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The U.S. and Europe Have Propped Up So Many Corrupt "Democracies" That the Word Is Losing Meaning

What's next in a world where democracy has been so hollowed out?
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While we're still arguing about whether there's life after death, can we add another question to the cart? Is there life after democracy? What sort of life will it be? By "democracy" I don't mean democracy as an ideal or an aspiration. I mean the working model: Western liberal democracy, and its variants, such as they are.

So, is there life after democracy?

Attempts to answer this question often turn into a comparison of different systems of governance, and end with a somewhat prickly, combative defense of democracy. It's flawed, we say. It isn't perfect, but it's better than everything else that's on offer. Inevitably, someone in the room will say: "Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Somalia... is that what you would prefer?"

Whether democracy should be the utopia that all "developing" societies aspire to is a separate question altogether. (I think it should. The early, idealistic phase can be quite heady.) The question about life after democracy is addressed to those of us who already live in democracies, or in countries that pretend to be democracies. It isn't meant to suggest that we lapse into older, discredited models of totalitarian or authoritarian governance. It's meant to suggest that the system of representative democracy -- too much representation, too little democracy -- needs some structural adjustment.

The question here, really, is what have we done to democracy? What have we turned it into? What happens once democracy has been used up? When it has been hollowed out and emptied of meaning? What happens when each of its institutions has metastasized into something dangerous? What happens now that democracy and the free market have fused into a single predatory organism with a thin, constricted imagination that revolves almost entirely around the idea of maximizing profit?

Is it possible to reverse this process? Can something that has mutated go back to being what it used to be? What we need today, for the sake of the survival of this planet, is long-term vision. Can governments whose very survival depends on immediate, extractive, short-term gain provide this? Could it be that democracy, the sacred answer to our short-term hopes and prayers, the protector of our individual freedoms and nurturer of our avaricious dreams, will turn out to be the endgame for the human race? Could it be that democracy is such a hit with modern humans precisely because it mirrors our greatest folly -- our nearsightedness?

Our inability to live entirely in the present (like most animals do), combined with our inability to see very far into the future, makes us strange in-between creatures, neither beast nor prophet. Our amazing intelligence seems to have outstripped our instinct for survival. We plunder the earth hoping that accumulating material surplus will make up for the profound, unfathomable thing that we have lost. It would be conceit to pretend I have the answers to any of these questions. But it does look as if the beacon could be failing and democracy can perhaps no longer be relied upon to deliver the justice and stability we once dreamed it would.

A Clerk of Resistance

As a writer, a fiction writer, I have often wondered whether the attempt to always be precise, to try and get it all factually right somehow reduces the epic scale of what is really going on. Does it eventually mask a larger truth? I worry that I am allowing myself to be railroaded into offering prosaic, factual precision when maybe what we need is a feral howl, or the transformative power and real precision of poetry.

Something about the cunning, Brahmanical, intricate, bureaucratic, file-bound, "apply-through-proper-channels" nature of governance and subjugation in India seems to have made a clerk out of me. My only excuse is to say that it takes odd tools to uncover the maze of subterfuge and hypocrisy that cloaks the callousness and the cold, calculated violence of the world's favorite new superpower. Repression "through proper channels" sometimes engenders resistance "through proper channels." As resistance goes this isn't enough, I know. But for now, it's all I have. Perhaps someday it will become the underpinning for poetry and for the feral howl.

Today, words like "progress" and "development" have become interchangeable with economic "reforms," "deregulation," and "privatization." Freedom has come to mean choice. It has less to do with the human spirit than with different brands of deodorant. Market no longer means a place where you buy provisions. The "market" is a de-territorialized space where faceless corporations do business, including buying and selling "futures." Justice has come to mean human rights (and of those, as they say, "a few will do").


