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Is the End Near for the Right-Wing's Vice Grip on U.S. Israeli Policy?
October 26, 2009 |
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This week, retired Marine Corps Gen. Jim Jones, Barack Obama's national security adviser, will keynote the inaugural J Street Conference, billed as a gathering of "progressive pro-Israel, pro-peace" activists.
The event marks the emergence of the moderate Jewish advocacy group that aspires to be a counterweight to the voices of the traditionally hawkish "pro-Israel" lobby in Washington.
The White House's decision last week to send Jones to address the event was a small move that might have a significant impact on the overheated politics of the Middle East.
In the months before, a full-throated "swift boat" campaign had been launched against J Street in an attempt to vilify and delegitimize the group as belonging to the fringe, despite its advocacy of a moderate, or at most slightly left-of center, approach to U.S. policy in the Middle East.
The conservative media offered a steady drumbeat of dubious charges, and a campaign had been under way to warn members of Congress away from the event. And it appeared to be having some impact as several members of Congress pulled out of the conference in the weeks leading up to the event (a total of 10 reportedly dropped out, according to reports, but not all in response to outside pressure).
It was an attempt to nip J Street in the bud and preserve the hegemony established lobbying groups like American Israel Public Affairs Committee have long enjoyed in the halls of Congress.
At stake was not only the definition of what it means to be "pro-Israel" -- long synonymous with supporting the more hawkish end of Israel's political spectrum (despite American Jews' general tendency to lean left) -- but also, and more importantly, the ability of established lobbying groups to claim to speak for the American Jewish community as a whole.
It was a closely watched Washington fight, and when the White House announced that the head of Obama's National Security Council would headline the event, it sent a powerful message, legitimizing the 2-year-old group as a voice in U.S. foreign policy debates and providing cover for wavering lawmakers under pressure to skip the conference.
It signaled, to the media and other interested observers, that the J Street conference is decidedly within the mainstream.
It was also another small shot at the hawkish Israeli government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu -- a public rebuke of Israeli ambassador Michael Oren's high-profile decision to boycott the conference a week earlier -- a decision that may have been prompted by pressure from AIPAC (Israel said it had concerns for some of the group's positions but would send an "observer").
Indeed, the Washington Post framed the entire controversy surrounding the conference as a proxy war in a larger conflict between the White House and the Israeli government under right-wing Netanyahu.
In sending Jones, not only did the Obama administration help J Street take the old-school "Israel lobby's" best punches and come through standing on its feet, it did itself a service in the process.
Obama has long been dogged by warnings that he risks losing support among American Jews for a range of policies -- from attempts to reach out to the Islamic world, to negotiating with Iran and, perhaps most significantly, for confronting the Israeli government on the expansion of Israeli settlements.
His administration is leaning on a new generation of moderate-to-progressive Jewish activists, represented most visibly at the moment by J Street, to provide political cover for him in turn.
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Ben-David's indictment
Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Oct 26, 2009 1:53 AM
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Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Oct 26, 2009 1:53 AM
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He argues that the fact that some of the organization's supporters are members of the Muslim community is alone enough to discredit it.
That is racism.
It also made me cry to read it, I have been on the receiving end of his racism. For some people, his words are torture.
Does Ben-David recognize he is a party to mass murder?
That is racism.
It also made me cry to read it, I have been on the receiving end of his racism. For some people, his words are torture.
Does Ben-David recognize he is a party to mass murder?
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» if he does, he certainly doesn't care
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dipconsult
Posted by: dipconsult on Oct 26, 2009 2:40 AM
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Posted by: dipconsult on Oct 26, 2009 2:40 AM
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There are two points that may determine the success or failure of the Obama presidency:
1. Whether a robust "public option" is adopted by Congress. If so, the road will be open to a more just social order in the US, eventually ending the dominance of big finance and big corporations in favour of real democracy.
2. Whether the US forces Israel genuinely to stop settlement activity in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. If so the road will be open to an Israel Palestine settlement, the sine qua non for defusing the hatreds that give us Al Qaeda and Co and the whole deplorable "clash of civiliations)
We in Europe, who should be supporting Obama but lack a voice in the world, are watching in hope, but appalled by the extraordinary opposition this president is meeting even from those who elected him.
1. Whether a robust "public option" is adopted by Congress. If so, the road will be open to a more just social order in the US, eventually ending the dominance of big finance and big corporations in favour of real democracy.
2. Whether the US forces Israel genuinely to stop settlement activity in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. If so the road will be open to an Israel Palestine settlement, the sine qua non for defusing the hatreds that give us Al Qaeda and Co and the whole deplorable "clash of civiliations)
We in Europe, who should be supporting Obama but lack a voice in the world, are watching in hope, but appalled by the extraordinary opposition this president is meeting even from those who elected him.
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» I would say there are two emerging events in recent weeks that may help him....
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» Jeffry M. Picower died of a heart attack. He was 67 years old.
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» When you add in all the organ harvesting going on world wide, its too young to die, ask Rockefeller
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» You are nuts
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ZakAttack
Posted by: Zak44 on Oct 26, 2009 3:10 AM
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Posted by: Zak44 on Oct 26, 2009 3:10 AM
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Think you meant "vise."
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» Example Of Proper Usage re "Vise" vs. "Vice"
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Come on Josh, Israel's got more games
Posted by: weathered on Oct 26, 2009 3:36 AM
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Posted by: weathered on Oct 26, 2009 3:36 AM
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than an arcade.
If the political state of Israel ever had the balls to tell its own citizens the truth, let alone others they'd have absolutely no clue where to begin.
Israel is so soul sick from its secrets and encrusted w/so many years of denial Freud himself couldn't cut it w/a chainsaw.
The fact that this pathology of deceit has infected America is so evident, so diabolic and ultimately so unnecessarily selfish - and that my friend either requires a catharsis or our little 60 year affair will come to blows.
Tragically it NEVER had to get like this, but for Israel, more is never enough.
If the political state of Israel ever had the balls to tell its own citizens the truth, let alone others they'd have absolutely no clue where to begin.
Israel is so soul sick from its secrets and encrusted w/so many years of denial Freud himself couldn't cut it w/a chainsaw.
The fact that this pathology of deceit has infected America is so evident, so diabolic and ultimately so unnecessarily selfish - and that my friend either requires a catharsis or our little 60 year affair will come to blows.
Tragically it NEVER had to get like this, but for Israel, more is never enough.
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» Regardless of the underlying agenda of the whole game here, lets hope J Street....
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» RE: Come on Josh, Israel's got more games
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Kudos for Hillary
Posted by: Perry Logan on Oct 26, 2009 4:02 AM
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Oct 26, 2009 4:02 AM
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Obama's record on foreign policy is--while nothing like a bright spot--not quite as abysmal as his record on everything else.
I give the credit to Hillary, Obama's one good appointment.
Since the O-holes are sure to blame Hillary when Obama goes down in flames, I thought it well to give some credit where it's due for a change. :)
I wonder if the Bamantor will try appointing another Democrat to something--just to see what happens. Probably not. Glenn Beck might demur.
