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Forbidden Israel: Sex and the Settlers
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Who is the most famous person in Israel? It's not Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu or any other politician; not a war hero, nor a singer or a sports star.
No, the winner, hands down, is supermodel Bar Rafaeli. Well actually, Rafaeli has her hands up in her latest video, covering her breasts. She has her legs up, too, and just about every other part of her.
She's wearing far less than she did on the cover of the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue that made her famous. In fact, Rafaeli is wearing nothing at all. And she's so famous that even Israel's most prestigious, intellectual newspaper, Ha'aretz, posted her video on its Web site.
Or perhaps Ha'aretz was just following the advice my mother gave me when I was writing my dissertation on ancient rabbinic Judaism. "Put sex in it," Mom said, "and it'll sell."
It's taken me nearly 40 years, but with Rafaeli's help I've figured out how to combine sex and the scholarly analysis of Jewish culture, or at least sex and Zionism.
Sex and Zionism? My mother's mother must be turning over in her grave. In her old age, my grandma saw a photo of a prostitute in Tel Aviv's red-light district. "Can't be Jewish," she said. Assured that the prostitute was indeed of the people of Israel, she refused to believe it.
I always tell that anecdote when I teach about the origins of Zionism. The early Zionists assumed what all Europeans of their day assumed: Every nation-state is the political expression of a specific ethnic group -- France for the French, China for the Chinese, etc. In their day that was not considered racism. It was just common sense.
So they concluded that the Jews would be normal only when they had their own nation-state, with Jewish prostitutes, Jewish pimps and Jewish police to arrest them (or take bribes to look the other way). For most of these early Zionists, the important point was not morality but nationalism. They wanted all the roles in their new society, moral or immoral, to be played by Jews. Had they know about supermodels doing nude photo shoots, they surely would have demanded buck-naked Jewish supermodels, too.
Had they known about nuclear weapons and F-22s and all the other high-tech weaponry of today's warfare, they would have done whatever they could to obtain them, as later generations of Zionists have done, and are still doing.
After all, what does it mean to be "normal" in the world of modern nation-states, all modeled on the states of Western Europe and North America? It means not merely to have cops and criminals but to have governments that get the most power they can, by any means necessary.
At least it would be hard to blame Zionists for seeing it that way. Waterboarding, anyone? No? Then how about secret prisons in Afghanistan where no one will ever know whether a president's firm strictures against torture are followed?
Normal governments in the modern world use their power for lots of reasons, but ultimately it's always about extending their control over both their own people and others. Or at least, again, it's easy to see why many Zionists would see it that way.
Which brings us to the Occupied Territories of the West Bank and the quarter-million or so Jewish settlers who live there. Some of those settlers are socially conservative Orthodox Jews. They may be as distressed as my grandmother at the blatant sexuality flaunted in their society by Rafaeli and the many who aspire to follow in her bare footsteps. The Orthodox settlers may also be sincerely convinced that the one and only God of the universe gave their ancestors all the land between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River.
In the modern world, though, normal nations do not give any credence to such religiously based claims in their political proceedings, nor in their courts of law. If the Israeli government and courts were adhering strictly to law -- especially international law -- the settlers would have been gone long ago.
No, a substantial majority of the settlers are not there for religious reasons, but because their government is pursuing power in the seemingly normal way -- using whatever method works to extend the reach of its dominance.
The specific method the Israelis hit on back in the 1970s was to use tax dollars to build whole modern towns in the West Bank, call them "settlements" (which sounds benign enough), and rent them out at far-below-market rates to any Israelis who wanted cheap housing. Ever since, lots of Israelis feeling an economic pinch have been tempted to move to the West Bank to ease the strain on the family budget.
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Posted by: folkie on Jul 7, 2009 2:12 AM
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I think they're meshuganah, and while I sympathize with the Palestinians, I'm not sure they're much saner. It was patriarchal religions that messed up this planet with overpopulation, private ownership of land, people, and animals, and the rest of civilization's suicidal destructivity. I haven't seen a patriarchal religion yet that didn't make exceptions to the Golden Rule, saying that their neighbor isn't their neighbor if they don't have the same religion, or that others don't have to be treated like themselves because they're others, etc.