Arundhati Roy was born in 1959 in Shillong, India. She studied architecture in New Delhi, where she now lives. She has worked as a film designer and screenplay writer in India. Roy is the author of the novel The God of Small Things, for which she received the 1997 Booker Prize. Her new book, just published by Haymarket Books, is Field Notes on Democracy: Listening to Grasshoppers. This post is adapted from the introduction to that book.
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In Europe and Canada, third parties have a voice. Not in this country.
Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 30, 2009 12:32 AM   
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On the media, on the debates, and even on some ballots, no chance is given to third parties or just independent candidates themselves. Oh yeah, we're a "democracy" alright, a bullshit "democracy" where all we're gonna do is pick between BULLSHIT A and BULLSHIT B. Pick your poison !

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The British Still Haunt the Sub Continent ... and the Rest of the World
Posted by: mmckinl on Sep 30, 2009 1:27 AM   
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Besides the ill thought lines of partition and the legacy of endless bureaucracy the British left the legacy of fractional reserve banking and military supremacy ...

The British Banking system, through fractional reserve banking, made available all the funds needed to plunder colonies and fight wars ...

The only problem ... Fractional Reserve Banking can only survive if it never stops growing ... like cancer.

The British system, Privately run, publicly underwritten banking has pervaded the world.

Since with this system money is only created with debt then more and more money must be created just to survive the interest being accumulated.

To underwrite this ever growing debt more and more of the world's resources must be plundered.

The military creates false growth while enabling foreign threats and domestic repression.

Recessions and Depessions are part and parcel of this fractional reserve leveraged money as economies can not outgrow interest payments and debt becomes unpayable.

Unless and until we implement Sovereign Money, money printed without debt, the game of banksterism with military protection will never stop.

The banksters monopoly on the creation of the world's money and the military power they support will destroy the earth, as they are doing now ...

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What have we done to democracy?
Posted by: Lese Majeste on Sep 30, 2009 3:38 AM   
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We killed it.

We were too busy blabbing about last night's 'Big Game.' Or gossiping about the latest Hollywood blonde bimbo du jour. Or spending endless hours shopping in malls with maxed out credit cards. Or watching some worthless soap opera filled with violence, sexual innuendoes and nudity.

All aided and abetted by worthless MSM outlets pretending to be news, but actually nothing more than propaganda outlets for Wall Streeet, the Pentagon and Israel.

Brainwashed by endless programming that made any thoughts about the illegal and immoral Iraq War VERBOTEN, what are you, 'un-American?'

Now that we're fat, stupid and apathetic, we can only lay around like hogs on the slaughterhouse floor.

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In Case You Missed Them ... Two New Books !
Posted by: mmckinl on Sep 30, 2009 5:40 AM   
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Kantina VanDen Fluffles:

1001 Ways It's Not Obama's Fault

and

Victim de Vasectomy"s

Deniable Denial

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We monetized our democracy and sold it to the highest bidder
Posted by: MeyravLevine on Sep 30, 2009 5:50 AM   
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And so rich and powerful special interest groups fronting for mega-corporations dictate our legislation in every which way.

The steady rise of corporate power has completely corrupted our democracy without a chance of fixing it.

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When was the democracy
Posted by: daw13 on Sep 30, 2009 7:02 AM   
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we need to get back to? Jefferson's democracy for propertied people? Andrew Jackson's democracy for the white? The ruling class's permission to workers to choose which wage slavers they wished to submit to?

The only argument I have with this wonderful article and truly heroic writer is that our goal should finally be something we can envision, but have only ever really had in our wishful dreams.

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I am not sure exactly what "Democracy" means anymore
Posted by: wtfo on Sep 30, 2009 9:00 AM   
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- be it American style Democracy, European style Democracy or any other type for that matter. What I AM pretty sure of, however, is that just about every current form of Democracy is facing a non-sustainable future if things don't change soon.

Things just cannot grow indefinitely. I don't care if it is population, per-capita income, corporate profits, GNP/GDP, government, or militia. Eventually all growing things must either stop growing or die off altogether. Natural things seem to have accepted this concept but human beings have not. Human beings evidently are too short-sighted to think beyond their own lifetimes and, therefore, when faced with choices they will almost always choose an ever-growing present over a sustainable future.

