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Obama Won't Have to Kiss AIPAC's Ring -- Progressive Alternative to Hawkish Mideast Policies Emerges
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Israel's ongoing assault on Gaza has pushed to the fore with ferocity one of the great campaign debates of 2008: How will Barack Obama approach the Palestinian-Israeli conflict? The president-elect has stated repeatedly that achieving a final settlement will be an administration priority, but beyond that oft-expressed campaign commitment swirls a constellation of increasingly urgent unknowns. Will he choose a Mideast envoy with at least a shred of credibility on both sides? Will he negotiate with Hamas? Will he spend the needed political capital to revive the rotting corpse of the peace process? Is resuscitation even possible?
Normally, a very constricted Beltway political wisdom on Israel, as embodied by American Israel Public Affairs Committee, would set and guard the parameters of the debate over these questions. But the landscape of organized Jewish political power in America is changing. Even as John Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt were coming under heavy fire for their 2006 analysis of the traditional American Israel Lobby, a liberal pro-Israel countermovement was forming in utero. Today, that movement is not only walking and talking, it is mounting a vigorous challenge to the dominance of traditional groups like AIPAC and the Anti-Defamation League. Together, with a growing number of voices within the foreign policy community, it is pushing Obama to initiate a strong and fresh approach to the region during his busy first 100 days.
As we wait to see how this debate shapes up, it's worth revisiting what we know about Barack Obama. In his personal life, he has exposed himself to both sides of the Israeli-Palestinian divide like few other incoming presidents. At the University of Chicago, he cultivated a friendship with the Palestinian American scholar Rashid Khalidi, through whom he also came to know the late Edward Said. He visited the slums of Ramallah in the West Bank on his own initiative, after which he told an audience in Muscatine, Iowa, "Nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people." During the primaries and presidential campaign, these facts fueled the hopes of Palestinians and Americans hungry for a more balanced approach to the region. It also became grist for Republican (and Likud) fear and smear campaigns that warned Obama was an Israel-hating stalking horse for Hamas and a kissing cousin of Louis Farrakhan.
Obama neutralized these smear campaigns all too effectively. Terrified that the attacks would go viral faster than his dismissals, Obama famously tracked hard right upon clinching the Democratic nomination. His first act as nominee was to visit AIPAC and affirm his commitment to the U.S.-Israeli "special relationship," cemented by $30 billion in no-strings military aid over the next decade. After one of Obama's informal advisers, the highly respected Robert Malley of the International Crisis Group, came under right-wing assault for holding meetings with Hamas officials, he was quickly and quietly allowed to "resign." In November, came Hillary Rodham Clinton's appointment and word that the hawkish former Middle East envoy Dennis Ross is a leading candidate to fill that position again.
Most recently, the president-elect has maintained a controversial silence in response to Israel's invasion of Gaza. For those around the world who had expected at least a cursory statement of concern or condemnation, this silence has been deafening.
"Palestinian circles have increasingly looked at Obama with skepticism throughout his campaign and into the transitional period," says Toufic Haddad, a Palestinian American activist and co-author of Between the Lines: Israel, the Palestinians, and the U.S. War on Terror. "Palestinians were willing, perhaps desperate, to believe in his calls for 'change,' but the margin of tolerance for his rhetoric has faded. His recent declaration that 'there is only one president' ring hollow when Arab satellite stations have closely followed his political platform and noted his vocal positions during this transition period on both domestic and international issues."
Of course, Palestinians don't vote in U.S. elections. But Jews do, and in November they voted for Obama more than 4-to-1, despite his selective and belated declaration of allegiance to the established AIPAC orthodoxy. That Obama's success with Jews surprised so many people testifies to the extent right-wing American Jewish groups have succeeded in equating hard-line, "Israel right or wrong" politics with support for the Jewish state. But as the election results and post-Gaza opinion polls of U.S. opinion have shown, those days are over and receding quickly from view. This fact may very well widen the political space for Obama to chart a brave new course in the region.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jan 12, 2009 1:14 AM
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To think Obama will be any different is folly. In fact his key foreign policy, national defense and national security appointments are all hawks.
The Israeli Policy is part and parcel of the Military Industrial Complex agenda with corporate media leading the cheering section.
Obama is proving to be what he is, Republican light. Instead of raising our historically low income taxes on the well to do he talks about reigning in Social Security and Medicare!
Obama will be a progressive disaster ... and a failure if he intends to stay on the course he has talked about.
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» RE: Congress Kisses AIPAC's Ring - Where is the OUTRAGE?
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» US Imperialism, Not AIPAC is the Operatative Force
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Posted by: weathered on Jan 12, 2009 2:26 AM
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Unless AIPAC is purged from its diabloic access to all things American, this will get very bad, very quickly.
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Jan 12, 2009 3:38 AM
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In other words, this is about an ultra-corrupt old ruling class that Einstein and many other world-class humanists accused of running everything that matters.
