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Iran's Stolen Election Has Sparked an Uprising -- What Should the U.S. Do?

By Stephen Zunes, AlterNet. Posted June 15, 2009.


Can the United States speed the process for greater freedom in Iran? Yes. By staying out of the way as much as possible.
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As the fraudulent outcomes in the presidential races of 2000 in the United States and 2006 in Mexico demonstrate, elections can be stolen without the public rising up to successfully challenge the results. There have been cases, however, where such attempted thefts have been overturned through massive nonviolent resistance, as in the Philippines in 1985, Serbia in 2000, Georgia in 2003, and Ukraine in 2005. It is unclear as of this writing how the people of Iran will react to what increasingly appears to be the theft of their presidential election. So far, protests have been scattered, lacking in discipline and therefore easily suppressed. A general strike is planned, however, and a more cohesive and strategic resistance movement may emerge.

Despite the increased repression of recent years, Iran has witnessed a growing civil society movement and increasing calls for greater freedom. Indeed, those in the Iranian regime correctly recognize that the biggest threat to their grip on power comes not from the United States or Israel, but from their own people. Civilian-based insurrections have played a critical role over the past century in challenging Iranian rulers, such as during the Constitutional Revolution of 1907 and the overthrow of the Shah in 1979. Iran's clerical leaders, faced with growing dissent—particularly among youth, women, the middle class, and urban dwellers—realize that they may be next.

Already, the clerical leadership has been warning that it is willing to do whatever is necessary to nip a “velvet revolution” -- in reference to the two-week popular uprising that ousted Czechoslovakia’s Communist regime in November 1989 -- in the bud.

This may explain the clumsy effort by Iranian authorities to steal last Friday’s election. It had been widely assumed that the country’s powerful clerical leadership saw incumbent President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as something of a loose cannon. Meanwhile, his principal rival Mir Hossein Mousavi – despite his disagreements with Supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei over the years -- was very much part of the establishment. Indeed, Mousavi would not have even been allowed to run for president otherwise, since the Council of Guardians routinely forbids anyone who is seen to not sufficiently support the country’s theocratic system to participate.

Yet, Mousavi attracted such a large and enthusiastic following in the course of the campaign that the ruling clerics may have feared the momentum of his incipient victory could result not just in limited reforms, like those attempted under former president Mohammed Khatami, but revolutionary change. The size and intensity of Mousevi’s final rally last week, in which he referred to Ahmadinejad as a “dictator” -- which, by extension, implied an indictment of the system as a whole -- may have tilted the clerics into believing they could not take the risk of allowing the anticipated results to be verified. Despite his candidacy displaying a personality and style closer to Michael Dukakis than Barack Obama, Mousavi came to represent the change so many Iranians, especially young people, desperately desired and appeared determined to make happen.

So far, there are little indications that the diverse opposition in Iran has the organizational and strategic wherewithal to mount a massive nonviolent action campaign that could overturn the stolen election and bring greater democracy to that country. This stolen election may hasten that day, however. Iran today is not unlike Eastern Europe in the 1970s. The people may not be ready to overthrow the system, but the ideological hegemony which had previously maintained that system and stifled freedom of thought has largely vanished. Even among Iranians dedicated to the principles of the Islamic Republic, many now see their country essentially as a police state, recognizing that Ahmadinejad and the ruling clerics are little more than corrupt self-interested politicians who have manipulated their people’s religious faith for the sake of their own power.

Most Iranians were born after the bitter struggle against the tyrannical Shah and only a minority remember the bloody war with Iraq which followed, legacies on which the country’s leaders have tried to legitimize their rule. It no longer seems to be working.

In thousands of little ways – from satellite dishes hidden behind rooftop cisterns, to clandestine mixed social gatherings of unchaperoned young people, to women incrementally expanding the limits of what is considered acceptable apparel – small acts of resistance are undermining the authority of the regime. And such resistance is not coming just from affluent educated neighborhoods in North Tehran, but across classes and ethnicities and regions.

The Role of the United States

This raises the question: what can the United States do to speed the process for greater freedom in Iran?

The answer may be to stay out of the way as much as possible.

