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Revealed: U.S. Interrogators May Have Killed Dozens of Detainees

By John Byrne, Raw Story. Posted May 6, 2009.


In all, 98 detainees have died while in U.S. hands, with 34 identified as homicides, at least eight of which were tortured to death.
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United States interrogators killed nearly four dozen detainees during or after their interrogations, according a report published by a human rights researcher based on a Human Rights First report and followup investigations.

In all, 98 detainees have died while in U.S. hands. Thirty-four homicides have been identified, with at least eight detainees -- and as many as 12 -- having been tortured to death, according to a 2006 Human Rights First report that underwrites the researcher’s posting. The causes of 48 more deaths remain uncertain.

The researcher, John Sifton, worked for five years for Human Rights Watch. In a posting Tuesday, he documents myriad cases of detainees who died at the hands of their U.S. interrogators. Some of the instances he cites are graphic.

Most of those taken captive were killed in Afghanistan and Iraq. They include at least one Afghani soldier, Jamal Naseer, who was mistakenly arrested in 2004. “Those arrested with Naseer later said that during interrogations U.S. personnel punched and kicked them, hung them upside down, and hit them with sticks or cables,” Sifton writes. “Some said they were doused with cold water and forced to lie in the snow. Nasser collapsed about two weeks after the arrest, complaining of stomach pain, probably an internal hemorrhage.”

Another Afghan killing occurred in 2002. Mohammad Sayari was killed by four U.S. servicemembers after being detained for allegedly “following their movements.” A Pentagon document obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union in 2005 said that the Defense Department found a captain and three sergeants had “murdered” Sayari, but the section dealing with the department’s probe was redacted.

Perhaps the most macabre case occurred in Iraq, which was documented in a Human Rights First report in 2006.

“Nagem Sadoon Hatab… a 52-year-old Iraqi, was killed while in U.S. custody at a holding camp close to Nasiriyah,” the group wrote. “Although a U.S. Army medical examiner found that Hatab had died of strangulation, the evidence that would have been required to secure accountability for his death -- Hatab’s body -- was rendered unusable in court. Hatab’s internal organs were left exposed on an airport tarmac for hours; in the blistering Baghdad heat, the organs were destroyed; the throat bone that would have supported the Army medical examiner’s findings of strangulation was never found.”

In another graphic instance, a former Iraqi general was beaten by U.S. forces and suffocated to death. The military officer charged in the death was given just 60 days house arrest.

“Abed Hamed Mowhoush [was] a former Iraqi general beaten over days by U.S. Army, CIA and other non-military forces, stuffed into a sleeping bag, wrapped with electrical cord, and suffocated to death,” Human Rights First writes. “In the recently concluded trial of a low-level military officer charged in Mowhoush’s death, the officer received a written reprimand, a fine, and 60 days with his movements limited to his work, home, and church.”

Another Iraqi man was killed in a U.S. detention facility on Mosul in 2003.

“U.S. military personnel who examined Kenami when he first arrived at the facility determined that he had no preexisting medical conditions,” the rights group writes. “Once in custody, as a disciplinary measure for talking, Kenami was forced to perform extreme amounts of exercise -- a technique used across Afghanistan and Iraq. Then his hands were bound behind his back with plastic handcuffs, he was hooded, and forced to lie in an overcrowded cell. Kenami was found dead the morning after his arrest, still bound and hooded. No autopsy was conducted; no official cause of death was determined. After the Abu Ghraib scandal, a review of Kenami’s death was launched, and Army reviewers criticized the initial criminal investigation for failing to conduct an autopsy; interview interrogators, medics, or detainees present at the scene of the death; and collect physical evidence. To date, however, the Army has taken no known action in the case.”