I give the credit to Hillary, Obama's one good appointment.
Since the O-holes are sure to blame Hillary when Obama goes down in flames, I thought it well to give some credit where it's due for a change. :)
I wonder if the Bamantor will try appointing another Democrat to something--just to see what happens. Probably not. Glenn Beck might demur.
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» no one's talking about her except you, dude
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» LOL, so true, in fact, I have never seen such a high profile person treated like an after thought..
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Israel Is Morally Bankrupt
Posted by: dcande01 on Oct 26, 2009 4:12 AM
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Posted by: dcande01 on Oct 26, 2009 4:12 AM
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and the leaders in Washington, DC, know it. It's hard to imagine a more disgusting country, and what makes them more disgusting is that my tax dollars are going to support it.
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A hope for reason
Posted by: LeonBNJ on Oct 26, 2009 4:26 AM
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Posted by: LeonBNJ on Oct 26, 2009 4:26 AM
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Perhaps this new group will be a hope for reason. We cannot stay with the course the USA and Israel has taken for over 60 years. Of course the real force in the USA as to the absolutist view toward Israel is due to so-called Christians who see it's existance in bibical terms. Israel needs to become a more secular state, one that respects all faiths to secure the right to practice the Jewish faith there. They must end their settlements in the West Bank. They may have to end their practice of allowing anyone who says they are Jewish to enter the country as they have limited resources. The USA government must take a real stand that is our benefit as well and reduces the hate toward us and Israel by the 'Arab' world.
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» Actually, Israel's leaders are all secular, its a theocracy in name only.
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Screw the Isreali govt./military terrorists!
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on Oct 26, 2009 5:45 AM
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Posted by: sasquuatch55 on Oct 26, 2009 5:45 AM
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nt
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» RE: Screw the Isreali govt./military terrorists!
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» I am confused as well. He is saying what most Americans are finally saying....Israel is the......
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Is it really about occupation??
Posted by: Allstar Cookie on Oct 26, 2009 5:49 AM
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Posted by: Allstar Cookie on Oct 26, 2009 5:49 AM
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Didn’t the Palestinians decline a UN two-state solution after WWII?
I just don’t think that occupation is the means for the Palestinians fight. I think it’s used as a veil to mask the real reasons for advocating the suicide of your own children.
It’s more of a war of Islam against Jews, not of occupation.
There has to come a point, when Palestinian leaders realize that they can’t defeat Israel, and conceding is the only answer to any future. In a sane society, that is what would happen. In a society that raises children to become suicide martyrs, it’s clear that it’s more about religion than occupation.
The children that are killed by Israeli shells are called martyrs, and Arabs weep. The children that become suicide bombers are called martyrs, and Arabs celebrate.
I don’t get it.
I just don’t think that occupation is the means for the Palestinians fight. I think it’s used as a veil to mask the real reasons for advocating the suicide of your own children.
It’s more of a war of Islam against Jews, not of occupation.
There has to come a point, when Palestinian leaders realize that they can’t defeat Israel, and conceding is the only answer to any future. In a sane society, that is what would happen. In a society that raises children to become suicide martyrs, it’s clear that it’s more about religion than occupation.
The children that are killed by Israeli shells are called martyrs, and Arabs weep. The children that become suicide bombers are called martyrs, and Arabs celebrate.
I don’t get it.
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» You likely never will. n/t
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» RE: You likely never will. n/t
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» עוגייה, תתעופף מכאן יא נבלה
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» Do you have a link to that specific information you just gave that is not Israeli generated?
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» Idiot
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» RE: Idiot
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» RE: Idiot
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» עוגייה
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» RE: Idiot
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» That is YOUR interpretation of what is happening, give us a link to prove it?
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» RE: Idiot
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» RE: Idiot
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» Produce those polls..now
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» RE: Produce those polls..now
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» you're projecting
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» Immoral?
Posted by: Steve53
» nope-they dont matter to you
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» Give me a break.
Posted by: Steve53
» RE: Give me a break-why? For you to continue your dishonesty?
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» RE: Give me a break-why?
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» of course I didn't answer them
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» Steve53 has NEVER been to Israel
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» I doubt it
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» Who is lying now?
Posted by: Steve53
» RE: Give me a break.
Posted by: RedAaron
» Steve53 is a LIAR
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» Why must I do all your work?
Posted by: Steve53
» work? what work?
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» You are still waiting? Waiting for what?
Posted by: Steve53
» Goldtone, Richard, Judge
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» RE: Goldtone, Richard, Judge
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» RE: Produce those polls..now
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» RE: Produce those polls..now
Posted by: Steve53
» 94% Israelis Support Gaza Attack
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» thanks!
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» Why do you twist things?
Posted by: Steve53
» They did support the slaughter.
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» Steve53 = AIPAC Shill
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» Don't support AIPAC. Never have.
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» RE: Hasba-rat "Steve53"
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» RE: Hasba-rat "Steve53"
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» RE: Hasba-rat "Steve53"
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» RE: Hasba-rat "Steve53"
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» RE: In Europe doesn't democratic mean the opposite of that in the U.S.?
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» RE: Idiot
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» RE: Idiot
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» I agree
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» RE: Idiot
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» RE: Idiot
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» Using Internationally banned WHITE PHOSPHEROUS on unarmed women and children and old people....
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» RE: Is it really about occupation? [You certainly don't, 'get it'.
Posted by: Squarehead
» RE: Is it really about occupation? [You certainly don't, 'get it'.
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» RE: Is it really about occupation??
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» Don't undermine your argument with careless numbers!
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Vise Grip
Posted by: leafsong1 on Oct 26, 2009 6:10 AM
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Posted by: leafsong1 on Oct 26, 2009 6:10 AM
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J Street is moderate?
Posted by: Steve53 on Oct 26, 2009 6:15 AM
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Posted by: Steve53 on Oct 26, 2009 6:15 AM
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J Street is moderate? AIPAC is "hawkish?" Aren't these terms a matter of perspective. Joshua Holland is what? Far left of center? AIPAC supported disengagement from Gaza. In fact, just prior to the Bush / Sharon disengagement / mass-expulsion of Jews from Gaza, at AIPAC's annual convention, not one anti-disengagement activist was permitted to speak. This is hawkish? AIPAC supports the 'two state solution' to the Jewish problem. This is hawkish? J Street receives support from Israel's mortal enemies. This is moderate?
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» LOL
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» Troll
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» RE: J Street is moderate?
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We should remember not to judge the righteousness...
Posted by: leafsong1 on Oct 26, 2009 6:18 AM
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Posted by: leafsong1 on Oct 26, 2009 6:18 AM
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...of a candidate or orgaqnization by the vehemence with which they are denounced by the extreme right. It should be remembered that if a candidate or organization is intended by the ectreme right to be a bulwark against the left by gathering leftist forces into a "centrist" and "moderate" organization where they can be covertly neutralized, such attacks are standard procedure. Remember the DLC, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama? Don't pay too much attention to mere words.
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Opinions are like derrieres; everyone has one.
