I marvel that Jews, Christians and Muslims believe that humans were created in the image of God, but can’t see that image in the face of an innocent child or woman or elderly person—or, more challengingly, in the face of the perpetrator who claims to be doing God’s work in butchering His children. It's a tragic, telling fact that the strongest support for atrocities within the US, Israel and Palestine comes from the most religious citizens and leaders.

If this wanton, disproportionate savagery isn't terrorism, I don't know what is. The right's refrain that we have terrorists among is is correct--but they're blind to the fact that they are, or at least they support, the true terrorists.

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I would rather the Jews and Palestinians both give up ownership of that land, team up, and fight Germany for not giving their fair share and in fact compensation.

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Let the Jews who claim to be the chosen race prove their title by choosing the way of non-violence for vindicating their position on earth. Every country is their home including Palestine not by aggression but by loving service.
Mahatma Ghandhi
http://www.gandhiserve.org/information
/writings_online/articles/gandhi_jews_palestine.html

Jewish Child Asks Important Question http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWx6coeQMrg

How Israel brought Gaza to the brink of humanitarian catastrophe
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/07/
gaza-israel-palestine

How Much Power Does Israel Have Over the US? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkdQbhB7Ckk

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Democracy Now was really good the other night. Kucinich took a break from patting himself on the back to make some poignant comments on the situation.

Then they interviewed a few Jewish women who were speaking out against Israel. The left really seems to be making the point that this is not a Jewish thing, which is both the right thing to do, and a good way to isolate the Israeli regime, their supporters, and their atrocities.

Every time Israel pulls this crap, they try to sell it as a Jewish thing. But it seems that lately, that shtick isn't working as well. Non-Jews who condemn it aren't as afraid of being called anti-Semites, and Jews who condemn it seem less afraid of being kicked out of the club...And, of course, most US politicians of all stripes have been climbing over each other to lick the ground that the Israelis walk on. It's been interesting to watch.

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What does he know of the Holocaust?

I agree with your article's criticism of the statement made by a supposed responsible Israeli leader, threatening Gaza with a Holocaust. That was both irresponsible and humanly stupid. As a Holocaust survivor I would not wish the idea of a Holocaust on anyone on earth. Yet, I find it impossible to forgive and forget of what Germany's legacy will forever be.

What I would like to experience in the little time that is left to me on this earth (I am 73 years old) is that comradery based on mutual human respect between one another may flourish between Israel and the Palestinians. Jews are who they are and others are who they are also. Can't that be a position of uniqueness between us all rather than a crime against one another? Be who you are, not wishing others to be like you. If that can be a focus in bringing peace to Gaza, I support it one hundred percent. No Holocausts ever again, please.......

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nothing happens to America.

What we read on these boards is anger, what's happening in terra firma will be violent, this anti-Israel sentiment runs very deep.

Don't kid yourselves the groups/activities assembling have their own perspective and agenda that transcends any religious affilaitions. They see it as a line drawn, a binary consequence good v. evil.
Be it Carlucci or Pearle, Judy Miller or Murdock.

Unless this is confronted and healed many bad things will happen. What is so tragic, so selfish about this Israeli/Pentagon/Congressional/Media madness is that it never had to get like this!

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I had a most interesting conversation with a historian, last night. He is writing on the Ottoman Empire and it's interraction with its citizens, over the centuries.

Pointing out the success of that political structure, over many centuries, he explained that when the (large) Jewish population of Baghdad were invited by the Zionists to move to Palestine (sometime like 1900- 1910) there was general laughter at the thought that they should leave this tolerant and comfortable existence, living in peace with their Muslim & Christian fellow citizens, for the shitty scrap of desert that was Palestine.

He also explained, that the central dynamic of Jewish migration into Palestine was the dislike by the British political establishment and aristocracy for Jews. A consequence of this dislike (where in WW1 a chief propagandist for the British Government was John Buchan (the writer, 'The 39 Steps'), a noted anti-semite) was the acquiescence of Balfour (of 'the Balfour Declaration') in Jewish demands to expropriate the then existing residents of Palestine.

"Foreign Office
November 2nd, 1917

Dear Lord Rothschild,

I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.

"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours sincerely,
Arthur James Balfour

His insights included, that the constant dislike of Jews, by these aristos, fuelled a desire to implement a 'Jewish Homeland' in Palestine. (A kind of British 'Final Solution') That this dislike of the Jews, for social and sectarian (& racist) reasons was linked with a slightly romantic view of the 'Chosen People' (Hence British-Israelites) and the help of that military establishment in setting up the Jewish Legion (which I think became the Haganah) and the secondment of e.g. Orde Wingate (who was an enthusiastic evangelical Christian, later General Wingate, WW2) to that organisation.

That the basic impetus in the minds of those imperial mandarins, asides from removing people they disliked from British society, was to destabilise the other interests (French, German) in the Middle East, and worldwide. That this, fundamentally, continues to drive British policy, as exemplified by the Blair government's total co-operation with American and Israeli interests.

Really, really, a bunch of bigoted, hate- filled, conscienceless, EUUGH!

A neat point above, about killing children, and Doctor Gilbert's analogy on killing kittens, and the 'dense inert metal explosive' effects

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Add to the suffering of the Jews the madness that is causing some of them to behave as horribly as any of their oppressors.

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Since WE supply all the military weaponry to the Israeli's which has proven it can shoot a tick off the ass of a dog..These 'Oops' are insulting and indictive of the fact the Isrealis are committing Genocide.
What is even more evidential is their contradictory statement of 'Only going after Hamas strongholds', only to say in the next sentence "hamas is hiding among the civilians"...so they are targeting civilians. but how could they not, Gaza is just a Barrel of fish.
I ONLY Pledged Allegience to the American Flag, Not the 'Star of David' flag, let Israeli stand alone in this Humanitarian atrocity.
If we are attacked again, I will be blaming Israel, Bushco and their Holy Roller 'Friends'-The American blood spilled will be on THEIR hands Too.

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"The claptrap about "pinpoint" accuracy and "avoiding civilians" is a lie so flagrant, so transparent, that any child -- certainly any Gaza child -- could grasp it."

