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Why Is a Progressive Think Tank Telling Obama to Escalate the War in Afghanistan?

By Tom Hayden, Huffington Post. Posted March 27, 2009.


It is deeply disappointing that the Center for American Progress has issued a call for a 10-year war in Afghanistan.
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The Center for American Progress has positioned itself as a "progressive" Washington think tank, especially suited to channel new thinking and expertise into the Obama administration. It therefore is deeply disappointing that CAP has issued a call for a ten-year war in Afghanistan, including an immediate military escalation, just as President Obama prepares to unveil his Afghanistan/Pakistan policies to the American public and NATO this week.

It is likely that Obama will follow most of CAP's strategic advice, assuming the think tank to be the progressive wing of what's possible within the Beltway.

That means a long counter-insurgency war ahead, with everything from massive incarcerations and detention to Predator strikes that amass increasing civilian casualties. CAP begins by calling on the president to meet the request of his commander in Afghanistan for another 15,000 troops in addition to the 17,000 Obama already has committed, which would bring the near-term US total to 70,000. To pay for these additional troops, CAP proposes redirecting $25 billion annually from combat in Iraq to Afghanistan. In addition, CAP favors up to $5 billion annually for diplomatic and economic assistance, also from a redirection of Iraq spending.

Even assuming the economic assistance reaches villages instead of corrupt middlemen, CAP's primary emphasis is a military one, sending larger numbers of American troops on a counterinsurgency mission in southern and eastern Afghanistan, as well as the outskirts of Kabul. Make no mistake, the American mission will be to fight, kill and capture, and, is intended to leave NATO allies in secondary training roles. The CAP proposal seems to flesh out the Obama strategy already described in a New York Times January 28 headline, "Aides Say Obama's Afghan Aims Elevate War Over Development." The CAP report calculates that in FY 2009, "the ration of funding for military forces versus non-military international engagement is 18 to 1."

There is no exit strategy contemplated in the CAP proposal, although the president apparently is been asking for one behind the scenes. Nor is there any projected cap on future escalation The CAP timeline, front-loaded with military force, is as fanciful about Afghanistan/Pakistan as the neo-conservatives were towards Iraq in the Nineties:

  • In the next 18 months, a combat/counterinsurgency push to prevent Afghanistan from being a "safe haven for terrorist and extremist groups with a global reach"; prevent the destabilization of Pakistan by creating "a stable civilian government committed to working toward the elimination of terrorist safe havens" there.
  • In three to five years, create a "viable Afghan economy", curb the poppy trade, promote democracy and human rights, and resolve regional tensions.
  • In ten years, build an Afghan state that can defend itself, and "prepare for full military withdrawal."

As a practical matter, all that is certain is that there will be blood. When the problem is a nail, reach for the hammer. But military occupation, particularly a surge of US troops into the Pashtun region in southern Afghanistan and Pakistan, is the surest way to inflame nationalist resistance and greater support for the Taliban. President Hamid Karzai said last December that "the coalition went around Afghan villages, burst into people's homes and has been committing extraditional killings in our country." A United Nations investigator made the same point in 2008, accusing the CIA and Special Forces "of conducting nighttime raids and killing civilians in Afghanistan with impunity." Pakistan's prime minister said the same years that "if America wants to see itself clean of terrorists, we also want that our villages and towns should not be bombed." As a January 2009 report by the Carnegie Endowment concluded, "the only meaningful way to halt the insurgency's momentum is to start withdrawing troops. The presence of foreign troops is the most important element driving the resurgence of the Taliban."


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Tom Hayden was a leader of the student, civil rights, peace and environmental movements of the 1960s. He served 18 years in the California legislature, where he chaired labor, higher education and natural resources committees. He is the author of ten books, including "Street Wars" (New Press, 2004). He is a professor at Occidental College, Los Angeles, and was a visiting fellow at Harvard's Institute of Politics last fall.

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The Afpak Quagmire?
Posted by: writerman on Mar 27, 2009 12:53 AM   
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Increasingly, it's becoming impossible to separate the conflict in Afghanistan from the looming conflict with Pakistan. Put bluntly, the United States is destabilizing Pakistan and pushing it towards chaos. Pakistan is a country with a young, growing, population of over 175 million people; a country held together by its army and intelligence services, a country that defines itself as a nation under threat, a natiion born through conflict.

The Obama adminstrations strategy for dealing with Pakistan, is insane.

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» RE: The Afpak Quagmire? Posted by: Dr. P. Mooney
Shame on the Center for American Progress ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Mar 27, 2009 2:14 AM   
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This is indeed a shameful but also highly ignorant position.

That CAP can't find the road to peace reeks of an immoral political accommodation.

