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Why Won't Obama Send Condolence Letters to the Parents of Soldiers Who Have Committed Suicide?

The bereaved parents of Chancellor Keesling, a US soldier who took his own life in Iraq, wonder why the death of their son is treated differently than other mortalities.
October 28, 2009  |  
 
 
 
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The following is a transcript of an interview conducted by Democracy Now! -- it has been edited for length and clarity.

Background: Gregg and Jannett Keesling are the parents of Chancellor Keesling, a US soldier who took his own life on June 19th of this year. Chancellor was on his second tour of duty in Iraq. During his first deployment, he suffered mental health issues so severe he was placed on suicide watch. After getting back to the United States, Chancellor had turned down a bonus offer to return to Iraq in the hopes he wouldn’t be redeployed. But he was called back in May. One month later, he took his own life. Since Chancellor’s death, Gregg and Jannett Keesling have yet to receive a letter of condolence from President Obama. After making inquiries, they discovered that this was not because of an oversight. Instead, it’s because of a longstanding US policy to deny presidential condolence letters to the families of soldiers who take their own lives.

Goodman: Since Chancellor’s death, Gregg and Jannett Keesling have yet to receive a letter of condolence from President Obama. After making inquiries, they discovered this was not because of an oversight. Instead, it’s because of a longstanding US policy to deny presidential condolence letters to the families of soldiers who have committed suicide.

Gregg and Jannett Keesling join us now from Indianapolis, where they live. This is the first time they’re sharing their story in a national broadcast.

We welcome you both to Democracy Now! Gregg, let me go first to Jannett. Tell us about your son. Tell us about Chancellor. Tell us why he joined the military, his first tour of duty, and then ultimately deciding to go back, or being called back.

 

Jannett Keesling: Chancellor recruited right out of high school, and this was something he was passionate about, joining the military. I wanted him to go to college, but he said that he wanted to be a soldier. So he was eighteen years old when he joined the Army. He left home in October for his basic training and then was stationed in Fort Sill, Oklahoma.

He did very well as a young soldier, acclimated, made friends quickly, enjoyed his training. And then came his first deployment, which we went to visit him. He took off to Iraq, did fairly well, until he had a little bit of hitches and—but served his time. We were always told that he was an absolutely great soldier, very giving, great personality, punctuality. So we were quite proud of him.

Gregg Keesling:Yes. Yes, we were very proud of his service to our country. We had, you know, doubts about him joining, really great doubts. When the war broke out in 2003, when many of us were trying to retreat, he—Chancy decided, “This is my duty.” In fact, he said to his sister, “We must have a military, and somebody’s got to be in it.” And I decided I could support that. But once he did his first tour—and he was married at the time, and his marriage did not go very well. His marriage broke up during that deployment. And during the second deployment, he also had problems again. And that’s what ultimately happened.

 

Goodman: Now, explain the part where he was offered a bonus to return, but decided not to, because he didn’t want to go back to Iraq.

 

Gregg Keesling:Well, when you leave the enlisted Army and you’re moving to the Reserves—and I think they needed soldiers, so they were offering soldiers a bonus to be able to return back to Iraq at an earlier day. And so, he knew he had some mental health issues. He was undergoing treatment at the VA. And he said that—he turned down this bonus. It prevented them from deploying him for two years. And he felt he would not get deployed. In fact, we sat down as a family, and we said, you know, “President Obama is going to be reelected, and President Obama will end this war, and you won’t have to go.”

But when he did get called up, we sat down, and we talked all the different options. You know, we’re dual citizens, and we actually talked about Chancy going to Jamaica to stay there. But he looked at us and said, you know, “Dad, I’m an American, too. I’m a soldier. This is my duty. I can handle it. I will go.” And sadly, for us as a family, it was not the right decision.

And we have learned that during his enlisted time, the mental health issues that he faced never reached his reserve unit. There is actually a law that prevents mental health issues that occur during your enlisted time from passing over to the Reserves. And it’s a law that comes from, you know, our Vietnam days, when reservists were not used in war the way we’ve used them this time. And I think that’s one of the messages we hope gets out, that we look at how mental health issues get transferred to the Guard and the Reserve units as these soldiers are deployed over and over and over again.


