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Why Are We "Surging" into Afghanistan?

By Jim Hightower, Creators Syndicate. Posted February 27, 2009.


Not for nothing is that country called "the burial ground of empires," "a guerilla's paradise" and "the theme park of problems."
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Excuse me for being impolitic, but why the -- is America "surging" so unquestioningly into Afghanistan?

Not for nothing is that country called "the burial ground of empires," "a guerilla's paradise" and "the theme park of problems." Yet, President Obama insists that America must act now to "stabilize" Afghanistan and its dizzyingly disparate, ethnically fractious, heavily armed tribal factions.

Actually, our military has already been trying to do this for more than seven years. Despite having 36,000 U.S. troops on the ground and spending $2 billion a month, the current situation there is described by our intelligence agencies as in a "downward spiral."

Instead of a whole new approach, however, the president's advisors are giving him the only answer ever offered by the war machine: more. They intend to double the number of soldiers in what now will become Obama's war. Why? As one advice-giver put it: What we need are more troops in Afghanistan because we need security, and eventually we will get a strategy."

Eventually??? That pretty well defines "bassackwards," doesn't it?

In fairness, I should note that the CIA did develop an innovative strategy last year for winning the hearts and minds of some Afghan tribal leaders. An agent in the country's southern region was seeking the help of a 60-something-year-old chieftain, but no go -- until he learned that the man, who has four younger wives, was having performance problems. "Take one of these," said the agent, discreetly offering Viagra pills.

Days later, the agent returned to the village to find the old man wreathed in a glowing grin that only sex can induce. "You are a great man," exuded the happy chieftain, who subsequently became a useful source for the agency. It gives new meaning to the old bumper-sticker, "Make love, not war."

Why are we letting Obama and Co. plunge our troops, our treasury and our nation's good name -- as well as Obama's otherwise promising presidency -- into what will certainly be a horrific war? As Sen. Russ Feingold so sensibly puts it: "We need to ask tough questions before deploying our brave service members -- and we need to be suspicious of Washington 'group think.' Otherwise, we are setting ourselves up for failure."

Among the questions that need asking are these: Why is it our mission to remake Afghanistan? What is our national interest, our plan, our "victory," our exit point?

Instead of addressing these basics (and, indeed, instead of consulting the American people at all), however, Obama and team are simply telling us that the surge is on. How's that different from the way Bush-Cheney treated us?

Once again, we're getting a rush job, and it would serve us well to ponder a few realities. First, it will be a nightmare of futility to try stabilizing Afghanistan by force. Ask the Brits and the old Soviets -- both countries tried mightily to do it and failed spectacularly. Independent analysts estimate that it would take hundreds of thousands of troops and up to 30 years to subjugate the country.

Second, Afghan stability has to be a diplomatic task undertaken by a regional coalition that should include Iran, China, Russia, India and Pakistan. Even this effort will be iffy, but it'll be doomed if it has American fingerprints on it. This is because we are widely perceived as the enemy by Afghans. From the corrupt and despised puppet government imposed on them by the Bushites to our endless killings of civilians (including up to 500 a month -- mostly children -- murdered by our cluster bombs), the United States is hardly seen as a stabilizing force. More American troops mean more civilian deaths -- and more resistance.

Third, Afghanistan's remote mountainous regions are not the place where terrorists train for sophisticated attacks on urban America (the 9-11 extremists, for example, were not Afghans, and they trained mostly in Germany and Florida). Also, our military action in Afghanistan has merely pushed the extremists into neighboring Pakistan, where they are now destabilizing that fragile, nuclear-armed government -- a huge problem that will worsen with Obama's escalation.

Just because Obama's team is drumming up a war doesn't mean we should go along. For more information and action suggestions, contact Win Without War, a broad coalition of grassroots groups opposing escalation in Afghanistan: www.standupcongress.org

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Jim Hightower is a national radio commentator, writer, public speaker, and author of the new book, "Swim Against the Current: Even a Dead Fish Can Go With the Flow." (Wiley, March 2008) He publishes the monthly "Hightower Lowdown," co-edited by Phillip Frazer.