Hey, geniuses, if they're not living with you, they're your neighbors, and if they're not you, they're others, and if you don't treat them the way you'd want to be treated, when the tables turn and what goes around comes around, they'll do unto you as you did unto them. What's so hard to understand about that?
Me, I'm a devout atheist. If there is a god and he is omnipotent, he can do his own killing and he doesn't need me to do it for him. Anyone who says they need me to kill somebody for them, isn't a god, they're a gangster.
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Posted by: pierrot on Jul 7, 2009 2:19 AM
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Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
Part III : Status and treatment of protected persons #Section III : Occupied territories
ARTICLE 49
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.The Occupying Power shall NOT deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.
Then why the hell has the USA allowed Israel to blattantly violate the Geneva Convention for 40 years(!) and rewarding them in addition with 100 bio $??? Cant'y you read???
President Obama, stop Israeli state terrorism, radically! Each and every settlement is illegal and has to GO! Stop the palestinian genozide. Hamas and Hisboullah are NOT terrorist organizations - they are most legal self-defence organizations.
What would you americans do if someone stole your land and built houses and streets and swimming pools and whole towns on it? You would shoot!
You would volunteer to defend your 'homeland' with even the prospect of getting a heroes burial in Arlington. But, by a curious twist in the american mind, when innocent Palestinians do it they are terrorists?!
Long live Jimmy Carter
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Posted by: uncertain on Jul 7, 2009 3:12 AM
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Posted by: vision on Jul 7, 2009 3:38 AM
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For all of Obama's talk, empire is still the bottom line. The US has permanently stationed troops in 135 countries around the world (and tens of thousands in many). And Israel, in its present role of regional military superpower and agitator, serves the goals of the empire.
I (a Jew from the US) visited Israel and Palestine a few years ago to work in the West Bank. Some very courageous Israeli activists I met in Jerusalem told me to go home, that the work that needs to be done is in the US.
If you accept the author's premise that the US and Israel are just doing what normal nations do, just doing it better and that oil companies are just doing what companies do, and you see something wrong with the way countries and companies operate, then criticizing particular governments or companies is the wrong tact. If the US falls and China rises, or Exxon falls and Solar X rises, what will change?
I believe it is time for a more fundamental change. Let's get rid of nations and let's get rid of corporations. The only possibility I see for that is for industrial civilization to end. It will end, sooner or later, because the resources it needs in order to continue operating are either non-renewable or are being hyper-exploited. I'm hoping for sooner.
Think of the way indigenous people have lived for thousands of years, and where, in a few places, where their way of life hasn't been decimated by ours, they still do. Community and communion with nature and quiet and stillness and nothing but pristine nature. Doesn't that sound better than laptops and highways and processed food and xx hour work weeks?
If you agree, or if you're curious, check out Derrick Jensen's book Endgame. Or look him up on Google Video and listen to one of his talks.
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Posted by: Fempatriot on Jul 7, 2009 7:23 AM
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Later, Mordechai Vanunu, that brave Israeli, would tell the world about Israel's nukes and be seduced by a Mossad agent, drugged, kidnapped, and spend most of the next 18 yrs. in solitary in an Israeli prison. He is still a political prisoner in Israel.
Kennedy also wanted to return to the Constitutional right of the US government "to coin money" and not buy it from the Federal Reserve any more.
According to FINAL JUDGMENT by Michael Collins Piper (you will not find this book in your library, but it's available online) Meyer Lansky, head of the American Jewish Mafia, put out a hit on Kennedy, which was why Lee Harvey Oswald was murdered before he could talk.
That horrendous double murder served its purpose. Lyndon Johnson was so terrified of Israel that he allowed the USS Liberty to be savagely attacked by Israeli war planes and gun boats on June 8, 1967 and not only didn't lift a finger to help; he covered up this horrendous crime.
The Israelis kept on making nukes; the Federal Reserve continued (and has NEVER BEEN AUDITED) and only now are the Liberty survivors speaking out.
