the Bible for more fuel.

It is time to get rid of these barbaric, anti-human, anti-democratic books and stop this utter nonsense.

The entire middle east is a hotbed of superstition, ignorance and hatred most of it based on the un-holy religions that have been fostered and festered there for centuries, like giant malignancies on the face of humanity.

There are no gods by any name. And because there are none - there is no land that is sacred to any of them. There are no people that have any rights to land because their god(s) gave it to them. Just starting with that truth would pave the way for peace in the middle east.

The three versions of monotheism that arose in the middle east have been responsible for more murder and mayhem and genocide than any of the twentieth century monsters you would care to name - Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot etc.

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Stupidity
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Nov 4, 2009 5:02 AM   
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We probably can never stamp out stupidity, but we can perhaps hope to keep it out of our leadership. Perhaps we can even reduce it from the lower ranks of our military, but this will make recruitment more difficult; standards have been reduced dramatically since Bush Jr. took office in 2001.

Stupidity is rampant, not just in the military and not just in America. There are stupid people everywhere doing stupid things. They may not be in the majority, but we have seen some incredible examples where they can even find themselves in leadership positions.

What this article does not make clear is whether the Koran burning happened because of a couple of enlisted men or women doing something incredibly stupid on their own initiative or whether this was directed from above. At least in the first case, it is hard to place the blame on Obama. Even if it was a field commander that caused this to happen, it seems unlikely that Obama was ever consulted in the matter.

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I believe that individual US soldiers did such a thing in an act...
Posted by: leafsong1 on Nov 4, 2009 5:05 AM   
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...of frustration. Other US soldiers have done worse for the same reasons. I do not believe that the US command in Afghanistan would approve of such an act, and I know that they would deny it in just the way they are denying it whether it were true or not.

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It's like FOX...
Posted by: drosera on Nov 4, 2009 5:07 AM   
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Repeat something untruthful often enough and people will believe...

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Die, SPAMMER scum.
Posted by: GuitarBill on Nov 4, 2009 8:20 AM   
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The Taste of Blood
Posted by: freshlemon on Nov 4, 2009 6:34 AM   
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Let's face it. Americans have come to love the taste of blood and power. Now that our power has declined there are those who think that we can restore it with blood.

With the excuse of religion and saving the world by turning everybody into carbon copies of "our democracy", we have become a sick society. Our footprints in other countries and in our own are bloody.

Did American soldiers burn the Koran? Don't know about that. Are we that stupid? Yep.

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» RE: The Taste of Blood Posted by: Morell
Yes
Posted by: nonbeliever on Nov 4, 2009 6:51 AM   
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It would seem, this just shows that no matter what US does, how much money it spends, how many lives outside of the US and in it that it destroys they will never be as effective, Look what a few idiots can do to discredit and ruin any chance of building a "new Democracy" in the middle east. Therefore I move to strike that idea of democracy building, aid the country with re building and get the F**K out.

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If a drone bombs a dwelling, then the dwelling's Koran will get burned
Posted by: plantland on Nov 4, 2009 6:52 AM   
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But the guys doing intelligence back in Colorado can't see through the rooves, as far as I know.

Of course, being an American, I don't know even whether even literate Afghans keep Korans in their homes. That's the trouble - we don't understand the culture and we don't belong there.

Rather finding another coutry to pick on, we could use the war profiteering money to aid countries that are asking for US aid. Maybe we could build a sea wall in Bangladesh, or dig deep wells and offer family planning supplies for local distribution to drought stricken areas that are not producing food.

Why Afganistan- where empires go to die?

We have gone from the war on Terrror to the endless terrible war.

Let our commander in chief know that you aren't buying it- except, of course, that as taxpayers and debt owe-ers, we are.

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It's time to go
Posted by: ETSpoon on Nov 4, 2009 6:55 AM   
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The Obama administration lost whatever sliver of support I had for its Afghanistan policy after declaring Hamid Karzi the winner of a rigged election following challenger Abdullah Abdullah's withdrawal from this coming Saturday's run off.