Despite claims by former President George W. Bush that the United States has always supported "liberty" and "democracy" in Iran, the history of U.S.-Iranian relations during both Republican and Democratic administrations has demonstrated very little support for a democratic Iran. In the early 1950s, the last time Iran had a democratic constitutional government, the United States joined Great Britain and other countries in imposing strict economic sanctions against Iran in response to the nationalization of the country's oil resources, which until then had been under foreign control. Taking advantage of the resulting economic collapse and political turmoil that followed, the CIA helped engineer a coup against Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh and returned Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi from exile to rule with an iron fist.


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Stephen Zunes is a professor of Politics and chair of Middle Eastern Studies at the University of San Francisco and serves as a senior policy analyst for Foreign Policy in Focus.

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We Should Be Shamed Back to Our Ideals
Posted by: artie on Jun 15, 2009 1:26 AM   
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The conclusion of the article, that "the best hope for Iran comes from Iranian civil society," should strike the (US) readers as a blatant, albeit, excruciating non sequitur. While most of the premises concerning a well-organized and broad-based civil opposition may be true, the counter-example to the conclusion is that afforded by our own (the US) case. Despite having the machinery, the democratic process suffered a velvet usurpation.
Perhaps, the best course the US can take is to excite widespread domestic self-reflection upon the ideals of which the country self-deceptively boasts itself to be a paragon. Let all of us - especially Obama and my fellow Democrats - deeply appropriate the shame - as Reverend Shuttlesworth once argued - that any repentant hypocrite feels, and accordingly take steps to thwart the slow seductive march to fascism that has swept across our recent history.

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A coupla points
Posted by: HeroesAll on Jun 15, 2009 2:48 AM   
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First, let's please ditch the 'regime change' euphemism and call it what it is - overthrowing a government. Every time I hear a US politician call for regime change in someone else's country, I cringe, because of the history of the US in overthrowing other governments and installing their own pets.

Secondly, the idea that the US should have any say in the government of another country is scary, yet so many pundits seem to assume they have the right to do whatever the hell they want. Would the citizens of the US happily accept the Chinese government, for example, funding an attempt to overthrow the US government? If the Chinese government funded the Democratic party, do you think that would boost their support in the US? Probably not.

Thirdly, all the trumpeting about 'democracy' from the right is less credible than the man in the moon: notice that they've not once complained about a dearth of democracy in Saudi Arabia, for example. Most of the rest of the world, particularly in the Middle East, is aware of that, although most Americans seem not to be.

And there's a desperate irony in the idea of bombing the crap out of a country in order to bring democracy. But when your only tool is a bunch of bombs, everything looks like an excuse to use them (yes, a pathetic attempt to use the "when the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" idea, but it's the best I can do).

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» RE: A coupla points Posted by: kennybent
Be Calm -- Stop the Israeli Drumbeat For War
Posted by: itsthemedication on Jun 15, 2009 3:23 AM   
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I'm seeing a lot of hysteria in the media, but I've also seen at least one article in our very biased press that shows a Rockefeller foundation sponsored poll that showed Ahmadinejad would easily win. I am certain of two things. First, Israel wants to use this vote to show that Iran is evil and cannot be trusted in a diplomatic exchange, thus strengthening their cry for a US led war that we simply can't afford (regardless of the morality). Secondly, the Iran of today is a result of Western backstabbing starting with the overthrow of the 1953 government and the installation of the brutal Shah. For the West to meddle in Iranian politics at this point in time will merely give fuel to the hardliners that see this (and maybe rightly so) as another attempt by the CIA and Mossad to install a puppet.

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Just Look At Our Record and You'll See Immediately Why We Should Stay Out of It
Posted by: ZPaul on Jun 15, 2009 4:06 AM   
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What's our track record as "Liberators"? Yep, that's right. Plus, this country is already in hock for the next 3 generations. We should stay out of it.

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This isn't so much about politics
Posted by: tsmith144000 on Jun 15, 2009 4:07 AM   
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The Iranian people are waking up to the fact that they're being isolated from the rest of the world because of their dictator-ish leaders. The vast majority of their country is under 30 years old & moderate; meaning that They (having taken cues from Us) are ready for changes, Big Time. This is much more akin to a cultural revolution (special shoutout to the internet). Their hearts & minds are metamorphosing. This election and its turnout (80%!!) are a by-product of this. Mousavi openly criticized the establishment after the results!?! Thats a new one. A new state of mind. And yes the best thing that we can do is butt out, they don't trust us in any fashion anyways.