We are occupied by Israel just as the Palestinians are, but in a different way: Through bribes and pressure on every member of our government. No person can be president without the approval of AIPAC--the Israeli lobby.
Israelis and their American servants are trying to pass laws that would make saying anything critical of Israel or the Jews anywhere in the world, a criminal offense. Hate crimes laws are the beginning, and there are actually those in our government trying to shut down our freedom of speech as it has been shut down in most of Europe. What will Americans do then?
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Posted by: cashelboylo on Jul 7, 2009 7:38 AM
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Maybe the pics I see have misled me.
But I never see any cinemas, playing fields, town halls, schools, hospitals...
Most of what I see looks like low grade military married quarters.
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Posted by: ElRoy60 on Jul 7, 2009 8:20 AM
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The Israel Project hired pollsters to test American opinion on the Middle East conflict -- and got a big surprise. In September 2008, 61% of Americans called themselves pro-Israel. Now, it's only 42%. In September, the same 61% wanted the U.S. to side with Israel; now, only 40%.
How to explain this dramatic shift? Pollster suggested the answer years ago when they pointed out that, in politics, "a narrative is the key to everything." Last year the old narrative about the Middle East conflict was still dominant: Israel is an innocent victim, doing only what it must do to defend itself against the Palestinians. Today, that narrative has lost its grip on Americans, and the World in general.
like expanding settlements and blockading Gaza. To the other side, though, his message was far blunter: "Both must abandon violence." Of Israeli violence he said not a word, but all indications are pointed to a real change in foreign policies of the past.
If anyone insists on keeping score, Israel's violence, official and unofficial, outweighs the violence coming from the Palestinians.
What the experts term "non-state-actor violence" and the rest of us simply call "terrorism"? Though you may not know this, much of it these days is done by Israeli Jews. Just Google "West Bank settler violence" for yourself.
Last December, Jewish settlers in Hebron went on a rampage, shooting at Palestinians, setting fire to homes, cars, and olive groves, defacing mosques and graves. Ehud Olmert, Israel's prime minister at the time, said he was "supportive" of this "pogrom." None of such settler crimes are ever prosecuted by the Israeli authorities,
"Since the 1980's many reports have been published on law enforcement failures upon Israelis in the Occupied Palestinian Territory. All of the reports... warned against the failure of the authorities to enforce the law effectively upon Israelis... who committed offenses against Palestinian civilians... Yet the problem of attacks against Palestinian people and property by Israelis has only grown worse, becoming a daily occurrence."
No "major attacks" on Israeli civilians by any Palestinians since 2006.None have been carried out by Hamas.
In fact, though, Hamas rocket attacks had ended in July 2008, when Israel agreed to the ceasefire Hamas had been asking for. That agreement held for four months until Israeli troops killed six Hamas operatives -- shortly before Hamas and Fatah were scheduled to create a unified government. It's a familiar Israeli tactic: The reality Israelis are the bad guys.
The crucial conflict is not between Israel and Palestine. It's between peace and violence. Violence comes from both sides. But there's also the possibility of fostering a strong push for peace on both sides. Here in the U.S., we should urge our government to stop taking sides in the blame game, condemn all the violence -- including, for the first time, Israeli violence -- and support all forces of peace that exist or arise.
The only path to peace is to stop the Israeli atrocities, and stop the influence on the USA congress. Non-Jewish Americans are aware of the international corruption led by Israel & AIPAC, the Zionist movement and propaganda.
The 67 UN sanctions ignored for years, will become a needed reality.
READ:
Final Report, Deception, What-If, and Watch-out (published by AuthorHouse),
A fifth book titled : THE HOUSE OF TREASON sub-titled: THEORY OR REALITY. Coming soon !
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Posted by: Elise on Jul 7, 2009 8:55 AM
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Israel apparently hasn't been keeping up with the "new releases" of the program. The whole West Bank thing so not in today's paradigm. Tsk - now it's just done by manipulating money under direction of multinational corporations. Much easier that way.
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Jul 7, 2009 10:26 AM
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Israel is a tool of the Illuminati/NWO/globalists to foment WWIII & a resulting one-world dictatorship!!!
