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283 Bases, 170,000 Pieces of Equipment, 140,000 Troops, and an Army of Mercenaries: The Logistical Nightmare in Iraq

By Jeremy Scahill, AlterNet. Posted March 30, 2009.


Why you'll be paying for the occupation for years to come, withdrawal or not.
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With last week's announced escalation of the war in Afghanistan, including an Iraq-like "surge" replete with 4,000 more U.S. troops and a sizable increase in private contractors, President Barack Obama blew the lid off of any lingering perceptions that he somehow represents a significant change in how the U.S. conducts its foreign policy.

In the meantime, more reports have emerged that bolster suspicions that Obama's Iraq policy is but a downsized version of Bush's and that a total withdrawal of U.S. forces is not on the horizon.

In the latest episode of Occupation Rebranded, it was revealed that the administration intends to reclassify some combat forces as "advisory and assistance brigades." While Obama's administration is officially shunning the use of the term "global war on terror," the labels du jour, unfortunately, seem to be the biggest changes we will see for some time.

Underscoring this point is a report just released by the War Resisters League, which for decades has closely monitored the military budget, revealing how many tax dollars are actually going to the war machine. The WRL puts out its famous pie chart annually just before tax time as a reminder of what we are doing exactly when we file our returns. Noting that 51 percent of the federal budget goes to military spending, the WRL said it does "not expect the military percentage to change much" under Obama.

While Obama -- and public attention -- shifted foreign policy focus last week to Afghanistan, lost in the media blitz was another important report that examines how taxpayers will continue to pay for the Iraq occupation for years to come, withdrawal or not. This report, released in March by the U.S. Government Accountability Office, provides a sobering look at Obama's "massive and expensive" Iraq plan, identifying several crucial questions that have yet to be addressed.

Whether or not the Obama administration actually intends to withdraw U.S. forces from Iraq in numbers large enough to claim to be "ending the war" as many believe, this kind of official review of the U.S. reality in Iraq -- and the congressional oversight to which Obama will (or will not) be subjected in the coming months -- bears intense scrutiny.

First, there's the money. "Although reducing troops would appear to lower costs, GAO has seen from previous operations … that costs could rise in the near term," according to the 56-page report, which is titled "Iraq: Key Issues for Congressional Oversight."

In addition to the massive funds required to move tens of thousands of troops, the GAO points out that the Army estimates "it would cost $12 billion to $13 billion a year for at least two years after the operation ends to repair, replace and rebuild the equipment used in Iraq."

The cost of closing U.S. bases will also "likely be significant;" even after military units leave Iraq, the Pentagon will need to invest in training and equipment to return these units to levels capable of performing "full spectrum operations." (The GAO report does not even mention the costs of providing much-needed medical and mental health services to veterans.)

The Obama administration is likely to portray the costs of "withdrawing" from Iraq as a painful necessity made inevitable by the Bush administration. But there are already calls for Obama to not allocate any new funds for such an operation. Retired Army Col. Ann Wright, a veteran diplomat who reopened the U.S. embassy in Kabul after Sept. 11 (and, while in the military, worked on plans for an Iraq invasion), says, "Everyone in the Department of Defense -- military and civilian -- knows well the expense of going to war and the expense of bringing troops back to the United States.

"DOD has plenty of money to withdraw equipment and personnel and no doubt has had monies specifically for that purpose built into its budgets for years. The Congress should not provide additional funding for withdrawal, but instead require DOD to use existing allocations."


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Jeremy Scahill, an independent journalist who reports frequently for the national radio and TV program Democracy Now, has spent extensive time reporting from Iraq and Yugoslavia. He is currently a Puffin Writing Fellow at The Nation Institute. Scahill is the author of Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army.

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Suckered Again!!
Posted by: Jaipurr on Mar 30, 2009 2:01 AM   
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Well, it didn't take long did it? Didn't take long to learn that the world, not only the US had been suckered into believing that THIS TIME there would be real change! THIS TIME we had a president who would get the fuck out of places his country has no right to be. THIS TIME, we had someone who would stand against the war-mongers and the imperialists.
Do you feel disappointed? I feel desperately so as it becomes more and more apparent that Bush may be gone but his policies linger on
Sooner or later we, the people, are going to have to set the agenda and impose a society that will truly do what is right, moral and just.
Obama is just another tool of the establishment. He may use different weasel words, but his fundamental agenda is unchanged from that of Bush.
Let no-one believe that anything has undergone any sort of transformation. Those with the power and wealth will not let it go. Sooner or later we must take it from them.