Posted by: Steve53 on Oct 26, 2009 6:29 AM
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Posted by: Steve53 on Oct 26, 2009 6:29 AM
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Joshua wrote: "Six of 10 oppose the expansion of Israeli settlements...."
Interesting. This seems pretty un-American of these Jews. White Europeans overspread the north American continent, expropriating American Indians and the Mexicans. Americans are proud of their history. Perhaps American-Jews are not proud. White European interlopers - unlike the Israel's Jews - had no historic connection to this land and yet they did not blink an eye; in fact they strongly supported the expansion of the settlement movement, the buiding of outposts / forts on Indian lands and the further displacement and the ethnic cleansing of the American Indian. Again, Americans are proud of their history of conquest. What are American Jews thinking?
Joshua wrote: "56 percent believe that military action that kills Palestinian civilians -- even if it targets terrorists -- actually creates more terrorism instead of preventing terrorism," and while a majority supported Israel's "right" to launch last year's attack on the Gaza Strip, 60 percent of respondents said the campaign had either done nothing to enhance Israel's security or had in fact made the country less safe."
Should we not call this chutzpah to the extreme? How dare American Jews lecture Israel's Jews about security from the safety and the security of America! How dare you.
Interesting. This seems pretty un-American of these Jews. White Europeans overspread the north American continent, expropriating American Indians and the Mexicans. Americans are proud of their history. Perhaps American-Jews are not proud. White European interlopers - unlike the Israel's Jews - had no historic connection to this land and yet they did not blink an eye; in fact they strongly supported the expansion of the settlement movement, the buiding of outposts / forts on Indian lands and the further displacement and the ethnic cleansing of the American Indian. Again, Americans are proud of their history of conquest. What are American Jews thinking?
Joshua wrote: "56 percent believe that military action that kills Palestinian civilians -- even if it targets terrorists -- actually creates more terrorism instead of preventing terrorism," and while a majority supported Israel's "right" to launch last year's attack on the Gaza Strip, 60 percent of respondents said the campaign had either done nothing to enhance Israel's security or had in fact made the country less safe."
Should we not call this chutzpah to the extreme? How dare American Jews lecture Israel's Jews about security from the safety and the security of America! How dare you.
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» wow-this is the best you can do?
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» RE: wow-this is the best you can do?
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» OK, but..
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» I accept part of your premise
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» RE: I accept part of your premise
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» Whose land?
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» RE: Whose land?
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» Wrong
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» good luck with this one
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» RE: Wrong
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» Steve53 = Propaganda Galore
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» But in this case they are also wrong.
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» "Sderot" is the thieves' name for Najd.
Posted by: RedAaron
» Palestinians murdered 700 Jews during the British Mandate and vowed war against Palestine Partition.
Posted by: yellow
» RE: Opinions are like derrieres; everyone has one [Are you serious? Or just running an interference
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» I reject your premise
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» Israel IS a Terrorist State
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» RE: Israel IS a Terrorist State
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» Jew? Torah?
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» Self Appointed Jew
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» there you go again
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» RE: there you go again
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» RE: there you go again [You don't think it's about land? And other resources?
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» RE: I reject your premise
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» If Israel conducted it affairs
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» RE: If Israel conducted it affairs
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» Steve53 and his propaganda
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» Your wrong, this war the US is in is illegal, immoral, and a war crime and because they
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» RE: If Israel conducted it affairs
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Don't Forget the Money -- It's Always About the Money
Posted by: madmac10 on Oct 26, 2009 6:39 AM
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Posted by: madmac10 on Oct 26, 2009 6:39 AM
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I mean, I'm not a journalist. I haven't been following the paper trails too closely (please! Any journalists out there doing this regularly?) But I can still confidently state that this turf war is purely about dollar bills. Furthermore, I can confidently (though arguably prejudicially) conclude that this fight will get much uglier and will last much longer than anyone can yet foresee.
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Empire.........
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Oct 26, 2009 6:53 AM
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Oct 26, 2009 6:53 AM
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While I applaud the President for not falling in lockstep with AIPAC and at least be willing to hear from another side, I also believe that he needs to listen to the Palestinians. Real "friends" tell their "friends" things they want to hear, but more importantly things they NEED to hear but don't want to! The truth is America and Israel have the same concerns and interests, as America has with the rest of the world!
Why is it that any criticism of Israeli boorish behavior is considered anti-semitic, and yet the Palestinians who are being forcibly removed from lands they have lived on for years, and killed by the thousands is something that isn't talked about?! I wonder how many Americans being forcibly removed from their homes and lands would react under those conditions? And while "people" may complain, the fact is that Hamas was democratically voted into office by the Palestinian people! That "Hamas" was not the group of people that Israel wanted to deal with, is not legitimate enough for them to not even recognize that they are the leaders that the Palestinians wanted! I mean in 2004 the rest of the world was stunned and didn't want to deal with GWB in office again, especially after the previous 4 years of disaster, but the world didn't completely stop dealing with the United States!
It is past time that both Israel & both Hamas & Fatah reach a peace settlement. Yes it will be necessary for the President to bring force to bear on all parties! And yes the Israeli's must go back to the 1967 borders, and stop encroaching on Palestinian land. If Israel continues to throw obstacles to the peace process, then maybe the US should reconsider reducing the $10 million per day that they receive from US!
Why is it that any criticism of Israeli boorish behavior is considered anti-semitic, and yet the Palestinians who are being forcibly removed from lands they have lived on for years, and killed by the thousands is something that isn't talked about?! I wonder how many Americans being forcibly removed from their homes and lands would react under those conditions? And while "people" may complain, the fact is that Hamas was democratically voted into office by the Palestinian people! That "Hamas" was not the group of people that Israel wanted to deal with, is not legitimate enough for them to not even recognize that they are the leaders that the Palestinians wanted! I mean in 2004 the rest of the world was stunned and didn't want to deal with GWB in office again, especially after the previous 4 years of disaster, but the world didn't completely stop dealing with the United States!
It is past time that both Israel & both Hamas & Fatah reach a peace settlement. Yes it will be necessary for the President to bring force to bear on all parties! And yes the Israeli's must go back to the 1967 borders, and stop encroaching on Palestinian land. If Israel continues to throw obstacles to the peace process, then maybe the US should reconsider reducing the $10 million per day that they receive from US!
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It defends on the definition
Posted by: james108 on Oct 26, 2009 7:08 AM
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Posted by: james108 on Oct 26, 2009 7:08 AM
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Democrats has been solidly baised for Israel for as long as republicans have.
Obama uses the old verbiage calling it terrorism when when Palestinians fight, even though they're rounded up in an apartheid shooting gallery and even humanitarian groups can barely help through Israel's iron blockade. He never uses the term terrorism when Israel murders, and did help right wing groups sabotage the Dubin II conference on racism. He implies threat when he mentiones Iran, even though they have the same human right of self determination as other countries, and they are being held to a higher standard while he ignores the nuclear threat to them from Israel.
He ignores the racist beginning of the Afghanistan war, where we refused the rule of law and a country offering to turn over bin Laden if we would hand over evidence.
