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Obama Is Leading the U.S. Into a Hellish Quagmire

Obama is doubling down in Afghanistan with more troops deployed now than the Soviets ever had, at a time when public support for it is sinking like a rock.
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America now has more military personnel in Afghanistan than the Red Army had at the peak of the Soviet invasion and occupation of that country. According to a Congressional Research Service report, as of March of this year, the U.S. had 52,000 uniformed personnel and another 68,000 contractors in Afghanistan -- a number that has likely grown given the blank check President Obama has written for what's now being called "Obama's War."

That makes 120,000 American military personnel fighting in Afghanistan, a figure higher than the Soviet peak troop figure of 115,000 during their catastrophic 9-year war. Just this week, General McChrystal, whom Obama appointed to command American forces in Afghanistan, is talking ofsending tens of thousands more American troops. At the height of the Soviet occupation,Western intelligence experts estimated that the Soviets had 115,000 troops in Afghanistan -- but like America, the more troops and the longer the Soviets stayed, the more doomed their military mission became.

We're also heading into the same casualty trap as the Soviets did. This summer has been the deadliest in the eight-year war for American troops. While the number of uniformed Americans killed in combat in Afghanistan may seem comparatively low -- just over 800, most of those since 2007 -- the Soviets also suffered relatively light casualties. Between December 1979 and February 1989, just 13,000 Soviets were killed in Afghanistan, a seemingly paltry figure when you compare it to the 20 million Soviets killed in World War Two, and the millions upon millions who died in the Civil War and Stalin's Terror. Unlike America, Russians have a reputation for tolerating appalling casualty figures -- and yet the war in Afghanistan destroyed the Soviet Empire. Which only proves that crude number comparisons explain nothing at all in warfare today, particularly when that war is an occupation of an alien environment like Afghanistan.

Why hasn't anyone pointed out that America's troop commitment now exceeds the Red Army's? For some inexplicable reason the corporate media has decided to shuffle the figures and exclude the US military contractors from the total figure of US military personnel. It makes no logical sense -- we still count the Hessians among the British forces in the War of Independence. It's as if the only thing left that Americans are capable of is accounting fraud -- the only talent we perfected over the past decade was how to move all the bad numbers off the official books, as if it's become an instinctive reflex.

But just as those accounting tricks didn't change all those banks' and funds' insolvency, so the American media's troop-counting tricks, in which contractors are "off books," can't make the disaster in Afghanistan disappear. We're already more deeply invested in our Afghanistan war than the Russians were, and as we head into our ninth year -- the magic number for when the Soviets pulled out and their empire collapsed -- President Obama is dragging the country deeper into that disaster. (Moreover, if you add in all the NATO personnel -- useless as they are as a "fighting" force -- the number of Western troops already far exceeds the number deployed in the Soviet Union's "unwinnable" war.)

The Afghanistan War has somehow escaped most of America's attention. People just assumed that since Obama is a decent guy with a sharper mind than Bush's, he must know what he's doing in Afghanistan, and his intentions can't be bad -- so why bother paying attention, when we have all these other problems here at home? Besides, war isn't a fun topic anymore. Thanks to Bush and Cheney, any talk of war is a total bummer, whether you're from the right or the left. And Americans don't like bummers -- instead, America is always "moving on" from its bummers. Nothing bums Americans out more than losing wars, which helps explain why Afghanistan is the most we've-moved-on subject of our time. The problem is that you can't move on from something while it's still a problem -- but try telling that to a nation of delusionals.

Remember how long after Vietnam it took for for Americans to "move on" and get their war appetite back on? It took a decade before we could talk about 'Nam again, and that probably would have gone on longer if it wasn't for the kick-ass performance by Robert Duvall as Col Kilgore stirring a new generation's blood lust. (For a taste of just how cinematic this budding tragedy could be,< a href="http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/10/in_afghanistan_with_the_isaf.html">click here to check out these amazing photos.) We suffered then from "Vietnam Syndrome," which was a strange way of assigning a mental illness to a totally rational aversion to invading far-away countries. This time it's going to be even worse, though: given our 0-2 war record this decade, and the shameful way that America's pseudo-imperialists snatched defeat from the jaws of victory in Iraq and Afghanistan, like a nation of Bill Buckners, it's no wonder no one here wants to talk about Afghanistan.

Since we've already long ago "moved on" from Afghanistan, it means that our agony of defeat there will be far more painful than anything we've experienced before. The most frustrating thing is how obvious this catastrophe is: Obama is leading America into a predictable sequel of superpower-loses-in-hellish-Third-World-quagmire: he's doubling down troops in a war fewer people understand, a war that's growingincreasingly unpopularas the casualty count accelerates; investing more into a corrupt regime which just stole elections in a way that would make the hardliners in neighboring Iran blush; suicide bombers are beingdirected by the Afghan defense department to blow up American journalists, leading to a dusty version of the ol' "who's in charge here?" "I thought you were"; and now, the American right wing -- the only thing that approximates a real opposition this country -- is having a collective Walter Cronkite moment, withGeorge Will of all people leading the call for the West to pull its forces out now in order to limit the defeat's damage. George fucking Will as the conscience of our nation?! This must be what Marx meant by tragedy turning to farce.

And through it all, the Russians must beenjoying America's decline more than anyone, after all the gloating we did over their downfall: in our two nations' ongoing Tom & Jerry Show, America's looming defeat is shaping up to be Russia's revenge on America's revenge for what Russia did to America in Vietnam.

Which reminds me of an interview a couple of years ago I did with a former top Soviet advisor to the puppet Afghan government's General Staff, Pyotr Goncharov. I was still in Moscow then, and I was working on a story to counter the then-popular neocon meme that Iraq wasn't really the disastrous war that its critics said it was because after all, "only" 4,000 Americans died there. A lot of Russian nationalists still argue that they could have won the war in Afghanistan and that it wasn't going so badly, given the low body count--and yet the empire collapsed there. I was curious why even a police state like the Soviet Union collapsed, and what lesson America could learn from that.

And this is where it got strange, because the first thing Goncharov said to me when I met him was, "I just want to say to you that what the Americans are doing in Afghanistan is perfect. You're doing everything right that we did wrong over there. You're not making any of our mistakes, and with my experience there, I can only commend you." Goncharov told me he was the top Soviet advisor to the Afghan regime's joint chiefs of staff from 1986-9, the year of the pullout, and today he is a leading military analyst on Afghanistan issues for state RIA-Novosti. He wasn't interested in my line of questioning about why low body counts are so devastating to superpowers -- instead, all he wanted to talk about was what a great man John McCain is. "Everything he proposes for the war in Afghanistan is exactly right. He really knows what he's talking about," Goncharov said. Then his otherwise cheerful face took on a confused almost dour expression: "But I have to ask: is it really possible that Americans will elect Barack Obama? Because this would be a disaster for the world. If Obama is president and he withdraws from Afghanistan, the whole world will pay, much worse than we all paid after the Soviet pullout. It can't really be possible that Obama will win, could it? I can't believe America would do that."

Now we know how it really turned out: Barack Obama won the presidency, but in terms of dealing with Bush's war legacy it may as well have been McCain. Because Obama's Afghanistan War policy is indistinguishable from McCain's, which is why McCain has nothing but good things to say about Obama's conduct of the war. I always wondered after that interview with Goncharov what his reasoning was for supporting another Republican president, given the disaster America suffered under Bush: did he want America to get sucked into Afghanistan and collapse like his country did, out of vengeful spite? Or was Goncharov being sincere, as I think he was? My guess is that Goncharov really wanted McCain and genuinely liked him, because McCain was someone a military man like Goncharov could understand. And anyway, as intelligent and refined as Goncharov was, he proved what Obama is proving today: we never learn from our mistakes, as much as we pretend we do.

Call it "Afghanistan Syndrome": Twenty years ago, Afghanistan was Russia's "Vietnam"; today, Afghanistan is becoming America's "Afghanistan." Obama is walking into this disaster like one of the doomed victims from the Scream series: everyone, including the protagonists, knows that it's going to be a disaster, everyone's seen the script so many times they can recite it from heart. And yet Obama's leading the nation into the trap all over again. And Obama can't even be compared to LBJ, who at least managed to give millions of Americans Medicare. What will Obama's legacy be? The PPIP program? Protecting AIG's bonuses?
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RE: Change you can believe in! GOTCHA! HAHAHA
Posted by: peridot on Sep 3, 2009 2:46 AM   
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It's so.............Clintonian!

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Looks like alternet is trying to block my continuing commenting...
Posted by: CynicI on Sep 3, 2009 8:05 AM   
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... I had to sneak in here and when I finish and wait for it to come up they deaden the links so I can't comment anymore.

Why? Have I really hit the nail on the head?

If you don't see anymore of my comments, you know they have succeeded cause I care about this very issue so I have no intentions of stopping posting.

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Meet the New Boss ... Same As the Old Boss ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Sep 3, 2009 1:22 AM   
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Bush's Third Term? You're Living It

David Swanson

September 02, 2009 "TomDispatch"

"If Bush were in his third term, we would already have seen him propose, yet again, the largest military budget in the history of the world. We might well have seen him pretend he was including war funding in the standard budget, and then claim that one final supplemental war budget was still needed, immediately after which he would surely announce that yet another war supplemental bill would be needed down the road. And of course, he would have held onto his Secretary of Defense from his second term, Robert Gates, to run the Pentagon, keep our ongoing wars rolling along, and oversee the better part of our public budget.

Bush would undoubtedly be following through on the agreement he signed with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki for all U.S. troops to leave Iraq by the end of 2011 (except where he chose not to follow through). His generals would, in the meantime, be leaking word that the United States never intended to actually leave. He'd surely be maintaining current levels of troops in Iraq, while sending thousands more troops to Afghanistan and talking about a new "surge" there. He'd probably also be escalating the campaign he launched late in his second term to use drone aircraft to illegally and repeatedly strike into Pakistan's tribal borderlands with Afghanistan."

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Read the whole article ... should you want the truth ...

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Obama is proving that he's nothing more than a pretender.
Posted by: and_abottleofrum on Sep 3, 2009 1:37 AM   
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He pretended to comprehend the struggles of the working class based on his experience as a community organizer. He claims to be black, which in the U.S. context implies he can empathize with the experiences of the black working class, which is the standard experience of blacks in the U.S. In fact he was raised in privilege and attended elite schools in exotic locales like Hawaii and Indonesia, then he attended Harvard.

Obama, to put it bluntly, is an oreo cookie. He's not authentic in any way that he's presented himself. He is just a great presentation, a talented actor, using his skills to dupe the gullible. He got my hopes up during the election and I've been kicking myself for this since about March, when it was clear he is a triangulator estranged from the meaning of true change.

His radical pastor would have been a far better choice for President than phony Obama.

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History never repeats?
Posted by: Carts on Sep 3, 2009 2:01 AM   
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The arrogance of power,

The folly of war,

America will fall,

As Empires before.

(May it happen soon)

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Obama is the
Posted by: Perry Logan on Sep 3, 2009 2:48 AM   
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Worst Democrat Ever™.

Proud Cynthia McKinney voter here. :)

Here's proof that I'm Nostradamus--a video I did some eleven months ago, called The Democrats' Answer to George W. Bush.

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Most Americans still think Obama Sin Laden Did 9/11 and He's Hiding out in Iraq Somewhere...
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Sep 3, 2009 3:04 AM   
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So maybe the Grand Chess Players have set America up to catastrophically fail.

I know it seems a nutty conspiracy theory - but just look what the USA has done since 9/11?

Surely you didn't bring all this on yourselves - you ain't that daft.

Who's Dick Cheney really working for?

Tony

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Obama said he would boost troop number in Afganistan
Posted by: LeonBNJ on Sep 3, 2009 3:33 AM   
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During his campaign, Obama said he would boost troop numbers in Afganistan and away from Iraq, to go after al-Quada where 'it really was'. Of course al-Quada has relocated into the no-man's land of the border of Afganistan and Pakistan, a place we cannot go into for political and practical reasons.
Screw Iraq and Afganistan - we need to get out NOW. We are just firing up more hate and encouraging another or even worse attack in the USA than 9/11. We can't financially or politiclly afford it. Obama needs to use real leadership and get us out - ignore the right wing minority that wants us to be there, they just have delusions based on screwed up beliefs of revenge for 9/11 and against Islam. It also is giving in to the oil powers who are seeking to put oil pipelines from Iran to serve China and India.
The Roman Empire collasped in part by their excessive involvement in imperial wars. We are headed in the same direction.

