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The Tragedy of Our 'Disappeared' Veterans

By Penny Coleman, AlterNet. Posted August 12, 2009.


How the justice system has been manipulated to put astonishing numbers of vets with PTSD and other psychiatric injuries behind bars.
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Wayne McMahon was busted on gun charges six months after he got out of the Marines.

He was jumped by a gang of kids in his hometown of Albany, N.Y. , and he went for the assault rifle he kept in the back of his SUV.

He's serving "three flat, with two years of post-release" at Groveland Prison in upstate New York.

Maybe it's tempting to write McMahon off as just a screwed-up person who made the kinds of mistakes that should have landed him in jail, but maybe that's because his injuries don't show on the outside.

Unlike physical injuries, psychiatric injuries are invisible; the burden of proof lands on the soldier (or sailor or Marine), and such injuries are easy for the public to deny.

The diagnostic criteria for post-traumatic stress disorder include a preoccupation with danger.

According to Jonathan Shay, a Veterans Administration psychiatrist and author of Achilles in Vietnam, hypervigilance in soldiers and veterans is expressed as the persistent mobilization of both body and mind to protect against lethal danger -- they act as though they were still in combat, even when the danger is no longer present.

That preoccupation leads to a cluster of symptoms, including sleeplessness, exaggerated startle responses, violent outbursts and a reliance on combat skills that are inappropriate, and very often illegal, in the civilian world.

When I asked McMahon what he was doing with an assault rifle in his car, he told me that since he got back from Afghanistan, he didn't feel safe without guns around.

"There was almost always a gun," he said. "In the apartment, there was guns everywhere.

"I was just over in combat, and you guys gave me an M-16 and a 9mm and let me walk around for eight months straight. And now I get back, and I get jumped by a bunch of people, and I can't have a gun?"

McMahon sits across from me in his prison greens, elbows on his knees, leaning into his story about the kid he was and the man he is hoping to become. His eagerness and optimism make it clear that he believes his mistakes are behind him.

His parents were teenagers when he was born, and they separated shortly after. He bounced around on the streets of Albany, and, like so many other young Americans with dreams of escaping dysfunctional families and lousy neighborhoods, he saw the military as a get-out-of-jail-free card.

He enlisted in the Marines right out of high school.

For the first time in his life, McMahon found himself in a meritocracy. He was promoted regularly and quickly, making sergeant by the time he got to Afghanistan.

Then two days before his five-year contract was up, he was caught drinking on the job, busted down to lance corporal and administratively discharged. He lost all his benefits.

McMahon was in the Marine Corps from 2001 until 2006. He spent his last year working as an aircraft mechanic on a flight line in Afghanistan that was under near-constant attack. It was also a transshipment point for injured American soldiers who were being evacuated to Germany.

For eight months, his days and nights were spent up close and personal with the visceral evidence of what the rockets, mortars and rocket-propelled grenades do to human bodies.

"We had a lot of explosions. Almost every day. And I seen guys coming out from convoy missions where their Humvees would have exploded," he told me matter-of-factly. "The first two months were pretty terrible. "

After that, even though "a lot of other people found it hard to deal with, it wasn't really too rough for me." A bit of Marine bravado, perhaps, but reinforced with a bit of liquid courage:

"We Marines, we're smart," he explained. "There was no alcohol provided, but I was making my own from fruit juice I got from the chow hall and yeast they gave us at the pizza shop. It was horrible, really horrible -- but two little 20-ounce water bottles, and you were good for the night. " It was the only way he got any sleep.

Jonathan Shay also notes the almost-universal reliance on alcohol or drugs by psychically injured veterans. They afford some temporary relief from intolerable memories and from the emotional and physical exhaustion of maintaining a constant state of vigilance.

McMahon came home from Afghanistan with a serious drinking problem, a hair-trigger temper and conditioned to rely on his combat skills for survival.

