Has the Election Been Stolen in Iran?

Ever since 2000, at minimum, what room do we have to speak to stolen elections and/or disenfranchisement? We have none, certainly. Many thousands of African-Americans, at minimum, were shown to have lost their vote in Florida, and that's just the beginning. We all know how that one went. The people of power had to get both their own, handpicked State government representatives and then the Supreme Court, too, involved, to secure the election they wanted for themselves.

We ought to sit this election, in Iran, out. We're no better than any banana republic, to be sure.

Mo Rage
www.moravings.blogspot.com

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at something else, you've now got 3 fingers pointing back at you'

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turned out to be fraudulent. I have yet to see anything being done about that.

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Although Iran doesn't fit the following profile, imagine what we would immediately conclude were it the case that: Ahmadinejad was a son of a former Iranian president who, himself, was director of Iran's "intelligence community" and whose second son was a "political consul" of a prefectural region the vote count of which was allegedly dubious.
Why would we not draw such conclusions in the case of the US?

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1. We are so arrogant, we think nobody outside of US and Europe (White ?) is capable of representative democracy. In fact Iran's democracy is much more representative than ours.
2. Our democracy is owned and paid for by large corporations and their lobbies. Iran has some of that, but insignificant compared to ours.
3. Yes. Iranians are a deeply religious (like most Americans). But Iranians are lot more enlightened and politically savvy than our "Palinists" and "Hillarists" "Obama is Muzlem" crowds.
3. Both the Neo-cons on the right and feminists and Israel supporters on the left will never admit the Iran's elections are legitimate. They want to go to war with Iran, period.

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The media black out that was widely reported leading up to the election should have given the international community and the people of Iran an idea that this would happen. It just goes to show you how unpopular Ahmedinajhad is that they had to go to these lengths to keep him in office. Its disgusting but after seeing what Bush did I guess those theocrats saw how well it would work there.

It was so disturbing that before the election Ahmedinajad's military forces threatened to use violence if his election was contested. Its like they clearly knew. And so terrible that they made good on their threats against citizens and journalists alike.

Where is the UN? Shouldnt they be involved in some way?

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We seem to have a stolen election in Iran. See what happens when George W. Bush tries to teach the world about democracy?

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American/Israeli attacks on Ahmadinejad ensured that he was given a major boost in popularity, just as the pro-western parties in the 2005 Iraq election received only 10% of the vote as a result of backfiring American propaganda.

There is no history of corruption in the electoral commission, yet without the slightest evidence the mainstream western media are already suggesting the result was fraudulent. Unlike the US, Iran does not use electronic voting machines which can easily be manipulated.

Forget the 85% turnout. As with Hamas, if the wrong party is elected it must be treated with contempt. This is the neocon doctrine of democracy followed by a large part of the mainstream western media.

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Are Americans so myopically US-centric that they can't contemplate an electoral swindle in Iran without defaulting to the electoral swindles in 2000 and 2004 in the USA? Yes Bush was installed against the actual votes of the people. Is that supposed to be pretext for shrugging off the people of another country in their legitimate dispute with criminals who rule their country without consent? The issue isn't Bush. It isn't Israel. It is between the people of Iran and those who rob them of democracy. Shouldn't the Iranian people who votge4d for change be supported, wholeheartedly? Without being held accountable for what Bush did, or the Zionists do? Another fake election is looming in Burma. Will the Burmese people also be denied solidarity by American "progressives" because the US electoral system is fraudulent? Sorry Iranians. Sorry Burmese. Sorry Fijians. You're on your own. You should have done something about Bush and the Zionists.

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Between the warmongers 'Netan the Yahoo' and 'AhMe the Jihad' 'winning' these two past elections, you have to ask whether Cheney Inc had sent envoys out to 'help' in the election process.
Really if these two countries were to end this game of 'Sticks and Stones' what would happen to the Military Industrial Complex? What effect would it have on Halliburton, KBR and Blackwater's bottom line? shit they have all their resources in the region-salvating at the prosepects- would they have to kick up their satillite operations in S. America now? Now that wouldn't be very cost effective would it? That could take a huge bit out of the CEO's comp packages!
Why hasn't anyone bothered to ask WHO was on Cheney's Hit list? Isn't it interesting that had Bhouto not been assasinated she may have been able to get enough public support to squelch the Taliban insurgence?Then these fanatics have been granted free reign in the Swat Valley, only to create a situation 'requiring' more military intervention than before such a land grant? Set them up, knock them down and make hoards of cash in the process, Ah MIC?
'War is Hell' for those who actually fight it, but it's a gift that keeps giving if you are part of the MIC.
We alreaady know who lines 'Yahoos' pockets, but what about 'Ah Me'?