And there you have it, where the so-called terrorist is born and bred. After so many generations of living in this concentration camp, what do the Israelis expect? They have gotten away with generations of murder.
You would think that they would know better- at least have some kind of compassionate diplomacy, after all they have been through throughout history.
This is a direct result of Bush and his neo-con values. If it doesn't walk, talk, think and act like a neo-con, it has no right to live.
This is the worst state of affairs, I hope Obama is able to help the Palestinians.......and the Israelis.

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I have regretfully said it before and I shall regretfully say it again: Israel is acting exactly like the Nazis that they claim to abhor. All the Israeli Army need do now is to make the people of this poor embattled Ghetto put yellow Cresents on the coats of the Palestinians so that they can be singled out even more.

Before one begings to cry "Terrorist" there are Women, Children and the Elderly there -- innocents who are being bombed and terrified and killed. Shoah is not to be taken against such and nor would God -- at least a kindly merciful God --ever have wanted it it so.

Both evil men and women hide behind the bodies of the innocent be it Shoah or the Jihad. In the end a Ghetto is a Ghetto, a Yellow Star of David can easily turn to a Yellow Cresent and a Dead Baby is still a Dead Baby.

Knowing how badly the wounds and scars of a Shoah can remain, instead of continued peace-making in a land already torn, Israel chooses to lower the last curtain and calls for her own Holy War. It's something she will not come back from, I think. Dark Days have come and the flag she has cast isn't her own anymore.

One person's collateral damage is another person's dead child. Bless us all.

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Why are Rachel Madoff and Keith Olbermann ignoring the humanitarian crisis in Gaza?

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Is to handcuff Obama's ability to hold talks with Arab nations.

IDF forces have been deliberately cruel, including 'accidentally' targeting what little food was is Gaza.

Israel knows full well how to enrage the Arabs, and the rest of the world for that matter.

Then there was the big show of 'phoning in' how Rice should vote in the UN, and they let everyone see the blue US-made phosphorous bombs.

To me, it all adds up to subverting Obama's foreign policy options in the Mideast.

The last thing Israel would tolerate would be for the US to be getting along with other nations in the region.

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During this horrific assault, there are protests around the world, including in Israel. I have posted two clips on my blog that include interviews with the Israeli soldiers who are refusing to serve and in Gaza and the views of some of the Arab citizens of Israel (nearly 20% of the population) at a Tel Aviv demonstration. www.suekatz.com

This is an excellent piece and I hope that Alternet will continue to highlight what is happening in Gaza and in occupied Palestine.
Sue Katz

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Wow, pretty sad isnt it. I think its high time we just NUKEN Israel off the face of the planet! Problem solved!

RT
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You wall them apart from one another and from the rest of the world.Then you surround them with American supplied armor and aircraft and you commence genocide.For an Israeli to use the word holocaust shows that these people have lost whatever soul they may once have had.The pathetic rocket launches are the desperate act of a people who have been forced to live lives that make American prison life something to aspire to.Small wonder they will fight to the last man.Where do they go?The world not only looks on,it shouts from the rooftops that it is Israel's right to defend itself.Butchers are butchers.This is exactly like shooting fish in a barrel.Anyone who can still support the terrorist state of Israel has no humanity.This is cold blooded murder and they have hit the UN so many times they have nowhere to hide.When did the state of Israel declare war on the world?I hope the world will respond in kind.

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Every where musilms go they bring death and destruction. The Palestinians living in Gaza could have built it up much like Israel built up the land they were given..it was all desert..one chose peace..Muslims chose war! The difference is apparent!

Anyone forget the muslim led slaughter going on in Africa!.. Of course..Israel isn't involved and media is adraid to say anything negative against muslims for fear of being on their hit list!

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FIRST, Most seem to be forgetting that the Gazans brought their present condition on themselves by not showing neighbor love by continuously launching rockets at their neighbor, and are just like the man who kept hitting his head on a concrete wall and then yelling that it hurts and he needs aid. Neither deserve aid since their condition is due to their OWN WRONG ACTIONS. Also, parents are responsible for the misery they cause to be brought on their children.

SECOND, The Holocaust was very different as this was a condition thrust on many, Jews and others that were not Nazis, and not a condition brought on by their own actions.

THIRD, When one purposely states that he is out to destroy or make none existent his neighbor as the political machine in Gaza has, they can not reasonable expect good treatment by their neighbor and they clearly show that they are NOT SHOWING NEIGHBOR LOVE per Matthew 5:43-45, "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust." (Authorized King James Bible; AV).

FOURTH, So how can any reasonable individual feel sorry for a group that willfully brings on their own misery? Let them mend their ways and start showing neighbor love, and then, I am sure that thir Hebrew – Israelite – brothers will reciprocate. If then, their Hebrew brothers do not reciprocate, then and only then feel sorry for them. But remember the Gazans belong to a group that has always had a lust for violence, greed, and hate since their founding, For more details, go to,

http://religioustruths.proboards59.com/ An Educational Referral Forum

And to sub-topic, RELIGION - VARIOUS -- ISLAM THE SOURCE OF MOST VIOLENCE

And read the facts. If any wish to discuss and/or wish more information, PM me on this forum. Note, I challenge anyone to show even one factual error.

Iris89

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is by no means exclusive, but they reflect the nature of the Zionist occupation of Palestine and Lebanon and show that massacres and expulsions were not aberrations that happen in any war, but organized atrocities with only one aim, that is to have a Zionist state which is 'goyim rein'.

