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US Violated Geneva Conventions, Bush Iraq Commander Says
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The head of the US Central Command, General David Petraeus, said Friday that the US had violated the Geneva Conventions in a stunning admission from President Bush's onetime top general in Iraq that the US may have violated international law.
"When we have taken steps that have violated the Geneva Conventions we rightly have been criticized, so as we move forward I think it's important to again live our values, to live the agreements that we have made in the international justice arena and to practice those," Gen. Petraeus said on Fox News Friday afternoon.
Petraeus made the comment in the context of being asked about the Bush administration's so-called "enhanced interrogation techniques." The now-Central Command chief said he believed that banning the more extreme techniques had taken away "a tool" employed by "our enemies" as a moral argument against the United States.
Petraeus didn't say which parts of the Geneva Conventions he thought he and other administration officials had violated.
Asked about a "ticking time bomb" scenario -- which is often employed by torture's defenders -- Petraeus said that interrogation methods approved for use in the Army Field Manual were generally sufficient.
"There might be an exception and that would require extraordinary but very rapid approval to deal with but for the vast majority of the cases our experience… is that the techniques that are in the Army Field Manual that lays out how we treat detainees, how we interrogate them, those techniques work, that's our experience in this business," he said.
He also acknowledged that the US prison at Guantanamo Bay has inflamed anti-US hostility.
"I do support is what has been termed the responsible closure of Gitmo," Petraeus said. "Gitmo has caused us problems, there's no question about it. I oversee a region in which the existence of Gitmo has been used by the enemy against us. We have not been without missteps or mistakes in our activity since 9/11 and again Gitmo is a lingering reminder for the use of some in that regard."
"I don't think we should be afraid of our values we're fighting for," he added. "What we stand for and so indeed we need to embrace them and we need to ope rationalize them in how we carry out what it is we're doing on the battle field and everywhere else. So one has to have some faith I think in the legal system. One has to have a degree of confidence that individuals that have conducted such extremist activity would indeed be found guilty in our courts of law."
This video is from Fox's Live Desk, broadcast May 29, 2009.
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Posted by: Captainmagic on May 30, 2009 12:45 AM
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The Side step will now be used to give symbolic resonance to a justification that "HEY DON'T LOOK AT ME" and here it is folks.....
"I WAS ONLY FOLLOWING ORDERS"
Monty Python movie said it all in the search for the Holy Grail movie...
Sorry....Sorry.. wrong castle...sorry.
your not getting of the hook people...the world is working to hold them to account as we type...E.O.S
Captain OUT
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Posted by: DrBrian on May 30, 2009 1:42 AM
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Posted by: pfgetty on May 30, 2009 2:49 AM
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Let's face it, the American people would never have been convinced to invade Iraq had there been no 9/11. They knew it..........the Neocons wrote it in the PNAC papers.......they needed a New Pearl Harbor in order to expedite their remaking of the Middle East. And they brought it on. A phoney, nighmarish day, 9/11.
And then the attacks began on Moslem people, to the delight of most Americans.......get the bastards that got our WTC!
Well, we now know that it was our own government that was complicit in the attacks. There are literally hundreds of bits of evidence proving the official story is a fairytale. But Americans will not believe any of it because the press avoids and ignores the truth, Alternet included.
Those of us who do know the truth must confront the media to pressure and embarrass venues like Alternet, some of which are supported by global foundations based on international corporate and banking empires which have benefitted from 9/11, as well as pro Israel organization that worry about the links of 9/11 attacks with the Mossad.
But truth is truth.....and it will end the horror that 9/11 has brought us..........the wars and occupations, torture, rendition, the Patriot Act, and more.
Alternet, please care more about the truth than you funding. The world and the future are far more important than that next big fat check.
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Posted by: Pop on May 30, 2009 3:37 AM
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Posted by: Purple Girl on May 30, 2009 7:21 AM
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99% of Rendition, torture and probably Assasination were not committed against American Citizens (at least what we know at this point), thus it is not the sole judicial property of the USA.
In fact what compounds this fact is that EVERY facet of our Gov't has been compromised- Exec Branch, Congress, SCOTUS, Military, Media....
So objectivity is impossible since so many are complicite if not culpable.
