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How Constant War Became the American Way of Life
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On July 16, in a speech to the Economic Club of Chicago, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates said that the "central question" for the defense of the United States was how the military should be "organized, equipped -- and funded -- in the years ahead, to win the wars we are in while being prepared for threats on or beyond the horizon." The phrase beyond the horizon ought to sound ominous. Was Gates telling his audience of civic-minded business leaders to spend more money on defense in order to counter threats whose very existence no one could answer for? Given the public acceptance of American militarism, he could speak in the knowledge that the awkward challenge would never be posed.
We have begun to talk casually about our wars; and this should be surprising for several reasons. To begin with, in the history of the United States war has never been considered the normal state of things. For two centuries, Americans were taught to think war itself an aberration, and "wars" in the plural could only have seemed doubly aberrant. Younger generations of Americans, however, are now being taught to expect no end of war -- and no end of wars.
For anyone born during World War II, or in the early years of the Cold War, the hope of international progress toward the reduction of armed conflict remains a palpable memory. After all, the menace of the Axis powers, whose state apparatus was fed by wars, had been stopped definitively by the concerted action of Soviet Russia, Great Britain, and the United States. The founding of the United Nations extended a larger hope for a general peace. Organizations like the Committee for a Sane Nuclear Policy (SANE) and the Union of Concerned Scientists reminded people in the West, as well as in the Communist bloc, of a truth that everyone knew already: the world had to advance beyond war. The French philosopher Alain Finkielkraut called this brief interval "the Second Enlightenment" partly because of the unity of desire for a world at peace. And the name Second Enlightenment is far from absurd. The years after the worst of wars were marked by a sentiment of universal disgust with the very idea of war.
In the 1950s, the only possible war between the great powers, the U.S. and the Soviet Union, would have been a nuclear war; and the horror of assured destruction was so monstrous, the prospect of the aftermath so unforgivable, that the only alternative appeared to be a design for peace. John F. Kennedy saw this plainly when he pressed for ratification of the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty -- the greatest achievement of his administration.
He signed it on October 7, 1963, six weeks before he was killed, and it marked the first great step away from war in a generation. Who could have predicted that the next step would take 23 years, until the imagination of Ronald Reagan took fire from the imagination of Mikhail Gorbachev in Reykjavik? The delay after Reykjavik has now lasted almost another quarter-century; and though Barack Obama speaks the language of progress, it is not yet clear whether he has the courage of Kennedy or the imagination of Gorbachev and Reagan.
Forgetting Vietnam
In the twentieth century, as in the nineteenth, smaller wars have "locked in" a mentality for wars that last a decade or longer. The Korean War put Americans in the necessary state of fear to permit the conduct of the Cold War -- one of whose shibboleths, the identification of the island of Formosa as the real China, was developed by the pro-war lobby around the Nationalist Chinese leader Chiang Kai-shek. Yet the Korean War took place in some measure under U.N. auspices, and neither it nor the Vietnam War, fierce and destructive as they were, altered the view that war as such was a relic of the barbarous past.
Vietnam was the by-product of a "containment" policy against the Soviet Union that spun out of control: a small counterinsurgency that grew to the scale of almost unlimited war. Even so, persistent talk of peace -- of a kind we do not hear these days -- formed a counterpoint to the last six years of Vietnam, and there was never a suggestion that another such war would naturally follow because we had enemies everywhere on the planet and the way you dealt with enemies was to invade and bomb.
America's failure of moral awareness when it came to Vietnam had little to do with an enchantment with war as such. In a sense the opposite was true. The failure lay, in large part, in a tendency to treat the war as a singular "nightmare," beyond the reach of history; something that happened to us, not something we did. A belief was shared by opponents and supporters of the war that nothing like this must ever be allowed to happen to us again.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 23, 2009 1:52 AM
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I appreciated the depth and scope of David Bromwich's article but I must say it was not for the average crowd ... the crowd we must convince of the sheer terror and immorality of war in general ... or the crowd in Congress that underwrites our Congressional Military Industrial Complex ...
On such people the arguments against war fall on deaf ears ... We need the tools to fight these people in the battle over public opinion and the Federalist Papers are not an effective weapon ...
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» RE: xcellent Article ,,, Excellent Arguments ...
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» The press follows the Orwellian path more than anything else........
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» Yeh, you are not alone
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» RE: xcellent Article ,,, Excellent Arguments ...
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» Hope you are happy, GuitarBill, you got my comment removed.
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» Oh, I see. I must comply with AlterNet's rules, but you are exempt from the rules.
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» GB, you seldom have a comment that actually complies with the rules.....
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» Listen @$$, you violated the rules FIRST!
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» RE: Bilo - Grover Norquist or Current COINTELPRO? Take your pick
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» let me guess... Hypocrite outed Bromwish as a JEW?
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» Yo PF! Would you like to see a photo of Steven Jones working with neo-Nazi Christopher Bollyn?
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» Who cares? -- the Germans had a point.
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» Yo PF! Santa Claus is "Q Group", and he's coming to get you!
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» RE: Yo PF! Santa Claus is "Q Group", and he's coming to get you!
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» More historical amnesia?
