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Hey Obama, Don't Let Afghanistan Be Your Quagmire

By Robert Dreyfuss, The Nation. Posted January 7, 2009.


Assertions by the Obama team that we can both "surge" and negotiate overlook a harsh reality. If Obama's not careful, he could make the crisis worse.
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President-elect Barack Obama says that Afghanistan is "the right war." "It's time to heed the call from General [David] McKiernan and others for more troops," Obama said in late October, referring to the US commander in Afghanistan. "That's why I'd send at least two or three additional combat brigades to Afghanistan." He's coupled that with tough talk about hitting Al Qaeda anywhere, including next door in Pakistan. "If we have Osama bin Laden in our sights and the Pakistani government is unable or unwilling to take them out, then I think that we have to act, and we will take them out," Obama said in the second of his three debates with John McCain. "We will kill bin Laden. We will crush Al Qaeda."

Despite such rhetoric, however, nearly two years ago Obama began assembling a cast of experts steeped in the intricacies of South Asian affairs, and they have provided him with a far richer and more sophisticated view of the Afghanistan-Pakistan tangle than emerged in the campaign. "The format of presidential debates does not lend itself to a nuanced discussion," says Bruce Riedel, wryly. A former CIA specialist on South Asia who served on the National Security Council under Presidents Clinton and Bush, Riedel led an advisory task force on Afghanistan-Pakistan for Obama. Interviews with Riedel and other Obama advisers--who made it clear they were not speaking for the president-elect--suggest that Obama intends to reorient US policy in the region significantly, and a key plank in that reorientation includes negotiations with the enemy. But assertions by the US command and the Obama team that we can both "surge" and negotiate overlook the glaring reality that sending more troops into the Afghan quagmire and urging the Pakistani government to escalate the war it is fighting against its own people will make the crisis worse, not better.

The outlines of Obama's strategy, which aren't likely to be articulated fully until after the inauguration, include a repudiation of the strident "global war on terror" rhetoric that marked President Bush's years and that only inflamed Muslim attitudes toward the United States. Campaign sloganeering aside, Obama may try to curtail the indiscriminate use of air power in Afghanistan against often ill-defined targets ("just air raiding villages and killing civilians" was how he put it in 2007), though how he'll do that while adding more troops and escalating the war isn't clear. He'll slow down, if not halt, the provocative cross-border attacks into Pakistani tribal areas against insurgent bases, even as he reserves the right to hit bin Laden. The incoming administration will take steps to strengthen the fledgling civilian government of President Asif Ali Zardari in Pakistan against the machinations of the Pakistani army and its Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI), which maintains covert ties to a wide range of extremist groups, including the Taliban. And it will support a major boost in economic aid to both countries.

Nearly all of Obama's advisers--along with members of a parallel task force at the Center for American Progress, a think tank likely to be the source of many Obama appointees--insist that a central part of a new US policy toward Afghanistan and Pakistan must be to facilitate a peace process between Pakistan and India, its giant neighbor to the east. For decades, Pakistan's military and the ISI have lent covert support to Islamist terrorist groups, in Afghanistan and in the disputed territory of Kashmir, as part of a strategy of asymmetric warfare against India. A Pakistan-India accord would strengthen Pakistan's civilian government and undercut the rationale for the army and ISI's ties to the Taliban, allied Afghan Islamist warlords and Kashmiri Islamist militant groups such as Lashkar-e-Taiba, suspected of involvement in the Mumbai terror attack. Wendy Chamberlin, US ambassador to Pakistan on 9/11 and a member of Obama's Pakistan task force, is a strong supporter of efforts to forge a Pakistan-India accord. "I argued for it [in 2002]," she says. And I got dismissed."

Many of Obama's advisers are open to the notion of bringing Iran into the mix, pointing out that Iran was helpful in 2001 in building the original coalition behind Afghan President Hamid Karzai. Iran's role was also highlighted in a September report by a private working group led by Richard Armitage, a former deputy secretary of state, and Lee Hamilton, co-chair of the 9/11 Commission. They suggested connecting Pakistan, Afghanistan, India and Iran in a regional economic community, concluding, "The U.S. should...reconsider its opposition to the proposed Iran-Pakistan-India (IPI) pipeline project." Tariq Ali, a British-Pakistani scholar and author of The Duel: Pakistan on the Flight Path of American Power, has called for creation of a South Asian Union to facilitate a regional economic resurgence.

Even as they favor eventual talks with "reconcilable" elements of the Taliban movement, some of Obama's advisers and Gen. David Petraeus, the Centcom commander, defend their call for a surge by arguing that their first priority is to stabilize Afghanistan militarily. "Trying to divide your enemy is always a smart thing to do," says Riedel. "But until we break the momentum that the Taliban has today, where they feel that they're the winner, I don't see that you have any credible chance of persuading even a small number of Taliban to break. They think they're winning, and if you look at the numbers, you can make a pretty convincing case."