The King David Massacre
The Massacre at Baldat al-Shaikh
YEHIDA MASSACRE
KHISAS MASSACRE
QAZAZA MASSACRE
The Semiramis Hotel Massacre
The Massacre at Dair Yasin
NASER AL-DIN MASSACRE
THE TANTURA MASSACRE
BEIT DARAS MASSACRE
THE DAHMASH MOSQUE MASSACRE
DAWAYMA MASSACRE
HOULA MASSACRE
SHARAFAT MASSACRE
Salha Massacre
The Massacre at Qibya
KAFR QASEM MASSACRE
Khan Yunis Massacre
The Massacre in Gaza City
AL-SAMMOU' MASSACRE
Aitharoun Massacre
Kawnin Massacre
Hanin Massacre
Bint Jbeil Massacre
Abbasieh Massacre
Adloun Massacre
Saida Massacre
Fakhani Massacre
Beirut Massacre
Jibsheet Massacre
Sohmor Massacre
Seer Al Garbiah
Maaraka Massacres
Zrariah Massacre
Homeen Al-Tahta Massacre
Jibaa Massacre
Yohmor Massacre
Tiri massacre
Al-Naher Al-Bared Massacre
Ain Al-Hillwee Massacre
OYON QARA MASSACRE
Siddiqine Massacre
AL-AQSA MOSQUE MASSACRE
THE IBRAHIMI MOSQUE MASSACRE
THE JABALIA MASSACRE
Aramta Massacre
ERETZ CHECKPOINT MASSACRE
Deir Al-Zahrani Massacre
Nabatiyeh (school bus) Massacre
Mnsuriah Massacre
The Sohmor Second Massacre
Nabatyaih Massacre
Qana Massacre
Trqumia Massacr
Janta Massacre
24 Of June 1999 Massacres
Sabra And Shatila Massacre
Western Bekaa villages Massacre

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...check this out, which combines data from a 2006 article, into what's happening now, regarding one of the new WMD's being field tested in Gaza, by the Israelic forces:
FTA

"DIME bombs produce an unusually powerful blast within a relatively small area, spraying a superheated “micro-shrapnel” of powdered Heavy Metal Tungsten Alloy (HMTA). Scientific studies have found that HMTA is chemically toxic, damages the immune system, rapidly causes cancer, and attacks DNA (genotoxic).

"The first reports about ‘Israel’s new weapon’ came from Dr Joma Al-Saqqa, chief of the emergency unit at Gaza’s largest hospital, Al-Shifa. Dr. Al-Saqqa said that Israel was using “a new ‘chemical’ weapon” and its siege was “a live exercise on a new ammunition that, so far, has resulted in killing 50 Palestinians and injuring 200.” He observed that, “despite the damage in internal soft tissue in the bodies of injured people, the fragments were not detected by X-ray. In other words, they had disappeared or dissolved inside the body.

The Iranian PressTV has been particularly diligent in bringing this story to the attention of the world.

"Here is an article from PressTV which contains a transcript of the interview...

"The power of the explosion dissipates very quickly and the strength does not travel long, maybe 10 meters, but those humans who are hit by this explosion, this pressure wave are cut in pieces."

"This was first used in Lebanon in 2006, it was used here in Gaza in 2006 and the injuries that we see in Shifa [Hospital] now, many many of them I suspect and we all suspect are the effect of DIME weapons used by the Israelis."

"On the long term, these weapons will have a cancer effect on those who survive. They will develop cancer we suspect. There has been very little research on this but some research has been among other places in the United States, which show that these weapons have a high tendency to develop cancer. So they kill and those who survive risk having cancer."
...

"Almost all of the patients we have received have these sever amputations. They seem to have been affected by this kind of weapon. Of course, we have many fragment injuries and burns but those who have got their limbs cut off, constitutes quite a large proportion."

"Sadly, I have to also report that this weapon was developed by the US military...
DIME is an LCD (“low collateral damage”) weapon developed at the US Air Force Research Laboratory. Publicly, it is slated for initial deployment in 2008.

"Israel’s new weapon “slices” off its victims’ legs, leaving “signs of heat and burns near the point of the amputation”. It’s “as if a saw was used to cut through the bone”, according to Dr. Habas al-Wahid, head of the ER at Gaza’s Shuhada al-Aqsa hospital. So this weapon is designed to be a highly targeted anti-personnel weapon.”

Not a word of this from our Ministry of Propanganda, no surprise since this latest abomination of hell is of course a MIC creation.

Makes you proud to be American, don't it?

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The NY Times reports today that, true to form, Israel shelled the headquarters of the UN Relief and Works Agency, along with other buildings in central Gaza. What's more disturbing is the mounting evidence of the use of white phosphorous, its effects on victims not unlike napalm, which burns flesh to the bone. How can we not hold our elected representatives accountable for these mounting atrocities? Are they all Zionist shills? What about their humanitarian side? There will not be peace as long as we endorse and enable (financially & militarily) Israel to continue this course of action. We must let our leaders know how we feel about these happenings; the greatest threat is our own security right here in the US. Our permissiveness vis-a-vis Israel may soon come back to haunt us!

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"This latest war -- called Operation Cast Lead -- is the "holocaust" promised by Israel's Deputy Defense Minister Matan Vilnai last spring when he said Israel would create a shoa if Qassem rockets kept dropping on Israeli towns like Sderot. Shoa, Hebrew for holocaust, is a serious word denoting the extermination of an entire people. Vilnai embarrassed the Israeli government, and no official has used the term since."

And then the authour INFATICALLY STATES: "this is the holocust that was promised"....

the AUTHOR

1..SKIPS RIGHT OVER THE FACT THAT ROCKETS AND MISSLES SHOT FROM GAZA BY THE PALESTINIANS .....CONTINUED TO TARGET ISRAELI CIVILIAN TERRORITY.

2, SKIPPED RIGHT OVER THE QUESTION OF WHY THE PALESTINIAN'S PURPOSE WAS TO INSTIGATE A WAR.......

3. CLEARLY STATED THAT A LONE COMMANDER in A MOMENTARY FLASH OF ANGER RESPONDING TO ROCKET DISTRUCTION some time agO may have made this point........AND ISREAL DID NOT ACT ON THAT ANGER..NOR DID ANY ISREALI GENERAL OR GOVERNMENT SUPPORT THESE WORDS.....

4. DID NOT MENTION THAT FROM DAY ONE.....DISTROYING ISRAEL WAS THE CONSTITANT ARAB GOAL...a MANTRA THAT HAMAS CONTINUES TO WORK TOWARDS .....IN OTHER WORDS A HOLOCUST ON ISREAL ...GENOCIDE ON ISREALIS IS THE PALESTINIAN MANTRA...AND IN ORWELLIAN STYLE HAMAS-- NEWS REPORTS SUCH AS THIS ONE IN ALTERNET..WORK TO SPREAD THE LIE.