Amy Goodman is the host of the nationally syndicated radio news program, Democracy Now!
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No one can prepare a child/man for killing his own species.
Posted by: Nitestallion on Oct 28, 2009 1:40 AM   
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I am a Veteran of the Nam Era. I was forced to join. Ok, so drop that but keep it in mind! It is my firm conviction that no human should suffer combat. All this horse crap about “There will always be wars and roomers of wars” is a load of hooey.

How the hell would anyone know that have they tried? Now be fornicating honest here damnit, since when do we have to continue on the same bloody path that drew us to this pass?

Presidents will not send condolences to suicide victims not because of tradition, but because that would be admitting a wrong doing on the part of this nation! First we get an anal sphincter in the Oval Office that all but shreds the Constitution and enters a war of vengeance. Then we get a man who has an agenda that was predictable but no one claims they saw coming!

Just because the former nitwit is not in office doesn’t mean he can’t be impeached for Treason. And the same is true of the present dweeb who just starts moving all the troops to Afghanistan. Impeach that sucker! I stopped being a democrat when they didn’t call for impeachment of bush in 2001 but I still voted democratic ticket for the last election, I am a dimwit!

Next election if there is a Confederate running I am going to vote for him and if not I will write in the name of anyone of them that will demonstrate fealty to the American People. Note I said PEOPLE that means any race before you even start putting words in my mouth. Enough from me!

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gilhowcan
Posted by: gilhowcan on Oct 28, 2009 2:04 AM   
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This is shameful! It's just as bad as Bush/Cheney refusing to attend the reception of any dead bodies being returned from Iraq/Afghanistan. Obama and Biden absolutely must show immensely more distinctly that they are different than Bush/Cheney. It's understandable, given so many killings and deaths, that they cannot attend every return. In this useless "war," that's all they'd be doing. But to not even send condolences because of suicide or any other reason, totally, thoroughly despicable and inexcusable. The conditions in a person that lead one to suicide are caused by or exacerbated by warfare. Suicides are victims just as much as those shot down or blown up any other explosive devices. The refusal to send condolences to the families of suicide victims is the same as health insurance companies defining it a uncovered "pre-existing conditions." That's rot! Is Obama going to try to be "bi-partisan" in this, too? And is the end result going to be more failure and near failure to obtain what we elected him for?

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Refugee American in Asia
Posted by: zaxxon on Oct 28, 2009 4:17 AM   
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Some of this might be traced back to Cindy Sheehan, when she parked her herself in front of the Texas numbskull's Crawford ranch. Remember Cindy? She's the gutsy American mother who lost her son to Neocom folly.
At any rate, "mission Accomplished" Bush avoided her and sped away in an entourage of secret service SUVs.
Now a real American president would have invited her in for some solace and Texas hospitality - but not the Texas war hero - the craven slug that he is.

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Chancellor Keesling
Posted by: Angie on Oct 28, 2009 4:59 AM   
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Maybe his legacy should be to help other soldiers in similar positions by changing the law that prevents mental health information from passing from the enlisted to the Reserve.
I can understand how someone who is trained and expected to be tough might not volunteer that information themselves.
I haven't read my Bible lately, but I don't think it supports suicide. The White House might give the impression that suicide is acceptable if letters of condolence are sent in those situations. Nonetheless, it definitely sounds like Chancellor's military service was worthy of Presidential commendation.

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Why Won't Obama...?
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Oct 28, 2009 5:51 AM   
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To ask this question is to know the answer. The problem is that suicide is taboo in our culture and in most others. The major religions tell us that anyone who commits suicide will suffer the tortures of hell. Although our government is supposed to be secular, it is persuaded to follow this same attitude which stems from ancient cultures and traditions.

It is instructive, however, to consider how we regard euthanasia as humane, particularly when it is applied to animals. An animal that is in pain we will put to death and congratulate ourselves on the sensible way we handled the matter. In contrast, a human who is in intense pain we allow to suffer. If someone in severe mental anguish chooses to end his life we may even punish their loved ones.

Our system of morality is sometimes hard to comprehend.

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EJames
Posted by: Ejames on Oct 28, 2009 5:59 AM   
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A psychiatrist concerned all my career with suicide prevention--and war-prevention--I was shocked to hear Amy Goodman's report. Thanks for reproducing it here. I wonder what the American Psychiatric Assn. will do, and if the American Association of Suicidology will weigh in. A brief report has just been issued by the Center on Conscience and War
www.conteronconscience.org
E J Lieberman

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What's the point in sending condolence letters anyway?
Posted by: LStinson1988 on Oct 28, 2009 6:36 AM   
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1. It's a waste of paper and hence trees.

