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Cruel and Unusual: Why Are We Doling Out Harsh Justice to Returning War Vets?
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Last March, a member of one of the U.S. military's special operations forces (SOF), home from Iraq for a family emergency, shot and killed a dog that attacked him on his front lawn. He is now facing multiple felony charges and maybe a prison sentence.
His story is as old as war, and like war, everything depends on who tells it.
At this soldier's request, I will call him Brian, although that is not his real name, and I will refer to his service unit simply as a special operations force (e.g., the Army's Green Berets, Delta Force, Rangers, or the Navy's SEALs), to protect the identity of the elite team he works with.
SOF members go to great lengths to guard their anonymity. Their missions are often clandestine and dangerous, not to mention controversial. And so, even the publicity of a trial, much less a felony conviction, would very likely deprive Brian of his career. He is still hoping a judge can be persuaded to dismiss the charges altogether -- hence his insistence on camouflaging his identity.
Brian joined the service in 1995, right after graduating from high school. By the time he was 25, he had completed the rigorous training required of a member of the SOF and has been deployed many times to various countries on classified assignments. He has a stellar military record, including a Bronze Star, and his civilian record is completely clean.
Family and friends I have reason to trust described him to me as "a straight arrow," "an outstanding soldier," "a good father" and "a good person."
Brian was granted an emergency leave to support his wife and family after she miscarried with their third child. He arrived on a Monday. On Tuesday, after dropping off his two sons at school, he returned home, and as he was walking from his car the dog attacked. He shot it three times with the handgun he legally carries. He then called 911.
The police arrived, heard Brian's account of what had happened, heard a number of neighbors tell stories about how dangerous the dog was and left without issuing Brian so much as a summons.
But several days later, two felony warrants issued and a misdemeanor charge by local animal control officers was made. And on Saturday morning, the county police arrived at his home, arrested and handcuffed him in front of his wife and children, and took him off to jail where he was held for three days.
Brian retained a local lawyer and, in the subsequent weeks, one of the felony charges and the misdemeanor charge were dropped. The felony animal-cruelty charge remained. But at his arraignment, he was charged with an additional felony (destruction of property) and three more misdemeanors (disorderly conduct, firing a weapon in a prohibited area and another animal-cruelty charge).
A trial date was set for September.
Blind Justice?
Iconographic representations of Lady Justice adorn many of the world's courthouses. With the scale she holds in one hand, she promises to weigh the evidence fairly, and with the sword she holds in the other, to enforce her decisions. She also wears a blindfold to indicate her impartiality to the social status or privilege of those who stand before her.
She is Blind Justice, but as William Ian Miller pointedly asks in his examination of the Talionic code (an eye for an eye), "Do you want to blindfold someone with a sword? It may not be wise to have her unable to see what she is striking. … And how is she supposed to read the scales, if she is blind?"
Objectivity is one of those ideals -- or ideas -- that simply don't exist in the real world.
Take incarcerated veterans. One might imagine that veterans would get equal, if not preferential, treatment when they come in contact with the criminal justice system. Not so.
Over three decades, surveys done by the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) have consistently found that veterans get longer sentences than non-veterans -- on average two years longer -- for the same crime.
And that is in spite of the fact that they tend to be better educated, are more likely to have been employed at the time of their arrest and are more likely to be in jail for a first offense -- all of which should be factors in their favor at sentencing.
Instead, they are held either to a higher standard, as in, "They should know better." Or a lower one that demonizes them, as in, "He's a trained killer. Think of our women and children. Get him off our streets." But either way, the scales of justice tend not to tip in favor of those who have served in the military.
Is that what is going on in Brian's case?
Arguably, Brian should never have been arrested, let alone charged. This dog had a reputation for aggressive behavior and had repeatedly tried to attack his wife and kids. On one occasion, it chased them into their house and continued to bark and snarl and leap at the glass storm door behind which they had retreated. His terrified wife filed a complaint with the local animal-control agency.