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» RE: More historical amnesia?
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» BS!
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» RE: More historical amnesia?
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» RE: More historical amnesia?
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» Let it go!
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» RE: Let it go!
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» But any words that bring about the truth of 9/11 will get removed,
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» You obviously don't know anything about the evidence of 9/11.
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» "...Why are the American people so STUPID to believe the propaganda that gets us into wars."
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» RE: "...Why are the American people so STUPID to believe the propaganda that gets us into wars?"
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» Are your parents siblings?
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» RE: Ad Hominum Attacks
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» Don't lecture me. I've forgotten more about logical fallacies than you'll ever know.
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» RE: Don't lecture me......
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» No @$$, it's called fighting fire-with-fire.
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» RE: What do you think?
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» Gallop's lawsuit awaits trial.
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» RE: Gallop's Lawsuit Will Never Make it to Trial.
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» Dishonesty becomes the Truthiness Movement.
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» RE: What is this a Tag Team Match?
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» I'm not going to "trash" April Gallop or her lawyers.
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» RE: Gallop's Lawsuit Will Never Make it to Trial.
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» RE: Gallop's Lawsuit Will Never Make it to Trial.
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» I read Gallop's lawsuit some time ago.
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» RE: I read Gallop's lawsuit some time ago.
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» Photographic evidence is "extremely weak"?
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» What you don't realize is that I used to be a 911 denier. Ask EncinoM, he'll tell you.
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» RE: Talk About the Blind Leading the Blind!
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» No, ad hominems there, right @$$hole?
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» RE: What you don't realize is that I used to be a 911 denier. Ask EncinoM, he'll tell you.
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» You're as useless as rubber lips on a woodpecker
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» You also fail to realize that as a former 911 denier, I have a unique perspective.
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» RE: Bilo's unique perspective - he's a Grover Norquist provocateur
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» ANybody notice that JEWS patrol these theads?
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Posted by: joebanana on Jul 23, 2009 4:06 AM
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Posted by: Ottomatic on Jul 23, 2009 4:28 AM
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Do the soldiers know?
Who'll tell them?
About The Big Business of War
Who pays for?
The Bombs that Blow up the World
Who pays for?
This stinking War
It's Big Business
A Dirty Business
The Big Business of War?
We have No money for Education!
We have No money for Health Care!
All we have is this crazy War!
It's a Bush Chainey
Halliburton Carlye
Dirty War!
Who pays for the Planes?
Blowing up Wedding parties in Afghanistan
Who pays for?
This evil War
We all do!
Over three million million Dollars missing
In The Pentagon
“WAR MACHINES” budget
Now,
That’s what I call accountability!
The Big Business of War
by
Otto & The Hemorrhoids
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» RE: The BIG BUSINESS of WAR!
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Posted by: pelican beak on Jul 23, 2009 4:46 AM
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and suckers for excuses to do it.
The meta-war is the one we wage in our souls, against peace.
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Posted by: theblackgeorgecarlin on Jul 23, 2009 5:06 AM
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Meanwhile, domestic terrorism is on the rise, but these domestic terrorist are ignored because they are white and white=good in the US,so they are ignored. The bankers dominate all levels of government and make billions and trillions from this recession and America's wars in Afghanistan,Iraq,Pakistan,and soon to be God-knows-who. But the corporate class is ignored because they are white and white=good.(Seriously, I remember in a political science class I was taking last year, getting laughed at for suggesting George Bush should be arrested for war crimes) Poverty is increasing,turning into the haves and have nots. Paranoia and fear will only increase in the coming years as the economy worsens and gas prices rise. Gun sales are on the rise. College is becoming more expensive. Many young people, as college becomes out of reach, are turning to the military. Also, the military sets up enlistment booths in high school,which is predatory, as high school students may not be mature enough to make that decision. And to make matters worse, the booths are set up in mostly poor areas. Shit, there was a military booth at my old high school,which was mostly Black and Hispanic, but the other,richer, and whiter high school didn't have one.
And the last major reason we have so many wars so easily is because we've never been invaded. So we don't have an idea how awful war is up close and personal. Well actually, we were invaded in the War of 1812,but that was nearly 2 centuries ago,well outside of living memory. And if you read your history books,you know we nearly lost that war,the British even burned down the white house,it was the French that saved our asses. All these recent wars have been wars of choice, with a all-volunteer military against small and poor nations. Imagine if Russia or China tries to invade.
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Posted by: fred_53_99 on Jul 23, 2009 5:30 AM
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» War is for the poor
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Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey on Jul 23, 2009 6:42 AM
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More importantly, the money had run out.
I suspect the American public is, similarly, much more ready to retract from these foreign adventures than most in our Ivy League establishment realize. Even without another lost war like Vietnam, the end of the imperial attitude could come pretty quickly.
The draft?... no way, it's never coming back.
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Posted by: Lex Thomas on Jul 23, 2009 6:49 AM
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Posted by: GatoPreto on Jul 23, 2009 7:39 AM
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Why are we in Afghanistan anyway? Whose war is it?