Both his marriage and his military career quickly unraveled, and then he was arrested. Nobody diagnosed his PTSD until he got to Groveland.

McMahon's obsession with safety and guns, and his compulsive drinking are both typical of a post-traumatic stress injury, but instead of diagnosis and treatment, he was left to his own compromised resources and promptly landed in jail.

In terms of the bottom line, it's a trifecta for the military when that happens. A damaged soldier is disappeared, the cost of treatment avoided and the evidence that would prove how often veterans find it impossible to readjust when they come home is erased.

Traumatized soldiers are not a military asset. They are unreliable, and can be dangerous to their fellow soldiers and to themselves. Their care can take years and be quite expensive. But because the macho culture of the military stigmatizes mental health issues, most soldiers won't ask for the help they need.


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Penny Coleman is the widow of a Vietnam veteran who took his own life after coming home. Her book Flashback: Posttraumatic Stress Disorder, Suicide and the Lessons of War was released on Memorial Day 2006. Her Web site is Flashback.

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Denial, Hell
Posted by: RevolutionNet on Aug 12, 2009 12:29 AM   
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It takes at least a small, quivering measure of guts to deny something. What the US government and public are doing and have been to military veterans since 1776 is to just pretend they arent' there.


FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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» RE: Denial, Hell Posted by: Ian MacLeod
» RE: Denial, Hell Posted by: EJLima
Led to slaughter!!
Posted by: Blacktiger1 on Aug 12, 2009 1:55 AM   
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Get into the high schools and military schools, put an end to voluntary sign up to the military. Without cannon fonder the warmongers cannot make war. Teach your children well, to follow the Golden Rule. Refusal to fight begins at home and in the Church. Christian soldiers are not in the military!!!! God is not on the battlefield, He should be in your hearts.

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» RE: Led to slaughter!! Posted by: EJLima
» RE: Led to slaughter!! Posted by: EJLima
» RE: EJLima: WHO is the biggest threat... Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal
» RE: Led to slaughter!! Posted by: RickW
there is always someone employed to crunch the numbers
Posted by: Suzon on Aug 12, 2009 2:43 AM   
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In order to escape accountability for [its] crimes, the [establishment] does everything in [its] power to promote forgetting. Secrecy and silence are the [establishment's] first line of defense. If secrecy fails, the [establishment] attacks the credibility of [its] victim. If [it] cannot silence [him] absolutely, [it] tries to make sure that no one listens. To this end, [it] marshals an impressive array of arguments, from the most blatant denial to the most sophisticated and elegant rationalization. After every atrocity one can expect to hear the same predictable apologies: it never happened; the victim lies; the victim exaggerates; the victim brought it on [himself]; and in any case it is time to forget the past and move on. The more powerful the [establishment], the greater is [its] prerogative to name and define reality, and the more completely [its] arguments prevail. Judith Lewis Herman, Associate Clinical Professor of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School

War is fraud, a distortion of truth and a con. Herman was writing about perpetrators of atrocities and this exactly describes the elite "deciders" who employ and then discard.

Just as Ford did with the flawed Pinto, there will have been number crunchers who have shown how to squeeze the most out of other people's lives.

The conflict between the will to deny horrible events and the will to proclaim them aloud is the central dialectic of psychological trauma. People who have survived atrocities often tell their stories in a highly emotional, contradictory, and fragmented manner that undermines their credibility and thereby serves the twin imperatives of truth-telling and secrecy. When the truth is finally recognized, survivors can begin their recovery. But far too often secrecy prevails, and the story of the traumatic event surfaces not as a verbal narrative but as a symptom. Ibid.

America, which has remained under the baleful influence of the brutal Norman-English Empire, uses law for criminal purposes. Where there is a social ill or a human tragedy, you won't have to look far to find a morally-blind perpetrator.

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How many years did.............
Posted by: ava1984 on Aug 12, 2009 3:21 AM   
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Vietnam vets, and their supporters, beg our rotten government for medical care due to being sprayed, along with millions of helpless South East Asians, with Agent Orange; among other outrages?!