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Posted by: hilaryuk on Jul 7, 2009 11:46 AM
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The automatic use of military power is not normal for most states, neither is occupation, neither is resource theft.
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Posted by: DaBear on Jul 7, 2009 12:05 PM
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Fundamentalism in any religion is truly fucked up... aw hell, I couldn't resist the pun.
Other than bumming me out, not too shabby, Ira.
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Posted by: zigy on Jul 7, 2009 12:29 PM
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A moment's thought will make apparant that the nation-state form of political social organization is an arbitrary construct arguably first arising in West Europe around 1000 AD when the new, free merchant class aligned with the then not very powerful kings of England and France to weaken the landed noble class. The Dutch jurist, Groitius thought the wide spread implementing of such a system would, through the Treaty of Westphalea (around 1650)put an end to the petty, arbitrary bickering among the landed nobles that came to be know as the (if memory serves me)Fifty Year War. Subsequent history and its continued warfare, now between the new nation-states perhaps suggests that Groitius was a very smart man with an at best mediocre idea.
There is an idea that I never hear discussed now-a-days that originates, I believe, in Greco-roman antiguity. It was later made much of and carefully expounded upon by the great political Realist Niccolo Macheavelli. The writers of the founding documents of the U.S. were also well aquainted with the idea. The concept is known as "virtu" (spelling may be incorrect) and it differs from our modern notion of "virtue" which has come to mean being always high minded in perhaps a saintly sort of way; whereas "virtu" ment being always willing and able to do what one must to protect one's interests; at the appropriate time acting with tact and diplomacy, and when so apropriate, acting with ruthlessness. Men (and women) who possessed this quality, virtu were (in theory at least)of the utmost capacity and competence to protect the interests of their "patrea" (native land) without the desire to resort to needless aggression. Perhaps people such as Scipio Africanus who freed Rome from the Carthagenian threat, or the Grattchi brothers who served as tribunes of the Roman plebians might suggest examples of men posessing virtu; men totally devoted to the well-being of their nation with no (at least overt) desire for self-aggrandizment; and no ambition to conquer others simply because it could be done. The Roman Cincinnatus might be an even better example, famous for having peacfully returned to farm his land after taking up the sword in the successful defense of his homeland, Rome.
Perhaps if this important concept of "virtu" were taught and emphasised in our schools with the same ideological ferver we devote to teaching the so called virtues of capitalism, and free markets, and greed is good, and every man for himself, and may the devil take the hindmost, we might, just might have principled people in the nations of the world, someday who aspire to be more than white collar criminals who make hundereds of millions of dollars to defraud and cheat entire nations; or those who aspire to be leaders of nations and then proceed to lie blatently to one's own people and proceed to spread military terror and misery around the world.
Now that the nation-state has become the institutionalized form of political organization, perhaps it is time we begin to train people who can apropriatly lead these political entities with (at least somewhat) less of the hubris, greed, and aggressivness that the world is plaqued with today. True Statesmen (and women), not the criminals, killers,state terrorists, indeed pyschopaths of which we have been cursed for so long.
Just an idea.
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In or out op marriage.
The good lord blessed humanity with a life time of good healthy sex and decreed that what ever sex that man fails to use will be fed tho the anamols.
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Posted by: folkie on Jul 7, 2009 2:12 AM
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I think they're meshuganah, and while I sympathize with the Palestinians, I'm not sure they're much saner. It was patriarchal religions that messed up this planet with overpopulation, private ownership of land, people, and animals, and the rest of civilization's suicidal destructivity. I haven't seen a patriarchal religion yet that didn't make exceptions to the Golden Rule, saying that their neighbor isn't their neighbor if they don't have the same religion, or that others don't have to be treated like themselves because they're others, etc.
Hey, geniuses, if they're not living with you, they're your neighbors, and if they're not you, they're others, and if you don't treat them the way you'd want to be treated, when the tables turn and what goes around comes around, they'll do unto you as you did unto them. What's so hard to understand about that?