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observer
Posted by: davy on Jun 15, 2009 5:32 AM   
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It's a pot / kettle kinda thing. The U.S. is in no position to interfere. Maybe we all, Iranians and Americans need to look into our own hearts. Maybe it's the only thing that will actually work and maybe it's the hardest thing of all.

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For the US it's too late to do anything.
Posted by: wagner on Jun 15, 2009 6:13 AM   
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Had we have done the same thing in 2000, we would not have to deal with two wars and would probably not have the economic melt-down today.

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One thing and one thing only...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jun 15, 2009 6:44 AM   
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Keep israel from doing ANYTHING against Iran.

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The partisans will compare techniques,..
Posted by: godsbreath64 on Jun 15, 2009 6:52 AM   
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the people will get back on their one trick pony and ostrich.

Jeb 2012 !!

Crackhead Bush 2020 !!!

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History legitimizes the current Iranian regime...
Posted by: leafsong1 on Jun 15, 2009 7:12 AM   
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...according to the facts in the article (minus the author's deceptive spin). The highest aspiration of any people is self-determination. No people can be free if their government is held in thrall, however covertly or benevolently, by a foreign power. Democracy has failed Iran in the past; Mossadegh led to the Shah. Democracy has proven to be a tool for the west to manipulate weaker nations. The west even has the gall to assert that we have brought democracy to Iraq, a vicious lie that the Iranians cannot fail to notice. We even manipulate our own democracy (2000, 2004). Iran is still in the midst of a dire military emergency inflicted on them by the west's criminal invasions of two of Iran's neighbors. And the idea that mass movements cannot be highjacked by individual politicians and turned into something corrupt stinks of the sort of naievete that only a die-hard Obamabot would harbor. The west has made the ME unsafe for democracy; the Iranian regime is simply adapting to the history that we made. Kahmeni may have done the right thing for Iran, though lovers of truth, democracy, and the American way likely won't see it that way.

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» Off on several counts Posted by: brunowe
» Your history's off too Posted by: brunowe
Iran and America
Posted by: purereason on Jun 15, 2009 7:16 AM   
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When George W. Bush came to power the first time it was by rigging the election. Those who went to enquire about it came back with silence. The second time he came to power with the help of the religious fundamentalists.

In Iran Ahmedinejad came to power first with the support of the people. Now he thinks the religious fundamentalists will help him. What an irony?

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Grand Ayatollah
Posted by: JSquercia on Jun 15, 2009 7:25 AM   
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Strangely enough the Grand Ayatollah Khamenia is now saying the Election should be looked into . So perhaps the protests did do some good as this is a far cry from his previous endorsement of the results
One thing for sure we should stay out of it and as someone previously posted make sure Israel stays out of it .
The thing to remember is that Khamenie is the guy who controls the country and that unlike Ahmadinejad he has stated that Atomic Weapons are against the Koran .So even if the results stand Ahmadinejad doesn't really have nearly the amount of power people suppose he has .

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» RE: Grand Ayatollah Posted by: bettyn
What to do? What to do?
Posted by: Basenjis on Jun 15, 2009 7:35 AM   
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What should the USA do in the case of a possible public uprising in Iran?

Why not the same thing we would all hope Iran would do in case of a public uprising in the USA?

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Hilarious Freudian slip!
Posted by: Bruce-Man-Do on Jun 15, 2009 7:46 AM   
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I assume, in the second paragraph, where the author writes"... the United States of Israel...", that he meant to write "or", instead of "of". But, with a probably-unintended honesty, the original works for me!

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What should the Us do about Iran's election?
Posted by: Aquinas on Jun 15, 2009 8:13 AM   
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Not a damn thing! It's none of our business.

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What to do?
Posted by: Lucidity on Jun 15, 2009 8:27 AM   
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What the US should do is mind our own business for once! It should be of no concern to us what goes on in other countries. Sticking our noses where it does not belong has gotten us and this world where it is today. Besides what about the stolen elections that have been taking place here in the US for the past decades?