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It's quite sad Obama turned out to be the first "black" president.
Posted by: and_abottleofrum on Sep 3, 2009 3:46 AM   
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Though sensitive to class issues unlike many progressives, I concede that blacks have been dealt the most unfortunate hand in U.S. history, much worse than poor whites. Obama, as the first "black" president, is a shameful figure. He doesn't do justice to the historical and continued suffering of blacks in the U.S. He's a centrist wimp all too eager to play whitey's political games, an Uncle Tom who doesn't represent the true moral strength of black peoples. Obama is a natural ass kisser.

Obama should be ashamed of his position as America's "first black president." He does dishonor to this privilege.

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parrotuya
Posted by: parrotuya on Sep 3, 2009 3:55 AM   
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Afghanistan is a geographical fiction and war there is unwinable due to its geography. The land involved is too large and too hostile. America, a naval power, cannot win in a land-locked state. The logistical challenge is already a nightmare.

Sending more soldiers and marines will simply give the locals more targets to shoot at and thus, more casualties. Obama should re-consider his position there or face and LBJ-like crisis.

There will be no victory for the US there, ever.

DOWn, baby, DOWn!

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Check out the BBC's The Power of Nightmares
Posted by: GatoPreto on Sep 3, 2009 3:56 AM   
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if you haven't already. There's a CIA guy in there says Al Qaeda is pure fiction to rally the masses behind the phony War on Terror (tm). I don't think a lot of people here need to learn that but it may help sway some of your more stubborn relatives and friends.

Watch it, burn it on CD, and pass it around. This madness has got to end.
http://tinyurl.com/n2du5z

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morgan1
Posted by: morgan1 on Sep 3, 2009 4:25 AM   
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In brief I believe the legacy of Obama will be he made many promises and delivered on none. History may show his Administration to be one of the worst of all times. Everyone says how smart he is but he has trapped himself by his own rhetoric. Intellectuals, as he seems to be, have a tendency to live in the clouds and fail on mother earth. He's just a smooth talker who is another puppet as was Bush. He lied about bringing the country back from all the damage done by Bush but he is continuing all those policies and expanded the war as well as the hiring of mercenaries. This road leads inevitably to a failed democracy and fascism.It's business as usual. We (Common man) are being ground down while they are becoming more wealthy and increasingly public about who they are: Greedy land barons with everyone else a slave or servant.

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Viet-ghanistan
Posted by: MyLeftFoot on Sep 3, 2009 5:33 AM   
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n/t

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Meaningless "Victory"
Posted by: vkobaya1 on Sep 3, 2009 5:40 AM   
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If we won and declared victory in Afghanistan, would it mean we won the war on terrorism? No, of course not. We can't win the war on terrorism, it isn't confined to single nation or even multiple nations. Even if we defeated Afghanistan, the real terrorists in this country are home grown, the crackpot, crazed radical right that bombed the Oklahoma city building and continue to bring terrorism to this country. The crazies who carry guns openly to intimidate and threaten legitimately peaceful citizens. Said that our intelligence agencies have stopped a couple thousand right wing acts of terrorism since 9/11.

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Nothing so amazes me, and nothing demonstrates more clearly . . .
Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Sep 3, 2009 5:52 AM   
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Nothing so amazes me - and nothing demonstrates more clearly the power of the media and the CIA Operation MOCKINGBIRD that controls it - than a people who continue to believe against all evidence that their country is still governmed by politics and a representative government.

Election after election since World War II, "change" after change after change, lie after lie after lie, a demonstration of mendacity like being hammered metronymically, the prole U.S. public watches and responds like children enamored of Santa Claus await his arrival.

GOD DAMN - it's like waking to find yourself in an asylum for the insane with no way out.

How the hell can anyone with even the dimmest knowledge of history, how can anyone with even the most tenuous grasp of reality, fail to see what has happened? How can anyone observing the Brobdingnagian growth of the military industrial complex outgoing President Eisenhower warned of fail to realize? How does anyone aware of 752 military basis in 124 countries, of sixty-five plus nuclear submarines, of thirteen of fourteen nuclear aircraft carriers, of fleets of warplanes costing tens of millions, even billions of dollars per copy, and of eight hundred billion dollar a year expenditures on the military fail to realize?

How can anyone watching the relentlessly continual incident of war - war for reasons so infantile as to be utterly ludicrous ("American interests" - WHAT interests?!) - fail to at least suspect the military industrial complex coup d'etat that has occurred?

How can anything sentient fail to recognize that someone higher than the whorehouse on the Potomac is "in power" and control?

Well, someone once said that perception is reality. And "perception" means the media.
Q.E.D.

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I love it when Ames pretends to be a serious person...
Posted by: Grozny_Guy on Sep 3, 2009 6:07 AM   
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Shouldn't he be googling up more dirt on Larry Summer's plumber or Megan Mcardle's aunt or whatever?

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Yet Another Gift from the Neocon Scum
Posted by: closecrater on Sep 3, 2009 6:14 AM   
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If you can remember back to 2002 we WERE winning in Afghanistan. We had those smelly Talibs on the run. But then Bush in a "let me show dad whose d!ck is bigger" contest decided we had to take on Iraq and moved all the seasoned troops and units out of Afghanistan, back burnered it for a few years and here we are. (Please note - the main guy responsible for 9-11, bin Laden, is still on the loose after 7 years of Bush as Commander in Chief.) If we pull out (like we did in 89) Afghanistan will become a bigger, more dangerous Somalia - which we can't have. So we're stuck. we have to see it through.

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Bush44
Posted by: mjt on Sep 3, 2009 6:26 AM   
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Kill Maim Destroy Waste

We could have taken out the terrorist training camps and left these poor people to them selves. But no, Bush43 had to prove that he was more capable than anyone else in history. Against all rational advice, Bush43 decided he wanted to be the first successful invader of Afghanistan since the Mongol invasion of 1200.

When will we ever learn to leave other people alone? We don't help them evolve up the societal curve by killing and maiming them. We just drive them further down into poverty, hatred and fundamentalism. We are also doing the same in our own society, just not directly killing and maiming on our own soil.

You can do more to change culture and national behavior in the third world with bluejeans, Ipods, clean well water, medical care and some educational assistance. Ever so much cheaper, more effective. No moral hangover, no collateral damage to our own economy.

But stuck in an ethical and intellectual rut, Bush44 repeats the mistakes of Bush43, and to his everlasting debit, enlarges them.

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Remember, folks...
Posted by: ETSpoon on Sep 3, 2009 6:33 AM   
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I don't want to hear a peep...a whimper...a squawk...or a squeak out of any of you when the Taliban march into downtown Kabul, round-up a bunch of women and begin murdering them for the television cameras in the soccer stadium for imagined offenses to the Qur'an, a book no one can read much less understand. Once again an Abrahamic religion rears its ugly head.

I don't want to hear or read one word about how terrible the Taliban is because these turbaned punks, many of whom are the sons of our old mujahideen buddies from twenty years ago, stop little Afghan girls from going to school.

And I especially don't what to hear one word of surprise or shock or indignation when our fighting soldiers and Marines march off those airliners and up to the TV cameras and tell the world, they could have finished the "job" (that "job" being to kill as many Afghans as humanly possible) if the politicians and "liberals" hadn't stabbed them in the back!

Believe me, we will hear interviews echoing those sentiments from returning G.I.s and Marines once some one pulls the plug on this thing in Afghanistan. Why? Because this is an All Volunteer Force, the bastard child of anti-Vietnam war activists and Richard Nixon, midwifed by free market Jesus, Milton J. Friedman. Our men and women in uniform are there because they want to be there. never mind if it is because of economic necessity, just don't take my son to be a soldier. Take the neighbor's boy.

Another reason many returning vets will be ungrateful because President Obama or the Congress or whomever pulled their sorry asses out of Afghan quagmire is because they were doing "God's" work killing and/or converting heathen Muslims. Remember this Alternet.org article from April 21, 2007 Birth of the Christian Soldier: How Evangelicals Infiltrated the American Military, by Michael L. Weinstein and David Seay, Thomas Dunne Books? Or how about this news story from Agence France Presse from February 13, 2008 US military accused of harboring fundamentalism. Or This one from Democracy Now! from May of this year: “The Crusade for a Christian Military”: Are US Forces Trying to Convert Afghans to Christianity?

Won't that be just great. A bunch of pissed off ex-Marine, ex-paratrooper snake-handlers and holy rollers ready, willing and able to convert the country to their twisted "Taliban" version of Christianity by force if necessary. Quite frankly, I think I'd rather we funnel off these armed and dangerous Jesus-loving pinheads off to fight and die, especially die, in a pointless war in a foreign land than hand them to jobs in our civilian police departments.

Whatever the out-come in Afghanistan, it will not be pretty. But a percipitious withdrawal, say within 90 days, will have even uglier repercussions domestically.

Please think about it. You have been warned.

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George Washington Was Right
Posted by: NoPCZone on Sep 3, 2009 6:48 AM   
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Observe good faith and justice towards all nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all...

In the execution of such a plan, nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable, when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur. Hence, frequent collisions, obstinate, envenomed, and bloody contests. The nation, prompted by ill-will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the government, contrary to the best calculations of policy...The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of nations, has been the victim.

So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.

As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practice the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the public councils...

Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy to be useful must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.

The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible...

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dipconsult
Posted by: dipconsult on Sep 3, 2009 6:49 AM   
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As our web site www.dipconsult.eu points out in several places ever since september 2002 we have warned repeatedly all the politicians and media people we know that the Bush/Blair invasion of Iraq would inevitably have disastrous consequences for the occupation of Afghanistan.

Probably the invasion of Afghanistan was politically inevitable given that it was used as a platform for Al Qaeda not only for managing 9/11 but for the preceding terrorists acts.

But it was high risk and the invasion was only successful because it used warlords for success and so the occupation and resultant Afghan government were beholden to them. And Aghanistan's history showed it to be even more opposed to occupation than most countries.

So Bush had only say three years to use his then immense worldwide support to get the funding and international expertise to make a real difference in rebuilding Afghanistan after the Soviet war and the civil wars(s) which followed - not to speak of the devastation caused by thew Taliban.

But against all common sense and the dire warnings of we Cassandras - some very highly placed (like Senators Bird and Kennedy and Brent Scowcroft and our British Robin Cook) - Bush/Blair wrecked then then good chances for a crash programme in Afghanistan by invading Iraq which then had for years the top priority for troops, expertise, and funding. Perhaps worse - wide international support for Bush from virtually every significant nation (including China and Russia and at least tacit support from Muslim countries).

Anti-Americanism soared worldwide - even in the UK. And Afghanistan remained on hold with no takers - not even Nato members - to share the financial and military burden.

By the time Obama came to power Afghanistan was all but lost. He inherited two "Vietnams" - in Iraq and Afghanistan. The problem is to leave both countries with the least possible damage to US and Western interests, and indeed to the interests of all countries opposed to international terrorism .

OK - that's the diagnosis. What's to be done? First there has to be a holding operation - no doubt involving temporary increased troop levels. Second there must be far less "collateral damage" - Vietnam was lost more by |"collateral damage" than any other facto - the writer was there twice during the war and found the entire population was anti-American from the President to the girl in the rice field.

Third - Bush's confrontation must be followed by a chastened US seeking international cooperation - not for fighting but for bringing about real change: a) in government, no matter who is proclaimed winner of flawed elections, b)in mounting wherever possible real effective reconstruction that will be felt by every Afghan who benefits. This would be a big incentive to others to want to better heir conditions - what does the Taliban offer? c) the mere re-asssembly of the support Bush had in the beginning in 2001 would go a long way to change the entire situation. Russia and China - and Iran - for example do not want the Taliban back giving a base to Al Qaeda.

Think cooperation as the only means left to try to get America out of this "Vietnam" that Bush made. Think - what would you do if you were Obama? Just pack up and go? Think through the consequences.

But for any success in getting international cooperation, Obama will have to show he really is moving America back to international cooperation and away from confrontation. And that means for starters making a real move to resolve the Israel Palestine running sore by standing up to Israel's hard line government in favour of America's and the world's real interests. Right now that means stopping settlement spread. It is still Palestine that is the recruiting serjeant for Al Qaeda and Muslim extremism.

Maybe it is too late now after Bush.

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Posted by: dipconsult on Sep 3, 2009 6:51 AM   
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As our web site www.dipconsult.eu points out in several places ever since september 2002 we have warned repeatedly all the politicians and media people we know that the Bush/Blair invasion of Iraq would inevitably have disastrous consequences for the occupation of Afghanistan.

Probably the invasion of Afghanistan was politically inevitable given that it was used as a platform for Al Qaeda not only for managing 9/11 but for the preceding terrorists acts.