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» The reason I voted for Obama Posted by: woodford54
» Speaking of chess pieces Posted by: aonghus36
» RE: The reason I voted for Obama Posted by: peacefullaim1
Obama , chosen for the next phase .
Posted by: Kahoneez on Mar 27, 2009 2:19 AM   
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It started during the campaign , when I heard the absurd claim by Obama , " bush took his eyes off the ball in Afghanistan "
In my opinion this was a calculated and devious claim ,in order to manufacture consent for an escalation of fighting in A. and many liberals bought into the propaganda , bcs it was framed to seemingly put bush down , at the same time and no doubt the escalation was planned for some time . In Steps Obama , who's going to put keep his eyes on the ball , by withdrawing troops in Iraq , and sending more to Afghanistan, which was probably the plan all the while , but the Bush/Cheney Regime didn't count on the forceful resistant form the Iraqis, besides any occupation wants to control a country with the fewest troops needed , to march on to further conquest .

And the expansion of the war into Pakistan was obviously planned long before Obama took office and actually the Bush Regime has done a lot ( damage too ) in Afghanistan , killing over 10,000 civilians , creating several huge bases , creating prisons , secret prisons , check points , installing a puppet Pres . ( CIA assest and UNOCAL Rep. KARZAI )who signed an OIL pipeline deal with Pakistan and Turkmenistan , and many experts say the HUGE increase in OPIUM production is no accident , given the Taliban's previous successful eradication of the crop .
So this claim by Obama , " bush took his eyes off the ball " is ludicrous . Is it going we'll , of course not , what occupation does , especially Afghanistan and is Obama claiming this is HIS plan for the region , you got to be kidding . This was in the works for a long time by the Pentagon , subdue the Resistance in Iraq , send more troops to A. and increase the attacks on Pakistan and oh by the way , Professor Michel Chossudovsky an expert of the region says that there is a plan to break up Pakistan , grap control of region with nukes , and pivot against the separated regions , to kill ANYBODY , Tribal resistance ; " terrorists " ; anybody who dares challenge the U.S.'s bloody and criminal attempt to control the region .
And you think Obama came up with the escalation of troops and other plans , during the election and increase attacks on Pakistan . haha , He sat down w/ the Pentagon and Cheney Reps . they laid out the plan and he said ...No problem , as along as the people are so impressed with my jump shot , I can do this .
Bottom line , Obama supports the idea of occupation of both countries and he's just next inline , to continue the Bloody U.S. foreign policy in the region and elsewhere , being his roots , AFRICA . Homey knows the U.S. is attacking Somalia w/ gunships , supporting Ethiopian military killing and raping in Somalia , kidnapping people to send to secret prisons , building bases in Africa , under the guise of humanitarian support , taken over by (under bush ) ........the U.S. military .
Is homey going to defend his peeps? , naw.

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Let's face it: we are in Afghanistan because of the 9/11 Fairytale. Alternet could change this.
Posted by: pfgetty on Mar 27, 2009 2:54 AM   
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The whole reason given for why we were originally invading and conquering and occupying Afghanistan is because the Taliban allowed al Qaeda to organize the 9/11 attacks against us. The American people wanted revenge, and wanted security so that there would not be more attacks.
This is all a bunch of lies, though.
Anyone who has looked closely at the events of 9/11, the coverup, the inconsistencies and contradictions of the official story, will realize that 9/11 was an inside job, used precisely to do just what we have done........build our bases and continue to take over Middle Eastern countries.
To quickly ensure that the American people demand that we get out of Afghanistan and Iraq and return our troops home Alternet should expose the lies of 9/11 to the American people, beginning a process that would stimulate the rest of alternative media into doing the same and eventually making Americans aware of the reality of 9/11.......that 9/11 didn't come about because of Middle Eastern Islamic terrorists........it came about because it was a false flag operation by our own government, used for propaganda.

But Alternet does NOT want to expose the truth. It has been seven and a half years, and there has not been any attempt to ensure that Alternet readers are made aware of 9/11 truth. Alternet has obviously self censored itself about 9/11, as this is the biggest story probably of all time, and it has ignored it completely.
Alternet could change the world. For some reason, threats or pressures or whatever, it has decided not to.
And we will all suffer because of it.

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» ROFLMAO Posted by: EncinoM
» Wonderful post, Jbro. Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: Wonderful post, Jbro. Posted by: techcafe
» Great article, EM. Posted by: GuitarBill
» Now you're spamming straw, GB? Posted by: LeftWright
» More assertions with NO SOURCES. Posted by: LeftWright
» So, where are you sources? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Hugo Bachmann, PhD - Posted by: LeftWright
» Let's Face It... Posted by: jooljetkmae
» Can you read? Posted by: GuitarBill
» Can you read? Posted by: GuitarBill
» The question stands, GB: Posted by: LeftWright
» Oh, shut up, @ss. Posted by: GuitarBill
General Smedley Butler said it in the 1930s and it's just as true--or even
Posted by: Suzon on Mar 27, 2009 4:26 AM   
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more so today.

Businessmen need war. "Shock and Awe" was the showroom for the arms trade. The construction industry sees the whole world as a potential building site and are happy when buildings are destroyed (shame about the collateral damage) as they then get the chance to build new ones. Or in many cases, get the contracts without having to actually do the work.

Corrupted government misdirects the maximum amount of public money into rich people's pockets.