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» While we were sleeping Posted by: weathered
» RE: Suckered Again!! Posted by: Erin
» Not all of us were suckers. Posted by: JenniferBedingfield
» New Management , Same policy . Posted by: Kahoneez
It's a real dilemma.
Posted by: folkie on Mar 30, 2009 2:21 AM   
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With more and more people being laid off by the thousands every month, it isn't easy to find jobs. With millions more Americans due to be foreclosed on and evicted, and the homeless shelters already overflowing, our system won't be able to cope with large numbers of returning veterans, many of whom won't be able to find jobs and housing.

The private contractors make good money, but they're accustomed to living large and to raping and killing with impunity, so they might not make the most desirable neighbors.

Justifying an illegal invasion by saying that we're already there so we can't just leave, never made sense to me, and I've said from the beginning that every moment we remain where we have no business being in the first place, just makes things worse and costs us more.

I guess the Iraq war is like the bailouts--it is too big to fail even if it has already failed and has no chance of success whatsoever. We have to keep pumping money into it because the war profiteers and their cronies are the ones making the decisions.

Think of what we could have done if we'd gotten our peace dividend when the Soviet Union fell. Years later, when the Pentagon announced that a few trillion dollars was lost, missing, and (due to a total lack of oversight) could not be accounted for, it was such a drop in the bucket, such small chump change in relation to overall defense spending, that nobody even made a fuss about it.

Yup, we're screwed.

And we're the lucky ones. Compared to the Iraqis, we're living in a paradise on earth. That might change if we suddenly brought home a bunch of people whose only job skill was killing innocent people. On the other hand, we're not innocent--we knew what we were doing, so we deserve whatever we've got coming.

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» RE: It's a real dilemma. Posted by: nobuko
» September 10, 2001 - Posted by: LeftWright
Reminder: Obama stole the nomination
Posted by: Perry Logan on Mar 30, 2009 2:37 AM   
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Now might be a good time to recall that Obama is not the candidate the voters wanted.

That candidate was Hillary Clinton, who received more votes than Obama, and would have undoubedtly been a far better President.

Unfortunately for the country, Obama's people will be competent, as they fix the neocons into permanent power.

I started worrying when Obama's primary campaign descended to the depths of sleaze. Real Democrats don't run smear campaigns.

Look for Jeb Bush in 2012. You heard it here first.

Magic Book

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» Jeb Bush in 2012... Posted by: leafsong1
» I heard it already Posted by: Beck
We had a choice
Posted by: jbro434 on Mar 30, 2009 2:53 AM   
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In the year leading up to the elections of 2004, Dennis Kucinich stood before the American people and spoke the truth. I remember being told how I was wasting my vote and that he was completely unelectable. To hell with the truth, we need someone who can beat Bush, I was told. So the powers that be gave America John Kerry as the choice. Former war hero, tough talking, blah blah blah. Well, that did not do the trick either. Four more years and further deterioration of the fabric of the country. 2006 rolls around and the Dems take over and then procede to roll over. The agenda was to hold on with no sudden changes until we have our chance to win the big prize. Once again, the truth was being told by Dennis Kucinich and the country ignored and often ridiculed the man for his shortness, his ears, blah blah, blah. On the right, there was a revolution going on and Ron Paul was gaining acceptance, often polling very high in the numbers amongst registered voters. But mysteriously, when it came down to counting votes, he was down at 1-3 % when he had been in the teens. So, McCain was propped up even after being bashed by the talk radio and right wing rags and given the keys to the future of the party. The Dems chose the most charismatic of the bunch who probably won for as much as the boneheaded choice of Palin than anything. Sure, his CHANGE message attracted a young, energized crowd to the polls and even I, jaded and worn out by the schemming and plotting of the two faced one body party system, felt a cautious glimmer of hope. Then all hell broke loose. Tired Clinton retreads including Miss Clinton herself began filling the posts and the curious choice of Gates blew me away completely. Now the backpeddling has started. The promises are being broken and the wars go on. We will be in Iraq for a long time. We will be in Afghanistan using the same tactics. Obama's fault? Not completely. The blame is at the feet of the ones who started the wars, the cheerleaders who egged it on by putting ribbons on the cars and buying flags for the occasion as if we were ready to play the Super Bowl, the corporate media who wanted this to go down so they could broadcast the big game and the politicians who treated it all like a hot potato when it was tossed around for the past 6 years.
We have serious questions to be answered on what really happened on 9 11 and it is being treated like a UFO or Bigfoot sighting by the media. Even the Kucinich and Paul camps have been silent. If either one were to put this in front of the American people they would be ridden out of town as being tin foil hat wearing clowns. The country is wounded and bleeding in the waiting room and we are engaged in costly adventures abroad that need diplomacy and not more money and lives. It is the American way, however, to fight and die even if the cause is wrong and it has been the way for a long time.
The people who voted for Obama need to bitch him out. He might listen. Me, I doubt it. The time to do it is now. Get out of Iraq, now not later. Now.