A thumbnail history of our nation, if one would just look, shows what an abysmal record we have in regard to caring for the men and women of the armed forces.

We feed these kids into any number of meat grinders all over the world, to kill and be killed, then treat them like toilet paper when their use to the War Service Industry is no more.

Read 'War is a Racket' by, Lt. Gen. Smedley Butler; it's very eye opening.

Men in my family have served, at least, as far back as our civil war. I wonder how many of them came to believe, with cause, that they and their comrades in arms have been played for suckers?!

One would have to be dumb as a sack of hair to join the US killing machine. BTW, what kind of country brain washes its poor into thinking that their youth must sign over their lives, in hopes,of an education!?

The United States of America! Ain't you proud? Me neither!

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» RE: And now... Posted by: Cybershaman
After Sitting On The Metro And Eavesdropping
Posted by: desidid on Aug 12, 2009 4:13 AM   
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on a group of soldiers conversation there is another reason these soldiers aren't getting the help they need. They feel guilt about not having visible wounds and they voluntarily remove themselves from psychiatric sessions for those whose wounds are obvious.

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Welcome to the new Amerikkka...
Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Aug 12, 2009 5:05 AM   
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...created by the Shrub and company, and continued by Bam Bam.

Those that supported this "war on terrrrrror" in the beginning, only have yourselves to partly blame.

The trillions that went down the toilet in Iraq, that could have been used to do things for vets, fix the infra structure, create jobs, pay for health care, etc., etc., created a debt so large it has essentially bankrupted this country financially and morally.

Thanks guys.

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A stolen election in 2000,
Posted by: weathered on Aug 12, 2009 5:29 AM   
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9/11, Iraq/Afgn theft.....the fact that everyone who touched bush's crime wave of an administration hasn't been indicted is why we are as a Country - soul sick.

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» RE: A stolen election in 2000, Posted by: weathered
» RE: A stolen election in 2000, Posted by: weathered
My Story
Posted by: ajgasper on Aug 12, 2009 5:41 AM   
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My ex had abandoned the marriage and 2 children. Four years later she wanted custody, and I said no. She talks to a lawyer, and then files assault charges against me. The police, 2 different judges, and a magistrate interview her during the pre-trial proceedings. The trial was in District Court of Annapolis, MD in 08/03 with the probable cause for prosecuting me being I am a Vietnam Veteran, and after she shows up at the trial with photographs supposedly taken a week after she filed charges.

In one sense I got lucky, and was found not guilty by the judge, and he chewed the prosecutors out. He happened to be one of the judges mentioned above. However, the two female prosecuting attorneys got pissed and changed the ex-parte proceedings to domestic abuse.

I had not been able to figure out why I've not been able to get a job since 2003 until a few months ago when a Social Worker at the Veterans Administration pulled up my record. I tried to get it es-ponged, but Maryland Law states it doesn't matter what the outcome of a trial is or the findings of a Judge, if it's a domestic case the charges can not be es-ponged.

I have gone through my life savings supporting my children. I will be homeless sometime the end of this year, or the beginning of next year.

I'm just posting this in the hopes that there are more stories like this.

This story is 100% in-line with my experiences, but there is another part. I firmly believe prosecuting attorneys go out of their way to target veterans.

Semper Fi,

Arnold

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» RE: My Story Posted by: Centavo
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» RE: My Story Posted by: ajgasper
scary thoughts...
Posted by: ellie on Aug 12, 2009 6:03 AM   
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with repeated deployments to the sandbox, these soldiers are being discharged... good, they're out of the military... now what does a society do with millions of vets who are war hardened and live among all of us where something could trigger a PTSD episode... for many families who have generational veterans we offer nothing...

we offer only military sign ups for jobs when kids graduate from high school now that even community colleges and trade schools are beyond financial reach...

