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Pipeline-Istan: Everything You Need to Know About Oil, Gas, Russia, China, Iran, Afghanistan and Obama

By Pepe Escobar, Tomdispatch.com. Posted May 13, 2009.


Nothing of significance takes place in Eurasia without an energy angle.
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Imperceptible jiggles in Pipelineistan's tectonic plates can shake half the world. Take, for example, an obscure March report in the Balochistan Times: a little noticed pipeline supplying gas to parts of Sindh province in Pakistan, including Karachi, was blown up. It got next to no media attention, but all across Eurasia and in Washington, those analyzing the comparative advantages of TAPI vs. IPI had to wonder just how risky it might be for India to buy future Iranian gas via increasingly volatile Balochistan.

And then in early April came another mysterious pipeline explosion, this one in Turkmenistan, compromising exports to Russia. The Turkmenis promptly blamed the Russians (and TAPI advocates cheered), but nothing in Afghanistan itself could have left them cheering very loudly. Right now, Dick Cheney's master plan to get those blue rivers of Turkmeni gas flowing southwards via a future TAPI as part of a U.S. grand strategy for a "Greater Central Asia" lies in tatters.

Still, Zbig Brzezinski might disagree, and as he commands Obama's attention, he may try to convince the new president that the world needs a $7.6-plus billion, 1,600-km steel serpent winding through a horribly dangerous war zone. That's certainly the gist of what Brzezinski said immediately after the 2008 Russia-Georgia war, stressing once again that "the construction of a pipeline from Central Asia via Afghanistan to the south... will maximally expand world society's access to the Central Asian energy market."

Washington or Beijing?

Still, give credit where it's due. For the time being, our man Gurbanguly may have snatched the leading role in the New Great Game in this part of Eurasia. He's already signed a groundbreaking gas agreement with RWE from Germany and sent the Russians scrambling.

If, one of these days, the Turkmenistani leader opts for TAPI as well, it will open Washington to an ultimate historical irony. After so much death and destruction, Washington would undoubtedly have to sit down once again with -- yes -- the Taliban! And we'd be back to July 2001 and those pesky pipeline transit fees.

As it stands at the moment, however, Russia still dominates Pipelineistan, ensuring Central Asian gas flows across Russia's network and not through the Trans-Caspian networks privileged by the U.S. and the European Union. This virtually guarantees Russia's crucial geopolitical status as the top gas supplier to Europe and a crucial supplier to Asia as well.

Meanwhile, in "transit corridor" Pakistan, where Predator drones soaring over Pashtun tribal villages monopolize the headlines, the shady New Great Game slouches in under-the-radar mode toward the immense, under-populated southern Pakistani province of Balochistan. The future of the epic IPI vs. TAPI battle may hinge on a single, magic word: Gwadar.

Essentially a fishing village, Gwadar is an Arabian Sea port in that province. The port was built by China. In Washington's dream scenario, Gwadar becomes the new Dubai of South Asia. This implies the success of TAPI. For its part, China badly needs Gwadar as a node for yet another long pipeline to be built to western China. And where would the gas flowing in that line come from? Iran, of course.

Whoever "wins," if Gwadar really becomes part of the Liquid War, Pakistan will finally become a key transit corridor for either Iranian gas from the monster South Pars field heading for China, or a great deal of the Caspian gas from Turkmenistan heading Europe-wards. To make the scenario even more locally mouth-watering, Pakistan would then be a pivotal place for both NATO and the SCO (in which it is already an official "observer").

Now that's as classic as the New Great Game in Eurasia can get. There's NATO vs. the SCO. With either IPI or TAPI, Turkmenistan wins. With either IPI or TAPI, Russia loses. With either IPI or TAPI, Pakistan wins. With TAPI, Iran loses. With IPI, Afghanistan loses. In the end, however, as in any game of high stakes Pipelineistan poker, it all comes down to the top two global players. Ladies and gentlemen, place your bets: will the winner be Washington or Beijing?

