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Now I Understand Why They Hate Us

By David Hilfiker, AlterNet. Posted January 12, 2009.


How a middle-class white guy came to accept the evil embedded in American political and military might.
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Shortly after the attacks of 9/11, many American voices raised the question, "Why do they hate us?" The "they," in this case, was Muslim fundamentalists, but the same question could have been asked of South American peasants, of the people of Iraq or Iran, of the poor of India or Indonesia, or, indeed, of the poor anywhere.

In fact, "they" don't only hate us; the feelings of people around the world toward the United States are a complex mixture of positive and negative. On the one hand, for instance, much of the rest of the world is excited by the election of Barack Obama. Almost six years ago, visiting Iraq just before the American invasion, I listened to Iraqis who professed their admiration for much of America and how American democracy has been a "beacon" to the rest of the world. On the other hand, those same Iraqis felt betrayed by the United States that would attack a country that did not threaten it. And by 2008, multiple polls of people around the world revealed a deep anger toward our country: Clear majorities believe us to be the "greatest danger to world peace." My own coming to understand why they hate us has been a painful process, but one I consider important to share with any American who still does not understand.

My Own Conditioning: The City Upon a Hill

I grew up in the 1950s. Americans were still celebrating our critical role in defeating Germany and Japan and, we thought, protecting the world from fascism. Our economy was as big as the combined economies of the rest of the world put together, and we had used some of that economic power through the Marshall Plan to successfully rebuild the economies of war-shattered Europe. We were the rising empire, and we saw ourselves as the world's savior. It seemed to us (middle-class whites) a time of prosperity and suburbanization, an era of magnanimity and cooperation, a period of confidence that our national path would be continuously upward. I remember predictions that our increasing economic productivity would enable us to halve the work week within a generation while still raising our standard of living.

As a society, however, we generally chose not to see the more ominous realities. Few of us reflected upon the wanton destruction of innocent life in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The CIA-instigated overthrow of democratically elected leaders in Iran, Guatemala and elsewhere and, a little later, the assassination attempts on Fidel Castro were only outlandish rumors (that only "the paranoid" believed). The white majority could still ignore segregation. I did not find out about the bizarre, anti-communist antics of Sen. Joe McCarthy until I was in college, a decade later.

Little of our dark side entered my consciousness in the 1950s and early 1960s. Rather, I grew up with the unarticulated sense that our nation was nearing the perfect society; we were "almost there," not so distant from the Kingdom of God. In Puritan Christian terminology, we were the "city upon a hill," "the light of the world" that should not be hidden. God had blessed us; we saw ourselves as exceptional people  and exceptionally righteous. In 1963, I hitchhiked from London through Europe to Finland to visit my future wife, and I do not remember feeling surprised that the American flag on my luggage made it easier to get rides. Of course foreigners loved Americans; who wouldn't?

Paradoxically, even the moral and political disaster of the Vietnam War reinforced my sense that America would continue to move toward its ideal. I came of age during the war and joined in active opposition to it, ultimately refusing induction into the Army. While still in college, I became a speaker for the War Resisters League, touring campuses and lecturing against the war. I learned about some of the disturbing realities of American imperialism in Southeast Asia, of course, but -- again without articulating it to myself -- I judged it a momentary anomaly of, rather than a continuation of, our history.

Not until much later did I make the connections between the killing of 2 million to 3 million Vietnamese (the vast majority innocent civilians) with the genocide of Native Americans or the enslavement of African Americans or the deaths of the half-million Filipino civilians who died following our 1898 attempt to control their country. Rather, I interpreted the strength of our anti-war protests to block the re-election of President Johnson and ultimately force withdrawal from Vietnam as manifestation of the power and hope of American democracy. Despite the fact that a few years later during my second trip to Europe I was better off hitchhiking without the American flag, the Vietnam War and our resistance to it strengthened my faith in our country, its democracy and its inherent goodness.

During the 1970s and early 1980s, I was immersed in medical school and doctoring in a small town in northern Minnesota. The war in Vietnam was over, I was not paying much attention to foreign affairs, and I was completely unaware of American interventions in Central and South America (such as the CIA participation in the overthrow of the democratically elected Allende government in Chile). From my point of view, American society seemed to work pretty well. We were still the city upon a hill.


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David Hilfiker, M.D., spent his medical career as a physician with low-income people in rural Minnesota and inner-city Washington. He is the founder of Joseph’s House, a home and hospice for homeless men and women with AIDS and/or cancer. No longer in active practice, he is a lecturer and teacher and author of books and numerous articles on poverty and other subjects. His most recent book is Urban Injustice: How Ghettos Happen.