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Veterans.....
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Aug 12, 2009 6:23 AM   
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The dirty little secret is that as much as Americans and politicians have given lip service to "Support of the Troops" NONE OF THESE CONDITIONS WERE PREPARED FOR BEFORE THIS WAR (or any other)! They have been ill used and treated immorally especially as we have been told innumerable times that this nation prides itself on its "Christianity". Where are the media with the reports of service members that have been discharged back into "civilization" and they have PTSD! Hell people our children are at war, and war is HELL! That bloated Pentagon budget is not passed to "our military", but to the corporate contracts for "defensive weapons systems" most of which don't work! How about using that money to help "OUR VETERANS"!?!

We must fight for them the same way they were sent to fight these wars of choice, fiercely, because they are all "our children"! And never again must we allow liars and cheats, and yes those that evaded military service to send our children off to an ill-conceived war to defend profiteering, greed, and the corporate oligarchy's bottom line!!!

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» We've been infected Posted by: weathered
The mst important and apparent causalities ignored
Posted by: leafsong1 on Aug 12, 2009 7:19 AM   
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1. War causes combat veterans. No crimiinal campaigns of colonial conquest, no homocidal head cases being produced by combat experience.

2. Volunteering for military duty leads to combat experience. All of these 21st century vets had a hand in bringing this on themselves.

3. When the prosecutor points to the combat vet defendant and says "look at the trained and experienced killer," he is pointing out what has been deliberately ignored: military service is almost never heroic; it is almost always barbaric. Someone who joins up because they can't find another job and then finds themselves shooting "hajis" for a living is morally just as much an assassin-for-profit as any street gang thug or mob hit man. We hang a heroic mask on it out of patriotism, and then some patriots complain that the propaganda doesn't continue to protect the vets' actions when they are consequently proved to be menaces to society. Being a trained and experienced killer should rationally be viewed as the equivalent of having a violent criminal record.

I'm all for providing effective treatment to the mentally ill, but there are a lot of mentally ill non-vets who can't get care or who could damage their careers by admitting that they need help. I'm not prone to give veterans special sympathy.

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» Let me guess... Posted by: lupuslefou
» RE: I hate to say it,... Posted by: EJLima
» RE: Let me guess... Posted by: leafsong1
The murder rate in Colorado is 188 times above the average
Posted by: xvictor on Aug 12, 2009 7:31 AM   
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Fort Carson in Colorado is the source of most crimes there.

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» What? Posted by: Hans B
Probably put into many private, for-profit prisons, no doubt!
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Aug 12, 2009 8:09 AM   
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"In terms of the bottom line, it's a trifecta for the military when that happens. A damaged soldier is disappeared, the cost of treatment avoided and the evidence that would prove how often veterans find it impossible to readjust when they come home is erased."

Absolutely sickening!!!

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» damnit, you stole my post! Posted by: hurricane hugo
MORE CASUALTIES OF BUSH'S PLAN OR LACK THEREOF
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Aug 12, 2009 8:19 AM   
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I've read that a plan to go to war has to include the cost of the actual war + fifty years to take care of the resulting caualties and rebuilding. A twenty year old who is seriously injured and never able to go back to normal life must be taken care of for the rest of his/her life whatever it takes. This is all way over Bush's head but he was surrounded by ass-kissers, the worst of them being Gen. Colin Powell. I find his involvement in this to be beneath contempt not to mention disloyal to his own soldiers. ANNA

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» Thanks for all the info Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: Thanks for all the info Posted by: desidid
Call Dick or call Dubya
Posted by: timenotonmyside on Aug 12, 2009 9:07 AM   
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and ask them what to do