Copyright 2009 Pepe Escobar


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Being Politically Correct
Posted by: DrBrian on May 13, 2009 12:55 AM   
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It makes us sound crass and greedy when we talk about wars for oil and gas, so national security and divine commands, the two irrefutable, unassailable and politically expedient rationales are invoked to justify the rivers of blood, mountains of cash and oceans of tears expended to keep SUVs, McMansions and Wall Street going.

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» RE: Being Politically Correct Posted by: richholland
» RE: Being Politically Correct Posted by: Basenjis
» I Agree...This is exactly the plan Posted by: chance garden
» You're wrong richholland Posted by: Bliss Doubt
Wrong Question ...
Posted by: mmckinl on May 13, 2009 2:22 AM   
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Will the winner be Washington or Beijing? is the wrong question ...

The question is: Will NATO or the SCO be the winner ....?

This doesn't change the importance of Afghanistan but we are seeing a seismic shift of power from west to east and the east holds the high cards ... Russia is the lynchpin ... and the way we have been treating Russia we should be very afraid ... radar in Checkoslovakia, missles in Poland, expansion of NATO despite promises, the colored revolutions ...

And Russia has a dilemma as well. They have always had a Eurocentric outlook and transferring power to China could backfire. China could force them out of the equation eventually ... So for now Europe needs Russia and Russia needs Europe but Russia will use China to keep the US off balance ... In the not so long run China will be the world's biggest energy market ... and that's where the money will be made ... India will be a wild card, that will not stand with the US but is worried about their own supplies ... a little Nuclear agreement won't keep them still for long ...

This whole quandry was in large part caused by Bush's strong arm tactics against Russia, Iran and Central Asia, but the Neocons, AIPAC and Israel must have their enemies ... at great cost to our foreign policy and security no less.

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If anyone is still wondering why the U.S. invaded Afghanistan,
Posted by: LeftWright on May 13, 2009 2:55 AM   
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then you need to re-read this article (easily the best thing I've ever read on Alternet).

Add to this the fact that the Clinton Administration encouraged the Sudanese to evict Osama bin Laden and then allowed him to go to Afghanistan in May of 1996 and you will begin to see one big piece of the 9/11 operation's patsy puzzle put in place.

May 18, 1996: Sudan Expels Bin Laden; US Fails to Stop His Flight to Afghanistan

After pressure from the US (see March-May 1996), the Sudanese government asks bin Laden to leave the country. He decides to go to Afghanistan. He departs along with many other al-Qaeda members, plus much money and resources. Bin Laden flies to Afghanistan in a C-130 transport plane with an entourage of about 150 men, women, and children, stopping in Doha, Qatar, to refuel, where governmental officials greet him warmly. [Los Angeles Times, 9/1/2002; Coll, 2004, pp. 325] The US knows in advance that bin Laden is going to Afghanistan, but does nothing to stop him. Sudan’s defense minister Elfatih Erwa later says in an interview, “We warned [the US]. In Sudan, bin Laden and his money were under our control. But we knew that if he went to Afghanistan no one could control him. The US didn’t care; they just didn’t want him in Somalia. It’s crazy.” [Washington Post, 10/3/2001; Village Voice, 10/31/2001] US-al-Qaeda double agent Ali Mohamed handles security during the move. [Raleigh News and Observer, 10/21/2001]


http://www.historycommons.org

Add to this the fact that the Bush and bin Laden families have been doing business together for decades and the picture starts to become even more clear. George H.W. Bush met with Osama bin Laden's brother Shafig the day before 9/11 at a Carlyle Group Conference at the Ritz Carlton hotel in Washington, DC.

If you analyze the government's story closely, you will find that not one element of their conspiracy theory is credibly supported by the facts.

We need a new investigation into the events of 9/11/01.

Physics, facts and logic prove that the government's conspiracy theory of 9/11 cannot be true.

The truth shall set us free.  Love is the only way forward.