2. It doesn't stop him from sending more soldiers into harm's way.

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To answer your question, try and craft such a letter.
Posted by: franklyspanking on Oct 28, 2009 6:37 AM   
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It's rather easy for a "path of least resistance" politician like Bush/Obama to wax (or have their intern wax) proud and regretful of the loss of someone killed in the line of duty.

Offer us a 'presidential' letter regarding a citizen soldier's suicide, and you run into linguistic and rhetorical entanglements.

I'm not saying that ignoring folks who decided to kill themselves is the right thing to do, I'm just saying that, like always, the idiots we Americans elect to office either 1) don't give enough of a damn to make an effort, or 2) recognize their incompetence at it, or 3) aren't really interested in what the idiot electorate has to say on the issue*.

Next time, perhaps we'll consider choosing a thoughtful, contemplative, engaged citizen as a President, rather than supporting perpetual duhduhtude by your average politician.

*I mean c'mon, better than 90% of the country voted for McSame/Obushma, and better than 2/3 are self-identified democrats and republican status-quo'ers.

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Good soldiers don't serve in Iraq
Posted by: leafsong1 on Oct 28, 2009 7:15 AM   
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I don't see why we should have any sympathy for what happens to those who do.

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STOP ENLISTING
Posted by: smf1403 on Oct 28, 2009 7:43 AM   
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“This is my duty.” In fact, he said to his sister, “We must have a military, and somebody’s got to be in it.”

I do not agree that we "must have a military".

Stop the insanity now. War benefits the profiteers, never the people. It's intent is to invade, control and profit off other country's resources by our government.

I am truly sorry that anyone suffers as a result of war. That includes the individuals that enlist and the people in other countries that they kill and maim and destroy their homes.

A Peace Department, not a War Department is needed in our government. This is one very big reason that I support Dennis Kucinich for President.

With free public college education and public works programs, green jobs, end to NAFTA, as Dennis Kucinich will enact as President, young men and women would not feel the pressure to enlist in the military.

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What a despicable and heartless policy - Where's Michelle Obama on this?
Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale on Oct 28, 2009 8:24 AM   
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She's been taking a lot of heat lately for hula-hooping and appearing on Leno. The people that come to her defense, however, always point to how she reaches out to military families and works with them. Well, you know what? Chancellor Keesling's parents are feeling just as much grief as any other parents of deceased soldiers, regardless of how their son died in Iraq. He was on his second tour of duty over there! For God's sakes, show some respect to the service he DID provide and don't rub salt in his parents' wounds by not sending a condolence letter.

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They Aren't Protecting Us from Anything.
Posted by: aussidawg on Oct 28, 2009 9:44 AM   
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President Obama:"But as we protect America, our men and women in uniform must always be treated as what they are: America’s most precious resource."

This is the lie that is parrotted day in and day out by out MSM and locan news stations. We are not in Iraq or Afganistan to "protect America", we are there to protect corporate interests and of course to make our ex president Bu$h a "war time president" so he may look better in the history books.

I have the utmost respect for those who went to Iraq believeing they were coming to the defense of our country. But the truth is they were lied to. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Afganistan offered to give up Osama Bin Laden if we could provide enough proof that he was involved with 9/11.

My heart grieves for this family. Their son should receive the same honor from the president that any others who have died as a result of this war did. But let's not kid ourselves. This soldier didn't have to be in Iraq in the first place, and he, like all of the others who have died in these wars have been sacrificed to a lie. As such, those families should have the closure of seeing those who created and perpetuated that lie be punished for both treason and war crimes.

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I believe
Posted by: Archie1954 on Oct 28, 2009 10:02 AM   
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that the President does not want to advertise the number of suicides that occur within the military every year. As well he may think that such suicides are a poor personal choice that shouldn't be acknowledged. Does he consider that the parents and family left behind would be embarrassed by such acknowledgement? Regardless, I feel that the only bad choice this young man made was joining up in the first place. After that he had no further choice. He did what he was told and unfortunately his orders made the the tragedy of his death inevitable for him. He was not responsible the military was.

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Because if he recognized a suicide the same way he does a combat death, then
Posted by: Longdream on Oct 28, 2009 12:07 PM   
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the families of the dead in combat would get on him?