One former US commander provides some interesting insights you won't hear/read about in the US:
http://tinyurl.com/ltlgyy
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jul 23, 2009 8:11 AM
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Posted by: jvisher on Jul 23, 2009 8:17 AM
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It could be said that 99% of humanity could be killed without threatening extinction to the species; no other population of animals inhabits the earth with this abundance. The small percentage of people killed each year by war is well less than 1%. Why then do we even bother to kill?
peace.
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Posted by: Karlh on Jul 23, 2009 8:46 AM
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» RE: Oceania has always been at war with Southasia.
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Posted by: weathered on Jul 23, 2009 8:57 AM
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All very carefully wrapped and presented w/the phony and fraudulent energy of a hollywood production.
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Posted by: leafsong1 on Jul 23, 2009 9:20 AM
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The motives will never be learned from the mouths of professional liars like Bumiller or Powell or Bush. Searching for it there is an example of the main failing of historians in general: political leaders and propagandists lie, and they are therefore very poor sources for understanding their own actions. A good historian should be reluctant to quote them, except to show their mendacity. History, like current events, must be unraveled DESPITE the official record, not as a direct stenography of it.
Aside from these shortcomings, I think the author underestimates the number of wars the US has engaged in before WWII. The conquest of the native-controlled territories involved dozens of small conflicts. Our imperialist adventures overseas, red-scare interventions around the world, and covert acts of war have always made war a virtual constant in US history. The change occurring now is, I think, a greater confidence among the captains of the war industry that they can now get much greater profits from the blood of the people with impunity. Misdirecting public attention from them to their puppets in the government, military, and press increases this confidence, and is probably harmful to the cause of peace.
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» I agree. The writer leaves out the small wars before WW II, and the many European wars. .
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Posted by: Beck on Jul 23, 2009 10:24 AM
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From Paul Shepard's Nature and Madness, a section commenting on George Steiner's book In Bluebeard's Castle:
"[Steiner] notes that, for some reason, periods of peace in Europe were felt to be stifling. Peace was a lassitude, he says, periodically broken by war, as though pressures built up that had little to do with the games of national power or conflicting ideologies." This is quite a big chunk of food for thought. When some here have argued that religion causes war, I've tended to think that religion was used as an excuse for wars that wouldn't have been appealing to those involved in the fighting without such lofty reasons and potential future rewards (heaven). But religion does not seem to be the real purpose. Something else has gone wrong with western, modern culture that does seem to "need" the release of war, until we find out the real problem and address it. I'm not sure that is actually possible.
We do seem to write stories for ourselves that seem designed to excuse our actions. A new myth that constant war is a modern idea could fit this description. Wars seem constant, engrossing, compelling, to men anyway. For years now, right here, people have "protested" these newest wars but with little evidence of the kind of real action that actually ends wars. Telling ourselves that these wars of the moment are something new maybe allows us to continue our unexamined ways of life? If the wars are really something new, then they're not related at all to us, our lives, our consumption styles. They're a new plan of action by a new group of people with a new type of thinking, according to this writer, and this version of things allows us to feel separate from and powerless to stop the evil.
Actually, it seems pretty obvious that constant war has existed for quite some time. Maybe we should beware of anyone claiming that anything under the sun is new. Maybe hidden in that statement is a strange and twisted excuse to keep doing nothing about the chronic condition humanity still finds itself in.
Maybe humans have always claimed this, that the war of the moment was something new and unusual, with the tacit understanding that once IT ended, of course, everything would run smoothly from now on, just as it used to. The belief in a previous golden era, and a future one kept at bay only by those currently in power: is that really the most popular myth of all time?
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» Only the technology has changed..................
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Posted by: symcokid on Jul 23, 2009 10:47 AM
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Secondly, who in to hell fabricates all of our so called or perceived enemies, whoever it is, it must be a full time job - this USofA is way out of control!
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Posted by: MaxBridges on Jul 23, 2009 10:57 AM
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Legions of individual 9/11 conspiracy theories can be thrown out without disproving the validity of the case that 9/11 was an inside job. All it takes is one. Evidence is what turns theory into probability.
The laws of mathematics are divine truths that impartially reveal God. Examples from Architects & Engineers for 9//11 Truth, using simple high school physics, are particularly enlightening. The mathematics and Newtonian physics of the collapses of the ~THREE~ buildings on 9/11 are the smoking gun, the DNA, the eternal Truth, the still small voice. Listen.
NIST officially reports -- begrudgingly and half-buried -- that WTC-7 had a significant period of time in its collapse that was freefall, which is what the 9/11 Truth Movement has been saying all along. Therefore, we don't need to argue about this truth or its mathematical calculation.
+++ IMPORTANT +++
What are the ramifications of building freefall both in the observed event and the larger political context?
"Belief produces the results of belief, and the penalties it affixes last so long as the belief and are inseparable from it. The remedy consists in probing the trouble to the bottom."
~ Mary Baker Eddy (discoverer and founder of Christian Science)
This is the reason the 9/11 topic keeps coming back. The (erroneous) belief that 9/11 was perpetrated soley by 19 hijackers has affixed us with penalties: wars, war profiteering, war crimes, deaths, maimings, injuries, Constitution shredding, rendition, torture, ... 9/11 was even participant in the looting of global wealth with stock bubbles, housing bubbles, banking bailouts, etc.