5. AND THAT PALESTINIAN ROCKETS AND MISSLES KEPT FLYING INTO ISRAEL

SO...THE QUESTION IS:

a, Is the Author so fixed in her opinion that she cannot see the cold hard facts that she so clearly laid out?

b. Is the author purposefully confusing the truth by burying the cold hard facts in a barge of accusations that only make sense if you do not notice the WHOLE spectrum of facts.?????

AND WHY WOULD THE AUTHOR GIVE SO BIASED An INTRETATION?

AND WHY WOULD ALTERNET ALLOW THIS?

THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FREE SPEECH AND PISSING ON THE TRUTH.....

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And there you have it, straight from the horse's ass.

The Zionists have lost the moral right to complain about the Nazi's holocaust. You should replace the star of david on your flag with a swastika.

sieg heil, mein likkud.

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As i have stated before.......PLO has not allowwed Isreal to transport Palestinian from their camps into h ouses that Israel built for the Palestinians. And to force the Palestinians to conform..they threatened them.

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I read briefly about the Warsaw Ghetto... and it strikes me that there is a very strong parallel here.

The Palestinians are firing virtual bottle rockets into Israel from Gaza. Granted, it must stop, but the Israeli occupation of Gaza must end, as well. Blocking humanitarian relief, much less normal commerce and human traffic, sounds like something the Nazis would have done (or the US does, come to think of it...).

Will the Israelis now try to kill every Palestinian male alive in Gaza? They're certainly killing a lot of children.

I may never be able to forgive them (or the US for its unwavering support of Israel despite its actions) for these crimes.

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The Jews learned a lot from the Nazis - Israel's fighting nature comes from the lessons of the Holloost. What they didn't seem to learn was that Hollocosts turn passive, peaceful people into tough fighting people. That people with nothing to lose are dangerous. I think Israel is creating its own finale and it's really a shame, it had so many opportunities to live in peace with its neighbors.

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Well Israel, in your bid to never again be at the mercy of fascist anti-semitist you have become what you feared, a ruthless, inhuman killing monster. I abhor you Israel, may these crimes enrage your vengeful god, may you reap what you sow...for we all get whats coming sooner or later. The world will always know your true nature Israel,...a Nazi Fascist State! Adolf Hitler, if he was alive now, would be proud of you!

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By  Yashiko Sagamori If you are so sure that Palestine, the country, goes  back through most of recorded history, I expect you to be able to  answer a few basic questions about that country of Palestine:
1.  When was it founded and by whom? 2. What were its borders? 3. What  was its capital? 4. What were its major cities? 5. What  constituted the basis of its economy? 6. What was its form of  government? 7. Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before  Arafat? 8. Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence,  at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation? 9. What  was the language of the country of **Palestine**? 10. What was the prevalent  religion of the country of **Palestine**? 11.  What was the name of its currency? Choose any date in history and tell  what was the approximate exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against the US dollar, G erman mark, GB pound, Japanese yen, or Chinese yuan on that date. 12. And, finally, since  there is no such country today, what caused its  demise and when did it occur? You are lamenting the 'low  sinking' of a 'once proud' nation. Please tell me  when exactly was that 'nation' proud and what was it so proud of? And here is the least  sarcastic question of all: ....if  they really have a genuine ethnic identity that gives them right for self-determination, why did they never try to become independent until Arabs suffered their devastating defeat in the Six Day  War? I hope you avoid the  temptation to trace the modern day 'Palestinians' to the  Biblical Philistines: substituting etymology for history won't work  here. The truth should be  obvious to everyone who wants to know it. Arab countries  have never abandoned the dream of destroying **Israel**; they still  cherish it today. Having time and again failed to achieve their evil  goal with military means, they decided to fight **Israel** by proxy.  For that purpose, they created a terrorist organization, cynically  called it 'the Palestinian people' and installed it in **Gaza**,  **Judea** and **Samaria**. How else can you explain the refusal by  **Jordan** and **Egypt** to unconditionally accept back the '**West  Bank**' and **Gaza**, respectively? The  fact is, Arabs populating Gaza, Judea and Samaria have much less claim  to nationhood than that Indian tribe that successfully emerged in Connecticut with the purpose of starting a tax-exempt casino: at least that tribe had a constructive goal that motivated them. The so-called 'Palestinians' have only one motivation: the destruction of  **Israel**, and in my book that is not sufficient to consider them a  nation' -- or anything else except what they really are: a terrorist  organization that will one day be  dismantled. In fact, there is only one  way to achieve peace in the **Middle East**. Arab countries must  acknowledge and accept their defeat in their war  against Israel and, as the losing side should, pay **Israel** reparations for the more than 50 years of devastation they have  visited on it. The most appropriate form of such reparations would be  the removal of their terrorist organization from the land of Israel  and accepting Israel's ancient sovereignty over Gaza, Judea and  Samaria. That will mark the end of  the Palestinian people. What  are you saying again was its beginning?** ____________________________________  

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what Hitler did to them.
Same as blacks in California voting to take away the rights of gays.

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Not that I believe any of this crap but....doesn't your story book claim that God created everything? So doesn't that mean God created the Devil?

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You become what you hate.

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Just because the fighting has gone on since the beginning of time doesn't make it right. Reasons have been created and updated over the ages to validate the killing that has become a way of life. Regardless of the reaons DuJour the mindless killing of civilians (mostly children) cannot be justified. Everyone hollering about their religion and various holy books and instructions from their god is no longer acceptable. The killing is immoral by any standards. Children are dying because the adults aren't civilized. What do they think the children who survie will be like. They'll simply keep up the tradition and find someone who likes killing as much as they do. And I'm convinced that they like it. Numbers alone make Israel the bully here. They should stop the killing, stop the whining and set up a two state arrangement. That can be done without wiping out the smaller state. There's the rest of the world to consider. Not everyone wants their children to grow up to be warriors. The whole world is watching and we don't like what we see. Thanks, ANNA

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Dr. Norman Finkelstein writes:

"Israel broke the ceasefire by going into the Gaza and killing six or seven Palestinian militants. At that point—and now I'm quoting the official Israeli website—Hamas retaliated or, in retaliation for the Israeli attack, then launched the missiles."

Hamas wants a diplomatic settlement of the conflict along the June 1967 border.