It may not be right wing by your definition, but it's a shallow one if you're just asking if democrats will put a nicer face on racist exploitation. We still, in our "credible MSM", have never admitted we've even fought one war for oil, and we're still enriching multinational corporations watered in blood. "Credible" media can't even ask the ridiculous question if global resources and profiteering enrichment has anything to do with the murder of so many, though it has through much of history and now is no different, including self-righteous lies we tell ourselves. By my definition, having democrats do it, pretty it up with better rhetoric, and get more people to support it by supporting them doesn't help the world any.
Obama uses the old verbiage calling it terrorism when when Palestinians fight, even though they're rounded up in an apartheid shooting gallery and even humanitarian groups can barely help through Israel's iron blockade. He never uses the term terrorism when Israel murders, and did help right wing groups sabotage the Dubin II conference on racism. He implies threat when he mentiones Iran, even though they have the same human right of self determination as other countries, and they are being held to a higher standard while he ignores the nuclear threat to them from Israel.
He ignores the racist beginning of the Afghanistan war, where we refused the rule of law and a country offering to turn over bin Laden if we would hand over evidence.
It may not be right wing by your definition, but it's a shallow one if you're just asking if democrats will put a nicer face on racist exploitation. We still, in our "credible MSM", have never admitted we've even fought one war for oil, and we're still enriching multinational corporations watered in blood. "Credible" media can't even ask the ridiculous question if global resources and profiteering enrichment has anything to do with the murder of so many, though it has through much of history and now is no different, including self-righteous lies we tell ourselves. By my definition, having democrats do it, pretty it up with better rhetoric, and get more people to support it by supporting them doesn't help the world any.
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Jihad Must Be Defeated
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Israel must be supported against Jihad. The following is a rant from a religious lunatic. “A small token of punishment has been shown to those that have turned their backs on Allah. But lightening bolts will soon strike the cities and burn the farms. The holy sword is returning and the flow of blood will cleanse the land. Satan and his followers have angered the mighty one. The tongues of infidels must be cut out and dissidents beheaded to quench the thirst of Allah. Only then will he smile again and bless us with peace.” Israel needs support to defend itself against madmen.
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Unfortunately, Israel has an Aparthied form of gov't that's just as wrong as it was in South Africa!
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This results in endless cycles of war, violence, & suffering!!!
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American Jews are waking up...a bit
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Philip Weiss and Adam Horowitz wrote an article in The Nation covering the change in attitude towards Israel amongst american Jews. After Gaza a lot of jews were fed up, and the future will tell if this was only temporary (some people were upset in 82 as well)or if they'll start digging, a little, a lot, and put the legitimacy of the whole project into question. In a way JStreet is damage control, trying to keep everyone in the fold by providing a more reasonable alternative than AIPAC. Then again the value of JStreet is that they do present a more reasonable alternative than AIPAC.
It would be an exciting thing if the ball got rolling and american jews found the courage and support to find a voice separate from JStreet.
It would be an exciting thing if the ball got rolling and american jews found the courage and support to find a voice separate from JStreet.
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Amazing, the Ignorance here>>>>>
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You mean, you don't know the difference between JUDAISM and ZIONISM?
You mean, you don't know that all Jews ARE NOT Zionists and not ALL Zionists are Jews?
You mean, you think Zionism is identical with Judaism and Messianic Christianity, and you think ALL Conservatives are Zionists--even Constitutionalists who stand for Rule of Common and Natural [over coercive] Law?
Do you not know that Judaism is not a Semitic Religion; it's a political ideology?
Do you not know that "standing for governance BY CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED" is what Judaism was selected to DO--not stand for slavery and exploitation?
Do you think that the behavior of so-called "Ysrael" [which is nation operating as a Parliamentary Democracy] is absolutely opposed to governance by personal law-abiding consent?
I don't think you know very much about Judaism, natural Law, Constitutional governance or Hegelian Dialectics, which your article TITLE PROFFERS as its logic.
Honestly!
You mean, you don't know that all Jews ARE NOT Zionists and not ALL Zionists are Jews?
You mean, you think Zionism is identical with Judaism and Messianic Christianity, and you think ALL Conservatives are Zionists--even Constitutionalists who stand for Rule of Common and Natural [over coercive] Law?
Do you not know that Judaism is not a Semitic Religion; it's a political ideology?
Do you not know that "standing for governance BY CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED" is what Judaism was selected to DO--not stand for slavery and exploitation?
Do you think that the behavior of so-called "Ysrael" [which is nation operating as a Parliamentary Democracy] is absolutely opposed to governance by personal law-abiding consent?
I don't think you know very much about Judaism, natural Law, Constitutional governance or Hegelian Dialectics, which your article TITLE PROFFERS as its logic.
Honestly!
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Being truly "pro-Israel" means telling Israel to end the occupation
Posted by: Garvagh on Oct 26, 2009 4:04 PM
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Great piece. Israel will permanently compromise its security if it fails to end the occupation of the West Bank and the Golan Heights. Israel must get back in the box and make peace with its neighbors while it is dealing from a position of strength.
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Look at this Joshua. What do you say?
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J Street's university arm has dropped the "pro-Israel" part of the left-wing US lobby's "pro-Israel, pro-peace" slogan TO AVOID ALIENATING STUDENTS (emphasis mine).
That decision was part of the message conveyed to young activists who attended a special weekend program for students ahead of J Street's first annual conference, which began on Sunday.....
http://www.jpost.com/
That decision was part of the message conveyed to young activists who attended a special weekend program for students ahead of J Street's first annual conference, which began on Sunday.....
http://www.jpost.com/
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Israel's nuclear weapons
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When are there going to be inspections of Israeli nuclear sites...considering they repeatedly say they have the right to use them against Iran.
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Chicago Common Sense
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Why not analyze and critique the 22 arab nations surrounding Israel which all suppress gay rights and women's rights, control the presses, and support 20 dictatorships. Maybe ponder how muslim blow each other to pieces at 100 a day--in markets, mosques. Ponder why War crimes only apply to Jews now and Darfur, Somolia and other hotspots are ignored.
Ever wonder why Arab and other non democratic governments demonize Israel--maybe to distract from their authoritarian and fear based societies. Why Israel has been the most attacked nation ever in the United Nations by the very nations that have the worse human rights records.
J Street may applaud a settlement freeze even it it rewards Palestinians while they still incite hatred and threaten a 3rd intifada. J Street may have forgotten that Israel offered 96% of the territories to Arafat including a capital in east Jerusalem in 2000 and was rewarded with the 2nd Intifida. Israel unilaterally withdrew from Lebanon and got His- bol -allah, a war in 2006 and today 40,000 rockets ready to go. Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza in 2005 and got Hamas and 8,000 rockets, and war in 2009.
The Israel government was dumb enough to do this withdrawal thing two times without a peace partner but seems finally to recognize a pattern here, dah, withdraw from the west bank area and that 9 mile wasteline between the sea and the west bank with get blasted..