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Ignorance is not bliss
Posted by: missdd on Jan 13, 2009 1:15 AM   
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I live abroad and can confirm that people overseas have had many good reasons to hate us. At the same time, they sincerely believe we are the only country that still has the capacity to change and make things better for the world, and they may be right. The question is not CAN but WILL we do it?
I have my doubts, because the white middle class really does not know what is happening in our own cities, much less in other countries, and they do not want to know. Unfortunately, as the article states, if we continue to ignore these very distressing realities, we will end up like all the other militaristic superpowers in history.
How to convince people? Forwarding this article would be an excellent start, then having the courage to talk about it seriously with people who sincerely have no idea...then volunteering to help inner city kids, and inviting your neighbors to join you...? I don't know - there must be some better ideas out there - let's hear them!

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the tragedy of it all
Posted by: georgiaorwell on Jan 13, 2009 1:32 AM   
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Thank you, Dr. Hilfiker, for the extraordinary perspectives you have recounted in this article. I, too, along the way, have experienced disbelief and uncomfortable insights, having grown up during a similar time period as you as I began informing myself about our country's misdeeds, albeit de facto.

I think you definitely capture the aggression and manipulation of our military/industrial/gov complex while spotlighting the apathy and lack of knowledge/information of most Americans about the reality of US actions around the globe. This is reading that should be front page material for all.

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We want to like you
Posted by: deschain on Jan 13, 2009 1:51 AM   
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Besides offering my humble kudos for this great article I'd just like to add from a European perspective that America is indeed seen as having great potential - although not exactly the ONLY hope for the world - and more importantly: we want to like America (again)! Bashing Bush hasn't just been an elitist political sport, it's a heartfelt reaction against how your potential has been squandered, with terrible consequences for countless individuals as a result.

Had McCain (not to mention Palin) won, it would have been seen as the final proof that America simply doesn't care anymore. Electing Obama, however his actual presidency turns out, was to many of us who care from afar about the dignity of the US one of the first signs in a long time that there may be cause for hope. It's sort of a democratic declaration of intent. It's change that one can believe in, sure, but the desire for change and daring to vote for it is perhaps even more important.

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sibad
Posted by: sibadd on Jan 13, 2009 1:55 AM   
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As an Englishman, I love America in a generalised way and in a more specific way I respect the scholarship I was taught at the Universities of Pennsylvania and Michigan in the 1960s and 1970s. At 9/11, mine and the thoughts of hundreds of thousands were with America. In Bristol, where I was that day, there were men and women crying in the streets as they spoke on their mobiles to friends in America. I shall continue to sympathise, respect and love the USA because nobody has been more eloquent than American's in criticising and campaigning in legitimate ways against the Pinkerton gang who conspired with our unwise government in an especially feckless vicious illegal adventure in the Middle East and its consequences in collateral damage - psychological, spiritual and physical. My relatives who fought in WW2 were among the 'good guys' and they did indeed teach me about the USA in the way you learned about your country when growing up. These departing (how I hope) squanderers of the instruments of peacemaking, who never served in war, have made us all into the 'bad guys', telling us - the irony of it - that 'strong leaders' must make hard decisions. One day this will pass. One day US power, for which of course, its government must take responsibility, will exercise the statesmanship that sent its bold young men to be bloodied against the beaches of Normandy, who with their allies, saved Europe, produced the Marshall Plan, conducted the prolonged mental battle of the "cold war", who reached the moon, who nurtured democracy in Japan, forced through civil rights against murderous domestic resistance, whose lawyers studiously seek out past sins and aim at their redress (the lynchings of the south and other cruelties today), whose street campaigners work against poverty and powerlessness, and all those redirecting their creativity and entrepreneurial energies to caring for the environment. One day things will get better for a country which, with all its teaming contradictions, was still a model of learning, culture and civility and hope for law and justice. One day America will come back to us. I think this is why so many of us felt so joyful on 5 November - a country where, until recently, a black man in the ring could only win by an evident knock-out, won the presidency on votes. That speaks for Obama (comes the time, comes the man) but it also for the people who elected him their 44th president. I know no individual can solve the problems facing the USA, which is why I mention the endeavours and spirit of all those who helped bring about this victory. This is the America that gives me and millions of others a little more hope.
http://democracystreet.blogspot.com/search?q=dignum
For the last decade, when I've heard American accents in public spaces, I've felt like going over and asking them to lower their voices as they're spoiling my meal or my enjoyment of a beautiful place. I didn't of course but now there's a quickening of pleasure at hearing the same thing. Of course this isn't universal. There are genuine enemies of the American ideal, but I'm not alone. On the morning of November 5 I was phoning around friends and relatives in England choked up with the pleasure of what America had chosen and relief at what it had rejected. We look forward to the inaugural train journey. Hope is back.

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AL-Cia-da and 9/11
Posted by: rt968 on Jan 13, 2009 2:12 AM   
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Where was no such thing as Al-Quada before CIA created it. 9/11 was an inside job.