And I do think elements of American armed forces are capable of burning copies of the Qur'an?

As reported here and on other Internet news sites, the All volunteer Force is increasingly becoming a latter day Knights Templar due to increased evangelical activity both within the armed services and deliberate recruitment pitches aimed at young fundamentalist Christian males. The US Marine Corps and Air Forces exhibit decided indications of extreme Christian cultism.

We should also be wary of General Stanley McChrystal's motives in Afghanistan. After all one of his older brothers,Scott an army colonel and chaplain, is an endorsing agent for the Assemblies of God.

They (The Assemblies of God) simply do not require an education as a prerequisite for ordination.[63] So those zealous believers... are able to go out and build their own church and start preaching immediately as long as they meet the other denominational requirements (like knowledge of the Bible, Assemblies of God doctrines, and please don’t be divorced!).[64]

Pentecostals are mission oriented—they want to spread the word. So it’s not surprising the Assemblies have an impressive chaplaincy program presentation at their website.[65] According to the AG spokesman, the church has fielded 475 chaplains: 35 are women and 440 are men. Of these, 237 are in the U.S. Military and 291 are serving institutions such as prisons.

YuricaReport.com

The Assemblies of God is John Ashcroft's church. Comforting thought that.

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Smoke Is Toxic
Posted by: melpol on Nov 4, 2009 7:39 AM   
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Only an insane person would burn a copy of the Bible, Koran, or any other religious document unless it was burned to provide heat. The sane way to get rid of an unwanted religious text is by tossing it in the recycling bin. Shipwrecked survivors that want to lightened their raft throw their heavy bibles overboard. The smoke caused by burning any sort of paper is toxic and should never be done.

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Knee Jerk Anti-Americanism
Posted by: EncinoM on Nov 4, 2009 7:46 AM   
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How many ranters above read teh article. The title is missleading as the reports were based on rumors with out actual evidence, and a past history of Taleban fighters using this approach to sow dissent among the afghanis.

Of course, few would have read that far here, because that narrative does not fit neatly in with the need to curse everything that America does.

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Now we are as Ugly as Israel
Posted by: weathered on Nov 4, 2009 7:55 AM   
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if that's even possible.

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Hearts & Minds
Posted by: Aredee on Nov 4, 2009 8:33 AM   
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Great way to win them over.

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Didn't they used to shoot protesters there?
Posted by: joebanana on Nov 4, 2009 8:37 AM   
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And in America, now they can arrest people, detain them indefinitely, torture them, without charging them with anything. They can take all your property, arrest you, without a warrant, or charges. We now have checkpoints along highways, warrant-less wire taps, and surveillance. America has the most people in jail, more than the rest of the world combined. We attack, and occupy foreign countries, and kill hundreds of thousands of their people, including innocent woman, and children. We spray poison all over Columbia, that kills more food crops than coca. We've sprayed so much depleted uranium munitions around Iraq, some parts are uninhabitable. They still won't admit that "gulf war syndrome" is actually radiation poisoning. Botched SWAT raids, kill more people than drugs do. Who are the terrorists here?

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That would be about as stupid as
Posted by: Nuanced on Nov 4, 2009 8:54 AM   
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burning Beatles records.

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Bring our troops home from Afghanistan
Posted by: greenferret on Nov 4, 2009 12:22 PM   
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Soon President Obama will decide whether to send as many as 60,000 additional U.S. soldiers to the war in Afghanistan.

Let's urge Obama to live up to the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize. Tell Obama to withdraw troops from Afghanistan -- not send more.

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Kill em all
Posted by: Hiroak on Nov 4, 2009 12:37 PM   
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and let God, Yahweh, Allah, Zeus, Zoroaster, Baal, "The Great Spirit", Satan, Beelzebub, The Titans, et. al. sort em out!!!!!

