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There's No Hope for Afghanistan If Women Aren't Involved
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Women are made for homes or graves. -- Afghan saying
Gen. Stanley McChrystal says he needs more American troops to salvage something like winning in Afghanistan and restore the country to "normal life." Influential senators want to increase spending to train more soldiers for the Afghan National Army and Police. The Feminist Majority recently backed off a call for more troops, but it continues to warn against U.S. withdrawal as an abandonment of Afghan women and girls. Nearly everyone assumes troops bring greater security; and whether your touchstone is military victory, national interest or the welfare of women and girls, "security" seems a good thing.
I confess that I agonize over competing proposals now commanding President Obama's attention because I've spent years in Afghanistan working with women, and I'm on their side. When the Feminist Majority argues that withdrawing American forces from Afghanistan will return the Taliban to power and women to house arrest, I see in my mind's eye the faces of women I know and care about. Yet an unsentimental look at the record reveals that for all the fine talk of women's rights since the U.S. invasion, equal rights for Afghan women have been illusory all along, a polite feel-good fiction that helped to sell the American enterprise at home and cloak in respectability the misbegotten government we installed in Kabul. That it is a fiction is borne out by recent developments in Afghanistan -- President Karzai's approving a new family law worthy of the Taliban, and American acquiescence in Karzai's new law and, initially, his theft of the presidential election -- and by the systematic intimidation, murder or exile of one Afghan woman after another who behaves as if her rights were real and worth fighting for.
Last summer in Kabul, where "security" already suffocates anything remotely suggesting normal life, I asked an Afghan colleague at an international NGO if she was ever afraid. I had learned of threatening phone calls and night letters posted on the gates of the compound, targeting Afghan women who work within. Three of our colleagues in another city had been kidnapped by the militia of a warlord, formerly a member of the Karzai government, and at the time, as we learned after their release, were being beaten, tortured and threatened with death if they continued to work.
"Fear?" my colleague said. "Yes. We live with fear. In our work here with women we are always under threat. Personally, I work every day in fear, hoping to return safely at the end of the day to my home. To my child and my husband."
"And the future?" I said. "What do you worry about?"
"I think about the upcoming election," she said. "I fear that nothing will change. I fear that everything will stay the same."
Then Karzai gazetted the Shiite Personal Status Law, and it was suddenly clear that even as we were hoping for the best, everything had actually grown much worse for women.
Why is this important? At this critical moment, as Obama tries to weigh options against our national security interests, his advisers can't be bothered with -- as one U.S. military officer put it to me -- "the trivial fate of women." As for some hypothetical moral duty to protect the women of Afghanistan -- that's off the table. Yet it is precisely that dismissive attitude, shared by Afghan and many American men alike, that may have put America's whole Afghan enterprise wrong in the first place. Early on, Kofi Annan, then United Nations secretary general, noted that the condition of Afghan women was "an affront to all standards of dignity, equality and humanity."
Annan took the position, set forth in 2000 in the landmark UN Security Council Resolution 1325, that real conflict resolution, reconstruction and lasting peace cannot be achieved without the full participation of women every step of the way. Karzai gave lip service to the idea, saying in 2002, "We are determined to work to improve the lot of women after all their suffering under the narrow-minded and oppressive rule of the Taliban." But he has done no such thing. And the die had already been cast: of the twenty-three Afghan notables invited to take part in the Bonn Conference in December 2001, only two were women. Among ministers appointed to the new Karzai government, there were only two; one, the minister for women's affairs, was warned not to do "too much."
The Bonn agreement expressed "appreciation to the Afghan mujahidin who...have defended the independence, territorial integrity and national unity of the country and have played a major role in the struggle against terrorism and oppression, and whose sacrifice has now made them both heroes of jihad and champions of peace, stability and reconstruction of their beloved homeland, Afghanistan." On the other hand, their American- and Saudi-sponsored "sacrifice" had also made many of them war criminals in the eyes of their countrymen. Most Afghans surveyed between 2002 and 2004 by the Afghan Independent Human Rights Commission thought the leaders of the mujahedeen were war criminals who should be brought to justice (75 percent) and removed from public office (90 percent). The mujahedeen, after all, were Islamist extremists just like the Taliban, though less disciplined than the Taliban, who had risen up to curb the violent excesses of the mujahedeen and then imposed excesses of their own. That's the part American officials seem unwilling to admit: that the mujahedeen warlords of the Karzai government and the oppressive Taliban are brothers under the skin. From the point of view of women today, America's friends and America's enemies in Afghanistan are the same kind of guys.