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Jim, are you not allowed to speculate a little?
Posted by: dustdevil on Mar 1, 2009 6:00 AM   
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Surely you have some ideas on why we are escalating the war in Afghanistan.

Wouldn't it make sense that the oil pipeline that our empire builders lusted after is still the driving force behind the war?

Installing former Unocal employee Karzeid as president should have been enough of a giveaway.

Keeping control of the poppy fields may be a secondary reason. The rogue element controlling our government is not against the constant flow of income the drug trade produces.

The war profiteers have a helluva dilemna here.
They haven't been able to come up with a logical reason for our troops to be there--without stating the real mission.

The real mission is massive profits for the few, massive debt for the rest of us.

I might also mention massive misery and death for our troops and the Afghans.

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» 9/11 terrorists Posted by: BlueTigress
The "Same" We Can Believe In
Posted by: dockboy on Mar 1, 2009 6:41 AM   
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Only the naive really believe Obama is changing things.

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Why ask why?
Posted by: improperly_sedated on Mar 2, 2009 12:28 AM   
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War is just cool. Because we're Americans. Because it's what we do.

And don't you ever question the nobility of our fine young professional killers. They keep us free by roaming the world and making new enemies for us. You should always thank them for protecting our boarders by razing cities in faraway lands.

What do you want us to do? Give up perpetual war? What would we do with all this ordinance? What would keep General Dynamics in business? War is the basis of our economy, and it's the only thing that maintains our global hegemon status. Don't you want your loving aristocracy to keep on running the rest of the world? It's all for our benefit. They told me so, and the American ruling class would never lie.

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» RE: Why ask why? Posted by: Tom Degan
» Brevity is the soul of wit Posted by: Artkansas
» RE: Why ask why? Posted by: Hiroak
» RE: Why ask why? Posted by: 2thepoint
» Soldiers not killers? Posted by: marid
» RE: Why ask why? Posted by: improperly_sedated
9-11
Posted by: mikeinvail on Mar 2, 2009 1:24 AM   
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Isn't it time to get Bin Laden and the Mullah Omar? Hopefully Obama didn't make a deal with the Saudi's to leave them alone like the Bushies.
Find them , destroy them, and then burn the opium fields.
Then Afghanistan can return to the stone age.
When did third world countries have the power to subdue the biggest military power in the history of the world?

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» RE: 9-11 Posted by: 2thepoint
» Since Vietnam Posted by: Hiroak
The above is exactly why...
Posted by: Pirate1 on Mar 2, 2009 1:32 AM   
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Because of idiot thinking like this...

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» RE: The above is exactly why... Posted by: mikeinvail
» Look at The Odds Posted by: Ray Duray
» You are the idiot because . . . Posted by: dustdevil
» You are the idiot because . . . Posted by: dustdevil
This Is Nuts
Posted by: Tom Degan on Mar 2, 2009 2:10 AM   
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The situation in Afghanistan is a proof positive why the so-called "surge" in Iraq was such a dismal failure.

They had to get those troops from somewhere. Obviously they couldn't tap into the reserves because the reserves are all tapped out. Where did they get the needed soldiers? From Afghanistan! When Iraq started to stabilize, Afghanistan began its "downward spiral".

Count on it: The moment the surge in Afghanistan begins, Iraq will once again begin to fall apart. If it weren't so tragic it would be kind of funny.