The majority of the world loved USA, it's people and it's culture, it was a symbol of freedom (the American dream was also a dream for people around the world) in a time not so long ago.

Unfortunately that time is now gone. Hoping for real change but I'm not holding my breath.

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A view from the other side of the world
Posted by: DrBrian on Jan 13, 2009 2:24 AM   
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My perspective, as an American critical care specialist teaching and practicing in Dhaka, Bangladesh, is much like the author's. Our ICU is full of severely malnourished infants--most look like tiny skeletons with skin stretched over them--with severe pneumonia, sepsis, meningitis or shock due to diarrhea.

These babies are not only the poorest of the world's poor, but overwhelmingly of Muslim families.

People here have a more nuanced attitude towards Americans than one might expect, indeed more nuanced than most Americans' attitudes towards them. They see us as generally decent, and often kind and helpful. But they are perplexed by our aggressive foreign policy and reflexive support of Israeli atrocities. I tell them I'm as distressed and perplexed as they are.

I have to watch several babies per week die because we don't have ventilators to save their lives, and often muse about how many kids we could save for the cost of one cluster bomb. But because our institution provides counseling about abortion as part of its family planning program, we're not eligible for US funding. Conservatives in the US seem to think that bringing babies into the world to starve to death is preferable to abortion.

I do know this: anti-American sentiment is growing rapidly because of the Afghan and Iraqi wars and now the US-backed attacks on the Gazan people. I also know that humanitarian aid improves our image.

Accordingly, is the best way to counter terrorism with cluster bombs or medical equipment? With violence or compassion? With death or life? I hope that President-elect Obama will opt for the latter.

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what few Americans realize is that the US has always remained under the influence of the rapacious
Posted by: Suzon on Jan 13, 2009 2:59 AM   
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Norman-English Empire. America is of two minds--the egalitarians and the elitists. The egalitarians are relatively passive, though capable of being inspired to action--in my lifetime, the Civil Rights and anti-war movements.

The elitists believe in their own entitlement and are covertly aggressive, seeking advantage under the guise of law and making as much money as they can out of war (the military-industrial complex) and exploitation of the poor (look at how the prison industry flourishes).

Successful advantage-seekers, as we can see from recent history, need the cover caused by maladministration and endless war. While they are picking your pocket, they need to misdirect your attention to cluster bombs causing suffering and death in foreign lands. They do this because they have one terrible thing to fear: justice.

The first step to reclaiming the America most of us know and love is to expose not only its criminal roots--the dynasty founded by murderer, arsonist and rapist William the Conquerer in 1066--but its baleful influence in both in its English headquarters and in its many outposts, including the US and Australia.

The "special relationship"--embracing the slave trade, slaughter of the original inhabitants and the greed of the robber barons-- corrupts America and always has done.

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Brilliant Article - But the Situation is Even Worse
Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jan 13, 2009 3:11 AM   
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I'm English but grew up with massive appreciation and respect of America and American people - not least because of WWII - and the recovery from it.

I was supportive of the first Gulf War - and largely unaware of the effects of the sanctions. I took my news from the mainstream and had no time for "conspiracy nuts".

9/11 happenned and I was completely shocked - like everyone else. Whilst I kind of accepted the Official Gorvernment Story (I guess for psychological reasons) - it never seemed quite right. The buildings certainly came down - it was there on TV - it was almost completely unbelievable - but there was the reality before me.

Then around 18 months later - before the start of the second Iraq War and around the time I was marching with over 1 Million people through London in protest against it - I came across a website that challenged the science of the official 9/11 story.

I was trained in physics and maths - and this forced me to re-evaluate what happenned myself objectively - just looking at the science and not even considering the politics.

Suddenly I felt as if someone had kicked me in the guts extremely hard. The revelation of the truth was even more shocking than the event itself. It meant that my culture - Western Culture - was even more Evil than I had ever imagined possible.

Whilst I was obvioulsy aware of how evil and brutal human beings had been in the recent past - I didn't consider the atrocities of Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia - and all other evils that I was aware of - as part of "MY" Culture. These came from other people's Evil Cultures. We were better than that.

But now as the writer here has documented so well - the extent of our Evil is Profound. Why should we assume - that there is another Culture even more Evil than us?

Taking the psychology of 9/11 into account and analysing the possible motivations - why would the Muslim World attack America in such a fashion - knowing for certain that it would provoke an Enormous Military attack against the Muslim World?

To analyse the possible motivations of the West - well Americans would never have supported an unprovoked War against the Middle East - unless they believed that they had been attacked.

And the war against Iraq and Afghanistan was deemed essential - for energy and protection of the entire Western economic system - particularly the US Dollar.

Now we are approaching a state of total collapse, and unending war.

It was all so unnecessary - but the Evil took hold - and the results will soon be apparent to
all.

There isn't much hope - but articles such as this are very important to wake us up and do something about the Evil amongst us - before we destroy life on earth completely.