Me, I'm a devout atheist. If there is a god and he is omnipotent, he can do his own killing and he doesn't need me to do it for him. Anyone who says they need me to kill somebody for them, isn't a god, they're a gangster.
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Posted by: pierrot on Jul 7, 2009 2:19 AM
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Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
Part III : Status and treatment of protected persons #Section III : Occupied territories
ARTICLE 49
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.The Occupying Power shall NOT deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.
Then why the hell has the USA allowed Israel to blattantly violate the Geneva Convention for 40 years(!) and rewarding them in addition with 100 bio $??? Cant'y you read???
President Obama, stop Israeli state terrorism, radically! Each and every settlement is illegal and has to GO! Stop the palestinian genozide. Hamas and Hisboullah are NOT terrorist organizations - they are most legal self-defence organizations.
What would you americans do if someone stole your land and built houses and streets and swimming pools and whole towns on it? You would shoot!
You would volunteer to defend your 'homeland' with even the prospect of getting a heroes burial in Arlington. But, by a curious twist in the american mind, when innocent Palestinians do it they are terrorists?!
Long live Jimmy Carter
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Posted by: vision on Jul 7, 2009 3:38 AM
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For all of Obama's talk, empire is still the bottom line. The US has permanently stationed troops in 135 countries around the world (and tens of thousands in many). And Israel, in its present role of regional military superpower and agitator, serves the goals of the empire.
I (a Jew from the US) visited Israel and Palestine a few years ago to work in the West Bank. Some very courageous Israeli activists I met in Jerusalem told me to go home, that the work that needs to be done is in the US.
If you accept the author's premise that the US and Israel are just doing what normal nations do, just doing it better and that oil companies are just doing what companies do, and you see something wrong with the way countries and companies operate, then criticizing particular governments or companies is the wrong tact. If the US falls and China rises, or Exxon falls and Solar X rises, what will change?
I believe it is time for a more fundamental change. Let's get rid of nations and let's get rid of corporations. The only possibility I see for that is for industrial civilization to end. It will end, sooner or later, because the resources it needs in order to continue operating are either non-renewable or are being hyper-exploited. I'm hoping for sooner.
Think of the way indigenous people have lived for thousands of years, and where, in a few places, where their way of life hasn't been decimated by ours, they still do. Community and communion with nature and quiet and stillness and nothing but pristine nature. Doesn't that sound better than laptops and highways and processed food and xx hour work weeks?
If you agree, or if you're curious, check out Derrick Jensen's book Endgame. Or look him up on Google Video and listen to one of his talks.
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Posted by: Fempatriot on Jul 7, 2009 7:23 AM
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Later, Mordechai Vanunu, that brave Israeli, would tell the world about Israel's nukes and be seduced by a Mossad agent, drugged, kidnapped, and spend most of the next 18 yrs. in solitary in an Israeli prison. He is still a political prisoner in Israel.
Kennedy also wanted to return to the Constitutional right of the US government "to coin money" and not buy it from the Federal Reserve any more.
According to FINAL JUDGMENT by Michael Collins Piper (you will not find this book in your library, but it's available online) Meyer Lansky, head of the American Jewish Mafia, put out a hit on Kennedy, which was why Lee Harvey Oswald was murdered before he could talk.
That horrendous double murder served its purpose. Lyndon Johnson was so terrified of Israel that he allowed the USS Liberty to be savagely attacked by Israeli war planes and gun boats on June 8, 1967 and not only didn't lift a finger to help; he covered up this horrendous crime.
The Israelis kept on making nukes; the Federal Reserve continued (and has NEVER BEEN AUDITED) and only now are the Liberty survivors speaking out.
We are occupied by Israel just as the Palestinians are, but in a different way: Through bribes and pressure on every member of our government. No person can be president without the approval of AIPAC--the Israeli lobby.
Israelis and their American servants are trying to pass laws that would make saying anything critical of Israel or the Jews anywhere in the world, a criminal offense. Hate crimes laws are the beginning, and there are actually those in our government trying to shut down our freedom of speech as it has been shut down in most of Europe. What will Americans do then?