Ronald Reagan Is Dead

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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» RE: This Is Nuts Posted by: 2thepoint
Chasing Al-Qaeda...a ridiculous consequence of the 9/11 lie
Posted by: pfgetty on Mar 2, 2009 2:47 AM   
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Obama says we are there to find bin Laden and chase Al-Qaeda.
What he doesn't tell you is that the official story of 9/11 is a complete fabrications, that we have gone to war in two countries, spent our national treasure, spilled the blood of millions, destroyed our Constitution, all for a lie, and HE KNOWS IT! If he doesn't, he is an idiot.
The story of 9/11 is so full of holes, contradictions, impossibilities and improbabilities that anyone who knows the facts and evidence will also know that the story if a fairy tale.
It takes so little to realize all of this, and anyone in his position must know it.
But the American people do not know it and can be fooled.
Why don't the American people know it? Because they rely on the media to tell them. The msm won't tell them. Where to go next? The alternative media..........like Alternet. But Alternet won't tell them? Seven years after 9/11 and Alternet still maintains the lock on that story, along with the rest of alternative media. A conspiracy? Must be. How is it that all of the media, all of the journalists, for seven years, avoid such blatant lies about the biggest story ever?

And so we are left with a ruinous war in Afghanistan: murder, torture, rendition, pouring out our money, and blood, and all for nothing.........except the establishment of bases and control, all of which is what the elite corporate and Zionist monsters want. And for it we bring on the hate of the world against our empire, and empire none of us ever wanted, but an empire we pay for in money, blood, and reputation.

And our media just goes along.........part of the conspiracy.

Won't just ONE journalist, ONE media source, break the conspiracy and tell the American people the truth about 9/11????

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Why Are We Surging?
Posted by: DrBrian on Mar 2, 2009 3:14 AM   
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We are surging because most of the American public, and most of its leaders, believe that war is the best way to deal with people we don't like who lack the resources to retaliate decisively, because they believe in the lex talionis--eye for eye, tooth for tooth, life for life--and want revenge even when the people we're killing aren't the ones who did us harm, because the military and its industrial suppliers have immense political clout, in part due to our campaign finance system, and because the media manipulate public opinion by making war seem more glamorous and less ugly than it is.

Obama, and most Americans, still can't understand that we inevitably kill more innocents than terrorists, and killing innocents recruits terrorists. It's a classic positive feedback loop.

Only when we can convince enough Americans of the truth and bring enough pressure on the politicians will they reverse course and make peace.

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Why Are We "Surging" into Afghanistan?
Posted by: flymulla on Mar 2, 2009 3:22 AM   
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Why Are We "Surging" into Afghanistan?
Simple question has a simple answer. We need to create jobs. That is what Obama says and he knows better as he is the commander in chief now. Any problems with that?
U.S. Is Said to Offer $30 Billion More to Help A.I.G. and the HSBC has the load. Rebel prepares fresh assault as HSBC gets set for £12bn call and payout cut
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla

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ba
Posted by: mnstra on Mar 2, 2009 4:10 AM   
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Obama wants more troops near enough to Pakistan close by to seize their nuclear weapons when the country fails.

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» RE: ba Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» RE: ba Posted by: Dboy
How else could the establishment justify spending $700 billion/year
Posted by: MeyravLevine on Mar 2, 2009 4:24 AM   
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on "defense" if we don't have perpetual wars?

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Ask George Bush
Posted by: obamapawn on Mar 2, 2009 4:30 AM   
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Bush did everything he could right up to 9/11 to convince the Taliban to allow Unicol to build the gas pipeline through Afghanistan. He had the Taliban at his ranch in Texas trying to convince them to allow this pipeline. When they said no, Bush told them that this country would attack Afghanistan in October 2001.

Fortuitously (just being sarcastic) 9/11 occurred and Bush blamed Afghanistan for harboring the terrorists.

One of the main reasons to control Afghanistan is to protect the pipeline that has and will be built. The oil and gas companies have a huge profit to be made from the control of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Saddam Hussein was threatening to sell his oil not by the receipt of US dollars but by the receipt of euros. This would have destroyed the value of the US dollar.

This government is now lying about Iran's capability of producing a nuclear weapon. One of the only people telling the truth is Scott Ritter. The groundwork is being laid for either Israel or this country to attack Iran.

Obama Is completely onboard with the fake war on terror and is in the pocket of the military-industrial oil private central banking complex.

Go to 911 inside job.net.