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Posted by: gba273 on Oct 28, 2009 4:48 PM
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The Karzai administration has been a joke from its inception, and continues to make fools of the U.S. government.
If the emancipation and well being of Afghani women AND young girls is not a U.S. priority,
we should remove our troops from harms way.
We are accomplishing nothing.
There is so much about this deeply ingrained culture that we, as a nation, don't understand,
but these women cannot stand up for themselves unassisted. If we're not going to be of help
to them, we should get out.
Bin Laden has...
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Posted by: apathetic consumer zombie on Oct 29, 2009 6:45 AM
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America can't be the world's police force. We can work with the global community to try to make things better, but imposing what are seen as foreign values at the barrel of a gun will only serve to create more resentment among the people of Afghanistan.
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Oct 29, 2009 7:01 AM
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While American and western society refuses to understand that "equality between men & women" as defined by Afghan law is not REAL equality, we have only to look at ourselves (think: Lilly Leadbetter), to recognize that we too have far to go! And though women in western society are "freer", until women and girls all over the world are really treated equally under the law all around the world we are all trapped in patriarchal blessing!
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Posted by: leafsong1 on Oct 29, 2009 7:17 AM
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Oct 29, 2009 7:49 AM
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I don't see the 'Feminist Majority' crowd beating down the doors at the recruitment centers to volunteer for Afghanistan to fight for women's rights--no just poor girls victimized in America's War Pig dystopia who don't have the luxury to spend their youth at some fashionable university or sucking down wine and gobbling cheese while people bleed for their fashionable cause celebre.
TAKE YOUR WAR AND SHOVE IT! DOWN WITH THE DEMOPUBICAN REGIME AND THE FILTHY USURERS FOR WHICH IT STANDS!
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Oct 29, 2009 9:35 AM
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It is ridiculous to believe that without the financial aspects, womans equality can become a reality in this region. Indoctrination to such an opposing social concept will require economic realities and pressures on men. If they wish to participate in an economy they must deal with women- as labor, consumer and merchant.
Instead of offering money to the Taliban members we should be offering funds to their Wives and daughters. Perhaps some of these 'titans of industry', these hard line 'Capitalists', should be working their magic by tapping this under served market. If The Market is not only the solution to underdeveloped economies, but the social cataslyst to equality for All- then they should be the 'additional Troops' we need to send in to Afghanistan.
We have been told these 'Titans' are necessary to pull our economy out of the ditch. That they are the key to our economic recovery and outragous compensation is warranted. If they possess such talent for building and maintaining an economically viable country as the US, and capable of instilling a Democratic ideology, why are they not being Drafted or volunteering?
The modern day 'entrepenuers' predecesors did that very thing- built a global superpower out of an agriculturally based society who had faced civil war.
Don't send more military Troops to Afghanistan- send CEO's and Wall Streeters.
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Posted by: eagleeye on Oct 29, 2009 9:38 AM
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You may have lived in Afghanistan for 9 years, but you must have lived behind a wall in a USAID enclave. I know all about those enclaves.
Why is it okay to oppress women in Saudi Arabia and not in Afghanistan? I lived in Saudi Arabia and not in an enclave. I worked and taught for the Saudis. They belong to us. We own the royal family. They can do whatever they what to their woman. It's okay because they are our most honored ally. The ones who were suppose to have attack the World Trade Center. An inside job.
Compared to the Saudi woman the Afghani woman have enormous power.
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Posted by: DCBeltway on Oct 29, 2009 10:55 AM
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Posted by: willymack on Oct 29, 2009 1:31 PM
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2. Since we're in their country illegally, and the people want us OUT of there, whatever happens with them is NONE OF OUR GODDDAM BUSINESS.
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Posted by: Defenestrator on Oct 29, 2009 4:11 PM
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The Afghan Women's Mission
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Posted by: mkdelta69 on Oct 30, 2009 2:00 PM
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It's like planning on colonizing pluto when you can't even colonize the moon. Your ass backwards.
YOU MUST CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OUR OBVIOUS BEYOND THE AVERAGE IGNORANT AMERICAN COVERT FOREIGN POLICY FOR A WOMANS LIFE TO BECOME BETTER.
RIGHT NOW THEY ARE JUST LIKE THE MEN. DRONE TARGETS.
CHANGE THE EMPIRE POLICY AND THE WOMANS RIGHTS WILL FOLLOW. CRY ABOUT WOMANS RIGHTS NOW AND YOU ARE JUST PISSING IN THE WIND.