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Uniform Code of Military Justice
Posted by: Crazy H on May 6, 2009 10:49 AM   
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918. ART. 118. MURDER

Any person subject to this chapter whom without justification or excuse, unlawfully kills a human being, when he- -

(1) has a premeditated design to kill;

(2) intends to kill or inflict great bodily harm;

(3) is engaged in an act which is inherently dangerous to others and evinces a wanton disregard of human life; or

(4) is engaged in the perpetration or attempted perpetration of burglary, sodomy, rape, robbery, or aggravated arson;

is guilty of murder, and shall suffer such punishment as a court-martial may direct, except that if found guilty under clause (1) or (4), he shall suffer death or imprisonment for life as a court-martial may direct.

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The traditional punishment for murder involves a blindfold and a last cigarette - yes, even for clauses (2) or (3)

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» Good question, but........ Posted by: pfgetty
» Waterboard Silverstein Posted by: weathered
» here, I have an idea Posted by: abbadon2007
» No, you have NO idea! Posted by: rt968
America is gone.
Posted by: Obijuan on May 6, 2009 10:53 AM   
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Even if the numbers in this report are exaggerated...isn't one enough?

America is gone. Say what you want, but America is a rotting pile of corporate military fascism run by a puppet who doesn't have the real power or the real desire to care about these issues.

He was a professor of constitutional law, for goodness sakes. Wake up and realize you need to take back your country, or get out while you can.

Soon, it will all be over. We all need to hope that the USA doesn't pull the rest of the world underwater with her.

Sheez, I get so tired of hearing not only were the 'conspiracy theorists' right, but it was worse than even they thought.

Americans are all criminals by association at this point, unless you are actively speaking out, taking action, and working to destroy this power structure built on greed and callous disregard for human rights.

Europe should have already turned it's collective back on this hole of a country.

obi

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» RE: America is gone. Posted by: nha16
» RE: America is gone. Posted by: Quannah
» obi.... Posted by: Tom Degan
MAY HAVE?
Posted by: VZEQICVA on May 6, 2009 11:02 AM   
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Anyone who saw 'Frontline' last night got a dose of what really went on and still does. One rule was particularly interesting: If the person you're torturing dies, your're doing it wrong. Oh, and in some cases, it's perfectly alright to torture for personal 'sadistic pleasure'. All signed and approved by the top guys and we all know who they are. It's time Obama owned up to this unpleasant task. Men released from Guantanamo are telling their stories and can't possibly be making this up. We have good reason to fear being attacked by someone or other. They have good reason. ANNA

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This is what one might call Hard InterrorNation, or better yet, a nation of cowards
Posted by: logansafi on May 6, 2009 11:22 AM   
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Think of all the cowardly Right Wingers that support torture of other people? There sure are lots of these whiny assholes who can't even bring themselves to admit that the government they support, Big Government mind you that they say they so oppose, is using more than rough housing on POWs. Cowards!

And remember how they all used to rally around those POW/MIA flags (as they supported US torture against Vietnamese prisoners. Stupid Hypocrites!

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» The US holds no POW's Posted by: leafsong1
» What? Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: What? Posted by: leafsong1
Tell Holder: investigate Bush-era torture
Posted by: greenferret on May 6, 2009 11:22 AM   
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A new ABC poll shows that a majority of Americans favor investigating whether Bush administration officials broke the law regarding torture. An independent investigation would reaffirm the basic American principle that no one is above the law.

Tell Attorney General Holder to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate whether Bush administration officials violated laws prohibiting torture.

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Nothing new
Posted by: Defenestrator on May 6, 2009 11:25 AM   
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Unfortunately, the idea that Bush's was the first administration to use torture is not accurate.

The same techniques used at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo have been utilized for decades.

I think that part of the reason for Obama's foot-dragging on investigating and prosecuting Bush officials is very simple: if he did that, there would also have to be prosecutions of Clinton administration officials.

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» RE: Nothing new Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Nothing new Posted by: EJLima
» RE: Nothing new Posted by: nha16
» RE: Nothing new Posted by: Defenestrator
» RE: Nothing new Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Nothing new Posted by: weslen1
Sir Craig Murray - ONLY British Person To Stand Up To Such Evil and Not Be Murdered Just Got Married
Posted by: tony_opmoc on May 6, 2009 11:45 AM   
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http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/

Tony

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These are the so called America heroes they post yellow ribbons for
Posted by: 876 on May 6, 2009 12:22 PM   
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These people will all be hailed as heroes by the idiot masses of Americans upon arrival. They left as nobody’s and return, having robbed two nations of liberty and peace, as Americans heroes. This is why I no longer despair at the news of dead Americans, why in fact I rejoice, as a dead American is one less savage to poke the rest of humanity with its sticks.