I think that in the scale of all previous societies and their forms of government, American-style Democratic governance is still pretty young and there is no real evidence that it can sustain itself for much longer. Perhaps our founding fathers were wise enough to envision and create a government that could, theoretically, exist for millennia - but, regardless of their initial plans, it has morphed into something that will soon hit its limits and will either be forced to stop growing or maybe even destroy itself altogether.

I personally hope that before this happens "We The People" finally stop the madness and re-evaluate exactly what OUR Democracy SHOULD be. Who it should serve. What it should offer its people. What it should offer other societies. What it should provide to the future of its citizens and the rest of the people and creatures that inhabit our planet. However, I am rapidly losing hope and have come to believe that our current form of Democracy IS NOT something that I would wish on the rest of the world...

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"Democracy"............
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Sep 30, 2009 9:08 AM   
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Americans haven't really had "democracy" for a while now, its just that Americans don't know it! Americans have allowed themselves to become dumbed down, whether its because of super shopping & maxing out those credit cards, under-funded education, fundamentalist religion, television ad nauseum, bloviating talking heads, "culture issues", or whatever new distraction those in power think up!

Do we choose the democracy of Jefferson who didn't believe in the same for women and minorities, or the democracy of Jackson, or Monroe whose own Monroe Doctrine gave justification to exterminate the Native Nations that "stood in the way" of progress! And still, this nation and her government continue, whether it is propping up dictators (Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc.) that are useful to "American" interests (read: OIL), or because American interests might be in jeapordy (Iraq under Mohammad Mosaddeq, or Cuba), or any number of other instances where "the government" has participated in Empire under the guise of "DEMOCRACY" in the name of "we the people"!

I realize that Americans like to forget, and don't believe in either understanding or remembering history, but we do so at our own peril! Hell, how are "WE" supposed to export what "WE" don't have! Even as this nation was "supposedly preparing" to go to war - those few that asked the questions that needed to be asked were called TRAITORS, how is that democracy? Even now the ignorant right most of whom don't realize that they are fighting for the Corporate Welfare Status Quo haven't even stopped to do any real analytical thinking about what they are doing! Yeah, democracy isn't that grand!

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A refreshing moment to see this problem in a non-'Merkaan context
Posted by: DaBear on Sep 30, 2009 9:40 AM   
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What I really enjoy about this Roy piece is that she's looking at the same bullshit we 'Merkaans have to contend with but she barely mentions us... she's seeing it in India through Indian eyes.

It's a refreshing change to see our clusterfuck through someone else's oddly similar looking clusterfuck and serves to remind us that we are indeed all related.

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Imagine!
Posted by: badkitty on Sep 30, 2009 10:38 AM   
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Imagine! I thought this article was going to be about the United States, instead, it had a focus on India and Kashmir. The author brought up a very interesting point, about how democracy seems to focus on instant gratification, not a long term vision. This is fascinating to me, because I was raised by Calvinist (non-religious), Depression-era parents who strongly believed in delayed gratification and that what was good for most would be good for them in the long term (pay taxes for environmental clean up would reduce long term health care costs, etc.) They had no objection to paying taxes for public services like sanitation--for the good of all--and no objection to anything that might cost more in the near term but less in the long term. They believed that good education would result in a better life for all, and they didn't mind paying for good/great public education. But what I see now is a country that cannot see beyond the next five minutes, literally. People vote for their own self-interest in the short term, and are unable to understand that this might result in a very unhappy long term. Here in California, we are reaping the results of Proposition 13--our education system, our infrastructure, and our services are being gutted by the belief of people in 1978 that they would be better off with lower property taxes. I have no idea what it would take to get people to look at the long term ramifications of what they do, but I'm pretty sure that they won't be doing that in a democratic way...

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America is NOT a democracy, but an EMPIRE
Posted by: amacd on Sep 30, 2009 1:49 PM   
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Tommy Friedman's insane column this morning, "Where did 'We' Go?" caused me to write this post to the NYT which they did not post:

"Tommy, America, our country, is no longer our country, or a democracy.