But it was high risk and the invasion was only successful because it used warlords for success and so the occupation and resultant Afghan government were beholden to them. And Aghanistan's history showed it to be even more opposed to occupation than most countries.

So Bush had only say three years to use his then immense worldwide support to get the funding and international expertise to make a real difference in rebuilding Afghanistan after the Soviet war and the civil wars(s) which followed - not to speak of the devastation caused by thew Taliban.

But against all common sense and the dire warnings of we Cassandras - some very highly placed (like Senators Bird and Kennedy and Brent Scowcroft and our British Robin Cook) - Bush/Blair wrecked then then good chances for a crash programme in Afghanistan by invading Iraq which then had for years the top priority for troops, expertise, and funding. Perhaps worse - wide international support for Bush from virtually every significant nation (including China and Russia and at least tacit support from Muslim countries).

Anti-Americanism soared worldwide - even in the UK. And Afghanistan remained on hold with no takers - not even Nato members - to share the financial and military burden.

By the time Obama came to power Afghanistan was all but lost. He inherited two "Vietnams" - in Iraq and Afghanistan. The problem is to leave both countries with the least possible damage to US and Western interests, and indeed to the interests of all countries opposed to international terrorism .

OK - that's the diagnosis. What's to be done? First there has to be a holding operation - no doubt involving temporary increased troop levels. Second there must be far less "collateral damage" - Vietnam was lost more by |"collateral damage" than any other facto - the writer was there twice during the war and found the entire population was anti-American from the President to the girl in the rice field.

Third - Bush's confrontation must be followed by a chastened US seeking international cooperation - not for fighting but for bringing about real change: a) in government, no matter who is proclaimed winner of flawed elections, b)in mounting wherever possible real effective reconstruction that will be felt by every Afghan who benefits. This would be a big incentive to others to want to better heir conditions - what does the Taliban offer? c) the mere re-asssembly of the support Bush had in the beginning in 2001 would go a long way to change the entire situation. Russia and China - and Iran - for example do not want the Taliban back giving a base to Al Qaeda.

Think cooperation as the only means left to try to get America out of this "Vietnam" that Bush made. Think - what would you do if you were Obama? Just pack up and go? Think through the consequences.

But for any success in getting international cooperation, Obama will have to show he really is moving America back to international cooperation and away from confrontation. And that means for starters making a real move to resolve the Israel Palestine running sore by standing up to Israel's hard line government in favour of America's and the world's real interests. Right now that means stopping settlement spread. It is still Palestine that is the recruiting serjeant for Al Qaeda and Muslim extremism.

Maybe it is too late now after Bush.

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Its not just Afghanistan....
Posted by: xi_people on Sep 3, 2009 7:18 AM   
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Did you know that the people in Islamabad, Pakistan are worried sick about the sight of American military personnel and military vehicles all over the capital? And that houses are being "leased" to American "planners" in residential areas, then promptly barricaded?

Did you know that another "largest embassy in the world" is being planned for Pakistan? Does this sound like "change you can believe in"?

Remember all those rumors about Bush/Cheney refusing to leave office? It turns out that the "democratic" process was allowed to go forward because the PTB already had their next puppet lined up; someone who would fool the people into thinking that some kind of change was occurring, while the same policies would continue uninterrupted.

If Obama thinks that people will continue to be dazzled by his smile, he has a big awakening coming. It is now very clear what he is, and that masses of supporters were handily duped.

To those who scoffed when they were warned that Obama had the potential to be worse than Bush, you were warned.

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What has America learned after Vietnam? Nothing it seems.
Posted by: jwverez on Sep 3, 2009 7:30 AM   
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And here we go again. How many young people will have to die for this poorly trained, poorly funded and with more stipulations, brainwashed into thinking that fighting and killing is cool whereas striving for peace is somehow unAmerican? I remember my days as a Vietnam War vet. I used to think that it was cool to serve and be patriotic but when I lost my limbs and my mentality, I cost not only myself but my family. When will the politicians in Washington listen to rhyme and reason and stop allowing the war machine to spin out of control?

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George Will may make a difference
Posted by: SteveA on Sep 3, 2009 7:32 AM   
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With the credibility George Will has gathered over the years, his call for us to bail on Afgh. may begin an avalanche of calls to withdraw. A ton of people who would give all for the U.S. see this rockpile as simply not ever worth the trouble.

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Empires just dont die overnight.
Posted by: troubleinmind254 on Sep 3, 2009 7:56 AM   
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Imperialism never stops just because they lose wars. Look at the Romans, British and all the other players in history. The Roman Republic and empires had military defeats but it did not stop them from hegemony. The British lost America but they still had the 19th century ahead of them. To Americans, Vietnam is a distant memory, a movie soundtrack. My fear is that despite the outcome in Iraq and Afghanistan; the imperial ambitions of our leadership will continue and even succeed, to the determent of American society and culture and the future of humanity.

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Is it Obama's fault?
Posted by: austex_chris on Sep 3, 2009 8:01 AM   
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I disagreed with Obama's plan to add more troops in Afghanistan from day one, but I recognize that this was a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I have a degree in Middle Eastern Studies, so I know a thing or two about the situation. Afghanistan is not a winnable war, period. There is nothing to win. It has been a lawless, wild area for as long as anyone can remember, heck Alexander's army generals could have told you not to get bogged down there.

I was one of the few people who opposed the invasion of Afghanistan in the first place, there was way too much public support for the invasion in the wake of 9/11. Any one who knew anything about the region would have known that it was a bad idea. But Bush put us in the worst position, because now there are only two options:

1) Add more troops to Afghanistan and fight off the Taliban as best you can, knowing that the terrain and culture will make it near impossible to ever win, but at least you can prevent the Taliban from taking over at the cost of war casualties.

2) Pull out and let the Taliban eventually take over again (and they will) and just ignore the carnage that ensues as a result of the withdrawal. There will be retribution for anyone who is thought to be someone who worked with the Americans and they will take their culture back to the violent and misogynist way it was before the invasion.

There are no other political options. There will never be a western style democracy there, it just does not fit into the culture. War there only creates more resentment and terrorists. The more civilian casualties there are, the more potential recruits there are for extremists.

So sure, we can be mad about more casualties in the US military. But the alternative of letting Afghanistan fall is just as bad, if not worse. So the question is, how much can we blame Obama? He is not Superman, he can't solve this problem. He is screwed either way.

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We can win this Afghanistan war and -----
Posted by: symcokid on Sep 3, 2009 8:11 AM   
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I believe Obama is on the right track, send all the elegible young men into battle right out of high school. There are no jobs for them anyway, very can afford college and besides that will keep them off the unemployment/welfare rolls, they will have a good career killing off the excesses of humanoids. Afghani's must be doing a lot of stuff that we don't like anyway so let's win another war.

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Been there, done that!
Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Sep 3, 2009 8:15 AM   
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More than 30 years ago I had the occasion to represent the daughter of the ruling family in Afghanistan. She had lupus that could not be corraled in Kabul and she solicted the aid of her mother, a trained nurse that had removed herself to London. They sought help in London, to no avail and it was decided to travel to Augusta, GA for help at the Medical College where the mother had trained years earlier. While in Augusta being evaluated for lupus, she contracted pneumonia and other symptoms directly related to in-care malpractice. I sued the State of Georgia seeking to overcome its defense of sovereign immunity and won a decision that enabled me to recover some compensation for the extended injury. While pursuing all of this, her father and all members of the ruling family in Kabul were killed and thus deposed. When I asked my clients about it they related the long history of tribal lords dominance in the country and power that was derived from international drug trade. They knew that no power on earth can extinguish that hold on power and with the emergence of the Taliban it is even stronger and more deeply entrenched. Russia learned what I did and after nine years had the good sense to get the hell out and leave it to the mongols and maggots that infest the nation. How do we then explain the sheer, irrefutable stupidity and corruption of USA, Inc. led by Bushshit and Obamarama? We can't. My solution is to transport all of our mindless perpetrators to Augusta for treatment and perhaps updated malpractice will trump tort reform and a international health hazard can be eliminated. It works for me!!!!!

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misleading term
Posted by: mike1997 on Sep 3, 2009 8:45 AM   
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Why do you continue to use the term "contractor" to describe the hired military personel fighting for the US? It is misleading to a great many (most?) people. When most of us hear the term contractor we think of the guys we hire to fix our roof or put in a new bathroom. In the context of this article, most people think "contractors" are over there working on Afgan roads or building schools or something. They are not. They are hired military personel.

We have a perfectly good, unambiguous term for such people; the term is mercenary. Use it.

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Three more years of Obama
Posted by: bh on Sep 3, 2009 8:55 AM   
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Obama is one and out! Honestly, you have to look real close to see the difference between Bush and Obama. He promised that the war's would end. Boy did we get fooled! This guy is a Republican, he really is.

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Why?
Posted by: Southern Gal on Sep 3, 2009 9:08 AM   
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I don't understand why we are fighting this war. We can't use traditional occupational armies effectively in a war to stop fanaticism and acts of terror. We are burning up soldiers, resources, goodwill among other nations and killing innocent civilians in this war. In addition to the human casualties there are the social and financial casualties. In all of the discussions going on now about health insurance reform, the economy, climate change, etc. no one mentions that most of our budget goes to the Pentagon and the military industrial complex for waging wars and making weapons of mass destruction. I am so disgusted with the lack of leadership by our Democrats and our president. Thank you Russ Feingold, Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinch and others who are questioning this war, the funding of this war and the Democrats lack of spine regarding making decisions about how we go about protecting our country from those who would harm its people and forging policies for interacting with other countries that will include integrity and true leadership in a world gone mad in waging religious and secular wars for power and resources.

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Why in the world are we still fighting in this rock garden called Afghanistan???
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Sep 3, 2009 9:14 AM   
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It looks like it was for the OIL & DRUGS all along, and Obama is in on it too!!!

Wake-up, sheeple!!!

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'ESCAPED MOST OF AMERICA'S ATTENTION' ?
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Sep 3, 2009 9:51 AM   
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Not quite. As with Iraq, most Americans are apathethic and indifferent. It's easy to fix blame, but the irresponsibility of doing nothing never comes up. What people DON'T know about our involement in Afganistan is shameful. Is it about natural gas and oil pipelines? Is it because Afgan women have to dress a certain way? Is it the poppies (opium)?
The much acclaimed General McChrystal feels we need a new starategy. I assume that's because the old one isn't working. It seems that 27,000 troops will be needed. McChrystal is a hard core warrior, I am not. Every American who comes home in a box is a victim of his failed strategy. I doubt that he sees it that way. Not his job. Because most of our elected officials have no military background, war is easy to sell. Bush and Cheney bought into the idea. It is an accepted military strategy to know when it becomes the responsibilty of the Generals to stop feeding our soldiers to their ego driven strategies. Realizing that it's time to quit is not cowardly. To continue doing what clearly does not work when it is costing lives, is treasonous. Every Afgan civilian who dies is an immoral act. McChrystal has to know that this is not the way to find the terrorists. It's a way to expand the war to include most of the Middle East. I like President Obama and believe him to be extremely bright. But intelligence is never across the board. The very smartest people have gaps and void in their vast amounts of knowledge. I think it's time for Obama to see that possibility in himself. Is he being sold a bill of goods by the people who make the goods? Maybe. Afte the Health Insurance debacle is won and he will win it I would like a detailed reason for Afganistan. No 'good war' Bull---t. He cannot use the word 'success'. I honestly don't believe he can justify not bringing everyone home. There's no speech good enough.

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funny how Americans didn't give a DAMN or even REMEMBER...
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Sep 3, 2009 9:58 AM   
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or FLAT OUT SAID IT DIDN'T MATTER IF IGNORING THE EVIDENCE & REPORTS GOT OBAMA ELECTED...

when CANADIANS were STUCK HOLDING DOWN HELMAND PROVINCE
while Americans threw us to the wolves. Your own Pentagon was astonished by Canada's work in Helmand. The EU was stunned by Canada's dedicated & less violent work there.
amazing.
but the American Public? couldn't give a damn if it didn't involve screaming "We're NUMBER ONE!, tickertape parades & the Stars N'Stripes...

Then Americans show up to carry their share & ACT LIKE FREAKY TRIGGER-HAPPY CHRISTIAN CRUSADERS... & roll out the Predator Drones...
& you're suddenly worried about AMERICANS?

...not the Afghans
...not the Pakistani
...not the OTHER NATO MEMBERS YOU ABANDONED...

nah... but when you're in debt up to your eyeballs & throwing YOUR LAST REMAINING ASSET into the warzone to hold off your creditors chasing down your other DEBT COLLATERAL

suddenly, Americans are demanding NATO CARRY YOUR WATER for you again

& you can't stop whinging about how horrible Afghanistan was.