The planet deserves better - we are a total disgrace - and unless we change we will all become extinct.

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Great Article but....
Posted by: overseas on Jan 13, 2009 4:30 AM   
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I worked with the UN in Iraq (with Kurds) during the sanctions regime in the 1990s. One thing Saddam did NOT do wisely was what he was allowed to do by the UN: sell his oil to buy essential food and medicines. Instead he bickered and bashed the US and the UN, played cat and mouse with weapons inspectors, and tried his best to order DUAL use items instead of the basics they lacked. The sanctoins were a horrible idea that was horribly adminstered by the UN and manipulated by Saddam. HOWEVER, your article is otherwise AWESOME and I hope everyone reads it well.

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Grate article butt . . .
Posted by: mtnprivy on Jan 13, 2009 6:43 AM   
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We're all critics aren't we? I agree with this article wholeheartedly. I grew up in the Church of the Brethren, so I have questioned military power from early on.
The only thing I wanted to add, is that often the evil ogres that we have fought were created by us, or their actions were a reaction to us. In other words, had we done nothing in the past, these threats would not exist to begin with. For example, we KNEW that Hussein had weapons of mass destruction because Reagan had the CDC sending anthrax to Iraq many years ago. The fact that it was not reported to be found in Iraq years later must indicate that Hussein forgot and unplugged his refrigerator where the nasty stuff was kept.

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America the only Hope for the World?
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Jan 13, 2009 7:11 AM   
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Maybe with the new administration the U.S. can again be a source of hope for the world. During the Bush years it seemed to be more a trigger for fear and bewilderment.

But I think there are a few other reasons for hope. Europe comes to mind with their successful social democracies, but Europe seems largely focused inwardly.

I was thinking more of Latin America, especially Venezuela and Bolivia, but even Cuba has things to offer the world. There seems to be an interest there in re-inventing democracy and also a willingness to look outward, especially to help their neighbors in less prosperous Latin countries.

From here in the U.S. there seems to be a lack of news from this part of the world, but occasionally something slips through and gives reason for hope.

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roli
Posted by: roli on Jan 13, 2009 7:16 AM   
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I don't think that other country's hate, us, the American people, as much as they hate the Bush Administration, they just don't know who to turn their anger to. They think that the people actually have a say in what the Bush Admistration does, well, we know the truth, we don't.If they had investigated his military record for the truth,and those who covered for him, he would never have been,nominated by his party. We know that GW Bush was not elected by the people, he was appointed by the US Supreme Court. Since the formation of the PNAC, Project for a New American Century, founded by Dick Cheney, Bill Kristol. etc. A group of people to take over the control of the middle east oils was their plan. The invasion of Iraq was long time in planning.They even wrote Clinton a letter telling him to take down Suddam Hussein, he refused, we know what happened to Clinton after that.(Bill Kristol was responsible for finding Sarah Palin for the Republican VP) Now that GW Bush and Dick Cheney have admitted, glorifying their deeds, of torture, its time for the world community to try them for war crimes, just like other world leaders who tortured their people and other people of other countrys, were tried. In the US he could be tried for abuse of power, but we would have to get rid of Pelosi and Reid, first, as they were gung ho for impeachment, until they became the majority leader and then they just failed as the leaders of their party, and the people still do,.they hope that Obama will proceed, but I don't believe it will be done.According to the Constitution, the Congress have failed to impose the law of the land against Bush & Cheney, so they too, should be charged and if Obama failes to do anything, according to the constituion, he is as responsible as GW Bushh, Cheney, and Congress, that includes the Republicans in congress, more so than the Democrats, because they were in charge beofre the Democrats were the majority. So when they take their pledge to "uphold the constituion' that is A GREAT BIG LIE!!! Because..it will never be done.

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Democracy and the Civilizing Process
Posted by: Ishmael1 on Jan 13, 2009 7:52 AM   
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Here's a different perspective from Santee Sioux poet and AIM activist John Trudell. Speaking with the voice of 10,000 years.

Using Humans To Feed Being to The Machine

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The Big Lie
Posted by: olhsson on Jan 13, 2009 7:55 AM   
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The big lie is high tech warfare. It simply doesn't work.

Ike knew that Japan had come much closer to defeating us using suicide bombers than Germany had using advanced technology.

Nobody has fought a successful high tech war against committed ordinary people to this day. The American Revolution is the perfect example.

The "democratization of technology" includes weapons. There is no choice other than to learn to respect each other and get along.

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Once a believer -- and ignorant!
Posted by: phindrup on Jan 13, 2009 8:56 AM   
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This article ought to be required reading for all ‘Americans’, and everybody else in the world who is stupid enough to believe that the US is a ‘power for good in the world’.

One point, Japan did declare war before attacking Pearl Harbour — US arrogance was the reason that they were caught napping — or more correctly partying!