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List of US war crmies
Posted by: chlamor on Mar 2, 2009 4:47 AM   
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From Prof. Michael Haas:

The list of U.S. war crimes committed in Afghanistan alone documented in my book include the following:

# The U.S. bombed the children’s hospital in Kabul and a hospital in Herat, resulting in 100 deaths. This violated the Red Cross Convention of 1864 that established even military hospitals as "neutral" and that must be "respected by belligerents."

# Clearly marked Red Cross warehouses were bombed on three occasions in the Afghan War during October 2001, a violation of the Geneva Convention of 1929 that protects "the personnel of Voluntary Aid Societies."

# During its 2001 offensive in Afghanistan, at least 1,000 civilians were killed by U.S. carpet bombing. This violates Protocol 1 to the Geneva Conventions prohibiting "indiscriminate attacks" against civilians.

# While the Hague Convention of 1899 requires that prisoners be "humanely treated," this was often not the case in Afghanistan where the conditions in the prisons were so shocking that Canadian forces stopped sending prisoners to the American-run prisons at the end of 2005, preferring to send them to facilities run by the Afghan government.

# Although the Geneva Convention of 1949 forbids "violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds," captives were murdered in Afghanistan’s prisons. Some were chained naked to the ceiling, cell doors, and the floor. One man, Ait Idr, had his face forced into a toilet that was repeatedly flushed. Another, Mohammed Ahmed Said Haidel, was hit with his arms tied behind his back until his head began to bleed. Another, Ahmed Darabi, was hung by his arms and repeatedly beaten, though he survived---unlike (a) taxicab driver (named) Dilawar, who died from the same treatment.

# Prisoners of war "shall be lodged in buildings or in barracks," says the POW Convention of 1929 but many cells at American-run prisons in Afghanistan lack windows and adequate ventilation. Some prisons lacked heat during cold weather so that prisoners died of exposure. What’s more, some prisoners have been held in solitary confinement for years.

# Where the Geneva Convention decrees sick or wounded prisoners "shall not be transferred as long as their recovery may be endangered by the journey," some prisoners transferred in Afghanistan were thrown to the ground from helicopters and badly injured. Still others were kicked or beaten en route and others died while stuffed into sealed cargo containers. Not surprisingly, the deaths of some Afghan prisoners have never been recorded, another war crimes violation.

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Death of an empire..
Posted by: 2thepoint on Mar 2, 2009 5:06 AM   
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I agree with this article. One thing Bush may have realized early on is that you cant just "clean off a spot" and plant troops in Afghanistan. Iraq gave him a base to launch hit and run attacks in relative safety.

Obama seems to think, or more likely is being told has he is pretty "green" in military issues, that a surge can be successful in Afghanistan.

I'd be the first to say go in and get Bin Laden if this method would work. But I suspect it wont. The Israeli method of dealing with terrorists, seems the way to go. Wait, and hunt him down with small groups of specially trained operatives.

This does not seem to be an area where large military operations are appropriate. This could be the beginning of the end of the American Empire.