THANKS FOR LISTENING TO US FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS!

& thanks is probably on its way from all the US troops WHO TOLD YOU AFGHANISTAN MADE IRAQ LOOK LIKE A TEAPARTY.

congratulations.

American arrogance reigns again: but you'd never know it, because you didn't listen to anybody but yourselves to get what you wanted.

Now you've got Obama & his Afghan mission: ENJOY!!

I hope NATO pulls out & leaves you there to enjoy what you started when you wouldn't TAKE OBL WHEN HE WAS OFFERED.

Hell, OBL is probably long gone & living on a remote beach island in Indonesia by now...

wow, Americans are self-centred.

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Karma brings us full circle - Carter sponsored a trap for the Soviet, Reagan/Bush fed and grew
Posted by: MeyravLevine on Sep 3, 2009 10:18 AM   
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the Jihadist movement against the Soviet.

Clinton hoped backing Taliban would allow control of the region and create a threat to Iran; not to mention UNICOL would have access to oil & gas resources.

And now? Nothing has changed. The US geo-political goal to maintain primary power requires it to setup bases in Afghanistan where it can launch military strikes against Iran, develop in-roads into the oil & gas resources in Central Asian countries and check Russian influence.

Unfortunately, Afghans don't want to cooperate with our strategic goals.

Is Obama going to pull us out of Afghan - actually AF-PAK?

We are in a lose-lose sitaution. Bush's fucked up decission to go to war has destabilized the entire region. The only solution is to sit-down and have good-faith negotiations with all parties involved.

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some 'liberal'
Posted by: tazdelaney on Sep 3, 2009 10:29 AM   
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in 1968, hersh managed to expose his photos of my lai, one of over 200 such events in 'operation hamlet (later exported to el salvador, guatemala, etc.), hundreds of defenseless civilians including some 80 babies and children executed and thrown onto a muddy road... that and the lost tet offensive and by mid-summer over 60% of americans wanted out of the vietnam war. 6 years and another million deaths later... that set of wars ends. it is called demockery and the apathetic inaction of a largely hypnotized public that doesn't understand democracy often requires a riot, not a sleep-in.

should be noted that 'liberal' woodrow wilson dragged the US into WWI to help fight 'the last of the king's wars' under the phrases 'the war to end all wars' and 'the war to make the world safe for democracy.' then 'liberal' FDR watches while senator prescott BUSH routes billions in money and technology from such as rockefeller/ford/GM/chrysler/dupont/kennedy to the nazis. Speer wrote in his journal that if not for america giving germany tank and tread tech, they never could've invaded anywhere... senator BUSH was convicted of 'trading with the enemy' in 1942, yet never did a day in prison as he was rich and strings to pull...

'liberal' truman nukes japan to show the soviets our new toy, then grants thousands of nazis immunity so as to import them into CIA/science/policing. truman creates the national security state, which can just be shortened to 'natse' as we now see. gives us the korean war. backs such thugs as batista and somoza, too.

then 'liberal' JFK sets up what senator frank church later called 'the golden triangle war' in vietnam (cambodia, laos, too.) 'liberal' LBJ kills a million vietnamese after the faked photos of the 'gulf of tonkin' incident fools all but two members of the entire congress (democrat morse of oregon, republican grunig of alaska voted against as they weren't just going baaaaa like the rest of the sheep.)

'liberal' carter says no more arms to the shah of iran, gets off of air force one and immediately gives the shah the most arms ever. 'liberal' clinton backs the genocidal embargo that killed at least 800,000 iraqis, over half a million children by US admission; he continued to back the guatemalan junta's genocide of mayan natives as their lands were sought by oil and resorts firms. clinton continued to back peru's vicious fujimori, also a killer of native peoples and others, who now is imprisoned in peru. clinton had his own war crimes in the balkan conflict and albania.

now obama turns coat on every campaign promise and gives us the expanded iraq-afpak wars complete with bush-cheney CIA rendition program of outsourced torture and protection of war criminals to the hilt. after all, he will soon be facing such charges himself as his body bag count rises.

not to say that the dems are worse than the GOP when it comes to slaughter... republicans are fascists outright. democrats are fascists in sheep's clothing. it is all government by garbage, bribed from the get-go by the military-industrial complex Ike warned us about, (that none since has heeded.)

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There are three times as many US troops in Iraq as in Afghanistan -
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Sep 3, 2009 10:40 AM   
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Which hellish quagmire are we talking about? Has the media gone silent on Iraq because of this:

Iraq Violence Threatens Oil Deals

BAGHDAD, Aug. 27 (UPI) -- Recent events in Iraq have cast a pall over the government's plans to have a November auction for potentially lucrative oil contracts that are vital for the country's reconstruction.

Or because of this?

U.S. Death Toll at Record Low in Iraq, at Record High in Afghanistan, Sep 2, 2009

"There are currently 130,000 U.S. combat troops in Iraq, and Defense Secretary Robert Gates said at the end of July that if violence levels continue to stay low one of 14 combat units – about 5,000 personnel – may leave early, by the end of the year."

Troop levels in Afghanistan are only at 50,000 currently, up from 30,000 last year. By comparison, this means that we are still putting three times as much effort into Iraq than Afghanistan.

Not that you'd guess it from reading the U.S. press - but the deal appears to still be the same as it was under the Bush regime, going right back to Cheney's Energy Task Force Meetings in Feb 2001, featuring maps of Iraqi oilfields and lists of bidders - and guess who wasn't on that list?

Here's a blurb from the most recent round of Iraqi oil bids, UPI:

"All the other majors -- Exxon Mobil, Royal Dutch Shell and Chevron Corp. among them -- refused to lower their demands.

That's probably why no one is talking about Iraq - under Obama, Operation Iraqi Oil is proceeding just as it did under Bush.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/53390

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Vietnam, Vietnam, Vietnam
Posted by: badkitty on Sep 3, 2009 10:47 AM   
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we've all been there. Didn't Michael Herr say that? Okay, so apparently a lot of people who should know, don't. I refer, of course, to our joke of a military, who obviously NEVER learned a thing from Vietnam and who will relive it until we abolish the Department of Defense, and our congressmembers who are old enough to remember, who support these illegal wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Common sense and just general knowledge tell us that Barack Obama has been president for less than nine months. He inherited these wars started by people who although they didn't serve in Vietnam, wanted to fight it over again. I'm hoping that in these eight months, he has given the military enough rope to hang itself. Now that McChrystal has come back and said he needs more troops, it's time to say, "gee, I'm sorry, I think we'll leave instead". Obama is, by no stretch of the imagination, George W. Bush or Ronald Reagan. He was handed a very bad situation in every respect, economy, war, deficits, and worst of all, climate change. He's doing the best he can, and I hope he's learned that bipartisanship is a no go. He needs to end this war now, troops out by Christmas, and just ignore the weeping and wailing of the Republicans and their supporters. Next year he can really cut the defense budget, or get rid of it altogether.

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the always quotable
Posted by: tazdelaney on Sep 3, 2009 10:54 AM   
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oscar wilde said, "no power on earth can remove the grip a society has on its own throat."

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USSR had 125,000 troops in Afghanistan
Posted by: Garvagh on Sep 3, 2009 11:04 AM   
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The General Staff of the Soviet Union opposed the 1979 invasion and predicted disaster. By contrast, US generals have been all too keen on trying to convince Obama that the US is the country that ought to be taking the lead in Afghanistan, when all evidence is to the contrary. The Soviets won almost every battle fought with the insurgents, year in and year out, but finally had to throw in the towel because "winning" battles ultimately meant little or nothing. How many more hundreds of billions of dollars will Obama squander on the Iraq and Afghan military adventures? Why does he fail to encourage Russia, China and Iran to step forward? Iran's offers of help were ignored by the Bush administration, after the indiotic invasion of Iraq.

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why is any of this surprising?
Posted by: spanky on Sep 3, 2009 11:24 AM   
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Obama is, very much like Bush but for totally different reasons, an effective pitch man and actor representing a firmly entrenched power structure. He was chosen as merely the new face for the empire, one that inspired the people to believe a new direction was coming.

And the people, satiated and exhausted by the orgy of the campaign, have returned to their lives, leaving the elites to their own devices for another 4 years, as always.

I forgot who said this, but the fact that he was *allowed* to be elected president tells you everything you need to know about the extent to which he will be *allowed* to change things.

ps: I voted for Obama

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The public be damned.
Posted by: zigy on Sep 3, 2009 11:54 AM   
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Obama's geopolitical strategy (as formulated by Z. Brezinski) is to move away from Iraq and thus a walling off of the Arabian peninsula (which was the Neo-cons strategy, now largely discredited ) to engage in a pincer move surrounding the new (pursuant to the 1999 Shanghi accord) Sino-Russia-Iran-central asian republic alliance. This alliance is understood by Brezinski to be the means to monopolize central asian oil and gas deposits around the Caspian basin. Brezinski knows full well that if the Shanghi accord succeeds in its intent, it will be an unmitigated disaster for the United States as far as obtaining its future energy needs. Pursuant to this view, the Shanghi Accord nations must be "contained" and destabilized while pipelines are secured accessing ports of U. S. allies. Thus this war will continue to expand east with no end in sight, either short or long term. Sad to say our strategists see this Af-Pk war as critical to our long term future. Sadder to say, if the "American lifestyle" with all of its waste and profligacy is indeed as Dick Chainey has famously said, "nonnegotiable" this war may indeed be necessary.

Americans say they want out, but their lifestyle belies their words.

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Most Americans Don't Realise That Pagan Festivals Celebrating The Harvest Are Still Widespread
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Sep 3, 2009 12:01 PM   
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Amongst Rural Village Communities Across England...

They think we are making it up...

And we say - well this coming weekend - we are going to burn the Straw Jack...

They say - you mean Jack Straw - isn't he one of your War Criminals?

I say - Straw Jack

They say Jack Straw...

No Straw Jack

Check out The Original Version of the Wicker Man - rather than The Scottish remake - or even more dire - the American remake...

And you may get the idea...

I was going to post this on a Right Wing American Republican Website Populated by the KKK - but didn't have the balls.

They are Fucking Mad

Tony

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He hasn't got an anti-semitic bone in his body...
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Sep 3, 2009 1:38 PM   
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Sure he started on blondes - and they still keep comiing back for more...

But judging from the diversity of colours and supposed races and supposed religions...

Neither of our kids are in the slightest bit racially or religiously prejudiced whatsoever...

They both also are really Charitable human beings in the most fundamental understanding of that word...

They actually go out and help people - sometimes people they have never met in their life

We are so proud of them...

And when the latest Israeli attack happenned on the Palestinians - it wasn't my lad - who cut the plug on them and denied them any further access to the UK Backbone

It wasn't him that told them to

FUCK OFF

And despite them placing a massive new big order with him - for which he bought absolutely loads of new hardware - out of his money - for which he never received any payment - he was doing it on the basis of trust...

Like the UK authorities had never denied any of the Israelis physical access...

Now the Game Had Changed

You Cannot Do That

And So My Lad was suddenly a bit skint...

Cos he'd bought all this new hardware - which wasn't going to get paid for - and also a significant percentage of his current business

Had been banned access

You see - We do Have Som Principles in London

We did the same thing to the Apartheid in South Africa

We Ain't Fucking Having It

Tony

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She Did Have The Courage To Do It And Take The Photographs On The Frontline of The G20 Protests
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Sep 3, 2009 2:14 PM   
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She went By Herself

I Had Told Her Of All The Dangers of Protests in London and How They Could Turn Out....

Her Brother had arranged an Interview For Her The Same Day - So That She Could Earn Some Money Before She Starts University...(A Brotherley Diversion)

But She Knew She Had To Do It....

Because when She Was 15 - She Was Arrested By The Police For Doing Absolutely Nothing Wrong...

And Had Her DNA Extracted - And The Police Threw Her To The Ground - and Handcuffed Her...

All Her Friends had run away

But She had done nothing wrong - so didn't run

So She had been through all the trauma of being arrested and thrown into jail at the age of 15

So she thought

I am going to get my own back

I am going into London and take the Photographs For My "A" Level Project in Photography and Art..

And Did

And Has Got a Brilliant Place at University as a Result...

And she is arranging the part time jobs to help pay for her degree - and has already been invited on a trip with her new mates to go to Amsterdam in November

And is Really Looking Forward To It...