I first worked for an American in 1959, he worked for a French firm operating in New Zealand. From him I learned about US politics, he listened continually to the shortwave broadcasts as Kennedy made his run. Later I signed a remembrance book on Kennedy’s death — the only one I have ever signed in my life.

Some considerable time later I stumbled onto issues in US domestic history that led me to question the US myth. It was however the Invasion of Iraq that led me to really study what the US was. It is far more ugly than I had assumed. The reelection of Bush convinced me that the US was beyond redemption.

During the 60's freinds of mine went and did their two years on an Israeli kibbutz. I believed the spin and was supportive. It was probably 20 years ago that I began doubting the Israeli story but it was the learning of the realities of the Middle East that forced me to realise that we had been fed absolute lies, and to my discredit, I believed them!

At seventy years of age, I regret that I learned the extent of the US/Israeli horror too late in life to get involved in opposing the propaganda and supporting those who suffered unbearably due to the unjustified interference in their countries.

As sit writing this I know that if the US and /or Israel were facing annihilation and all I had to do to stop it was to raise my finger, I would not move a muscle.

This ought to raise the question of how many more are there out there who have come to this conclusion.

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Good article, but . . .
Posted by: Joeraider on Jan 13, 2009 9:08 AM   
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It's nice that the author finally got around to realizing what America has been to the world, and his points are valid.

However, if he doesn't believe this administration was responsible for 9/11 he is naive. The government's conspiracy theory on the events of that tragic day is so full of gaping holes that it is itself contradicted by government prosecutors trying to nail the scapegoats they randomly entrap. C'mon, do you really think that people responsible for all the death and misery described in the article are above killing 3,000 American citizens to advance their ideology?

The author also mentions that, in spite of his crimes, Bush was reelected. I disagree. This administration stole two elections. The Bush crime family easily has the financing and intelligence community connections to accomplish such.

What is completely troubling is despite the fact that we all know we've been lied to and we know the results; with the economy in the crapper and joblessness soaring, the same media magnates continue to push obnoxiously for the same "solutions" that got us into this mess.

Only War Crimes trials that encompass not only the administration but those in the media, up to and including your local right-wing editorial page writer, can begin to show us the way out of this mess.

Will Obama authorize such a procedure? Keep dreaming.

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TO DAVID HILFIKER:
Posted by: Fog on Jan 13, 2009 9:44 AM   
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David, great article. I wish there was a shorter version for my short-attention-span right wing friends.

One major component of your article which is missing is the Qui Bono angle. Surely we aren't victims of a cruel coincidence where we keep electing Presidents who see it necessary to kill thousands of civilians and subvert our most important laws.

America is made up of two very different subsets: everyday people and the elite. It's the everyday people; tourists, movie stars, sports teams, etc. who the people of the world appreciate, and it's the elite; the owners/controllers of the financial entities, energy companies, media monopolies, military commands, industrial giants and political dynasties who are responsible for the wars and economic terror who the world fears and despises.

The average American wouldn't be seen authorizing baby-killing sanctions, war and financial quackery that the political and business elite do on a daily basis. Only the elite leadership have the power to not only manifest the evil being blamed on America, but mutually protect one another from responsibility and prosecution.

You wrote a long article on how you've slowly come to terms with how corrupt and evil our culture is. Please now consider an article exposing our elites as the purveyors of that evil.

You must start and end with Qui Bono;

The usurpers of our national monetary supply, the elite banking families who own the Federal Reserve, create money at will while charging a fee resulting in obscene profits while devaluing our money. This is the engine that makes the rest of the evil possible. The worthless paper is "backed" by the full faith of the financial elite's ability to artificially (bubble/bust) and exponentially expand and then tax, the economy , which ultimately must collapse Madoff style.

The military prosecutes wars to control foreign natural resources, ultimately for the benefit of the owners of the energy companies. The CIA runs drugs instead of protecting us from them. The "war" on "drugs" and the "Three Strike" law is nothing but a fill-privately-owned-for-profit-prison scam, where prisons are really multifamily commercial apartments where the tenants are captives and the taxpayers pay the rent.


The families who own the industrial giants produce the military goods that must be, and can only be consumed by war. They also make and control medicine, ruining the health care in the most "powerful" nation on Earth.

The families who own the media, pretty much the same families who own the industries the media "reports" on, have no interest exposing the evil nature of their own making. They perpetuate the American myth that we can do no wrong; that we're Number One!; that we're good and they're evil; that we're spreading tyranny of the masses (Democracy). What they, our media, don't want to do is to educate the People as you have, David. Why should they?

Qui Bono, David. That is what you should be writing about.

That and how can we create an open system that is repugnant to elite manipulation.