Rather it is a ruling-elite corporate/financial EMPIRE hiding behind the facade of a two-party, 'Vichy' sham of democracy.

The American people learned in 1775 that there can be no "we" when you are controlled by an Empire. (period)

The issue, dear Tommy, is whether we, the real citizens, want to live under democracy or Empire, and there can be none of your 'soft logic' middle-ground on that issue!

As Hannah Arendt presciently warned based on her understanding of the Nazi Empire (and all other Empires), "Empire abroad (always) entails tyranny at home."

Yes, Tom, 'we' can fight Empire and restore our democracy --- but that ‘we’ does NOT include the Empire!"

For many years now I have found myself responding to almost all progressives, like Arundhati Roy here, and anti-progressives, like Tommy, in the same way --- saying to all who will listen, "America is no longer a democracy, but an Empire".

Many progressives seem to fell, "Yes, we know it's an Empire". But they really don't try to focus on this seminal truth of Empireness, nor educate the general population, nor try to prove that America IS an Empire --- they just agree that it is, and then go on talking about lots of subsidiary issues that are all caused by the FACT that American IS an EMPIRE, like; health insurance oppression, Iraq and Afghanistan wars, MIC weapons sales, economic tyranny, etc., etc.

I've written here, in CommonDreams, and OP-Ed News and elsewhere lots and lots about how America REALLY IS a ruling-elite corporate/financial EMPIRE, which controls our country behind the facade of its 'owned' two-party, 'Vichy' sham of democracy (and equally corporate/'Vichy' MSM whores), but just writing and pleading about this doesn't seem to do much to actually drill in this fact.

So now, I'm thinking that maybe we need, a measure, a metric, a way of actually proving that America really is an Empire --- so I've designed an 'EMPIRE INDEX' which quantifies how much of an Empire any country is --- and by this Index America is the biggest, ugliest, nastiest EMPIRE that ever existed.

So I am now proposing and promoting the following as an 'Empire Index' to deny the forces of the Empire, which control our country, from being able to get away with disguising itself as 'democracy' --- and to tag the ruling-elite global corporate/financial Empire with actually being seen for the true Empire that it is.

Hopefully, winning such a pivotal battle would open Americans' eyes and place us again in the position of our founding American colonists in fighting and prevailing over the British (political-economic) Empire in our first American Revolution (against Empire).

My proposed 'Empire Index' would be based on the truth that Hannah Arendt presciently noted of all Empires from her thoughts during the era of the Nazi Empire: "Empire abroad, (always) entails tyranny at home".

Thus the 'Empire Index' would be based on two key foreign measures or data elements of how Empires act militarily 'abroad' (to enforce their imperialism) and two elements of how Empires oppress and tyrannize their own domestic citizens.

The 'Empire Index' for any country that is to be evaluated on its 'Empireness' would include that country's:

1. Percentage of world wide weapons sales multiplied by

2. it's number of global military bases multiplied by

3. it's GINI Coefficient of Income Inequality of it's own citizens multiplied by

4. it's percentage of citizens imprisoned.

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Ideological absurdity
Posted by: maxsmart on Oct 1, 2009 11:40 AM   
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Communism had the same problem with appearance and reality. Conceptual systems are flawed and tend to be driven to the point of their own absurdity if taken in a rigid way.

Defining every action and infraction in society in order to to be fair is fairly impossible. But making everything fit just a few pigeonholes is just as bad.

War itself is a resort to the end justifies the means and allows us lots of acceptable collateral damages but considers it much differently when we are someone else's collateral damage. never forget 9/11 but forget the Iranian flight in 1989.

There are no rules for empathy and compassion but when we don't have it things always go horribly wrong.

The yin-yang symbol is illustration of the interdependence of parts and whole. Neither should be diappeared, both must be protected.
Globalization cannot be used to destroy the biodiversity or cultural differences and localization, both are critical to our survival.

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BRILLIANT ARTICLE
Posted by: wagnerrocks@gmail.com on Oct 2, 2009 12:25 PM   
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LOOKING FOR THE BOOK.

