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Petraeus Is a Failure -- Why Do We Pretend He's Been a Success?
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Gen. David Petraeus’ aura of success resulting from reduced violence in Iraq has blinded normally sensible observers to his far greater failure in Afghanistan and Pakistan. His ill-conceived effort to deny al-Qaida and the Taliban “safe havens” in Pakistan -- through drone aircraft bombing, special-forces assassination and perhaps torture (by way of association with Gen. Stanley McChrystal, his new Afghanistan military commander) -- has backfired, driving the Taliban east into Pakistan, where they have joined local allies to weaken the Pakistani government. It has also strengthened, not weakened, al-Qaida and alienated growing numbers of Pakistanis. The Petraeus strategy has thus dramatically strengthened America’s enemies and helped destabilize a nuclear-armed nation of 170 million whose importance dwarfs Iraq and Afghanistan combined. More alarmingly, he now intends to escalate his failed strategy, which could cause unimaginable catastrophes in coming months and years.
President Obama -- who may well regret his call as a candidate for attacking Taliban safe havens in Pakistan, given the debacle those attacks have produced -- should replace Petraeus, and McChrystal’s nomination should be blocked. However, Obama is unlikely to take such an action absent significant public pressure. Petraeus has enormous leverage over the president. The general is extremely popular because of the perceived success of the Iraqi surge. The Obama administration could be capsized by a combination of likely losses in the “Af-Pak”¬ theater and the popular Petraeus resigning and blaming Obama, one imagines, for “not listening to his military commanders.” Obama could even be defeated in 2012 by Petraeus himself on those grounds, should persistent Washington rumors about a nascent “Petraeus for President” campaign prove true.
Obama’s best political defense if his Middle East policy fails, as appears likely, would be to claim he was following the military’s lead. This may explain why he has reversed himself and adopted such Bush policies as military tribunals and preventive detention.
It is critical now for Congress, the media, opinion makers and the public to undertake an objective analysis of the basic question: Has the Petraeus strategy worked in the Afghanistan-Pakistan theater?
The general’s “Iraqi surge” strategy is irrelevant to this question. Past military victories do not guarantee future success. Petraeus has been no more successful in “Af-Pak” than the creators of the Maginot Line were in World War II, generals who had succeeded in World War I.
When Petraeus became head of CENTCOM (the U.S. Central Command) in October 2008, he became America’s chief military strategist for the theater, overseeing Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, the Middle East and Central Asia.
Petraeus clearly sees himself as the central player in the region. When a New York Post interviewer stated on May 19, “As the commander of the US Central Command, you’re the big-picture `strategy guy,’ ” Petraeus did not demur. Instead he referred to his “strong” team of generals -- McChrystal, David Rodriguez and Karl Eikenberry (the new U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan) -- and added that “I’m privileged to have Ambassador Richard Holbrooke as my `diplomatic wingman.’ ” The perceived success of the surge in Iraq had given Petraeus tremendous power, allowing him to extend the strategy to the Afghanistan-Pakistan theater.
The most important mission of the general, as overall theater commander, has been to design a strategy to ensure that fighting in Afghanistan does not destabilize its nuclear-armed neighbor Pakistan. He has failed in this mission.
David Kilcullen, Petraeus’ own counterinsurgency adviser in Iraq, has characterized U.S. policy as a fundamental “strategic error ... our insistence on personalizing this conflict with Al Qaeda and the Taliban, devoting time and resources toward killing or capturing ‘high-value’ targets ... distracts us from larger problems.”
As Kilcullen had noted earlier, these “larger problems” include the potential “collapse of the Pakistani state,” which he called a calamity that in light of the country’s size, strategic location and nuclear stockpile would “dwarf” all other dangers in the region. While Petraeus obviously does not bear sole responsibility for all problems in the Af-Pak theater, his many “strategic errors” have played a major role in weakening the U.S. and strengthening its enemies, as I will outline below.
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Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Jun 24, 2009 1:37 AM
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More of the same, coming up. and soon enough, he'll be ordered to turn his urban warfare trained ("Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out") killrt spes loose on us. When the economy tanks, it will go all at once: water, food shipments, fuel, Social Contract checks,
EVERYTHING. Then it's gonna get messy.
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Posted by: pfgetty on Jun 24, 2009 2:53 AM
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Really, does anybody know why we are there, and going into Pakistan?
Remember how all of this started? It was 911. Somehow we invaded Afghanistan because people training in the mountains there supposedly attacked us. There is no evidence at all that stands up to scrutiny that anybody from Afghanistan attacked us. Yet we invaded, killing thousands, and continue to kill there every day.