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» RE: We had a choice Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: We have to build an honest party Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: We had a choice Posted by: dustdevil
» RE: We had a choice Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: I have watched Morning Joe . . . Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: We had a choice Posted by: Basenjis
» RE: We had a choice Posted by: Erin
» RE: We are a choice Posted by: Sister_Lauren
syed salamah ali mahdi
Posted by: salamah on Mar 30, 2009 2:56 AM   
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I have no problems with this 'report' and its conclusions as long as 'international' readers, like me, understand that it has been written from an American perspective and for Americans. However, some of the facts and figures in it, are very disturbing and cause for serious concern outside the US, particularly in Iraq, and internationally. The number of US bases, the numbers of men/women and cash, required to man, run and maintain these installations is one major concern.If the Iraqis will be made to pay for this, they will be selling their crude simply to pay such costs till Kingdom come which I believe is what was intended from Day 1. My second concern is the continued use of American/foreign 'contractors' who will not be subject to Iraqi Laws. My third concern is the 'total freedom' that the US will have on their use of such bases specially on how far these bases could be put to 'use', outside Iraq, in pursuit of the imperial interests of America. My other concerns have been dealt with by the author of this op-ed piece/ report. Finally, this report or op-ed contribution confirms that the March 2003 invasion and occupation of Iraq, were DEFINITELY NOT for the reasons marketed by the 'snake oil seller' regime of George Bush Jr! The real reasons are on the ground in Iraq for all to see and understand. That Obama's regime does not know and understand all this is 'unbelievable'. That Obama's regime does not see and understand that a similar fate awaits Afghanistan and Pakistan, if he executes what he is promising to do, which will result in a greater backlash from Afghans and Pakistanis than the one faced by America in Iraq, is more unbelievable! Plus, it might just happen that on their way to Af-Pak or on their way back, the American Hordes might bow to the wishes of the Israel government within America, I mean their war pimps, and invade Iran just as they did on their way to Afghanistan. Sometimes, when I am totally frustrated with America, I wish they do so because this would guarantee a whopping end of the ugly Pax Americana which flies the Star-of-David-between-two-rivers flag, the two being Mississipi Missouri and Yangtse Yang and not the Nile and the Euphrates, as many interpret it to be!

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» Obama regime? Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: Obama regime? Posted by: robert.noll
» RE: Obama regime? Posted by: leafsong1
» Just curious, leafsong1... Posted by: LeftWright
Jeremy, We'll be there for decades because you and Amy won't tell us the truth about 9/11!
Posted by: pfgetty on Mar 30, 2009 3:02 AM   
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More than anyone else, you and Amy Goodman could change the whole course of history by finally exposing the truth of 9/11..........that it was an inside job.
The proof is there. Just have many shows exposing the evidence that Steven Jones and Richard Gage and Kevin Ryan and David Ray Griffin and others have presented after years of work. The American people would finally understand the reality and demand a change in course. Muslims the world over would rejoice. Our troops would come home, our bases would be abandoned, and the work of bringing America back to its moral standing in the world would begin. The hatred between Christian and Islamic nations would diminish.