Because if he'd sent a condolence letter to a suicide, someone on AlterNet, and other cheap-shot artists in the media would bitch that he was glorifying suicide?

Because he may as well please himself because he can't win?

When you all complain that Republicans smear Obama with everything they've got, and have no respect for the office of the Presidency, remember that he doesn't need Republicans to undermine his work: he's got YOU to whine about trivia.

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misleading headline
Posted by: Nuanced on Oct 28, 2009 12:38 PM   
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it should have read "why is it US policy" instead of "why won't Obama." This is AlterNet not Fox.

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No One Should Ever Commit Suicide Unless They Have Been in Unbearable Pain For Months
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Oct 28, 2009 6:08 PM   
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Even then they shouldn't - Its a Cop Out...

If You Leave It For a Bit Longer...

The Wounds In Your Body and Soul Will Naturally Heal...and The Pain Won't be such a Problem any more and one day you will notice The Pain Is Gone...

And Then You Can Rebuild Your Life...

And If You Were a Soldier and Sufferred So Much For What Happenned....

For What Was Done To You - and What You Did To The "Enemy"

You Think The Enemy Can Never Forgive You...

But You Are Wrong

Human Beings Have Almost Infinite Capacity for Love and Forgiveness

And If You Survive The Terror of Wanting To Kill Yourself...

You Can Write Everything Down

Being Completely HONEST

Explain In Detail Why You Really Wanted and Enjoyed Killing The Evil Enemy...

And then the slow realisation that you were a soldier in a foreign land, and that these people had never done anything to harm you - they were just trying to defend their homes and families and the land that they lived in...

So it all comes over you - how evil you have been and that there is no way back...

Yes there is a Way Back

You Make restitution For The Destruction You Have Caused. You Apologise In The Most Human Way You Can - and Do The Best You Can To Give Back To The Survivors of Who's Friends You Have Mutilated and Killed

And You Write It All Down

And You Ask Questions Of Your Leaders

Why Did You Send Me To Kill Innocent People?

Why Why Why Why Why???????????

And Demand an Answer!!!!!!!!!

And If They Won't Give You an Answer

You are a Soldier Again

You Have Survived.

You Know Where The Real Evil Is, And You Will Spend The Rest Of Your Life Trying To Peacefully Defeat It

All these things that I've done LIVE at Glastonbury 2007

Tony

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Bwana
Posted by: Bwana on Oct 29, 2009 4:33 PM   
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The country has come a long way in how suicide is dealt with - yet Presidential policy is lagging. If Keesling had died of a heart attack, or had been struck by lightening while in Camp Striker does the policy allow for the President to send those families some acknowledgement for thier loss?

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gilhowcan
Posted by: gilhowcan on Oct 30, 2009 4:53 PM   
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This is one of the most disgraceful continuations of a disgraceful practice in our politics and government. A number of considerations are important.

Mental/emotional problems can exist before entering the military and be causeed by military life, especially warfare.


Many judges, in lieu of jail/prison sentences have often allowed those convicted of crimes the alternative of military enlistment. It's a way of getting them out of society. It's ignorant. It's unjust.

Military recruiters offer bonuses to potential recruits, and they are not too fussy about the bodies they can collect. The performance record of recruiters is embellished by the number of recruits they succeed in collecting.

Military personnel with mental/emotional problems, including the relatively discovered and admitted PTSD, are more sensitive to the to the pressures of military life and we see they frequently break under those pressures.

The victims of mental/emotional problems who are eventually, finally driven to suicide in warfare are victims of that warfare just as certainly as any who are blown to bits by the machinery of war, by those who are physically wounded, and any others who are wounded with PTSD or any other mental/emotional disorders.

We choose warfare. We recruit warriors. We command them. The President is their Commander-in-Chief. It is a disgrace not to recognize suicides as victims of war just as much as those who have their heads or limbs blown off, just as much as those who become mentally/emotionally disturbed because of the experience of the military and warfare.

It is to be hoped that President Obama will become an enlightened Commander-in-Chief and extend equal attention to the suicide victims of our military and our warfare. Obviously, no president has the time to greet every return victim of war, but the prejudice of withholding equal attention to suicide victims remains one of the most scandalous practices of our government.