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Bad News
Posted by: vertical on Oct 5, 2009 3:55 PM   
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America is a corupt democracy!

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In Europe and Canada, third parties have a voice. Not in this country.
Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 30, 2009 12:32 AM   
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On the media, on the debates, and even on some ballots, no chance is given to third parties or just independent candidates themselves. Oh yeah, we're a "democracy" alright, a bullshit "democracy" where all we're gonna do is pick between BULLSHIT A and BULLSHIT B. Pick your poison !

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The British Still Haunt the Sub Continent ... and the Rest of the World
Posted by: mmckinl on Sep 30, 2009 1:27 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Besides the ill thought lines of partition and the legacy of endless bureaucracy the British left the legacy of fractional reserve banking and military supremacy ...

The British Banking system, through fractional reserve banking, made available all the funds needed to plunder colonies and fight wars ...

The only problem ... Fractional Reserve Banking can only survive if it never stops growing ... like cancer.

The British system, Privately run, publicly underwritten banking has pervaded the world.

Since with this system money is only created with debt then more and more money must be created just to survive the interest being accumulated.

To underwrite this ever growing debt more and more of the world's resources must be plundered.

The military creates false growth while enabling foreign threats and domestic repression.

Recessions and Depessions are part and parcel of this fractional reserve leveraged money as economies can not outgrow interest payments and debt becomes unpayable.

Unless and until we implement Sovereign Money, money printed without debt, the game of banksterism with military protection will never stop.

The banksters monopoly on the creation of the world's money and the military power they support will destroy the earth, as they are doing now ...

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What have we done to democracy?
Posted by: Lese Majeste on Sep 30, 2009 3:38 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
We killed it.

We were too busy blabbing about last night's 'Big Game.' Or gossiping about the latest Hollywood blonde bimbo du jour. Or spending endless hours shopping in malls with maxed out credit cards. Or watching some worthless soap opera filled with violence, sexual innuendoes and nudity.

All aided and abetted by worthless MSM outlets pretending to be news, but actually nothing more than propaganda outlets for Wall Streeet, the Pentagon and Israel.

Brainwashed by endless programming that made any thoughts about the illegal and immoral Iraq War VERBOTEN, what are you, 'un-American?'

Now that we're fat, stupid and apathetic, we can only lay around like hogs on the slaughterhouse floor.

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In Case You Missed Them ... Two New Books !
Posted by: mmckinl on Sep 30, 2009 5:40 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Kantina VanDen Fluffles:

1001 Ways It's Not Obama's Fault

and

Victim de Vasectomy"s

Deniable Denial

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We monetized our democracy and sold it to the highest bidder
Posted by: MeyravLevine on Sep 30, 2009 5:50 AM   
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And so rich and powerful special interest groups fronting for mega-corporations dictate our legislation in every which way.

The steady rise of corporate power has completely corrupted our democracy without a chance of fixing it.

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When was the democracy
Posted by: daw13 on Sep 30, 2009 7:02 AM   
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we need to get back to? Jefferson's democracy for propertied people? Andrew Jackson's democracy for the white? The ruling class's permission to workers to choose which wage slavers they wished to submit to?

The only argument I have with this wonderful article and truly heroic writer is that our goal should finally be something we can envision, but have only ever really had in our wishful dreams.

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I am not sure exactly what "Democracy" means anymore
Posted by: wtfo on Sep 30, 2009 9:00 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
- be it American style Democracy, European style Democracy or any other type for that matter. What I AM pretty sure of, however, is that just about every current form of Democracy is facing a non-sustainable future if things don't change soon.

Things just cannot grow indefinitely. I don't care if it is population, per-capita income, corporate profits, GNP/GDP, government, or militia. Eventually all growing things must either stop growing or die off altogether. Natural things seem to have accepted this concept but human beings have not. Human beings evidently are too short-sighted to think beyond their own lifetimes and, therefore, when faced with choices they will almost always choose an ever-growing present over a sustainable future.