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» RE: Call Dick or call Dubya Posted by: EJLima
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War, what's it good for?
Posted by: willymack on Aug 12, 2009 9:18 AM   
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Absolutely NOTHING.
Uh, not so fast.
This would, of course, depend on WHO you are.
If you're the poor schmuck who's been drafted, or suckered into enlisting with a heaping helping of "patriotic" bullshit, you may well be properly screwed either by being blown away, maimed for life, and/or mentally and emotionally scarred, as well as being ignored by the government that extracted everything of value from you.
If you're a war material manufacturer, contractor, oil executive, etc., etc. with political connections, you get obscenely wealthy while keeping yourself and offspring far away from the combat zone, and life is GOOD.
Just take an honest and comprehensive look at the history of our involvement in wars from, let's say, 1898, and with the possible exception of WWII, Iraq and Afghanistan, and ask yourself WHO won those wars.
In my mind, the winners are those same scoundrels who've profited so hamsomely at the expense of ordinary people.
Why are we still in Iraq and Afghanistan? Our elected "leaders" would have us think there are terrorists skulking underneath our beds and hanging out on every street corner, just waiting for the proper moment to strike.
The REAL reason is that wars, phony and otherwise make the fat cats a lot of money, and no matter how rich they get, it isn't enough, because they're criminally INSANE.
How else would you describe those who would derive pleasure from the brutalization of so many of their fellow humans?

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I Met a UK Veteran at a Pimps & Tarts Party - He Was About 28 Years Old But Looked Much Younger...
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Aug 12, 2009 9:57 AM   
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He was one of the few people who weren't in fancy dress.

He had gone out to Iraq before the war had formerly started - with his unit - the SAS - though he didn't call them that. He said we were the Pathfinders.

He said we got well behind enemy lines to the critical points of Iraq's defence infrastracture.

At first he appeared very proud of what he had done and happy to relate his experience. Whilst I am exceedingly anti-war, particularly the Iraq war, I had massive respect for him, and was very friendly amd supportive towards him.

The music was loud, and I was dressed as a pimp, but I was talking to him for about 45 minutes asking the sort of questions you might expect me to ask...

And then he suddenly burst into tears and was crying all over me about what he had done and the innocent people he had personally killed.

I hugged him, and said what are you doing now mate? He said - I've got a job as a spark (electrician).

I said I've got loads of work for you mate. I'm hopeless at electrics and stuff.

I mean For FUCKS SAKE

I can't believe our Country has done this in the New Millennium.

But The Soldier is Not To Be Blamed.

He's got to live with what he has done for the rest of his life.

It's much easier, if you believe your country is under attack and you are defending it.

WAR IS EVIL

DON'T DO IT

Tony

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MY YOUTUBE PTSD VIDEOS
Posted by: vickymiss2001 on Aug 12, 2009 10:24 AM   
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If interested watch my PTSD youtube videos

linked text = Part 1 PTSD

linked text = Part 2

linked text = Part 3

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"he went for the assault rifle he kept in the back of his SUV"
Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey on Aug 12, 2009 11:05 AM   
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What if the vehicle is stolen, what then?

Why an assault rifle at all? Isn't a freaking pistol enough to protect you?

And anybody with an SUV deserves to go to prison anyway! Bad example for the lead-in, says this veteran.

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If you know a vet with PTSD and/or a head injury, please send them this link
Posted by: Defenestrator on Aug 12, 2009 11:53 AM   
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On May 19th 2009, Veterans Helping Veterans Now (www.vhvnow.org) invited Michael VanElzakker, a neuroscientist at the University of Colorado at Boulder, to give a talk on the science of closed-head injury and post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). The talk is intended for people who are dealing with these disorders and is divided into 3 parts: brain injury, PTSD, and "What you can do about it."