The truth is despite this, these so called liberals of America will do nothing, will continue to post their yellow ribbons and will be more angered and moved to action by their precious tax dollars going to some criminal or other than they will for the lives of these human beings who suffered such horrors at the hands of these so called beacons of hope, liberators and givers of democracy.

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war of aggression, coincidental correlation ?
Posted by: sunnywater on May 6, 2009 12:27 PM   
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The International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg, which followed World War II, called the waging of aggressive war "essentially an evil thing...to initiate a war of aggression...is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime, differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole."

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THe Greatest Of Evils
Posted by: QQOblivion on May 6, 2009 2:11 PM   
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These war-crimes epitomize one of the greatest of all evils.

But, oh yeah, America has to "look forward", according to President Obama.

Imagine if some regular person, not a politician or other employee for the US government, tortured even one person to death!? Do you think that that sadist could for one second just use the defense "We must look forward, not backwards"!?!?

But, oh yeah, according to the media and both the Republicans and Democrats in power, anyone who wants even a little justice for the victims of these atrocities is thought of as only a member of the FAR left, the "loony left".

We have fallen all the way to HELL, as a nation. Get used to it -- this is the new-normal, it seems.

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Ashamed
Posted by: Denman61 on May 6, 2009 2:33 PM   
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I am ashamed that my fellow citizens in the armed services have become such scum.

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We betrayed our Republic's founding ideals
Posted by: socrates2 on May 6, 2009 2:54 PM   
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Crazy H, sunnywater, obijuan et al make their points for me.
I want to weep for what my fellow citizens have sanctioned--nothing less than the destruction of our most fervently held ideals and Jeffersonian Constitutional principles.
As a Republic we exist to guarantee life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. This piece reminds us that when even one human being died in our custody--and worse-tortured, we betrayed and destroyed the very idea that gave birth to our American Republic...
God save the Republic.

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GADFLY PAT
Posted by: pest on May 6, 2009 3:01 PM   
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FROM NANCY PELOSI'S REFUSAL TO IMPEACH BUSH/CHENNEY FOR CRIMES- NATIONAL & INTERNATIONAL, TO OBAMA'S STATEMENT TO "NOT LOOK BACK", DESTROYS THE CREDIBILITY AND INTEGRITY OF THE USA AND IS A GIANT BLOT ON OUR HISTORY. THE USA IS AND WILL BECOME KNOWN AS A MAJOR WORLD TORTURER AND KILLER. CLAIMS OF FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY ARE A FARCE !

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» RE: GADFLY PAT Posted by: cmorr176
Getting Away With Murder
Posted by: DrBrian on May 6, 2009 5:03 PM   
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As I have been arguing for months, this makes CIA and military personnel murderers, along with those who devised, ordered, justified and supervised these acts, guilty of murder. Obama's, Holder's and Panetta's charaterization of these thugs as dedicated public servants who acted in good faith gives us a devastating look at the judgment, ethical values and legal philosophy of these three lawyers sworn to uphold the law and, under the Convention on Torture, affirmatively obligated to enforce it. If this isn't obstruction of justice, I don't know what is.

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Cyrano deB
Posted by: Cyrano deB on May 6, 2009 6:20 PM   
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If we are to survive as a constitutional democracy this issue has to be resolved in a court of law. Not by edict. Everyone and anyone involved in torture of any human being anywhere needs to have his day in court. That is our law. We are not a kingdom yet, I hope?. And to set aside due process for the breaking of a fundamental law that this whole planet understands as illegal, BY EDICT, means that we are no longer a nation of laws guided by our constitution. But all of the letters in the world are not going to sway the individuals involved in bringing these lawbreakers to justice. Someone needs to organize an outpouring of humanity to protest the sweeping of this isuue under the rug.