(And no, BD, I never said that "empire is inevitable" or whatever your misrepresentation was. Empire exists and it will help to restore democracy once we know how we've been conned into thinking like Dr Pangloss.)

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alrene
Posted by: alrene on Mar 27, 2009 4:49 AM   
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The outrage of the populace of Afghanistan and Pakistan by the increased military attacks and bloody support of the U.S. and the current Obama administration will only serve to galvanize an already dangerous scenario. Consider the inevitable take over of Pakistan by Taliban and radical Al Quaeda forces and the stockpile of nuclear weapons. Scenario:100 planes take off from Pakistan all loaded with nuclear weapons within a short period of time (one hour) and headed for every major city in the U.S. and Europe. This is a very real possibility. This war cannot be won. Obama is already lost in a miasma of hypocracy and lies. It is clearly evident that he is nothing more than a puppet for the continuing takeover of the world by the corporate new world order. I would highly recommend sanctions against Pakistan and order an increased vigilance and no fly zone of all Pakistani aircraft before it is too late...all this, not to mention the plundering of the wealth of the work force and any kind of social contract in favor of more war and destruction. Say no to troops and monies for this project which will quickly backfire and also increase massive social opposition and civil strife here in the U.S.

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» RE: alrene Posted by: Erin
» RE: alrene Posted by: hilaryuk
The Missing Link
Posted by: inanaturallight on Mar 27, 2009 5:19 AM   
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One thing I've been noticing is what the spooks refer to as 'noise'... an increased number of little events that all point at preparation for some kind of conflict with China. Veiled threats and references, giant boats being unwelcome in Hawaii that are rumored to be useful for military action toward China, a desire for military presence in neighboring countries, strange alliances and failures to condemn some behavior in neighboring countries, unnecessary negative rhetoric from certain political corners...
I smell a rat, I see writing on the wall, too vague to read yet but it's there. I hope it is all coincidence but I ain't much of a believer in coincidence.
There's something more to this, more than the gas/oil pipeline for which the agreement was signed 30 days after the invasion of Afghanistan. Something important enough to risk the complete destabilization of Pakistan and the possibility that those nukes end up in the hands of those that would use them for evil.

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» RE: The Missing Link Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: The Missing Link Posted by: inanaturallight
» RE: The Missing Link Posted by: hilaryuk
"Center for American Progress" was the same thinktank PERSECUTING Nader and Mckinney !
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Mar 27, 2009 6:36 AM   
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No wonder we progressives and liberals are soaking in the losers' column ! CAP should burn in hell for calling for 10 year suffering of those poor and defenseless Afghans especially the women and children who are already being treated very shabilly by the US and NATO forces in addition to the Taliban and the war lords !! No wonder the Middle East HATES us deservedly so and will continue to do so !! :.(

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» RE: "Center for American Progress" Posted by: Sister_Lauren
History and economics
Posted by: hilaryuk on Mar 27, 2009 6:38 AM   
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Nobody has ever really conquered Afghanistan. For some reason the Afghans don't like being occupied, whether it be by the British, the Russians or even the enlightened Americans. This is not uncommon among primitive brown people who we all know are not rational and peaceloving like us, but the Afghan culture, history and geography make sustained resistance viable and all but certain. So I would suggest someone buys some history books for the US administration and its advisers. I know that I will be sending a reading list to Downing Street.

And how exactly is America going to pay for this escalation? Sell more of your National Debt to China? I am not absolutely sure if China wants to pay to see Pakistan reduced to a violent anarchy, but there may be some Byzantine reason I don't get. Surely there is a parallel here with economic policy. No-one is willing to admit that globalised capitalism is fundamentally and fatally flawed, so they pour bucket loads of treasure into tinkering around the edges. Similarly, no-one is prepared to admit that the Afghanistan project was fatally misconceived from the beginning - a much narrower focus on eliminating al Quaida would have yielded achievable goals and saved innumerable Afghan lives. So the administration is at root locked into the same state of denial as the Bush cabal and can do nothing but spend treasure (that it hasn't actually got) and American and Afghan lives on "improving" the original model.

This is the "change you can believe in"?

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» PAKAFGHANISTAN BAIL-OUT? Posted by: americansheep
» RE: PAKAFGHANISTAN BAIL-OUT? Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Peace-loving like us? Posted by: drfun
This Could Be More About The Destruction of America Than Afghanistan & Pakistan
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Mar 27, 2009 6:47 AM   
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Americans should be questioning exactly what the motivation of the "Progressive Think Tank" is?

Are they all off their head on Zbig and Soros cloud cuckoo fantasy land of controlling the fucking world?

Or are they actually trying to destroy America?

No invader wins in Afghanistan.

Tony

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“support the troops” is equal to consent for war
Posted by: 876 on Mar 27, 2009 7:29 AM   
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Why do you Americans speak out on the irrationality of these wars yet still affix the yellow ribbons, the “support our troops” messages to your gas guzzlers and promote absurd rhetoric about the heroism of your genocidal military? It’s as if you have failed to recognize the obvious which is that these wars could not happen without your consent and willingness to participate. You behave as if you have no culpability, as if you are simply innocents. Nothing is further from the truth; you are not innocents, you are the beating heart of these campaigns of genocide. You cannot “support the troops” and still pretend to be against these crimes.

