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Obama's Blackwater? Chicago Mercenary Firm Gets Millions for Private "Security" in Israel and Iraq
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On the campaign trail, Barack Obama's advisers said he "can't rule out [and] won't rule out" using mercenary forces, like Blackwater. Now, it appears that the Obama administration has decided on its hired guns of choice: Triple Canopy, a Chicago company now based in Virginia. It may not have Blackwater's thuggish reputation, but Triple Canopy has its own bloody history in Iraq and a record of hiring mercenaries from countries with atrocious human rights records. What's more, Obama is not just using the company in Iraq, but also as a U.S.-government funded private security force in Israel/Palestine, operating out of Jerusalem.
Beginning May 7th, Triple Canopy will officially take over Xe/Blackwater's mega-contract with the U.S. State Department for guarding occupation officials in Iraq. It's sure to be a lucrative deal: Obama's Iraq plan will inevitably rely on an increased use of private contractors, including an army of mercenaries to protect his surge of diplomats operating out of the monstrous U.S. embassy in Baghdad.
The Iraq contract may come as no surprise. But according to federal contract records obtained by AlterNet, the Obama administration has also paid Triple Canopy millions of dollars to provide "security services" in Israel. In February and March, the Obama administration awarded a "delivery order" to Triple Canopy worth $5.5 million under State Department contract SAQMPD05F5528, which is labeled "PROTECTIVE SERVICES--ISRAEL." According to one government document, the contract is scheduled to run until September 2012. (Another document says September 2009.) The contract is classified as "SECURITY GUARDS AND PATROL SERVICES" in Israel. The total value of the contract was listed at $41,556,969.72. According to a January 2009 State Department document obtained by AlterNet labeled "Sensitive But Unclassified," the Triple Canopy contract is based out of Jerusalem.
According to federal records, the original arrangement with Triple Canopy in Israel appears to date back to at least September 2005 and has been renewed every year since. The company is operating under the State Department's Worldwide Personal Protection Program (WPPS), which provides for private security/military companies to operate on the U.S. government payroll in countries such as Afghanistan, Bosnia, Iraq, and Israel. Triple Canopy, according to an internal State Department report, also worked under the program in Haiti, though that task order is now listed as "closed." In State Department documents the WPPS program is described as a government initiative to protect U.S. officials as well as "certain foreign government high level officials whenever the need arises." The State Department spent some $2 billion on the WPPS program from 2005-2008.
Triple Canopy's Growing Footprint in Iraq
Triple Canopy is hardly new to the Iraq occupation. Founded in Chicago in 2003 by "U.S. Army Special Forces veterans," the company won its first Iraq contract in 2004. In 2005, with its business expanding, Triple Canopy relocated its corporate headquarters from Obama's home state to Herndon, Virginia, placing it much closer to the center of U.S. war contracting. (On several U.S. government contracts, however, including the Israel security contracts, its Lincolnshire, Illinois address is still used.)
Along with Blackwater and DynCorp, Triple Canopy has had armed operatives deployed in Iraq on a major U.S. government contract since the early stages of the occupation. At one point during this arrangement, Blackwater was responsible for Baghdad (the largest share of the work), DynCorp covered northern Iraq and Triple Canopy southern Iraq. Triple Canopy also worked for KBR and other corporations. As of 2007, Triple Canopy had about 2,000 operatives in Iraq, but only 257 on the State Department contract. However, its new contract, which takes effect May 7, will greatly expand Triple Canopy's government presence in Iraq. (Meanwhile, Blackwater is scheduled to continue to work in Iraq under Obama through its aviation division and in Afghanistan, where it has security and counter-narcotics contracts. It also holds millions of dollars in other U.S. government contracts around the world and in the U.S. In February alone, the Obama administration paid Blackwater nearly $70 million in security contracts.) The Obama administration may have traded Blackwater for Triple Canopy in Iraq, but it is likely that some of Blackwater's operatives, too, will simply jump over to Triple Canopy to keep working as armed security guards for occupation officials.
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And as Chicago politics is utterly corrupt making even St Louis look "clean" in pale comparison, what's more to expect? With the kind of neolibs and neocons the Chicago political machine has produced, I say the people of Chicago need to wake up and push for major reforms. The city and its surrounding suburbs are increasing in poverty and corruption as it is.