Hamas has joined most of the international community, overwhelmingly the international community, in seeking a diplomatic settlement. And at that point, Israel was faced with what Israelis call a Palestinian peace offensive. And in order to defeat the peace offensive, they sought to dismantle Hamas.

Every year, the United Nations General Assembly votes on a resolution entitled "Peaceful Settlement of the Palestine Question." And every year the vote is the same: it's the whole world on one side; Israel, the United States and some South Sea atolls and Australia on the other side. The vote this past year was 164-to-7. Every year since 1989—in 1989, the vote was 151-to-3, the whole world on one side, the United States, Israel and the island state of Dominica on the other side.

We have the Arab League, all twenty-two members of the Arab League, favoring a two-state settlement on the June 1967 border. We have the Palestinian Authority favoring that two-state settlement on the June 1967 border. We now have Hamas favoring that two-state settlement on the June 1967 border. The one and only obstacle is Israel, backed by the United States. That's the problem.

Well, the record shows that Hamas wanted to continue the ceasefire, but only on condition that Israel eases the blockade. Long before Hamas began the retaliatory rocket attacks on Israel, Palestinians were facing a humanitarian crisis in Gaza because of the blockade. The former High Commissioner for Human Rights, Mary Robinson, described what was going on in Gaza as a destruction of a civilization. This was during the ceasefire period.

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Israel pulled all its soldiers out of Gaza
in 2005. It left the Gazans to do whatever
they wished with their economy, their land,
their natural resources, their cultural and
religious and political life-- except one
thing. Israel refused to allow itself to
be attacked militarily from Gaza. Well, on
paper it refused. Actually it turned a blind
eye to a weapons build-up and to the occasional
rocket attack, in hopes that somehow the
situation would work itself out. Surely at
some point the Gazans would wear their
anger thin and start suggesting that their
elected leaders give them a little quality
of life instead of hate rhetoric and UN rations.
Meanwhile, Israel supervised the Gazan
borders for one purpose only-- so
that the people smuggling rockets
in to shoot against Israel wouldn't smuggle
more serious weaponry in as well. Finally,
after 6000 rockets, Israel decided it had
waited long enough-- longer than any other
sane nation would wait. It targeted the
Hamas arms buildup and the Hamas leadership.
Hamas had stored its weapons in schools
and mosques-- because it wants Israel to think
twice before attacking, and Israel does think
twice. Had Israel been targeting civilians
in that crowded Gazan cityscape, many more
of them would be dead by now. Hamas, meanwhile,
is violating international law by hiding among
its civilians rather than sheltering them.
But as Patton said, "The object of war is not
to die for your country but to make the other
bastard die for his." If for Israel the
price of stopping her own civilians from being
killed is the killing of civilians who are
located next to Hamas leaders or weapons,
then what can it do? Only warn the civilians
(which it does as thorougly as it can),
take aim (which it does as carefully as
it can), and fire.

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camp in pale comparison. And no, I'm not a Muslim hater in case some freak on this site incorrectly guesses.

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There's a lot of data here. Rather than parrot it all to you, read for yourself.

Question and Answer on Gaza

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As long as there is an OCCUPATION, there will be no peace.

Who would want to live under an occupation?

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… says Israel to the world but especially to the Palestinians and Arabs in the wider sense.

Although – I, Israel, have done and will continue to:

For The Word -
- Water down, change, reject and ultimately simply ignore all UN-SC Resolutions
- Continue to give a damn about International Law, Agreements and Arrangements under which I have put my signature and on top of it you must accept that the Human Rights don’t concern me a bit

For The (non-existing) Palestinians

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Gilbert and other experts think Israel is also using a new weapon called dense inert metal explosive. It was developed by the United States to create lethal, powerful blasts within small areas. DIME inflicts wounds never before seen by surgeons in Gaza. According to Gilbert, conventional shrapnel damages limbs and other body parts as if they'd been cut by a huge knife. DIME, on the other hand, leaves "no signs of shrapnel," but rather "small pieces of some kind of substance" (DIME is made of nickel and cobalt). It crushes "the whole limb," not just part, with "multiple severe fractures, muscles split from bones." Some classify DIME weapons as nuclear because they are based on a fusion process. (Democracy Now, Jan. 14.)
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"Take some kittens … in a box. Seal up the box, then jump on it with all your weight and might, until you feel their little bones crunching, and you hear the last muffled little mew," a surgeon named Jamal tells Italian writer Vittorio Arigoni. Bloodstained boxes are fetched; Jamal opens one. It contains "amputated limbs, legs and arms, some from the knee down, others with the entire femur attached . . . from the injured at the Al Fakhura United Nations school in Jabalia, which resulted in more than 50 casualties."

Jamal says, "Israel trapped hundreds of civilians inside a school as if in a box, including many children, and then crushed them with all the might of its bombs. What were the world's reactions? Almost nothing. We would have been better off as animals rather than Palestinians. We would have been more protected."

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The EVIL on Display Here can't simply be wiped out by killing the perpetrators

They will almost certainly have fucked and passed on their Genes

And I do not believe in executing Children

The EVIL ZIONISTS will just be kept in Jail - without any Torture - they can even have a few birds if they like - or whatever interests them

So long as they realise that they will die in Prison and serve as an example - like a ZOO - what happens to such EVIL People

Palestine will eventually become a free country again with jews and arabs living in peace and harmony. They will eventually realise that their religion is an irrelevance and that they are just the same as them

Tony

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… says Israel to the world but especially to the Palestinians and Arabs in the wider sense.