Of course Israel does it's share of dirty business (no telling what a few hundred illegal Israeli spies were doing at the U.S. and New York on the day of 9/11 and the subsequent coverup into sham 9/11 "war on terror").
Religion has its charming rituals but it has always been a blind faith excuse to steal and decimate your neighbor. Keep the faith - send the blood money.
"The minority, the ruling class at present, has the schools and press, usually the Church as well, under its thumb. This enables it to organize and sway the emotions of the masses, and make its tool of them."
Doctor Albert Einstein (in a letter to Sigmund Freud 7/30/1932. 1879-1955)
“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government of the U.S. ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.”
PRESIDENT FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT (on oligarch Fascist rule in a letter to handler “Colonel” Edward M. House, confidence man for the cartel and founder of the Council on Foreign Relations. House also handled President Wilson for the foisting of a private and unconstitutional “Federal Reserve” Corporation sham with its IRS in 1913. November 21st, l933 from the book "F.D.R.: His Personal Letters" - New York: Duell, Sloan and Pearce 1950)
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» RE: Sounds like evasion
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» Sounds like peanut gallery Ignorance...
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» RE: Sounds like peanut gallery Ignorance...NO KIDDING!!
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Posted by: orionsan on Jan 12, 2009 4:25 AM
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Posted by: jbpazz on Jan 12, 2009 5:17 AM
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The Hamas hides in hospitals and bunkers using women and children as shields. They do everything to increase the civilian death toll, as a propaganda tool.
Hamas could care less if every Gazan died. They depend on Jewish humanitarian sentiment to stop the fighting.
With Progressive help, Hamas may win concessions enabling it to recover for another war with the Israelis two or three years hence.
Stop them now or stop them later at even more cost.
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Posted by: muktuk on Jan 12, 2009 5:36 AM
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http://www.irmep.org/ila/default.asp
IRMEP also has good information on:
"A Clean Break": the 1996 policy paper written by Richard Perle and others who pushed America to invade Iraq.
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Posted by: sunnywater on Jan 12, 2009 5:52 AM
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It took Fintan O'Toole, The Irish Times's resident philosopher-in-chief, to speak the unspeakable. "When does the mandate of victimhood expire?" he asked. "At what point does the Nazi genocide of Europe's Jews cease to excuse the state of Israel from the demands of international law and of common humanity?"
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Posted by: curiousdwk on Jan 12, 2009 6:00 AM
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I am not anti-Hillary as I would have preferred to have seen her as Sec of Health and Human Services, or even VP. But not Sec of State, realizing the importance of the Middle East policy.
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Posted by: NAM67VET on Jan 12, 2009 10:29 AM
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This post is a real treat for the English teacher that lurks within me. Please make some sense of the quoted sentence,for a start.
With full support for your fervor, I must say that your divisions are diverting.
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Posted by: steveconn on Jan 12, 2009 8:26 AM
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Presidential candidate Barack Obama visited the southern city of Sderot during his July campaign. He said, “If somebody was sending rockets into my house where my two daughters sleep at night, I would do everything in my power to stop that, and would expect Israelis to do the same thing.”
That July campaign statement was probably strategic. Obama wanted no voter confusion with former Democratic Presidential candidate Michael Dukakis, who waffled in a debate, when asked if he would kill his wife’s rapist. Obama wanted no confusion on the part of the American Jewry for whom an unquestioned American- Israeli defense against the Arab universe is a sin qua non for voter support.Now Obama’s campaign response is taken by the world as a blanket endorsement of a massacre, a legacy to his tenure even before his inauguration and actual tenure as President begins.
Whatever his motivation, Barak Obama cannot not wait until after his inauguration to speak out on Gaza; he must change his tune. His apparent support for any military response to the rockets from Gaza under siege is a propaganda battle flag for the Israeli squeeze play, a Mid-East version of “Redskin removal,” so very familiar to America’s own indigenous minorities. Did Obama mean that he would have machine gunned his neighborhood if his daughters were threatened by gang bangers somewhere in that vast urban terrain? Suppose these targets were penned into a reservation along with innocent civilians? Would he then endorse a human turkey shoot? If he relents, who else will attempt to define this new President and his agenda?
While he keeps silent, Obama’s allies in the Congress blame the massacre on Hamas. The Israeli military holds all the cards: a captive population with nowhere to run, and Arab states who don’t want to absorb new refugee populations and know Israel has the nuclear bomb, a compliant Western media, banned from the urban killing fields, and a siege that weakens the population as it holds the targets in place. Is Obama another of those cards? The Israeli control their own destiny in this campaign. They may have decided from long experience with hostile neighbors who call suicide bombers, “martyrs,” that only a bloody action of grotesque proportions,( what Richard Pryor in his nearly forgotten 1974 comedy album would have termed the “crazy n**ger” defense”), as the only convincing response to Muslim extremists who speak openly of Jewish extermination. By not amending or conditioning his July remark, Obama now identifies with a ruthless and unpredictable approach to foreign policy that is the very antithesis of the public persona and foreign policy agenda he has so laboriously created with its emphasis on negotiation and multilateralism.