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Why is Hayden surprised and What's a "Progressive" Anyway?
Posted by: chlamor on Mar 27, 2009 7:35 AM   
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I know of mostly white middle to upper middle class whites who smugly claim to be such a thing.

What exactly is this creature?

Is this beast anti-war?TM- with no details on exactly what that means?

Is this the critter that oh so happily refers to the local CSA as "our farm" and feels oh so fuzzy pickin' up the food from the barn with their lily-white well-manicured fingers?

Is this critter for equal pay in the savage days of green consumer capital exploitation?

Is this the critter in the well wrinkled power shirt and khaki shorts reading Paul Hawken's latest tract on making Capital work for the planet?

So many questions, so little time.

Hey progressive you know who you are. You are the status quo. Quit lying.

While some of us here know that modern-day liberalism, was founded to be a capitalist-friendly "third way" between socialism,and conservatism, most people do not.If they did, and truly understood this history,they would not waste all of their time and effort into trying to make "progressives",and The Democratic Party in particular, into the socialists they might want them to be.

All too often "progressive" has come to mean someone who will offer unconditional support to The Democratic Party no matter what.

A "progressive" is someone who cannot admit to the systemic failure of the society. Through this stubborn blindness, they reveal their own fundamental loyalty to the social system as a whole. The solution to the "anti-democratic" turn in American politics is not to question its foundations but to proscribe "more democracy" or "real democracy", without evaluating for a minute whether the ""turn" is really an aberration. In economics, a "progressive" is one who blames an excess of greed, a deficiency of regulation, or the corruption of the state rather than the normal operation of capitalism. In this way, "progressives" are identical to Libertarians who, in the face of insurmountable evidence, continue to insist that it is "too little" and not too much "free enterprise" which is the problem. We need a capitalism based on good intentions says the, one based on a strengthening of the "individual" claims the next, and one purged of racial corruption declares the last. Fixing capitalism is the highest and in fact the only slogan of all of the above, and this in the most trivial and unhistorical way possible. Those are the last and the only words of this brand of "radical" criticism which is actually a radical support for the society as it exists... if only that society could be "allowed" to achieve its "true" nature.

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Vote Vets is calling for support for
Posted by: harpy on Mar 27, 2009 7:40 AM   
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this escalation, and are sending out e-mails today asking for a petition to be signed. http://votevets.org/news?id=0206
Center For American Progress is not alone in this. It might be worth re-thinking the opposition when a group like Vote Vets is supporting this move.

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The wrong assumption from the first sentance in the article
Posted by: DCostello2 on Mar 27, 2009 7:42 AM   
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The Center for American Progress has positioned itself as a "progressive" Washington think tank

Assuming the CAP is a progressive think tank is the problem. They're not. Change that assumption and everything falls into place perfectly. The same holds true for Obama. He's NOT progressive. He's the same old Centrist/Right Democrat as usual. Change THAT assumption and everything Obama does makes sense.

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Perhaps Skynet is in control
Posted by: ceti on Mar 27, 2009 7:50 AM   
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Ensuring that the US spends billions more developing a new class of fully autonomous robotic killers for the Afghan front. And they'll use the California governor as their model for their infiltrator unit.

Seriously though, Obama has just committed to a war without end against the phantom menace Al-Qaeda. He is surely emerging as the corporate Manchurian candidate that many cynics feared.

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JT Barrie
Posted by: rimchamp77 on Mar 27, 2009 8:04 AM   
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What I'm waiting for are the new pacifistic Fox news team berating BHO for this emergent Afghanistan/Pakistan debacle. At least some of the GWB "patriotic fervor" cheerleading squad will become born again pacifists and start decrying this moronic warfare. Who knows, maybe one will join in the protest marches against this new version of GWB's forever wars.
I'd like to be among the second to hear of this so if any Faux News/Westwood One war cheerleaders defects and goes pacifist email me at rimchamp77@juno.com with details. It's not a sure thing. BHO - like GWB - will defer management to his generals [those who don't stridently disagree with this fools' errand] but the ex cheerleaders will likely blame him for failures on a "tactical" basis: he is poorly managing a good war.

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Will being progressive make things better?
Posted by: BJH on Mar 27, 2009 8:07 AM   
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It is common to find the term ‘progressive’ equated with ‘good’ in everyday discourse; but progressive ideas and actions do not necessarily make things better, especially when they fail to speak out against or even openly promote the perpetuation of injustice.

The four issues being pushed by the Center for American Progress this year involve energy, health care, “restoring America's global leadership to make America more secure and build a better world”, and “creating progressive growth that's robust and widely shared, and restoring economic opportunity for all.” The last two are, in my opinion, problems not solutions. How amazing that there is nothing mentioned about closing US military bases, eliminating nuclear weapons. How about ending poverty at home and ending the wars of aggression abroad?