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Posted by: gilhowcan on Oct 30, 2009 4:01 PM
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Posted by: gba273 on Oct 28, 2009 4:48 PM
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The Karzai administration has been a joke from its inception, and continues to make fools of the U.S. government.
If the emancipation and well being of Afghani women AND young girls is not a U.S. priority,
we should remove our troops from harms way.
We are accomplishing nothing.
There is so much about this deeply ingrained culture that we, as a nation, don't understand,
but these women cannot stand up for themselves unassisted. If we're not going to be of help
to them, we should get out.
Bin Laden has...
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Posted by: apathetic consumer zombie on Oct 29, 2009 6:45 AM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
America can't be the world's police force. We can work with the global community to try to make things better, but imposing what are seen as foreign values at the barrel of a gun will only serve to create more resentment among the people of Afghanistan.
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Oct 29, 2009 7:01 AM
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While American and western society refuses to understand that "equality between men & women" as defined by Afghan law is not REAL equality, we have only to look at ourselves (think: Lilly Leadbetter), to recognize that we too have far to go! And though women in western society are "freer", until women and girls all over the world are really treated equally under the law all around the world we are all trapped in patriarchal blessing!
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Posted by: leafsong1 on Oct 29, 2009 7:17 AM
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Oct 29, 2009 7:49 AM
Current rating: 3 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I don't see the 'Feminist Majority' crowd beating down the doors at the recruitment centers to volunteer for Afghanistan to fight for women's rights--no just poor girls victimized in America's War Pig dystopia who don't have the luxury to spend their youth at some fashionable university or sucking down wine and gobbling cheese while people bleed for their fashionable cause celebre.
TAKE YOUR WAR AND SHOVE IT! DOWN WITH THE DEMOPUBICAN REGIME AND THE FILTHY USURERS FOR WHICH IT STANDS!
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Oct 29, 2009 9:35 AM
Current rating: 3 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It is ridiculous to believe that without the financial aspects, womans equality can become a reality in this region. Indoctrination to such an opposing social concept will require economic realities and pressures on men. If they wish to participate in an economy they must deal with women- as labor, consumer and merchant.
Instead of offering money to the Taliban members we should be offering funds to their Wives and daughters. Perhaps some of these 'titans of industry', these hard line 'Capitalists', should be working their magic by tapping this under served market. If The Market is not only the solution to underdeveloped economies, but the social cataslyst to equality for All- then they should be the 'additional Troops' we need to send in to Afghanistan.
We have been told these 'Titans' are necessary to pull our economy out of the ditch. That they are the key to our economic recovery and outragous compensation is warranted. If they possess such talent for building and maintaining an economically viable country as the US, and capable of instilling a Democratic ideology, why are they not being Drafted or volunteering?
The modern day 'entrepenuers' predecesors did that very thing- built a global superpower out of an agriculturally based society who had faced civil war.
Don't send more military Troops to Afghanistan- send CEO's and Wall Streeters.
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Posted by: eagleeye on Oct 29, 2009 9:38 AM
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You may have lived in Afghanistan for 9 years, but you must have lived behind a wall in a USAID enclave. I know all about those enclaves.
Why is it okay to oppress women in Saudi Arabia and not in Afghanistan? I lived in Saudi Arabia and not in an enclave. I worked and taught for the Saudis. They belong to us. We own the royal family. They can do whatever they what to their woman. It's okay because they are our most honored ally. The ones who were suppose to have attack the World Trade Center. An inside job.
Compared to the Saudi woman the Afghani woman have enormous power.
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Posted by: DCBeltway on Oct 29, 2009 10:55 AM
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Posted by: willymack on Oct 29, 2009 1:31 PM
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2. Since we're in their country illegally, and the people want us OUT of there, whatever happens with them is NONE OF OUR GODDDAM BUSINESS.
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Posted by: Defenestrator on Oct 29, 2009 4:11 PM
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Posted by: mkdelta69 on Oct 30, 2009 2:00 PM
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It's like planning on colonizing pluto when you can't even colonize the moon. Your ass backwards.
YOU MUST CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OUR OBVIOUS BEYOND THE AVERAGE IGNORANT AMERICAN COVERT FOREIGN POLICY FOR A WOMANS LIFE TO BECOME BETTER.
RIGHT NOW THEY ARE JUST LIKE THE MEN. DRONE TARGETS.
CHANGE THE EMPIRE POLICY AND THE WOMANS RIGHTS WILL FOLLOW. CRY ABOUT WOMANS RIGHTS NOW AND YOU ARE JUST PISSING IN THE WIND.
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