Although – I, Israel, have done and will continue to do:

For The World -

- Water down, change, reject and ultimately simply ignore all UN-SC Resolutions

- Continue to give a damn about International Law, Agreements and Arrangements under which I have put my signature and on top of it you must accept that the Human Rights don’t concern me a bit

For The (non-existing) Palestinians –

- I will continue to twist and turn your thousands of years old history in order that it fits my narrative and not yours anymore – but you MUST love me

- I will continue on daily basis to strangle and humiliate you with my continuous military occupation of your land – but you MUST love me

- I will continue to kill your family members – but you MUST love me

- I will continue to destroy your houses – but you MUST love me

- I will continue to kill you while you’re working your fields – but you MUST love me

- I will continue to uproot your trees and orchards – but you MUST love me

- I will continue to dispossess you – but you MUST love me

- I will continue to burn your land – but you MUST love me

- I will continue to wall you in, to steal your aquifers and to grab the rest of your fertile land – but you MUST love me

- I will spirit you out of your land wherever I can – but you MUST love me

- I will continue to make your life within and outside your homeland miserable because I will on daily basis dehumanize you – but you MUST love me

- At the end I will take your entire land away from you – but you MUST love me

- I will hunt you down in the remotest corners of this earth and make sure that you don’t have one single peaceful day in case I decide that you are a terrorist – but you MUST love me

- And if this is not enough and you still resist I will make sure that the west will equally hate you, what you stand for and what you believe in – but you MUST love me

But as you still don’t love me after all this beautiful, generous and humane things I have done for you – you are a person full of hate, a liar, a criminal, a terrorist, a Jew hater – in one word: an anti Semite of the worst kind.

Yours, Israel

~*~*~

Isn't this in a nutshell the story?

Rgds, B.

~*~*~

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James A. Swanson
www.bushleagueofnations.com [For FREE download of entire book]

We must work harder to reject the mainstream notion in America’s Big Media that peace in the Middle East is impossible.

America must stop supporting—whether out of fear or ignorance—every rightwing Israeli initiative that relies on violence, or is based on the insane premise that peaceful alternatives should be considered only after all military options have been exhausted.

Notwithstanding enormous obstacles, peace in the Middle East is possible.

After eight years in the wilderness, hope returns next week in the form of Barack Obama.

He and we should remember the contributions of Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton to peace.

Carter’s sustained efforts helped lead to the signing of a permanent peace agreement between Israel and Egypt in 1979—a peace agreement that has never been broken. That required Carter’s strength, integrity and moral leadership—in short, diplomacy—something missing from Bush’s and the GOP’s toolkit.

Likewise, Clinton had a key role in supporting the peace process that led to the signing of a permanent peace agreement between Israel and Jordan in 1994, which agreement has never been broken.

This and much more is discussed in, “The Bush League of Nations: The Coalition of the Unwilling, the Bullied and the Bribed – the GOP’s War on Iraq and America,” by James A. Swanson (2008, CreateSpace Publishing, 448 pages).

Patriots everywhere can download the entire book for free at www.bushleagueofnations.com.

I ask for nothing in return, except that you perhaps use my book to help restore and build America.

Jim Swanson, Los Altos, CA
“The Bush League of Nations”
www.bushleagueofnations.com [for FREE download of entire book]

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Gaza is only the latest example of what we see happening all over the world...criminal gangs taking over the reigns of governments and using nihilistic methods to maintain and expand their power over the world's resources and people.

Nixon once stated fabulously "I am not a crook" How many of the worlds so-called leaders can say THAT now?

Oh no, the phrase has been expanded recently to be "I am not a crook, nor am I a genocidal resource hoarding tyrant"

The brazenness of the attacks point glaringly to the position that Israel must not only feel justified in slaughtering innocents, but that they are also beyond or above reproach...It is only wishful or magical thinking that Israel will "reap what it sows" This is religious thinking...

...The real world is not a religious one. The real world is one based on power, and power is chiefly defined as the power to control, hurt, maim and kill people who do not bend to your will...

The only way to rid the world of tyrants and tyranical governments is to destroy them...they know this, and so, they do not even flinch at working to destroy us and our civilizations...We attempt to change the world through peaceful means, the nihilists kill and leaves waves of destruction in their wakes.

We you see whole cultures that are being "vaporized", and whole tracts of land being "rendered unlivable" it is obvious just who the nihilists are...but it is an illusion to believe we can fight the nihilists with peace...

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Gaza – Understanding An Absurd Situation That Is Illogical:

THE PROBLEM:

The absurdity of crying crocodile tears over the civilians in Gaza who really brought their own problem on themselves by voting into office a terrorist government, namely Hamas, full well knowing that Hamas has only one interest – the destruction of Israel.

Its ridicules the Arab world concern and sympathy for the Gazans when they showed zero concern for the Hebrews – Israelites – their brother descendants of Abraham when they were daily having rockets shot at them by the Gazans. Yet they are so concerned about the deaths of 400 or so Hamas terrorists and some collateral civilian deaths. This is lopsided concern. If they had been concerned about the rockets being shot at the Hebrews, and put a stop to it, what is now happening would NEVER have even occurred. Likewise, the Arabs show little concern that Sunni Muslims have murdered over 8,000 of their fellow Muslims in Iraq and other countries. Their victims being either blown up or gunned down, some beheaded. The victims? Innocent men, women, children and the aged.

To paraphrase Golda Meir, peace will only come to the Middle East when Arab mothers and fathers are more concerned about the lives and futures of their children than the destruction of Israel; to whit, when they take to heart Jesus (Yeshua) Christ words at Matthew 5:43-45, “Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.” (Authorized King James Bible; AV). In other words, they need to practice being good neighbors, instead of being bad neighbors.

Yes, without question, the Hebrews – Israel’s – incursion into Gaza is distressing and many Arabs express rage about it; but this reminds us that there should have been equal rage against the Gazans’ continuous rocket attacks against the Hebrews – Israel. One can only imagine the response in London, Paris, or Los Angeles if rocket attacks were daily occurrences.

One group, Islamic Tube, had the nerve to send me a request for donations to the Gazans’, but if they can continue to spend money on rockets and munitions to foment terror and strife – then they need no donations and/or assistance. Let them instead spend the money of necessary items and make peace with their neighbors and become good neighbors. As I told Islamic Tube, “There are many people needing aid in the world today, especially the poor indian children in Guatemala and the poor Africans in Durfar, but the people in Gaza brought the problem on themselves by launching rockets at their neighbor instead of being neighborly and showing neighbor love as we all should per Matthew 5:43-45, [[see previous quote of same]][ What you are asking is not reasonable as it is like being asked to help a man or keeps hitting his head into a concrete wall - he and the Gazans are totally responsible for their own missery, now let them accept that responsibility and send aid to those who need it and ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR CONDITION.”

Read remainder at:

http://religioustruths.proboards59.com/ under sub-title Exposing False Belief A Loving Act

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This is the latest figure from Gaza (Al Jazeera report).