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More tinsel on the tree of hate
Posted by: chance garden on May 6, 2009 7:08 PM   
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Revealing yes...equally disturbing but not surprising...these crimes and ones like them have been going on for many decades now in other countries...more tinsel on the tree of hate...and what is the big picture here? And over there in the middle east? The struggle over resources and markets...the desire to dominate the middle east and central asia for the oil, and the gas, and the minerals...the Great Game...anyone remember the slain Armenians? Who will remember these latest victims of plutocratic crime and greed, FOR power, WITH WAR, murder, torture, genocide...did WE ever really have a country?

It's been going on for so long now, since the Euros and Brits and Americans and Russians and others wanted to reap the spoils of the Sick Old Man Ottoman Empire...these intrigues, these tortures, these murders, these wars, these subversions of other nations...these Capital Crimes!

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» Moron Alert: Code Red Posted by: ATH
So!!!
Posted by: Silly Sapper on May 6, 2009 8:37 PM   
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So What

Have you all forgot 9/11.

Do you want this fight in America's Street, if you haven't noticed our border is really, really porus.

Let them do their damn jobs, unless you have been there and actually gotten your hands dirty, you shouldn't be posting on this subject.

War is a Dirty Business, you can have all the lofty ideals in the world but war is about KILLING!! Killing isn't pretty,sexy or idealistic. These people killed, that you are crying about, were killed for you and your freedoms. I don't think you should be hanging those Soldiers out to dry, they are just trying to protect what you cherish.

If you can quote UCMJ you didn't get your hands dirty, sorry.

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» RE: So!!! Posted by: chomsky
» RE: So!!! Posted by: Silly Sapper
» RE: So!!! Posted by: eruditeogre
These vicious bastards have defiled our American flag with the blood of torture victims who...
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on May 6, 2009 9:53 PM   
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may well be innocent goat herders for all we know!!! Indict, prosecute, & imprison now!!!

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Just wait until sheeple like you learn who was really behind 9/11!!!
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on May 6, 2009 9:54 PM   
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Until then, please do encourage any more torturing of anybody!!!

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Just wait until sheeple like you learn who was really behind 9/11!!!!
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on May 6, 2009 9:57 PM   
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Until then, please do encourage any more torturing of anybody!!!!

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Assumptions
Posted by: chomsky on May 6, 2009 10:25 PM   
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I still don't understand how some can be so dense as to assume that just because these prisoners were in custody that they must have been guilty.

It sure is a novel concept.

Did you ever pause to ask yourself How come, of the hundreds in US custody - for 6 years now - less than FIVE have had formal charges brought against them in a military (kangaroo) court?

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» dear chomsky... Posted by: chance garden
» RE: dear chomsky... Posted by: chomsky
Incredible
Posted by: Tom Degan on May 7, 2009 12:56 AM   
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Sooner or later the awful truth will emerge. You just can't sweep something like this under the historical rug and expect it to lie dormant for all time and eternity.

Sooner or later an accounting for these crimes will be rendered with a vengeance on the people responsible for these war crimes.

Sooner or later people will be going to federal prison for a very long time.

Count on it: many of these people were murdered in cold blood to keep them quiet. Call it a hunch.

The G.O.Pizza Party

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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Come ON!!!
Posted by: shill on May 7, 2009 3:44 AM   
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I didn't like Bush/Cheney either, but let's get real here! How is power accrued, then held on to? By a variety of means, yes, but the type of thing the article speaks about (torture) is one way that has been used for centuries by major and minor powers all over the world. Is it ethical? Of course not, but it has been done and will CONTINUE to be done as long as it gets the results the people who have the power want (ie. to KEEP their power!)And these methods have not been exclusive to the Bush/Cheney "regime," which is one reason Mr. Obama is not rushing full speed ahead to open this particular can of worms. This is not new; it's just that Bush's arrogance in torturing then saying "It's not torture because I say it's not torture," was just a little too much to swallow for a lot of people who normally might be content to just look the other way.