Maybe the folks involved in AIPAC recognize this isn't so simple and
pressuring Israel is dangerous until there is a viable peace partner ready to end the conflict forever. . Unfortunately, no current leadership in the arab world today will take the risks necessary to secure a better life for the Palestinian people and peace if not possible. Maybe J Street can focus on fighting Israel bashing, educate the world on the strong human rights record of Israel compared to any western nation, and maybe J Street can try to develop a new generation of Arab leadership willing to lead--so Israel will benefit by any future concessions.
Ever wonder why Arab and other non democratic governments demonize Israel--maybe to distract from their authoritarian and fear based societies. Why Israel has been the most attacked nation ever in the United Nations by the very nations that have the worse human rights records.
J Street may applaud a settlement freeze even it it rewards Palestinians while they still incite hatred and threaten a 3rd intifada. J Street may have forgotten that Israel offered 96% of the territories to Arafat including a capital in east Jerusalem in 2000 and was rewarded with the 2nd Intifida. Israel unilaterally withdrew from Lebanon and got His- bol -allah, a war in 2006 and today 40,000 rockets ready to go. Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza in 2005 and got Hamas and 8,000 rockets, and war in 2009.
The Israel government was dumb enough to do this withdrawal thing two times without a peace partner but seems finally to recognize a pattern here, dah, withdraw from the west bank area and that 9 mile wasteline between the sea and the west bank with get blasted..
Maybe the folks involved in AIPAC recognize this isn't so simple and
pressuring Israel is dangerous until there is a viable peace partner ready to end the conflict forever. . Unfortunately, no current leadership in the arab world today will take the risks necessary to secure a better life for the Palestinian people and peace if not possible. Maybe J Street can focus on fighting Israel bashing, educate the world on the strong human rights record of Israel compared to any western nation, and maybe J Street can try to develop a new generation of Arab leadership willing to lead--so Israel will benefit by any future concessions.
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J 'Street appears to be for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict what the early war protesters were in the Vietnam War. I hope they're eventually successful too.
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Another take on J Street
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J STREET – The New Smiling Zionist Lobby.
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Ben-David's indictment
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He argues that the fact that some of the organization's supporters are members of the Muslim community is alone enough to discredit it.
That is racism.
It also made me cry to read it, I have been on the receiving end of his racism. For some people, his words are torture.
Does Ben-David recognize he is a party to mass murder?
That is racism.
It also made me cry to read it, I have been on the receiving end of his racism. For some people, his words are torture.
Does Ben-David recognize he is a party to mass murder?
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There are two points that may determine the success or failure of the Obama presidency:
1. Whether a robust "public option" is adopted by Congress. If so, the road will be open to a more just social order in the US, eventually ending the dominance of big finance and big corporations in favour of real democracy.
2. Whether the US forces Israel genuinely to stop settlement activity in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. If so the road will be open to an Israel Palestine settlement, the sine qua non for defusing the hatreds that give us Al Qaeda and Co and the whole deplorable "clash of civiliations)
We in Europe, who should be supporting Obama but lack a voice in the world, are watching in hope, but appalled by the extraordinary opposition this president is meeting even from those who elected him.
1. Whether a robust "public option" is adopted by Congress. If so, the road will be open to a more just social order in the US, eventually ending the dominance of big finance and big corporations in favour of real democracy.
2. Whether the US forces Israel genuinely to stop settlement activity in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. If so the road will be open to an Israel Palestine settlement, the sine qua non for defusing the hatreds that give us Al Qaeda and Co and the whole deplorable "clash of civiliations)
We in Europe, who should be supporting Obama but lack a voice in the world, are watching in hope, but appalled by the extraordinary opposition this president is meeting even from those who elected him.
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Think you meant "vise."
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Come on Josh, Israel's got more games
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than an arcade.
If the political state of Israel ever had the balls to tell its own citizens the truth, let alone others they'd have absolutely no clue where to begin.
Israel is so soul sick from its secrets and encrusted w/so many years of denial Freud himself couldn't cut it w/a chainsaw.
The fact that this pathology of deceit has infected America is so evident, so diabolic and ultimately so unnecessarily selfish - and that my friend either requires a catharsis or our little 60 year affair will come to blows.
Tragically it NEVER had to get like this, but for Israel, more is never enough.
If the political state of Israel ever had the balls to tell its own citizens the truth, let alone others they'd have absolutely no clue where to begin.
Israel is so soul sick from its secrets and encrusted w/so many years of denial Freud himself couldn't cut it w/a chainsaw.
The fact that this pathology of deceit has infected America is so evident, so diabolic and ultimately so unnecessarily selfish - and that my friend either requires a catharsis or our little 60 year affair will come to blows.
Tragically it NEVER had to get like this, but for Israel, more is never enough.
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Kudos for Hillary
Posted by: Perry Logan on Oct 26, 2009 4:02 AM
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Obama's record on foreign policy is--while nothing like a bright spot--not quite as abysmal as his record on everything else.
I give the credit to Hillary, Obama's one good appointment.
Since the O-holes are sure to blame Hillary when Obama goes down in flames, I thought it well to give some credit where it's due for a change. :)
I wonder if the Bamantor will try appointing another Democrat to something--just to see what happens. Probably not. Glenn Beck might demur.
I give the credit to Hillary, Obama's one good appointment.
Since the O-holes are sure to blame Hillary when Obama goes down in flames, I thought it well to give some credit where it's due for a change. :)
I wonder if the Bamantor will try appointing another Democrat to something--just to see what happens. Probably not. Glenn Beck might demur.
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» no one's talking about her except you, dude
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» LOL, so true, in fact, I have never seen such a high profile person treated like an after thought..
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Israel Is Morally Bankrupt
Posted by: dcande01 on Oct 26, 2009 4:12 AM
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and the leaders in Washington, DC, know it. It's hard to imagine a more disgusting country, and what makes them more disgusting is that my tax dollars are going to support it.
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A hope for reason
Posted by: LeonBNJ on Oct 26, 2009 4:26 AM
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Perhaps this new group will be a hope for reason. We cannot stay with the course the USA and Israel has taken for over 60 years. Of course the real force in the USA as to the absolutist view toward Israel is due to so-called Christians who see it's existance in bibical terms. Israel needs to become a more secular state, one that respects all faiths to secure the right to practice the Jewish faith there. They must end their settlements in the West Bank. They may have to end their practice of allowing anyone who says they are Jewish to enter the country as they have limited resources. The USA government must take a real stand that is our benefit as well and reduces the hate toward us and Israel by the 'Arab' world.
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» Actually, Israel's leaders are all secular, its a theocracy in name only.
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Screw the Isreali govt./military terrorists!
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on Oct 26, 2009 5:45 AM
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Posted by: sasquuatch55 on Oct 26, 2009 5:45 AM
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nt
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» RE: Screw the Isreali govt./military terrorists!
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» I am confused as well. He is saying what most Americans are finally saying....Israel is the......
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Is it really about occupation??
Posted by: Allstar Cookie on Oct 26, 2009 5:49 AM
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Posted by: Allstar Cookie on Oct 26, 2009 5:49 AM
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Didn’t the Palestinians decline a UN two-state solution after WWII?