It is not to be believed. On top of it one has to read this "holy crap" that it is their own fault.

Would anyone think it's the Jews fault what happened to them in the Warsaw Ghetto? Treblinka? Bergen-Belsen? Auschwitz?

I do not understand any of the so-called politicians - like Bush, Rice, Merkel et al - who can still whole heartedly support such a Nazi-Fascist-State. Sorry but I don't find any better description of Israel.

And all these unnecessary massacres will make the world unsecure for whom? The people of Jewish faith. And the Zionists in Israel and DC know this darn well.

And who's fault is it? The Palestinians ... naturally!

I could puke!

B.

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Israel is a rogue state committing war crimes and crimes against humanity and should be treated as such. I could care less what religion its people are.

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Israel using Gaza as 'test laboratory' for new weapon: medics

4 days ago

OSLO (AFP) — Israel is testing a new "extremely nasty" type of weapon in Gaza, two medics charged as they returned home to Norway Monday after spending 10 days working at a hospital in the war-torn Palestinian territory.

"There's a very strong suspicion I think that Gaza is now being used as a test laboratory for new weapons," Mads Gilbert told reporters at Oslo's Gardermoen airport, commenting on the kinds of injuries he and his colleague Erik Fosse had seen while working at the Shifa Hospital in Gaza.

The two medics, who were sent into the war zone by the pro-Palestinian aid organisation NORWAC on December 31, said they had seen clear signs that Dense Inert Metal Explosives (DIME), an experimental kind of explosive, were being used in Gaza.

"This is a new generation of very powerful small explosives that detonates with an extreme power and dissipates its power within a range of five to 10 metres (16-98 feet)," said Gilbert, 61.

Read the article I have linked to and there are other reports. Please report this atrocity:

Israel using Gaza as 'test laboratory' for new weapon: medics

See this 2 minute video report by a Swiss medic:
DIME Weapons - Stop Israel's massacre of Palestinians in Gaza

And read the entire interview here:
Unconventional weapons used against Gazans

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The world community is pressuring the United States to stop arming and giving diplomatic immunity to Israel.
This Israeli bombing of Gaza is inhumane and criminal.
It amounts to Genocide and those responsible ought to be brought before an international criminal court of justice.

The corporate fascist media in the U.S are nothing but Zionist apologists.

The time has come for Israel to STOP once and for all its evil colonial occupation of Palestine.
We have had enough with this domination, this unjust war against the Palestinians.
Israel has engaged in an ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people, and in a outgoing expansion
of their Jewish settlements on Palestinian territories for years now.

Hamas is a consequence of the brutal, abusive and ruthless Israeli occupation.
The Palestinian people and Hamas are simply resisting and fighting for their freedom.
It's a struggle for liberation and self determination.
And for an autonomy and sovereignty that Israel has deny them for way too long now.

As long as Israel continues its heinous crimes against the Palestinians
There will be no "security for Israel" and no peace in the middle east.

We owe it to the Palestinian people to have autonomy over their territories without Israeli intervention,
occupation and control of their borders.

All the Palestinians want is a sovereign Palestinian state or Palestinian territories.
And a peaceful coexistence with Israel.

Guillermo Kuhl
gkuhl3@bellsouth.net

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He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt.
He has been given a large brain by mistake, science for him the spinal cord would fully suffice.
This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once.
Heroism at command, senseless brutality, deplorable love-of-country stance, how violently I hate all this,
how despicable an ignorable war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action!
It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder." (Albert Einstein)
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by Rayed Darwish on January 1, 2009 #61950
An existing occupation

How can I recognise your right to exist when you deny my right to live?
How can you yearn for peace when it is peace you cannot give?

How do we negotiate when we are not part of the negotiations?
How can we build bridges when you tear down all relations?

How come you cannot see that David has become Goliath?
How can the world see the truth if forever it is covered by myth?

Let me breath, let me move, allow me my right to unrestrained existence
But if not, you shall forever build a wall sprayed with bloodied resistance

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When people elect a terrorist organization as their government they should get what they deserve.
No question about that.

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Iris, OK – you say you don’t visit Zionists or Hamas’ propaganda sites – then why don’t you leave both of them alone? Instead you’re doing nothing but constantly sitting on their heads with your (un)holy message. It seems to me you just cannot accept the simple truths. Zionistic Israel has never and will never accept Palestinians (Christians and Moslems) to live on that “promised” peace of land. End of the story.

~*~*~
So let’s talk politics. (From my previous postings)

Any answers to that?:

“E.g. Annapolis: among other things Israel was supposed to reduce the roadblocks in the West Bank. Ooops - they must have misunderstood something. After Annapolis the road blocks in the West Bank went up from 521 to 694 ...!

Jump back in history to 1949: the UN had to note in the protocol of the Lausanne conference of that year that the peace negotiations failed because ... of the instransigence of Israel.

One can check all agreements in between; may it be the 1982 proposal, the Oslo Agreement I and II, the Why River Accord, the Tenet Plan, the Road Map, the Beirut 2000 Initiative, the Geneva Initiative ... up unto the latest ceasefire which was naturally violated by the Hamas - as the Israeli incursion on 4/5 Nov. and the killings which preceded the rockets are not allowed to be noticed. Beautiful Propaganda machine - you work so nicely!”

~*~*~

Any answer to that?:

“What about the Israelis which are put in harms way by their government?

You quoted Golda Meir:

"... Arab mothers and fathers are more concerned about the lives and futures of their children ..."

Believe me once Israel allows them to have a semi-decent life - free of occupation, horror and terror inflicted upon them by Isrel - they will do exactly that: taking care of the lives and futures of their children.

The very same way as they used to do, BEFORE the zionist project was implanted in their midst.

~*~*~

How come though it is of no concern to you that Israel is placing its citizens purposefully and willingly in harms way? Doesn't this bother you an iota?

After all, more than HALF A MILLION of people are living (illegally) in the occupied territories in illegally errected settlements - men, women and children. Put there by the Israeli government, full knowing that they can be at any moment in time injured or killed by the resistance fighters. And naturally against all international law and peace agreements Israel ever put its signature to!

You do have a rather strange outlook and logic I must confess ...”