As long as we believe the lie of 9/11, we can be sucked into continual war and bad public policy. Probing the trouble to the bottom requires seeing the 9/11 dot in the clear pattern of lies, disception, and crimes foisted on us by the US Government and the Bush Administration in particular.
To ignore 9/11 truth is to shred everything we individually and collectively stand for as Americans, as patriots, and adherents of some religious faith (like Christianity, Islam).
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
~ Edmund Burke
"It is the greatest of all mistakes to do nothing because you can only do a little."
~ Sydney Smith
"The greatest obstacle to seeing the truth - that 9/11 was an inside job - is not the lack of evidence but what can be called "nationalist faith" - the belief that America is the "exceptional nation," whose leaders never deliberately do anything truly evil, at least to their own citizens."
~ David Ray Griffin
There is only one force in the nation that can be depended upon to keep the government pure and the governors honest, and that is the people themselves. They alone, if well informed, are capable of preventing the corruption of power, and of restoring the nation to its rightful course if it should go astray."
~ Thomas Jefferson
"Though error hides behind a lie and excuses guilt, error cannot forever be concealed. Truth, through her eternal laws, unveils error. Truth causes sin to betray itself, and sets upon error the mark of the beast. Even the disposition to excuse guilt or to conceal it is punished. The avoidance of justice and the denial of truth tend to perpetuate sin, invoke crime, jeopardize self-control, and mock divine mercy."
~ Mary Baker Eddy
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Posted by: symcokid on Jul 23, 2009 11:27 AM
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Posted by: narguimbau@earthlink.net on Jul 23, 2009 11:46 AM
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The "war on terror" is different from prior wars in that it has no geographical center, no possibility of defining "victory," and an "enemy" that is an ill-defined behavior pattern rather than an individual or organization of individuals. So the "war" exists everywhere and nowhere, as does the "enemy." It is continually morphing and redefining itself at the whims of the Commander in Chief. And it is undefined and unconfined by a declaration of war.
Traditionally the war powers of the President, out of necessity, have trumped the powers of Congress and the judiciary, have trumped the statement of limited law-making authority set forth in Article I, and have trumped the Bill of Rights. A declared war with a definable enemy and definable goals, and with limits in space and time, does not irrevocably jeopardize the Constitution. An undeclared war, with no definable enemy, no definable goals, no limits in space and time, puts the Constitution on permanent hold.
The men who conceived of the war on terror knew these legal effects and almost certainly intended them. President Obama, principled and progressive as he may be, was also editor of the Harvard Law Review and subsequently a law professor. He is fully aware that in continuing the ill-defined war on terror he is continuing a state in which the Constitution may be trumped at will. The historians who write the history of his administration will not be able to say, as they might in the case of President Bush, that in presiding over the death of constitutional government, he did so in ignorance.
In the absence of defined goals and limits for the unending war on terror, we have to assure ourselves whether the legal consequence is not in fact the goal. To reassure the public that when he took the oath to support the Constitution he meant it, President Obama must define the goals and limits of his war.
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Posted by: goodsensecynic on Jul 23, 2009 11:58 AM
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If nothing else, he will see the American war machine in proper perspective - which means going back a lot further than some mythical period when the US was engaged in humanitarian intervention, peace-keeping and generous foreign aid programs.
From the outset - the Louisiana Purchase, the War of 1812, the Mexican-American War, the Spanish-American war and the various genocides against the Indians, the USA has been an aggressive, expansionist republic. The Monroe Doctrine of 1823 and the associated concept of "Manifest Destiny" pretty much told the story: the Western Hemisphere was to be the US "sphere of influence."
The real thrust toward global empire, however, came in the years immediately following World War II. Gore Vidal dates the passing of the republic and the creation of the National Security State from about 1947. Thereafter, although never once formally declaring war, the US has invaded, assassinated leaders, covertly attacked and choreographed coups in a host of countries including (but not limited to) Iran, Guatemala, the Dominican Republic, Vietnam, Cambodia, Chile, Panama, Nicaragua and, of course, that terrible threat to all things bright and beautiful - Grenada.
If Mr. Obama (while subtly orchestrating events in Honduras) speaks eloquently of a new beginning for US foreign policy, let everyone remember President Eisenhower (and he should know) and his warning about the "military-industrial complex."
Until and unless the US government and economy becomes detached from an all-war-all-the-time footing, nostalgia for an age thatnever was will be nothing but a foolish distraction.
Meantime, how about some lyrics from Mark Twain (ca. 1900) to the tune of The Battle Hymn of the Republic
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Posted by: goodsensecynic on Jul 23, 2009 12:01 PM
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He is searching out the hoardings where the stranger's wealth is stored;
He hath loosed his fateful lightnings, and with woe and death has scored;
His lust is marching on.
I have seen him in the watch-fires of a hundred circling camps,
They have builded him an alter in the Eastern dews and damps;
I have read his doomful message by the dim and flaring lamps -
His night is marching on.