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slowturtle
Posted by: slowturtle54 on Jan 13, 2009 11:11 AM   
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Well David, better late than never. As a member of a Native American NDN Tribe, it's never been a surprise to me and my People as to where the true loyalties of the US Government lie, regardless of whether Repub or Democrat. Just because the government isn't using Springfield rifles anymore against us doesn't mean the oppression has ended... Read Peter Matthiessen's book "In the Spirit of Crazy Horse", and you'll find out what a horror COINTELPRO was (and not just against NDN's). Also, Google "Coerced Sterilization of Native American Women" for another horror against native indigenous people here at home, mainly against NDN women by the U.S. Indian Health Service. Google "Bunchy" Carter; or "US vs Chong"; or "Queen Lili'uokalani"; or "Stonwall Riot"; or any number of other related issues regarding any people of color/difference in the United States proper.
One doesn't have to go back in history to find atrocities within our borders here. It's still going on today, whether it's the backlash against "Prop 8" here in California, the efforts of the racist "Minuteman" group, the uphill battle for Wiccans in the United States to practice their beliefs, or the general uphill battle that all oppressed Peoples all have to go thru in our daily lives against the "system."
I'm glad you came around, David. Now, we need about 200 million more Americans to do the same...

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» RE: slowturtle Posted by: georgiaorwell
slowturtle
Posted by: slowturtle54 on Jan 13, 2009 11:13 AM   
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Well David, better late than never. As a member of a Native American NDN Tribe, it's never been a surprise to me and my People as to where the true loyalties of the US Government lie, regardless of whether Repub or Democrat. Just because the government isn't using Springfield rifles anymore against us doesn't mean the oppression has ended... Read Peter Matthiessen's book "In the Spirit of Crazy Horse", and you'll find out what a horror COINTELPRO was (and not just against NDN's). Also, Google "Coerced Sterilization of Native American Women" for another horror against native indigenous people here at home, mainly against NDN women by the U.S. Indian Health Service. Google "Bunchy" Carter; or "US vs Chong"; or "Queen Lili'uokalani"; or "Stonwall Riot"; or any number of other related issues regarding any people of color/difference in the United States proper.
One doesn't have to go back in history to find atrocities within our borders here. It's still going on today, whether it's the backlash against "Prop 8" here in California, the efforts of the racist "Minuteman" group, the uphill battle for Wiccans in the United States to practice their beliefs, or the general uphill battle that all oppressed Peoples all have to go thru in our daily lives against the "system."
I'm glad you came around, David. Now, we need about 200 million more Americans to do the same...

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» the american dream Posted by: yirrp
» Another expression comes to mind. . . Posted by: peacefullaim1
RE: Spoken like a "real" American
Posted by: 876 on Jan 13, 2009 12:52 PM   
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For those who doubt that Americans are still as barbaric, entitled savages as they ever were I present melpol, your average, "real" American.

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Again, 'show me who you walk with
Posted by: weathered on Jan 13, 2009 12:31 PM   
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and I'll tell what you are....'


Please free us arrogance and deceit, that's Israel.

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American generosity
Posted by: 876 on Jan 13, 2009 12:44 PM   
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As any Frenchman knows, an Americans idea of generosity amounts to throwing crumbs in your face then gloating about it for the next several lifetimes. Americans genuinely regard themselves as, I have heard it said, “the most generous people in the world”, clearly a ridiculous statement for anyone let alone Americans. I suppose they are generous by their own standards but throwing your stolen crumbs at the destitute suffering masses after having stolen everything you have from under them hardly amounts to generosity in most cultures. No I cannot concur that you are remotely generous people. Better that you keep your ego driven contributions and rather stop pillaging the rest of humanity as parasites that you are.

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» FORCED GENEROSITY Posted by: gellero1
IMPORTANT POINTS MADE IN ARTICLE...LETS TALK SOLUTIONS INSTEAD OF BLAME
Posted by: using on Jan 13, 2009 12:51 PM   
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There have always been gettos and poor people....in most nations of the world, since the beginning of time. America did not invent poverty, cruelty, war, greed, land grabbing, or slavery. So, I only accept blame for our piece of stupidity and cruelty, but I do not consider the rest of the world and mostly their leadership free of guilt for the crimes they committed against other nations or against their own impoverished people -- any more than I forgive American greed against others or against our own people.

If we want to understand truth so we can change the reoccurance of "man's inhumanity to man" we will have to dig and work much deeper than this American chapter.

1. WE NEED TO rethink how to RESTRUCTURE OUR SOCIETIES AND the means by which THEY FUNCTION....not communism ofcause,...but an equality not based on tearing down others but on boasting ourselves..and a fair distribution of education, opportunity and just earned income for effort and labor expended.
To do this:
We need to guard against the negative side of human nature as we begin the slow process of redirecting our thinking away from the human flaw that pervents humankind from growth in humane stature.

2. Most societies have had a swell of greatness..and then deteriorated into curruption and power of the few...and poverty of the many.