Do you remember that the Taliban offered up bin Laden, as long as they could send him to a third country to stand trial in an international setting. The press reported that briefly, then never mentioned it again.
And the press, like Alternet, never again mentioned that the case against Afghanistan and the trainees there has no substance. It is all a fraud.
We have plenty of proof......PROOF.........that the story of 911 is a lie. From the proof that the collapses occurred via controlled demolition to the proof that the hijackers named are alive to the fact that these guys could not have controlled the jets to the impossibility that all four could evade our air defense system.
And yet Alternet and the rest of the media have censored all of this.
Why?
What kind of grip do the pro war monsters have over our media? Is it money? Threats? Are they linked to groups that wanted all of this, like weapons industries or oil or ProIsrael groups?
Alternet, can you tell us?
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» New charges were filed in 2004...
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» Another demonstration of the breadth and depth of your dishonesty, "Left"Wrong?
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» What's with all the name calling, grow up already!
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» RE: An incredible mess............and then try to remember why we are in Afghanistan... 911?
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» Well said.
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» The article's title contains Petraeus; thus, I can post my off-topic 911 "truth" propaganda.
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» RE: An incredible mess............and then try to remember why we are in Afghanistan... 911?
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» Gee, I guess a fucking general should know why he's there or get the hell out.
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Posted by: bonapartist on Jun 24, 2009 3:11 AM
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Old Pet is a reliable jackal though so Obama kept him in service, not to mention he probably knows too much and might start talking if kicked out. To eliminate him might be a liability due to high profile so he is sent to another colonial venture.
Competences have nothing to do with it. After all money is made while the war is rolling, if he "won" the war woudl end and then what? No fat billions for oversized military and no pork to distribute.
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» It's you who are a little off on your facts - ethnic cleansing slowed because there was no one left
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» "there was no one left"
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Posted by: johnwinthrop on Jun 24, 2009 3:51 AM
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The war in 06 was about to cause the Establishment to collapse. The 'surge' stabilized some of the worst combat spots, and that's all the useless media needed to make Petraeus a hero.
The media needs a person to symbolize an issue, as it is incapable of indepth ideological or sociological research and reporting to reveal cause and effect.
Bush went on to lose for the many other reasons besides Iraq that revealed his stupidity and lack of consciousness about ordinary people. But he didn't lose because of Iraq. Obama was lucky he had a doofus for an opponent.
Now Obama continues those same Petraeus policies, confident, I suppose, that if one surge is good, two are better.
We need to make our narcissistic President get out now. That is why millions supported him initially. Contracting strategic policy to the military is what Bush did. Why should we endure more of it?
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Posted by: TFYQA on Jun 24, 2009 5:06 AM
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"The plutocrats believe there are some things worse than war: the confiscation of special privileges; the abolition of unearned income; the overthrow of the economic parasitism; the establishment of industrial democracy. The plutocrats would welcome a war that promised salvation from any such calamities; they would also welcome a war that promised greater foreign markets, the destruction of foreign competition, more security for property rights and a longer lease on life for plutocratic despotism." - Scott Nearing — 1917
"I believe that if we had and would keep our dirty, bloody, dollar-soaked fingers out of the business of these nations so full of depressed, exploited people, they will arrive at a solution of their own -- and if unfortunately their revolution must be of the violent type because the "haves" refuse to share with the "have-nots" by any peaceful method, at least what they get will be their own, and not the American style, which they don't want and above all don't want crammed down their throats by Americans. ": -- General David M. Shoup - Commandant of the Marine Corps 1960-63, winner of the Congressional Medal of Honor - Source: May 14, 1966
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» Good points but it's Medal of Honor - please. No conressional ever.
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Posted by: jmmartin on Jun 24, 2009 5:18 AM
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Possible answer: Because the Right made such a big hoop de doo about Move On's advertisements re: "Betray Us" we've been cowed into letting him do as he pleases. The "surge" supposedly "worked," so he became a hero.
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Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Jun 24, 2009 5:29 AM
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Obama Completely believes at least outwardly in the war on terror. The war on terror is a fake war created out of the false flag attack on 9/11. It is amazing how even educated well-informed supposedly people still talk as if this war on terror is not a creation of the CIA and the secret government that actually runs his country. This is the "secret government" that Bill Moyers talked about in his documentary played on PBS back in 1987.
For more articles and videos go to 911insidejob.net.