However what we are able to prosecute are the Domestic Crimes of Treason and abuse of power which facilitiated these international crimes. Cheney and his minions not only undermined the Office of the Presidency, lied to Congress,confederated at least one Justice on SCOTUS, decieved the military,and propagandized the media they illegally seized powers over them.
give the Internationals domain ove rth eWar Crimes (and crimes agaisnt humanity) We have plenty to convict these traitors on.In fact Walk this entire prosecutorial fiasco backwards. hand over the evidence and the criminals to the Internationals first- once indicted on these War crimes, we have the opportuntiy to prosecute them as Enemies of the State for the acts they committed against US in perpetrating the international crimes. Can't call it a political Witch Hunt if the Internationals get the ball rolling.
Cheney is Praying We prosecute him first. That will afford him the 'Innocent until proven guilty', the 'shadow of a Doubt', the debate over 'Cruel & unusal',thus the luxury accomodations if convicted.He nor his cronies deserve such considerations.
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Posted by: QQOblivion on May 30, 2009 8:40 AM
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Everyone knows this (except probably Dick Cheney -- either Cheney always knowingly lies or he is Opposite-Man).
But, no matter what, Obama will NOT allow prosecutions of those who have committed war-crimes. So, what is to be gained by General Pet's admission? Nothing at all.
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Posted by: bryangalt on May 30, 2009 9:14 AM
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The fact that Petreus has come out with these admission statements just makes the matter even more pressing, because the rest of the treaty organization countries may not feel it's in the best interest of World Justice to allow Bushco off the hook.
Every signer to the Geneva Convention and a couple of more treaties governing the conduct of war is REQUIRED to prosecute the leadership of ANY COUNTRY who is found to be guilty of violation of the war crimes treaties. I was not able to find an exemption for the US President within it's text.
What will Mr. Obama do when the warrants are handed out via the Hague demanding that Bush and his cronies are handed over for their "fair hearing and a fine hanging"? Will he too snub them too, denying the entire world the only justice that may be seen in this matter?
Well, if we don't act, we are forcing someone else to do so. If that happens, then we are going to further weaken our standing in the world, and if we refuse to cooperate, our reputation as people that believe in justice will be damaged for decades (if not permanently) to come.
Can someone tell Mr. Obama that the couple of dozen people he is protecting are not worth that high of a cost please! It would be nice if PATRIOTS Bush and Cheney turned themselves in, but we know that they really aren't good American's are they.
They are the kind of people that think they are superior to us, and so far the god-damned President is making them feel ever more so...
TO ALL GC TREATY SIGNERS: PROSECUTE BUSH AND CO. CONSIDER AIDING AND ABETTING CHARGES ON OBAMA.
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Posted by: wmholt on May 30, 2009 1:46 PM
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Undoubtedly, his job, his pension, and his chance of being a Presidential hopeful were more important than telling the truth when it would have made a difference.
I like my generals to have some guts. Seen anyone like that lately?
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Posted by: peterjkraus on May 30, 2009 1:52 PM
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So give it up for MoveOn: they were spot on.
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Posted by: willymack on May 30, 2009 4:51 PM
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Posted by: Quannah on May 30, 2009 8:22 PM
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This is not something we can sweep under the rug and forget. These are REAL PEOPLE who have suffered horrendously at the hands of sadists at the very top of our government, and they MUST be held accountable for these crimes.
Every one of us needs to watch this documentary and see what has been done IN OUR NAME.
Any suggestions as to what we, collectively, can do is welcome. I'm numb after watching this. I don't know what can be done. But something HAS GOT TO BE DONE.
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Posted by: weslen1 on May 31, 2009 9:48 AM
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That's what it's going to take to clean up the corruption in our own government, take out the trash. Because the people are never going to do it with elections. Each district thinks there's "Nothing wrong HERE!" with their own members of Congress and the same corrupt people keep right on keeping their, HATED GOVERNMENT JOBS, right up til the bitter end. And even if a few of them DO lose their JOB, they continue to be paid by the rest of us, in retirement, an extremely high compensation, for the rest of their corrupt LIVES, even if they are Billionaires, even if they are in PRISON, and even if they were on the job for ONE DAY or a few months like BURRIS. BURRIS LIED TO CONGRESS! Straight UP, a FEDERAL CRIME, and he's STILL in there pitching HIS CORRUPTION and there's NOTHING we can do about it. And when, and if, they finally get him out we will still be paying him for the rest of his life and paying his children and grandchildren a huge insurance check when he's gone, all on our dime, even as we struggle to keep a roof over OUR OWN HEADS.