Get The FUCK OUT!!!!! Can't win it (whatever the fuck it, is) it is a ruse to get more treasure into the hands of Congress's real constituents - The Banksters, who own Wall Street who own the weapons makers who own the congress critters and the beat goes on and on and on and on.....

Be the first one on your block to have YOUR boy come home in a box.... cuz my son aint going, if they try to draft him it will be a trip to Canada, I don't want him to be as fucked up as me (Viet vet) and the poor bastards I have talked to who have spent time "In Country" in "the stan".

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» RE: Kill em all Posted by: shd1230
Taking military pressure off gihadists...
Posted by: reg373 on Nov 4, 2009 3:22 PM   
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in their home regions is not a good idea. Neither is a Vietnam-style escalation to prop up a corrupt regime. The only answer left is for NATO to be the harasser of the Taliban element, not the occupier of Afghanistan -- saw a cool site; Balkingpoints ; awesome satellite view of earth

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former UK ambassador tells why it's OK to burn Afgh. books
Posted by: Higher Reptile on Nov 4, 2009 3:40 PM   
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this statement from former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan Craig Murray shed's further light on America's Afghan power grab:

(he)'alleged that in the late 1990s the Uzbek ambassador to the US met with then-Texas Governor George W. Bush to discuss a pipeline for the region, and out of that meeting came agreements that would see Texas-based Enron gain the rights to Uzbekistan's natural gas deposits, while oil company Unocal worked on developing the Trans-Afghanistan pipeline.'

"There are designs of this pipeline, and if you look at the deployment of US forces in Afghanistan, as against other NATO country forces in Afghanistan, you'll see that undoubtedly the US forces are positioned to guard the pipeline route. It's what it's about. It's about money, it's about oil, it's not about democracy."

http://rawstory.com/2009/11/ambassador-cia-people-tortured/

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Burning books. Right.
Posted by: themotie on Nov 6, 2009 3:07 AM   
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Orwell wouldn't even be amused.

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THIS IS BS
Posted by: shd1230 on Nov 6, 2009 9:55 AM   
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BURNING THE KORAN DOES NOT SOUND LIKE SOMETHING THAT OUR MILITARY PERSONNEL WOULD THINK OF OR HAVE TIME TO DO==THESE PEOPLE ARE FIGHTING A WAR. OF COURSE IT IS ANOTHER USELESS UNWINNABLE WAR THAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN OUT OF LONG AGO IF THE BUSHBOY HADN'T FOCUSED ON IRAQ INSTEAD. THERE IS NO REASON TO CONTINUE FIGHTING IN THIS PART OF THE WORLD. THE PEOPLE THERE WILL CONTINUE KILLING EACH OTHER UNTIL ONLY ONE IS STANDING, AT WHICH TIME HE WILL KILL HIMSELF. IT IS TO BE HOPED THAT THIS WILL OCCUR BEFORE HE HAS A CHANCE TO REPRODUCE.

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Uh, Wait a minute folks!
Posted by: Stoney 12+1 on Nov 8, 2009 6:19 PM   
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I have seen One, count 'em ONE accusation that it was US troops that burned the Holy Korans, yet I have seen many that they did not! Most of the evidence of their innocence, came from the Afghans themselves!

I hate the war too, but I do not hate the warriors! There are way, WAY too many ready to jump to whatever conclusion it is, that makes our men and women look bad.

American Military Personnel are my brothers and sisters in arms! If they did wrong, then they should pay! If the didn't, then they should not be scapegoated because they are in country!

Sure there have been PLENTY of horrific acts of purely depraved indifference towards the Afghan people, and the Iraqis as well. I'm quick to condemn them too! But this story needs more investigation.

If our troops DID burn copies of the Holy Koran, then all the force of the UCMJ should be brought to bear against them! But first, let's make sure we have the right perpetrators!!!

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