link

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larrykueneman
Posted by: larrykueneman on Aug 12, 2009 11:55 AM   
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Certainly, the treatment of returning service men and women is abhorent, and it is wonderful that we are begining to talk about it, but it is the tip of the iceberg of punishment that follows trauma.
We routinely incarcerate people for what amounts to mistreatment by their parents, by society, and in this case by their military seniors and the society in which they are forced to live.
The condition of one believing they have become used to unending traumatic conditions and mental abuse is proven untrue by the fact that they must drink in order to sleep, or that they feel unsafe in society without a gun around.
We must, at some point, acknowledge that society, including the society of war, inflicts damage on people for which civilian life later punishes them specifically because they have been trained away from the norm of a civilized society.
It is incumbent upon us that we consider retraining people from ex-service people to mistreated children. It is considered my fault if I act in a manner hostile to the society in which I live, and to a degree this is true, but we are only now begining to comprehend the effects of the uncivilized actions of parents, military superiors, and horrific conditions. We cannot be considered a civilized society if we do not seek amends for the damage inflicted on our young.

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cephalis
Posted by: cef on Aug 12, 2009 11:57 AM   
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I worked 20 years in VA hospitals and have to point out that the tragedy isn't just the vets, they are connected to families, and the injuries suffered by the young men and women spread like the ripples in a pond when a stone is dropped into it. These patients' distress is multiplied within their connections--and most of our society is thus harmed. The damage is incalculable.

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Only a tip of whats really there
Posted by: psychologist on Aug 12, 2009 12:00 PM   
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The article only covers a tip of the iceberg and is inadaquate to say the least. The article is the results of some internet digging and a few discussions. I have worked on military bases as a military family life consultant for the last year and have listened to the stories of nearly 500 or more military in all the branches of services. A recent research project conducted by american medical association concluded that 15% of soldiers returning from combat are exhibiting signs of PTSD. Ft Campbell 12% ft Hood 18% are examples. They are being screened and your article is untrue in this regard. you also are not discussing relissency training that is being conducted at many bases now! Your author is misinformed and uneducated as to the current services available to military totally confidential and no records kept.

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I recently spent hours in a veteran's hospital
Posted by: Ellie1 on Aug 12, 2009 12:19 PM   
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with my late father, a vet of ww2. Being anti Bush and anti-war, my eyes and ears were open at all times,and it turned my stomach to have to walk past a large picture of "President" George Bushit upon entering the hospital. I observed several young men waiting for buses outside of the hospital, curled on a bench in a fetal position, obviously getting psychiatric help. One of my father's
roomates was a man who could not speak or move from the neck down. I asked a nurse if he had been in Iraq, she said, "No, VIETNAM!" He had been a vegetable for over 25 years.

I had such hopes when Obama was elected, now I am just in despair for this country.

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According To Our 18 Year Old Daughter There is a Major Meterorite Shower Across The Planet Tonight
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Aug 12, 2009 12:23 PM   
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Our home has been filled with lots of 18 Year Old Kids this Summer - when they have not been off into the English Countryside Camping together...

They all seem really nice people, and one of them is going to Film School, whilst the rest of them are going to Universities all over the place...

So they've been doing a film project - with far better kit than I have, and they have scripted all the parts - and they each play the roles...

And then they won't see each other until Christmas...

But hey, don't you think I feel good as a parent - completely open and welcoming to our teenage daughter and all our friends

Sure they make a bit of a mess, but are generally incredibly polite and undemanding.

I just love seeing my daughter so happy and active with all her friends

But I did say to them all...

Katy - Why is your car covered in BLOOD - are you doing a Road Crash Movie or something?

They all laughed and said - don't worry - it is just fake blood.

And so I noticed the Marmite had disappeared - and I like Marmite Butties late at night

And she said - yes we have used your marmite as another special effect - but you can have it back - we haven't used much.

And apparently she is telling the Truth - though I haven't researched it anywhere else

It is pissing down with rain here

Apologies, if this is off topic, and you don't like my essays - but you might go out tonight and see the most incredible shooting stars later tonight..

They are well worth seeing

Just lie back and relax and look

You do need to be patient and have a clear sky

Tony

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The Irony and Hypocrisy
Posted by: harryf200 on Aug 12, 2009 12:29 PM   
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"We" (not me!) demand we have effective soldiers to fight wars, and their aggression, their killing power, makes them heroes.