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» RE: What to do? Posted by: willymack
half an article
Posted by: Brianwrit on Jun 15, 2009 8:49 AM   
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it would have been so nice for the author to have led with the second half of this piece. it is much more colorful, and much more revealing of the causes of today's situation. as such, the "velvet revolution" idea can also be shown as a sham promoted bby commentators.

the threat from "within" or its own citizens, as in the article, curiously fails to mention the US secret-ops (yes, still busy over there!) funding for in-house rebellion. so the US is not out, has never been out, and will not get out, despite official comments.

yes, miracles can happen.

but in all likelihood, one of these protestors, paid for with your tax money, will be accused of treason and executed. and this will only strengthen the regime hard-liners claim to want to overthrow (oh, my mistake: "change"). remember the kurds, anyone?

also missing in this article is any reportage of the reason the current president has any support - services for the poor. the shah let poor people starve in the street. that, again, through our tax money.

the bottom line is we are addicted to oil. not only iran's, but oil all over the world. and only a green revolution, not a "velvet" one, will deflate the irans and the iraqs and the libyas and the nigerias of the world.

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Here's all you do...
Posted by: reg373 on Jun 15, 2009 9:04 AM   
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Suspect election in Iran / solution: have results verified by old pal Jimmy Carter... ;^) --- found a cool site; Balkingpoints ; incredible satellite view of earth

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A lot of words for a simple question
Posted by: willymack on Jun 15, 2009 9:39 AM   
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"What should the US do?"
Not a goddam thing except MINDING OUR OWN BUSINESS, for a change.

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Israel better Pray
Posted by: weathered on Jun 15, 2009 10:11 AM   
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nothing happens to America.

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Alternet Oddity
Posted by: james108 on Jun 15, 2009 11:41 AM   
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This is the first subject I've seen Alternet repeatedly shuffle stories off the front page and re-vise new articles. It seems like they keep repainting this issue until they will get some sort of perceived reaction that we agree the election is stolen. There was a lot of good responses to the other articles they posted on this topic, but the articles were taken out of the regular front page shuffle.

Should we just play along so they'll quit removing articles from the front page in order to get the spin they want?

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primitives
Posted by: drsivana99 on Jun 15, 2009 11:50 AM   
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I think all of this rioting going on just shows how backward and uncivilized the Iranian people are. They need to look to America as an example. Whenever someone steals a presidential election here, we just go on about our business as though nothing had happened.

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regime change
Posted by: maxsmart on Jun 15, 2009 12:08 PM   
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I think given the 4 axis of evils and the Hersh reports of special forces going into Iran and the regime change policies and the CIA involvement in the 1953 regime change and the CIA involvement in Central and South America that any analysis of what is happening there is suspect.

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» Oh yeah... Posted by: james108
Is the US an honest broker?
Posted by: Jaffe on Jun 15, 2009 12:35 PM   
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One is not supposed to mention this, but the US is the only country to explode the atomic bomb not once but twice in Hiroshima and Nagasaki when the Pacific war was in effect over, that is, when Japan was prepared to surrender.

The US continues to use ever greater amounts of depleted uranium--with a half-life of what? a billion years?--in its aggression in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The International Red Cross attributed the deaths from leukemia of thousands of iraqi children to the depleted uranium that was employed in the first Gulf War.

The US and other "First World" countries greatly facilitated Israel's secret access to nuclear weapons, and later, when the US suspected India of courting the Soviets, the US "tilted towards Pakistan," in Kissinger's words, and aided Pakistan--India's longstanding enemy--in its access to nuclear weaponry.

Is the US in any position to play "honest broker" in turbulent Iran, or indeed to meddle in any way, even with Obama nominally at the helm? The question answers itself.

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» RE: Is the US an honest broker? Posted by: login@bugmenot.com
Don't throw stones at glass houses...
Posted by: rjs on Jun 15, 2009 12:42 PM   
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"Iran's Stolen Election Has Sparked an Uprising -- What Should the U.S. Do?"

Answer: Look in the mirror. That is the answer. Get our own elections under control before throwing the stone at other countries.