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I'm disappointed in a lot of the comments here--"don't point fingers" for example. Yes, we have had at least two stolen elections, and that should make us MORE eager to see the situation righted elsewhere, not incline us to sit quietly. Someone else says there was "not the slightest evidence" that the election s were stolen, at the end of an article that was nothing but evidence, quite convincing evidence in my opinion.
But, it should have answered the obvious questions: does Iran have exit polls? What mechanism do they use for voting--machines, paper ballots, etc? If there are paper ballots there should be a public recount.
I also want to point out how handy this is for the neocons. Just as Bush was a dream come true for the al Qaeda types, Ahmadinejad is too good to let go for the Zionists and neocons in the US--and they have not hesitated to twist things at home or abroad, to favor their interests in the past (including those two stolen elections). I wonder if there were any CIA agents helping out in Iran?

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In hopes that it will drown out their fraudulence.
Our job is to scream back.

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Ahmadinejad is to Iranian politics what George W. Bush is to the United States.

Jesus, Mohammad, Moses, makes no difference. Religious conservatives fear the ballot box unless the outcome's in their favor.

What is happening in Iran is blowback caused by the U.S.'s Cold War policy of backing religious fundamentalists as a bulwark against communism. It's clear that the U.S. should have cozied up to the commies.

At least communists are, or can be, reasonable, rational human beings, open to rational, reasonable dialogue. That is impossible with religious fundamentalists.

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Before we go ballistic over the election results let's remember two things . FIRST and MOST important the real ruler in Iran is the Grand Ayatollah Khamenie and HE has declared Atomic Weapons are NOT allowed based on the Koran . SECOND if the young people are disenfranchised it is entirely possible that THEY will REFUSE to accept the results and take to the streets in protest
A word of advice IF they do engage in protest demonstrations the WEST should SHUT the HELL UP
when commenting on them . While they may oppose Ahmadinejad they will not take kindly to Western criticism of their country and so such support could well be counterproductive .

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Hey welcome to the New World Order, eh?
And what can WE really say to them?
Oh, don't worry, we had that too, and had to "Get over it" with 8 years of Neocon insanity.
What can they really say?
Already we noticed the MSM wordsmithing around this: First the outrage that now it appears the "Supreme Ayatolla" had decided the election for Ahmadinejebad. ... my first reaction: "Yeah, YOUR "Supreme" Ayatolla and OUR "Supreme" Court! ".....the next report on this used the word "Grand" instead of "Supreme"...gee, ya think maybe they suddenly got worried people might actually remember some recent history and see the Irony!?

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Everybody whose IQ is above their body temp has
to know that both the 2000 and 2004 elections
were flat out stolen. What did we as an electorate do about it? Not one damn thing!!
We just went on about our business.Punched the
time clock, went to the office, maxed out the credit card and lusted after the neighbor's wife. The French have the right idea. They will take to the street on a moments notice. The demands of the people are usually met, or a compromise is reached.
One of two things will happen in Iran. 1. The students will take to the streets, and the Alliahtola will say enough is enough and call for new elections, or Iran will be ripped apart
by a civil war, that will make the U.S. civil
war look like a Sunday School Picnic.

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This result should keep the arms industry happy. It also will help the ratings of Fox news (newscorp) and keep the talking heads jabbering away.

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the outcome of this election. If it could happen in our so-called "representative democracy", it can sure happen in a closed, theocratic state like Iran. (Always works when you stir up the rural religious kooks, doesn't it? Makes any election close enough to STEAL, anywhere.) In addition, I don't doubt for one minute that some of the same SLUGS who perpetrated OUR travesties of 2000 and 2004 aren't somehow involved in this Iranian tragedy.(We've meddled shamelessly in their affairs before, so why should it be any different this time?) You can bet the hardliners in Tel Aviv are beside themselves with joy over this result. Now they can proceed unabated with their plans for a military attack (possibly nuclear)on Iran's atomic facilities. (Bring on Armageddon! Geebus is coming!)

In addition, our rightwing nut gasbags will now bloviate and pontificate endlessly on how Obama's overtures to the Muslim world have failed catastrophically. Their goal is to make our current President look like a weak, toothless appeaser just like they did Jimmy Carter. (All so they can get another Bush into the White House, hopefully by 2012.)

There are more subplots to the outcome of this Iranian election than we can probably imagine. No matter what some will say about "conspiracy theories", you can bet the MIC are STILL in charge, both here and around the world. The 'status quo" remains the same, as always. Ordinary people everywhere just don't count for shit.