I just don’t think that occupation is the means for the Palestinians fight. I think it’s used as a veil to mask the real reasons for advocating the suicide of your own children.
It’s more of a war of Islam against Jews, not of occupation.
There has to come a point, when Palestinian leaders realize that they can’t defeat Israel, and conceding is the only answer to any future. In a sane society, that is what would happen. In a society that raises children to become suicide martyrs, it’s clear that it’s more about religion than occupation.
The children that are killed by Israeli shells are called martyrs, and Arabs weep. The children that become suicide bombers are called martyrs, and Arabs celebrate.
I don’t get it.
I just don’t think that occupation is the means for the Palestinians fight. I think it’s used as a veil to mask the real reasons for advocating the suicide of your own children.
It’s more of a war of Islam against Jews, not of occupation.
There has to come a point, when Palestinian leaders realize that they can’t defeat Israel, and conceding is the only answer to any future. In a sane society, that is what would happen. In a society that raises children to become suicide martyrs, it’s clear that it’s more about religion than occupation.
The children that are killed by Israeli shells are called martyrs, and Arabs weep. The children that become suicide bombers are called martyrs, and Arabs celebrate.
I don’t get it.
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» You likely never will. n/t
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» RE: You likely never will. n/t
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» עוגייה, תתעופף מכאן יא נבלה
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» Do you have a link to that specific information you just gave that is not Israeli generated?
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» Idiot
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» RE: Idiot
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» RE: Idiot
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» עוגייה
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» RE: Idiot
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» That is YOUR interpretation of what is happening, give us a link to prove it?
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» RE: Idiot
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» RE: Idiot
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» Produce those polls..now
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» RE: Produce those polls..now
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» you're projecting
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» Immoral?
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» nope-they dont matter to you
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» Give me a break.
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» RE: Give me a break-why? For you to continue your dishonesty?
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» RE: Give me a break-why?
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» of course I didn't answer them
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» Steve53 has NEVER been to Israel
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» I doubt it
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» Who is lying now?
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» RE: Give me a break.
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» Steve53 is a LIAR
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» Why must I do all your work?
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» work? what work?
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» You are still waiting? Waiting for what?
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» Goldtone, Richard, Judge
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» RE: Goldtone, Richard, Judge
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» RE: Produce those polls..now
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» RE: Produce those polls..now
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» 94% Israelis Support Gaza Attack
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» thanks!
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» Why do you twist things?
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» They did support the slaughter.
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» Steve53 = AIPAC Shill
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» Don't support AIPAC. Never have.
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» RE: Hasba-rat "Steve53"
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» RE: Hasba-rat "Steve53"
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» RE: Hasba-rat "Steve53"
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» RE: Hasba-rat "Steve53"
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» RE: In Europe doesn't democratic mean the opposite of that in the U.S.?
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» RE: Idiot
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» RE: Idiot
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» I agree
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» RE: Idiot
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» Using Internationally banned WHITE PHOSPHEROUS on unarmed women and children and old people....
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» RE: Is it really about occupation? [You certainly don't, 'get it'.
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» RE: Is it really about occupation? [You certainly don't, 'get it'.
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» RE: Is it really about occupation??
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» Don't undermine your argument with careless numbers!
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Vise Grip
Posted by: leafsong1 on Oct 26, 2009 6:10 AM
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Posted by: leafsong1 on Oct 26, 2009 6:10 AM
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J Street is moderate?
Posted by: Steve53 on Oct 26, 2009 6:15 AM
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J Street is moderate? AIPAC is "hawkish?" Aren't these terms a matter of perspective. Joshua Holland is what? Far left of center? AIPAC supported disengagement from Gaza. In fact, just prior to the Bush / Sharon disengagement / mass-expulsion of Jews from Gaza, at AIPAC's annual convention, not one anti-disengagement activist was permitted to speak. This is hawkish? AIPAC supports the 'two state solution' to the Jewish problem. This is hawkish? J Street receives support from Israel's mortal enemies. This is moderate?
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» Troll
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We should remember not to judge the righteousness...
Posted by: leafsong1 on Oct 26, 2009 6:18 AM
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...of a candidate or orgaqnization by the vehemence with which they are denounced by the extreme right. It should be remembered that if a candidate or organization is intended by the ectreme right to be a bulwark against the left by gathering leftist forces into a "centrist" and "moderate" organization where they can be covertly neutralized, such attacks are standard procedure. Remember the DLC, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama? Don't pay too much attention to mere words.
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Opinions are like derrieres; everyone has one.
Posted by: Steve53 on Oct 26, 2009 6:29 AM
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Joshua wrote: "Six of 10 oppose the expansion of Israeli settlements...."
Interesting. This seems pretty un-American of these Jews. White Europeans overspread the north American continent, expropriating American Indians and the Mexicans. Americans are proud of their history. Perhaps American-Jews are not proud. White European interlopers - unlike the Israel's Jews - had no historic connection to this land and yet they did not blink an eye; in fact they strongly supported the expansion of the settlement movement, the buiding of outposts / forts on Indian lands and the further displacement and the ethnic cleansing of the American Indian. Again, Americans are proud of their history of conquest. What are American Jews thinking?
Joshua wrote: "56 percent believe that military action that kills Palestinian civilians -- even if it targets terrorists -- actually creates more terrorism instead of preventing terrorism," and while a majority supported Israel's "right" to launch last year's attack on the Gaza Strip, 60 percent of respondents said the campaign had either done nothing to enhance Israel's security or had in fact made the country less safe."
Should we not call this chutzpah to the extreme? How dare American Jews lecture Israel's Jews about security from the safety and the security of America! How dare you.
Interesting. This seems pretty un-American of these Jews. White Europeans overspread the north American continent, expropriating American Indians and the Mexicans. Americans are proud of their history. Perhaps American-Jews are not proud. White European interlopers - unlike the Israel's Jews - had no historic connection to this land and yet they did not blink an eye; in fact they strongly supported the expansion of the settlement movement, the buiding of outposts / forts on Indian lands and the further displacement and the ethnic cleansing of the American Indian. Again, Americans are proud of their history of conquest. What are American Jews thinking?
Joshua wrote: "56 percent believe that military action that kills Palestinian civilians -- even if it targets terrorists -- actually creates more terrorism instead of preventing terrorism," and while a majority supported Israel's "right" to launch last year's attack on the Gaza Strip, 60 percent of respondents said the campaign had either done nothing to enhance Israel's security or had in fact made the country less safe."
Should we not call this chutzpah to the extreme? How dare American Jews lecture Israel's Jews about security from the safety and the security of America! How dare you.
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» wow-this is the best you can do?
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» OK, but..
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» I accept part of your premise
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» RE: I accept part of your premise
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» Whose land?
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» Wrong
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» good luck with this one
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» RE: Wrong
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» Steve53 = Propaganda Galore
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» But in this case they are also wrong.
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» "Sderot" is the thieves' name for Najd.
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» Palestinians murdered 700 Jews during the British Mandate and vowed war against Palestine Partition.
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» RE: Opinions are like derrieres; everyone has one [Are you serious? Or just running an interference
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» I reject your premise
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» Israel IS a Terrorist State
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» Jew? Torah?