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» RE: Come ON!!! Posted by: andrushka
» RE: Come ON!!! Posted by: Ratskii
» RE: Come ON!!! Posted by: shill
Don't forget those 'remanded' to 3rd party countries, Gitmo
Posted by: LeonBNJ on May 7, 2009 3:44 AM   
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Let us not forget all those 'remanded' to 3rd party countries to be tortured and were killed or mentally killed because of it. America has blood on it's hands for those 'remanded' where we outsourced toture to countries that had no problems for it. We are still responsible for what happened to them by any anti-torture agreements and laws.
Then there are several who died in captivity in Gitmo from abuse from guards, agressive interrigations and just the psychlogical abuse from being incarcated there under no recognized international agreements.
We need names - of those killed and those that did it so. Those that did it should face jail themselves or at least their lives ruined, starting with GWB and Chenney.

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Exactly Why Cheney want US to prosecute him
Posted by: Purple Girl on May 7, 2009 6:11 AM   
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Come on when has the Shadow master ever felt compelled to slither out from his 'undisclosed' rock in the last 4 decades. His ass is on the line and it is not US he fears...but the international community.
He's pushing for the documents to be released on the Two who didn't die as a means to cover up or distract from his more heinous crimes.
Torture at Gitmo & AbuGhraib is the least of the Charges he (Rummy & Wolfie) face. There are the crimes committed through the Black Sites, Rendition and his Hit squad to be revealed.
This illegitimate discussion here about what constitutes Torture helps Cheney et al obscure the fact that they negated our right to have this conversation- it's out of our hands, they broke International Law and the International Red Cross has called it. Additionally those other global crimes are also out of our hands.
What we can Prosecute for which has yet to be addressed is the Treason. They lied about why we were going to iraq, They Cherry picked and destroyed evidence (E-mails, Tapes and memos), They usurped Our Constituional Protections (wiretapping),they used our military in illegitmate ways.....Lets' stop this 'shiny object' debate over investigating Torture, black sites, Rendition and hit squads and turn it over to the international community to prosecute as they see fit.
In fact I am willing to give up the Right to prosecute Cheney,Rummy and Wolfie for their various crimes of Treason, if we are assured they will be prosecuted by the interantional community- with such countries as Syria, Yemen, Iran and Lebanon on the Panel.
Revenge a Dish best Served Cold, Boys. You Screwed US, now we are going to Screw you.And Consider what a Bridge building opportunity this would present, handing our supposed adversaries over the very men who have perpetuated this BS conflict for decades.
Iran and N.Korea give US back our ladies- and we'll give you Cheney, Rummy and Wolfie- Deal?

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The Reality of Torture
Posted by: Cybershaman on May 7, 2009 6:39 AM   
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A lot of good posts on here. Much of what I would say has been said already, except...

I think we have a very narrow definition of torture. Most of the conditions we impose upon people are actually one form of torture or another. I have back problems so just standing in line for a long period of time becomes torture for me.

We define this in terms of a healthy and strong person. Most people do not fit into that mold. When we displace a population, whether it is in preparation for a battle or a 'trail of tears' type operation we are creating the conditions where those who have health problems will probably die. And this is intentional!

Try to imagine what would happen to you if your life was suddenly turned upside-down. Some of us would start suffering greatly by just being deprived of our familiar bathroom or sleeping facilities. Especially the old! We constantly turn a blind eye to most of the suffering we create until things get to the extremes we have here.

Stress positions? What a benign term for a very cruel game. Sleep deprivation? Any parent of a colicky baby can tell you how the body/mind responds to a lack of sleep. Food deprivation? Hope you don't have diabetes.
98 people? We've killed millions.

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All 98 are murders
Posted by: leafsong1 on May 7, 2009 7:16 AM   
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When you commit a violent crime and your victim dies as a consquence, you have murdered that victim. The Geneva Convention clearly states that prisoners captured on a battlefield are to be treated as POW's until a court finds that they are unlawful combatants. The US has not treated anyone captured on a battlefield in the last eight years as a POW. Every prisoner held by US forces is consequently a victim of a violent crime merely by being held in US custody, and all those involved with holding such prisoners are war criminals. Anytime any one of illegal prisoners (kidnap victims) dies in custody, it is murder. Then, on top of this, they were clearly tortured to death.