The dog's owner was ordered to keep the animal on her own property. That report is documented. It seems the owner had chosen to ignore -- and the dog had clearly not understood -- those instructions.
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Posted by: Libsrule on Aug 5, 2009 12:13 AM
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So someone needs to look into why they are not getting the help they need and better sentences.
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Posted by: johnwinthrop on Aug 5, 2009 2:13 AM
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The dog should get a posthumous medal.
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» the dog is a freedom fighter!
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Posted by: gazooks on Aug 5, 2009 4:23 AM
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Why this veteran is charged as he is is discretionary to the judgment of the magistrate or prosecuting attorney according to the applicable statutes of city/ county and/or state government.
In a disposable culture with a willful blind eye, justice rarely enters into the equation of law enforcement, just as it's absent from our foreign policies that require masses of specialized killers.
The residue of a rationalized amorality is always politics swayed by the contradictory and hypocritical views that a compromised and complicit society applies to it's "heros" and "villains" alike because we often can't distinguish between them or see past our own fears, self-interests and ambitions.
Another instance in a long list symptomatic of a dying culture.
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Posted by: leafsong1 on Aug 5, 2009 6:10 AM
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Beyond all of that, it should be noted that where the author uses the word "controversial" to describe some SF missions, a less compromising and more honest adjective would be "criminal." Even outside the SF's, soldiers guilty of waging aggressive war and other crimes against international law and humanity and who will never be punished for those crimes are common, and generally do not deserve to be the objects of sympathy, gratitude, or mercy.
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Posted by: phindrup on Aug 5, 2009 6:12 AM
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You trained them to slaughter innocents, men women and children, taught them that taking what they wanted at the point of a gun was the thing to do --- you will reap what you sowed!
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Posted by: xvictor on Aug 5, 2009 6:13 AM
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Some claim that Iraq is not like Vietnam. That is true. More U.S. servicewomen are killed in Iraq than in Vietnam. A lot more. Beyond that, barring the obvious topography, the differences blur.
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Posted by: itchyvet on Aug 5, 2009 6:39 AM
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Boy Oh Boy, what is it with Americans, they simply are unable to see the wood for the trees.
I'm a Vietnam Vet, (yeah I know, bloody dinosaur) but the fact is, Vietnam Vets were, AND ARE STILL TO THIS VERY DAY, treated in exactly the same manner.
The reason, good folks is simple, these people have swallowed the kool aid and beleived everything their Government and Authorities have told them throughout their lives until they set foot into the war zone.
Sadly, from that moment onwards, they discover everything they've ever believed in IS A LIE.
Put yourselves into their shoes, imagine you manage to survive and come home in one piece with just your mental capacity never ever to acheive the quilibrium it had prior to your departure, you cannot live as you did before, KNOWING it was an alternative parrallel reality, therefore the powers that be, must discredit you in every way they can, just in case you ever find someone clever enough to understand what you're telling them and then God forbid, spreading it about.
Why do you think your Vet hospitals are in such a dismal state, why do you think your military does not recognise PTSD as a medical condition ? DUH !
The other alternative is to do away with yourself, as thousands are doing,(Which your Govt is very pleased about) or to swallow eveything and jump on board the Govts train to nowhere, Yes Sir, No Sir three bags full Sir until retirement, always looking over your shoulder terrified you may upset your masters by a wrong word here or there.
And Americans have the gall to call their country Free and a Democracy ? WOW !
What will it take for you folks to wake up and see what's going on right before your blind eyes ?
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Kill one person & it's murder; kill thousands & it's just foreign policy.
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Posted by: Glasgow Smile on Aug 5, 2009 9:40 AM
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Check out the testimony at Winter Soldier for more of their horrific experiences.
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Posted by: willymack on Aug 5, 2009 9:59 AM
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They can be seen at their marinas, exclusive country clubs, and gala socials, aimed at praising them to the sky and elevating them to demigod status. Remember Julius Caesar?