I think that in the scale of all previous societies and their forms of government, American-style Democratic governance is still pretty young and there is no real evidence that it can sustain itself for much longer. Perhaps our founding fathers were wise enough to envision and create a government that could, theoretically, exist for millennia - but, regardless of their initial plans, it has morphed into something that will soon hit its limits and will either be forced to stop growing or maybe even destroy itself altogether.

I personally hope that before this happens "We The People" finally stop the madness and re-evaluate exactly what OUR Democracy SHOULD be. Who it should serve. What it should offer its people. What it should offer other societies. What it should provide to the future of its citizens and the rest of the people and creatures that inhabit our planet. However, I am rapidly losing hope and have come to believe that our current form of Democracy IS NOT something that I would wish on the rest of the world...

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"Democracy"............
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Sep 30, 2009 9:08 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Americans haven't really had "democracy" for a while now, its just that Americans don't know it! Americans have allowed themselves to become dumbed down, whether its because of super shopping & maxing out those credit cards, under-funded education, fundamentalist religion, television ad nauseum, bloviating talking heads, "culture issues", or whatever new distraction those in power think up!

Do we choose the democracy of Jefferson who didn't believe in the same for women and minorities, or the democracy of Jackson, or Monroe whose own Monroe Doctrine gave justification to exterminate the Native Nations that "stood in the way" of progress! And still, this nation and her government continue, whether it is propping up dictators (Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc.) that are useful to "American" interests (read: OIL), or because American interests might be in jeapordy (Iraq under Mohammad Mosaddeq, or Cuba), or any number of other instances where "the government" has participated in Empire under the guise of "DEMOCRACY" in the name of "we the people"!

I realize that Americans like to forget, and don't believe in either understanding or remembering history, but we do so at our own peril! Hell, how are "WE" supposed to export what "WE" don't have! Even as this nation was "supposedly preparing" to go to war - those few that asked the questions that needed to be asked were called TRAITORS, how is that democracy? Even now the ignorant right most of whom don't realize that they are fighting for the Corporate Welfare Status Quo haven't even stopped to do any real analytical thinking about what they are doing! Yeah, democracy isn't that grand!

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A refreshing moment to see this problem in a non-'Merkaan context
Posted by: DaBear on Sep 30, 2009 9:40 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
What I really enjoy about this Roy piece is that she's looking at the same bullshit we 'Merkaans have to contend with but she barely mentions us... she's seeing it in India through Indian eyes.

It's a refreshing change to see our clusterfuck through someone else's oddly similar looking clusterfuck and serves to remind us that we are indeed all related.

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Imagine!
Posted by: badkitty on Sep 30, 2009 10:38 AM   
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Imagine! I thought this article was going to be about the United States, instead, it had a focus on India and Kashmir. The author brought up a very interesting point, about how democracy seems to focus on instant gratification, not a long term vision. This is fascinating to me, because I was raised by Calvinist (non-religious), Depression-era parents who strongly believed in delayed gratification and that what was good for most would be good for them in the long term (pay taxes for environmental clean up would reduce long term health care costs, etc.) They had no objection to paying taxes for public services like sanitation--for the good of all--and no objection to anything that might cost more in the near term but less in the long term. They believed that good education would result in a better life for all, and they didn't mind paying for good/great public education. But what I see now is a country that cannot see beyond the next five minutes, literally. People vote for their own self-interest in the short term, and are unable to understand that this might result in a very unhappy long term. Here in California, we are reaping the results of Proposition 13--our education system, our infrastructure, and our services are being gutted by the belief of people in 1978 that they would be better off with lower property taxes. I have no idea what it would take to get people to look at the long term ramifications of what they do, but I'm pretty sure that they won't be doing that in a democratic way...

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America is NOT a democracy, but an EMPIRE
Posted by: amacd on Sep 30, 2009 1:49 PM   
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Tommy Friedman's insane column this morning, "Where did 'We' Go?" caused me to write this post to the NYT which they did not post:

"Tommy, America, our country, is no longer our country, or a democracy.

Rather it is a ruling-elite corporate/financial EMPIRE hiding behind the facade of a two-party, 'Vichy' sham of democracy.