The Center claims to build on the ideals of Martin Luther King. I say this Center has distorted King’s ideas and betrayed his ideals. Here is a quote from Martin Luther King’s Vietnam speech of 1967:

“If we continue, there will be no doubt in my mind and in the mind of the world that we have no honorable intentions in Vietnam. It will become clear that our minimal expectation is to occupy it as an American colony and men will not refrain from thinking that our maximum hope is to goad China into a war so that we may bomb her nuclear installations. If we do not stop our war against the people of Vietnam immediately the world will be left with no other alternative than to see this as some horribly clumsy and deadly game we have decided to play.
The world now demands a maturity of America that we may not be able to achieve. It demands that we admit that we have been wrong from the beginning of our adventure in Vietnam, that we have been detrimental to the life of the Vietnamese people. The situation is one in which we must be ready to turn sharply from our present ways.”

Yes, the time has come to “turn sharply.” Progress is not what is needed now; rather, radical change in the way that America functions is a critical piece of any attempt to create a better world in America or in distant lands.

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Your asking the question
Posted by: Zimbly on Mar 27, 2009 8:11 AM   
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Then do some more research and reading.
Put the pieces together..read Zbigniew Brezinski's book " The Grand Chessboard" that will tell you all you need to know about WHY we are in Afghanistan..and no its not to stop terrorism and get Al Qaida or to "help" the Afghan people, thats for public consumption so that we naively believe this idea that we are at this for some "good"..we are not..its pure economics, power and oil..plain and simple..if the State dept and Pentagon could get away with bulldozing the Afghans into extinction so we could get at "Our Oil"..they's do that too...and who knows..maybe they already are.

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Well, whaduhyagonna do?
Posted by: sausage on Mar 27, 2009 8:12 AM   
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That Afghanistan is a failed state, or libertarian paradise like Somalia and Haiti, take your pick, is a given. The central government of Hamid Karzai is weak and corrupt, the Taliban, a brutal fundamentalist, racialist criminal gang, controls wide areas of Afghanistan and Osama bin Laden and his band of merry al Qaeda-men yet freely roam the countryside.

The leading reason this ancient land finds itself in these straits is because the West, the United States and NATO, did nothing to fill the political vacuum created when the army of the old Soviet Union ignominiously retreated with its tail between its legs in 1987-'89, followed thereafter by the collapse of erstwhile Soviet puppet Mohammad Najibullah's secular government in 1992. Najibullah's government was far more progressive when measured next to that which followed, the Taliban.

Yet the United States and its allies were content to let Najibullah's fragile government twist in the wind, as his corpse eventually did at the end of a Taliban rope in 1996.

Therefore the United States and its NATO allies are culpable for everything that happened after the fall of Najibullah's regime. Like it or not the blood of Afghani women murdered under orders of the Taliban is on Uncle Sugar's hands. Perhaps if Zbigniew Brzezinski had never suggested to then-President Jimmy Carter to gave the Soviets their own Vietnam perhaps all the events which followed would never have happened? Perhaps if former U.S. Congressman Charlie Wilson,Blue Dog, Texas, had not figured out a way to circumvent U.S. law to supply the mujahideen with Stinger missiles the government of Najibullah might never have fallen. Perhaps if the out-going George H.W. Bush administration and in-coming Bill Clinton administration had rushed massive amounts of humanitarian and military aid to Najibullah's administration the Taliban would never have come to power?

Maybe 9/11 would have never happened?

Clearly, as Hayden points out, the Shanghai Cooperation Organization needs to be involved, perhaps in a leading role, in bringing political and economic stability to the region. However, Russia yet harbors Czarist ambitions toward Afghanistan and is the primary voice in calling for the US and NATO to go home. In his analysis Hayden makes the mistake of portraying the SCO as a monolithic organiztion led from Moscow, when in fact it is not, any more than NATO is in lock-step with Washington. Concludes a monograph by Andrew Scheineson posted at The Council on Foreign Relations' Web site:[S. Frederick] Starr believes Central Asian nations would prefer to avoid...Russian dominance. For the United States to build stronger partnerships in Central Asia, he says, it needs to adopt a more engaging and active diplomatic strategy."

In other words, military intervention, i.e. killing those who need killing, i.e. Taliban, is only one portion of a greater overall strategy which, perforce, may be necessary in Afghanistan.

The only other option is for the U.S. to do as it did in the waning days of Najibullah's regime and walk away; leaving the Taliban in control and bleeding-hearts impotently wailing over a renewed wave of religiously-inspired murders of innocent Afghan women.

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Change
Posted by: Archie1954 on Mar 27, 2009 8:52 AM   
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The American people voted for change. Please explain how this continuation and expansion of the war is change. We all know that eight years of the most incompetent administration in US history severely damaged the US and stunted its future but to continue the same discredited policies is to show a total disdain for the American people's wishes. One doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that further expansion is just delaying the inevitable, the complete routing of NATO and American forces from Afghanistan with their tails between their legs. How much clearer can that be?