D. Chapka solution of how to replace our military industrial complex as an means of sustaining our economy is a workable solution to controlling and displacing the Milliatry Industrial Complex and sustaining our economy. Unfortunately we will probably have to wrestle change from the hands of those that control the purse strings and those that earn a living at them.

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» TALKING SOLUTIONS Posted by: rt968
» RE: TALKING SOLUTIONS Posted by: using
Part 2 Important points
Posted by: using on Jan 13, 2009 1:00 PM   
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3. WE AS A PEOPLE ARE CURRENTLY IN FEAR OF BECOMING A THIRD WORLD ECONOMY ourselves -- through the distruction of the middle class.

Obama won this election on YES WE CAN. Holding his feet to the fire is too general to make a difference. WE need to;
1. zero in on what we need from him and his administration...
2. how we can work together to achieve it....
3. we need multiple expert opinions to the mutli facited complexity of truth and possibilites
4. we need more journalists that will function as teachers of facts rather than opinion generators of limited pieces of truth pieced together to create opinion)..
5..and we need to find the means to hold the administration accoountable.

Obama said he would work to ban nuclear weapons...we need to know:
1. how
2. time frame
3. what our methods to safe guard ourselves will be.
4. that all nations are agreeing to do the same...
5. WE NEED TRANSPARENCY (which he originally promised in the financial world...and later interchanged the word to oversight...which we had and did not work before the economic bust..and does not seem to working now)

We need to know the specifics.....in bullet points..with explanation ....and we need to know how to make it happen....and if our new elected officials do not respond and help save us..then we need to become aware and rethink our options.

AND MOST IMPORTANT: TO accomplish this we need journalists that report the multiple sides of truth...and areas where they can be printed.

This was a brilliant, insightful article..but there are gaps....such as.....the author put the response of US to the blowing up of 9/11 before the happening.......and thus did not reprimand those responsible for their decision to target civilians in the Twin Towers rather than our military bases.

No one assumed that the Nations that produced the terrorist or their mission should have been civilized enough to negotiate with us, or work though the UN, instead of targettting civilians as their first response to hating us instead of using terrorist tactics. And yet, we are assuming that American should be more righteous.

Now, I agree Gettos are made, poverty is made. We need to help, but since as the author pointed out, we ourselves are undergoing a devestating time, perhaps the Arab countries, flush with oil dollars, can help rebuild their fellow countries.and we can focus on the pain that is going on in this country. If Obama's administration will help us rebuild our lives..then perhaps we can again become the charity givers of the world.
Until then......we are suffering ourselves and cannot afford to give up, health care, our economic re development, rebuilding our infrastructure, our need to buy health care or meds or food or educatiion for ourselves.

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» 'we are suffering...' Posted by: weathered
» "Hamas", eh? Posted by: armorypk
» RE: Part 2 Important points Posted by: peacefullaim1
The US Problems
Posted by: eochiai on Jan 13, 2009 1:58 PM   
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This article is based on the author’s immediate experience and is fairly well written. However, the situation is not analyzed deep enough. Besides, there are a number of books already written about some of these issues. Just a few comments follow.

(1) The militarism of the US: Peter Scowen: ”Rogue Nation-The America the Rest of the World Knows” (McClelland and Stewart, 2003); the title will tell what it is about.
(2) The Vice of Corporatocracy: Ted Nace: “Gangs of America-The Rise of Corporate Power and the Disabling of Democracy” (Berrett-Koehler, 2003)
(3) One of the Basic Problems is the culture where attainment of one’s desires is regarded to be a virtue, no matter what they are. There is no sense of “self-restraint” in this culture. This applies to both the elites and the public. The people have gone to the extreme to finance their lust (for new car, etc.) by resorting to refinancing their own abode. The US finances their high materialistic living standard by an enormous amount of debt to foreign countries. The elites have used every cunning to make profit, legal or not.
(4) The other basic problem is “religious fundamentalism”. People are free in believing what they do, but they should not be allowed to impose and inflict the wrong effects of their belief on the others. Unfortunately, the fundamentalists believe that they have an absolute truth and a true God, and hence they believe that it is justifiable to evangelize the others, even with force. They even go to the extreme of eliminating the infidels. This is a malady of monotheistic religions, not just Christianity. This also leads to the arrogance of being “chosen” and a hatred of others. Unfortunately many of the US citizens are infected with this malady, it seems.
(5) Another basic issue may be the reality of “Evil”. The human brains are not perfect instruments, and some of them may be wired wrongly or damaged to direct the owner of the brain to behave wrongly, often in evil manners. This problem is not confined to the US but universal among humankind. See Andrew M. Lobaczewski: “Political Ponerology” (Red Pill Press, 2006).