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youtube.com/watch?v=8vWZTTrceV8
Journalist Jim Lobe appears in the doc above, listen to his Antiwar.com Radio interviews here:
ScottHortonShow.com Archives - Jim Lobe (2003-09)
Listen to Philip Weiss discuss the War for Israel agenda:
antiwar.com/radio/2008/07/12/philip-weiss/
antiwar.com/radio/2009/03/18/philip-weiss-2/
philipweiss.org - blogging daily everything Neocon, Israel Lobby, Zionism
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It's only a matter of time that these private, un-Constitutional group of Brown Shirts take their act to your town. Remember, Hitler's Brown Shirts were not a military organization sanctioned by the government. They were a privately organized "Security Firm".
Something to think about, huh?
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Finally my comment on the "Israeli Connection" is that it is the strangest Scratch-my-back-I-shall-scratch-yours type of connection. With Israel it is, Scratch-my-back-and-I-will pay-you-I-will-scratch-your-back-and-again-I-will-pay-you. The one getting paid both ways is Israel! Long live the Israeli Government of the United States. Yes, the one which is also misnomered as the Government of the United States of America.
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“1/26/05: Obama voted to confirm Condoleezza Rice for Secretary of State. Rice was largely responsible…for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent victims in unnecessary wars.
“2/01/05: Obama was part of a unanimous consent agreement not to filibuster the nomination of lawless torturer Alberto Gonzales as chief law enforcement officer of the United States (U.S. Attorney General).”
“2/15/05: Obama voted to confirm Michael Chertoff, a proponent of water-board torture... man behind the round-up of thousands of people of Middle-Eastern descent following 9/11. By Roll call 10.”
“4/21/05: Obama voted to make John ‘Death Squad’ Negroponte the National Intelligence Director. In Central America, John Negroponte was connected to death squads that murdered nuns and children in sizable quantities.
“4/21/05: Obama voted for HR 1268, war appropriations in the amount of approximately $81 billion. Much of this funding went to Blackwater USA and Halliburton and disappeared.
“10/07/05: Obama voted for HR2863, which appropriated $50 billion in new money for war.
“11/15/05: Obama voted for continued war, again. Roll call 326 was the vote on the Defense Authorization Act (S1042) which kept the war and war profiteering alive, restricted the right of habeas corpus and encouraged terrorism.
“12/21/05: Obama confirmed his support for war by voting for the Conference Report on the Defense Appropriations Act (HR 2863), Roll call 366, which provided more funding to Halliburton and Blackwater. ”
“5/2/06: Obama voted for money for more war by voting for cloture on HR 4939, the emergency funding to Halliburton, Blackwater and other war profiteers.
“5/4/06: Obama, again, voted to adopt HR4939: emergency funding to war profiteers.
“6/13/06: Obama voted to commend the armed services for a bombing that killed innocent people and children and reportedly resulted in the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi…
“6/15/06: Obama voted for the conference report on HR4939, a bill that gave warmongers more money to continue the killing and massacre of innocent people in Iraq.
“6/15/06: Obama, again, opposed withdrawal of the troops, by voting to table a motion to table a proposed amendment would have required the withdrawal of US. Armed Forces from Iraq and would have urged the convening of an Iraq summit.
“6/22/06: Obama voted against withdrawing the troops by opposing the Kerry Amendment (S. Amdt 4442 to S 2766) to the National Defense Authorization Act.
“6/22/06: Obama voted for cloture (the last effective chance to stop) on the National Defense Authorization Act (S 2766), which provided massive amounts of funding to defense contractors.
“6/22/06: Obama again voted for continued war by voting to pass the National Defense Authorization Act (S 2766) for continued war funding.
“9/29/06: Obama voted vote for the conference report on more funding for war, HR 5631.
“11/16/06: Obama voted for nuclear proliferation in voting to pass HR 5682, a bill to exempt the United States-India Nuclear Proliferation Act from requirements of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954.
“12/06/06: Obama voted to confirm pro-war Robert M. Gates to be Secretary of Defense. Gates is a supporter of Bush's policies of pre-emptive war and conquest of foreign countries.
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“No one is minding the store,” said William G. Dupree, a former director of the Defense Criminal Investigative Service (DCIS), which investigates contracting fraud. “Someone needs to address that.”
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Posted by: we_need_Abe on Apr 2, 2009 9:54 AM
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With all that being said, the ONLY way that the future may differ from the past is for more of the masses to get informed, and to speak up. Passivity will only allow for the status quo to continue. Speak up or sit down and shut up.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Apr 2, 2009 10:10 AM
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When you're done reading all of the great articles and comments on today's edition of AlterNet, have a look at the piece I wrote a year and a half ago on this very subject. Here's a link:
Bush and Cheney's Private Gestapo
Cheers!