Does Obama really want his own policy to be defined by default by the Israelis with their chosen stratagem against the Gazans and Hamas? Does he understand that a reservoir of good will that is uniquely his throughout the third world as the first President of color is being undermined by this failure to clarify his bombastic campaign statement, now underscored both by his refusal to speak and by nauseating images of bloodied Gaza children in their shrouds?
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Posted by: Wayne Etheridge on Jan 12, 2009 8:52 AM
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» RE: By the way, let's get our butts out there and PUNISH Congress !
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Posted by: Passacaglia on Jan 19, 2009 2:23 AM
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jan 12, 2009 9:05 AM
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(1) Has this "policy" of "defending Israel" helped to encourage the peace they claim they want?
(2) Why is it that Israel's imitation of Nazi Germany toward the Palestinians seem acceptable to so many?
(3) When the Ashkasnazim were sent to Israel - there were people already there, that were displaced in many cases by force - why is that acceptable? And why should they have to continue to bear that burden?
(4)Why is it that stopping food, fuel, medicine, blocking the ports deemed an acceptable solution - when you are the inter-loper and decrying how you want peace not enough of a reason for the Palestinian people to fight back!?
(5)Jews in America - are they Jewish first or Americans first?
The blind support of Israel's policies (bad or worse) are not good for them or US as we can see. It is high time that people start to realize that, if the US is to be a mediator in the M.E. than we must champion both sides. Israel must also learn to exist with her neighbors, and the Palestinians must be allowed to survive!
While Israel "says" that they want peace, their actions show that peace must be on their terms. The Palestinian people must leave the land, the Arab neighbors must acquiesce to all demands not just of recognizing Israel - but to take in the Palestinian people and ensure that Israel is left alone! Exactly how does holding a gun to someone's head equate with peace!?
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What You Don’t Know About Gaza
By RASHID KHALIDI
NEARLY everything you’ve been led to believe about Gaza is wrong. Below are a few essential points that seem to be missing from the conversation, much of which has taken place in the press, about Israel’s attack on the Gaza Strip.
THE GAZANS Most of the people living in Gaza are not there by choice. The majority of the 1.5 million people crammed into the roughly 140 square miles of the Gaza Strip belong to families that came from towns and villages outside Gaza like Ashkelon and Beersheba. They were driven to Gaza by the Israeli Army in 1948...
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Jan 12, 2009 9:42 AM
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I'm dwelling here on Israel's fate, rather than the Palestinians',
because I think it's an overlooked aspect of the situation. Aside from the moral and humanitarian disaster, there is a horrifying practical issue that follows from the atrocity already occurring in occupied Palestine:
Israel is writing its own death warrant. Military dominance cannot last forever, especially when you are surrounded with a sea of enemies who burn with undying and (I think) fundamentally justified hatred. (A side issue to this: that was a bizarrely dangerous place to put a "refuge" for the Jews.) Eventually, the Arabs will find a way. This is such a well-known phenomenon that we have endless stock phrases for it.
Israel has sown the wind, and the whirlwind is building. We can already see their military superiority slipping, and so can they.
That means the world is faced with a very real possibility of an almost
unparalleled nightmare: a new Holocaust and a new diaspora, in the midst of a nuclear conflagration at the crossroads of the world. The US bears very direct responsibility for the situation, because only US
support and weaponry have enabled Israel to defy morality, law, and
their neighbors so arrogantly. Consequently, only withdrawing that
support has much hope of bringing them to their senses before disaster
strikes. Unfortunately, I don't see much hope of that happening anytime
soon. As a Green, I certainly don't have much "Hope"(tm) of the new
administration making any genuinely new departures. I have no idea how
long we have - there is good reason to think the tipping point is
already passed, although the nuclear card certainly gives the Israelis
some bargaining room.
This article offers us a ray of hope, but the truth is that Obama already kissed that ring. His silence during the present genocide in Gaza speaks very loudly, as I'm sure he knows. His excuse is feeble to the point of bizarre.
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Posted by: NAM67VET on Jan 12, 2009 10:50 AM
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The NSP reaches out to non-Jews and non-believers through a website (www.spiritualprogressives.org) and in Tikkun Magazine, where Rabbi Lerner couches his empassioned calls for justice with rich (and somewhat wordy) appeals to Jewish tradition and a fully rational theology.
They are currently planning an ad for the New York Times (see it and help publish it at www.spiritualprogressives.org/article.php/gaza)urging President-elect Obama to call for an immediate Gaza Cease Fire and announce that he will convene an International Conference to resolve the larger Israel/Palestine conflict.
This non-Jewish religious rational finds NSP to be the refreshing voice of religious reason so desperately needed nowadays.