Jeremy, you and Amy could do it. What an opportunity.
But you won't do it. You will continue to report and expose all of the crimes and horrors that have come from 9/11, without exposing the lies of 9/11. Why? We don't know. You and Amy and Juan all avoid the issue.
Seven and a half years, and not one good expose' about the piles and piles of evidence of 9/11 truth:
The FACT that the buildings came down via controlled demolition.
The FACT that the alleged hijackers were anything but deeply religious and instead were hard drinking, prostituting, druggies.
The FACTS about the Mossad involvement.
The FACT that there was no airplane parts at the PA site.
The MANY FACTS about the Pentagon crash that are proven to be contradictions of the official story.
and SO MUCH MORE!

Please, Jeremy. You have been brave in your reporting. Be the first alternative journalist with the courage to tackle the most important issue of all time.
Our future depends on it.

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» RE: Now 911 is legal ! Posted by: nismx
» Limited ambition Posted by: brunowe
» weathered - I think you mean ... Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: Limited ambition Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Limited ambition Posted by: EncinoM
Judy Miller ovulates
Posted by: weathered on Mar 30, 2009 3:06 AM   
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Wolfowitz licks the 10w 40 off his comb and a all the oil we stole can't pay for the VA bills.

America was essentially killed on 9/11
Our spirit got crushed in it own rubble, only to be placed on a MSM life support system of Lies. Enjoy.

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» gitarBill breaks a string Posted by: weathered
Phil Weiss: Rick Steves makes common liberal error re Iran war advocates
Posted by: ExposeTheIsraelLobby on Mar 30, 2009 4:02 AM   
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by Philip Weiss - March 29, 2009

Yesterday I caught part of PBS travel guru Rick Steves's wonderful trip to Iran on television. His whole message was great, till he spoke of "family values" in Iran. That's why people support the Islamic republic, he said, they have traditional family values and don't want their children to grow up to be Britney Spears. That strikes me as true. Then he said, Isn't it ironic that the people in this country who are the hottest to attack Iran are the ones who support traditional family values, too?

This is an error, and it speaks to the lack of logic on the left about the "war on terror." The people who want to bomb Iran are almost invariably supporters of Israel, and most of them are Jewish neocons. Elliott Abrams and Joshua Muravchik, for instance, who argued for bombing Iran at the University of Virginia the other day. They are not family-values types. They are the Israel lobby. The Conference of Presidents and AIPAC have hawkish policies re Iraq. It is extremely uncomfortable for liberals to say as much, because it involves speaking of some Jews as an important political force in American life and this goes against our training, Jews are liberals, anti-semitism is a prevalent factor, etc. Until liberals correct their analysis, the neocons will continue to find havens. You can't counter a war party if you cannot identify its members.

philipweiss.org - blogging daily all things Neocon, Israel Lobby, Zionism

Listen to Phil discuss the war for Israel agenda:
antiwar.com/radio/2008/07/12/philip-weiss/
antiwar.com/radio/2009/03/18/philip-weiss-2/

Phil's articles for The Nation and The American Conservative:
Ferment Over the Israel Lobby
Blogging about Israel and Jewish identity

Please pass along these links and help spread Phil's message!

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» RE: Said it for years... Posted by: Cybershaman
» RE: Said it for years... Posted by: Basenjis
» Elliot Abrams is a monster Posted by: pfgetty
Phil Weiss: Rick Steves makes common liberal error re Iran war advocates
Posted by: ExposeTheIsraelLobby on Mar 30, 2009 4:02 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
by Philip Weiss - March 29, 2009

Yesterday I caught part of PBS travel guru Rick Steves's wonderful trip to Iran on television. His whole message was great, till he spoke of "family values" in Iran. That's why people support the Islamic republic, he said, they have traditional family values and don't want their children to grow up to be Britney Spears. That strikes me as true. Then he said, Isn't it ironic that the people in this country who are the hottest to attack Iran are the ones who support traditional family values, too?