We have had a few stolen or "appointed" electoral presidencies in the recent years. If we want to "set an example" for other countries to achieve, we must first do as we wish to see.

So far, the United States has done the opposite of what our country wants to see in regards to others, the answer is simple. Set an example. Our country is faltering in every way at setting an example that would show true leadership to other countries.

Change starts with true leadership, and we just don't have it.

If you cannot show true leadership and how to set the example, then the US should step aside and take care of their own until they get it right.

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Let's play war!
Posted by: witch9 on Jun 15, 2009 1:12 PM   
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doing nothing is obviously a first choice for people who comprehend and promote concepts like karma, taoism, self-determination, sovereignty, etcetera

of course if Iran attacks another country, the world community must make a decision, like whether to let those 2 guys punching each other on the other side of the bar fight it out, or stop them; short of that, no one has any right to interfere ~ how would Americans react to Russia deciding the Obama administration is no longer acceptable? with support from Cuba and Venezuela?

having grown up in Québec through the Quiet Revolution, the FLQ's terrorism campaign, and 1970's October Crisis ~ replete with APCs on the street, sandbagged guard stations around public buildings and constant gunship patrols overhead ~ I remember the CBS documentaries about the impending socialist/terrorist explosion building north of the 49th that was the biggest threat ever ('til then) to U.S. national security

remembering that fear mongering, as well as more recent current events (like staged battles for the cameras in Nam or WMDs), leaves me unable to believe the news and thus unable to grasp what might really be happening in Iran today

if you don't agree with karma and do believe intervention is unavoidable, there is a myriad of options:
- create another lethal quagmire with a shock-and-awe approach to effecting regime change in Iran
- just invade, like Grenada, and put a shah back in power
- surreptitiously fund and arm a revolution, à la Nicaragua
- infiltrate the country to engineer a Chilean style regime change

Cold War history has more than enough example to keep all the hawks happy

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do nothing... its not our concern!
Posted by: Bearzerker on Jun 15, 2009 1:23 PM   
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its like them interfering in our election of 2000 and 2004... would u have it?

didn't think so

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What Should the U.S. Do?
Posted by: jooljetkmae on Jun 15, 2009 1:27 PM   
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Send the 9/11 Truth movement over there to investigate.

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» RE: What Should the U.S. Do? Posted by: weathered
Gene Sharp's tool
Posted by: linwells on Jun 15, 2009 1:42 PM   
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Once again, Zunes proves he is a tool in Gene Sharp's pocket

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The Supreme Council May Have A Plan
Posted by: gradioc on Jun 15, 2009 3:00 PM   
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You don't get to be in Khamenei's position without understanding politics at a Machiavellian (that is to say the very highest) level. Right now Ahmadinejad is vastly unpopular with the young and educated in Iran. He is also dragging down the popularity of the theocratic model of government and is a pain in the ass of the mullahs with his mouth. So they let him steal the election in the most obvious ham-handed way (the announced results are a joke), then are shocked, shocked, to find that there are irregularities. The Council steps in, throws out the election, declares Mousavi the winner, and they're sitting pretty. In one fell swoop they divorce their fate from Ahmadinejad's, wrap themselves in Mousavi's banner, and save the nation just like wise patriarchs should. Remember, these are Persians. They were playing this game at the highest levels when the Celts were building Stonehenge and some Greeks sailed off towards Troy.

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Neocons are hostile toward Iran because Iran supports the Palestinians
Posted by: Garvagh on Jun 15, 2009 3:22 PM   
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If Iran gave no support to Hamas or Hezbollah, and ignored entirely Israeli oppression of the Palestinians, the neocons would not pay much attention to Iran. US cooperation with Iran, which is essential if reasonable stability is to be achieved in Afghanistan, is blocked by Israel and the neocons (with other Zionists helping the scheme).

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Alternet goes Mainstream net
Posted by: Zimbly on Jun 15, 2009 4:34 PM   
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Yet another sad article hoping that the folks that read Altenet are as gullible and stupid as those that watch Fox News. That we will "eventually" as Alternet tries to pry out of us a "mainstream reaction" like yeah...damn those ragheads, lets bomb em now.