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Posted by: Jaffe on Jun 24, 2009 10:47 AM
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The moronic "surge" is considered a success only because fewer Americans are being killed--if one can believe the casualty reports.
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Posted by: peterjkraus on Jun 24, 2009 11:40 AM
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Fuck Petraeus and all the chest-full-of-medals assholes like him.
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Posted by: jackb29 on Jun 24, 2009 9:24 PM
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Branfman is a old Vietnam antiwar figure that sees everything thru that prism. Southwest Asia is not Vietnam. Pakistan is turning against the Taliban, and the latest reports in the NYTimes and Washington Post bear that out. Also, although the Paki Army is a conventional force, it is very nationalistic and well trained and equiped. With 750,000 soldiers, it far outnumbers the Taliban.
Read up on a few more recent press reports, and rewrite this bad article.
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Posted by: bobtr900 on Jun 26, 2009 5:38 PM
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And another thing, 14 terrorists dead and 700 civilians dead. Again the GOP and their Religious Right are just killing and torturing them for their own good. 14 vs 700, that's some trade off, but it's for their own good, so say the GOP. An equation for death and corporate/theological profits, all brought to you by the GOP and their RR's.
Hmmm!!!
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Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Jun 24, 2009 1:37 AM
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More of the same, coming up. and soon enough, he'll be ordered to turn his urban warfare trained ("Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out") killrt spes loose on us. When the economy tanks, it will go all at once: water, food shipments, fuel, Social Contract checks,
EVERYTHING. Then it's gonna get messy.
Ian
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» "Kill them all...." is a quote from a general who, on orders from the pope, killed thousands of
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Posted by: pfgetty on Jun 24, 2009 2:53 AM
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Really, does anybody know why we are there, and going into Pakistan?
Remember how all of this started? It was 911. Somehow we invaded Afghanistan because people training in the mountains there supposedly attacked us. There is no evidence at all that stands up to scrutiny that anybody from Afghanistan attacked us. Yet we invaded, killing thousands, and continue to kill there every day.
Do you remember that the Taliban offered up bin Laden, as long as they could send him to a third country to stand trial in an international setting. The press reported that briefly, then never mentioned it again.
And the press, like Alternet, never again mentioned that the case against Afghanistan and the trainees there has no substance. It is all a fraud.
We have plenty of proof......PROOF.........that the story of 911 is a lie. From the proof that the collapses occurred via controlled demolition to the proof that the hijackers named are alive to the fact that these guys could not have controlled the jets to the impossibility that all four could evade our air defense system.
And yet Alternet and the rest of the media have censored all of this.
Why?
What kind of grip do the pro war monsters have over our media? Is it money? Threats? Are they linked to groups that wanted all of this, like weapons industries or oil or ProIsrael groups?
Alternet, can you tell us?
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» Did you read the article about Kurt Sonnenfeld at 911blogger.com?
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» Alternative link to main article
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» Hey Centavo.
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» Thanks. Can't wait to see it LeftWright.
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» I wonder if we can get the book.
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» Here is an excerpt from that article and story by Kurt Sonnenfeld
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» Kurt Sonnenfeld the wife Killer...really credible
Posted by: EncinoM
» They constantly post neo-Nazi 911 "truth", so why not promote a murderer?
Posted by: GuitarBill
» The charges were dismissed after her suicide note was found, read the whole story
Posted by: LeftWright
» The charges were refiled in 2004, and he is a fugitive from justice
Posted by: GuitarBill
» An reinstated after new evidence came to light.
Posted by: EncinoM
» It seems the Argentinian courts don't agree and they looked at the "evidence" for seven months
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» Sonnenfeld, 44, is charged with first-degree murder in the death of his wife, Nancy.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» "The charges against Sonnenfeld were dismissed just before trial in June 2002
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» New charges were filed in 2004...
Posted by: EncinoM
» Another demonstration of the breadth and depth of your dishonesty, "Left"Wrong?
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» What's with all the name calling, grow up already!
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» RE: An incredible mess............and then try to remember why we are in Afghanistan... 911?
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» Well said.
Posted by: GuitarBill
» The article's title contains Petraeus; thus, I can post my off-topic 911 "truth" propaganda.
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» RE: An incredible mess............and then try to remember why we are in Afghanistan... 911?
Posted by: virgie
» To anyone truly interested in learning about the events of 9/11/01, here are some places to start:
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» Gee, I guess a fucking general should know why he's there or get the hell out.