This is an error, and it speaks to the lack of logic on the left about the "war on terror." The people who want to bomb Iran are almost invariably supporters of Israel, and most of them are Jewish neocons. Elliott Abrams and Joshua Muravchik, for instance, who argued for bombing Iran at the University of Virginia the other day. They are not family-values types. They are the Israel lobby. The Conference of Presidents and AIPAC have hawkish policies re Iraq. It is extremely uncomfortable for liberals to say as much, because it involves speaking of some Jews as an important political force in American life and this goes against our training, Jews are liberals, anti-semitism is a prevalent factor, etc. Until liberals correct their analysis, the neocons will continue to find havens. You can't counter a war party if you cannot identify its members.

philipweiss.org - blogging daily all things Neocon, Israel Lobby, Zionism

Listen to Phil discuss the war for Israel agenda:
antiwar.com/radio/2008/07/12/philip-weiss/
antiwar.com/radio/2009/03/18/philip-weiss-2/

Phil's articles for The Nation and The American Conservative:
Ferment Over the Israel Lobby
Blogging about Israel and Jewish identity

Please pass along these links and help spread Phil's message!

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dipconsult
Posted by: dipconsult on Mar 30, 2009 4:50 AM   
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It's far too early to start blaming Obama for not going about 'fixing' the two "Vietnams" (in Afghanistan and Iraq) that we and others predicted in 2002 would result from a go-it-alone invasion of Iraq.

As we and other witnesses saw in Vietnam, extrication is all the more difficult if one went in without an exit strategy - and Bush intended the US to stay in Iraq in one form or another.

Two things Americans must come to realise:-

1. The "surge" hasn't ended the spectre of a "Vietnam" in Iraq - it has merely bought some much needed time. There remains a possibility of catastrophic collapse accompanying American withdrawal.

2. The neo-conservative dream of a unipolar "New American Century" died the day Bush occupied Iraq. After 8 years of Bush, the world sees clearly what many Americans still don't - that the US is on its knees now, both militarily and financially. The prerequisite for international cooperation is America's abandonment (albeit tacit) of Bush style imperialism.

Fortunately the signs are that Obama knows this full well and will do all he can to lead the world towards the era of cooperation which became possible after the Cold War ended. He also appears to recognise that the widest possible internaional help will be needed to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan without unacceptable loss.

Both Afghanistan and Iraq have one thing going for them - virtually every country has a major interest in their stabilisation and their denial to those who would use them as a platform for terrorism or other forms of confrontation.

This means that a major exemplary diplomatic campaign has the potential to get together major and minor powers (from the EU, Russia & China to Iran, Pakistan and the Arab countries) to focus immense pressure in favour of the stabilisation of the whole Asian region from the Indian frontier west to Lebanon, and from Turkey south to N. Africa.

A starting point has to be the resolution of Israel/Palestine. The Obama administration knows this - but is Obama prepared to risk his "political capital" to overcome America's pro Israel opposition sufficently to force the Israelis to remove the bulk of their illegal settlements? That is of course the sine qua non for a viable two state solution.

Certainly the US cannot seek a two state solution as the first step in all-area stabilisation without EU support. But can the EU even at this moment of crisis, get a unified policy just on Israel/Palestine to support, and a times even lead, the US towards resolving Israel/Palestine?

If Europe and America begin really to act together, the other states - including Russia and China - have sufficient national interest in real overall regional stabilisation to join in over starting this by curing the decades long runnning sore of Israel/Palestine, so opening the way to real cooperation for such ambitious but essential stabilisaation.

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» RE: dip Posted by: leafsong1
Shouda, coulda, did
Posted by: linecrosser on Mar 30, 2009 5:55 AM   
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Voted for Dr. Ron Paul

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CtheB
Posted by: C the B on Mar 30, 2009 6:16 AM   
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GET THE FUCK OUT !!!

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Money
Posted by: ZealandRules on Mar 30, 2009 6:40 AM   
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LOL< hey its only money right, NBD.

RT
Privacy Center

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The Founding Fathers
Posted by: robert.noll on Mar 30, 2009 7:17 AM   
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This is why the Founding Fathers did not call for a standing army. If you have one you will be tempted to use and abuse it. Eisenhower was a genius. Who knew?

