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Shame: The 'Anti-War' Democrats Who Sold Out
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In a vote that should go down in recent histories as a day of shame for the Democrats, on Tuesday the House voted to approve another $106 billion dollars for the bloody wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (and increasingly Pakistan). To put a fine point on the interconnection of the iron fist of U.S. militarism and the hidden hand of free market neoliberal economics, the bill included a massive initiative to give the International Monetary Fund billions more in U.S. taxpayer funds.
What once Democrats could argue was "Bush's war," they now officially own. In fact, only five Republicans voted for the supplemental (though overwhelmingly not on the issue of the war funding). Ron Paul, who made clear he was voting against the war, was a notable exception.
This vote has revealed a sobering statistic for the anti-war movement in this country and brought to the surface a broader issue that should give die-hard partisan Democrats who purport to be anti-war reason for serious pause about the actual state of their party. Only 30 Democrats voted against the war funding when it mattered. And these 30 did so in the face of significant threats to their political future from the White House and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. That means that only 30 out of 256 Democrats are willing to stand up to the war and the current president presiding over it. Their names are listed below; I would encourage people to call them and thank them for standing up and voting no when it counted.
Two other Democrats, not expected to vote against the war funding, joined the anti-war Democrats. Brad Sherman and Pete Stark brought the total number of Democratic votes against the supplemental to 32.
Now, there are many Democrats who consistently vote for war funding, including Nancy Pelosi, but not many of them have such little shame that they dare characterize themselves as anti-war. Remember, 221 voted Tuesday in favor of the war funding. But for those who campaign as anti-war and signed pledges not to continue funding war and then vote for billions more for wars they claim to oppose, Tuesday should be remembered as a day of shame and cowardice. Here are the Democrats who voted against war funding when it didn't count and yes (on Tuesday) when it did--and when refusing to do so might have affected them personally: Yvette Clarke, Steve Cohen, Jim Cooper, Jerry Costello, Barney Frank, Luis Gutierrez, Jay Inslee, Steve Kagen, Edward Markey, Doris Matsui, Jim McDermott, George Miller, Grace Napolitano, Richard Neal (MA), James Oberstar, Jan Schakowsky, Mike Thompson, Edolphus Towns, Nydia Velázquez, and Anthony Weiner. These legislators should be called and asked why they voted for war funding they claimed to oppose last month.
Tuesday's vote came after an intense campaign by progressive bloggers, activists and anti-war Congressmembers Dennis Kucinich, Lynn Woolsey and Jim McGovern to get the 39 Democrats needed to block war funding to vote against it. This was made possible due to a roller-coaster-like series of events in the weeks and days preceding the vote.
The White House and the Democratic Congressional Leadership played a very dirty game in their effort to ram through the funding. In the crosshairs of the big guns at the White House and on Capitol Hill were anti-war legislators (particularly freshmen), and the movement to hold those responsible for torture accountable.
In funding the wars post-Bush, the Obama White House has been able to rely on strong GOP support to marginalize the anti-war Democrats who pledged back in 2007 to vote against continued funding (as 51 Democrats did in May when the supplemental was first voted on). But the White House ran into trouble on this bill because of Republican opposition to some of the provisions added to the bill (primarily the IMF funding) and one removed (the Graham-Lieberman amendment that would have blocked the release of prisoner abuse photos). This created a situation where the White House and pro-war Democrats actually need a fair number of anti-war Democrats (whose votes seldom matter this much) to switch sides and vote with them. That is why this battle was so important for the anti-war movement.
Many Democrats (who may not have necessarily been against the supplemental) were up in arms when the Graham-Lieberman provision (which the White House “actively” supported) was on the table. Facing warnings that it could derail the funding package, the White House stepped in, deploying Rahm Emanuel to the Hill to convince legislators to drop the amendment, while at the same time pledging that Obama would use his authority to continue to fight the release of more photos:
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Posted by: lastmarx1 on Jun 17, 2009 1:54 AM
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» Jeremy, some readers just need to feel self-important; don't take it personally.