She is now trying to pay for her accommodation with her Grant and Student Loan which has not arrived yet...If she pays it all before she starts she is given a free coupon worth £500 which is divided and allocated in equal parts every month so that she can eat if she doesn't get a job.

And Her Mum said - You Know when I was doing the Childminding - as you were growing up...

Well each week when I got paid I put a bit of money into an account for you - and over the years - it accumulated quite a bit of interest..

And I said - something much the same...

So last night we dug out all the accounts that had been in her name since she was born...

And said - you need to transfer this into your account now...

Her Mum had saved about £2,000 for her

..Now you might think that is not much...

But its better than nowt

Tony

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Hellfire and predators drone
Posted by: maxsmart on Sep 3, 2009 3:46 PM   
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It isn't working either....but if we helped lure Russia into occupying Afghanistan then this along with 9/11 as a retaliation for turning Afghanistan into a proxy war of total devastation and horror would just be a final sorry cold war paranoia story...at the hands of the CIA...

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Let's call all Obama's critics shrill, radical left, hysterics!
Posted by: Jill 2 on Sep 3, 2009 4:04 PM   
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"Obama is doubling down in Afghanistan with more troops deployed now than the Soviets ever had, at a time when public support for it is sinking like a rock."

–Perhaps it is not Obama running the show at all.

Articles such as this one seem to assemble an aggressive counterpoint of increasingly justifiable doubt as to who is really in command of the depraved and murderous American Afghan nightmare.

Recently in San Francisco the journalist and author John Pilger said that the distinguished American, Daniel Ellsberg (he of Pentagon Papers fame) believed that under Bush, some kind of a de facto a military coup took place in America. Craven idiots– their hands awash in blood– and assorted apologists, otherwise known as moderates and 'voices of reason,' will of course label Ellsberg as "shrill" and an 'off the wall' delusional 'dead ender.' Not surprisingly, these sycophants are hardly all Republicans or conservatives–but most dangerously– self proclaimed Progressives.

Now that this condescending epithet–so often used unfailingly in the so called 'progressive' blogosphere to disparage and mock more radical views – is losing its shopworn luster, one wonders what adjective will replace it when Daniel Ellsberg's musings turn out one day to be true? Indeed, what is emerging is a sense that the defeat of fascism in America, is in fact congruent with the American military defeat in Afghanistan and Iraq. Perhaps that must unflinchingly become the programmatic nexus of any truly progressive political stratagem of liberation. You can't have one without the other.– (Jill Bains)

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Should've read up on his Zbig
Posted by: pomes on Sep 3, 2009 4:16 PM   
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Obama should have researched the writing and gloating that his mentor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, did to catch the Soviets in the "Afghan Trap" which led to the birth of Al-Queda.

Maybe then he wouldn't have caught America into the same trap. Then again, maybe he would've. Zbig was one of the first advisors on the Obama campaign, and I'm sure still has his ear now.

Funny, fishy times.

Zbigniew Brzezinski:
How Jimmy Carter and I Started the Mujahideen

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Some People Attack The New Government Now Starting University....
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Sep 3, 2009 6:10 PM   
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The Students Ask - Well Who The Fuck Do You Think Is Going To Form The Next Government?

I Say - Well Isn't It Completely Obvious???

It is Not You Stupid Cunts With Your Student Loans and Cushy Daddy Supported Lifestyles Where You Just Have Fun - Waiting For The Call To Be in Power...

Nah - You Have Got It Wrong....

It's All The Kids Who Started Their Own Businesses at The Age of 13....

They will be Employing The Best of You - when you leave University...

The rest of you will be lucky to get a job in McDonalds...

You don't honestly think you can crawl up Cameron's Arse Do You?

That Slimeball won't last 5 minutes

He's just a Tony Blair Clone Airhead - He hasn't got a Clue from his elbow to his arse to his windmill

Get yourself a job doing something you really love and earn some money providing something useful to other people

Tony

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Us and Them
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Sep 3, 2009 6:55 PM   
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Us and Them

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Have Americans Actually Travelled To Africa and India and Russia and Europe and China
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Sep 3, 2009 7:28 PM   
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If Not How Do You Know What The Rest Of The World Thinks Of You?

And Your US Dollar

How Do You Know We Have Any Respect For You Whatsover?

Do You Think We Care About Your US Dollar?

When You Are Threatening Us With Your Bombs and Your Guns and Your Nuclear Missiles...

Don't You Realise

THAT IS THE CORE REASON - Why We Don't Like You

You Really Need To Arrest All Your War Criminals and Put Them On Trial...

And Convert All Your Destructive Energy In Your Useless Nuclear Bombs Into Safe Clean Electricity For Peaceful Purposes Using Thorium Nuclear Reactors Currently Going Into Production in India..

If you continue to behave like spoilt brats - then Over 90% of you will live in Poverty - and You Will Fight Each Other

And We Will Watch on High Definition TV...

Whereas If You Give Up All Your Weapons of Mass Destruction - You May Well Eventually Be Re-Admitted To The World Community...

But You Need a New Government

We Don't Get on With NAZI FASCIST ARSEHOLES - in fact we went to war with them in 1939.

Tony

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Quality - And I Am Not Talking Skelmersdale - Something Much Closer To Oldham
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Sep 3, 2009 7:54 PM   
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I Wanna Be Adored

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Afghanistan
Posted by: wormfarmer on Sep 3, 2009 8:18 PM   
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where empires go to die.

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I Try And Explain That It is Not Mossad That Is Doing This To Americans - But The CND
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Sep 3, 2009 8:48 PM   
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And they say what the Fuck does CND stand for?

And I say - we Confiscate all your Weapons of Mass Destruction without You Noticing and We Disarm Them - and Extract All Their Energy and Convert It Into Electricity for Peaceful Puposes...

Meanwhile You think you still have them...

And We Really Annoy You - and Go

Na na Na na Na na Na...

Your Weapons Don't Work Any More

Tony

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How dare you diss your friends/allies so badly?
Posted by: Lemuel G. on Sep 3, 2009 10:48 PM   
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I felt this article is unfairly denigratory toward America's "useless" allies in Afghanistan.

British, Australian, and New Zealand armed-forces have taken a number of casualties in this, your, war (and probably more nations that I don't know about 'cause I can't be bothered researching). These nations' (your friends, yes?) armed-forces are considered among the most professional and effective in the world, and fight bravely - usually for no better reason other than that it is their job and they don't want to let down their buddies.

New Zealand is sending back it's SAS after diplomatic pressure from the US, and you can bet they're (you-fucking-know-who) turning the screws on the rest of their friends as we type (meaning that your political and military leadership don't think we all suck so fuckin' badly).

And don't start with the Germans... did it occur to you that the Germans, as a people, have a vivid and terrible collective-memory of occupying foreign nations and trying to pacify unruly populations? Popular-opinion there (Germany)would not tolerate a combat-role for their troops.

For fuck's sake... do some research, this was fucking weak - and insulting; when you next moan of American ignorance - just remember that you are guilty of it's propagation.

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DID ANYONE REALLY EXPECT ANY DIFFERENT?
Posted by: axisofoil on Sep 3, 2009 10:52 PM   
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maybe what we need is real change

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Were Al queda and Bin Laden really responsible for 9/11
Posted by: jonodavidson on Sep 4, 2009 2:09 AM   
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Bin Laden was the primary suspect for the 9/11 attacks from the beginning due to the fact that he had previously targetted the world trade center for attack. The attacks of 9/11 have nothing else in common with Bin Laden's attack on the world trade center. When Bin laden attacked the world trade center, he left behind all the evidence we needed to know that he had masterminded, organized, planned and funded the attack. He wanted everyone to know that he had destroyed the world trade center, but his well prepared plans failed due to the incompetence of his henchmen to properly place the truck bomb in the precise location. Had the bomb been placed at the precise location that Bin Laden had indicated in his plans, one building would have fallen into the other destroying both. His incompetent henchmen did not think to reserve the proper parking space ahead of time, and they were seen nervously driving around in their truck for over an hour before they parked. They parked about a hundred feet away from their mark, and they just blew a big whole in the side of the building. The damage was mainly located in the parking structure, and all of Bin Laden's well laid plans failed due to the incompetence of his henchmen.

No one so bold as Bin Laden masterminded, organized, planned and funded the attacks on 9/11. There were no well laid plans discovered in an easily located apartment to be discovered after the fact. The terrorists who carried out the plan were competent enough to highjack all four planes before the first plane struck. They were technically and tactically proficient enough to fly the planes to their intended targets at a low altitude using terrain features to navigate. These guys prepared for this attack meticulously, and Al Queda has not demonstrated the ability to recruit and train terrorists as competent in any previous or subsequent attack. I do not think the terrorists from Bin Laden's Al Queda, who could not even park a truck bomb in the precise location, are capable of performing the well orchestrated attack that occurred on 9/11. If our government was worthy to be trusted, they would demonstrate their integrity by providing the public with the evidence they have to prove the accusations against Bin Laden are true. The evidence from Bin Laden's attack on the world trade center was provided to the public leaving no doubt that he masterminded that attack.

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Obama is too young to remember Vietnam
Posted by: Gyre on Sep 4, 2009 4:52 AM   
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Not saying Afghanistan is Vietnam but unlike Obama the liberal caucus, and the older end of Obama's base remembers Vietnam. He's gonna get hurt politically, a lot, if he continues to escalate US military involvement in this black hole. Jesus, could it be more obvious that this place is the ultimate quagmire?

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RE: Change you can believe in! GOTCHA! HAHAHA
Posted by: peridot on Sep 3, 2009 2:46 AM   
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It's so.............Clintonian!

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Looks like alternet is trying to block my continuing commenting...
Posted by: CynicI on Sep 3, 2009 8:05 AM   
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... I had to sneak in here and when I finish and wait for it to come up they deaden the links so I can't comment anymore.

Why? Have I really hit the nail on the head?

If you don't see anymore of my comments, you know they have succeeded cause I care about this very issue so I have no intentions of stopping posting.

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Meet the New Boss ... Same As the Old Boss ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Sep 3, 2009 1:22 AM   
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Bush's Third Term? You're Living It

David Swanson

September 02, 2009 "TomDispatch"

"If Bush were in his third term, we would already have seen him propose, yet again, the largest military budget in the history of the world. We might well have seen him pretend he was including war funding in the standard budget, and then claim that one final supplemental war budget was still needed, immediately after which he would surely announce that yet another war supplemental bill would be needed down the road. And of course, he would have held onto his Secretary of Defense from his second term, Robert Gates, to run the Pentagon, keep our ongoing wars rolling along, and oversee the better part of our public budget.

Bush would undoubtedly be following through on the agreement he signed with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki for all U.S. troops to leave Iraq by the end of 2011 (except where he chose not to follow through). His generals would, in the meantime, be leaking word that the United States never intended to actually leave. He'd surely be maintaining current levels of troops in Iraq, while sending thousands more troops to Afghanistan and talking about a new "surge" there. He'd probably also be escalating the campaign he launched late in his second term to use drone aircraft to illegally and repeatedly strike into Pakistan's tribal borderlands with Afghanistan."

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Read the whole article ... should you want the truth ...

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Obama is proving that he's nothing more than a pretender.
Posted by: and_abottleofrum on Sep 3, 2009 1:37 AM   
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He pretended to comprehend the struggles of the working class based on his experience as a community organizer. He claims to be black, which in the U.S. context implies he can empathize with the experiences of the black working class, which is the standard experience of blacks in the U.S. In fact he was raised in privilege and attended elite schools in exotic locales like Hawaii and Indonesia, then he attended Harvard.

Obama, to put it bluntly, is an oreo cookie. He's not authentic in any way that he's presented himself. He is just a great presentation, a talented actor, using his skills to dupe the gullible. He got my hopes up during the election and I've been kicking myself for this since about March, when it was clear he is a triangulator estranged from the meaning of true change.

His radical pastor would have been a far better choice for President than phony Obama.

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History never repeats?
Posted by: Carts on Sep 3, 2009 2:01 AM   
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The arrogance of power,

The folly of war,

America will fall,

As Empires before.

(May it happen soon)

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Obama is the
Posted by: Perry Logan on Sep 3, 2009 2:48 AM   
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Worst Democrat Ever™.

Proud Cynthia McKinney voter here. :)

Here's proof that I'm Nostradamus--a video I did some eleven months ago, called The Democrats' Answer to George W. Bush.

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Most Americans still think Obama Sin Laden Did 9/11 and He's Hiding out in Iraq Somewhere...
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Sep 3, 2009 3:04 AM   
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So maybe the Grand Chess Players have set America up to catastrophically fail.