As long as ordinary people fall for the racketeers' bullshit, they'll be marching off to phony wars, while the crooks stay safely at home and collect the profits.
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Posted by: tazdelaney on Aug 5, 2009 10:20 AM
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seems obvious that vets should be treated no differently than anyone else charged with a crime and 'justice' is supposed to be blind... but this just doesn't exist in actuality.
as with vietnam, the streets of america are now littered with homeless vets; which puts the lie to all the bumper stickers espousing 'we support our troops.' also, these returning, as in the fort collins battallion whose murder rate is 114x that of the general population shows that when men are brainwashed into being mass-murderers and torturers; they can't and don't just turn that off on returning home. there is no on-off switch for the artificial psycho killer.
the vet in question over the dog killing is described as 'a good soldier.' but what does that mean? does that mean he killed a lot of people his government told him were the enemy? the nuremberg trials determined that just because one is ordered to commit murder or torture is not a justification. so, from the top down from bush and obama down to the guy doing the shooting... all should be charged as much as any murderer on america's streets. but, like caligula said, "as long as i keep rome happy; i can do as i like in the provinces." he'd've loved clusterbombs and 'rendition.'
i remember one day's headlines in the Durham Morning Herald... "Lt Calley Pardoned." right alongside this one, "CHarles Manson Sentenced To Life In Prison." this essentially said that having ordered the killings of 8 americans was a crime; while ordering the killings of 800 vietnamese was not.
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Posted by: guns4everyone on Aug 5, 2009 1:56 PM
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Maybe Ms Coleman could clear up a few questions since she is obviously so close to the facts in this case:
1 Why is Brian compelled to carry a gun for dropping his kids off at school ?
2 Was Brian actually being bitten or about to be, by this savage dog, or was it just barking at him
3 Since the initial-response cops obviously gave him the benefit of the doubt (three shots !?!? For a dog in the middle of a residential neighborhood !?!?) and only upon later investigation were complaints drawn up, is there some other aspect of 'Brians' behavior Ms Coleman is conveniently neglecting to tell us about ?
There is nothing automatically admirable about signing up for military service, especially when that service was and is part of a running campaign of unprovoked assualts upon and occupations of the weak and largely defenseless. In fact to anyone with even a smigen of morals, voluntary participation in the above is a crime against humanity as declared by the Nuremburg Tribunals not even mitigated by some bullshit "I was only following orders".
As far as returning vets being "unjustly" singled out maybe it's because they have to be (see www.alternet.org/story/18857/bringing_the_violence_home/
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Posted by: PaulK on Aug 5, 2009 9:11 PM
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1a. Sometimes they act like prisoners. Well, yes, they've been locked up in a barracks for years, yelled at a lot and deprived of sleep. The judge has seen cons before and applies the same standards.
1b. Maybe for some reason they remind the judge of the last domestic killer in the courtroom, all disconnected from feeling about killing people.
2a. They don't act normal. Brain concussions. 300,000 vets have brain injuries.
2b. The same with Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.
2c. Gulf War Syndrome. These guys are a bit crazy in the head because tiny amounts of toxic chemicals in the air travel straight to their mood centers through the nose-brain barriers, causing crazy moments. 250,000 vets have Gulf War Syndrome.
3. Two particular acts of war can mess people up: knowingly killing people, and seeing buddies killed. Some ex-soldiers come to terms with the bad dreams, and some don't.
4. Are ex-soldiers more prone to violence than the average person?
5. If nothing else, military training has given them a better physique. Do they look more threatening?
I may not know exactly why ex-soldiers are so messed or why they draw longer sentences, but I suspect the government could make a higher percentage of vets more normal if they tried.
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Posted by: blitzmesser on Aug 5, 2009 11:08 PM
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The dog only obeys orders of the decrepit "you". shame on you.