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» Oops! Spoke too soon! Like Truthers (below say), go join the MSM Mr. Jeremy!
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» Special thanks to Jim McGovern ...
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Posted by: Moonray on Jun 17, 2009 2:32 AM
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It's obvious that the Demopublicans aren't serious about solving the nation's problems. Their main priority -- as it has been for decades -- is to further enrich the powerful special interests and extend their own influence. The upshot is that the U.S. government is no longer able to manage the nation effectively. The corruption and incompetence are so profound that our economy is in shambles and our future has never been so bleak.
Who knows where all this will end, but I suspect it will be very messy.
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Jun 17, 2009 2:38 AM
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The Bush/Cheney regime invaded Iraq under the pretext that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.
Mr. Obama is now eyeballing Pakistan under the pretext that Osama is hiding there.
Seems like we are sheeple & fools going around in circles, doesn't it???
And why is Obama getting a free pass on all of this???
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Posted by: pfgetty on Jun 17, 2009 2:49 AM
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As long as this is the case, they will go along with the biggest consequence of 911, the war on terror.
Really, I can't blame them.
Once you pretend to believe in the lies of 911, you really have to follow up with a faux-patriotic support for the wars against al Qaeda, the pretend attackers that day.
But isn't it strange that not one public servant has commented on or seems to care about the huge contradictions and impossibilities of the official story? There is even PROOF positive that proves the story is a lie: finding nanothermite in the dust of the WTC. How can they ignore this?
But a bigger question: how can YOU ignore it, Jeremy? How can you continue to write about the insanity of these wars and torture and military campaigns and not ever, EVER look into the evidence that shows 911 to be a lie?
What is keeping you from doing your job?
We KNOW that politicians will be corrupted by the system, but we are supposed to have a fourth estate that will shine a light on the corruption. And YOU are supposed to be part of that, especially since you are part of the alternative media that was created because the msm wasn't doing its job.
What is going on, Jeremy?
It would be so easy to write convincing articles explaining the problems of the official story. How about searching out those who made that nanothermite? There are so many threads. But you won't go there. Why?
I think if you are going to play this game about 911, the avoidance of the truth, then it is better just to go along with the war and report on it and support it. Why not? The wars will not end because you complain and yap about them. As long as 911 is our truth, the wars will continue regardless of what you do.
So just join the msm and stop wasting your time.
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» RE: Jeremy, why would you think people who pretend to believe the lies of 911 would be against the war?
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» It is hard to believe Jeremy doesn't know the truth
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» Loose Change...
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» RE: Jeremy, why would you think people who pretend to believe the lies of 911 would be against the war?
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» Yes, one person can not take on all of that.........
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» RE: Jeremy, why would you think people who pretend to believe the lies of 911 would be against the war?
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» Is that right? 3%?
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» RE: Jeremy, why would you think people who pretend to believe the lies of 911 would be against the war?
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» I hope you are right.
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» Troll! The article's title says "Anti-War"; thus, I can post my 911 "truth" SPAM.
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» And your job, PFConspiranoid? To lie for Al Qeada.
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» Numbing of conscience
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» To anyone truly interested in learning about the events of 9/11/01, here are some places to start:
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Jun 17, 2009 3:24 AM
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What disturbs me more is the revelation that the Obama Administration was on the wrong side of the fight, and, as Jeremy says, that they fought dirty against members of their own party.
This accords with the behavior of the people behind Obama--his hardcore supporters, and the people working his political machine. If you examine their behavior, you will see that the people behind Barack Obama people actively hate Democrats and will to do anything to hurt their fellow Democrats.
Not good.
I would draw your attention to the primaries, which were the dirteist thing I ever saw. I never saw Democrats treat Democrats the way Obama's more ardent supporters did. They alienated millions of lifelong Democrats, who are not likely to rejoin the fold when Obama needs help.
Obama's Presidential campaign, by contrast, was clean and above-board. They brutalized a woman from their own party...and yet they handled the Repubs with kid gloves.
What does this mean?
It means that the people behind Obama are willing to do anything to hurt their fellow Democrats, but would never harm a hair on a Republican's head. Jeremy's article confirms this sad fact.