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Posted by: eaanders on Jan 12, 2009 10:55 AM
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Posted by: jimswanson on Jan 12, 2009 11:14 AM
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Best of luck to the emerging liberal pro-Israel groups (such as J Street and Americans For Peace Now), but it’s a long shot that they will ever come close to matching AIPAC’s clout and effectiveness.
Of the thousands of groups that lobby our spineless government, AIPAC is by far the most influential and feared.
AIPAC’s enormous clout—coupled with its willingness to kill the messenger if the message is not 100% pro-Israel—puts the fear of God in any American politician, whether Democrat or Republican, who wishes to be candid and rational regarding Israeli affairs.
The raw fear of AIPAC extends to America’s Big Media.
But no one will ever fear the emerging liberal voices, partly because they will never have the cojones to play hardball.
Thanks to AIPAC, there is much less meaningful debate in the United States regarding anything affecting Israel than there is anywhere else in the developed Western world, including Israel itself.
This and much more is discussed in, “The Bush League of Nations: The Coalition of the Unwilling, the Bullied and the Bribed – the GOP’s War on Iraq and America,” by James A. Swanson (2008, CreateSpace Publishing, 448 pages).
Patriots everywhere can download the entire book for free at www.bushleagueofnations.com,
I ask for nothing in return, except that you use my book, if you are so inclined, to help restore and build America.
Jim Swanson, Los Altos, California
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Posted by: sausalito babe on Jan 12, 2009 11:24 AM
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Having endured deadly rocket attacks, murderous suicide bombers etc, for over 8 years, Jews in Israel wonder aloud why their government waited so long.
Every generation of Jews produces dangerous doubters, for whom a Jewish Homeland is more alien to them then a life with their families on the planet Pluto.
During the Nazi Era some European ( and American) Jews refused to accept the extermination of 6 million European Jews.
Those who delude themselves into thinking a weak, indefensible Israel is OK, don't know what thy are talking about.
They are the descendants of those in denial duing the Nazi Era.
On a Top Ten priority list, a strong secure Israel ranks 9th or 10th, if at all with those who wish AIPAC would just go away.
(It won't)
Do you think that our Pres-elect would forget his own words in S'derot Israel last July when he stood in front of a school, and enunciated quite articulately that if someone was launching deadly rockets against his daughters, he "would go after them with everything" he's got.
hamas, who took over all of the banks in Gaza and stole all monies. hides in mosques, schools, Red Cross ambulanes, in people's bedrooms and kithens, and throughout the civilian population of Gaza on purpose.
ps: There is no such thing as a palestinian.
Ask yourself:
Why do the 20 Arab nations despise and fear the so-called palestinians more then the Israelis do?
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Posted by: Squarehead on Jan 12, 2009 11:41 AM
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And by that, I mean not just the large sums spent by AIPAC, but the even larger sums spent at the behest of the 'Military- Industrial Complex' on armaments in general?
Those guys know where the money is. In production and consumption of your wares.
As an indication of how small the REAL influence of AIPAC- PNAC and their type; I have a Jewish friend, who pointed out in conversation, that American Jews were largely liberal, vaguely leftist, and NOT naturally supportive of AIPAC. His point was that of the 80 wealthiest people in USA, about EIGHT were of Jewish ethnic origin, and about FOUR were supporters of the whole AIPAC event. The fact that this 4 were/ are very, very, wealthy allowed a grossly disproportionate political influence.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Jan 12, 2009 3:12 PM
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Israel and MANY other nations got it wrong
Down with theocracies or even the apppearance of theocracies
Dr. Rick Lippin
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Posted by: lturner1116 on Jan 12, 2009 4:03 PM
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Dear Editors,
In his 1/11 "Where I Stand" op-ed, your editor posits that a cease-fire in Gaza must "apply first" to Hamas, because "they started it." I fear Mr. Greenspun has not gone back far enough in history. We must ask, "Who really started it?"
Was it the early Zionists (searching the world for a Jewish "homeland") who used the guilt and shame of the holocaust and accusations of anti-Semitism to help create the State of Israel in what they falsely called "a land without people for a people without a land?" Was the location they chose really the best "safe haven" for Jews?
Was it the US government, which had hesitated to intervene in Europe (until Pearl Harbor forced it), and even denied entry into the US to people fleeing the slaughter, but saw Israeli statehood as a way to siphon off Jewish immigration into the US?
Was it US foreign policy that ever since has given special status to Israel--a sort of "unconditional love"--against the longterm interests of both the US and Israel; supplying billions of dollars in arms, and ignoring until it was too late Israeli actions such as building settlements on Israeli land, or its "iron fist" tactics that will never bring peace to the region?
The conflict did not begin with Hamas. Perhaps the Palestinian people democratically elected such radical leadership because no one else would challenge the unjust balance of power. We cheer the fighters of the Warsaw ghetto when they fought (by any means available) their Nazi occupiers, but deny Palestinians the right to do the same against the brutal occupation they have endured for years.