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» Osama bin Forgotten Posted by: 2dogarage
» RE: Osama bin Forgotten Posted by: 2thepoint
Shopping in a China store with a Toddler
Posted by: Purple Girl on Mar 2, 2009 5:08 AM   
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Obviously first a good parent with any sense wouldn't take a toddler into the store to begin with.Right. Well that is exactly what putting the menatlly challenged W in the WH was.
Next the impulsive child grabs the most expensive piece off the shelf and throws it.While trying to pick up th epieces of that bit of china- the kid runs off to another shelf, doing the exact same thing again. Now you have two expensive items to cope with. either you do the responsible thing and go to the store and offer to pay for your stupidity, or you push them back under the shelf and hope no one notices.Even though the Loud Crash was heard throughout the store, coming from your childs direction- Kinda hard to walk away without someone holding you responsible for the damage, Isn't it?
I'm no Historical intellect, nor Military Guru but I Knew immediately that ONE W was an Idiot and TWO allowing him to put boots on the ground in Afghanistan (or anywhere in the Fragile ME) was another huge mistake!But I am not stupid enough to think No one heard nor Irresponsible enough to try and shove it under the rug.If we don't try to rectify the damage it will come back to bit US in the Ass!
Whne we have 25 soldier patrolling hundres of miles of border- we better first make sure their asses are cover. so we nee more help for Our kids who've been left to handle this clusterfuck for 7 yrs. Next we have to make peace with those who live there, through diplomatic means and restitution. Then we have to assure the ideology of Revenge is squelched, so we are not producing more Recruiting Posters or helping build more resumes for the Status seekers.It would be nice to be ale to do all that from our Armchairs, but somethings must be done face to face.We need to send in platoons of workers to help rebuild, provide education for new economic insdustries and address environmental limitations that have held this country back from progess. I'd like to be sure those workers asses are covered too.So we need some peple with guns, so that Wells can be safely dug, irrigation systems can be assembled, Factories built, electrical lines to villages....We not only need a Peace Corp, we need a Corp of Engineers. We need to 'teach them to fish'! But first we need to assure they won't be kidnapped, and killed in the process- secure the realm, then rebuild it better than before.

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ENOUGH SURGING PLEASE
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Mar 2, 2009 7:43 AM   
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The surge in Iraq "worked" because it consisted of paying the locals (insurgents) to stop killing Americans and they did just that. The Afgans would do the same thing. Money talks, all over the world. There's no reason to send our military to this awful place. A deal should be cut to buy the opium harvest for the going rate to be used all over the world for medicinal purposes. Let the CIA do their thing along the border of Pakistan. This is not about armies and blowing up civilians. That does nothing but give the Afgans reasons to get mean. This is where Obama and I part ways. They do not want instructions on how to run their country. The whole world is afraid of them. They make their point quite well without us. I think the word "surge" is another bumper sticker type word that the American people like, without knowing what it means. Thanks, ANNA

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We're surging because we voted to surge.
Posted by: folkie on Mar 2, 2009 8:47 AM   
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Both Obama and McCain were committed to expanding the war in Afghanistan and increasing the defense budget. Nobody else on the ballot had a realistic chance of winning. In order to get a major party nomination, you had to commit to squandering our peace dividend (anyone else remember that one, or does that date me?) while rewarding the wealthy elite who wrecked our economy.

I oppose genocide, and since peace wasn't on the ballot (with any chance of prevailing), I didn't vote. When I asked people who called themselves progressives and were always at anti-war rallies why they were voting for genocide, they told me they weren't voting for genocide, they were voting to save the polar bears from global warming and arctic drilling, and to protect the wolves from Sarah Palin. So I figure that those who voted for genocide might be those animal rights terrorists the FBI is always talking about, because they sure don't care about human rights.

I was also told by some peace activists that the only way to bring about peace was to vote for somebody committed to war and then try to change their mind. I didn't understand their "logic." Can the only way to do something be to do the opposite and then try to undo what you've done?

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History
Posted by: brainvib on Mar 2, 2009 8:51 AM   
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History is to be studied and learned from.
Why do U.S. leaders(left and right) refuse
to heed the lessons of history? I think it is arrogance.

U.S. soldiers can learn from the words of a master poet of long ago:

"A Soldier of the Queen"..........Rudyard Kipling

"When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,

And the women come out to cut up what remains,

Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains

An' go to your Gawd like a soldier."

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It's times like these
Posted by: willymack on Mar 2, 2009 8:55 AM   
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That I really enjoy the exchange of ideas presented on forums like this one. Here's another idea for your consideration. Along with speculations (although LEARNRED ones), such as an out-of-control military establishment, I think the opium production in Afghanistan is central to our presence there. While the Taliban ruled Afghanistan, they destroyed opium poppies wherever they encountered them, and punished the farmers as well. We burst into the country in 2001, and it's been one bumper crop after another. Coinsidence? I think not. There's MONEY to be made in the drug trade, money our banks are only too happy to "launder"-for a hefty fee-of course. Then there's the money needed for "black" operations, renditions, etc. The greed and corruption run deep here, and will only end if the perpetrators are STOPPED. Pull our military personnel out of Afghanistan, and the whole scam will collapse. So, what if the Taliban take over again? It's THEIR country, not ours, and they've been dealing with villians for thousands of years without anyone's help.