My friends, we are in extraordinarily deep doodoo. We have an Administration in the White House which is in no way Democratic, and which actively works to hurt Democrats. This is as at least as big a problem as spineless Congresspeople.
Rupert Murdoch in Pain
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Posted by: STORMY78 on Jun 17, 2009 4:04 AM
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Bush doctrine and Obama doctrine are interchangable. Where's the change Obama promised?. We were all lied to!!!!
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» Serves you right. When were you ever not lied to?
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Posted by: obamapawn on Jun 17, 2009 4:21 AM
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Reading this article just makes me realize again how ineffective and counterproductive politicians are. It is all about covering up their real intentions which are to support wholeheartedly the military-industrial oil private central banking complex.
go to 911insidejob.net for many articles and videos.
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Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Jun 17, 2009 6:58 AM
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Posted by: QQOblivion on Jun 17, 2009 7:34 AM
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Look at the bright side. The Afghanistan invasion, as well as the Iraq invasion, is ruining the US militarily. This will be the end of American Empire.
I would be almost giddy about that if it weren't for all the mass-killing of innocent Afghan civilians!
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Posted by: Brb007 on Jun 17, 2009 8:38 AM
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Obama has many similarities to Bush. The only difference that I can easily note, is that his rhetoric is much less offensive and he has learned well that politicians can catch more flies with honey, rather than vinegar.
Obama is using similar "executive orders and privilege" to perpetuate the wars, our covert torture policies, denial of civil liberties and freedoms with continuing and extending "The Patriot Act" in it's full, vile form ... and a number of other unethical issues that we were facing and fully expecting him to do a reversal of. Why does this war funding shock anyone? Obama ... the anti-war candidate, has become the perpetuator and enabler in chief and the Democrats, who so badly wanted to gain control to "right the wrongs" of the Bush Administration, are now just another long list of lying theocratic politicians, who wallow only in their delight of power and corruption and act only on self serving issues.
They got my vote in 2008, for lack of a better choice as I saw it then. They will not get it again. Our duopoly is criminal and should be disbanned. We need to get rid of all of them and begin anew, with a representative government which truly represents the people and our republic, rather than representing the corporate and baking elite!
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Posted by: mikeblack on Jun 17, 2009 9:00 AM
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Posted by: John More on Jun 17, 2009 9:21 AM
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Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Jun 17, 2009 10:26 AM
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how you are liking that "less of two evils strategy anyway?
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» LOL. Good comment (less of two evils...).
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» Sarah Palin is just as useless if not worse than/as Obama.
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Posted by: chlamor on Jun 17, 2009 5:36 PM
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Even many whose views are developed enough to recognize such truths as the fundamental rottenness of the 2-party system & the complicity of Democrats in all of the Republicans' major crimes, are still unable to draw the logical consequences of these insights. (Those so naive that they still conceive of Democrats as being the "opponents" of Republicans are another case altogether.)
The central point is this: capitalist society permits the Democrats to be one of the 2 allowed parties for a very definite reason. It's not because the Democrats "serve the people." It's because in a subtle but effective way, they help the capitalists keep the populace under control by providing them with the illusion of possible change. TPTB don't want the people "served." They want them managed, or controlled.
It is the job, the central social function of the Democrats to always be dangling before the people's noses vague pseudo-hints of possible change, so as to keep them from bolting from bourgeois politics altogether. It is the Democrats' intention to never deliver meaningful change, but rather to keep dangling hints of it alluringly forever. This produces control -- a populace habituated to remain safely within the lines required by ruling class interests.
This is why the Democrats NEVER paint a picture of US history that's the slightest bit accurate -- they want a brainwashed population every bit as much as the Republicans do. This is why they NEVER are willing to set forth an honest socioeconomic analysis of why things are as they are -- they much prefer that people not understand such things.