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» Self Appointed Jew
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» there you go again
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» RE: there you go again [You don't think it's about land? And other resources?
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» RE: I reject your premise
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» If Israel conducted it affairs
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» RE: If Israel conducted it affairs
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» Steve53 and his propaganda
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» Your wrong, this war the US is in is illegal, immoral, and a war crime and because they
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Don't Forget the Money -- It's Always About the Money
Posted by: madmac10 on Oct 26, 2009 6:39 AM
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I mean, I'm not a journalist. I haven't been following the paper trails too closely (please! Any journalists out there doing this regularly?) But I can still confidently state that this turf war is purely about dollar bills. Furthermore, I can confidently (though arguably prejudicially) conclude that this fight will get much uglier and will last much longer than anyone can yet foresee.
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Empire.........
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Oct 26, 2009 6:53 AM
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While I applaud the President for not falling in lockstep with AIPAC and at least be willing to hear from another side, I also believe that he needs to listen to the Palestinians. Real "friends" tell their "friends" things they want to hear, but more importantly things they NEED to hear but don't want to! The truth is America and Israel have the same concerns and interests, as America has with the rest of the world!
Why is it that any criticism of Israeli boorish behavior is considered anti-semitic, and yet the Palestinians who are being forcibly removed from lands they have lived on for years, and killed by the thousands is something that isn't talked about?! I wonder how many Americans being forcibly removed from their homes and lands would react under those conditions? And while "people" may complain, the fact is that Hamas was democratically voted into office by the Palestinian people! That "Hamas" was not the group of people that Israel wanted to deal with, is not legitimate enough for them to not even recognize that they are the leaders that the Palestinians wanted! I mean in 2004 the rest of the world was stunned and didn't want to deal with GWB in office again, especially after the previous 4 years of disaster, but the world didn't completely stop dealing with the United States!
It is past time that both Israel & both Hamas & Fatah reach a peace settlement. Yes it will be necessary for the President to bring force to bear on all parties! And yes the Israeli's must go back to the 1967 borders, and stop encroaching on Palestinian land. If Israel continues to throw obstacles to the peace process, then maybe the US should reconsider reducing the $10 million per day that they receive from US!
Why is it that any criticism of Israeli boorish behavior is considered anti-semitic, and yet the Palestinians who are being forcibly removed from lands they have lived on for years, and killed by the thousands is something that isn't talked about?! I wonder how many Americans being forcibly removed from their homes and lands would react under those conditions? And while "people" may complain, the fact is that Hamas was democratically voted into office by the Palestinian people! That "Hamas" was not the group of people that Israel wanted to deal with, is not legitimate enough for them to not even recognize that they are the leaders that the Palestinians wanted! I mean in 2004 the rest of the world was stunned and didn't want to deal with GWB in office again, especially after the previous 4 years of disaster, but the world didn't completely stop dealing with the United States!
It is past time that both Israel & both Hamas & Fatah reach a peace settlement. Yes it will be necessary for the President to bring force to bear on all parties! And yes the Israeli's must go back to the 1967 borders, and stop encroaching on Palestinian land. If Israel continues to throw obstacles to the peace process, then maybe the US should reconsider reducing the $10 million per day that they receive from US!
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It defends on the definition
Posted by: james108 on Oct 26, 2009 7:08 AM
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Democrats has been solidly baised for Israel for as long as republicans have.
Obama uses the old verbiage calling it terrorism when when Palestinians fight, even though they're rounded up in an apartheid shooting gallery and even humanitarian groups can barely help through Israel's iron blockade. He never uses the term terrorism when Israel murders, and did help right wing groups sabotage the Dubin II conference on racism. He implies threat when he mentiones Iran, even though they have the same human right of self determination as other countries, and they are being held to a higher standard while he ignores the nuclear threat to them from Israel.
He ignores the racist beginning of the Afghanistan war, where we refused the rule of law and a country offering to turn over bin Laden if we would hand over evidence.
It may not be right wing by your definition, but it's a shallow one if you're just asking if democrats will put a nicer face on racist exploitation. We still, in our "credible MSM", have never admitted we've even fought one war for oil, and we're still enriching multinational corporations watered in blood. "Credible" media can't even ask the ridiculous question if global resources and profiteering enrichment has anything to do with the murder of so many, though it has through much of history and now is no different, including self-righteous lies we tell ourselves. By my definition, having democrats do it, pretty it up with better rhetoric, and get more people to support it by supporting them doesn't help the world any.
Obama uses the old verbiage calling it terrorism when when Palestinians fight, even though they're rounded up in an apartheid shooting gallery and even humanitarian groups can barely help through Israel's iron blockade. He never uses the term terrorism when Israel murders, and did help right wing groups sabotage the Dubin II conference on racism. He implies threat when he mentiones Iran, even though they have the same human right of self determination as other countries, and they are being held to a higher standard while he ignores the nuclear threat to them from Israel.
He ignores the racist beginning of the Afghanistan war, where we refused the rule of law and a country offering to turn over bin Laden if we would hand over evidence.
It may not be right wing by your definition, but it's a shallow one if you're just asking if democrats will put a nicer face on racist exploitation. We still, in our "credible MSM", have never admitted we've even fought one war for oil, and we're still enriching multinational corporations watered in blood. "Credible" media can't even ask the ridiculous question if global resources and profiteering enrichment has anything to do with the murder of so many, though it has through much of history and now is no different, including self-righteous lies we tell ourselves. By my definition, having democrats do it, pretty it up with better rhetoric, and get more people to support it by supporting them doesn't help the world any.
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» I found out that historians use the MSM to track historical events....
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Jihad Must Be Defeated
Posted by: melpol on Oct 26, 2009 7:28 AM
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Posted by: melpol on Oct 26, 2009 7:28 AM
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Israel must be supported against Jihad. The following is a rant from a religious lunatic. “A small token of punishment has been shown to those that have turned their backs on Allah. But lightening bolts will soon strike the cities and burn the farms. The holy sword is returning and the flow of blood will cleanse the land. Satan and his followers have angered the mighty one. The tongues of infidels must be cut out and dissidents beheaded to quench the thirst of Allah. Only then will he smile again and bless us with peace.” Israel needs support to defend itself against madmen.
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» Your post sounds like an ad for the Holy Wars of 1000 B.C. or something!
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» Jihad and Zionism are both excuses for crimes...
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» Actually, your post sounds like Bush/cheney when they gave us warning of their false flags....
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Unfortunately, Israel has an Aparthied form of gov't that's just as wrong as it was in South Africa!
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Oct 26, 2009 11:29 AM
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This results in endless cycles of war, violence, & suffering!!!
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American Jews are waking up...a bit
Posted by: nap on Oct 26, 2009 2:27 PM
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Posted by: nap on Oct 26, 2009 2:27 PM
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Philip Weiss and Adam Horowitz wrote an article in The Nation covering the change in attitude towards Israel amongst american Jews. After Gaza a lot of jews were fed up, and the future will tell if this was only temporary (some people were upset in 82 as well)or if they'll start digging, a little, a lot, and put the legitimacy of the whole project into question. In a way JStreet is damage control, trying to keep everyone in the fold by providing a more reasonable alternative than AIPAC. Then again the value of JStreet is that they do present a more reasonable alternative than AIPAC.