As a Jew, I ask that our government, legislators, and people not confuse opposing Israel's actions with anti-Semitism. Our one-sided pro-Israel approach to the "Middle East Problem" has helped create the animosity now directed at us; it should not be prolonged.
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Posted by: Garvagh on Jan 12, 2009 4:43 PM
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Posted by: PointMan on Jan 13, 2009 12:59 PM
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jan 14, 2009 2:49 AM
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We do occasionally send our right wing to the south of France. But that is only for the winter. They return. Worse yet they leave their minions in charge with orders to call them in case we get out of control.
If I have this wrong I will apologize.
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Posted by: gkuhl3 on Jan 16, 2009 7:42 PM
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This Israeli bombing of Gaza is inhumane and criminal.
It amounts to Genocide and those responsible ought to be brought before an international criminal court of justice.
The corporate fascist media in the U.S are nothing but Zionist apologists.
The time has come for Israel to STOP once and for all its evil colonial occupation of Palestine.
We have had enough with this domination, this unjust war against the Palestinians.
Israel has engaged in an ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people, and in a outgoing expansion
of their Jewish settlements on Palestinian territories for years now.
Hamas is a consequence of the brutal, abusive and ruthless Israeli occupation.
The Palestinian people and Hamas are simply resisting and fighting for their freedom.
It's a struggle for liberation and self determination.
And for an autonomy and sovereignty that Israel has deny them for way too long now.
As long as Israel continues its heinous crimes against the Palestinians
There will be no "security for Israel" and no peace in the middle east.
We owe it to the Palestinian people to have autonomy over their territories without Israeli intervention,
occupation and control of their borders.
All the Palestinians want is a sovereign Palestinian state or Palestinian territories.
And a peaceful coexistence with Israel.
Guillermo Kuhl
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He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt.
He has been given a large brain by mistake, science for him the spinal cord would fully suffice.
This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once.
Heroism at command, senseless brutality, deplorable love-of-country stance, how violently I hate all this,
how despicable an ignorable war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action!
It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder." (Albert Einstein)
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jan 12, 2009 1:14 AM
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To think Obama will be any different is folly. In fact his key foreign policy, national defense and national security appointments are all hawks.
The Israeli Policy is part and parcel of the Military Industrial Complex agenda with corporate media leading the cheering section.
Obama is proving to be what he is, Republican light. Instead of raising our historically low income taxes on the well to do he talks about reigning in Social Security and Medicare!
Obama will be a progressive disaster ... and a failure if he intends to stay on the course he has talked about.
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» US Imperialism, Not AIPAC is the Operatative Force
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Posted by: weathered on Jan 12, 2009 2:26 AM
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Unless AIPAC is purged from its diabloic access to all things American, this will get very bad, very quickly.
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» RE: investigate zionist businesses here now. Blockbuster, Comcast, Google, CVS Pharmacy, etc...
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Jan 12, 2009 3:38 AM
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In other words, this is about an ultra-corrupt old ruling class that Einstein and many other world-class humanists accused of running everything that matters.
Of course Israel does it's share of dirty business (no telling what a few hundred illegal Israeli spies were doing at the U.S. and New York on the day of 9/11 and the subsequent coverup into sham 9/11 "war on terror").
Religion has its charming rituals but it has always been a blind faith excuse to steal and decimate your neighbor. Keep the faith - send the blood money.
"The minority, the ruling class at present, has the schools and press, usually the Church as well, under its thumb. This enables it to organize and sway the emotions of the masses, and make its tool of them."
Doctor Albert Einstein (in a letter to Sigmund Freud 7/30/1932. 1879-1955)
“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government of the U.S. ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.”
PRESIDENT FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT (on oligarch Fascist rule in a letter to handler “Colonel” Edward M. House, confidence man for the cartel and founder of the Council on Foreign Relations. House also handled President Wilson for the foisting of a private and unconstitutional “Federal Reserve” Corporation sham with its IRS in 1913. November 21st, l933 from the book "F.D.R.: His Personal Letters" - New York: Duell, Sloan and Pearce 1950)
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» Sounds like peanut gallery Ignorance...
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» RE: Sounds like peanut gallery Ignorance...NO KIDDING!!
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Posted by: orionsan on Jan 12, 2009 4:25 AM
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Posted by: jbpazz on Jan 12, 2009 5:17 AM
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The Hamas hides in hospitals and bunkers using women and children as shields. They do everything to increase the civilian death toll, as a propaganda tool.
Hamas could care less if every Gazan died. They depend on Jewish humanitarian sentiment to stop the fighting.
With Progressive help, Hamas may win concessions enabling it to recover for another war with the Israelis two or three years hence.
Stop them now or stop them later at even more cost.