And please spare me you (un)holy messages – thanks.

B.

PS Does your God have any remedy against the chemical warfare which is going on in Gaza right now?

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The fantatical anti-Palestinian member of the Knesset, Avigdor Lieberman, apparently called for the use against the Palestinian inmates of the Gaza prison camp, the firestorm technique employed against Japan by the US during WWII.

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The analogy is the Warsaw Ghetto. The jackboot is on the other foot.

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This latest genocidal atrocity perpetuated by Israel against the people of Gaza brings us one step closer to what I believe will be terrible consequences for the entire world. I believe the schism between the Jews and Palestinians will only widen and that the Palestinians will continue to remain impotent relative to the might of the Israeli military. But, I also believe the Israelis, like all unjust powers of the past, will fall. That fall will be precipitated from outside its borders, primarily from surrounding Arab countries. I believe radical elements within those Arab countries will eventually overthrow their respective governments. When Iran is added to the mix, well it's all over! Israel's days will be numbered, and so will ours. Our blind support of that awful country will bite us in the ass. The United States will likely be drawn into a war, not necessarily to save its ally Israel, but more to forcibly seize the oil it so desperately needs. That is where I believe we are headed. Israel will be the undoing of us all.

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I not convinced that the "schism" is not being controlled and manipulated for gross global consumption. There's more here than meets the light of day...

I think the whole "ordo ab chao" of the secret societies and co is at play here. The great powers are involved in BOTH sides of the conflict...they want war in order to better CONTROL the outcome and subsequent temporary resolution...it's textbook Hegelian dialectic...

the darkness is within, not just on the other side...these emergencies and wars are MANUFACTURED for global public consumption...it is the public that keeps their leaders in power and their own fear of revolution...the goal is to keep all sides in conflict, continuous warfare, government by emergency decree, economic stagnation, segregation, ethnic cleansing, de-pop tactics, and control of resources and tactical and stategic throughways and chokepoints....iran's gas and oil and the entire continent of africa are the prizes sought. Eygpt is the throughway to the continent. The future of africa goes through egypt

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History didn't begin in 1948. This is a long-term religious war that began with a claim that G-d somehow abandoned the Jews and that it was now supporting Islam as the only true belief. Jews were slaughtered by thousands by Mohammed and his followers. Hamas follows this same belief and is dedicated to exterminating the Jews. All the anti-Semitic propaganda you generate won't change this. The Jews were not allowed to worship in the Old City when it was under Palestinian control unlike the current situation in which the Temple Mount/Noble Sanctuary is controlled by Muslims. Hate the Jews if you like, but the consequences of continued rockets fired randomly at civilian targets were spelled out. Hamas' choice to operate terrorism out of civilian areas is their choice and their responsibility. This does not make war acceptable, but the situation is a two-way street.

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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1056648.html

They have gone to far to silence the world when it rises up in protest against genocide. This little group of self interested "terrorists" who would destroy democracy and free speech. Is this not what they feared most?

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The harm from chemicals and weapons in that part of the world may kill them all (as well as damage our military). Matters little who was right.

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Let's congratulate these Jews for their ability to outdo Germany's inhumnity to man. The third reich must have been a university to these people, to learn first hand to not only de-humanize but to destroy a race in the most inhumane, vile possible way. I pray that Israel will one day reflect on the treatment of their ancestry and vow that they will never again revitalize the persecution that was a part to their history.

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Give The Hebrews Back Their Wrongly Occupied Land

[1] The land of all Palestine belongs to the Hebrews - Isralites and not to the Ishmaelites - Hamas. For details, read the 34 th. Chapter of Numbers in the Bible.

[2] In the 7 th. Century, Muslim Caliphs stole the land of the Hebrews - Isralites - and wrongly occupied the land - a wrongful occupation maintained until today in many parts of Palestine. Al the Hebrews did was to take back some of their land. Some need to study history from 1,500 BC to present and start learning reality.

[3] All wrongful occupations should come to an end with the occupiers going back to where their ancestors came from. Take the example of America who rightfully occupied Japan after WWII, they built up the country and then LEFT.

[4] Peace, not cease fires, is what is needed. Hamas does NOT believe in peace and believes that Israel, the true owner of Palestine, should not exist - a wicked assumption.

[5] I am NOT a supporter of Israel, nor am I either a Jew or Zionist, but a conscious objector who believes in peace and what the Son of God [an individual who most of Jews do not believe in] Jesus (Yeshua) said, at Matthew 5:43-45, "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust." Hamas does not believe in peace, but I believe that the Hebrews, Israelites, may believe in and want same.

[6] If any have questions and/or further questions, they can go to the following forum and PM me.

http://religioustruths.proboards59.com/ An Educational Referral Forum

Iris89

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As I posted to a post I made elsewhere that I received many unwarranted negative comments, I want the truth to be known. Also, I am challenging anyone as shown below to even show one thing I am presenting is in error.

Many uninformed ones and/or ones that do NOT want to know the truth have:

[1] Been calling me names and making false accusations about me.

[2] Telling outright untruths about factual matters to favor those in the WRONG, the Gazans

[3] Have been telling me I do not know what I am speaking about – however, I know the subject of WRONGLY occupied land better for sure than any other poster.

[4] Most have failed to be objective and to call a ‘spade a spade’ and be honest.

Well I have just concluded an exhaustive study of occupied lands with major emphasis on Palestine along with a historical narrative covering about 3,500 years from 1,500 BCE to present and am presenting it in a clear honest and balanced way [[which I can do better than others as I am neither a Gazan, Zionist, Hebrew, Jew or anyone else with a stake in the outcome that blinds them to the truth. I am an Ishmaelite who pulls no punches with respect telling the truth]].

Now to read my analytic report,

[go to] Who Are The Wrongful Occupiers In Palestine? A Short Look At History:

Which can be found at,

http://religioustruths.proboards59.com/

An Educational Referral Forum under the sub-heading, WELCOME AND ANOUNCEMENT :: LAND TITLE SUMMARY

Also, I am throwing out a challenge to one and all -- I defy anyone to show even one error in the facts, the reality per John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Authorized King James Bible; AV) I am presenting.

Anyone wishing more information and/or to discuss can PM me on the above forum.

Iris89

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