It would be an exciting thing if the ball got rolling and american jews found the courage and support to find a voice separate from JStreet.
It would be an exciting thing if the ball got rolling and american jews found the courage and support to find a voice separate from JStreet.
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Amazing, the Ignorance here>>>>>
Posted by: EmilyCragg on Oct 26, 2009 2:49 PM
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You mean, you don't know the difference between JUDAISM and ZIONISM?
You mean, you don't know that all Jews ARE NOT Zionists and not ALL Zionists are Jews?
You mean, you think Zionism is identical with Judaism and Messianic Christianity, and you think ALL Conservatives are Zionists--even Constitutionalists who stand for Rule of Common and Natural [over coercive] Law?
Do you not know that Judaism is not a Semitic Religion; it's a political ideology?
Do you not know that "standing for governance BY CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED" is what Judaism was selected to DO--not stand for slavery and exploitation?
Do you think that the behavior of so-called "Ysrael" [which is nation operating as a Parliamentary Democracy] is absolutely opposed to governance by personal law-abiding consent?
I don't think you know very much about Judaism, natural Law, Constitutional governance or Hegelian Dialectics, which your article TITLE PROFFERS as its logic.
Honestly!
You mean, you don't know that all Jews ARE NOT Zionists and not ALL Zionists are Jews?
You mean, you think Zionism is identical with Judaism and Messianic Christianity, and you think ALL Conservatives are Zionists--even Constitutionalists who stand for Rule of Common and Natural [over coercive] Law?
Do you not know that Judaism is not a Semitic Religion; it's a political ideology?
Do you not know that "standing for governance BY CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED" is what Judaism was selected to DO--not stand for slavery and exploitation?
Do you think that the behavior of so-called "Ysrael" [which is nation operating as a Parliamentary Democracy] is absolutely opposed to governance by personal law-abiding consent?
I don't think you know very much about Judaism, natural Law, Constitutional governance or Hegelian Dialectics, which your article TITLE PROFFERS as its logic.
Honestly!
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Being truly "pro-Israel" means telling Israel to end the occupation
Posted by: Garvagh on Oct 26, 2009 4:04 PM
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Great piece. Israel will permanently compromise its security if it fails to end the occupation of the West Bank and the Golan Heights. Israel must get back in the box and make peace with its neighbors while it is dealing from a position of strength.
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» They should be careful of tricks though...
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Look at this Joshua. What do you say?
Posted by: Steve53 on Oct 26, 2009 4:49 PM
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J Street's university arm has dropped the "pro-Israel" part of the left-wing US lobby's "pro-Israel, pro-peace" slogan TO AVOID ALIENATING STUDENTS (emphasis mine).
That decision was part of the message conveyed to young activists who attended a special weekend program for students ahead of J Street's first annual conference, which began on Sunday.....
http://www.jpost.com/
That decision was part of the message conveyed to young activists who attended a special weekend program for students ahead of J Street's first annual conference, which began on Sunday.....
http://www.jpost.com/
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» What do you want me to say?
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» This is good news!
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Israel's nuclear weapons
Posted by: phila.ken on Oct 26, 2009 5:20 PM
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When are there going to be inspections of Israeli nuclear sites...considering they repeatedly say they have the right to use them against Iran.
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» shhh.... it's a secret
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Chicago Common Sense
Posted by: ChicagoCommonSense on Oct 29, 2009 8:42 PM
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Why not analyze and critique the 22 arab nations surrounding Israel which all suppress gay rights and women's rights, control the presses, and support 20 dictatorships. Maybe ponder how muslim blow each other to pieces at 100 a day--in markets, mosques. Ponder why War crimes only apply to Jews now and Darfur, Somolia and other hotspots are ignored.
Ever wonder why Arab and other non democratic governments demonize Israel--maybe to distract from their authoritarian and fear based societies. Why Israel has been the most attacked nation ever in the United Nations by the very nations that have the worse human rights records.
J Street may applaud a settlement freeze even it it rewards Palestinians while they still incite hatred and threaten a 3rd intifada. J Street may have forgotten that Israel offered 96% of the territories to Arafat including a capital in east Jerusalem in 2000 and was rewarded with the 2nd Intifida. Israel unilaterally withdrew from Lebanon and got His- bol -allah, a war in 2006 and today 40,000 rockets ready to go. Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza in 2005 and got Hamas and 8,000 rockets, and war in 2009.
The Israel government was dumb enough to do this withdrawal thing two times without a peace partner but seems finally to recognize a pattern here, dah, withdraw from the west bank area and that 9 mile wasteline between the sea and the west bank with get blasted..
Maybe the folks involved in AIPAC recognize this isn't so simple and
pressuring Israel is dangerous until there is a viable peace partner ready to end the conflict forever. . Unfortunately, no current leadership in the arab world today will take the risks necessary to secure a better life for the Palestinian people and peace if not possible. Maybe J Street can focus on fighting Israel bashing, educate the world on the strong human rights record of Israel compared to any western nation, and maybe J Street can try to develop a new generation of Arab leadership willing to lead--so Israel will benefit by any future concessions.
Ever wonder why Arab and other non democratic governments demonize Israel--maybe to distract from their authoritarian and fear based societies. Why Israel has been the most attacked nation ever in the United Nations by the very nations that have the worse human rights records.
J Street may applaud a settlement freeze even it it rewards Palestinians while they still incite hatred and threaten a 3rd intifada. J Street may have forgotten that Israel offered 96% of the territories to Arafat including a capital in east Jerusalem in 2000 and was rewarded with the 2nd Intifida. Israel unilaterally withdrew from Lebanon and got His- bol -allah, a war in 2006 and today 40,000 rockets ready to go. Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza in 2005 and got Hamas and 8,000 rockets, and war in 2009.
The Israel government was dumb enough to do this withdrawal thing two times without a peace partner but seems finally to recognize a pattern here, dah, withdraw from the west bank area and that 9 mile wasteline between the sea and the west bank with get blasted..
Maybe the folks involved in AIPAC recognize this isn't so simple and
pressuring Israel is dangerous until there is a viable peace partner ready to end the conflict forever. . Unfortunately, no current leadership in the arab world today will take the risks necessary to secure a better life for the Palestinian people and peace if not possible. Maybe J Street can focus on fighting Israel bashing, educate the world on the strong human rights record of Israel compared to any western nation, and maybe J Street can try to develop a new generation of Arab leadership willing to lead--so Israel will benefit by any future concessions.
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» RE: Chicago Zionist Liar is largely correct although I disagree with some of his conclusions.
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Posted by: otto on Oct 30, 2009 2:36 PM
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J 'Street appears to be for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict what the early war protesters were in the Vietnam War. I hope they're eventually successful too.
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Another take on J Street
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J STREET – The New Smiling Zionist Lobby.
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By Mark Bruzonsky
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