I would chose to save the dog, any day.
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Posted by: Libsrule on Aug 5, 2009 12:13 AM
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So someone needs to look into why they are not getting the help they need and better sentences.
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Posted by: johnwinthrop on Aug 5, 2009 2:13 AM
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The dog should get a posthumous medal.
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» the dog is a freedom fighter!
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Posted by: gazooks on Aug 5, 2009 4:23 AM
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Why this veteran is charged as he is is discretionary to the judgment of the magistrate or prosecuting attorney according to the applicable statutes of city/ county and/or state government.
In a disposable culture with a willful blind eye, justice rarely enters into the equation of law enforcement, just as it's absent from our foreign policies that require masses of specialized killers.
The residue of a rationalized amorality is always politics swayed by the contradictory and hypocritical views that a compromised and complicit society applies to it's "heros" and "villains" alike because we often can't distinguish between them or see past our own fears, self-interests and ambitions.
Another instance in a long list symptomatic of a dying culture.
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Posted by: leafsong1 on Aug 5, 2009 6:10 AM
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Beyond all of that, it should be noted that where the author uses the word "controversial" to describe some SF missions, a less compromising and more honest adjective would be "criminal." Even outside the SF's, soldiers guilty of waging aggressive war and other crimes against international law and humanity and who will never be punished for those crimes are common, and generally do not deserve to be the objects of sympathy, gratitude, or mercy.
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Posted by: phindrup on Aug 5, 2009 6:12 AM
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You trained them to slaughter innocents, men women and children, taught them that taking what they wanted at the point of a gun was the thing to do --- you will reap what you sowed!
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Posted by: xvictor on Aug 5, 2009 6:13 AM
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Some claim that Iraq is not like Vietnam. That is true. More U.S. servicewomen are killed in Iraq than in Vietnam. A lot more. Beyond that, barring the obvious topography, the differences blur.
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Posted by: itchyvet on Aug 5, 2009 6:39 AM
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Boy Oh Boy, what is it with Americans, they simply are unable to see the wood for the trees.
I'm a Vietnam Vet, (yeah I know, bloody dinosaur) but the fact is, Vietnam Vets were, AND ARE STILL TO THIS VERY DAY, treated in exactly the same manner.
The reason, good folks is simple, these people have swallowed the kool aid and beleived everything their Government and Authorities have told them throughout their lives until they set foot into the war zone.
Sadly, from that moment onwards, they discover everything they've ever believed in IS A LIE.
Put yourselves into their shoes, imagine you manage to survive and come home in one piece with just your mental capacity never ever to acheive the quilibrium it had prior to your departure, you cannot live as you did before, KNOWING it was an alternative parrallel reality, therefore the powers that be, must discredit you in every way they can, just in case you ever find someone clever enough to understand what you're telling them and then God forbid, spreading it about.
Why do you think your Vet hospitals are in such a dismal state, why do you think your military does not recognise PTSD as a medical condition ? DUH !
The other alternative is to do away with yourself, as thousands are doing,(Which your Govt is very pleased about) or to swallow eveything and jump on board the Govts train to nowhere, Yes Sir, No Sir three bags full Sir until retirement, always looking over your shoulder terrified you may upset your masters by a wrong word here or there.
And Americans have the gall to call their country Free and a Democracy ? WOW !
What will it take for you folks to wake up and see what's going on right before your blind eyes ?
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Aug 5, 2009 7:08 AM
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Kill one person & it's murder; kill thousands & it's just foreign policy.
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Posted by: Glasgow Smile on Aug 5, 2009 9:40 AM
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Check out the testimony at Winter Soldier for more of their horrific experiences.
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Posted by: willymack on Aug 5, 2009 9:59 AM
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They can be seen at their marinas, exclusive country clubs, and gala socials, aimed at praising them to the sky and elevating them to demigod status. Remember Julius Caesar?