I have read his bandit gospel writ in burnished rows of steel:
"As ye deal with my pretentions, so with you my wrath shall deal;
Let the faithless son of Freedom crush the patriot with his heel;
Lo, Greed is marching on!"
We have legalized the strumpet and are guarding her retreat;*
Greed is seeking out commercial souls before his judgment seat;
O, be swift, ye clods, to answer him! be jubilant my feet!
Our god is marching on!
In a sordid slime harmonious, Greed was born in yonder ditch,
With a longing in his bosom - and for others' good an itch -
As Christ died to make men holy, let men die to make us rich -
Our god is marching on!
* In Manila, the Government has placed a certain industry under the
protection of! our flag. (M.T.)
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Posted by: Pirate1 on Jul 23, 2009 2:04 PM
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The sick thing is we just let it happen... and we continue to elect people with no concept of anything outside some variation of the staus quo. No one even questions the war... it's all, oh, isn't it terrible but what can we do.
Bin Laden is dead, people! Attacking villages in Afghanistan and Pakistan only creates waves of young people crazed by grief seeking to avenge the needless death of their family due to a drone attack. It just guarantees there will be future acts of terror to get even.
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Posted by: brian boru on Jul 23, 2009 2:19 PM
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On the other hand there are real professionals out there who could bring the whole system to a galloping halt in a very violent way.
America's present course of actions help recruit the disenfranchised worldwide. Apart from the hoards waving their fists at the sky and shouting Allah Akbar every time a US drone wipes out another village, there is another group willing to act for very different reasons.
These are the chess players of the world stage who may or may not be leaders of nations but who will not sit idly by. They have their own agenda and will decide when the time is ripe.
I think the present politics in this country where both parties choose their wars will lead us to a definite disaster this century.
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Posted by: vspoils on Jul 23, 2009 5:02 PM
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who I might add for the uninitiated, besides being a war hero, saved the Republic from becoming an outright Fascist Corporatist state when the wealthiest financiers and industrialists tried to overthrow Roosevelt and install a Mussolini-like dictator. Doesn't that just about say it all? Unfortunately, the scoundrels won out in the end. Death by a thousand cuts, they knew they would just incrementalize their way to it, and here we are, perpetual war for perpetual profits, on the back and back pocket of the American public. Doesn't matter whose kid is killed. America is the NWO's enforcer.
Somewhere along it will collapse until some other scum takes control. Better start learning Chinese. David Rockefeller knows it is true. He has been a big fan of the Chinese system. ORDER!
"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries." - David Rockefeller
If you don't believe in a New World Order, or rather a plan for it, and you refuse to believe it, then I envy your bliss. But if you decide to go down the rabbit hole, raise the lantern and see for yourself, there is a long term plan for each and everyone of us. It isn't pretty, children. But we still have the numbers on our side. We can still fight back, but we have to stop it NOW. Stop buggin on your iPod, you iPhone, your iDjit. Get the truth out! And resist anyway you can. RESIST, like our forefathers did.
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I did not read this article much beyond the point where the author wrote about an honest statement about the need for ongoing war-readiness. There has been no change whatsoever - the war-mongering continues unabated. Zagrrrl
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 23, 2009 1:52 AM
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I appreciated the depth and scope of David Bromwich's article but I must say it was not for the average crowd ... the crowd we must convince of the sheer terror and immorality of war in general ... or the crowd in Congress that underwrites our Congressional Military Industrial Complex ...
On such people the arguments against war fall on deaf ears ... We need the tools to fight these people in the battle over public opinion and the Federalist Papers are not an effective weapon ...
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» The press follows the Orwellian path more than anything else........
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» Yeh, you are not alone
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» Oh, I see. I must comply with AlterNet's rules, but you are exempt from the rules.
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» GB, you seldom have a comment that actually complies with the rules.....
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» Listen @$$, you violated the rules FIRST!
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» RE: Bilo - Grover Norquist or Current COINTELPRO? Take your pick
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» let me guess... Hypocrite outed Bromwish as a JEW?
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» Yo PF! Would you like to see a photo of Steven Jones working with neo-Nazi Christopher Bollyn?
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» Who cares? -- the Germans had a point.
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» Yo PF! Santa Claus is "Q Group", and he's coming to get you!
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» More historical amnesia?
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» BS!
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» But any words that bring about the truth of 9/11 will get removed,
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» You obviously don't know anything about the evidence of 9/11.
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» "...Why are the American people so STUPID to believe the propaganda that gets us into wars."
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» Are your parents siblings?
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» Don't lecture me. I've forgotten more about logical fallacies than you'll ever know.
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» No @$$, it's called fighting fire-with-fire.
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» RE: Gallop's Lawsuit Will Never Make it to Trial.
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» I read Gallop's lawsuit some time ago.
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» Photographic evidence is "extremely weak"?
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» What you don't realize is that I used to be a 911 denier. Ask EncinoM, he'll tell you.
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» You also fail to realize that as a former 911 denier, I have a unique perspective.
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» ANybody notice that JEWS patrol these theads?
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Posted by: Ottomatic on Jul 23, 2009 4:28 AM
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Do the soldiers know?
Who'll tell them?
About The Big Business of War
Who pays for?
The Bombs that Blow up the World
Who pays for?