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No one can prepare a child/man for killing his own species.
Posted by: Nitestallion on Oct 28, 2009 1:40 AM   
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I am a Veteran of the Nam Era. I was forced to join. Ok, so drop that but keep it in mind! It is my firm conviction that no human should suffer combat. All this horse crap about “There will always be wars and roomers of wars” is a load of hooey.

How the hell would anyone know that have they tried? Now be fornicating honest here damnit, since when do we have to continue on the same bloody path that drew us to this pass?

Presidents will not send condolences to suicide victims not because of tradition, but because that would be admitting a wrong doing on the part of this nation! First we get an anal sphincter in the Oval Office that all but shreds the Constitution and enters a war of vengeance. Then we get a man who has an agenda that was predictable but no one claims they saw coming!

Just because the former nitwit is not in office doesn’t mean he can’t be impeached for Treason. And the same is true of the present dweeb who just starts moving all the troops to Afghanistan. Impeach that sucker! I stopped being a democrat when they didn’t call for impeachment of bush in 2001 but I still voted democratic ticket for the last election, I am a dimwit!

Next election if there is a Confederate running I am going to vote for him and if not I will write in the name of anyone of them that will demonstrate fealty to the American People. Note I said PEOPLE that means any race before you even start putting words in my mouth. Enough from me!

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gilhowcan
Posted by: gilhowcan on Oct 28, 2009 2:04 AM   
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This is shameful! It's just as bad as Bush/Cheney refusing to attend the reception of any dead bodies being returned from Iraq/Afghanistan. Obama and Biden absolutely must show immensely more distinctly that they are different than Bush/Cheney. It's understandable, given so many killings and deaths, that they cannot attend every return. In this useless "war," that's all they'd be doing. But to not even send condolences because of suicide or any other reason, totally, thoroughly despicable and inexcusable. The conditions in a person that lead one to suicide are caused by or exacerbated by warfare. Suicides are victims just as much as those shot down or blown up any other explosive devices. The refusal to send condolences to the families of suicide victims is the same as health insurance companies defining it a uncovered "pre-existing conditions." That's rot! Is Obama going to try to be "bi-partisan" in this, too? And is the end result going to be more failure and near failure to obtain what we elected him for?

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Refugee American in Asia
Posted by: zaxxon on Oct 28, 2009 4:17 AM   
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Some of this might be traced back to Cindy Sheehan, when she parked her herself in front of the Texas numbskull's Crawford ranch. Remember Cindy? She's the gutsy American mother who lost her son to Neocom folly.
At any rate, "mission Accomplished" Bush avoided her and sped away in an entourage of secret service SUVs.
Now a real American president would have invited her in for some solace and Texas hospitality - but not the Texas war hero - the craven slug that he is.

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Chancellor Keesling
Posted by: Angie on Oct 28, 2009 4:59 AM   
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Maybe his legacy should be to help other soldiers in similar positions by changing the law that prevents mental health information from passing from the enlisted to the Reserve.
I can understand how someone who is trained and expected to be tough might not volunteer that information themselves.
I haven't read my Bible lately, but I don't think it supports suicide. The White House might give the impression that suicide is acceptable if letters of condolence are sent in those situations. Nonetheless, it definitely sounds like Chancellor's military service was worthy of Presidential commendation.

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Why Won't Obama...?
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Oct 28, 2009 5:51 AM   
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To ask this question is to know the answer. The problem is that suicide is taboo in our culture and in most others. The major religions tell us that anyone who commits suicide will suffer the tortures of hell. Although our government is supposed to be secular, it is persuaded to follow this same attitude which stems from ancient cultures and traditions.

It is instructive, however, to consider how we regard euthanasia as humane, particularly when it is applied to animals. An animal that is in pain we will put to death and congratulate ourselves on the sensible way we handled the matter. In contrast, a human who is in intense pain we allow to suffer. If someone in severe mental anguish chooses to end his life we may even punish their loved ones.

Our system of morality is sometimes hard to comprehend.

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EJames
Posted by: Ejames on Oct 28, 2009 5:59 AM   
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A psychiatrist concerned all my career with suicide prevention--and war-prevention--I was shocked to hear Amy Goodman's report. Thanks for reproducing it here. I wonder what the American Psychiatric Assn. will do, and if the American Association of Suicidology will weigh in. A brief report has just been issued by the Center on Conscience and War
www.conteronconscience.org
E J Lieberman

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What's the point in sending condolence letters anyway?
Posted by: LStinson1988 on Oct 28, 2009 6:36 AM   
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1. It's a waste of paper and hence trees.