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Posted by: muktuk on Jan 12, 2009 5:36 AM
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http://www.irmep.org/ila/default.asp
IRMEP also has good information on:
"A Clean Break": the 1996 policy paper written by Richard Perle and others who pushed America to invade Iraq.
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Posted by: sunnywater on Jan 12, 2009 5:52 AM
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It took Fintan O'Toole, The Irish Times's resident philosopher-in-chief, to speak the unspeakable. "When does the mandate of victimhood expire?" he asked. "At what point does the Nazi genocide of Europe's Jews cease to excuse the state of Israel from the demands of international law and of common humanity?"
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Posted by: curiousdwk on Jan 12, 2009 6:00 AM
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I am not anti-Hillary as I would have preferred to have seen her as Sec of Health and Human Services, or even VP. But not Sec of State, realizing the importance of the Middle East policy.
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Posted by: NAM67VET on Jan 12, 2009 10:29 AM
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This post is a real treat for the English teacher that lurks within me. Please make some sense of the quoted sentence,for a start.
With full support for your fervor, I must say that your divisions are diverting.
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Posted by: steveconn on Jan 12, 2009 8:26 AM
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Presidential candidate Barack Obama visited the southern city of Sderot during his July campaign. He said, “If somebody was sending rockets into my house where my two daughters sleep at night, I would do everything in my power to stop that, and would expect Israelis to do the same thing.”
That July campaign statement was probably strategic. Obama wanted no voter confusion with former Democratic Presidential candidate Michael Dukakis, who waffled in a debate, when asked if he would kill his wife’s rapist. Obama wanted no confusion on the part of the American Jewry for whom an unquestioned American- Israeli defense against the Arab universe is a sin qua non for voter support.Now Obama’s campaign response is taken by the world as a blanket endorsement of a massacre, a legacy to his tenure even before his inauguration and actual tenure as President begins.
Whatever his motivation, Barak Obama cannot not wait until after his inauguration to speak out on Gaza; he must change his tune. His apparent support for any military response to the rockets from Gaza under siege is a propaganda battle flag for the Israeli squeeze play, a Mid-East version of “Redskin removal,” so very familiar to America’s own indigenous minorities. Did Obama mean that he would have machine gunned his neighborhood if his daughters were threatened by gang bangers somewhere in that vast urban terrain? Suppose these targets were penned into a reservation along with innocent civilians? Would he then endorse a human turkey shoot? If he relents, who else will attempt to define this new President and his agenda?
While he keeps silent, Obama’s allies in the Congress blame the massacre on Hamas. The Israeli military holds all the cards: a captive population with nowhere to run, and Arab states who don’t want to absorb new refugee populations and know Israel has the nuclear bomb, a compliant Western media, banned from the urban killing fields, and a siege that weakens the population as it holds the targets in place. Is Obama another of those cards? The Israeli control their own destiny in this campaign. They may have decided from long experience with hostile neighbors who call suicide bombers, “martyrs,” that only a bloody action of grotesque proportions,( what Richard Pryor in his nearly forgotten 1974 comedy album would have termed the “crazy n**ger” defense”), as the only convincing response to Muslim extremists who speak openly of Jewish extermination. By not amending or conditioning his July remark, Obama now identifies with a ruthless and unpredictable approach to foreign policy that is the very antithesis of the public persona and foreign policy agenda he has so laboriously created with its emphasis on negotiation and multilateralism.
Does Obama really want his own policy to be defined by default by the Israelis with their chosen stratagem against the Gazans and Hamas? Does he understand that a reservoir of good will that is uniquely his throughout the third world as the first President of color is being undermined by this failure to clarify his bombastic campaign statement, now underscored both by his refusal to speak and by nauseating images of bloodied Gaza children in their shrouds?
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Posted by: Passacaglia on Jan 19, 2009 2:23 AM
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Jan 12, 2009 9:05 AM
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(1) Has this "policy" of "defending Israel" helped to encourage the peace they claim they want?
(2) Why is it that Israel's imitation of Nazi Germany toward the Palestinians seem acceptable to so many?
(3) When the Ashkasnazim were sent to Israel - there were people already there, that were displaced in many cases by force - why is that acceptable? And why should they have to continue to bear that burden?
(4)Why is it that stopping food, fuel, medicine, blocking the ports deemed an acceptable solution - when you are the inter-loper and decrying how you want peace not enough of a reason for the Palestinian people to fight back!?
(5)Jews in America - are they Jewish first or Americans first?
The blind support of Israel's policies (bad or worse) are not good for them or US as we can see. It is high time that people start to realize that, if the US is to be a mediator in the M.E. than we must champion both sides. Israel must also learn to exist with her neighbors, and the Palestinians must be allowed to survive!
While Israel "says" that they want peace, their actions show that peace must be on their terms. The Palestinian people must leave the land, the Arab neighbors must acquiesce to all demands not just of recognizing Israel - but to take in the Palestinian people and ensure that Israel is left alone! Exactly how does holding a gun to someone's head equate with peace!?