This stinking War
It's Big Business
A Dirty Business
The Big Business of War?
We have No money for Education!
We have No money for Health Care!
All we have is this crazy War!
It's a Bush Chainey
Halliburton Carlye
Dirty War!
Who pays for the Planes?
Blowing up Wedding parties in Afghanistan
Who pays for?
This evil War
We all do!
Over three million million Dollars missing
In The Pentagon
“WAR MACHINES” budget
Now,
That’s what I call accountability!
The Big Business of War
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Otto & The Hemorrhoids
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Posted by: pelican beak on Jul 23, 2009 4:46 AM
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and suckers for excuses to do it.
The meta-war is the one we wage in our souls, against peace.
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Posted by: theblackgeorgecarlin on Jul 23, 2009 5:06 AM
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Meanwhile, domestic terrorism is on the rise, but these domestic terrorist are ignored because they are white and white=good in the US,so they are ignored. The bankers dominate all levels of government and make billions and trillions from this recession and America's wars in Afghanistan,Iraq,Pakistan,and soon to be God-knows-who. But the corporate class is ignored because they are white and white=good.(Seriously, I remember in a political science class I was taking last year, getting laughed at for suggesting George Bush should be arrested for war crimes) Poverty is increasing,turning into the haves and have nots. Paranoia and fear will only increase in the coming years as the economy worsens and gas prices rise. Gun sales are on the rise. College is becoming more expensive. Many young people, as college becomes out of reach, are turning to the military. Also, the military sets up enlistment booths in high school,which is predatory, as high school students may not be mature enough to make that decision. And to make matters worse, the booths are set up in mostly poor areas. Shit, there was a military booth at my old high school,which was mostly Black and Hispanic, but the other,richer, and whiter high school didn't have one.
And the last major reason we have so many wars so easily is because we've never been invaded. So we don't have an idea how awful war is up close and personal. Well actually, we were invaded in the War of 1812,but that was nearly 2 centuries ago,well outside of living memory. And if you read your history books,you know we nearly lost that war,the British even burned down the white house,it was the French that saved our asses. All these recent wars have been wars of choice, with a all-volunteer military against small and poor nations. Imagine if Russia or China tries to invade.
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Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey on Jul 23, 2009 6:42 AM
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More importantly, the money had run out.
I suspect the American public is, similarly, much more ready to retract from these foreign adventures than most in our Ivy League establishment realize. Even without another lost war like Vietnam, the end of the imperial attitude could come pretty quickly.
The draft?... no way, it's never coming back.
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Why are we in Afghanistan anyway? Whose war is it?
One former US commander provides some interesting insights you won't hear/read about in the US:
http://tinyurl.com/ltlgyy
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Posted by: jvisher on Jul 23, 2009 8:17 AM
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It could be said that 99% of humanity could be killed without threatening extinction to the species; no other population of animals inhabits the earth with this abundance. The small percentage of people killed each year by war is well less than 1%. Why then do we even bother to kill?
peace.
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Posted by: weathered on Jul 23, 2009 8:57 AM
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All very carefully wrapped and presented w/the phony and fraudulent energy of a hollywood production.
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The motives will never be learned from the mouths of professional liars like Bumiller or Powell or Bush. Searching for it there is an example of the main failing of historians in general: political leaders and propagandists lie, and they are therefore very poor sources for understanding their own actions. A good historian should be reluctant to quote them, except to show their mendacity. History, like current events, must be unraveled DESPITE the official record, not as a direct stenography of it.
Aside from these shortcomings, I think the author underestimates the number of wars the US has engaged in before WWII. The conquest of the native-controlled territories involved dozens of small conflicts. Our imperialist adventures overseas, red-scare interventions around the world, and covert acts of war have always made war a virtual constant in US history. The change occurring now is, I think, a greater confidence among the captains of the war industry that they can now get much greater profits from the blood of the people with impunity. Misdirecting public attention from them to their puppets in the government, military, and press increases this confidence, and is probably harmful to the cause of peace.
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Posted by: Beck on Jul 23, 2009 10:24 AM
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From Paul Shepard's Nature and Madness, a section commenting on George Steiner's book In Bluebeard's Castle:
"[Steiner] notes that, for some reason, periods of peace in Europe were felt to be stifling. Peace was a lassitude, he says, periodically broken by war, as though pressures built up that had little to do with the games of national power or conflicting ideologies." This is quite a big chunk of food for thought. When some here have argued that religion causes war, I've tended to think that religion was used as an excuse for wars that wouldn't have been appealing to those involved in the fighting without such lofty reasons and potential future rewards (heaven). But religion does not seem to be the real purpose. Something else has gone wrong with western, modern culture that does seem to "need" the release of war, until we find out the real problem and address it. I'm not sure that is actually possible.
We do seem to write stories for ourselves that seem designed to excuse our actions. A new myth that constant war is a modern idea could fit this description. Wars seem constant, engrossing, compelling, to men anyway. For years now, right here, people have "protested" these newest wars but with little evidence of the kind of real action that actually ends wars. Telling ourselves that these wars of the moment are something new maybe allows us to continue our unexamined ways of life? If the wars are really something new, then they're not related at all to us, our lives, our consumption styles. They're a new plan of action by a new group of people with a new type of thinking, according to this writer, and this version of things allows us to feel separate from and powerless to stop the evil.