They had that mind set built into them when they have their civilian outlook destroyed in Basic Training, and their minds are further altered by their experience in war.

And when these people, with screwed up minds, get back into civilian life, they are expected to act "normal" and punished because they are still the same people they were as heroes on the battle field.

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F**k the USO!
Posted by: Steven Wanzell on Aug 12, 2009 2:47 PM   
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It makes me want to vomit every time I hear that USO radio ad about the hapless victims fighting the corporatocracy's Iraq war for increased oil profits: ..."we love, honor and cherish each and every one of you"...blah, blah, blah. Oh, yeah? Where are your volunteers and vast resources, as these vets rot under bridges, in jail cells, on the brink of suicide/homicide?

USO's relentless cheerleading makes up nothing more (or less!) than continued propaganda designed to gloss over the fact that these broken people are dumped in the alleys of America when there's nothing left to be leached out of them. And, as a recriuting tool for the armed forces.

If this "charitable organization" really cared about these tragically misguided American patriots, their ads would NOT be selling support for the war(s), as 'support for the troops'. Instead, they WOULD be attacking the warmongers, and fighting to bring those innocent victims home, while preventing others from being sucked in. This whitewashing agency is a boil on the ass of 'good intentions'.

F**k the USO and its warlord masters! They'll never get a dime or a good word from me, until they stop selling war, and start trying to stop it.

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Hey Peg - How's that dangerous-dog killer from last week doing ?
Posted by: guns4everyone on Aug 12, 2009 3:03 PM   
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These gun-tottin' vets are alright and should be on all of ours dinner guest lists according to Peggy Coleman.

btw, Peg, how's "Brian" the dog-shootin' Special Forces dude from last week doing ? You know the guy you said would go packed to pick up his kids at their school. Has he done some gun flair theatrics in front of their school, to put the fear of God in some disheveled-looking kids he's suspected of being bullies, yet ?

Just wonderin

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Viet Vet finally free
Posted by: chronicreform on Aug 12, 2009 4:05 PM   
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Thank You for this article, I discharged from the 82nd in '71 and was in the PEN by '73...go figure? About the only organization that I recall doing anything in prison for the Vets was AmVets with the empty chair/missing man. Symbolic...you betcha...but it helped. And when you get outta the joint there could have been a little support because by that time you're pretty much in survival mode most of the time.Marijuana is what I discovered as medicine and I am now in NorCal where it's legal.

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gimmie shelter
Posted by: gimmie shelter on Aug 12, 2009 5:00 PM   
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This has to be an agreement between the military and the for profit prisons.

The military like most corporations do anything they can to not have to take responsibility for what they have promised post employment. We have seen this time and time again after all if they did the right thing they would not have the slush fund to lavish bonuses on themselves or hide where all the congressional funds are going too.

The military is misdiagnosing to keep their profit level up and the criminal justice system is stretched beyond it's limits and has no time to actually find out what is going on but instead relies on plea bargains to move the masses through the system.

Then we have the prisons who were privatized and are for profit corporations which could care less and in fact would make more money the longer their dividend paying occupants languish in prison.

This government needs to be held accountable for promises made and denied. They should have to feel the pain that our returning heroes feel. How dare this F...ing government deny what is due to the men and women who served this country and put their lives on the line 24/7 so that we at home can sleep easier. A duty they carried out at the expense of their civilian jobs their marriages and their sanity.

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» RE: gimmie shelter Posted by: gimmie shelter
Scary
Posted by: aapinko on Aug 12, 2009 5:47 PM   
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Dude, that is downright scary when you think about it!

RT
Online Privacy when it Counts

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An analogous look at domestic "schooling"
Posted by: tokerdesigner on Aug 12, 2009 6:21 PM   
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The hidden continent of harms this article covers in respect to veterans of foreign wars has an even more overlooked complement in what happens to children in schools.