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Are we Doomed to Repeat Iraq in Afghanistan because Obama is "so little change" from Bush?
Posted by: JohnHKennedy Denver CO on Mar 27, 2009 9:48 AM   
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Obama is running a risk that he will soon be seen as
"no change"
from Bush.

If Obama's "no one is above the law" is to be believed,

Obama must soon Appoint a SPECIAL PROSECUTOR for all Bush officials who violated Our
Federal Laws (including Torture) and our Constitution

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February 23 Was a Tragic Milestone in Afghanistan
Posted by: jimswanson on Mar 27, 2009 9:47 AM   
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James A. Swanson, Los Altos, CA
"The Bush League of Nations"
www.bushleagueofnations.com [for FREE download of entire $25.95 book]

February 23, 2009, was a major milestone that passed unnoticed. On that date the war in Afghanistan had lasted twice as long as World War II, which lasted 3 years, 8 months and 8 days.

Afghanistan may become Obama’s Vietnam. With lower probability, Iraq could become Obama’s Vietnam II.

Obama, of course, started neither war—both of which were lost by the Bush regime—but at some point, if Obama unwisely nurtures the plants, he will have bought the farm.

Anti-war activists and other Obama supporters must stay engaged.

You can now download for FREE the entire $25.95 book, "The Bush League of Nations: The Coalition of the Unwilling, the Bullied and the Bribed – the GOP’s War on Iraq and America," by James A. Swanson (2008, CreateSpace Publishing, 448 pages). www.bushleagueofnations.com.

I ask for nothing in return, except that you consider using my free book as a resource to help restore and build America. Perhaps, if you are so inclined, you will also pass along the good word. I'd appreciate that.

James A. Swanson, Los Altos, CA
[Activist, author, entrepreneur, senior executive, Peace Corps volunteer, MIT graduate, Stanford JD/MBA.]
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A show of hands, please
Posted by: sausage on Mar 27, 2009 10:26 AM   
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Who among you self-styled "radicals," "leftists," "bleeding-heart liberals" gets a kick out of watching YouTube.com videos of the Taliban executing woman for imagined offenses against sharia law and the Qur'an?
:Jonathan Turley.org, July 18, 2008

How many of you same "radicals," "leftists," "bleeding-heart liberals" endorse the Taliban throwing acid in the face of little girls trying to go to school?
Jonathan Turley.org. November 14, 2008

Well you, and Tom Hayden, must. Because, as I pointed in my post above, should President Obama order U.S. troops out of Afghanistan, say, within the next 30 days to one year the Taliban will be right back in the Afghani saddle, and there won't be a thing you or the U.S. government can do about it.

And if any of you self-styled "radicals, "leftists," "bleeding-heart liberals" think you are scoring points with the soldiers and marines of the All Volunteer Force, guess again. These steroid-fueled Hulks could give a rat's ass about your efforts to bring them home. They'll come home when they're ready to come home, preferably when they determine the job is done, presumably when all the "bad-guys" are six-feet-under, pushing daisies.

As far as many of these skinheads in uniform are concerned the rest of us Americans are moral defectives who would run wild without their strong guiding hand. (Yes, some of the guys and gals in uniform are really, really that fucked up!) Perhaps it's better if we let these juiced-up Rambo-wannabes loose on the Taliban. Better than letting them run amok stateside.

So, please, a show of hands.

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» But look more closely Posted by: truthlover
BECAUSE IT MAKES THE GOVERNMENT MONEY
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Mar 27, 2009 10:27 AM   
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Afghanistan was the World's third largest opium producer.....now their number one. We did it in Laos,we did it for Central America's cocaine markets and we'll keep doing it because wars are fought,in the 'new style' in areas where hard drugs are produced,either in country or one very close by. We use drug money to pay for things folks would burn down DC for doing.

All the while prostituting ourselves as drug crusaders and country liberators. Nothing could be further from the truth.

We use the military to ship drugs, kill our children and prop up a fear based militarization of anywhere on the globe.

To call any organization that supports war a 'think tank' is an insult to thinking people,they are in truth 'stink tanks' because they're full of shit.

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BA
Posted by: mnstra on Mar 27, 2009 10:29 AM   
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Why does the US think that it can accomplish from across the sea what Russia could not in the 1980s.-- A country contiguous to Afghanistan?

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» Why are you sure I wasn't? Posted by: sausage
Just wondering...
Posted by: Gaia7 on Mar 27, 2009 10:55 AM   
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CAP says we will need to be there for 10 years. Is that another 10 on top of the 7 we already have? I know we tipped things a little faster toward the downfall of Russia in Afghanistan, but weren’t they bankrupted in 10 years?

Russia, as far as I know never stirred up the nuclear weapon owning Pakistan either. I thought spies rather than soldiers were supposed to be the effective way to handle situations like the one that this has become springing from 911.

Of course, we do have a shortage of “spies”, e.g., Valerie Plame and so many other “background” workers. This also includes multitudes of gays who were highly skilled in Middle Eastern culture and language who have been forced out of the “soldier” side of the military.