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» RE: Eisenhower Posted by: Cybershaman
JT Barrie
Posted by: rimchamp77 on Mar 30, 2009 7:47 AM   
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Some pundits may dispute the 51% figure. They will add in dedicated revenue funds like Social Security and Medicare to inflate the budget pie. War is socialism for big business with contract spending on a cost plus and spare no expense basis. They are given out to the biggest because no one else is big enough to handle the contracts for military conflicts that have NOTHING to do with our security.

Support our Troops is an empty slogan meant to tug on heartstrings for troops put in danger by reckless foreign policy and only applies to the morons in charge. Once troops are off the battlefield they are screwed out of necessary care and are disproportionately homeless and unemployed upon return. However, profit margins for those companies on military welfare are HUGE. Let the gravy train roll!

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» RE: Let the gravy train roll! Posted by: Sister_Lauren
We can worry about Iraqi drinking water after we leave
Posted by: leafsong1 on Mar 30, 2009 7:56 AM   
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The article quotes without question numerous unnamed DOD officials on the subject of what a withdrawal would take in terms of time and money. An assertion that DOD officials are well aware of the value of a taxpayer dollar is reprinted without any hint of mirth. Is the author familiar with the DOD at all? A withdrawal from Iraq would take mere weeks and would cost a small fraction of the cost of continuing the occupation for that period. The key concepts are: 1) leaving stuff behind, and 2) staging materials just over the border in Kuwait until transport can be arranged. A large base would only take eighteen months to dismantle if you want to rip up the tarmac and ship it back to the states. We could even kill two birds with one stone by giving the Iraqis the abandoned equipment in lieu of the massive reparation/reconstruction payments they deserve. There is no rebuilding in Iraq that requires the presence of Americans. WITHDRAW NOW!

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Why should it take any longer to withdraw than it took to invade?
Posted by: WhatNow? on Mar 30, 2009 7:57 AM   
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All it takes is the order to withdraw. It could be done in two months or six months at most. Can you do it Obomber? Yes you can! Will you? I doubt it. You're just puppet for imperialists.

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war bankrupts nations
Posted by: TrollTreason on Mar 30, 2009 8:08 AM   
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thats the feds plan

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The problem is that mercenaries provide a false sense of "security" and the public takes the bait.
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Mar 30, 2009 8:09 AM   
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Just this past weekend, I came across a rightwinger who preferred to sympathize with mercenaries while having no regard for the innocent Afghan civilians especially the women and children. It's bad enough that the Afghan women and children are sitting through Taliban and warlord hell thanks to the US government funding these terrorist organizations and to add insult to the injury, the mercenaries are nothing but about money and amorality. And then the US wonders why they hate us to death !

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Iraqis Love Their Humvees
Posted by: Lilly on Mar 30, 2009 8:34 AM   
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See article on front page of today's New York Times: Iraqis have fallen in love with Humvees. Baghdad now has the biggest Humvee dealership outside of the United States.

GW Bush fought the Iraq War to spread American values. If 4000 Americans died so that Iraqis could drive Humvees, "If this is as it ought to be,/ My God, I leave it unto Thee".

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"The Army and Navy forever"
Posted by: willymack on Mar 30, 2009 8:58 AM   
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"Hooray for the Red, White, and Blue".
These are the words at the end of the second stanza of the song"Columbia the gem of the ocean". Army and Navy forever? Really? Military in our lives for all time? Seems rather silly for anyone who realizes ALL things must come to an end at some point.
It seems that for every generation, SOME arch-villian emerges to scare the pants off everyone and rally the nation around our military establishment. Ours is no exception.
The difference this time around is that the propaganda machine (lying press, etc.) has been trumped by an unforseen development, and that is the Internet. Anyone who has any kind of memory KNOWS that the once free press is no longer, and that the truth is available only to those who have a computer and Internet access. If the Internet could've been destroyed by the bush crime family, you can bet it WOULD'VE. The Internet has grown into an international force, and no one government can destroy it. Block it from us maybe, but NOT destroy it.
So, here we have a repository of the accumulated knowlege and wisdom of humankind-updated daily- at our fingertips, and with the potential for transforming the world into a place where we no longer have to pay through the nose for something we probably never needed, and has been nothing but a force for corruption, waste death, and destruction, for most people, and a cash cow for a select few. How do we bring this transformation about? My belief is that it will start HERE, on this site and others like it. It's GOT to; we won't survive as a nation otherwise. I can dream, can't I?