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unless all the voters are in the same room. Any election involving millions of voters can be fixed. Maybe that was one reason for the electoral college. We were never intended to have a popular vote for president.

I propose that all county voter lists be published on the web and all ballots with names and address be published on the web in a spread sheet format. Then every person can write his own program, make his own talley, and check for dead neighbors voting.

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Florida-stan, Diebold-stan.
All of the above comments have stolen my thunder...
At least they accomplished this theft in an intellectually honest fashion.

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Maybe they can get their supreme court equivalent to tell them to 'Get over it'.

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US Media Campaign to Discredit Iranian Election

By Charting Stock

Was the Iranian election a fraud? That's what our great western media sources want us to believe. While scanning through the coverage, I could not find one mainstream news article which covered the election results in an objective, unbiased manner.
http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22827.htm

US Media Campaign to Discredit Iranian Election

By Charting Stock
See also:- Lights turned off on media after elections: The AFP news agency reported that Iran’s wireless telephone network was shut down at 5:30pm GMT (10:00pm in Tehran), just as incumbent president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was making a television appearance to congratulate himself on a "great victory".

See also:- Landslide or Fraud? The Debate Online Over Iran’s Election Results: We will bring you updates throughout the day and encourage Iranian readers to share their thoughts and experiences with us.

June 13, 2009 "Charting Stocks" -- -Was the Iranian election a fraud? That’s what our great western media sources want us to believe. While scanning through the coverage, I could not find one mainstream news article which covered the election results in an objective, unbiased manner. Either prominently displayed in the title or first paragraph, each of the articles suggest the election was a fraud. The obvious question arises - If their electoral system can’t be trusted, why were they watching the results so “closely” in the first place? I’d probably find better things to do then obsess over the results of a rigged game, but hey that’s just me.

It’s worth noting that Iran, unlike the US, does not use electronic voting machines which are easily tampered with. They actually have paper ballots. It’s also important to point out the health of their electoral process. They had an 85% turnout! We, “the champions of democracy” turnout only a fraction of that percentage for our presidential elections. In fact 2 out of 3 American citizens find something better to do during election day.

Reuters Iran’s election result staggers analysts

Hard-liner Mahmoud Ahmadinejad defeated moderate challenger Mirhossein Mousavi by a surprisingly wide margin in Iran’s presidential election, official results showed on Saturday. Mousavi derided the tally as a “dangerous charade.’

Fox News: U.S. Monitoring Iran’s Election Results

U.S. officials are casting doubt over the results of Iran’s election, in which the government declared President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad the winner Saturday…U.S. analysts find it “not credible [Notice the usual UN-NAMED "US Officials and Analysts]

MSNBC: Violence flares as Ahmadinejad wins Iran vote

Riot police battled with protesters Saturday as officials announced that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had won a landslide election victory. His opponent denounced the results as ‘treason’….Ahmadinejad had the apparent backing of the ruling theocracy.

CNN: Ahmadinejad wins landslide in disputed election

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has been declared the big winner in the country’s election, but his chief rival and supporters in the Tehran streets are crying foul.

NY Times: Ahmadinejad Is Declared Victor in Iran

The Iranian government declared an outright election victory for President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Saturday morning, and riot police officers fought with supporters of the opposition candidate, Mir Hussein Moussavi, who insisted that the election had been stolen.

Time Magazine: Protests Greet Ahmadinejad Win in Iran: ‘It’s Not Possible!
Iran’s Interior Minister announced Saturday that incumbent president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had won 63.29% of the vote....

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So, the Western 'observers' were not expecting etc etc? Who are the observers? What were they observing? From where were they observing? From the posh airconditioned Neo-Con/Zionist think tanks, study houses and disinformation spreading M$M! Have a heart! It seems Israel will now force the US to 'undo' the election results in Iran, just like they did in Algeria and Palestine when the Islamists won the elections in Algeria and Hamas in Palestine. For what? To make Israel "secure" on Israel's terms/understanding of "security" where Israel keeps shifting the goal post of Peace. During 1993 to 1996 when Bibi was Prime Minister, there was no Hamas. Why then did he not make Peace with the Palestinians? When the US removed an elected President, Mossadegh, and re-instated a tyrant Emperor, the Shah of Iran. There was no Khomeini, no Islamic Republic and no threat to Israel. How long are the Israelis and because of the Israelis the American governments, keep on expanding their empires? And, at what price? How many more Hamas' and Hizbollahs are to emerge before Israel and the US come to their senses.

