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Hey Obama, Don't Let Afghanistan Be Your Quagmire
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President-elect Barack Obama says that Afghanistan is "the right war." "It's time to heed the call from General [David] McKiernan and others for more troops," Obama said in late October, referring to the US commander in Afghanistan. "That's why I'd send at least two or three additional combat brigades to Afghanistan." He's coupled that with tough talk about hitting Al Qaeda anywhere, including next door in Pakistan. "If we have Osama bin Laden in our sights and the Pakistani government is unable or unwilling to take them out, then I think that we have to act, and we will take them out," Obama said in the second of his three debates with John McCain. "We will kill bin Laden. We will crush Al Qaeda."
Despite such rhetoric, however, nearly two years ago Obama began assembling a cast of experts steeped in the intricacies of South Asian affairs, and they have provided him with a far richer and more sophisticated view of the Afghanistan-Pakistan tangle than emerged in the campaign. "The format of presidential debates does not lend itself to a nuanced discussion," says Bruce Riedel, wryly. A former CIA specialist on South Asia who served on the National Security Council under Presidents Clinton and Bush, Riedel led an advisory task force on Afghanistan-Pakistan for Obama. Interviews with Riedel and other Obama advisers--who made it clear they were not speaking for the president-elect--suggest that Obama intends to reorient US policy in the region significantly, and a key plank in that reorientation includes negotiations with the enemy. But assertions by the US command and the Obama team that we can both "surge" and negotiate overlook the glaring reality that sending more troops into the Afghan quagmire and urging the Pakistani government to escalate the war it is fighting against its own people will make the crisis worse, not better.
The outlines of Obama's strategy, which aren't likely to be articulated fully until after the inauguration, include a repudiation of the strident "global war on terror" rhetoric that marked President Bush's years and that only inflamed Muslim attitudes toward the United States. Campaign sloganeering aside, Obama may try to curtail the indiscriminate use of air power in Afghanistan against often ill-defined targets ("just air raiding villages and killing civilians" was how he put it in 2007), though how he'll do that while adding more troops and escalating the war isn't clear. He'll slow down, if not halt, the provocative cross-border attacks into Pakistani tribal areas against insurgent bases, even as he reserves the right to hit bin Laden. The incoming administration will take steps to strengthen the fledgling civilian government of President Asif Ali Zardari in Pakistan against the machinations of the Pakistani army and its Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI), which maintains covert ties to a wide range of extremist groups, including the Taliban. And it will support a major boost in economic aid to both countries.
Nearly all of Obama's advisers--along with members of a parallel task force at the Center for American Progress, a think tank likely to be the source of many Obama appointees--insist that a central part of a new US policy toward Afghanistan and Pakistan must be to facilitate a peace process between Pakistan and India, its giant neighbor to the east. For decades, Pakistan's military and the ISI have lent covert support to Islamist terrorist groups, in Afghanistan and in the disputed territory of Kashmir, as part of a strategy of asymmetric warfare against India. A Pakistan-India accord would strengthen Pakistan's civilian government and undercut the rationale for the army and ISI's ties to the Taliban, allied Afghan Islamist warlords and Kashmiri Islamist militant groups such as Lashkar-e-Taiba, suspected of involvement in the Mumbai terror attack. Wendy Chamberlin, US ambassador to Pakistan on 9/11 and a member of Obama's Pakistan task force, is a strong supporter of efforts to forge a Pakistan-India accord. "I argued for it [in 2002]," she says. And I got dismissed."
Many of Obama's advisers are open to the notion of bringing Iran into the mix, pointing out that Iran was helpful in 2001 in building the original coalition behind Afghan President Hamid Karzai. Iran's role was also highlighted in a September report by a private working group led by Richard Armitage, a former deputy secretary of state, and Lee Hamilton, co-chair of the 9/11 Commission. They suggested connecting Pakistan, Afghanistan, India and Iran in a regional economic community, concluding, "The U.S. should...reconsider its opposition to the proposed Iran-Pakistan-India (IPI) pipeline project." Tariq Ali, a British-Pakistani scholar and author of The Duel: Pakistan on the Flight Path of American Power, has called for creation of a South Asian Union to facilitate a regional economic resurgence.