I know it seems a nutty conspiracy theory - but just look what the USA has done since 9/11?

Surely you didn't bring all this on yourselves - you ain't that daft.

Who's Dick Cheney really working for?

Tony

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Obama said he would boost troop number in Afganistan
Posted by: LeonBNJ on Sep 3, 2009 3:33 AM   
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During his campaign, Obama said he would boost troop numbers in Afganistan and away from Iraq, to go after al-Quada where 'it really was'. Of course al-Quada has relocated into the no-man's land of the border of Afganistan and Pakistan, a place we cannot go into for political and practical reasons.
Screw Iraq and Afganistan - we need to get out NOW. We are just firing up more hate and encouraging another or even worse attack in the USA than 9/11. We can't financially or politiclly afford it. Obama needs to use real leadership and get us out - ignore the right wing minority that wants us to be there, they just have delusions based on screwed up beliefs of revenge for 9/11 and against Islam. It also is giving in to the oil powers who are seeking to put oil pipelines from Iran to serve China and India.
The Roman Empire collasped in part by their excessive involvement in imperial wars. We are headed in the same direction.

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It's quite sad Obama turned out to be the first "black" president.
Posted by: and_abottleofrum on Sep 3, 2009 3:46 AM   
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Though sensitive to class issues unlike many progressives, I concede that blacks have been dealt the most unfortunate hand in U.S. history, much worse than poor whites. Obama, as the first "black" president, is a shameful figure. He doesn't do justice to the historical and continued suffering of blacks in the U.S. He's a centrist wimp all too eager to play whitey's political games, an Uncle Tom who doesn't represent the true moral strength of black peoples. Obama is a natural ass kisser.

Obama should be ashamed of his position as America's "first black president." He does dishonor to this privilege.

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parrotuya
Posted by: parrotuya on Sep 3, 2009 3:55 AM   
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Afghanistan is a geographical fiction and war there is unwinable due to its geography. The land involved is too large and too hostile. America, a naval power, cannot win in a land-locked state. The logistical challenge is already a nightmare.

Sending more soldiers and marines will simply give the locals more targets to shoot at and thus, more casualties. Obama should re-consider his position there or face and LBJ-like crisis.

There will be no victory for the US there, ever.

DOWn, baby, DOWn!

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Check out the BBC's The Power of Nightmares
Posted by: GatoPreto on Sep 3, 2009 3:56 AM   
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if you haven't already. There's a CIA guy in there says Al Qaeda is pure fiction to rally the masses behind the phony War on Terror (tm). I don't think a lot of people here need to learn that but it may help sway some of your more stubborn relatives and friends.

Watch it, burn it on CD, and pass it around. This madness has got to end.
http://tinyurl.com/n2du5z

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morgan1
Posted by: morgan1 on Sep 3, 2009 4:25 AM   
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In brief I believe the legacy of Obama will be he made many promises and delivered on none. History may show his Administration to be one of the worst of all times. Everyone says how smart he is but he has trapped himself by his own rhetoric. Intellectuals, as he seems to be, have a tendency to live in the clouds and fail on mother earth. He's just a smooth talker who is another puppet as was Bush. He lied about bringing the country back from all the damage done by Bush but he is continuing all those policies and expanded the war as well as the hiring of mercenaries. This road leads inevitably to a failed democracy and fascism.It's business as usual. We (Common man) are being ground down while they are becoming more wealthy and increasingly public about who they are: Greedy land barons with everyone else a slave or servant.

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Viet-ghanistan
Posted by: MyLeftFoot on Sep 3, 2009 5:33 AM   
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n/t

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Meaningless "Victory"
Posted by: vkobaya1 on Sep 3, 2009 5:40 AM   
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If we won and declared victory in Afghanistan, would it mean we won the war on terrorism? No, of course not. We can't win the war on terrorism, it isn't confined to single nation or even multiple nations. Even if we defeated Afghanistan, the real terrorists in this country are home grown, the crackpot, crazed radical right that bombed the Oklahoma city building and continue to bring terrorism to this country. The crazies who carry guns openly to intimidate and threaten legitimately peaceful citizens. Said that our intelligence agencies have stopped a couple thousand right wing acts of terrorism since 9/11.

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Nothing so amazes me, and nothing demonstrates more clearly . . .
Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Sep 3, 2009 5:52 AM   
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Nothing so amazes me - and nothing demonstrates more clearly the power of the media and the CIA Operation MOCKINGBIRD that controls it - than a people who continue to believe against all evidence that their country is still governmed by politics and a representative government.

Election after election since World War II, "change" after change after change, lie after lie after lie, a demonstration of mendacity like being hammered metronymically, the prole U.S. public watches and responds like children enamored of Santa Claus await his arrival.

GOD DAMN - it's like waking to find yourself in an asylum for the insane with no way out.

How the hell can anyone with even the dimmest knowledge of history, how can anyone with even the most tenuous grasp of reality, fail to see what has happened? How can anyone observing the Brobdingnagian growth of the military industrial complex outgoing President Eisenhower warned of fail to realize? How does anyone aware of 752 military basis in 124 countries, of sixty-five plus nuclear submarines, of thirteen of fourteen nuclear aircraft carriers, of fleets of warplanes costing tens of millions, even billions of dollars per copy, and of eight hundred billion dollar a year expenditures on the military fail to realize?

How can anyone watching the relentlessly continual incident of war - war for reasons so infantile as to be utterly ludicrous ("American interests" - WHAT interests?!) - fail to at least suspect the military industrial complex coup d'etat that has occurred?

How can anything sentient fail to recognize that someone higher than the whorehouse on the Potomac is "in power" and control?

Well, someone once said that perception is reality. And "perception" means the media.
Q.E.D.

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I love it when Ames pretends to be a serious person...
Posted by: Grozny_Guy on Sep 3, 2009 6:07 AM   
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Shouldn't he be googling up more dirt on Larry Summer's plumber or Megan Mcardle's aunt or whatever?

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Yet Another Gift from the Neocon Scum
Posted by: closecrater on Sep 3, 2009 6:14 AM   
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If you can remember back to 2002 we WERE winning in Afghanistan. We had those smelly Talibs on the run. But then Bush in a "let me show dad whose d!ck is bigger" contest decided we had to take on Iraq and moved all the seasoned troops and units out of Afghanistan, back burnered it for a few years and here we are. (Please note - the main guy responsible for 9-11, bin Laden, is still on the loose after 7 years of Bush as Commander in Chief.) If we pull out (like we did in 89) Afghanistan will become a bigger, more dangerous Somalia - which we can't have. So we're stuck. we have to see it through.

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Bush44
Posted by: mjt on Sep 3, 2009 6:26 AM   
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Kill Maim Destroy Waste

We could have taken out the terrorist training camps and left these poor people to them selves. But no, Bush43 had to prove that he was more capable than anyone else in history. Against all rational advice, Bush43 decided he wanted to be the first successful invader of Afghanistan since the Mongol invasion of 1200.

When will we ever learn to leave other people alone? We don't help them evolve up the societal curve by killing and maiming them. We just drive them further down into poverty, hatred and fundamentalism. We are also doing the same in our own society, just not directly killing and maiming on our own soil.

You can do more to change culture and national behavior in the third world with bluejeans, Ipods, clean well water, medical care and some educational assistance. Ever so much cheaper, more effective. No moral hangover, no collateral damage to our own economy.

But stuck in an ethical and intellectual rut, Bush44 repeats the mistakes of Bush43, and to his everlasting debit, enlarges them.

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Remember, folks...
Posted by: ETSpoon on Sep 3, 2009 6:33 AM   
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I don't want to hear a peep...a whimper...a squawk...or a squeak out of any of you when the Taliban march into downtown Kabul, round-up a bunch of women and begin murdering them for the television cameras in the soccer stadium for imagined offenses to the Qur'an, a book no one can read much less understand. Once again an Abrahamic religion rears its ugly head.

I don't want to hear or read one word about how terrible the Taliban is because these turbaned punks, many of whom are the sons of our old mujahideen buddies from twenty years ago, stop little Afghan girls from going to school.

And I especially don't what to hear one word of surprise or shock or indignation when our fighting soldiers and Marines march off those airliners and up to the TV cameras and tell the world, they could have finished the "job" (that "job" being to kill as many Afghans as humanly possible) if the politicians and "liberals" hadn't stabbed them in the back!

Believe me, we will hear interviews echoing those sentiments from returning G.I.s and Marines once some one pulls the plug on this thing in Afghanistan. Why? Because this is an All Volunteer Force, the bastard child of anti-Vietnam war activists and Richard Nixon, midwifed by free market Jesus, Milton J. Friedman. Our men and women in uniform are there because they want to be there. never mind if it is because of economic necessity, just don't take my son to be a soldier. Take the neighbor's boy.

Another reason many returning vets will be ungrateful because President Obama or the Congress or whomever pulled their sorry asses out of Afghan quagmire is because they were doing "God's" work killing and/or converting heathen Muslims. Remember this Alternet.org article from April 21, 2007 Birth of the Christian Soldier: How Evangelicals Infiltrated the American Military, by Michael L. Weinstein and David Seay, Thomas Dunne Books? Or how about this news story from Agence France Presse from February 13, 2008 US military accused of harboring fundamentalism. Or This one from Democracy Now! from May of this year: “The Crusade for a Christian Military”: Are US Forces Trying to Convert Afghans to Christianity?

Won't that be just great. A bunch of pissed off ex-Marine, ex-paratrooper snake-handlers and holy rollers ready, willing and able to convert the country to their twisted "Taliban" version of Christianity by force if necessary. Quite frankly, I think I'd rather we funnel off these armed and dangerous Jesus-loving pinheads off to fight and die, especially die, in a pointless war in a foreign land than hand them to jobs in our civilian police departments.

Whatever the out-come in Afghanistan, it will not be pretty. But a percipitious withdrawal, say within 90 days, will have even uglier repercussions domestically.

Please think about it. You have been warned.

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George Washington Was Right
Posted by: NoPCZone on Sep 3, 2009 6:48 AM   
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Observe good faith and justice towards all nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all...

In the execution of such a plan, nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable, when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur. Hence, frequent collisions, obstinate, envenomed, and bloody contests. The nation, prompted by ill-will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the government, contrary to the best calculations of policy...The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of nations, has been the victim.

So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.

As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practice the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the public councils...

Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy to be useful must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.

The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible...

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dipconsult
Posted by: dipconsult on Sep 3, 2009 6:49 AM   
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As our web site www.dipconsult.eu points out in several places ever since september 2002 we have warned repeatedly all the politicians and media people we know that the Bush/Blair invasion of Iraq would inevitably have disastrous consequences for the occupation of Afghanistan.

Probably the invasion of Afghanistan was politically inevitable given that it was used as a platform for Al Qaeda not only for managing 9/11 but for the preceding terrorists acts.

But it was high risk and the invasion was only successful because it used warlords for success and so the occupation and resultant Afghan government were beholden to them. And Aghanistan's history showed it to be even more opposed to occupation than most countries.

So Bush had only say three years to use his then immense worldwide support to get the funding and international expertise to make a real difference in rebuilding Afghanistan after the Soviet war and the civil wars(s) which followed - not to speak of the devastation caused by thew Taliban.

But against all common sense and the dire warnings of we Cassandras - some very highly placed (like Senators Bird and Kennedy and Brent Scowcroft and our British Robin Cook) - Bush/Blair wrecked then then good chances for a crash programme in Afghanistan by invading Iraq which then had for years the top priority for troops, expertise, and funding. Perhaps worse - wide international support for Bush from virtually every significant nation (including China and Russia and at least tacit support from Muslim countries).

Anti-Americanism soared worldwide - even in the UK. And Afghanistan remained on hold with no takers - not even Nato members - to share the financial and military burden.

By the time Obama came to power Afghanistan was all but lost. He inherited two "Vietnams" - in Iraq and Afghanistan. The problem is to leave both countries with the least possible damage to US and Western interests, and indeed to the interests of all countries opposed to international terrorism .

OK - that's the diagnosis. What's to be done? First there has to be a holding operation - no doubt involving temporary increased troop levels. Second there must be far less "collateral damage" - Vietnam was lost more by |"collateral damage" than any other facto - the writer was there twice during the war and found the entire population was anti-American from the President to the girl in the rice field.

Third - Bush's confrontation must be followed by a chastened US seeking international cooperation - not for fighting but for bringing about real change: a) in government, no matter who is proclaimed winner of flawed elections, b)in mounting wherever possible real effective reconstruction that will be felt by every Afghan who benefits. This would be a big incentive to others to want to better heir conditions - what does the Taliban offer? c) the mere re-asssembly of the support Bush had in the beginning in 2001 would go a long way to change the entire situation. Russia and China - and Iran - for example do not want the Taliban back giving a base to Al Qaeda.