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» There is No STORY Posted by: EncinoM
» Fascinating! Posted by: realtruther
» RE: Fascinating! Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Fascinating! Posted by: realtruther
» You just don't get it, do you? Posted by: GuitarBill
» no, YOU don't seem to get it. Posted by: realtruther
» Speaking of comic relief. Posted by: GuitarBill
» HISTORY IS BUNK. LOVE IS BS Posted by: chance garden
» What do you mean by that? Posted by: pfgetty
» Just what I said, PFGetty. Posted by: GuitarBill
Pepe Escobar, how could you possibly avoid mentioning the lies of 9/11 in this story?
Posted by: pfgetty on May 13, 2009 3:06 AM   
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The whole rationale for the Global War On Terror has been what happened on 9/11. How could you not mention the the PNAC, the Project for a New American Century? This was the document, signed by the Neocons, that spelled out the agenda and plan for America, which included "remaking" the Middle East, and accelerating the process by bringing on a "New Pearl Harbor" that would help bring acceptance by the American people to the plan?

And that was why our government leaders became complicit in 9/11. The official story is a fairytale, and it is obvious to anyone who looks into the facts and evidence of the day that 9/11 was an inside job.

You are a journalist, and should be curious and follow contradictions and inconsistencies. How could you miss that?
Is it forbidden to do so? Are you pressured or threatened? Or do you just simply know that approaching this subject would be bad for your career?

If you really don't know anything about the overwhelming evidence that the official story of 9/11 is a lie, here are some links:

www.911truth.org
www.ae911truth.org
www.visibility911.com
www.stj911.com

These will get you started. But there is so much, and I feel that it is unlikely you know nothing about this.
Please reconsider and begin to present to the American people the truth of 9/11.

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» No, I DID 911--you fool. Posted by: GuitarBill
» More straw man arguments, @$$? Posted by: GuitarBill
» "Logic"? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Did they really shrink your head? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Exactly. Posted by: realtruther
» Realtruther Posted by: GuitarBill
» Go away truther scum. Posted by: GuitarBill
» we're ALL in it together Prophit! Posted by: realtruther
» %^) Posted by: GuitarBill
IT WAS FRAUD, FROM DAY ONE. AMERICAN'S KILLED FOR CASH AND CONTROL
Posted by: LTBROWN on May 13, 2009 4:57 AM   
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Of course it was a fraud. That's why I'm pissed off, each time I hear someone say, "Bush/Cheney kept us safe SINCE 2001!" and for Cheney to claim, "We didn't know about Al-Queda prior to 9-11. Torture helped us to learn about Al-queda." B->S!!!
I'll go one step farther to say that the 9-11 attack was contribed and possibly and partially, [if not totally], HOMEGROWN. Just like the Antrax. To make [and keep] us afraid long enough to get that "Bush doctrine" kicked off and ignore the constitution, in the meantime.

And who didn't know that every war or conflict, we get involved in is about money, in some form? Who didn't know that? Thing is, when is one of these large member forums like Alternet, Huff post, or Politico, going to go on record with what everyday Americans like us are saying and proposing? Why not run a poll on every thing, ourselves?
It's so obvious how our lives are expendible and lying to us is effortless and often times, demanded.
When are we going to stand up? Really stand up? Obama would do our bidding if we stay loud and emphatic about what we want. Politicians care about keeping their seat. Nothing more or nothing less. We want get "Of, by and for the people" until the people start going to DC in droves, and by shifts, daily. Let them know we're sick and tired, of being sick and tired.

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Iraq and Afghanistan Wars
Posted by: US Citizen on May 13, 2009 5:24 AM   
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I think the powers-that-be decided at this point that Barack Obama would be a much more effective salesman for continuing the Iraq and Afghanistan wars than any Republican besides George W. Bush could be.