Actually, it seems pretty obvious that constant war has existed for quite some time. Maybe we should beware of anyone claiming that anything under the sun is new. Maybe hidden in that statement is a strange and twisted excuse to keep doing nothing about the chronic condition humanity still finds itself in.
Maybe humans have always claimed this, that the war of the moment was something new and unusual, with the tacit understanding that once IT ended, of course, everything would run smoothly from now on, just as it used to. The belief in a previous golden era, and a future one kept at bay only by those currently in power: is that really the most popular myth of all time?
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Posted by: symcokid on Jul 23, 2009 10:47 AM
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Secondly, who in to hell fabricates all of our so called or perceived enemies, whoever it is, it must be a full time job - this USofA is way out of control!
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Legions of individual 9/11 conspiracy theories can be thrown out without disproving the validity of the case that 9/11 was an inside job. All it takes is one. Evidence is what turns theory into probability.
The laws of mathematics are divine truths that impartially reveal God. Examples from Architects & Engineers for 9//11 Truth, using simple high school physics, are particularly enlightening. The mathematics and Newtonian physics of the collapses of the ~THREE~ buildings on 9/11 are the smoking gun, the DNA, the eternal Truth, the still small voice. Listen.
NIST officially reports -- begrudgingly and half-buried -- that WTC-7 had a significant period of time in its collapse that was freefall, which is what the 9/11 Truth Movement has been saying all along. Therefore, we don't need to argue about this truth or its mathematical calculation.
+++ IMPORTANT +++
What are the ramifications of building freefall both in the observed event and the larger political context?
"Belief produces the results of belief, and the penalties it affixes last so long as the belief and are inseparable from it. The remedy consists in probing the trouble to the bottom."
~ Mary Baker Eddy (discoverer and founder of Christian Science)
This is the reason the 9/11 topic keeps coming back. The (erroneous) belief that 9/11 was perpetrated soley by 19 hijackers has affixed us with penalties: wars, war profiteering, war crimes, deaths, maimings, injuries, Constitution shredding, rendition, torture, ... 9/11 was even participant in the looting of global wealth with stock bubbles, housing bubbles, banking bailouts, etc.
As long as we believe the lie of 9/11, we can be sucked into continual war and bad public policy. Probing the trouble to the bottom requires seeing the 9/11 dot in the clear pattern of lies, disception, and crimes foisted on us by the US Government and the Bush Administration in particular.
To ignore 9/11 truth is to shred everything we individually and collectively stand for as Americans, as patriots, and adherents of some religious faith (like Christianity, Islam).
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
~ Edmund Burke
"It is the greatest of all mistakes to do nothing because you can only do a little."
~ Sydney Smith
"The greatest obstacle to seeing the truth - that 9/11 was an inside job - is not the lack of evidence but what can be called "nationalist faith" - the belief that America is the "exceptional nation," whose leaders never deliberately do anything truly evil, at least to their own citizens."
~ David Ray Griffin
There is only one force in the nation that can be depended upon to keep the government pure and the governors honest, and that is the people themselves. They alone, if well informed, are capable of preventing the corruption of power, and of restoring the nation to its rightful course if it should go astray."
~ Thomas Jefferson
"Though error hides behind a lie and excuses guilt, error cannot forever be concealed. Truth, through her eternal laws, unveils error. Truth causes sin to betray itself, and sets upon error the mark of the beast. Even the disposition to excuse guilt or to conceal it is punished. The avoidance of justice and the denial of truth tend to perpetuate sin, invoke crime, jeopardize self-control, and mock divine mercy."
~ Mary Baker Eddy
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Posted by: narguimbau@earthlink.net on Jul 23, 2009 11:46 AM
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The "war on terror" is different from prior wars in that it has no geographical center, no possibility of defining "victory," and an "enemy" that is an ill-defined behavior pattern rather than an individual or organization of individuals. So the "war" exists everywhere and nowhere, as does the "enemy." It is continually morphing and redefining itself at the whims of the Commander in Chief. And it is undefined and unconfined by a declaration of war.
Traditionally the war powers of the President, out of necessity, have trumped the powers of Congress and the judiciary, have trumped the statement of limited law-making authority set forth in Article I, and have trumped the Bill of Rights. A declared war with a definable enemy and definable goals, and with limits in space and time, does not irrevocably jeopardize the Constitution. An undeclared war, with no definable enemy, no definable goals, no limits in space and time, puts the Constitution on permanent hold.
The men who conceived of the war on terror knew these legal effects and almost certainly intended them. President Obama, principled and progressive as he may be, was also editor of the Harvard Law Review and subsequently a law professor. He is fully aware that in continuing the ill-defined war on terror he is continuing a state in which the Constitution may be trumped at will. The historians who write the history of his administration will not be able to say, as they might in the case of President Bush, that in presiding over the death of constitutional government, he did so in ignorance.