So unless the INTERNATIONAL courts take over the job our own "elected" officials are unwilling to do we are doomed to live the rest of OUR lives in a warrior nation with no boundaries.
Unfortunately, when the international community begins to take up these crimes against humanity, these WAR crimes, WE will BREAK another TREATY and REFUSE TO ALLOW OUR WAR CRIMINALS TO BE EXTRADITED FOR TRIAL. I have no doubt about that.
As far as Obama? He's still operating under the delusion that he may some time down the line actually get a few Republican votes if he lets their buds off the hook and is willing to throw the Constitution and the American People under the bus for that slim "HOPE" no matter WHAT THE COST.
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Posted by: maxpayne on May 31, 2009 8:16 PM
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Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Jun 1, 2009 12:01 AM
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If he will tell the ENTIRE truth to an investigative committee, if one ever somehow happens, that would go a LONG way toward paying some of his own debt.
Ian
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Posted by: Captainmagic on May 30, 2009 12:45 AM
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The Side step will now be used to give symbolic resonance to a justification that "HEY DON'T LOOK AT ME" and here it is folks.....
"I WAS ONLY FOLLOWING ORDERS"
Monty Python movie said it all in the search for the Holy Grail movie...
Sorry....Sorry.. wrong castle...sorry.
your not getting of the hook people...the world is working to hold them to account as we type...E.O.S
Captain OUT
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» RE: Side Steps ...good one Capt.
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Posted by: DrBrian on May 30, 2009 1:42 AM
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Posted by: pfgetty on May 30, 2009 2:49 AM
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Let's face it, the American people would never have been convinced to invade Iraq had there been no 9/11. They knew it..........the Neocons wrote it in the PNAC papers.......they needed a New Pearl Harbor in order to expedite their remaking of the Middle East. And they brought it on. A phoney, nighmarish day, 9/11.
And then the attacks began on Moslem people, to the delight of most Americans.......get the bastards that got our WTC!
Well, we now know that it was our own government that was complicit in the attacks. There are literally hundreds of bits of evidence proving the official story is a fairytale. But Americans will not believe any of it because the press avoids and ignores the truth, Alternet included.
Those of us who do know the truth must confront the media to pressure and embarrass venues like Alternet, some of which are supported by global foundations based on international corporate and banking empires which have benefitted from 9/11, as well as pro Israel organization that worry about the links of 9/11 attacks with the Mossad.
But truth is truth.....and it will end the horror that 9/11 has brought us..........the wars and occupations, torture, rendition, the Patriot Act, and more.
Alternet, please care more about the truth than you funding. The world and the future are far more important than that next big fat check.
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Posted by: Pop on May 30, 2009 3:37 AM
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» Dov the Israeli bookeeper
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Posted by: Purple Girl on May 30, 2009 7:21 AM
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99% of Rendition, torture and probably Assasination were not committed against American Citizens (at least what we know at this point), thus it is not the sole judicial property of the USA.
In fact what compounds this fact is that EVERY facet of our Gov't has been compromised- Exec Branch, Congress, SCOTUS, Military, Media....
So objectivity is impossible since so many are complicite if not culpable.
However what we are able to prosecute are the Domestic Crimes of Treason and abuse of power which facilitiated these international crimes. Cheney and his minions not only undermined the Office of the Presidency, lied to Congress,confederated at least one Justice on SCOTUS, decieved the military,and propagandized the media they illegally seized powers over them.
give the Internationals domain ove rth eWar Crimes (and crimes agaisnt humanity) We have plenty to convict these traitors on.In fact Walk this entire prosecutorial fiasco backwards. hand over the evidence and the criminals to the Internationals first- once indicted on these War crimes, we have the opportuntiy to prosecute them as Enemies of the State for the acts they committed against US in perpetrating the international crimes. Can't call it a political Witch Hunt if the Internationals get the ball rolling.
Cheney is Praying We prosecute him first. That will afford him the 'Innocent until proven guilty', the 'shadow of a Doubt', the debate over 'Cruel & unusal',thus the luxury accomodations if convicted.He nor his cronies deserve such considerations.
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Posted by: QQOblivion on May 30, 2009 8:40 AM
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Everyone knows this (except probably Dick Cheney -- either Cheney always knowingly lies or he is Opposite-Man).