Even as they favor eventual talks with "reconcilable" elements of the Taliban movement, some of Obama's advisers and Gen. David Petraeus, the Centcom commander, defend their call for a surge by arguing that their first priority is to stabilize Afghanistan militarily. "Trying to divide your enemy is always a smart thing to do," says Riedel. "But until we break the momentum that the Taliban has today, where they feel that they're the winner, I don't see that you have any credible chance of persuading even a small number of Taliban to break. They think they're winning, and if you look at the numbers, you can make a pretty convincing case."
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Posted by: AlexLawyer on Jan 7, 2009 1:00 AM
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Posted by: reinaldok on Jan 7, 2009 1:15 AM
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Posted by: AlexLawyer on Jan 7, 2009 2:44 AM
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Obama golfing while Gaza burns hasn't done our image any good, and the "one president at a time" mantra doesn't resonate. The world equates Israel's offenses with the US, and Obama's belated and tepid expression of concern didn't impress anybody.
He can't publicly criticize Israel in any way, as it would be political suicide, but he could have flown to Tel Aviv and met the Israeli leaders personally. He could have talked to Sarkozy, who's taking the lead for the west.
Obama has been tested, and he flunked the pop quiz. Let's hope he improves.
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Posted by: pfgetty on Jan 7, 2009 4:33 AM
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But, of course, the 9/11 official story is a fairy tale, specifically planned so that we COULD go into Afghanistan and Iraq without much complaining from the American people. It was planned that way by the Neocons in their PNAC papers, specifically saying that they need a "New Pearl Harbor" in order to get the American people on their side in their agenda to remake the Middle East for the sake of petroleum control and Israel.
Alternet does a good job criticizing all of the things that came from 9/11, like the occupation of Afghanistan, but it is senseless. As long as 9/11, the official story, is believed by the American people, we will continue the results of that fateful day, like occupations and wars abroad, wiretapping, torture, the Patriot Act, etc.
The only way to stop the mayhem and insanity is to bring to light the huge amount of evidence that 9/11 was an inside job. It isn't hard. All the work has been done heroicly by Jones and Stevens and Griffin and Ryan and Ruppert and others.
All that has to happen is that the alternative media bring it all to the people. But Alternet has decided that it will not. We don't know why. They won't tell us. They avoid the issue like the plague, giving us one article in seven years that also had the "other side" presented as a rebuttal.
How many articles about torture or Sarah Palin or wiretapping on Alternet come with the mandatory "other side". Besides, one article isn't even an minimal effort. Just one article a week would have meant nearly four hundred articles. That would have given us the required information that would prove 9/11 was an inside job. Even a few dozen articles could hit all the major points.
Alternet is allowing the insanity to continue. It is part of their agenda, apparently. Maybe they are under extreme pressure not to mention 9/11 truth. Maybe their contributors, the big ones, tell them to avoid the issue, the most important issue in American history. We don't know. It is a secret.
But, although Alternet people are good people, they are part of the conspiracy to defraud the American people, part of the coverup. They are like so many good Germans who KNEW, and allowed it all to happen.
We have to pressure Alternet to tell us the story, the most important story of all, the story that once understood by Americans, will bring us a better government, one that we can be proud of, and get rid of the monsters we have controlling us and our media.
Alternet can do it, if only they would.
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Posted by: xi_people on Jan 7, 2009 4:32 AM
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Hello! The president, probably no more so than in this case, is nothing but a tool -- a frontman who pretends to be in control to give the proles an illusory impression that there is a big 'father-figure' who is looking out for their best interests and protecting their country. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Obama will do what he is commanded to do; nothing more, nothing less. Hint: peace is not on the agenda.
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Posted by: rjf7r on Jan 7, 2009 5:24 AM
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Unfortunately, he has surrounded himself with people who will reinforce the notion that "Afghanistan is the 'good Iraq' (and, by the way, Iraq isn't all that bad)." It is very unlikely that he will bring about a fundamental change in the situation.