Just as our nation, led by political decision-makers, sends young men and women to fight for its alleged protection and benefit, so parents are encouraged (and legally bound) to send their children to these things called schools, in the hopes that there the child will "learn" how to "make the grade" (win the favor of teachers) and "get along" (win the favor of, or perhaps the mercy of other children)-- with the result that some years down the road that child will be a strong capable competitor for the job, advantageous marriage, etc., i.e. money which secures the comfort and safety in old age of said parents.

But perhaps an article can be found somewhere which, like this one in respect to military service, truthfully assesses the cost, enduring damages which are left behind in the psyche of the cowed children who, like many veterans as stated above, are either ashamed or afraid to admit the true extent of the effects left by the bullying which routinely occurs in schools, especially the tough urban ones.

Bear with me as I attempt to connect what I have said with the goetterdaemmerung of 2008. Children, doing what they can to survive, will try to join the gang so they will have someone to protect them against the bullying that happens to a kid with "no friends". (This may require ritualistic binge drinking and enhabituation to nicotine etc.) What happens when the family loses their home (through a foreclosure, say, or eviction), have to move, and the child now faces being the "new kid" with no friends at another tough urban school?

At this point, as rightwing talkwackoes like to say, the "goons" from ACORN intervene to "force" someone to give that family a mortgage in some suburban school district where they can feel their child will be safer from abuse. Housing "out there" is of course absurdly overpriced through zoning laws meant expressly to keep "undesirables" out, right? But they take on the huge debt and at least "get started'" in the house, maybe things will work out right. Then when something goes wrong, a parent loses a job, someone gets sick, etc.-- foreclosure! Enough of those, and the neighborhood begins to look bad, "values" go down, it's 2008, and commentators are looking for someone to blame.

My point with this wandering story is that the school system needs the same kind of attention that the military receives in the above article, because of the similar unobvious long-term chain of consequences. Dots need to be connected.

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InsideOut
Posted by: InsideOut on Aug 13, 2009 3:52 AM   
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Arnold
You can come live with us.

Semper Fi

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» Send Israel the bill Posted by: weathered
Ruling Class Hydraulics
Posted by: talkville on Aug 14, 2009 7:25 PM   
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The ruling class sees people and populations in a liquid form. They ebb and flow, in drips and torrents; they are channeled in this or that direction and deposited in this or that tank.

Prisons are the tanks where all the "surplus" and "useless" flows end up -- those that upset the Balanced Circulation of an Economy Based on on Profits.

Costs and Benefits is their "bottom line". Costs to us; Benefits to them.

"Win-Win"

Watch out when they tell you: "go with the flow".

These troops are simply useless for their Marketing and Advertising Campaigns and Propaganda Ceremonial Theater Productions.

We're the ones to support these troops; not them.

That's beneath the Prussian Ruling Classes.

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hr
Posted by: itouch backup on Aug 17, 2009 9:33 AM   
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I RECENTLY LOST AN OLD FRIEND. HE DRANK HIMSELF TO DEATH. HE FOLLOWED
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Aug 17, 2009 8:43 PM   
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Patton through the battle of the bulge. A few months before he died I asked him how the dreams were coming. He said that they were getting further apart. He had a lifetime of really serious nightmares. They have stopped. He is dead. He managed to control it, somewhat, until his wife died.

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There is hope with EFT
Posted by: RadiantLux on Aug 18, 2009 3:38 PM   
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Watch a video: EFT for Veterans
Emotional Freedom Technique has successfully been used to help veterans heal from PTSD. There are many EFT practitioners that work with veterans. The free manual can also be downloaded from the website. I've used it for 5 years and found it amazing.
I hope this helps someone.

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DVD to Gphone Converter
Posted by: boay on Aug 24, 2009 6:45 PM   
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asfwe
Posted by: mjx729 on Aug 28, 2009 8:11 PM   
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Convert To Apple TV
Posted by: 250baichi on Aug 31, 2009 1:20 AM   
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