This makes me think of a picture that I recently viewed. It said, “bombing for peace (safety) is like f*cking for virginity.

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Old newspaper article needs to be re-read
Posted by: Alex Hidell on Mar 27, 2009 11:36 AM   
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Document reveals Nixon plan to seize Arab oil fields - New York Times, Jan 2, 2004

The plans were 'tweaked' from Saudi Arabia to Iraq, but you get the picture. Also, British intelligence estimated a ten year "occupation" would be necessary.

The same thing will apply to the Afganistan pipeline project that Zbigniew Bzrezinski and his Grand Chessboard postulates. But just look at the pipeline maps and then the Enron and 9-11 coincidences

Alan Greenspan admits Iraq was about oil, and natural gas.

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cap stand opportunistic
Posted by: jareilly on Mar 27, 2009 12:01 PM   
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CAP is no doubt trying to position itself the way all "yes men" do; by regurgitating the party line, repeating what everybody else keeps repeating, no matter how stupid. This is how you move up in Washington, by being a "team player". They've been at this for awhile. Michael Tomasky, former, possibly current CAPster wrote several bilious, frothing commentaries in The American Prospect, after the initial invasion of Afghanistan, in which he attacked opponents of the war as insufficiently "realistic" and as "knee-jerk, anti-imperialists", or delusional third world revolutionary romantics. He was trash-talking then and CAP is trash-talking now.

One image comes to mind each time Obambi talks about Afghanistan. It was right after one of the many accidental raids on Afghan wedding parties, in which dozens of unharmed civilians were slaughtered by cluster bombs dropped from 30,000 feet. The press and the NGOs had just arrived on site. In the rubble, a photographer found a child's shoe with the foot still in it. No sign of the rest of the body.

That's what "hope" and "change we can believe in" means in Afghanistan.

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Fooled again,
Posted by: lewb on Mar 27, 2009 1:00 PM   
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the people never learn. They have had alternative choices to the major parties. They elect the Anti-Bush and lo and behold they get more of the same stuff. I bet you wouldn't have this same crap from a Nader Administration.As things continue to tank on all fronts,remember you had a choice. you blew it.The bad guys have won again.

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political power and energy wars
Posted by: Robert K. MacDonald on Mar 27, 2009 2:16 PM   
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Obama's Afghan and Pakistan policies should come as no surprise to well read anti-imperialist Americans.
The profiteers in the Military, Industrial, Governmental, Mass-Media, University, Energy Complex will go to any lengths to expand its military access to Central Asian and South-East Asian oil and natural gas.
To think that the global profiteers would allow Obama and his small group of amateur centrist Liberals to thwart the grand American geo-political imperialist programs is sadly to not notice the ignorance and wishful immaturity of 90% of Obama's supporters.
Obama is not relevant to the energy wars because he and most of his millions of supporters have not read and digested the works of analysts like Brzezinski, Michael Klare, and Pepe Escobar(see Escobar's post on truthout on March 25th,"Liquid War.")
It is very exciting and encouraging to discover that many alternet commentators are so well informed and realistic about Obama and global foreign policy.
The safe way out of the dangerous policies of the current administration would be for someone in the State Department to begin a diplomatic crusade for a solid construction of something like the Shanghigh Cooperation Society, including China, Russia, the USA, Japan, and Europe.
Robert MacDonald: psycho-imperialism.com

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Taliban Cruelty and Our False Moral Superiority
Posted by: peaceia85 on Mar 27, 2009 2:26 PM   
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So this picture of two prostitutes being killed justifies tens of thousands of innocents we killed in Afghanistan?
let us keep your sexual liberties, marital infidelity and cheating on the spouses, divorce and broken homes and prostitution legal in your cities but let us not try to preach to people our wicked morals.
Taliban is cruel but did not cause one millionth of the damage we did with our "civility" and did not kill and torture thousands in Baghram air base and Gitmo and Abugraib and other secret prisons
Tell us please how many Innocent prostitutes did Taliban kill? 10? 20? and how many we tortured and maimed in Iraq and Afganistan, how many kids did our decayed society allowed to grow up without parents or with one parent as a result of sexual infidelity and the morals decay we want to preach to the Afghans.
Taliban has relatively better morals.
We have no right.

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Where You Been For The Last Four Decades Tom?
Posted by: jooljetkmae on Mar 27, 2009 3:28 PM   
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A liberal organization supporting a U.S. war of aggression and dressing it up as a "humanitarian intervention" is a surprise and cause for puzzlement? Where were you 10 years ago when most of the liberals were falling over themselves to climb aboard the next Cruise Missile bound for Belgrade? It's Obama time and that means the good old days of posturing about the "humanitarian" side of U.S. interventions is now acceptable again.

This was my most major reservation about Obama becoming President.

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Progressive obeisance to establishment
Posted by: BillSamuel on Mar 27, 2009 7:35 PM   
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Well, Tom, might it have something to do with the fact that people like you and countless others have been bowing to the latest establishment leader even though he's never stood for what you claim to stand for?