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» RE: American politicians caught plotting for Israel against the US should expect NO MERCY
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» There is no genocide against Palestinians. Even Palestinian leaders deny outrageous genocide charge.
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» The AIPAC lobby still denies attacking the USS Liberty
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» Fascism and hate are NOT patriotic!!
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» Rahm Emmanuel is AIPACs man
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» The Federal Reseve System is NOT owned by Jews. That's a myth spead by neo-Nazis and extermists.
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» "Hollow argument"? Stick this in your pipe and smoke it, @$$.
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» Banks tend to be owned by large, diverse groups of shareholders...
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Posted by: cashelboylo on Jul 7, 2009 7:38 AM
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Maybe the pics I see have misled me.
But I never see any cinemas, playing fields, town halls, schools, hospitals...
Most of what I see looks like low grade military married quarters.
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Posted by: ElRoy60 on Jul 7, 2009 8:20 AM
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The Israel Project hired pollsters to test American opinion on the Middle East conflict -- and got a big surprise. In September 2008, 61% of Americans called themselves pro-Israel. Now, it's only 42%. In September, the same 61% wanted the U.S. to side with Israel; now, only 40%.
How to explain this dramatic shift? Pollster suggested the answer years ago when they pointed out that, in politics, "a narrative is the key to everything." Last year the old narrative about the Middle East conflict was still dominant: Israel is an innocent victim, doing only what it must do to defend itself against the Palestinians. Today, that narrative has lost its grip on Americans, and the World in general.
like expanding settlements and blockading Gaza. To the other side, though, his message was far blunter: "Both must abandon violence." Of Israeli violence he said not a word, but all indications are pointed to a real change in foreign policies of the past.
If anyone insists on keeping score, Israel's violence, official and unofficial, outweighs the violence coming from the Palestinians.
What the experts term "non-state-actor violence" and the rest of us simply call "terrorism"? Though you may not know this, much of it these days is done by Israeli Jews. Just Google "West Bank settler violence" for yourself.
Last December, Jewish settlers in Hebron went on a rampage, shooting at Palestinians, setting fire to homes, cars, and olive groves, defacing mosques and graves. Ehud Olmert, Israel's prime minister at the time, said he was "supportive" of this "pogrom." None of such settler crimes are ever prosecuted by the Israeli authorities,
"Since the 1980's many reports have been published on law enforcement failures upon Israelis in the Occupied Palestinian Territory. All of the reports... warned against the failure of the authorities to enforce the law effectively upon Israelis... who committed offenses against Palestinian civilians... Yet the problem of attacks against Palestinian people and property by Israelis has only grown worse, becoming a daily occurrence."
No "major attacks" on Israeli civilians by any Palestinians since 2006.None have been carried out by Hamas.
In fact, though, Hamas rocket attacks had ended in July 2008, when Israel agreed to the ceasefire Hamas had been asking for. That agreement held for four months until Israeli troops killed six Hamas operatives -- shortly before Hamas and Fatah were scheduled to create a unified government. It's a familiar Israeli tactic: The reality Israelis are the bad guys.
The crucial conflict is not between Israel and Palestine. It's between peace and violence. Violence comes from both sides. But there's also the possibility of fostering a strong push for peace on both sides. Here in the U.S., we should urge our government to stop taking sides in the blame game, condemn all the violence -- including, for the first time, Israeli violence -- and support all forces of peace that exist or arise.
The only path to peace is to stop the Israeli atrocities, and stop the influence on the USA congress. Non-Jewish Americans are aware of the international corruption led by Israel & AIPAC, the Zionist movement and propaganda.
The 67 UN sanctions ignored for years, will become a needed reality.
READ:
Final Report, Deception, What-If, and Watch-out (published by AuthorHouse),
A fifth book titled : THE HOUSE OF TREASON sub-titled: THEORY OR REALITY. Coming soon !
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» You're lying. Hamas broke the 2008 ceasefire by trying to tunnel into Israel from northern Gaza
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Posted by: Elise on Jul 7, 2009 8:55 AM
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Israel apparently hasn't been keeping up with the "new releases" of the program. The whole West Bank thing so not in today's paradigm. Tsk - now it's just done by manipulating money under direction of multinational corporations. Much easier that way.