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» RE: All 98 are murders Posted by: Silly Sapper
» RE: All 980,000 are murders Posted by: leafsong1
No doubt the flag-waving, blood-thirsty Rethugs are cheering...
Posted by: xvictor on May 7, 2009 7:23 AM   
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nm

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What about the Iraq war itself?
Posted by: dsmidiman on May 7, 2009 7:32 AM   
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While I'm in total agreement with the posts here about the torture and other illegal acts perpitrated by US citizens and sanctioned by US leaders I am also dumb-founded as to why we are not discussing the issue that brought this all about. The invasion and taking over of a country for monetary gains. What would the people of this country think if another country used it's superior military power to invade us, capture our president and have him hung, killing thousands of innocent civilians and causing billions of dollars in damage to our infastructure. All because we had something of great monetary value such as black gold (oil) and they wanted it? Most of us have known since the beginning of the "let's go get Iraq" era that the real reason our gov't wanted to take over Iraq was because of thier oil reserves, and to blow the smitherine's out of thier infrastructure so we could send in companies like Haliburton to make billions of dollars "rebuilding" thier infastructure and basically "loot" the country of it's material wealth. The overwhelming evidence that has come out and continues to come out (no WMD's, no connection to Osama Bin Laden or the attack here on 911) supports the theory that we invaded and took over Iraq simply for monetary gain. All the subsequent illegal things (the torture of detainees, the wire tapping of innocent civilians in our country, the cover ups, the killing of thousands of innocent men women and children along the way) all came about because we invaded and took over another country for monetary gain and needed to make it look like we were doing the right thing for Godly reasons. Period!! Our gov't helped Suddam Hussien in his 8 yr battle with the Iranians by covertly suppling money and arms to him. Remember the Iran Contra thing back when the oh so righteous Ronald Reagan was president? When the covert stuff started leaking into the media Reagan simply said he couldn't remember and set Oliver North up to take the fall for it. We need to bring GWB, Cheney and the whole crew of political leaders and military officers that endorsed this invasion of Iraq before a world court to be tried for the crime of invading Iraq and the subsequent crimes that followed in order to try and justify the invasion. Cheney is glad to spend time energy and money debating whether the techniques used to get false confessions out of detainees to support their illegal invasion of Iraq was really torutre, legal or whatever because it focuses attention away from the "head of the monster" which is the invasion and take over of another country for purely monetary gain.

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» RE: What about the Iraq war itself? Posted by: chance garden
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Posted by: VanWinkle65 on May 7, 2009 8:14 AM   
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Wow, pretty pathetic isnt it. And the sad part is, it will continue to go on regardless of what Obama bin Lyin' tells the sheeple in his fancy speeches!

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Posted by: Archie1954 on May 7, 2009 9:36 AM   
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I look at the picture of the young woman smiling at the dead body of a murdered detainee and I see how truly ugly she is, not in facial features but inside where it counts. I wonder what kind of abusive, disgraceful parents she had to raise her as such a hateful individual. Are these kind of parents the norm in today's America, or are they the exception? If they're the norm then you can kiss the America you knew goodbye.

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Posted by: JadedEvan on May 7, 2009 12:34 PM   
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Reading that turns my stomach. I have no idea how anyone could attempt to defend such atrocities.

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Consequences for wrongdoing matter
Posted by: free2disagree on May 7, 2009 1:29 PM   
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What's that famous line?

The only thing necessary for evil to triumph in the world is for good people to stand by and do nothing.

If we do not investigate and hold responsible at the highest levels those who ordered these acts, what is there to stop anyone the next time, and the next?

TORTURE IS WRONG.

It's the behavior, not the belief.
The thing that makes the bad guys bad is what they DO- if we do it too, then we are bad guys too.

Support rule of law and the Constitution- not "because I said so".