As long as a large chunk of voters can be deceived by the seemingly "nicer guy" act of the Democrats, there is no hope whatever of coming to grips with the core problems of our society. The most dangerous trends -- a wasteful consumer society, environmental destruction, grotesque social inequality, and an uncontrollable propaganda/war machine -- cannot even be approached within the framework of bourgeois politics, because they all serve ruling class interests. This is what is really being protected, when people opt to support Democrats just because they seem less blatantly cruel on TV.
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Posted by: rkossik on Jun 17, 2009 7:46 PM
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But that's it. From now on, what Obama and the Democratic Congress do with Iraq and Afghanistan will belong to them. Obama needs to aggressively draw down troop levels and get us completely out of Iraq, and Democrats should demand he does so. There isn't much more time to fritter away.
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http://questionwar.com/liberalholocaust.html
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Posted by: Freedom for all on Jun 18, 2009 3:46 AM
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Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong opposition to this conference report on the War Supplemental Appropriations. I wonder what happened to all of my colleagues who said they were opposed to the ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. I wonder what happened to my colleagues who voted with me as I opposed every war supplemental request under the previous administration. It seems, with very few exceptions, they have changed their position on the war now that the White House has changed hands. I find this troubling. As I have said while opposing previous war funding requests, a vote to fund the war is a vote in favor of the war. Congress exercises its constitutional prerogatives through the power of the purse.
This conference report, being a Washington-style compromise, reflects one thing Congress agrees on: spending money we do not have. So this “compromise” bill spends 15 percent more than the president requested, which is $9 billion more than in the original House bill and $14.6 billion more than the original Senate version. Included in this final version — in addition to the $106 billion to continue the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq — is a $108 billion loan guarantee to the International Monetary Fund, allowing that destructive organization to continue spending taxpayer money to prop up corrupt elites and promote harmful economic policies overseas.
As Americans struggle through the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression, this emergency supplemental appropriations bill sends billions of dollars overseas as foreign aid. Included in this appropriation is $660 million for Gaza, $555 million for Israel, $310 million for Egypt, $300 million for Jordan, and $420 million for Mexico. Some $889 million will be sent to the United Nations for “peacekeeping” missions. Almost one billion dollars will be sent overseas to address the global financial crisis outside our borders and nearly $8 billion will be spent to address a “potential pandemic flu.”
Mr. Speaker, I continue to believe that the best way to support our troops is to bring them home from Iraq and Afghanistan. If one looks at the original authorization for the use of force in Afghanistan, it is clear that the ongoing and expanding nation-building mission there has nothing to do with our goal of capturing and bringing to justice those who attacked the United States on September 11, 2001. Our continued presence in Iraq and Afghanistan does not make us safer at home, but in fact it undermines our national security. I urge my colleagues to defeat this reckless conference report.
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Posted by: bonapartist on Jun 18, 2009 10:29 AM
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Republican vs Democrat is Coke vs Pepsi and Republican+Democrat = US rulling Oligarchy.
This proved yet again that they are the same gang and those 30 who dissent are a proof there is still hope for some sort of a change.
US political system needs a reform and multi-party system is a must to break the oligarchy that currently holds monopoly on power.
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Posted by: Captain Moroni on Jun 18, 2009 2:29 PM
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WHEN WILL PROGRESSIVES HERE LEARN FROM HISTORY???
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Posted by: Gold9472 on Jun 18, 2009 6:29 PM
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Now can we do the RIGHT THING, and talk about the 9/11 Cover-Up?
http://visibility911.com/jongold/?p=676
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Posted by: markw4786 on Jun 18, 2009 8:35 PM
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Posted by: dkmeller on Jun 19, 2009 8:54 AM
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Bush and Cheney were merely symptoms. The disease of a deeply flawed foreign, defence and economic policy runs much deeper, and greatly predates Obama's predecessor.
The American government rushed pell-mell into an interventionist and globalist foreign policy in 1898 under McKinley. It was confirmed and immeasurably strengthened under Wilson after 1917, and more so after FDR around 1940, when his "new deal" failed so ignominiously to recover us from the depression.
Fortunately, there are Republicans and independents--mostly Libertarians and Constitutionalists--who oppose war and imperialism as much as you do. Start working with them. Ron Paul (R-TX) already has a growing group called Campaign for Liberty. They agree with disillusioned and frustrated antiwar Democrats.