In the absence of defined goals and limits for the unending war on terror, we have to assure ourselves whether the legal consequence is not in fact the goal. To reassure the public that when he took the oath to support the Constitution he meant it, President Obama must define the goals and limits of his war.
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Posted by: goodsensecynic on Jul 23, 2009 11:58 AM
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If nothing else, he will see the American war machine in proper perspective - which means going back a lot further than some mythical period when the US was engaged in humanitarian intervention, peace-keeping and generous foreign aid programs.
From the outset - the Louisiana Purchase, the War of 1812, the Mexican-American War, the Spanish-American war and the various genocides against the Indians, the USA has been an aggressive, expansionist republic. The Monroe Doctrine of 1823 and the associated concept of "Manifest Destiny" pretty much told the story: the Western Hemisphere was to be the US "sphere of influence."
The real thrust toward global empire, however, came in the years immediately following World War II. Gore Vidal dates the passing of the republic and the creation of the National Security State from about 1947. Thereafter, although never once formally declaring war, the US has invaded, assassinated leaders, covertly attacked and choreographed coups in a host of countries including (but not limited to) Iran, Guatemala, the Dominican Republic, Vietnam, Cambodia, Chile, Panama, Nicaragua and, of course, that terrible threat to all things bright and beautiful - Grenada.
If Mr. Obama (while subtly orchestrating events in Honduras) speaks eloquently of a new beginning for US foreign policy, let everyone remember President Eisenhower (and he should know) and his warning about the "military-industrial complex."
Until and unless the US government and economy becomes detached from an all-war-all-the-time footing, nostalgia for an age thatnever was will be nothing but a foolish distraction.
Meantime, how about some lyrics from Mark Twain (ca. 1900) to the tune of The Battle Hymn of the Republic
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He is searching out the hoardings where the stranger's wealth is stored;
He hath loosed his fateful lightnings, and with woe and death has scored;
His lust is marching on.
I have seen him in the watch-fires of a hundred circling camps,
They have builded him an alter in the Eastern dews and damps;
I have read his doomful message by the dim and flaring lamps -
His night is marching on.
I have read his bandit gospel writ in burnished rows of steel:
"As ye deal with my pretentions, so with you my wrath shall deal;
Let the faithless son of Freedom crush the patriot with his heel;
Lo, Greed is marching on!"
We have legalized the strumpet and are guarding her retreat;*
Greed is seeking out commercial souls before his judgment seat;
O, be swift, ye clods, to answer him! be jubilant my feet!
Our god is marching on!
In a sordid slime harmonious, Greed was born in yonder ditch,
With a longing in his bosom - and for others' good an itch -
As Christ died to make men holy, let men die to make us rich -
Our god is marching on!
* In Manila, the Government has placed a certain industry under the
protection of! our flag. (M.T.)
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Posted by: Pirate1 on Jul 23, 2009 2:04 PM
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The sick thing is we just let it happen... and we continue to elect people with no concept of anything outside some variation of the staus quo. No one even questions the war... it's all, oh, isn't it terrible but what can we do.
Bin Laden is dead, people! Attacking villages in Afghanistan and Pakistan only creates waves of young people crazed by grief seeking to avenge the needless death of their family due to a drone attack. It just guarantees there will be future acts of terror to get even.
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Posted by: brian boru on Jul 23, 2009 2:19 PM
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On the other hand there are real professionals out there who could bring the whole system to a galloping halt in a very violent way.
America's present course of actions help recruit the disenfranchised worldwide. Apart from the hoards waving their fists at the sky and shouting Allah Akbar every time a US drone wipes out another village, there is another group willing to act for very different reasons.
These are the chess players of the world stage who may or may not be leaders of nations but who will not sit idly by. They have their own agenda and will decide when the time is ripe.
I think the present politics in this country where both parties choose their wars will lead us to a definite disaster this century.
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Posted by: vspoils on Jul 23, 2009 5:02 PM
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who I might add for the uninitiated, besides being a war hero, saved the Republic from becoming an outright Fascist Corporatist state when the wealthiest financiers and industrialists tried to overthrow Roosevelt and install a Mussolini-like dictator. Doesn't that just about say it all? Unfortunately, the scoundrels won out in the end. Death by a thousand cuts, they knew they would just incrementalize their way to it, and here we are, perpetual war for perpetual profits, on the back and back pocket of the American public. Doesn't matter whose kid is killed. America is the NWO's enforcer.
Somewhere along it will collapse until some other scum takes control. Better start learning Chinese. David Rockefeller knows it is true. He has been a big fan of the Chinese system. ORDER!
"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries." - David Rockefeller
If you don't believe in a New World Order, or rather a plan for it, and you refuse to believe it, then I envy your bliss. But if you decide to go down the rabbit hole, raise the lantern and see for yourself, there is a long term plan for each and everyone of us. It isn't pretty, children. But we still have the numbers on our side. We can still fight back, but we have to stop it NOW. Stop buggin on your iPod, you iPhone, your iDjit. Get the truth out! And resist anyway you can. RESIST, like our forefathers did.
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I did not read this article much beyond the point where the author wrote about an honest statement about the need for ongoing war-readiness. There has been no change whatsoever - the war-mongering continues unabated. Zagrrrl
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