But, no matter what, Obama will NOT allow prosecutions of those who have committed war-crimes. So, what is to be gained by General Pet's admission? Nothing at all.
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Posted by: bryangalt on May 30, 2009 9:14 AM
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The fact that Petreus has come out with these admission statements just makes the matter even more pressing, because the rest of the treaty organization countries may not feel it's in the best interest of World Justice to allow Bushco off the hook.
Every signer to the Geneva Convention and a couple of more treaties governing the conduct of war is REQUIRED to prosecute the leadership of ANY COUNTRY who is found to be guilty of violation of the war crimes treaties. I was not able to find an exemption for the US President within it's text.
What will Mr. Obama do when the warrants are handed out via the Hague demanding that Bush and his cronies are handed over for their "fair hearing and a fine hanging"? Will he too snub them too, denying the entire world the only justice that may be seen in this matter?
Well, if we don't act, we are forcing someone else to do so. If that happens, then we are going to further weaken our standing in the world, and if we refuse to cooperate, our reputation as people that believe in justice will be damaged for decades (if not permanently) to come.
Can someone tell Mr. Obama that the couple of dozen people he is protecting are not worth that high of a cost please! It would be nice if PATRIOTS Bush and Cheney turned themselves in, but we know that they really aren't good American's are they.
They are the kind of people that think they are superior to us, and so far the god-damned President is making them feel ever more so...
TO ALL GC TREATY SIGNERS: PROSECUTE BUSH AND CO. CONSIDER AIDING AND ABETTING CHARGES ON OBAMA.
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Posted by: wmholt on May 30, 2009 1:46 PM
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Undoubtedly, his job, his pension, and his chance of being a Presidential hopeful were more important than telling the truth when it would have made a difference.
I like my generals to have some guts. Seen anyone like that lately?
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» RE: I May Have Missed It...yes
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Posted by: peterjkraus on May 30, 2009 1:52 PM
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So give it up for MoveOn: they were spot on.
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Posted by: willymack on May 30, 2009 4:51 PM
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Posted by: Quannah on May 30, 2009 8:22 PM
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This is not something we can sweep under the rug and forget. These are REAL PEOPLE who have suffered horrendously at the hands of sadists at the very top of our government, and they MUST be held accountable for these crimes.
Every one of us needs to watch this documentary and see what has been done IN OUR NAME.
Any suggestions as to what we, collectively, can do is welcome. I'm numb after watching this. I don't know what can be done. But something HAS GOT TO BE DONE.
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Posted by: weslen1 on May 31, 2009 9:48 AM
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That's what it's going to take to clean up the corruption in our own government, take out the trash. Because the people are never going to do it with elections. Each district thinks there's "Nothing wrong HERE!" with their own members of Congress and the same corrupt people keep right on keeping their, HATED GOVERNMENT JOBS, right up til the bitter end. And even if a few of them DO lose their JOB, they continue to be paid by the rest of us, in retirement, an extremely high compensation, for the rest of their corrupt LIVES, even if they are Billionaires, even if they are in PRISON, and even if they were on the job for ONE DAY or a few months like BURRIS. BURRIS LIED TO CONGRESS! Straight UP, a FEDERAL CRIME, and he's STILL in there pitching HIS CORRUPTION and there's NOTHING we can do about it. And when, and if, they finally get him out we will still be paying him for the rest of his life and paying his children and grandchildren a huge insurance check when he's gone, all on our dime, even as we struggle to keep a roof over OUR OWN HEADS.
So unless the INTERNATIONAL courts take over the job our own "elected" officials are unwilling to do we are doomed to live the rest of OUR lives in a warrior nation with no boundaries.
Unfortunately, when the international community begins to take up these crimes against humanity, these WAR crimes, WE will BREAK another TREATY and REFUSE TO ALLOW OUR WAR CRIMINALS TO BE EXTRADITED FOR TRIAL. I have no doubt about that.
As far as Obama? He's still operating under the delusion that he may some time down the line actually get a few Republican votes if he lets their buds off the hook and is willing to throw the Constitution and the American People under the bus for that slim "HOPE" no matter WHAT THE COST.
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Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Jun 1, 2009 12:01 AM
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If he will tell the ENTIRE truth to an investigative committee, if one ever somehow happens, that would go a LONG way toward paying some of his own debt.
Ian
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