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» RE: The US Problems Posted by: tony_opmoc
» RE: The US Problems Posted by: using
» There is a test Posted by: yirrp
» Test - more info please! Posted by: rt968
» Psychopath test Posted by: rt968
» that's the one Posted by: yirrp
Superb
Posted by: Cialo on Jan 13, 2009 2:10 PM   
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This is an excellent article that showcases another perspective-a perspective that U.S. citizens are sorely lacking.

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True, but dont forget
Posted by: sofia on Jan 13, 2009 4:09 PM   
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Excellent historic overview. One can argue some of the viewpoints of the author, the reasons behind many of the discussed historic events. I grew up in a former communist country and believe me; the list would be much longer.
And lets not forget how much America has given to the world. Just look at the most recent history - we gave the world the Internet and the Information revolution. In a few years the world was transformed in proportions never seen before. Millions of people make a better living now because of it.

It is not perfect, it can not be perfect, but it is still the best country in the world.

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» RE: True, but dont forget Posted by: using
» RE: True, but dont forget Posted by: rt968
» RE: True, but dont forget Posted by: using
» RE: True, but dont forget Posted by: sofia
David Hilfiker, AlterNet
Posted by: rt968 on Jan 13, 2009 5:06 PM   
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Is it a policy of AlterNet for authors of articles to not comment or respond on any posts by others?
Not sure since I have not seen any posts by contributors on this site.

To David Hilfiker, AlterNet

What do you believe in regard to the events on 9/11 after reading some of the posts on that question?

Thanks

Robert

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The truth will free you
Posted by: Peter Boyd on Jan 13, 2009 5:26 PM   
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An excellent incisive and objective article, written with passion and hunility.
I am very much like yourself. i grew up in a fairly idealic, white middle class world. It is only in later years I have come to fully understand the misdeeds of the US and only in quato a lesser extent themisdeeds of my own country.
Unfortunately I have developed an intense dislike for the US and for its citizenry. Collectively you are responsible for your government,past governments and their actions in the same way the German people were responsible for Adolf Hitler and his crimes.
Your article is just the beggining. I think your real lifes work is still in front of you and that is implementing the change the US must have which you have stated so eloquently

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I have a question for the author.did the author find it in himself yet to realize that this evil is
Posted by: using on Jan 13, 2009 5:56 PM   
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embedded in every society that has ever lived. This evil is the basis of the story of Cain and Abel.

Sometimes how we frame a story determines the solutions we seek.

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NO MATTER WHAT THE ARTICLE..THE ANSWER OF A GANG ON THIS WEB IS ALWAYS DISTROY
Posted by: using on Jan 13, 2009 6:18 PM   
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ISRAEL AND AMERICA.

THis puts into question :

1. who you guys are?
2. and what your real goals are?

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» ISRAEL AND AMERICA Posted by: rt968
What we should have done ......
Posted by: gellero1 on Jan 13, 2009 7:49 PM   
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Sent in our brave soldiers, sailors, and marines....to LIQUIDATE Pol Pot and his murderous band of thugs in Cambodia....saving 1.5 Million humans from MASSACRE.

Maybe then they would think of us as the 'Good Guys'.

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Jeckyll and Hyde USA
Posted by: philprism on Jan 14, 2009 3:28 AM   
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The story is an accurate reflection of the slow awakening taking place in Middle America. I wouldn't expect to see this kind of article in any of the mainstream media. But it has to be said the majority of Americans still believe that they are protected by the constitution and its my country right or wrong. Its this unthinking patriotism which has been exploited by a few rogues to create and run a government and they have been allowed to get away with it. By the people themselves.

Something really has changed in America. People are standing watching all the lies, injustices and crimes and to all intents and purposes have gone along with it. Two stolen elections, illegal war, torture, unconstitutional government. A congress which has failed to uphold the law. A senate which fails to uphold law and impeach. A president who would be King who passes on his dictatorial powers. The America the world once knew has changed. The world has recognised the change. The American people havn't cocooned in the memory of times past and the rule of law.

The American Dream is now delivered to the world from the barrel of a gun and it terrorises an ever increasing number of its own population

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» Dirty bomb nobody talks about Posted by: floridahank
Human Ricardo
Posted by: AussieChe on Jan 17, 2009 4:12 PM   
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Dear David: Thanks a Millions for trying to get the american people an open mind. Thank You for name yourself as a MD after your name. As you can see i started a campaign 20 yrs ago, refusing ANY titlle. My italian Father nicknamed " defensor de putas pobres " ( Public defender of poor prostitutes )since very young age. A type of Don Quixote. NEVER GIVE UP !!!!!!!

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dobberdoss
Posted by: dobberdoss on Jan 24, 2009 12:26 AM   
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Winning hearts & minds of your enemies is MORE important than winning your friends BUT dont EVER take either for granted! This is the lesson the US has found out and under Obama hopefully will learn.
Good luck America from another world citizen

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