2. It doesn't stop him from sending more soldiers into harm's way.

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To answer your question, try and craft such a letter.
Posted by: franklyspanking on Oct 28, 2009 6:37 AM   
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It's rather easy for a "path of least resistance" politician like Bush/Obama to wax (or have their intern wax) proud and regretful of the loss of someone killed in the line of duty.

Offer us a 'presidential' letter regarding a citizen soldier's suicide, and you run into linguistic and rhetorical entanglements.

I'm not saying that ignoring folks who decided to kill themselves is the right thing to do, I'm just saying that, like always, the idiots we Americans elect to office either 1) don't give enough of a damn to make an effort, or 2) recognize their incompetence at it, or 3) aren't really interested in what the idiot electorate has to say on the issue*.

Next time, perhaps we'll consider choosing a thoughtful, contemplative, engaged citizen as a President, rather than supporting perpetual duhduhtude by your average politician.

*I mean c'mon, better than 90% of the country voted for McSame/Obushma, and better than 2/3 are self-identified democrats and republican status-quo'ers.

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Good soldiers don't serve in Iraq
Posted by: leafsong1 on Oct 28, 2009 7:15 AM   
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I don't see why we should have any sympathy for what happens to those who do.

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STOP ENLISTING
Posted by: smf1403 on Oct 28, 2009 7:43 AM   
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“This is my duty.” In fact, he said to his sister, “We must have a military, and somebody’s got to be in it.”

I do not agree that we "must have a military".

Stop the insanity now. War benefits the profiteers, never the people. It's intent is to invade, control and profit off other country's resources by our government.

I am truly sorry that anyone suffers as a result of war. That includes the individuals that enlist and the people in other countries that they kill and maim and destroy their homes.

A Peace Department, not a War Department is needed in our government. This is one very big reason that I support Dennis Kucinich for President.

With free public college education and public works programs, green jobs, end to NAFTA, as Dennis Kucinich will enact as President, young men and women would not feel the pressure to enlist in the military.

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What a despicable and heartless policy - Where's Michelle Obama on this?
Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale on Oct 28, 2009 8:24 AM   
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She's been taking a lot of heat lately for hula-hooping and appearing on Leno. The people that come to her defense, however, always point to how she reaches out to military families and works with them. Well, you know what? Chancellor Keesling's parents are feeling just as much grief as any other parents of deceased soldiers, regardless of how their son died in Iraq. He was on his second tour of duty over there! For God's sakes, show some respect to the service he DID provide and don't rub salt in his parents' wounds by not sending a condolence letter.

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» despicable and heartless? Posted by: zipper696
» RE: despicable and heartless? Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale

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They Aren't Protecting Us from Anything.
Posted by: aussidawg on Oct 28, 2009 9:44 AM   
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President Obama:"But as we protect America, our men and women in uniform must always be treated as what they are: America’s most precious resource."

This is the lie that is parrotted day in and day out by out MSM and locan news stations. We are not in Iraq or Afganistan to "protect America", we are there to protect corporate interests and of course to make our ex president Bu$h a "war time president" so he may look better in the history books.

I have the utmost respect for those who went to Iraq believeing they were coming to the defense of our country. But the truth is they were lied to. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Afganistan offered to give up Osama Bin Laden if we could provide enough proof that he was involved with 9/11.

My heart grieves for this family. Their son should receive the same honor from the president that any others who have died as a result of this war did. But let's not kid ourselves. This soldier didn't have to be in Iraq in the first place, and he, like all of the others who have died in these wars have been sacrificed to a lie. As such, those families should have the closure of seeing those who created and perpetuated that lie be punished for both treason and war crimes.

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I believe
Posted by: Archie1954 on Oct 28, 2009 10:02 AM   
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that the President does not want to advertise the number of suicides that occur within the military every year. As well he may think that such suicides are a poor personal choice that shouldn't be acknowledged. Does he consider that the parents and family left behind would be embarrassed by such acknowledgement? Regardless, I feel that the only bad choice this young man made was joining up in the first place. After that he had no further choice. He did what he was told and unfortunately his orders made the the tragedy of his death inevitable for him. He was not responsible the military was.