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» Who built and aided the Taliban? THE U.S.A. back in the 1980s and into the 1990s !
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Jan 7, 2009 8:20 AM
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Afghanistan was just the College campus for Saudis to enroll their children in, their undering Indoctriation had already been accomplished before they started their 'Freshman' Yr at the Campus.
Not only did Bush Welcome the invitation to get his Oil Corp foot in the door of the M.E. he was so stupid he never realized it was a Trap!Of course Cheney Knew that Afghanistan would provide the excuse and capablities to finally bring down the US, he'd watched and supported the 'Freedom fighters' throughout the Afghan/USSR conflict...Perfect quagmire which leads to economic instablity. Not to mention a launch point to gain oil fields for his UAE Masters in Iraq & Iran region.
I'm No psychic, No International Relations Einstien, but as soon as they proclaimed Boots were on the Ground in Afhganistan I KNEW this was going to be a disaster for US.About as clearly as when the Repugs rolled out their Quest to creat a Caste Feudal system in America, with 'Trickle Down' in the '80's.
Afghani's have survived long before our country was founded, I'm sure they 'll figure out how to go on without US in the future.
If we are going to invest in further M.E. conlicts, Lets bomb the shit out of the UAE countries..the ones who lured US there under False pretense (and Who really attacked US on 9/11). It would be far easier since none have their own military, Just use Ours as their Contractual Hitmen.... Quick & Easy!
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» The US is hooked to Saudi's oil and Saudi Arabia DID shelter the Taliban. Hint: HOUSE OF SAUD
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Posted by: 876 on Jan 7, 2009 8:50 AM
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Of course it can’t be won without going into Pakistan; the Taliban is Pakistan’s army for god’s sake! Having spent so many years sponsoring and funding this Pakistani proxy army why do Americans pretend o be so naïve about the Taliban? As if they don’t know darn well who the Taliban is and who they benefit; certainly not the terrorized Afghan people.
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Posted by: douglashoyt on Jan 7, 2009 6:40 PM
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This is change we can believe in.
Ha,ha, ha, to all the suckers who voted for this shill thinking he would be different. He told you who he was before the election.
Hey, suckers just continue to vote against your own interests. You idiots thought because Mr. Obama looks "black" he would be for the little guy and understand your miserable life. Ha,ha,ha.
suckers.
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Posted by: keyloe30 on Jan 8, 2009 9:23 PM
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As a former military officer, I abhore war and wish it wasnt sometimes necessary. The conditions and the nature of the foe are making it difficult for us? Welcome to reality...that is what the enemy is supposed to do. They will consider us occupiers? Tough, remind yourself that their defacto govt protected UBL and his cohorts so we why are not within our rights to destroy the movement withing this country. If we present a larger footprint we will create more targets? No kidding, the enemy will respond to the face of our fighting power with asymentric tactics since they are not stupid enough to often face us in the open. I guess the option to leave because those who cmplain the loudest in our society about having to pay for a response to 9/11 is better than staying and winning. ?How about this option...over time divert the resources from Iraq to Afghanland, increase our presence with our allies. Forget the fake analogies to the tribal warriors who gave Alexander fits and foiled the British empire and resolve to take the movenment down from this forsaken land and put something better in it's place - resolve to win. Resolve to spend the money to rebuild the place to include infrastructure and a new econemy and schools that teach that women have the same rights as men. Stay 25 years until the 2-3 generations of knuckleheads die off and something closer to a representative democracy rises out of the ashes. And never forget the tragically shortened lives of the 3000 on 9/11 who were unfortunate to go to work that day and just thank fate that you werent one of them.
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Posted by: reinaldok on Jan 7, 2009 1:15 AM
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affairs in truly URGENT.
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Posted by: AlexLawyer on Jan 7, 2009 2:44 AM
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Obama golfing while Gaza burns hasn't done our image any good, and the "one president at a time" mantra doesn't resonate. The world equates Israel's offenses with the US, and Obama's belated and tepid expression of concern didn't impress anybody.