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» RE: Iraq and Afghanistan Wars Posted by: VZEQICVA
When will people say "no more"
Posted by: 911FalseFlag on May 13, 2009 5:26 AM   
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Why do people always assume that there will always be wars to control natural resources? There seems to be enough oil and gas reserves for everyone in the world.
Isn't it obvious that 9/11 was an inside job. This author seems to think that it was just serendipitous that 9/11 occurred after George Bush told the Taliban that he would attack Afghanistan and the actual invasion.
Go to www.911insidejob.net for many videos and articles

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Clean Renewable Energy will finally end this Crime Against Humanity
Posted by: Purple Girl on May 13, 2009 6:17 AM   
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Innovations to free US from these energy sources have been derailed and shelved for decades.It's time we prosecute for that Treason leading to War crimes and ultimately Crimes agaisnt humanity.
What has destroyed The American Free market,killed american ingenuity,innovation and competition...The Corps.
They have sacrificed our country (and many Others in the process) to build and retain their profit margins.Blood for Oil is a Crime against Humanity when your corp has assured it is the main energy source required to generate power,when other sources could have been used.
No where in our founding doctrines related to free market does it exclude the Peoples Right to compete in the open market as a collective. Why are we still allowing these private Corps access to OUR natural resources? Allowing them to Poach on our lands? We will never be energy independent until we seize back what is rightful OURS. Let them use their own lands and resources to Compete with US. Let US move forward with zeal on Renewable clean energy making their sources obsolete and far too costly in price and drawbacks.
healthcare Reform is important as a major domestic issue- but energy Reform is Monumental on a global and humanitarian level.
But conversion over will take time, so reliance on some of these sources is necessary for the time being, but we must have an exist stratedgy which will ultimatley regain our True Independence. It makes no difference if it is an Emblem, a Family Crest or a Logo, if we are beholden to that entity for our Survival and prosperity.
It is time we begin our Revolution Against the Oil Royals and their Corp Nobles.As those who have come before have done- we need to buckle up and be prepared for a bumpy ride, but we will be victorious in the end. 'Turn down your thermostats', 'put on a sweater..." Advise given to US 30 yrs ago by Jimmy Carter.

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Makes sense
Posted by: GoKanuks on May 13, 2009 6:26 AM   
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Seems perfectly logical when you think about it, does it not?

RT
Privacy Center

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» Look, it's Mr. Piracy Center. Posted by: GuitarBill
Time to put Obama on trial for this ! Besides, this would make great tv watching and plenty to laugh
Posted by: FLYING DOOFUS on May 13, 2009 6:53 AM   
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at him about as he tries to defend himself. I wanna enjoy my dinner while watching him face impeachment. After impeaching him, time to remove him and replace him with a president who'll give us more food and more tax cuts and cut wasteful war spending.

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villager
Posted by: villager1 on May 13, 2009 6:54 AM   
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Thanks for enlightening me Pepe - really informative - and all along I believed that it was all about emancipation and saving those poor lost gals in Afghanistan - what kind of fool am I?

Obviously stupid enough to put faith in the shmucks who run this planet!

Time for a change methinks! No wonder people hate one another!

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It is called the Liquid War....
Posted by: mrcentrist on May 13, 2009 7:01 AM   
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.... because all of the players are drunk with power. The United States, China, and Russia are all drunk.

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villager
Posted by: villager1 on May 13, 2009 7:04 AM   
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What are we to do when the well runs dry - run away and hide!

When the oil and gold and platinum and diamonds are all gone what are we gonna do man?

Will there still be the gambling on Wall Street? The glitz and glamour of life or what will really happen then?

Someone please tell me -dying to know!

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» RE: villager Posted by: Basenjis
OK I am waiting for Sir William Guitarius
Posted by: Zimbly on May 13, 2009 7:24 AM   
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Bill, Bill , Bill..... more articles and comments pointing to 911.....and ..are you asleep at the wheel or just gone out for a cappucino?

Let the Blog wars begin!!!

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» Go away, truther scum. Posted by: GuitarBill
Acronyms, please
Posted by: soulrebeljc on May 13, 2009 8:33 AM   
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Can we please stop referring to initialisms as acronyms? OCO and GWOT are not acronyms.

Some people might argue that "popular usage" has taken over and redefined the word "acronym". However, I'm with George Carlin on this one..."fuck popular usage."