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Why, you have to ask?
Posted by: monkeywrench on Mar 2, 2009 8:59 AM   
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Why are we surging into Afghanistan?

Can you say "oil pipeline to the Caspian" or "Taliban Pakistan with nukes?"

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opium?
Posted by: archivist on Mar 2, 2009 9:08 AM   
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"A deal should be cut to buy the opium harvest for the going rate to be used all over the world for medicinal purposes"

Funny we don't use acutal opium anymore, drugs are systhsized with petroleum chemical products.

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Reason we are surging in Afghanistan -----
Posted by: symcokid on Mar 2, 2009 9:26 AM   
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is because we have to get the oil pipeline laid through the middle of their country on it's way to Haifa. We can't let Israel down and nothing is going to stop us so just hang in there until everything is blown to hell.

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Alternatives in Afghanistan
Posted by: hollyw25 on Mar 2, 2009 9:43 AM   
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The people proposing that Pres. Obama re-think the timing of his Iraq drawdown and his ramp-up in Afghanistan (see AlterNet link below), are the same ones who were right all along about the Iraq war: no WMD, no Iraq connection to 9/11, won’t be a short campaign, U.S. won't be greeted as liberators, no consistent reason for being there, no exit plan.

Let's be sure the president listens to these folks before he leads us into yet another quagmire. There are experts steeped in over 40 years of research and experience in dispute resolution that he can call on for alternatives. Ask him to call for a conference on "Alternative Approaches to Afghanistan"--and if he doesn't do it, ask your members of Congress to hold hearings.

http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/129348/

Holly
www.HopeWeSee.blog.com

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RE: Dope Hungry World.
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Mar 2, 2009 11:42 AM   
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A very self centred American view of the World.

The US might be better off if 2 Million Afghanistan Peasants were transported to Washington DC.

They could hardly make a worse job - than the idiots you have had controlling you for the last 100 years.

Don't worry though - they have no interest in America whatsoever except to get you psycho's out of their country so they can have weddings without your drones killing the wedding party.

YOU think they are a lower form of life.

Whilst they KNOW you are.

They don't do such things to you and did not do 9/11.
You have simply been brainwashed.

Tony

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RE: That's what the Arabs already did
Posted by: 876 on Mar 2, 2009 2:00 PM   
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Fuck you american piece of shit. Only an american would see a sovereign nation as a dumping ground for their shit eating criminals. Actually asshole that is what Arabs did with Afghanistan and look how that turned out asshole. Maybe before spouting off talking out of your overfed american asshole you should learn a thing or two about history. In the meantime an appropriate place for america's criminals would be up your ah.

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Are you saying . . .
Posted by: dustdevil on Mar 2, 2009 3:57 PM   
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our drug addicts should be allowed to join the CIA?

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It is not Afghanistan and Pakistan exactly, it's Russia and China stupid!
Posted by: Artra on Mar 2, 2009 11:42 AM   
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According to to Webster G. Tarpley «Obama, The Postmodern Coup, The Making of a Manchurian Candidate».
So it is not Obama, it is Zbigniew the same one that at Center for Strategic and International Studies, provided a project of Milita rization and Annexation of North America (as denuonced by Stephen Lendman, giving weapons to mexican criminal organizations or to send CIA-"bussiness makers" at petrol company in Bolivias YPFB, etc., to report a serious worries about Mexico, Bolivia, Ecuador, Venezuela, Argenitna...).