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» RE: Do you really think Jewish-Americans are somehow less American than other religious groups?
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What You Don’t Know About Gaza
By RASHID KHALIDI
NEARLY everything you’ve been led to believe about Gaza is wrong. Below are a few essential points that seem to be missing from the conversation, much of which has taken place in the press, about Israel’s attack on the Gaza Strip.
THE GAZANS Most of the people living in Gaza are not there by choice. The majority of the 1.5 million people crammed into the roughly 140 square miles of the Gaza Strip belong to families that came from towns and villages outside Gaza like Ashkelon and Beersheba. They were driven to Gaza by the Israeli Army in 1948...
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Jan 12, 2009 9:42 AM
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I'm dwelling here on Israel's fate, rather than the Palestinians',
because I think it's an overlooked aspect of the situation. Aside from the moral and humanitarian disaster, there is a horrifying practical issue that follows from the atrocity already occurring in occupied Palestine:
Israel is writing its own death warrant. Military dominance cannot last forever, especially when you are surrounded with a sea of enemies who burn with undying and (I think) fundamentally justified hatred. (A side issue to this: that was a bizarrely dangerous place to put a "refuge" for the Jews.) Eventually, the Arabs will find a way. This is such a well-known phenomenon that we have endless stock phrases for it.
Israel has sown the wind, and the whirlwind is building. We can already see their military superiority slipping, and so can they.
That means the world is faced with a very real possibility of an almost
unparalleled nightmare: a new Holocaust and a new diaspora, in the midst of a nuclear conflagration at the crossroads of the world. The US bears very direct responsibility for the situation, because only US
support and weaponry have enabled Israel to defy morality, law, and
their neighbors so arrogantly. Consequently, only withdrawing that
support has much hope of bringing them to their senses before disaster
strikes. Unfortunately, I don't see much hope of that happening anytime
soon. As a Green, I certainly don't have much "Hope"(tm) of the new
administration making any genuinely new departures. I have no idea how
long we have - there is good reason to think the tipping point is
already passed, although the nuclear card certainly gives the Israelis
some bargaining room.
This article offers us a ray of hope, but the truth is that Obama already kissed that ring. His silence during the present genocide in Gaza speaks very loudly, as I'm sure he knows. His excuse is feeble to the point of bizarre.
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Posted by: NAM67VET on Jan 12, 2009 10:50 AM
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The NSP reaches out to non-Jews and non-believers through a website (www.spiritualprogressives.org) and in Tikkun Magazine, where Rabbi Lerner couches his empassioned calls for justice with rich (and somewhat wordy) appeals to Jewish tradition and a fully rational theology.
They are currently planning an ad for the New York Times (see it and help publish it at www.spiritualprogressives.org/article.php/gaza)urging President-elect Obama to call for an immediate Gaza Cease Fire and announce that he will convene an International Conference to resolve the larger Israel/Palestine conflict.
This non-Jewish religious rational finds NSP to be the refreshing voice of religious reason so desperately needed nowadays.
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Posted by: eaanders on Jan 12, 2009 10:55 AM
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Posted by: jimswanson on Jan 12, 2009 11:14 AM
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Best of luck to the emerging liberal pro-Israel groups (such as J Street and Americans For Peace Now), but it’s a long shot that they will ever come close to matching AIPAC’s clout and effectiveness.
Of the thousands of groups that lobby our spineless government, AIPAC is by far the most influential and feared.
AIPAC’s enormous clout—coupled with its willingness to kill the messenger if the message is not 100% pro-Israel—puts the fear of God in any American politician, whether Democrat or Republican, who wishes to be candid and rational regarding Israeli affairs.
The raw fear of AIPAC extends to America’s Big Media.
But no one will ever fear the emerging liberal voices, partly because they will never have the cojones to play hardball.
Thanks to AIPAC, there is much less meaningful debate in the United States regarding anything affecting Israel than there is anywhere else in the developed Western world, including Israel itself.
This and much more is discussed in, “The Bush League of Nations: The Coalition of the Unwilling, the Bullied and the Bribed – the GOP’s War on Iraq and America,” by James A. Swanson (2008, CreateSpace Publishing, 448 pages).
Patriots everywhere can download the entire book for free at www.bushleagueofnations.com,
I ask for nothing in return, except that you use my book, if you are so inclined, to help restore and build America.
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Posted by: sausalito babe on Jan 12, 2009 11:24 AM
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Having endured deadly rocket attacks, murderous suicide bombers etc, for over 8 years, Jews in Israel wonder aloud why their government waited so long.
Every generation of Jews produces dangerous doubters, for whom a Jewish Homeland is more alien to them then a life with their families on the planet Pluto.
During the Nazi Era some European ( and American) Jews refused to accept the extermination of 6 million European Jews.
Those who delude themselves into thinking a weak, indefensible Israel is OK, don't know what thy are talking about.