The American people learned in 1775 that there can be no "we" when you are controlled by an Empire. (period)

The issue, dear Tommy, is whether we, the real citizens, want to live under democracy or Empire, and there can be none of your 'soft logic' middle-ground on that issue!

As Hannah Arendt presciently warned based on her understanding of the Nazi Empire (and all other Empires), "Empire abroad (always) entails tyranny at home."

Yes, Tom, 'we' can fight Empire and restore our democracy --- but that ‘we’ does NOT include the Empire!"

For many years now I have found myself responding to almost all progressives, like Arundhati Roy here, and anti-progressives, like Tommy, in the same way --- saying to all who will listen, "America is no longer a democracy, but an Empire".

Many progressives seem to fell, "Yes, we know it's an Empire". But they really don't try to focus on this seminal truth of Empireness, nor educate the general population, nor try to prove that America IS an Empire --- they just agree that it is, and then go on talking about lots of subsidiary issues that are all caused by the FACT that American IS an EMPIRE, like; health insurance oppression, Iraq and Afghanistan wars, MIC weapons sales, economic tyranny, etc., etc.

I've written here, in CommonDreams, and OP-Ed News and elsewhere lots and lots about how America REALLY IS a ruling-elite corporate/financial EMPIRE, which controls our country behind the facade of its 'owned' two-party, 'Vichy' sham of democracy (and equally corporate/'Vichy' MSM whores), but just writing and pleading about this doesn't seem to do much to actually drill in this fact.

So now, I'm thinking that maybe we need, a measure, a metric, a way of actually proving that America really is an Empire --- so I've designed an 'EMPIRE INDEX' which quantifies how much of an Empire any country is --- and by this Index America is the biggest, ugliest, nastiest EMPIRE that ever existed.

So I am now proposing and promoting the following as an 'Empire Index' to deny the forces of the Empire, which control our country, from being able to get away with disguising itself as 'democracy' --- and to tag the ruling-elite global corporate/financial Empire with actually being seen for the true Empire that it is.

Hopefully, winning such a pivotal battle would open Americans' eyes and place us again in the position of our founding American colonists in fighting and prevailing over the British (political-economic) Empire in our first American Revolution (against Empire).

My proposed 'Empire Index' would be based on the truth that Hannah Arendt presciently noted of all Empires from her thoughts during the era of the Nazi Empire: "Empire abroad, (always) entails tyranny at home".

Thus the 'Empire Index' would be based on two key foreign measures or data elements of how Empires act militarily 'abroad' (to enforce their imperialism) and two elements of how Empires oppress and tyrannize their own domestic citizens.

The 'Empire Index' for any country that is to be evaluated on its 'Empireness' would include that country's:

1. Percentage of world wide weapons sales multiplied by

2. it's number of global military bases multiplied by

3. it's GINI Coefficient of Income Inequality of it's own citizens multiplied by

4. it's percentage of citizens imprisoned.

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Ideological absurdity
Posted by: maxsmart on Oct 1, 2009 11:40 AM   
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Communism had the same problem with appearance and reality. Conceptual systems are flawed and tend to be driven to the point of their own absurdity if taken in a rigid way.

Defining every action and infraction in society in order to to be fair is fairly impossible. But making everything fit just a few pigeonholes is just as bad.

War itself is a resort to the end justifies the means and allows us lots of acceptable collateral damages but considers it much differently when we are someone else's collateral damage. never forget 9/11 but forget the Iranian flight in 1989.

There are no rules for empathy and compassion but when we don't have it things always go horribly wrong.

The yin-yang symbol is illustration of the interdependence of parts and whole. Neither should be diappeared, both must be protected.
Globalization cannot be used to destroy the biodiversity or cultural differences and localization, both are critical to our survival.

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BRILLIANT ARTICLE
Posted by: wagnerrocks@gmail.com on Oct 2, 2009 12:25 PM   
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LOOKING FOR THE BOOK.

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Bad News
Posted by: vertical on Oct 5, 2009 3:55 PM   
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America is a corupt democracy!

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