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alvedge
Posted by: alvedge on Mar 27, 2009 8:06 PM   
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Afghanistan, where I spent 3 years in the mid-70s, is a monstrously tough case. To make an endlessly open-ended commitment seems unwise and a painful waste of our limited resources. If we are focusing on the defanging of al Qa'ida, then Pakistan must first be our primary concern. Can we get Pakistan, whoever rules there, to agree to joint operations with our forces in the hideouts within their borders? Would even that guarantee that al-Qa'ida won't re-base in the likes of Somalis, Sudan, . . .? We may wind up chasing them from rogue state to failed state.
As for Afghanistan, any security/political solution acceptable to us may be impossible, and if so, one hopes that will be recognized before we sink into a quagmire that could make Iraq look like a warm-up.
As for the formulaic remedy of training up the Afghan army and police, that, too, may be unpromising. Have we got people competent to train people of this very different and strange to us culture? More concretely, can we ever be sure that, having enlisted to take our money, the "trainees" will be motivated to fight on behalf of "infidel invaders" or a government tied to them. And what kind of an effective expansion of Afghan Police is it from 78,000 to merely 82,000? That seems a joke!
Our best hope for even minimal "success" may be deal-making, including reconstruction aid, with local and regional power holders, with little or no connection with the hopeless illusion of central government.
Let's face it: We may be in over our rational heads in Afghanistan as it has evolved, so let's be ready to cut our losses as soon as this becomes apparent.

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Because they confused "progressive" with the Democratic Party
Posted by: greenferret on Mar 28, 2009 10:56 AM   
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This is the inevitable result of the hijacking of the term "progressive" by the Democratic Party and its various front groups. Once the compromisers and corporatists got their hands on "progressive", once it stopped standing for bold new ideas and became a marketing tool for Democratic spin doctors looking to rebrand the status quo as something new and exciting, once it was co-opted by The Lesser of Two Evils it became inevitable that so-called "progressives" would start rooting for war, corporate globalization and easy compromise.

There are still real progressives in America. Some of them have already found their way to the Green Party, and hopefully others will follow as they grow tired of perpetual war and Wall Street socialism.

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The USA Empire must be stopped
Posted by: Extreme Pacifist on Mar 28, 2009 9:10 PM   
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Where is the outrage against Obama for his Neo-Con like war hawking, by escalating the war in Afghanistan, and dragging his feet in Iraq? For 8 years all we heard from the liberal left was how evil Bush was, true enough, but, now messiah Obama get's a free pass? Bull Shit! This is proof that the Democrats and the Republicans are the same when it comes to building and expanding the Evil Empire known as the USA, I say Fuck the USA and everyone who waves that fucking red, white and blue rag! you assholes deserve what's coming here soon, total economic collapse and you will know what it feels like to be a third world nation and then you will "get it" that the USA is no better than all the other nations, and actually, much worse, America...karma is coming to kick your proud ass.
Think like an Anarchist, Live like a Pacifist, Peace!

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It's really Quite simple. The West has to withdraw from Afghanistan as soon as ...
Posted by: Franb on Mar 28, 2009 10:32 PM   
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1. they have decomissioned and securely sequestered Pakistan';s nuclear weapons and delivery systems

2. They've scuttled/removed the fixed wing airforce hardware

Once they've done that, ISAF leaves the region and let's the local players sort it out. That should lead to more fundamentalists wiping each other out than all the ISAF forces put together.

Any geneuine refugee gets offered a sponsored place (up to a quota) in the country of their choice.

Simple. Cost effective.

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Supporting the Troops IS Supporting the Wars
Posted by: Extreme Pacifist on Mar 29, 2009 8:11 AM   
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Supporting the troops means supporting the USA Evil Empire's global domination tour, and the military is the arms and legs of the war machine body and the US Government is the head.
If you and I, and all the so called Progressives, can make this point to all people, Progressives, Conservatives, and Independents, that supporting the troops is the key to the global elite's plan, and that the troops are going to continue to do the dirty work of the rich and powerful politicians in Washington, and corporate criminals on Wall Street, and the only way to win against these people is the tactic of non participation.
No one in the anti war movement or anti imperial empire movement, either liberal, or conservative, should join, work for, or support any group or agency of their governments.
Joining, working for, or supporting the military, the police, the court system, and even the school system, should be discouraged, as well as any private corporation that profits from the US Empire's invasions and occupations.
Anti recruiting in the schools, where the military is actively and aggressively pursuing the young people who will be used to advance the empire, is where we need to start being more active, and to offer the youth an alternative to joining the military.
Extreme_Pacifist

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Let the countries around Afghanistan sort out the problems
Posted by: Garvagh on Mar 29, 2009 4:16 PM   
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Russia, China and Iran want the US bases out of Central Asia, and this position has great merit. Let the countries around Afghanistan work out the solution. Time for US to get ready to pull all combat forces out.

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(America:)
Posted by: grumpybumpas on Apr 2, 2009 8:07 AM   
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Has a long history of using war to adjust it's finanshal inconsistance.

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