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Oh, hell no. I'm not paying for this shit.
Posted by: kaelieh on Mar 30, 2009 10:15 AM   
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This is precisely why I am moving the hell out of this country and denouncing my citizenship once I get it somewhere else. The IRS can kiss my ass if they think I'm going to help fund the military-industrial-congressional complex and the Federal Reserve. No effing way.

We are going to become post-WWI Germany (google it if you don't know what I mean) and it's going to get bad, very bad.

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WHEN WORLDS COLLIDE
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Mar 30, 2009 11:29 AM   
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East is east and west is west and we are two very different cultures. Nobody's better than anyone else, just different. While I believe that they envy certain things about us, they are unwilling to break with their old traditions. Religion is engrained in every aspect of their lives. Our form of democracy is not the way they want to live. No matter how long we stay in Iraq/Afganistan we will be intruders. No one can tell me that seeing all this military hardware and watching unmanned drones overhead make them feel all warm and fuzzy. They may very well want the Taliban out and I guess that's the plan. But they put their private citizens at great risk. I wonder if they're convinced that it's all worth it.

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It's a nightmare because we never should have been there
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Mar 30, 2009 11:50 AM   
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The Bush family Vendetta has cost us more in human lives than any Mafia hit ever could. To keep this farce going just proves what we've known all along...all we want is their oil. To move it into Afghanistan is even more bullshit. The people we now call 'enemy' used to be our 'friends' when they danced to DC's tune. We made the problems in the Middle East and Iran, Iraq and N. korea by our worthless foriegn policies that play both ends against the middle.

Just think about what got attacked in 9/11. It was the world's financial handlers and their enforcement arm, the very people we give trillions of our tax dollars to. The very people that should be cut off from those funds.

Yes Iraq is a nightmare but so is living in the US. Obama hates the poor,the working poor, folks on disability and anyone that believes marijuana is better for you than cigarettes and booze. Seems the dumb bastard really wants most of us to die using their dangerous drugs,booze and smokes. FUCK YOU!!!,I say.

If all the money you gave to the greed machine was given to the people the economy would have been turned around before the first quarter was over. But you didn't you spent it on your greedyass friends,a military action that will only bring more heartache to Americans and more 'enemies' around the World than we already have.

Sorry Barry but your republican ass licking is showing. Maybe you should have been raised in the projects,then you might be in touch with the very people you're sending off to die for NO AMERICAN FREEDOM.

It's not too late....take off that stupid suit,put on some jeans and a T-shirt and go into the homeless vets shelters or any homeless shelter...for a month. Feel the misery you create,live with the real hopelessness you're giving the people. Maybe then you'll be able to pry that elephant out of your ass, stop all wars and start taking care of the people, not the millionaires and billionaire corpies,like you've been doing and prove you're...at least...HUMAN

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» Just curious, jeffrey7 ... Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: Just curious, jeffrey7 ... Posted by: jeffrey7
How many more hundreds of billions of dollars will be sunk into this quagmire?
Posted by: Garvagh on Mar 30, 2009 3:39 PM   
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Time to start pulling US forces out, month by month, so that all are out of Iraq within a year or so. This adventure has made for a colossal pay day, pay month, pay year, for the private contractors feeding off this idiotic scheme. Iraq will find its own stability after the US gets out entirely.

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The Hundred-Year War
Posted by: eosrk on Mar 30, 2009 4:09 PM   
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...it's reality. Get used to it! and it's all Bush's fault!!!!! ALL OF IT!!!!!