He can't publicly criticize Israel in any way, as it would be political suicide, but he could have flown to Tel Aviv and met the Israeli leaders personally. He could have talked to Sarkozy, who's taking the lead for the west.
Obama has been tested, and he flunked the pop quiz. Let's hope he improves.
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Posted by: Direct Democracy on Jan 7, 2009 4:12 AM
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Posted by: pfgetty on Jan 7, 2009 4:33 AM
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But, of course, the 9/11 official story is a fairy tale, specifically planned so that we COULD go into Afghanistan and Iraq without much complaining from the American people. It was planned that way by the Neocons in their PNAC papers, specifically saying that they need a "New Pearl Harbor" in order to get the American people on their side in their agenda to remake the Middle East for the sake of petroleum control and Israel.
Alternet does a good job criticizing all of the things that came from 9/11, like the occupation of Afghanistan, but it is senseless. As long as 9/11, the official story, is believed by the American people, we will continue the results of that fateful day, like occupations and wars abroad, wiretapping, torture, the Patriot Act, etc.
The only way to stop the mayhem and insanity is to bring to light the huge amount of evidence that 9/11 was an inside job. It isn't hard. All the work has been done heroicly by Jones and Stevens and Griffin and Ryan and Ruppert and others.
All that has to happen is that the alternative media bring it all to the people. But Alternet has decided that it will not. We don't know why. They won't tell us. They avoid the issue like the plague, giving us one article in seven years that also had the "other side" presented as a rebuttal.
How many articles about torture or Sarah Palin or wiretapping on Alternet come with the mandatory "other side". Besides, one article isn't even an minimal effort. Just one article a week would have meant nearly four hundred articles. That would have given us the required information that would prove 9/11 was an inside job. Even a few dozen articles could hit all the major points.
Alternet is allowing the insanity to continue. It is part of their agenda, apparently. Maybe they are under extreme pressure not to mention 9/11 truth. Maybe their contributors, the big ones, tell them to avoid the issue, the most important issue in American history. We don't know. It is a secret.
But, although Alternet people are good people, they are part of the conspiracy to defraud the American people, part of the coverup. They are like so many good Germans who KNEW, and allowed it all to happen.
We have to pressure Alternet to tell us the story, the most important story of all, the story that once understood by Americans, will bring us a better government, one that we can be proud of, and get rid of the monsters we have controlling us and our media.
Alternet can do it, if only they would.
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Posted by: xi_people on Jan 7, 2009 4:32 AM
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Hello! The president, probably no more so than in this case, is nothing but a tool -- a frontman who pretends to be in control to give the proles an illusory impression that there is a big 'father-figure' who is looking out for their best interests and protecting their country. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Obama will do what he is commanded to do; nothing more, nothing less. Hint: peace is not on the agenda.
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Posted by: rjf7r on Jan 7, 2009 5:24 AM
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Unfortunately, he has surrounded himself with people who will reinforce the notion that "Afghanistan is the 'good Iraq' (and, by the way, Iraq isn't all that bad)." It is very unlikely that he will bring about a fundamental change in the situation.
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» RE: Building a Humanitarian Army
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» RE: the Afghanistan war was no more "necessary" than Iraq
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» RE: the Afghanistan war was no more "necessary" than Iraq
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» Who built and aided the Taliban? THE U.S.A. back in the 1980s and into the 1990s !
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» RE: Who built and aided the Taliban? THE U.S.A. back in the 1980s and into the 1990s !
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» RE: Who built and aided the Taliban? THE U.S.A. back in the 1980s and into the 1990s !
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» Taliban origins
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Posted by: gellero1 on Jan 7, 2009 5:37 AM
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» You again?
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jan 7, 2009 8:11 AM
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» RE: AFGANISTAN COULD BE OBAMA'S UNDOING..and yes
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Jan 7, 2009 8:20 AM
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Afghanistan was just the College campus for Saudis to enroll their children in, their undering Indoctriation had already been accomplished before they started their 'Freshman' Yr at the Campus.