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Posted by: TJColatrella on Apr 2, 2009 10:46 AM
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Doesn't President Obama realize he is spending tax payer money to under mine our nations Military..?
Xe this group others are bleeding off many of our best trained most talented experienced troops..and we are paying often 4x's more for the service we would otherwise have for much less and with greater adherence to our military's great traditions...
Rome only became a great empire after it abandoned privately raised armies and had a professional army now we are going backwards privatizing our nations army so that wars conflict and security cost our Treasury even more..
"Et Tu" Barack..."Et Tu.."
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Posted by: xbj on Apr 2, 2009 11:21 AM
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Enjoy your new-found and richly-deserved disillusionment and apathy.
While this jerk grins at you like the clueless duped idiots you were.
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Posted by: wormfarmer on Apr 2, 2009 11:27 AM
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my impression of Barak Obama was one of hope, change, hopefully a little independence of
thought and deed. I was ready to extend time and patience for the transition of President. This is not working, as I concluded with the team of economic advisers, Summers, Giethner, Volker,
keeping,but shuffelling, the same military advisers, Gates, Patraeous, etc......., maintaining the same aggressive stance in the middle east, giving the future of succeeding generations to thieves and con men, letting corporations have their way with our society.I have not seen any hope or change from this administration, just the same corporate controlled domination of the populace,
keeping control of the masses.
Now we are moving our military presence into Afghanistan, soon Pakistan, I was
hoping to see something other than an embracing of the status quo, but then I remembered that
our country elected a corporate candidate. I would hope that by this time the population would have awakened to the corporate shenanegans that have been so redundant throughout this
country's history, but then I thought about the collective attention span of America.
The time is ripe for us to stop the political complicit behavior, to adopt the Ralph Nader suggestion of a 1/10 of one percent tax on all stock transactions, to stop the sacrificing of this country's future to the perpetraitors of economic collapse.
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Posted by: zbeckerd on Apr 2, 2009 12:12 PM
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This is always a dangerous proposition.
The problem with this and other past contracting is that you have multiple units operating independently of each other with no central command and control. I would refuse to operate in a world where there are independent operators with guns.
What TO DO???
A new model for contractor operations in a military theater. Military adoption of a ICS like theater of operations.
The US land management agencies and specifically fire suppression adopted the California Incident Command System (1984). Since that time it has been expanded for mandatory use by the entire US government emergency management.... Why because it works.
Under the ICS system there would only be one Commander in a area of operations. There would be a daily plan for all operations in the area. All units in the area would be briefed on the plan for that operational period. Everyone would have common communications. Under ICS the command of this operation would be a government employee (General). Any positions below that level can be persons who are qualified to do the work. Generally these people are active and retired government employees. The retired personnel are hired under a separate authority, but the essential fact is that while working they are Government employees.
Lower level functions such as firefighters (soldiers) are routinely contracted to work with government firefighters. They usually come with there own command (sqaud boss = sergeant? crew boss = Lieutenant?)
Higher level command is usually hired from a government entity, although less risky/smaller operations (type 3) can be fully contracted. Still they remain under government supervision at all times.
Leadership can and should include all of the Homeland Security paramilitray operations. This is a ideal method for these folds to get operational experience and for the military to have another source of available leader. It is important in this model to have everyone working in one organization with one command.
So bring back your retired seals, rangers, swat and policeman. Hire them as temporary government employees or contacted workers. But command must remain with a Incident Commander (General) and other leadership that is done by a public servant.
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How many I don't know.
But add that figure -- when you find out -- to our 40,000 troops already there, the 'surge' and 'trainers' (another 31,000) plus the Pentagon's recent request for another 10,000.
Let's make sure we use the e-word in discussing -
or protesting -- this ESCALATION.
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tell me--whats the diff in drowning out those who disagree with "
U.S. A." vs. "yes we can"?!
It was infuriating to true liberals who had to watch.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a differetn result. Dems/GOP---Tweedledumb and Tweedledumbass
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And as Chicago politics is utterly corrupt making even St Louis look "clean" in pale comparison, what's more to expect? With the kind of neolibs and neocons the Chicago political machine has produced, I say the people of Chicago need to wake up and push for major reforms. The city and its surrounding suburbs are increasing in poverty and corruption as it is.