As long as ordinary people fall for the racketeers' bullshit, they'll be marching off to phony wars, while the crooks stay safely at home and collect the profits.
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Posted by: tazdelaney on Aug 5, 2009 10:20 AM
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seems obvious that vets should be treated no differently than anyone else charged with a crime and 'justice' is supposed to be blind... but this just doesn't exist in actuality.
as with vietnam, the streets of america are now littered with homeless vets; which puts the lie to all the bumper stickers espousing 'we support our troops.' also, these returning, as in the fort collins battallion whose murder rate is 114x that of the general population shows that when men are brainwashed into being mass-murderers and torturers; they can't and don't just turn that off on returning home. there is no on-off switch for the artificial psycho killer.
the vet in question over the dog killing is described as 'a good soldier.' but what does that mean? does that mean he killed a lot of people his government told him were the enemy? the nuremberg trials determined that just because one is ordered to commit murder or torture is not a justification. so, from the top down from bush and obama down to the guy doing the shooting... all should be charged as much as any murderer on america's streets. but, like caligula said, "as long as i keep rome happy; i can do as i like in the provinces." he'd've loved clusterbombs and 'rendition.'
i remember one day's headlines in the Durham Morning Herald... "Lt Calley Pardoned." right alongside this one, "CHarles Manson Sentenced To Life In Prison." this essentially said that having ordered the killings of 8 americans was a crime; while ordering the killings of 800 vietnamese was not.
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Posted by: guns4everyone on Aug 5, 2009 1:56 PM
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Maybe Ms Coleman could clear up a few questions since she is obviously so close to the facts in this case:
1 Why is Brian compelled to carry a gun for dropping his kids off at school ?
2 Was Brian actually being bitten or about to be, by this savage dog, or was it just barking at him
3 Since the initial-response cops obviously gave him the benefit of the doubt (three shots !?!? For a dog in the middle of a residential neighborhood !?!?) and only upon later investigation were complaints drawn up, is there some other aspect of 'Brians' behavior Ms Coleman is conveniently neglecting to tell us about ?
There is nothing automatically admirable about signing up for military service, especially when that service was and is part of a running campaign of unprovoked assualts upon and occupations of the weak and largely defenseless. In fact to anyone with even a smigen of morals, voluntary participation in the above is a crime against humanity as declared by the Nuremburg Tribunals not even mitigated by some bullshit "I was only following orders".
As far as returning vets being "unjustly" singled out maybe it's because they have to be (see www.alternet.org/story/18857/bringing_the_violence_home/
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Posted by: Frank J. Burris on Aug 5, 2009 2:23 PM
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Posted by: PaulK on Aug 5, 2009 9:11 PM
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1a. Sometimes they act like prisoners. Well, yes, they've been locked up in a barracks for years, yelled at a lot and deprived of sleep. The judge has seen cons before and applies the same standards.
1b. Maybe for some reason they remind the judge of the last domestic killer in the courtroom, all disconnected from feeling about killing people.
2a. They don't act normal. Brain concussions. 300,000 vets have brain injuries.
2b. The same with Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.
2c. Gulf War Syndrome. These guys are a bit crazy in the head because tiny amounts of toxic chemicals in the air travel straight to their mood centers through the nose-brain barriers, causing crazy moments. 250,000 vets have Gulf War Syndrome.
3. Two particular acts of war can mess people up: knowingly killing people, and seeing buddies killed. Some ex-soldiers come to terms with the bad dreams, and some don't.
4. Are ex-soldiers more prone to violence than the average person?
5. If nothing else, military training has given them a better physique. Do they look more threatening?
I may not know exactly why ex-soldiers are so messed or why they draw longer sentences, but I suspect the government could make a higher percentage of vets more normal if they tried.
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Posted by: blitzmesser on Aug 5, 2009 11:08 PM
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The dog only obeys orders of the decrepit "you". shame on you.
I would chose to save the dog, any day.
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