If militarists, neocons, and globalists can work with each other to promote their odious programs, why can't their opponents show similar co operation promoting peace, liberty. and prosperity,especially since both intelligence and morality are on our side?
PEACE AND FREEDOM
David K.Meller
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Posted by: cahorton on Jun 19, 2009 2:31 PM
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The rank and file of the Democratic Party here is healthy, and made up largely of union, community and liberal activists. Whatever in the end will be the solution to the demoralizing dead-end we seem to be at, they will be a part of it.
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Posted by: scott@alter on Jun 20, 2009 8:24 AM
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Like ALL statists he has no problem with violence by the state against their own people, thats why he isn't supporting the protesters in Iran (not that they're any better than their masters either).
how does it feel to find out that your Democratic leaders are just as bad as the Republicans.
ROTFLMAO!
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Posted by: NolanLawson on Jun 21, 2009 11:46 PM
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One question, though - what does "free market, neoliberal economics" have to do with the US government coercing money from taxpayers and giving it to an intra-governmental organization like the IMF? That doesn't sound very free-market to me.
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Posted by: Chazmania on Jun 22, 2009 2:04 AM
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the terms democrats or republicans are just facades for people that believe in America as supreme ruler of the world. you see there actions give them away! there words never match. Americans are too heaped in lies from every direction to recognize these lies anymore as such.
Politicians go for the job because its the place to be to manipulate and make a living off it. Obama is the best i have ever seen. i was fooled into believing in "hope and change" and voted for another "lawyer"
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Posted by: mutex on Jun 22, 2009 4:47 PM
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The 'war on terror' is the fundamental lie from which all other lies draw their strength and legitimacy. Until you confront the simple fact that the American Empire uses the concepts of 'freedom and democracy' as a cover to expand its influence you will always miss the larger truth.
You rightly point out that the IMF, WTO and USAID et al. have "actually damaged, rather than stimulated" economies of most third world countries. The actual purpose of these organizations is to keep these countries and their peoples in debt so that they can be manipulated to the advantage of the U.S., its allies and corporations...not to improve their lives!
So, WHY do you have a blind spot when it comes to the 'war on terror'???
Thw war on Afghanistan is NOT the good war! Providing money and weapons to the corrupt regimes of Pakistan, Egypt Saudi Arabia and countless dictators around the world does NOT promote freedom, democracy or a better life for the billions of people living on less than $2/day!
Mr. Scahill, is your only goal that the subjugated people of the world be treated slightly less harshly by rulers like Obama or do you truly advocate justice and self-determination for ALL people...even if they live outside the pearly gates of God's chosen people?
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Posted by: Moonray on Jun 17, 2009 2:32 AM
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It's obvious that the Demopublicans aren't serious about solving the nation's problems. Their main priority -- as it has been for decades -- is to further enrich the powerful special interests and extend their own influence. The upshot is that the U.S. government is no longer able to manage the nation effectively. The corruption and incompetence are so profound that our economy is in shambles and our future has never been so bleak.
Who knows where all this will end, but I suspect it will be very messy.
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Jun 17, 2009 2:38 AM
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The Bush/Cheney regime invaded Iraq under the pretext that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.
Mr. Obama is now eyeballing Pakistan under the pretext that Osama is hiding there.
Seems like we are sheeple & fools going around in circles, doesn't it???
And why is Obama getting a free pass on all of this???
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Posted by: pfgetty on Jun 17, 2009 2:49 AM
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As long as this is the case, they will go along with the biggest consequence of 911, the war on terror.
Really, I can't blame them.
Once you pretend to believe in the lies of 911, you really have to follow up with a faux-patriotic support for the wars against al Qaeda, the pretend attackers that day.
But isn't it strange that not one public servant has commented on or seems to care about the huge contradictions and impossibilities of the official story? There is even PROOF positive that proves the story is a lie: finding nanothermite in the dust of the WTC. How can they ignore this?