Like I said on my previous post. If there are riots in the streets, its because there are some very powerful "Black Ops" going on right now, run by a Kermit Roosevelt type, just like in 1953.
The US agenda is very well outlined in the PNAC manifesto of 2000 and in Zbigniew Brezinski's book, The Grand Chessboard. Which lays out in plain view for all to see, the "engine" behind US foreign policy, which is absolute "control" over all the "Pipline-istans" and Iran of course.
The USA doesn't give a rats ass about democracy or human rights, if it did , it would have never overthrown the democratically elected government of Mohammed Mossadegh in 1953. The current political mess and backwardness of Iran is a direct consequence and fruit of the 1953 coup and the Shah's ruthless regime..of US interference.
So Alternet..maybe your expecting some readership amnesia...but we got your number..so please do us a favor, stop brandishing mainstream propanganda of what is supposed to be "Alternative" to mainstream "mind control " trash.

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Here we go again: The election was NOT stolen
Posted by: brianct on Jun 15, 2009 8:19 PM   
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Repeating a lie over and over will not make it true. Rubbing a turd will not make it shiny:

So why did Ahmadinejad win the election:

‘As Robert Fisk relates from someone not-regime-friendly in Tehran:
But I must repeat what he said. “The election figures are correct, Robert. Whatever you saw in Tehran, in the cities and in thousands of towns outside, they voted overwhelmingly for Ahmadinejad. Tabriz voted 80 per cent for Ahmadinejad. It was he who opened university courses there for the Azeri people to learn and win degrees in Azeri. In Mashad, the second city of Iran, there was a huge majority for Ahmadinejad after the imam of the great mosque attacked Rafsanjani of the Expediency Council who had started to ally himself with Mousavi. They knew what that meant: they had to vote for Ahmadinejad.”
My guest and I drank dookh, the cool Iranian drinking yoghurt so popular here. The streets of Tehran were a thousand miles away. “You know why so many poorer women voted for Ahmadinejad? There are three million of them who make carpets in their homes. They had no insurance. When Ahmadinejad realised this, he immediately brought in a law to give them full insurance. Ahmadinejad’s supporters were very shrewd. They got the people out in huge numbers to vote – and then presented this into their vote for Ahmadinejad.”‘

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Both/And
Posted by: liz-at-blackrose on Jun 16, 2009 5:10 AM   
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It's entirely possible -- and I think likely -- that the vote was rigged AND Ahmadinejad got enough support from older, conservative, and rural votes to win legitimately.

What I'm curious about is why no attempt to hide the fraud. It's as if, in a U.S. presidential election, instead of shifting votes by a couple points in Ohio or Florida, Bush claimed San Francisco favored him by 60%.

It would have been easy enough to release plausible numbers that still gave Ahmadinejad the victory. Makes you wonder if someone other than Ahmadinejad and his supporters is behind this...

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I SAY JOIN THE PROTESTORS
Posted by: lunamina on Jun 16, 2009 11:09 AM   
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IT IS TIME FOR AMERICANS TO PROTEST THE UN-DEMOCRATIC UNITED STATES. WE ARE NOT MUCH BETTER THAN IRAN BUT OUR PEOPLE ARE WIMPS COMPARED TO THESE PEOPLE!

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Wait and see
Posted by: bonapartist on Jun 17, 2009 8:24 AM   
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The current president of Iran may or may not have stolen the elections, he also may or may not have them rigged.

Whichever is the case I have little doubt that US ruling oligarchy is salivating at the mouth at the prospect that Iranian elections are a fraud.

The great game in Asia continues and I susepct that "heads I win, tail you lose" approach was used in this scenario. If Mousavi won it would be hailed as a big victory becasue obviously the big stick approach worked and bullied out the Iranian hardliners. If Ahmedinejad won then you can start a media harangue painting him as a dictator which leaves US with jsutification for any and all actions in the future.

At any rate the US and British medias that do most of the coverage are biased (WMDs anyone?) and it is pretty clear that both claimants have a large number of supporters.

Whatever is the case it is the internal matter of Iran and foreign interventions proved time and again to be the thinly veiled neo-colonial ventures that more often than not make the matters worse.

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