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youtube.com/watch?v=8vWZTTrceV8
Journalist Jim Lobe appears in the doc above, listen to his Antiwar.com Radio interviews here:
ScottHortonShow.com Archives - Jim Lobe (2003-09)
Listen to Philip Weiss discuss the War for Israel agenda:
antiwar.com/radio/2008/07/12/philip-weiss/
antiwar.com/radio/2009/03/18/philip-weiss-2/
philipweiss.org - blogging daily everything Neocon, Israel Lobby, Zionism
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It's only a matter of time that these private, un-Constitutional group of Brown Shirts take their act to your town. Remember, Hitler's Brown Shirts were not a military organization sanctioned by the government. They were a privately organized "Security Firm".
Something to think about, huh?
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Finally my comment on the "Israeli Connection" is that it is the strangest Scratch-my-back-I-shall-scratch-yours type of connection. With Israel it is, Scratch-my-back-and-I-will pay-you-I-will-scratch-your-back-and-again-I-will-pay-you. The one getting paid both ways is Israel! Long live the Israeli Government of the United States. Yes, the one which is also misnomered as the Government of the United States of America.
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“1/26/05: Obama voted to confirm Condoleezza Rice for Secretary of State. Rice was largely responsible…for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent victims in unnecessary wars.
“2/01/05: Obama was part of a unanimous consent agreement not to filibuster the nomination of lawless torturer Alberto Gonzales as chief law enforcement officer of the United States (U.S. Attorney General).”
“2/15/05: Obama voted to confirm Michael Chertoff, a proponent of water-board torture... man behind the round-up of thousands of people of Middle-Eastern descent following 9/11. By Roll call 10.”
“4/21/05: Obama voted to make John ‘Death Squad’ Negroponte the National Intelligence Director. In Central America, John Negroponte was connected to death squads that murdered nuns and children in sizable quantities.
“4/21/05: Obama voted for HR 1268, war appropriations in the amount of approximately $81 billion. Much of this funding went to Blackwater USA and Halliburton and disappeared.
“10/07/05: Obama voted for HR2863, which appropriated $50 billion in new money for war.
“11/15/05: Obama voted for continued war, again. Roll call 326 was the vote on the Defense Authorization Act (S1042) which kept the war and war profiteering alive, restricted the right of habeas corpus and encouraged terrorism.
“12/21/05: Obama confirmed his support for war by voting for the Conference Report on the Defense Appropriations Act (HR 2863), Roll call 366, which provided more funding to Halliburton and Blackwater. ”
“5/2/06: Obama voted for money for more war by voting for cloture on HR 4939, the emergency funding to Halliburton, Blackwater and other war profiteers.
“5/4/06: Obama, again, voted to adopt HR4939: emergency funding to war profiteers.
“6/13/06: Obama voted to commend the armed services for a bombing that killed innocent people and children and reportedly resulted in the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi…
“6/15/06: Obama voted for the conference report on HR4939, a bill that gave warmongers more money to continue the killing and massacre of innocent people in Iraq.
“6/15/06: Obama, again, opposed withdrawal of the troops, by voting to table a motion to table a proposed amendment would have required the withdrawal of US. Armed Forces from Iraq and would have urged the convening of an Iraq summit.
“6/22/06: Obama voted against withdrawing the troops by opposing the Kerry Amendment (S. Amdt 4442 to S 2766) to the National Defense Authorization Act.
“6/22/06: Obama voted for cloture (the last effective chance to stop) on the National Defense Authorization Act (S 2766), which provided massive amounts of funding to defense contractors.
“6/22/06: Obama again voted for continued war by voting to pass the National Defense Authorization Act (S 2766) for continued war funding.
“9/29/06: Obama voted vote for the conference report on more funding for war, HR 5631.
“11/16/06: Obama voted for nuclear proliferation in voting to pass HR 5682, a bill to exempt the United States-India Nuclear Proliferation Act from requirements of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954.
“12/06/06: Obama voted to confirm pro-war Robert M. Gates to be Secretary of Defense. Gates is a supporter of Bush's policies of pre-emptive war and conquest of foreign countries.
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“No one is minding the store,” said William G. Dupree, a former director of the Defense Criminal Investigative Service (DCIS), which investigates contracting fraud. “Someone needs to address that.”
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Posted by: jbowen43 on Apr 2, 2009 9:11 AM
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» RE: Obama's Blackwater? That's a lie!!