Not only did Bush Welcome the invitation to get his Oil Corp foot in the door of the M.E. he was so stupid he never realized it was a Trap!Of course Cheney Knew that Afghanistan would provide the excuse and capablities to finally bring down the US, he'd watched and supported the 'Freedom fighters' throughout the Afghan/USSR conflict...Perfect quagmire which leads to economic instablity. Not to mention a launch point to gain oil fields for his UAE Masters in Iraq & Iran region.
I'm No psychic, No International Relations Einstien, but as soon as they proclaimed Boots were on the Ground in Afhganistan I KNEW this was going to be a disaster for US.About as clearly as when the Repugs rolled out their Quest to creat a Caste Feudal system in America, with 'Trickle Down' in the '80's.
Afghani's have survived long before our country was founded, I'm sure they 'll figure out how to go on without US in the future.
If we are going to invest in further M.E. conlicts, Lets bomb the shit out of the UAE countries..the ones who lured US there under False pretense (and Who really attacked US on 9/11). It would be far easier since none have their own military, Just use Ours as their Contractual Hitmen.... Quick & Easy!
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» RE: Afghanistan was the Ploy and the Bait
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» daniel1982 is just a Raygun righwing motherfucker who's DELUDED.
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» The US is hooked to Saudi's oil and Saudi Arabia DID shelter the Taliban. Hint: HOUSE OF SAUD
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Posted by: 876 on Jan 7, 2009 8:50 AM
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Of course it can’t be won without going into Pakistan; the Taliban is Pakistan’s army for god’s sake! Having spent so many years sponsoring and funding this Pakistani proxy army why do Americans pretend o be so naïve about the Taliban? As if they don’t know darn well who the Taliban is and who they benefit; certainly not the terrorized Afghan people.
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Posted by: 876 on Jan 7, 2009 8:56 AM
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Posted by: jcore77 on Jan 7, 2009 8:56 AM
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Posted by: sonofloud on Jan 7, 2009 9:43 AM
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Posted by: han on Jan 7, 2009 4:03 PM
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Posted by: douglashoyt on Jan 7, 2009 6:40 PM
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This is change we can believe in.
Ha,ha, ha, to all the suckers who voted for this shill thinking he would be different. He told you who he was before the election.
Hey, suckers just continue to vote against your own interests. You idiots thought because Mr. Obama looks "black" he would be for the little guy and understand your miserable life. Ha,ha,ha.
suckers.
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Posted by: willymack on Jan 7, 2009 6:42 PM
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Posted by: Garvagh on Jan 7, 2009 8:39 PM
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Posted by: logansafi on Jan 7, 2009 9:33 PM
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Posted by: keyloe30 on Jan 8, 2009 9:23 PM
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As a former military officer, I abhore war and wish it wasnt sometimes necessary. The conditions and the nature of the foe are making it difficult for us? Welcome to reality...that is what the enemy is supposed to do. They will consider us occupiers? Tough, remind yourself that their defacto govt protected UBL and his cohorts so we why are not within our rights to destroy the movement withing this country. If we present a larger footprint we will create more targets? No kidding, the enemy will respond to the face of our fighting power with asymentric tactics since they are not stupid enough to often face us in the open. I guess the option to leave because those who cmplain the loudest in our society about having to pay for a response to 9/11 is better than staying and winning. ?How about this option...over time divert the resources from Iraq to Afghanland, increase our presence with our allies. Forget the fake analogies to the tribal warriors who gave Alexander fits and foiled the British empire and resolve to take the movenment down from this forsaken land and put something better in it's place - resolve to win. Resolve to spend the money to rebuild the place to include infrastructure and a new econemy and schools that teach that women have the same rights as men. Stay 25 years until the 2-3 generations of knuckleheads die off and something closer to a representative democracy rises out of the ashes. And never forget the tragically shortened lives of the 3000 on 9/11 who were unfortunate to go to work that day and just thank fate that you werent one of them.
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