But a bigger question: how can YOU ignore it, Jeremy? How can you continue to write about the insanity of these wars and torture and military campaigns and not ever, EVER look into the evidence that shows 911 to be a lie?
What is keeping you from doing your job?
We KNOW that politicians will be corrupted by the system, but we are supposed to have a fourth estate that will shine a light on the corruption. And YOU are supposed to be part of that, especially since you are part of the alternative media that was created because the msm wasn't doing its job.
What is going on, Jeremy?
It would be so easy to write convincing articles explaining the problems of the official story. How about searching out those who made that nanothermite? There are so many threads. But you won't go there. Why?
I think if you are going to play this game about 911, the avoidance of the truth, then it is better just to go along with the war and report on it and support it. Why not? The wars will not end because you complain and yap about them. As long as 911 is our truth, the wars will continue regardless of what you do.
So just join the msm and stop wasting your time.
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Jun 17, 2009 3:24 AM
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What disturbs me more is the revelation that the Obama Administration was on the wrong side of the fight, and, as Jeremy says, that they fought dirty against members of their own party.
This accords with the behavior of the people behind Obama--his hardcore supporters, and the people working his political machine. If you examine their behavior, you will see that the people behind Barack Obama people actively hate Democrats and will to do anything to hurt their fellow Democrats.
Not good.
I would draw your attention to the primaries, which were the dirteist thing I ever saw. I never saw Democrats treat Democrats the way Obama's more ardent supporters did. They alienated millions of lifelong Democrats, who are not likely to rejoin the fold when Obama needs help.
Obama's Presidential campaign, by contrast, was clean and above-board. They brutalized a woman from their own party...and yet they handled the Repubs with kid gloves.
What does this mean?
It means that the people behind Obama are willing to do anything to hurt their fellow Democrats, but would never harm a hair on a Republican's head. Jeremy's article confirms this sad fact.
My friends, we are in extraordinarily deep doodoo. We have an Administration in the White House which is in no way Democratic, and which actively works to hurt Democrats. This is as at least as big a problem as spineless Congresspeople.
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Posted by: STORMY78 on Jun 17, 2009 4:04 AM
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Bush doctrine and Obama doctrine are interchangable. Where's the change Obama promised?. We were all lied to!!!!
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Posted by: obamapawn on Jun 17, 2009 4:21 AM
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Reading this article just makes me realize again how ineffective and counterproductive politicians are. It is all about covering up their real intentions which are to support wholeheartedly the military-industrial oil private central banking complex.
go to 911insidejob.net for many articles and videos.
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Posted by: QQOblivion on Jun 17, 2009 7:34 AM
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Look at the bright side. The Afghanistan invasion, as well as the Iraq invasion, is ruining the US militarily. This will be the end of American Empire.
I would be almost giddy about that if it weren't for all the mass-killing of innocent Afghan civilians!
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Posted by: Brb007 on Jun 17, 2009 8:38 AM
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Obama has many similarities to Bush. The only difference that I can easily note, is that his rhetoric is much less offensive and he has learned well that politicians can catch more flies with honey, rather than vinegar.
Obama is using similar "executive orders and privilege" to perpetuate the wars, our covert torture policies, denial of civil liberties and freedoms with continuing and extending "The Patriot Act" in it's full, vile form ... and a number of other unethical issues that we were facing and fully expecting him to do a reversal of. Why does this war funding shock anyone? Obama ... the anti-war candidate, has become the perpetuator and enabler in chief and the Democrats, who so badly wanted to gain control to "right the wrongs" of the Bush Administration, are now just another long list of lying theocratic politicians, who wallow only in their delight of power and corruption and act only on self serving issues.
They got my vote in 2008, for lack of a better choice as I saw it then. They will not get it again. Our duopoly is criminal and should be disbanned. We need to get rid of all of them and begin anew, with a representative government which truly represents the people and our republic, rather than representing the corporate and baking elite!
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Posted by: SeattlePackedSnowandCollidedCars on Jun 17, 2009 10:26 AM
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how you are liking that "less of two evils strategy anyway?