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» RE: The Hundred-Year War Posted by: ds1st
winning?
Posted by: om7buss on Mar 30, 2009 4:56 PM   
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what is the country (or group of people) who wins in this iraqi war as all wars that we spent our blood,tears, and lives?. wwi and wwii 100,000,000 white europeans were killed with 536,000 americans in it; but we only hear in the news every single day the 6% of jew that claim their sadness after 60 years; and also germany has to pay to israel several billions a year, why?; we also have to pay to israel 3,000,000,000.00 (3 billion) to 5 billion a year why?...www.henrybook.com

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A sliver of justice
Posted by: phindrup on Mar 30, 2009 5:31 PM   
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You know, the least tarnished bit of news is that the US is eventually going to have to bring home all of those who have been taught that it is alright to steal, rape murder and torture the defenceless; people who on top of the conditioning are even more mentally damage than the conditioning would have made them.
Instead of being greeted like heros, they are going to be shunned, be unable to find work, to join the already hundreds of thousands of the returned living homeless on the streets. Some will suicide, but others with turn to what they were taught, what they have become, but now it will be your women, your kids.

Nowhere near justice, but for as long as I live, as the economic conditions worsen, as your system falls apart and the frustration of these homeless, unemployable demented people that your system taught to expect power and money as a right run rampant, I will rejoice.

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bluebama II
Posted by: bluebama II on Mar 30, 2009 6:00 PM   
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Turning the Iraq Oil War around is like turning around a destroyer. It takes time. I am a liberal Democrat and lots of folks are raving about Obama deceiving them. Things change. I don't want any troops left or renamed but we have to keep pressuring them to leave. They will leave and American Big Oil will steal the oil contracts they covet. More will die and the American military, not unlike the caps will reach a tipping point and collapse like a black hole into more isolationism. Count on it. What should concern you is the deployment of an infintry division in America, the construction of mass detention centers and the absolute scorching of our rights like privacy. Start by stopping the F-35. The last country to attacke us not using our planes was Japan and the last country my former air force attacked which actually had an air force to fight back may have been Korea. Restructuring the Pentagon and pulling parasites off the second largest oil reserve on the planet will not be easy. They're force feeding. Have a nice, nice day.

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tokerdesigner
Posted by: tokerdesigner on Mar 30, 2009 6:22 PM   
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Getting all that equipment out of Iraq or turned over to peaceful uses there is likely to be less contentious, and hazardous to personnel than invading was, or guarding and patrolling is. Therefore we can try some peaceful, labor-intensive methods of extricating our assets.

1. Recruit jobless persons from around our country and a half million or so jobless Mexicans who want to immigrate to the US, ship them to Iraq and give them grunt jobs loading and tying and hauling etc. Iraqis will probably treat them well as they are there to achieve the longed-for withdrawal of occupation forces. The job will get done on the cheap.

2. As a reward, the Mexicans will get U.S. residency and working rights and the jobless recruits will get counseling and placement in advantageous employment on return to U.S., along with benefits similar to those of veterans.

3. Many of the facilities can be turned over to a multilateral staffing where U.S., Mexican etc. workers on one hand and Iraqis on the other will jointly administer the site and convert it into peaceful uses.

4. By the way, idea # 3 also applies to Israel/Palestine where the long-disputed "settlements" need not be destroyed but instead made into international enterprises where Israeli and Arab young people work together as did the 19-year-olds in Daniel Barenboim's Ost-
west-Divan Symphony Orchestra.

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» RE: tokerdesigner Posted by: Basenjis
If we truly wanted change
Posted by: wormfarmer on Mar 30, 2009 9:49 PM   
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it's not too late to recall Obama and replace him with Nader.

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villager
Posted by: villager1 on Mar 31, 2009 4:03 AM   
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The amazing part of all this is that in cases such as Zimbabwe where unknown atrocities have and do occur everyday the USA shows little interest, but Iraq remains the hub of interest. Someone has to stop lying about the true concern of the USA where it comes to being the Big Brother! Obama cannot and will not serve the American people well. May the planet be saved from these self serving frauds.

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HA! Obots thought they elected JFK and what they got was LBJ
Posted by: xbj on Apr 2, 2009 11:39 AM   
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And by the time this is all over, they'll be praying for Lee Harvey Oswald and Poppy Bush's CIA-issue rifle.

Tried to tell ya...

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