Mr. Zbigneiw's thesis is that to Brzezinski rightist are to square, the menace is not Iran it is Afghanistan and Pakistan Chinas allies: lets put them in oppossition to them, lets use Iran for the same purpose, as cannon fodder, as well as Sudan, or Zimbawe or Burma or Kosovo or Huigur land at China's northwest, let's finally confront China and Russia.

To perpetuate USA/British domain for another 100 years,let's smash Russia and China.
Obama's place in these dreams is just a "left puppet" to Trilateral Comission, to Soros, Rockefeller and the like, he is a cover and follower of project that implies a severe austerity, a savage reduction of life levels and basically a submission of USA to extreme poverty.

Would you believe that of Obama's role?

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Reasons
Posted by: LeeAnnG on Mar 2, 2009 12:24 PM   
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A long time ago, I read a wonderful article about people's opinions. I can't remember the title or the author, but the general idea was that it's easier to form an opinion about something the further away from it we are.

For example the author said he had a friend who was absolutely sure that if a certain politician was elected president, the country would be doomed to very specific horrors (socialism?). This same man was in love with a fine young woman with whom he'd had a close relationship for about 5 years. When asked why he didn't marry her, he said that he just wasn't sure what would happen - like maybe she wouldn't put the lid on the toothpaste.

So after 5 years of getting to know this woman, he was unsure of what would happen if they got married, but he was positive about what would happen if a person he didn't even know personally became president. The factors in what happens to a country are virtually infinite, as they are in a marriage, but one is a rather smaller (and much more intimate) scale than the other. So why would someone assume he or she could predict the larger event?

Apparently, it all seems simpler when we see it from a distance, even if we are relatively ignorant of the circumstances and issues. Details become obscured and less important when we make our judgements about things that are removed from us.

The point here is that we really don't know all the reasons we are in Afghanistan. Maybe it's partly the oil, maybe it's partly the hegemony or pseudo-patriotism, maybe it's about the military industrial complex, and probably it's a combination of all those things and several others. Nothing is as simple as, "Hey, it's the oil. Period."

None of the "reasons" seem valid enough to me to justify the ongoing occupation of a country and the slaughter of innocent people. As Molly Ivins once said, "Someday the news media may get around to re-examining the assumption that killing foreigners in their own country is the best patriotic credential imaginable.

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Follow the money and see the solution...
Posted by: jwoolman on Mar 2, 2009 1:04 PM   
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A friend in Slovenia many years ago said that in order to understand the wars in his area of the world, you needed to know that the Yugoslavian army had been the fifth largest in the world. They simply needed something to do after the rationale of a threat from the USSR vanished. I said that sounded awfully familiar...

If the troops leave Iraq, they will go into Afghanistan. If they leave Afghanistan, they will go somewhere else. I'm almost 60 years old and my country has been at war since well before I was born, and will continue to be unless we find something else for the warriors and even more importantly the war profiteers to do.

We have a huge standing army with nothing to do unless our government wages one war after another. We have a huge "military-ndustrial complex" that is extremely profitable for all involved. They are not going to let go of all that profit easily. And of course they continue to get recruits hoping for some economic security and money for college (not that it will do them much good if they return home brain-injured and are treated by the government as disposable kleenex).

We need to find something else profitable for them all to do that doesn't maim, kill, and destroy. Job retraining, basically. Evaluate their strengths and assets, redirect their energy. Find new, non-lethal jobs for both the ordinary soldiers and their greedy bosses. Much simpler and much more do-able than trying to just get rid of the greedy bosses entirely.

The same applies in so many other areas:

-- We find other things for tobacco farmers to grow and cigarette companies to do if we want to cut down on nicotine addiction.

--Surely the oil companies must realize by now that there isn't an infinite amount of oil in the ground. Rather than letting them push us into one stupid war after another to get what's left, let's help them find better ways to make lots of profit.