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Posted by: chlamor on Jun 17, 2009 5:36 PM
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Even many whose views are developed enough to recognize such truths as the fundamental rottenness of the 2-party system & the complicity of Democrats in all of the Republicans' major crimes, are still unable to draw the logical consequences of these insights. (Those so naive that they still conceive of Democrats as being the "opponents" of Republicans are another case altogether.)
The central point is this: capitalist society permits the Democrats to be one of the 2 allowed parties for a very definite reason. It's not because the Democrats "serve the people." It's because in a subtle but effective way, they help the capitalists keep the populace under control by providing them with the illusion of possible change. TPTB don't want the people "served." They want them managed, or controlled.
It is the job, the central social function of the Democrats to always be dangling before the people's noses vague pseudo-hints of possible change, so as to keep them from bolting from bourgeois politics altogether. It is the Democrats' intention to never deliver meaningful change, but rather to keep dangling hints of it alluringly forever. This produces control -- a populace habituated to remain safely within the lines required by ruling class interests.
This is why the Democrats NEVER paint a picture of US history that's the slightest bit accurate -- they want a brainwashed population every bit as much as the Republicans do. This is why they NEVER are willing to set forth an honest socioeconomic analysis of why things are as they are -- they much prefer that people not understand such things.
As long as a large chunk of voters can be deceived by the seemingly "nicer guy" act of the Democrats, there is no hope whatever of coming to grips with the core problems of our society. The most dangerous trends -- a wasteful consumer society, environmental destruction, grotesque social inequality, and an uncontrollable propaganda/war machine -- cannot even be approached within the framework of bourgeois politics, because they all serve ruling class interests. This is what is really being protected, when people opt to support Democrats just because they seem less blatantly cruel on TV.
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Posted by: rkossik on Jun 17, 2009 7:46 PM
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But that's it. From now on, what Obama and the Democratic Congress do with Iraq and Afghanistan will belong to them. Obama needs to aggressively draw down troop levels and get us completely out of Iraq, and Democrats should demand he does so. There isn't much more time to fritter away.
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http://questionwar.com/liberalholocaust.html
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Posted by: Freedom for all on Jun 18, 2009 3:46 AM
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Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong opposition to this conference report on the War Supplemental Appropriations. I wonder what happened to all of my colleagues who said they were opposed to the ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. I wonder what happened to my colleagues who voted with me as I opposed every war supplemental request under the previous administration. It seems, with very few exceptions, they have changed their position on the war now that the White House has changed hands. I find this troubling. As I have said while opposing previous war funding requests, a vote to fund the war is a vote in favor of the war. Congress exercises its constitutional prerogatives through the power of the purse.
This conference report, being a Washington-style compromise, reflects one thing Congress agrees on: spending money we do not have. So this “compromise” bill spends 15 percent more than the president requested, which is $9 billion more than in the original House bill and $14.6 billion more than the original Senate version. Included in this final version — in addition to the $106 billion to continue the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq — is a $108 billion loan guarantee to the International Monetary Fund, allowing that destructive organization to continue spending taxpayer money to prop up corrupt elites and promote harmful economic policies overseas.
As Americans struggle through the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression, this emergency supplemental appropriations bill sends billions of dollars overseas as foreign aid. Included in this appropriation is $660 million for Gaza, $555 million for Israel, $310 million for Egypt, $300 million for Jordan, and $420 million for Mexico. Some $889 million will be sent to the United Nations for “peacekeeping” missions. Almost one billion dollars will be sent overseas to address the global financial crisis outside our borders and nearly $8 billion will be spent to address a “potential pandemic flu.”
Mr. Speaker, I continue to believe that the best way to support our troops is to bring them home from Iraq and Afghanistan. If one looks at the original authorization for the use of force in Afghanistan, it is clear that the ongoing and expanding nation-building mission there has nothing to do with our goal of capturing and bringing to justice those who attacked the United States on September 11, 2001. Our continued presence in Iraq and Afghanistan does not make us safer at home, but in fact it undermines our national security. I urge my colleagues to defeat this reckless conference report.