Think cooperation as the only means left to try to get America out of this "Vietnam" that Bush made. Think - what would you do if you were Obama? Just pack up and go? Think through the consequences.

But for any success in getting international cooperation, Obama will have to show he really is moving America back to international cooperation and away from confrontation. And that means for starters making a real move to resolve the Israel Palestine running sore by standing up to Israel's hard line government in favour of America's and the world's real interests. Right now that means stopping settlement spread. It is still Palestine that is the recruiting serjeant for Al Qaeda and Muslim extremism.

Maybe it is too late now after Bush.

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dipconsult
Posted by: dipconsult on Sep 3, 2009 6:51 AM   
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As our web site www.dipconsult.eu points out in several places ever since september 2002 we have warned repeatedly all the politicians and media people we know that the Bush/Blair invasion of Iraq would inevitably have disastrous consequences for the occupation of Afghanistan.

Probably the invasion of Afghanistan was politically inevitable given that it was used as a platform for Al Qaeda not only for managing 9/11 but for the preceding terrorists acts.

But it was high risk and the invasion was only successful because it used warlords for success and so the occupation and resultant Afghan government were beholden to them. And Aghanistan's history showed it to be even more opposed to occupation than most countries.

So Bush had only say three years to use his then immense worldwide support to get the funding and international expertise to make a real difference in rebuilding Afghanistan after the Soviet war and the civil wars(s) which followed - not to speak of the devastation caused by thew Taliban.

But against all common sense and the dire warnings of we Cassandras - some very highly placed (like Senators Bird and Kennedy and Brent Scowcroft and our British Robin Cook) - Bush/Blair wrecked then then good chances for a crash programme in Afghanistan by invading Iraq which then had for years the top priority for troops, expertise, and funding. Perhaps worse - wide international support for Bush from virtually every significant nation (including China and Russia and at least tacit support from Muslim countries).

Anti-Americanism soared worldwide - even in the UK. And Afghanistan remained on hold with no takers - not even Nato members - to share the financial and military burden.

By the time Obama came to power Afghanistan was all but lost. He inherited two "Vietnams" - in Iraq and Afghanistan. The problem is to leave both countries with the least possible damage to US and Western interests, and indeed to the interests of all countries opposed to international terrorism .

OK - that's the diagnosis. What's to be done? First there has to be a holding operation - no doubt involving temporary increased troop levels. Second there must be far less "collateral damage" - Vietnam was lost more by |"collateral damage" than any other facto - the writer was there twice during the war and found the entire population was anti-American from the President to the girl in the rice field.

Third - Bush's confrontation must be followed by a chastened US seeking international cooperation - not for fighting but for bringing about real change: a) in government, no matter who is proclaimed winner of flawed elections, b)in mounting wherever possible real effective reconstruction that will be felt by every Afghan who benefits. This would be a big incentive to others to want to better heir conditions - what does the Taliban offer? c) the mere re-asssembly of the support Bush had in the beginning in 2001 would go a long way to change the entire situation. Russia and China - and Iran - for example do not want the Taliban back giving a base to Al Qaeda.

Think cooperation as the only means left to try to get America out of this "Vietnam" that Bush made. Think - what would you do if you were Obama? Just pack up and go? Think through the consequences.

But for any success in getting international cooperation, Obama will have to show he really is moving America back to international cooperation and away from confrontation. And that means for starters making a real move to resolve the Israel Palestine running sore by standing up to Israel's hard line government in favour of America's and the world's real interests. Right now that means stopping settlement spread. It is still Palestine that is the recruiting serjeant for Al Qaeda and Muslim extremism.

Maybe it is too late now after Bush.

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Its not just Afghanistan....
Posted by: xi_people on Sep 3, 2009 7:18 AM   
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Did you know that the people in Islamabad, Pakistan are worried sick about the sight of American military personnel and military vehicles all over the capital? And that houses are being "leased" to American "planners" in residential areas, then promptly barricaded?

Did you know that another "largest embassy in the world" is being planned for Pakistan? Does this sound like "change you can believe in"?

Remember all those rumors about Bush/Cheney refusing to leave office? It turns out that the "democratic" process was allowed to go forward because the PTB already had their next puppet lined up; someone who would fool the people into thinking that some kind of change was occurring, while the same policies would continue uninterrupted.

If Obama thinks that people will continue to be dazzled by his smile, he has a big awakening coming. It is now very clear what he is, and that masses of supporters were handily duped.

To those who scoffed when they were warned that Obama had the potential to be worse than Bush, you were warned.

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What has America learned after Vietnam? Nothing it seems.
Posted by: jwverez on Sep 3, 2009 7:30 AM   
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And here we go again. How many young people will have to die for this poorly trained, poorly funded and with more stipulations, brainwashed into thinking that fighting and killing is cool whereas striving for peace is somehow unAmerican? I remember my days as a Vietnam War vet. I used to think that it was cool to serve and be patriotic but when I lost my limbs and my mentality, I cost not only myself but my family. When will the politicians in Washington listen to rhyme and reason and stop allowing the war machine to spin out of control?

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George Will may make a difference
Posted by: SteveA on Sep 3, 2009 7:32 AM   
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With the credibility George Will has gathered over the years, his call for us to bail on Afgh. may begin an avalanche of calls to withdraw. A ton of people who would give all for the U.S. see this rockpile as simply not ever worth the trouble.

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Empires just dont die overnight.
Posted by: troubleinmind254 on Sep 3, 2009 7:56 AM   
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Imperialism never stops just because they lose wars. Look at the Romans, British and all the other players in history. The Roman Republic and empires had military defeats but it did not stop them from hegemony. The British lost America but they still had the 19th century ahead of them. To Americans, Vietnam is a distant memory, a movie soundtrack. My fear is that despite the outcome in Iraq and Afghanistan; the imperial ambitions of our leadership will continue and even succeed, to the determent of American society and culture and the future of humanity.

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Is it Obama's fault?
Posted by: austex_chris on Sep 3, 2009 8:01 AM   
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I disagreed with Obama's plan to add more troops in Afghanistan from day one, but I recognize that this was a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I have a degree in Middle Eastern Studies, so I know a thing or two about the situation. Afghanistan is not a winnable war, period. There is nothing to win. It has been a lawless, wild area for as long as anyone can remember, heck Alexander's army generals could have told you not to get bogged down there.

I was one of the few people who opposed the invasion of Afghanistan in the first place, there was way too much public support for the invasion in the wake of 9/11. Any one who knew anything about the region would have known that it was a bad idea. But Bush put us in the worst position, because now there are only two options:

1) Add more troops to Afghanistan and fight off the Taliban as best you can, knowing that the terrain and culture will make it near impossible to ever win, but at least you can prevent the Taliban from taking over at the cost of war casualties.

2) Pull out and let the Taliban eventually take over again (and they will) and just ignore the carnage that ensues as a result of the withdrawal. There will be retribution for anyone who is thought to be someone who worked with the Americans and they will take their culture back to the violent and misogynist way it was before the invasion.

There are no other political options. There will never be a western style democracy there, it just does not fit into the culture. War there only creates more resentment and terrorists. The more civilian casualties there are, the more potential recruits there are for extremists.

So sure, we can be mad about more casualties in the US military. But the alternative of letting Afghanistan fall is just as bad, if not worse. So the question is, how much can we blame Obama? He is not Superman, he can't solve this problem. He is screwed either way.

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We can win this Afghanistan war and -----
Posted by: symcokid on Sep 3, 2009 8:11 AM   
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I believe Obama is on the right track, send all the elegible young men into battle right out of high school. There are no jobs for them anyway, very can afford college and besides that will keep them off the unemployment/welfare rolls, they will have a good career killing off the excesses of humanoids. Afghani's must be doing a lot of stuff that we don't like anyway so let's win another war.

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Been there, done that!
Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Sep 3, 2009 8:15 AM   
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More than 30 years ago I had the occasion to represent the daughter of the ruling family in Afghanistan. She had lupus that could not be corraled in Kabul and she solicted the aid of her mother, a trained nurse that had removed herself to London. They sought help in London, to no avail and it was decided to travel to Augusta, GA for help at the Medical College where the mother had trained years earlier. While in Augusta being evaluated for lupus, she contracted pneumonia and other symptoms directly related to in-care malpractice. I sued the State of Georgia seeking to overcome its defense of sovereign immunity and won a decision that enabled me to recover some compensation for the extended injury. While pursuing all of this, her father and all members of the ruling family in Kabul were killed and thus deposed. When I asked my clients about it they related the long history of tribal lords dominance in the country and power that was derived from international drug trade. They knew that no power on earth can extinguish that hold on power and with the emergence of the Taliban it is even stronger and more deeply entrenched. Russia learned what I did and after nine years had the good sense to get the hell out and leave it to the mongols and maggots that infest the nation. How do we then explain the sheer, irrefutable stupidity and corruption of USA, Inc. led by Bushshit and Obamarama? We can't. My solution is to transport all of our mindless perpetrators to Augusta for treatment and perhaps updated malpractice will trump tort reform and a international health hazard can be eliminated. It works for me!!!!!

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misleading term
Posted by: mike1997 on Sep 3, 2009 8:45 AM   
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Why do you continue to use the term "contractor" to describe the hired military personel fighting for the US? It is misleading to a great many (most?) people. When most of us hear the term contractor we think of the guys we hire to fix our roof or put in a new bathroom. In the context of this article, most people think "contractors" are over there working on Afgan roads or building schools or something. They are not. They are hired military personel.

We have a perfectly good, unambiguous term for such people; the term is mercenary. Use it.

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Three more years of Obama
Posted by: bh on Sep 3, 2009 8:55 AM   
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Obama is one and out! Honestly, you have to look real close to see the difference between Bush and Obama. He promised that the war's would end. Boy did we get fooled! This guy is a Republican, he really is.

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Why?
Posted by: Southern Gal on Sep 3, 2009 9:08 AM   
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I don't understand why we are fighting this war. We can't use traditional occupational armies effectively in a war to stop fanaticism and acts of terror. We are burning up soldiers, resources, goodwill among other nations and killing innocent civilians in this war. In addition to the human casualties there are the social and financial casualties. In all of the discussions going on now about health insurance reform, the economy, climate change, etc. no one mentions that most of our budget goes to the Pentagon and the military industrial complex for waging wars and making weapons of mass destruction. I am so disgusted with the lack of leadership by our Democrats and our president. Thank you Russ Feingold, Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinch and others who are questioning this war, the funding of this war and the Democrats lack of spine regarding making decisions about how we go about protecting our country from those who would harm its people and forging policies for interacting with other countries that will include integrity and true leadership in a world gone mad in waging religious and secular wars for power and resources.

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Why in the world are we still fighting in this rock garden called Afghanistan???
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Sep 3, 2009 9:14 AM   
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It looks like it was for the OIL & DRUGS all along, and Obama is in on it too!!!

Wake-up, sheeple!!!

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'ESCAPED MOST OF AMERICA'S ATTENTION' ?
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Sep 3, 2009 9:51 AM   
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Not quite. As with Iraq, most Americans are apathethic and indifferent. It's easy to fix blame, but the irresponsibility of doing nothing never comes up. What people DON'T know about our involement in Afganistan is shameful. Is it about natural gas and oil pipelines? Is it because Afgan women have to dress a certain way? Is it the poppies (opium)?
The much acclaimed General McChrystal feels we need a new starategy. I assume that's because the old one isn't working. It seems that 27,000 troops will be needed. McChrystal is a hard core warrior, I am not. Every American who comes home in a box is a victim of his failed strategy. I doubt that he sees it that way. Not his job. Because most of our elected officials have no military background, war is easy to sell. Bush and Cheney bought into the idea. It is an accepted military strategy to know when it becomes the responsibilty of the Generals to stop feeding our soldiers to their ego driven strategies. Realizing that it's time to quit is not cowardly. To continue doing what clearly does not work when it is costing lives, is treasonous. Every Afgan civilian who dies is an immoral act. McChrystal has to know that this is not the way to find the terrorists. It's a way to expand the war to include most of the Middle East. I like President Obama and believe him to be extremely bright. But intelligence is never across the board. The very smartest people have gaps and void in their vast amounts of knowledge. I think it's time for Obama to see that possibility in himself. Is he being sold a bill of goods by the people who make the goods? Maybe. Afte the Health Insurance debacle is won and he will win it I would like a detailed reason for Afganistan. No 'good war' Bull---t. He cannot use the word 'success'. I honestly don't believe he can justify not bringing everyone home. There's no speech good enough.