They are the descendants of those in denial duing the Nazi Era.
On a Top Ten priority list, a strong secure Israel ranks 9th or 10th, if at all with those who wish AIPAC would just go away.
(It won't)
Do you think that our Pres-elect would forget his own words in S'derot Israel last July when he stood in front of a school, and enunciated quite articulately that if someone was launching deadly rockets against his daughters, he "would go after them with everything" he's got.
hamas, who took over all of the banks in Gaza and stole all monies. hides in mosques, schools, Red Cross ambulanes, in people's bedrooms and kithens, and throughout the civilian population of Gaza on purpose.
ps: There is no such thing as a palestinian.
Ask yourself:
Why do the 20 Arab nations despise and fear the so-called palestinians more then the Israelis do?
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Posted by: Squarehead on Jan 12, 2009 11:41 AM
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And by that, I mean not just the large sums spent by AIPAC, but the even larger sums spent at the behest of the 'Military- Industrial Complex' on armaments in general?
Those guys know where the money is. In production and consumption of your wares.
As an indication of how small the REAL influence of AIPAC- PNAC and their type; I have a Jewish friend, who pointed out in conversation, that American Jews were largely liberal, vaguely leftist, and NOT naturally supportive of AIPAC. His point was that of the 80 wealthiest people in USA, about EIGHT were of Jewish ethnic origin, and about FOUR were supporters of the whole AIPAC event. The fact that this 4 were/ are very, very, wealthy allowed a grossly disproportionate political influence.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Jan 12, 2009 3:12 PM
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Israel and MANY other nations got it wrong
Down with theocracies or even the apppearance of theocracies
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Posted by: lturner1116 on Jan 12, 2009 4:03 PM
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Dear Editors,
In his 1/11 "Where I Stand" op-ed, your editor posits that a cease-fire in Gaza must "apply first" to Hamas, because "they started it." I fear Mr. Greenspun has not gone back far enough in history. We must ask, "Who really started it?"
Was it the early Zionists (searching the world for a Jewish "homeland") who used the guilt and shame of the holocaust and accusations of anti-Semitism to help create the State of Israel in what they falsely called "a land without people for a people without a land?" Was the location they chose really the best "safe haven" for Jews?
Was it the US government, which had hesitated to intervene in Europe (until Pearl Harbor forced it), and even denied entry into the US to people fleeing the slaughter, but saw Israeli statehood as a way to siphon off Jewish immigration into the US?
Was it US foreign policy that ever since has given special status to Israel--a sort of "unconditional love"--against the longterm interests of both the US and Israel; supplying billions of dollars in arms, and ignoring until it was too late Israeli actions such as building settlements on Israeli land, or its "iron fist" tactics that will never bring peace to the region?
The conflict did not begin with Hamas. Perhaps the Palestinian people democratically elected such radical leadership because no one else would challenge the unjust balance of power. We cheer the fighters of the Warsaw ghetto when they fought (by any means available) their Nazi occupiers, but deny Palestinians the right to do the same against the brutal occupation they have endured for years.
As a Jew, I ask that our government, legislators, and people not confuse opposing Israel's actions with anti-Semitism. Our one-sided pro-Israel approach to the "Middle East Problem" has helped create the animosity now directed at us; it should not be prolonged.
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Jan 14, 2009 2:49 AM
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We do occasionally send our right wing to the south of France. But that is only for the winter. They return. Worse yet they leave their minions in charge with orders to call them in case we get out of control.
If I have this wrong I will apologize.
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Posted by: gkuhl3 on Jan 16, 2009 7:42 PM
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This Israeli bombing of Gaza is inhumane and criminal.
It amounts to Genocide and those responsible ought to be brought before an international criminal court of justice.
The corporate fascist media in the U.S are nothing but Zionist apologists.
The time has come for Israel to STOP once and for all its evil colonial occupation of Palestine.
We have had enough with this domination, this unjust war against the Palestinians.
Israel has engaged in an ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people, and in a outgoing expansion
of their Jewish settlements on Palestinian territories for years now.
Hamas is a consequence of the brutal, abusive and ruthless Israeli occupation.
The Palestinian people and Hamas are simply resisting and fighting for their freedom.
It's a struggle for liberation and self determination.
And for an autonomy and sovereignty that Israel has deny them for way too long now.
As long as Israel continues its heinous crimes against the Palestinians
There will be no "security for Israel" and no peace in the middle east.
We owe it to the Palestinian people to have autonomy over their territories without Israeli intervention,
occupation and control of their borders.
All the Palestinians want is a sovereign Palestinian state or Palestinian territories.
And a peaceful coexistence with Israel.
Guillermo Kuhl
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He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt.
He has been given a large brain by mistake, science for him the spinal cord would fully suffice.
This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once.
Heroism at command, senseless brutality, deplorable love-of-country stance, how violently I hate all this,
how despicable an ignorable war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action!
It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder." (Albert Einstein)
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