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Posted by: bonapartist on Jun 18, 2009 10:29 AM
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Republican vs Democrat is Coke vs Pepsi and Republican+Democrat = US rulling Oligarchy.
This proved yet again that they are the same gang and those 30 who dissent are a proof there is still hope for some sort of a change.
US political system needs a reform and multi-party system is a must to break the oligarchy that currently holds monopoly on power.
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Posted by: Captain Moroni on Jun 18, 2009 2:29 PM
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WHEN WILL PROGRESSIVES HERE LEARN FROM HISTORY???
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Posted by: Gold9472 on Jun 18, 2009 6:29 PM
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Now can we do the RIGHT THING, and talk about the 9/11 Cover-Up?
http://visibility911.com/jongold/?p=676
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Posted by: dkmeller on Jun 19, 2009 8:54 AM
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Bush and Cheney were merely symptoms. The disease of a deeply flawed foreign, defence and economic policy runs much deeper, and greatly predates Obama's predecessor.
The American government rushed pell-mell into an interventionist and globalist foreign policy in 1898 under McKinley. It was confirmed and immeasurably strengthened under Wilson after 1917, and more so after FDR around 1940, when his "new deal" failed so ignominiously to recover us from the depression.
Fortunately, there are Republicans and independents--mostly Libertarians and Constitutionalists--who oppose war and imperialism as much as you do. Start working with them. Ron Paul (R-TX) already has a growing group called Campaign for Liberty. They agree with disillusioned and frustrated antiwar Democrats.
If militarists, neocons, and globalists can work with each other to promote their odious programs, why can't their opponents show similar co operation promoting peace, liberty. and prosperity,especially since both intelligence and morality are on our side?
PEACE AND FREEDOM
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Posted by: cahorton on Jun 19, 2009 2:31 PM
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The rank and file of the Democratic Party here is healthy, and made up largely of union, community and liberal activists. Whatever in the end will be the solution to the demoralizing dead-end we seem to be at, they will be a part of it.
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Posted by: scott@alter on Jun 20, 2009 8:24 AM
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Like ALL statists he has no problem with violence by the state against their own people, thats why he isn't supporting the protesters in Iran (not that they're any better than their masters either).
how does it feel to find out that your Democratic leaders are just as bad as the Republicans.
ROTFLMAO!
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Posted by: NolanLawson on Jun 21, 2009 11:46 PM
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One question, though - what does "free market, neoliberal economics" have to do with the US government coercing money from taxpayers and giving it to an intra-governmental organization like the IMF? That doesn't sound very free-market to me.
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Posted by: Chazmania on Jun 22, 2009 2:04 AM
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the terms democrats or republicans are just facades for people that believe in America as supreme ruler of the world. you see there actions give them away! there words never match. Americans are too heaped in lies from every direction to recognize these lies anymore as such.
Politicians go for the job because its the place to be to manipulate and make a living off it. Obama is the best i have ever seen. i was fooled into believing in "hope and change" and voted for another "lawyer"
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Posted by: mutex on Jun 22, 2009 4:47 PM
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The 'war on terror' is the fundamental lie from which all other lies draw their strength and legitimacy. Until you confront the simple fact that the American Empire uses the concepts of 'freedom and democracy' as a cover to expand its influence you will always miss the larger truth.
You rightly point out that the IMF, WTO and USAID et al. have "actually damaged, rather than stimulated" economies of most third world countries. The actual purpose of these organizations is to keep these countries and their peoples in debt so that they can be manipulated to the advantage of the U.S., its allies and corporations...not to improve their lives!
So, WHY do you have a blind spot when it comes to the 'war on terror'???
Thw war on Afghanistan is NOT the good war! Providing money and weapons to the corrupt regimes of Pakistan, Egypt Saudi Arabia and countless dictators around the world does NOT promote freedom, democracy or a better life for the billions of people living on less than $2/day!
Mr. Scahill, is your only goal that the subjugated people of the world be treated slightly less harshly by rulers like Obama or do you truly advocate justice and self-determination for ALL people...even if they live outside the pearly gates of God's chosen people?
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