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Might be time to revisit MCM's 12-step program for election reform (video):

1. Repeal the Help America Vote Act (HAVA).
2. Replace all electronic voting with hand-counted paper ballots (HCPB).
3. Get rid of computerized voter rolls.
4. Keep all private vendors out of the election process.
5. Make it illegal for the TV networks to declare who won before the vote-count is complete.
6. Set up an exit polling system, publicly supported, to keep the vote-counts honest.
7. Get rid of voter registration rules, by having every citizen be duly registered on his/her 18th birthday.
8. Ban all state requirements for state-issued ID's at the polls.
9. Put all polling places under video surveillance, to spot voter fraud, monitor election personnel, and track the turnout.
10. Have Election Day declared a federal holiday, requiring all employers to allow their workers time to vote.
11. Make it illegal for Secretaries of State to co-chair political campaigns (or otherwise assist or favor them).
12. Make election fraud a major felony, with life imprisonment--and disenfranchisement--for all repeat offenders.

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Iran Elections:
Roughly 40 Mio people voted of which approx. 25 Mio gave their voice to Dr. Mahmoud Ahmedinejad. Dr. Mussawi lost. Now he cries "foul" and insists that the elections were rigged. Ahmedinejad's offer to come forward with at least 1 (one!) evidence and to bring the case to the authorities to investigate properly has been ignored by the good Doctor. Instead, street riots errupt and one can only guess who is stirring that soup!

The Mass Media are full of the story and many cry in tune with Dr. Mussawi.

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Take the Lebanon elections to compare:
The "14th of March Group" with Seniora and Hariri (the pimp) won 71 seats and the opposition got 57 seats. Seniora, Hariri and their thugs paid every Lebanese living outside the country a) a round trip ticket; b) accommodation if needed and c) US$ 2,000 - as long as they voted for them. The Lebanese inside got their share of "convincing massage" with greenbacks and threats too.

The Mass Media is full of praises how this "democracy" works and the will of the people got respected and the christian-muslim alliance between Michel Aoun and Hassan Nasrallah lost. Nobody cries foul and the few ones who dare are ignored.

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Take the Egyptian elections (2005) to compare:
A list of "choices" (the oldest one being the 90 year old "Mr. Tarboush" who meantime passed away and voted for Hosni Mubarak!!!) - one of the candidates (Ayman Nour) arrested - and a turnout of voters of less than 4 percent!. Government figures put the turnout at 23 % ... Many of the ballot boxes were brought FULL to the voting centers and bus loads of government employees were driven from one center to the next and "motivated" to fill-in a number of ballots. They wanted to keep their jobs and meager income so they voted their heart out.

Hosni Mubarak was re-elected by approx. 3,2 % of the legitimate voters!!

The West praised the outcome and another dictator who is subserviant to the US and Israel is kept in place and the people and their will is further oppressed and ignored. Great!

Now - who doesn't understand what?????

With disgusted regards
B.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/

Robert Fisk: Iran erupts as voters back 'the Democrator'

A smash in the face, a kick in the balls – that's how police deal with protesters after Iran's poll kept the hardliners in power

Sunday, 14 June 2009.
Read Robert Fisk's article, the independent of London he was in Iran during the election and his reporting is accurate and backed by deep understanding and direct relation with the people and policy maker in the middle east.

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was asked to "approve the results immediately" instead of waiting the customary 3 days. Firstly, does anyone ask the Khamenei anything? He tells. He does not ask. That in itself is fishy.

You were supposed to get the message when the Khamenei jumped the gun and approved the results. If a fix was in there is no doubt he was behind it. Who in Iran has the ultimate power? Is it the church or the state? I shouldn't think you would be having trouble with that.

Ultimately the prime minister answers to the Imams. They do not answer to him. They do not want someone who will not take orders. What the ordinary voter wants is irrelevant.

It appears that the power of the church is declining. Normally they would just have the Imams include how to vote in the sermon that is included with prayers. This tactic may have been seen as failing.

If my suppositions should be true, Iran has a problem. Their problem lies with their theocrats. Ours lie with our plutocrats allying themselves with our theocrats.

In the United States the most powerful evangelical church asked its individual churches to direct their ministers to direct the parishioners to vote for John McCain. On the Monday between the Sunday of church and the Tuesday election I had a conversation with a disgruntled member of the church. I asked him what he did. He said he got up and walked out. I asked how many walked out with him? He said none. McCain promptly proceded to carry every single county in the state. Did this church carry the state for McCain? Yes.

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