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Because if he recognized a suicide the same way he does a combat death, then
Posted by: Longdream on Oct 28, 2009 12:07 PM   
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the families of the dead in combat would get on him?

Because if he'd sent a condolence letter to a suicide, someone on AlterNet, and other cheap-shot artists in the media would bitch that he was glorifying suicide?

Because he may as well please himself because he can't win?

When you all complain that Republicans smear Obama with everything they've got, and have no respect for the office of the Presidency, remember that he doesn't need Republicans to undermine his work: he's got YOU to whine about trivia.

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misleading headline
Posted by: Nuanced on Oct 28, 2009 12:38 PM   
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it should have read "why is it US policy" instead of "why won't Obama." This is AlterNet not Fox.

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No One Should Ever Commit Suicide Unless They Have Been in Unbearable Pain For Months
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Oct 28, 2009 6:08 PM   
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Even then they shouldn't - Its a Cop Out...

If You Leave It For a Bit Longer...

The Wounds In Your Body and Soul Will Naturally Heal...and The Pain Won't be such a Problem any more and one day you will notice The Pain Is Gone...

And Then You Can Rebuild Your Life...

And If You Were a Soldier and Sufferred So Much For What Happenned....

For What Was Done To You - and What You Did To The "Enemy"

You Think The Enemy Can Never Forgive You...

But You Are Wrong

Human Beings Have Almost Infinite Capacity for Love and Forgiveness

And If You Survive The Terror of Wanting To Kill Yourself...

You Can Write Everything Down

Being Completely HONEST

Explain In Detail Why You Really Wanted and Enjoyed Killing The Evil Enemy...

And then the slow realisation that you were a soldier in a foreign land, and that these people had never done anything to harm you - they were just trying to defend their homes and families and the land that they lived in...

So it all comes over you - how evil you have been and that there is no way back...

Yes there is a Way Back

You Make restitution For The Destruction You Have Caused. You Apologise In The Most Human Way You Can - and Do The Best You Can To Give Back To The Survivors of Who's Friends You Have Mutilated and Killed

And You Write It All Down

And You Ask Questions Of Your Leaders

Why Did You Send Me To Kill Innocent People?

Why Why Why Why Why???????????

And Demand an Answer!!!!!!!!!

And If They Won't Give You an Answer

You are a Soldier Again

You Have Survived.

You Know Where The Real Evil Is, And You Will Spend The Rest Of Your Life Trying To Peacefully Defeat It

All these things that I've done LIVE at Glastonbury 2007

Tony

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Bwana
Posted by: Bwana on Oct 29, 2009 4:33 PM   
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The country has come a long way in how suicide is dealt with - yet Presidential policy is lagging. If Keesling had died of a heart attack, or had been struck by lightening while in Camp Striker does the policy allow for the President to send those families some acknowledgement for thier loss?

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gilhowcan
Posted by: gilhowcan on Oct 30, 2009 4:53 PM   
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This is one of the most disgraceful continuations of a disgraceful practice in our politics and government. A number of considerations are important.

Mental/emotional problems can exist before entering the military and be causeed by military life, especially warfare.


Many judges, in lieu of jail/prison sentences have often allowed those convicted of crimes the alternative of military enlistment. It's a way of getting them out of society. It's ignorant. It's unjust.

Military recruiters offer bonuses to potential recruits, and they are not too fussy about the bodies they can collect. The performance record of recruiters is embellished by the number of recruits they succeed in collecting.

Military personnel with mental/emotional problems, including the relatively discovered and admitted PTSD, are more sensitive to the to the pressures of military life and we see they frequently break under those pressures.

The victims of mental/emotional problems who are eventually, finally driven to suicide in warfare are victims of that warfare just as certainly as any who are blown to bits by the machinery of war, by those who are physically wounded, and any others who are wounded with PTSD or any other mental/emotional disorders.

We choose warfare. We recruit warriors. We command them. The President is their Commander-in-Chief. It is a disgrace not to recognize suicides as victims of war just as much as those who have their heads or limbs blown off, just as much as those who become mentally/emotionally disturbed because of the experience of the military and warfare.

It is to be hoped that President Obama will become an enlightened Commander-in-Chief and extend equal attention to the suicide victims of our military and our warfare. Obviously, no president has the time to greet every return victim of war, but the prejudice of withholding equal attention to suicide victims remains one of the most scandalous practices of our government.

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