-- Can we similarly redirect the profiteers in the health care industry? Right now our health insurance system is basically a protection racket. Rather than just making more people (the currently uninsured) pay protection money with rather uncertain results (talk about bassackwards- we have a system that can cancel you if you get sick, can easily take half your income for premiums when you're unemployed because you're sick, gouges you more and more as you get older and your income goes down, and then can refuse to pay even if they precertified the treatments...), we need to get rid of the racketeers. But the racketeers won't just go away into poverty. We need to find something else for them to do that will make them a nice profit without hurting the rest of us.

So- follow the money, and figure out how to redirect the profiteers into less harmful activities that will still make them gobs of money. Accept their greed as a given and work with it, like redirecting ants who have invaded your kitchen with a sugar trail rather than just trying to stomp them all to death or poisoning the nest. You can let the ants (and the profiteers) live while getting them out of your personal space. Yes, the profiteers are more like human fleas than industrious ants and unlike ants, have dubious value to the ecosystem. But redirecting is still easier than elimination for the human fleas.

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Iran, Russia, China et al should deal with Afghan instability
Posted by: Garvagh on Mar 2, 2009 4:58 PM   
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Why squander hundreds of billions of US taxpayer dollars on the Afghan problem? Iran, Russia and China are much closer, and they have excellent reasons to want to dampen down the insurgency. Iran has nearly 3 million Afghan refugees within its borders. Time for the US to get ready to leave.

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Because Obama is a Neocon Warmonger, just like we called it
Posted by: xbj on Mar 2, 2009 6:26 PM   
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Because your god is a neocon warmonger masquerading as a neolib.

Suck it up and choke on it. He's your President, not ours.

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to jwoolman
Posted by: don wreford on Mar 2, 2009 8:44 PM   
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the profiteers who we seem to constantly feel obliged to service their neurosis of paying endless amounts of money to satisfy the delusion of their requirements and lust for more and more, how much should the World pay? I am proposing that Mans existence is difficult to justify and that to satisfy this emptyness of purpose that to live for money will not be a satisfactory solution, for good reason, regarding Darwinian Philosophy the question of God verses evolution? and other theorists such as Smolin regarding low and high temperature of the Universe? and other anomolies, I would like to point out that if civilised man came about 10 thousand years ago and recently we worked out 3 or 4 centuries ago that we are going around the Sun,and 100 years ago or so we cottoned on to the effect of microbes and germs regarding wounds etc, the point I am making is that as clever as we think we are you would have to think we are pretty slow, owing to the mind set historicaly of a presumptive nature and idea as to what reality is and looking back on my own stupidity of 72 years and to look back with some trepidation on Earth,it is somewhat overwhelming to know this, nevertheless it still surprising to me the number of deaths thru violence occuring in the past century, such as 55 to 70 million dead in WW2, not forgetting Stalin and Moe, and numerous others having died thru Mans requirement to make the World a better place? who, why is complex enough, certainly America has achieved a fine record of policing the World for those with the wrong attitude, what I am suggesting is lets take a break from industry and distraction on highway 61, the development of the mind is worth taking seriously but as it is a phenomena of the Universe that potentially one of the last domains to be explored in more detail that requires some consideration and revaluation, in particular pertaining to sex, world population, ecology, and enviromental issues, recently I spoke to a priest on evil and a practicing Buddhist, to my alarm they both stated that their is no such thing as evil as its relative, I have no problem that it is relative, my problem is that evil is denied, if living in Palestine I believe it would be difficult to defend the idea of the non existence of evil, a suitable subject for mind contemplation, Don Wreford.

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surging to disaster
Posted by: chloelin on Mar 8, 2009 11:55 PM   
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I see a lot of very angry people and rightly so. But they are so confused, yelling abuse at anyone who disagrees with them. We need friends, not more enemies. There will never be peace on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border until the Durand line is removed and the Pashtuns have their country united again. There are 43 million of them - more than in Spain. The arrogance of Western governments and armies have put up their backs and they are bonny fighters. If the United States couldn't beat the Vietnamese, they will never beat the Pashtun tribesmen. In 1842 the British Army beat a retreat from a foolish war there and of 16,000 men only one returned.

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