I don't have a credit for the following, unfortunately, but it's something I have to forward frequently:

Abbreviations that use the first letter of each word in a phrase are sometimes referred to as initialisms. Initialisms can be but are not always acronyms. AT&T, BT, CBS, CNN, IBM, and NBC are initialisms that are not acronyms. Many acronym lists you'll see are really lists of acronyms and initialisms or just lists of abbreviations. (Note that abbreviations include shortened words like "esp." for "especially" as well as shortened phrases.)

Summing up:
 An abbreviation is a shortening of a word or a phrase.

 An acronym is an abbreviation that forms a word.

 An initialism is an abbreviation that uses the first letter of each word in the phrase (thus, some but not all initialisms are acronyms).

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» Earth is full. Go home. Posted by: GuitarBill
No need to worry ...
Posted by: monkeywrench on May 13, 2009 8:38 AM   
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... about where CO2 levels are going to go. Up. Way up. With this kind of multinational high-stakes poker surrounding vast reserves of CO2-producing natural gas and oil, we can stop worrying about whether we can curb global warming. The answer appears to be "no," and much of the "green talk," especially by newly "enlightened" energy companies, is little more than public-mollifying B.S.

Oh, we'll possibly ameliorate to a degree the catastrophic rise of global temperatures through companies that actually care about our Earth, IF they can get past the old-energy behemoths; but we can forget about typical energy companies, or governments, seeing the light – that would be bad for the energy business, which, by what still exists under the ground in the 'stans, shows no signs of letting up.

Yep, it's going to be "a hot time in the old world" before we exhaust liquid- and gaseous-dinosaur energy reserves and Mother Nature finally takes out her revenge on us – if we don't do ourselves in first.

I hate to be so cynical (I used to subscribe to "2001 A Space Odyssey" optimism); but I don't know how else to react to just how entrenched, how locked in, standard, wasteful, Earth-destroying, greed-based capitalistic business really is. Greedy manipulation is a major flaw in the human genome, and I'm afraid that it will eventualy lead to our demise.

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Oil's well that ends well
Posted by: willymack on May 13, 2009 8:53 AM   
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What a frightful and grotesque pickle we've gotten ourselves into over petroleum! There is no better example of the deadly combination of pathological greed, obsolete thinking, and, desolate cluelessness on the part of most people in the world than the worship of that malodorous, sticky gunk that we're slowly but surely destroying Planet Earth over. For WHAT? So we can drive our Belchfire Behemoths a few more years before it's all gone? Insanity on a grand scale.

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» RE: Oil's well that ends well Posted by: Basenjis
» RE: Oil's well that ends well Posted by: chance garden
» It's not so that we can drive... Posted by: realtruther
Doubt it.
Posted by: Sara Lamadrid on May 13, 2009 9:56 AM   
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and it's almost beside the point -- he has just glommed on to a talking points strategy that makes use of people's understandable fear of the antisemite label. It's nothing more than disingenuous troll rhetoric.

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» Misplaced, sorry. Posted by: Sara Lamadrid
» Genius, aren't you? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Right, "prophit". Posted by: GuitarBill
O come Green Man, come leaf and flower, let us forget forever
Posted by: Bliss Doubt on May 13, 2009 11:22 AM   
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combustion power.

Let our imaginations run wild, to new ways to travel, new ways to cook and to warm and cool ourselves, new ways to build, better ways to live. Let green belts wrap around and overgrow the concrete and the asphalt, and cool shady trees screen out the polluted sky.

Maybe then we'll have peace.

Or not.

I really wouldn't mind returning to the days of horses and buggies. I do like having a hot shower in the morning though.

The secret to peace and freedom is locked in our minds.

Great title and powerful article, Pepe, almost too much to absorb, but puts down the facts of what we vaguely knew all along.