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Jul 7, 2009 10:26 AM
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Israel is a tool of the Illuminati/NWO/globalists to foment WWIII & a resulting one-world dictatorship!!!
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» "zionists spy...roach"? No hate speech there, eh Lara1967.
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» RE: "zionists spy...roach"? No hate speech there, eh Lara1967.
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» Your opinion means nothing. After all, you're an idiot.
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» Lara1967: Is there any part of the Nazi philosophy you disagree with?
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» There is no genocide against Palestinians. Even Palestinian leaders deny outrageous genocide charge.
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Posted by: hilaryuk on Jul 7, 2009 11:46 AM
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The automatic use of military power is not normal for most states, neither is occupation, neither is resource theft.
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Posted by: DaBear on Jul 7, 2009 12:05 PM
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Fundamentalism in any religion is truly fucked up... aw hell, I couldn't resist the pun.
Other than bumming me out, not too shabby, Ira.
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Posted by: zigy on Jul 7, 2009 12:29 PM
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A moment's thought will make apparant that the nation-state form of political social organization is an arbitrary construct arguably first arising in West Europe around 1000 AD when the new, free merchant class aligned with the then not very powerful kings of England and France to weaken the landed noble class. The Dutch jurist, Groitius thought the wide spread implementing of such a system would, through the Treaty of Westphalea (around 1650)put an end to the petty, arbitrary bickering among the landed nobles that came to be know as the (if memory serves me)Fifty Year War. Subsequent history and its continued warfare, now between the new nation-states perhaps suggests that Groitius was a very smart man with an at best mediocre idea.
There is an idea that I never hear discussed now-a-days that originates, I believe, in Greco-roman antiguity. It was later made much of and carefully expounded upon by the great political Realist Niccolo Macheavelli. The writers of the founding documents of the U.S. were also well aquainted with the idea. The concept is known as "virtu" (spelling may be incorrect) and it differs from our modern notion of "virtue" which has come to mean being always high minded in perhaps a saintly sort of way; whereas "virtu" ment being always willing and able to do what one must to protect one's interests; at the appropriate time acting with tact and diplomacy, and when so apropriate, acting with ruthlessness. Men (and women) who possessed this quality, virtu were (in theory at least)of the utmost capacity and competence to protect the interests of their "patrea" (native land) without the desire to resort to needless aggression. Perhaps people such as Scipio Africanus who freed Rome from the Carthagenian threat, or the Grattchi brothers who served as tribunes of the Roman plebians might suggest examples of men posessing virtu; men totally devoted to the well-being of their nation with no (at least overt) desire for self-aggrandizment; and no ambition to conquer others simply because it could be done. The Roman Cincinnatus might be an even better example, famous for having peacfully returned to farm his land after taking up the sword in the successful defense of his homeland, Rome.
Perhaps if this important concept of "virtu" were taught and emphasised in our schools with the same ideological ferver we devote to teaching the so called virtues of capitalism, and free markets, and greed is good, and every man for himself, and may the devil take the hindmost, we might, just might have principled people in the nations of the world, someday who aspire to be more than white collar criminals who make hundereds of millions of dollars to defraud and cheat entire nations; or those who aspire to be leaders of nations and then proceed to lie blatently to one's own people and proceed to spread military terror and misery around the world.
Now that the nation-state has become the institutionalized form of political organization, perhaps it is time we begin to train people who can apropriatly lead these political entities with (at least somewhat) less of the hubris, greed, and aggressivness that the world is plaqued with today. True Statesmen (and women), not the criminals, killers,state terrorists, indeed pyschopaths of which we have been cursed for so long.
Just an idea.
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Posted by: Hans B on Jul 7, 2009 2:06 PM
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Posted by: Garvagh on Jul 7, 2009 7:58 PM
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Posted by: Bumpas on Jul 18, 2009 1:43 AM
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In or out op marriage.
The good lord blessed humanity with a life time of good healthy sex and decreed that what ever sex that man fails to use will be fed tho the anamols.
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