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funny how Americans didn't give a DAMN or even REMEMBER...
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Sep 3, 2009 9:58 AM   
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or FLAT OUT SAID IT DIDN'T MATTER IF IGNORING THE EVIDENCE & REPORTS GOT OBAMA ELECTED...

when CANADIANS were STUCK HOLDING DOWN HELMAND PROVINCE
while Americans threw us to the wolves. Your own Pentagon was astonished by Canada's work in Helmand. The EU was stunned by Canada's dedicated & less violent work there.
amazing.
but the American Public? couldn't give a damn if it didn't involve screaming "We're NUMBER ONE!, tickertape parades & the Stars N'Stripes...

Then Americans show up to carry their share & ACT LIKE FREAKY TRIGGER-HAPPY CHRISTIAN CRUSADERS... & roll out the Predator Drones...
& you're suddenly worried about AMERICANS?

...not the Afghans
...not the Pakistani
...not the OTHER NATO MEMBERS YOU ABANDONED...

nah... but when you're in debt up to your eyeballs & throwing YOUR LAST REMAINING ASSET into the warzone to hold off your creditors chasing down your other DEBT COLLATERAL

suddenly, Americans are demanding NATO CARRY YOUR WATER for you again

& you can't stop whinging about how horrible Afghanistan was.

THANKS FOR LISTENING TO US FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS!

& thanks is probably on its way from all the US troops WHO TOLD YOU AFGHANISTAN MADE IRAQ LOOK LIKE A TEAPARTY.

congratulations.

American arrogance reigns again: but you'd never know it, because you didn't listen to anybody but yourselves to get what you wanted.

Now you've got Obama & his Afghan mission: ENJOY!!

I hope NATO pulls out & leaves you there to enjoy what you started when you wouldn't TAKE OBL WHEN HE WAS OFFERED.

Hell, OBL is probably long gone & living on a remote beach island in Indonesia by now...

wow, Americans are self-centred.

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Karma brings us full circle - Carter sponsored a trap for the Soviet, Reagan/Bush fed and grew
Posted by: MeyravLevine on Sep 3, 2009 10:18 AM   
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the Jihadist movement against the Soviet.

Clinton hoped backing Taliban would allow control of the region and create a threat to Iran; not to mention UNICOL would have access to oil & gas resources.

And now? Nothing has changed. The US geo-political goal to maintain primary power requires it to setup bases in Afghanistan where it can launch military strikes against Iran, develop in-roads into the oil & gas resources in Central Asian countries and check Russian influence.

Unfortunately, Afghans don't want to cooperate with our strategic goals.

Is Obama going to pull us out of Afghan - actually AF-PAK?

We are in a lose-lose sitaution. Bush's fucked up decission to go to war has destabilized the entire region. The only solution is to sit-down and have good-faith negotiations with all parties involved.

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some 'liberal'
Posted by: tazdelaney on Sep 3, 2009 10:29 AM   
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in 1968, hersh managed to expose his photos of my lai, one of over 200 such events in 'operation hamlet (later exported to el salvador, guatemala, etc.), hundreds of defenseless civilians including some 80 babies and children executed and thrown onto a muddy road... that and the lost tet offensive and by mid-summer over 60% of americans wanted out of the vietnam war. 6 years and another million deaths later... that set of wars ends. it is called demockery and the apathetic inaction of a largely hypnotized public that doesn't understand democracy often requires a riot, not a sleep-in.

should be noted that 'liberal' woodrow wilson dragged the US into WWI to help fight 'the last of the king's wars' under the phrases 'the war to end all wars' and 'the war to make the world safe for democracy.' then 'liberal' FDR watches while senator prescott BUSH routes billions in money and technology from such as rockefeller/ford/GM/chrysler/dupont/kennedy to the nazis. Speer wrote in his journal that if not for america giving germany tank and tread tech, they never could've invaded anywhere... senator BUSH was convicted of 'trading with the enemy' in 1942, yet never did a day in prison as he was rich and strings to pull...

'liberal' truman nukes japan to show the soviets our new toy, then grants thousands of nazis immunity so as to import them into CIA/science/policing. truman creates the national security state, which can just be shortened to 'natse' as we now see. gives us the korean war. backs such thugs as batista and somoza, too.

then 'liberal' JFK sets up what senator frank church later called 'the golden triangle war' in vietnam (cambodia, laos, too.) 'liberal' LBJ kills a million vietnamese after the faked photos of the 'gulf of tonkin' incident fools all but two members of the entire congress (democrat morse of oregon, republican grunig of alaska voted against as they weren't just going baaaaa like the rest of the sheep.)

'liberal' carter says no more arms to the shah of iran, gets off of air force one and immediately gives the shah the most arms ever. 'liberal' clinton backs the genocidal embargo that killed at least 800,000 iraqis, over half a million children by US admission; he continued to back the guatemalan junta's genocide of mayan natives as their lands were sought by oil and resorts firms. clinton continued to back peru's vicious fujimori, also a killer of native peoples and others, who now is imprisoned in peru. clinton had his own war crimes in the balkan conflict and albania.

now obama turns coat on every campaign promise and gives us the expanded iraq-afpak wars complete with bush-cheney CIA rendition program of outsourced torture and protection of war criminals to the hilt. after all, he will soon be facing such charges himself as his body bag count rises.

not to say that the dems are worse than the GOP when it comes to slaughter... republicans are fascists outright. democrats are fascists in sheep's clothing. it is all government by garbage, bribed from the get-go by the military-industrial complex Ike warned us about, (that none since has heeded.)

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There are three times as many US troops in Iraq as in Afghanistan -
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Sep 3, 2009 10:40 AM   
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Which hellish quagmire are we talking about? Has the media gone silent on Iraq because of this:

Iraq Violence Threatens Oil Deals

BAGHDAD, Aug. 27 (UPI) -- Recent events in Iraq have cast a pall over the government's plans to have a November auction for potentially lucrative oil contracts that are vital for the country's reconstruction.

Or because of this?

U.S. Death Toll at Record Low in Iraq, at Record High in Afghanistan, Sep 2, 2009

"There are currently 130,000 U.S. combat troops in Iraq, and Defense Secretary Robert Gates said at the end of July that if violence levels continue to stay low one of 14 combat units – about 5,000 personnel – may leave early, by the end of the year."

Troop levels in Afghanistan are only at 50,000 currently, up from 30,000 last year. By comparison, this means that we are still putting three times as much effort into Iraq than Afghanistan.

Not that you'd guess it from reading the U.S. press - but the deal appears to still be the same as it was under the Bush regime, going right back to Cheney's Energy Task Force Meetings in Feb 2001, featuring maps of Iraqi oilfields and lists of bidders - and guess who wasn't on that list?

Here's a blurb from the most recent round of Iraqi oil bids, UPI:

"All the other majors -- Exxon Mobil, Royal Dutch Shell and Chevron Corp. among them -- refused to lower their demands.

That's probably why no one is talking about Iraq - under Obama, Operation Iraqi Oil is proceeding just as it did under Bush.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/53390

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Vietnam, Vietnam, Vietnam
Posted by: badkitty on Sep 3, 2009 10:47 AM   
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we've all been there. Didn't Michael Herr say that? Okay, so apparently a lot of people who should know, don't. I refer, of course, to our joke of a military, who obviously NEVER learned a thing from Vietnam and who will relive it until we abolish the Department of Defense, and our congressmembers who are old enough to remember, who support these illegal wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Common sense and just general knowledge tell us that Barack Obama has been president for less than nine months. He inherited these wars started by people who although they didn't serve in Vietnam, wanted to fight it over again. I'm hoping that in these eight months, he has given the military enough rope to hang itself. Now that McChrystal has come back and said he needs more troops, it's time to say, "gee, I'm sorry, I think we'll leave instead". Obama is, by no stretch of the imagination, George W. Bush or Ronald Reagan. He was handed a very bad situation in every respect, economy, war, deficits, and worst of all, climate change. He's doing the best he can, and I hope he's learned that bipartisanship is a no go. He needs to end this war now, troops out by Christmas, and just ignore the weeping and wailing of the Republicans and their supporters. Next year he can really cut the defense budget, or get rid of it altogether.

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the always quotable
Posted by: tazdelaney on Sep 3, 2009 10:54 AM   
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oscar wilde said, "no power on earth can remove the grip a society has on its own throat."

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USSR had 125,000 troops in Afghanistan
Posted by: Garvagh on Sep 3, 2009 11:04 AM   
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The General Staff of the Soviet Union opposed the 1979 invasion and predicted disaster. By contrast, US generals have been all too keen on trying to convince Obama that the US is the country that ought to be taking the lead in Afghanistan, when all evidence is to the contrary. The Soviets won almost every battle fought with the insurgents, year in and year out, but finally had to throw in the towel because "winning" battles ultimately meant little or nothing. How many more hundreds of billions of dollars will Obama squander on the Iraq and Afghan military adventures? Why does he fail to encourage Russia, China and Iran to step forward? Iran's offers of help were ignored by the Bush administration, after the indiotic invasion of Iraq.

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why is any of this surprising?
Posted by: spanky on Sep 3, 2009 11:24 AM   
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Obama is, very much like Bush but for totally different reasons, an effective pitch man and actor representing a firmly entrenched power structure. He was chosen as merely the new face for the empire, one that inspired the people to believe a new direction was coming.

And the people, satiated and exhausted by the orgy of the campaign, have returned to their lives, leaving the elites to their own devices for another 4 years, as always.

I forgot who said this, but the fact that he was *allowed* to be elected president tells you everything you need to know about the extent to which he will be *allowed* to change things.

ps: I voted for Obama

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The public be damned.
Posted by: zigy on Sep 3, 2009 11:54 AM   
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Obama's geopolitical strategy (as formulated by Z. Brezinski) is to move away from Iraq and thus a walling off of the Arabian peninsula (which was the Neo-cons strategy, now largely discredited ) to engage in a pincer move surrounding the new (pursuant to the 1999 Shanghi accord) Sino-Russia-Iran-central asian republic alliance. This alliance is understood by Brezinski to be the means to monopolize central asian oil and gas deposits around the Caspian basin. Brezinski knows full well that if the Shanghi accord succeeds in its intent, it will be an unmitigated disaster for the United States as far as obtaining its future energy needs. Pursuant to this view, the Shanghi Accord nations must be "contained" and destabilized while pipelines are secured accessing ports of U. S. allies. Thus this war will continue to expand east with no end in sight, either short or long term. Sad to say our strategists see this Af-Pk war as critical to our long term future. Sadder to say, if the "American lifestyle" with all of its waste and profligacy is indeed as Dick Chainey has famously said, "nonnegotiable" this war may indeed be necessary.

Americans say they want out, but their lifestyle belies their words.

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Most Americans Don't Realise That Pagan Festivals Celebrating The Harvest Are Still Widespread
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Sep 3, 2009 12:01 PM   
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Amongst Rural Village Communities Across England...

They think we are making it up...

And we say - well this coming weekend - we are going to burn the Straw Jack...

They say - you mean Jack Straw - isn't he one of your War Criminals?

I say - Straw Jack

They say Jack Straw...

No Straw Jack

Check out The Original Version of the Wicker Man - rather than The Scottish remake - or even more dire - the American remake...

And you may get the idea...

I was going to post this on a Right Wing American Republican Website Populated by the KKK - but didn't have the balls.

They are Fucking Mad

Tony

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He hasn't got an anti-semitic bone in his body...
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Sep 3, 2009 1:38 PM   
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Sure he started on blondes - and they still keep comiing back for more...

But judging from the diversity of colours and supposed races and supposed religions...

Neither of our kids are in the slightest bit racially or religiously prejudiced whatsoever...

They both also are really Charitable human beings in the most fundamental understanding of that word...

They actually go out and help people - sometimes people they have never met in their life

We are so proud of them...

And when the latest Israeli attack happenned on the Palestinians - it wasn't my lad - who cut the plug on them and denied them any further access to the UK Backbone

It wasn't him that told them to

FUCK OFF

And despite them placing a massive new big order with him - for which he bought absolutely loads of new hardware - out of his money - for which he never received any payment - he was doing it on the basis of trust...

Like the UK authorities had never denied any of the Israelis physical access...

Now the Game Had Changed

You Cannot Do That

And So My Lad was suddenly a bit skint...

Cos he'd bought all this new hardware - which wasn't going to get paid for - and also a significant percentage of his current business

Had been banned access

You see - We do Have Som Principles in London

We did the same thing to the Apartheid in South Africa

We Ain't Fucking Having It

Tony

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