Posted by: thekidde
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Posted by: bonapartist on Jun 24, 2009 3:11 AM
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Old Pet is a reliable jackal though so Obama kept him in service, not to mention he probably knows too much and might start talking if kicked out. To eliminate him might be a liability due to high profile so he is sent to another colonial venture.
Competences have nothing to do with it. After all money is made while the war is rolling, if he "won" the war woudl end and then what? No fat billions for oversized military and no pork to distribute.
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» It's you who are a little off on your facts - ethnic cleansing slowed because there was no one left
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» "there was no one left"
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Posted by: johnwinthrop on Jun 24, 2009 3:51 AM
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The war in 06 was about to cause the Establishment to collapse. The 'surge' stabilized some of the worst combat spots, and that's all the useless media needed to make Petraeus a hero.
The media needs a person to symbolize an issue, as it is incapable of indepth ideological or sociological research and reporting to reveal cause and effect.
Bush went on to lose for the many other reasons besides Iraq that revealed his stupidity and lack of consciousness about ordinary people. But he didn't lose because of Iraq. Obama was lucky he had a doofus for an opponent.
Now Obama continues those same Petraeus policies, confident, I suppose, that if one surge is good, two are better.
We need to make our narcissistic President get out now. That is why millions supported him initially. Contracting strategic policy to the military is what Bush did. Why should we endure more of it?
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Posted by: TFYQA on Jun 24, 2009 5:06 AM
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linked text
"The plutocrats believe there are some things worse than war: the confiscation of special privileges; the abolition of unearned income; the overthrow of the economic parasitism; the establishment of industrial democracy. The plutocrats would welcome a war that promised salvation from any such calamities; they would also welcome a war that promised greater foreign markets, the destruction of foreign competition, more security for property rights and a longer lease on life for plutocratic despotism." - Scott Nearing — 1917
"I believe that if we had and would keep our dirty, bloody, dollar-soaked fingers out of the business of these nations so full of depressed, exploited people, they will arrive at a solution of their own -- and if unfortunately their revolution must be of the violent type because the "haves" refuse to share with the "have-nots" by any peaceful method, at least what they get will be their own, and not the American style, which they don't want and above all don't want crammed down their throats by Americans. ": -- General David M. Shoup - Commandant of the Marine Corps 1960-63, winner of the Congressional Medal of Honor - Source: May 14, 1966
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» Good points but it's Medal of Honor - please. No conressional ever.
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Posted by: jmmartin on Jun 24, 2009 5:18 AM
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Possible answer: Because the Right made such a big hoop de doo about Move On's advertisements re: "Betray Us" we've been cowed into letting him do as he pleases. The "surge" supposedly "worked," so he became a hero.
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Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Jun 24, 2009 5:29 AM
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Obama Completely believes at least outwardly in the war on terror. The war on terror is a fake war created out of the false flag attack on 9/11. It is amazing how even educated well-informed supposedly people still talk as if this war on terror is not a creation of the CIA and the secret government that actually runs his country. This is the "secret government" that Bill Moyers talked about in his documentary played on PBS back in 1987.
For more articles and videos go to 911insidejob.net.
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Posted by: badkitty on Jun 24, 2009 10:25 AM
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Posted by: Jaffe on Jun 24, 2009 10:47 AM
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The moronic "surge" is considered a success only because fewer Americans are being killed--if one can believe the casualty reports.
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Posted by: peterjkraus on Jun 24, 2009 11:40 AM
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Fuck Petraeus and all the chest-full-of-medals assholes like him.
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Posted by: willymack on Jun 24, 2009 7:22 PM
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Posted by: jackb29 on Jun 24, 2009 9:24 PM
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Branfman is a old Vietnam antiwar figure that sees everything thru that prism. Southwest Asia is not Vietnam. Pakistan is turning against the Taliban, and the latest reports in the NYTimes and Washington Post bear that out. Also, although the Paki Army is a conventional force, it is very nationalistic and well trained and equiped. With 750,000 soldiers, it far outnumbers the Taliban.
Read up on a few more recent press reports, and rewrite this bad article.
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Posted by: googoomuck on Jun 25, 2009 11:02 PM
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Posted by: bobtr900 on Jun 26, 2009 5:38 PM
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And another thing, 14 terrorists dead and 700 civilians dead. Again the GOP and their Religious Right are just killing and torturing them for their own good. 14 vs 700, that's some trade off, but it's for their own good, so say the GOP. An equation for death and corporate/theological profits, all brought to you by the GOP and their RR's.
Hmmm!!!
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