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Posted by: we_need_Abe on Apr 2, 2009 9:54 AM
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With all that being said, the ONLY way that the future may differ from the past is for more of the masses to get informed, and to speak up. Passivity will only allow for the status quo to continue. Speak up or sit down and shut up.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Apr 2, 2009 10:10 AM
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When you're done reading all of the great articles and comments on today's edition of AlterNet, have a look at the piece I wrote a year and a half ago on this very subject. Here's a link:
Bush and Cheney's Private Gestapo
Cheers!
Tom Degan
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Posted by: TJColatrella on Apr 2, 2009 10:46 AM
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Doesn't President Obama realize he is spending tax payer money to under mine our nations Military..?
Xe this group others are bleeding off many of our best trained most talented experienced troops..and we are paying often 4x's more for the service we would otherwise have for much less and with greater adherence to our military's great traditions...
Rome only became a great empire after it abandoned privately raised armies and had a professional army now we are going backwards privatizing our nations army so that wars conflict and security cost our Treasury even more..
"Et Tu" Barack..."Et Tu.."
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Posted by: xbj on Apr 2, 2009 11:21 AM
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Enjoy your new-found and richly-deserved disillusionment and apathy.
While this jerk grins at you like the clueless duped idiots you were.
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Posted by: wormfarmer on Apr 2, 2009 11:27 AM
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my impression of Barak Obama was one of hope, change, hopefully a little independence of
thought and deed. I was ready to extend time and patience for the transition of President. This is not working, as I concluded with the team of economic advisers, Summers, Giethner, Volker,
keeping,but shuffelling, the same military advisers, Gates, Patraeous, etc......., maintaining the same aggressive stance in the middle east, giving the future of succeeding generations to thieves and con men, letting corporations have their way with our society.I have not seen any hope or change from this administration, just the same corporate controlled domination of the populace,
keeping control of the masses.
Now we are moving our military presence into Afghanistan, soon Pakistan, I was
hoping to see something other than an embracing of the status quo, but then I remembered that
our country elected a corporate candidate. I would hope that by this time the population would have awakened to the corporate shenanegans that have been so redundant throughout this
country's history, but then I thought about the collective attention span of America.
The time is ripe for us to stop the political complicit behavior, to adopt the Ralph Nader suggestion of a 1/10 of one percent tax on all stock transactions, to stop the sacrificing of this country's future to the perpetraitors of economic collapse.
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Posted by: Hoosier84 on Apr 2, 2009 12:07 PM
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-Doug Brooks
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Posted by: zbeckerd on Apr 2, 2009 12:12 PM
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This is always a dangerous proposition.
The problem with this and other past contracting is that you have multiple units operating independently of each other with no central command and control. I would refuse to operate in a world where there are independent operators with guns.
What TO DO???
A new model for contractor operations in a military theater. Military adoption of a ICS like theater of operations.
The US land management agencies and specifically fire suppression adopted the California Incident Command System (1984). Since that time it has been expanded for mandatory use by the entire US government emergency management.... Why because it works.
Under the ICS system there would only be one Commander in a area of operations. There would be a daily plan for all operations in the area. All units in the area would be briefed on the plan for that operational period. Everyone would have common communications. Under ICS the command of this operation would be a government employee (General). Any positions below that level can be persons who are qualified to do the work. Generally these people are active and retired government employees. The retired personnel are hired under a separate authority, but the essential fact is that while working they are Government employees.
Lower level functions such as firefighters (soldiers) are routinely contracted to work with government firefighters. They usually come with there own command (sqaud boss = sergeant? crew boss = Lieutenant?)
Higher level command is usually hired from a government entity, although less risky/smaller operations (type 3) can be fully contracted. Still they remain under government supervision at all times.
Leadership can and should include all of the Homeland Security paramilitray operations. This is a ideal method for these folds to get operational experience and for the military to have another source of available leader. It is important in this model to have everyone working in one organization with one command.
So bring back your retired seals, rangers, swat and policeman. Hire them as temporary government employees or contacted workers. But command must remain with a Incident Commander (General) and other leadership that is done by a public servant.
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Posted by: wewokaokie on Apr 3, 2009 8:58 AM
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How many I don't know.
But add that figure -- when you find out -- to our 40,000 troops already there, the 'surge' and 'trainers' (another 31,000) plus the Pentagon's recent request for another 10,000.
Let's make sure we use the e-word in discussing -
or protesting -- this ESCALATION.
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Posted by: KDelphi5950 on Apr 3, 2009 11:23 AM
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tell me--whats the diff in drowning out those who disagree with "
U.S. A." vs. "yes we can"?!
It was infuriating to true liberals who had to watch.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a differetn result. Dems/GOP---Tweedledumb and Tweedledumbass
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