Unitary Executive Theory and "The Decider" are just euphemisms for dictator.

Don't let this happen again and again.

Whether it ends up indicting Dems or Reps or anyone else, we need truth, and we need consequences.


...and JUSTICE for ALL.

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TORTURE-OUS DEMOCRATS
Posted by: reelman on May 8, 2009 10:06 AM   
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Once again the upsidedown world of the modern liberal (secular socialist) rears its dangerous self.
The same dufus democrat clowns that are (still) mute when drones kill innocents to get terrorists and three african moslem teen pirates are shot dead…just get all bent and offended when less than ten of the nutcase bombing-beheaders are waterboarded to save America lives.

Waterboarding was done to many hundreds of American servicemen as part of their training. Do terrorists “in training” get gun-butted in the head? Get their fingers cut off? Get beheaded? Ohhh, that is what the moslem terrorists do to their prisoners. Guess we all forgot. Ohhh, only the democrats forgot.

Can any triple digit IQ human understand that? Let me explain…Bush okayed waterboarding a few captured America-hating top moslem terrorists as a small but vital part of his 7 years of success (that is the hated word, success) in preventing another radical moslem terrorist attack.

Now do you understand? Its how the modern dufus democrat thinks… smear, get even, etc. Then Pelosi lies to us all that she was never told. Its no problem…the ethics-free the democrats do what they do while the network media changes their diapers as needed.

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Your emotions
Posted by: chomsky on May 8, 2009 7:46 PM   
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Silly Sapper, your emotional, subjective response aside, non of what you posted is based on fact. First off, 9/11 happened because the US has been meddling in the Middle East far too long. Propping up dictatorships and supporting and arming brutal thugs doesn't earn a country any brownie points.

You claim that those at Gitmo aren't as innocent as I may think. Well, I don't know what you base your argument on, you haven't provided any proof that the majority of them are guilty of anything but, being brown and non-christian. And, finally, if they are so darn guilty, you have yet to explain why 99.9% of them have not had charges brought against them. Just explain that one instead of ranting about heads and what not.

Have you seen bodies blown to bits after an air strike? This past week alone the US "mistakenly" killed 150 civilians. Yet, you're whining about a handful of guys who had their heads cut off. I'm not devaluing their lives, but it seems to you western blood is just so much more valuable than any other. Everyone else is sub-human, disposable.


And just for the record, there are many clueless people in the US and other places, but you are as clueless as they are. That's a fact, jack. I'm sorry this turned personal, but the point had to be made.

You're viewing the rest of the world as if they owe you something, as if everything western colonialism (British, French, German, American) in the Middle East did not cause more lasting suffering for generations to come than the poster-boy of "the war on terrorism" that the likes of you like to parade ....cutting heads and what not. Yes, it's criminal and barbarian, but you and your government are no different. Both are as barbarian and as criminal. In fact, I'd go on a limb and say that Christianity and the "white man" have killed more humans in the last 2000 years than any other Middle Eastern.

Besides, why should millions of Iraqis suffer for something they had nothing to do with? Suddenly every person in the Middle East and by implication at Gitmo is guilty? Are you sane or do you just dabble in logic on the weekends?

So you cleaned up a dead body or two, big woop. Go ask an orphan who was raped and beaten and watched her parents get murdered in front of her own eyes, go ask her how she feels.

I will no longer respond to your posts for debating you is fruitless. You have your mindset and your prejudices. It's a waste of my time.

Chomsky out!

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» RE: Your emotions Posted by: Silly Sapper
U.S Torture is nothing new...so why all the fuss?
Posted by: Dboy on May 10, 2009 9:12 PM   
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I have in my possession a video from the Vietnam war. In this video, US troops are holding a 14 year old girl on the ground while using a drowning technique very similar to water-boarding. Trust me, it's a horrible video.

Some of us have known for YEARS what the US really is and what they do. There is NOTHING NOTHING new here. The American people are ignorant of much of this, but even if they knew they wouldn't care, due to their "christian morality".

America is OVER, and Karma is asserting itself.

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