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Pepe Escobar interviewed
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on May 13, 2009 3:02 PM   
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to further round out the discussion of this fantastic article, I thought I'd remind pholks that they can pick up the free podcast of another interview with our friend & frequent contributor, journalist & author Pepe Escobar:

free: Mon.23.Mar.09 podcast The Jeff Farias Show

Jeff Farias spoke with:

- Pepe Escobar - on NATO, Afghanistan pipelines, CIA opium & liquid war,
- Richard Ray Perez - "Unprecedented: The 2000 Presidential Election" film
- Curt Ellis - 'Big River', 'King Corn' & 'The Greening of Southie' documentarian,
- Riki Ott - Anniversary of Exxon Valdez spill
- Thomas Walkom - Canada banning British MP George Galloway





perspective, people.


Perspective.

The Jeff Farias Show: streams FREE & LIVE Mon-Fri, 6-9pmEST

FREE podcast

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Iran is logical transit route for Turkmenistan oil and gas
Posted by: Garvagh on May 13, 2009 4:08 PM   
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Turkey already imports a great deal of gas from Iran, and connecting the oil and gas fields of Turkmenistan to the lines crossing Iran will facilitate export and offer alternatives to the routes crossing Russia. Iran is a much more stable location for these lines, assuming no insane Israeli attack is launched.

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Combustionworld
Posted by: Ignatz deFyre on May 13, 2009 7:08 PM   
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As long as people continue to burn stuff to get energy, conflict will ratchet up for control of the combustibles. We'll destroy ourselves over it, while depleting the kitty. Welcome to EIP: Easter Island Planet, where in the future derelict oil derricks will squat alongside monolith stone heads.

Who would have suspected that Mad Max was a documentary?!

The money wasted fighting over the last puff of gas and last slick of oil would be better spent finding alternatives to burning stuff. Preferably something distributed, so no bonzo could hold everybody hostage sitting on his pool of fuel.

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The Fuel on the Hill
Posted by: Ignatz deFyre on May 13, 2009 7:19 PM   
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Burn, baby, burn, and our love of combustion and profit therefrom make us easy prey. Truth is, some unreasonable people are sitting on the fuel.

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Iraqi oil
Posted by: Jaffe on May 13, 2009 10:49 PM   
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It's going on 8 years; the country is razed, the innocents are killed or maimed, depleted uranium residue poisons the children. It has been a successful war.

So when is the US going to tap the vast Iraqi oil resources?

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» There are ways and there are ways. Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» That didn't work. Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» RE: It worked. Posted by: Jaffe
Mr. Escobar's motive seems to be to...
Posted by: gnaw_bone on May 14, 2009 10:10 PM   
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...impress the reader with his razor-sharp insight and grasp of large-scale issues that escape the majority of the population. Ok, I'm impressed. Feel better, dude?

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Don't lose focus Guys
Posted by: alphamayo on May 15, 2009 12:00 AM   
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Over simplify and misdirect. It doesn't matter if the pipelines are built or not. The goal is to keep those people poor, and under energized. By the time those pipelines are built, we will have moved on to something better and home grown. The "great game" was only about keeping the Russians away from any substantial warm water ports and keeping control of India.

Nowadays economic control is so much better than physical control, that the real game is to not build the pipelines anywhere-all having extra pipelines would do is lower the costs of gas for everyone. Wars are expensive and if your enemies are rich they can throw better quality rocks at your house. Transit fees my ass.

Whether you think trying to control vital commodities is right or wrong is irrelevant. What is relevant is controlling who makes the money and how it is spent.

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wa~
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» Spammer get the hell out of here! Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» Spammer get the hell out of here! Posted by: Bliss Doubt
Well Isn't This Ironic...
Posted by: itsthemedication on May 20, 2009 4:03 PM   
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After AlterNet's timely little tirade against 911 conspiracy theories here we go with a central piece on the great game! Let me see. According to the neocons how can we get American support for an attack on Afghanistan? Well gee, it's states in black and white on the Project for a New American Century website which Rumsfeld, Cheney and pals signed off on, that "a new pearl harbor would be required."

Now what about those pesky 911 truthers? Oh, yeah, they're nutcases. Well at least they aren't stupid. It appears they can read and they were well aware of the "pipeline" projects (and I would say aware of physics also). I'm still laughing, and I'm giving point to 911 truth and "conspiracy.".

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