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Robert Dreyfuss is the author of "Devil's Game: How the United States Helped Unleash Fundamentalist Islam" (Henry Holt/Metropolitan Books).

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Obama is Clueless on Afghanistan
Posted by: AlexLawyer on Jan 7, 2009 1:00 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
We can only hope that Obama's judgment improves. Despite his impressive intelligence and eloquence, his hawkishness on Afghanistan and pro-war national security team don't bode well. He has much in common with JFK, and this will be his Vietnam, or perhaps his Bay of Pigs. He just doesn't understand that we're recruiting ten terrorists for every one we kill.

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» JFK??? Posted by: gellero1
» RE: JFK??? Posted by: weathered
» RE: JFK??? Posted by: gellero1
» RE: JFK??? Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» you hoodwinked yourself Posted by: gellero1
» RE: you hoodwinked yourself Posted by: Cybershaman
» RE: you hoodwinked yourself Posted by: Bliss Doubt
» RE: Obama is Clueless on Posted by: braxxian1
I Just Don't Get It!
Posted by: reinaldok on Jan 7, 2009 1:15 AM   
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With so very many domestic problems, I just cannot rationally understand why an Obama administration would possibly want to get further involved in Asian politics. Enough is enough. Does Obama really want to keep up the Bush nonsense that we North Americans (and I do include Canada) are destined to be the world's police? Time to move on - A complete change in Asian politics and for that matter all foreign
affairs in truly URGENT.

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» I'll explain it! Posted by: improperly_sedated
» it's simple Posted by: socialpsych
» RE: I Just Don't Get It! Posted by: jbloggz
» RE: I Just Don't Get It! Posted by: Bliss Doubt
Obama is already in a quagmire by associations
Posted by: paulmagillsmith on Jan 7, 2009 2:06 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Read this and you'll understand why...

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281

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Biden Was Right, Obama Was Tested, and He Flunked
Posted by: AlexLawyer on Jan 7, 2009 2:44 AM   
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Joe Biden was attacked by the GOP for saying that Obama would face a test early on, and it came prematurely. Afghanistan will be a test, too, but Gaza is now in the spotlight.

Obama golfing while Gaza burns hasn't done our image any good, and the "one president at a time" mantra doesn't resonate. The world equates Israel's offenses with the US, and Obama's belated and tepid expression of concern didn't impress anybody.

He can't publicly criticize Israel in any way, as it would be political suicide, but he could have flown to Tel Aviv and met the Israeli leaders personally. He could have talked to Sarkozy, who's taking the lead for the west.

Obama has been tested, and he flunked the pop quiz. Let's hope he improves.

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Do Not Disturb
Posted by: Direct Democracy on Jan 7, 2009 4:12 AM   
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Obama is busy making Gaza his Katrina.


FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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» LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL Posted by: gellero1
Obama's Afghanistan plan makes sense, as long as we believe the 9/11 official story
Posted by: pfgetty on Jan 7, 2009 4:33 AM   
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If the official 9/11 story is true, then it does make sense to stay in Afghanistan and put all of our resources and effort into taking over that country and installing a regime that we like.
But, of course, the 9/11 official story is a fairy tale, specifically planned so that we COULD go into Afghanistan and Iraq without much complaining from the American people. It was planned that way by the Neocons in their PNAC papers, specifically saying that they need a "New Pearl Harbor" in order to get the American people on their side in their agenda to remake the Middle East for the sake of petroleum control and Israel.
Alternet does a good job criticizing all of the things that came from 9/11, like the occupation of Afghanistan, but it is senseless. As long as 9/11, the official story, is believed by the American people, we will continue the results of that fateful day, like occupations and wars abroad, wiretapping, torture, the Patriot Act, etc.
The only way to stop the mayhem and insanity is to bring to light the huge amount of evidence that 9/11 was an inside job. It isn't hard. All the work has been done heroicly by Jones and Stevens and Griffin and Ryan and Ruppert and others.
All that has to happen is that the alternative media bring it all to the people. But Alternet has decided that it will not. We don't know why. They won't tell us. They avoid the issue like the plague, giving us one article in seven years that also had the "other side" presented as a rebuttal.
How many articles about torture or Sarah Palin or wiretapping on Alternet come with the mandatory "other side". Besides, one article isn't even an minimal effort. Just one article a week would have meant nearly four hundred articles. That would have given us the required information that would prove 9/11 was an inside job. Even a few dozen articles could hit all the major points.
Alternet is allowing the insanity to continue. It is part of their agenda, apparently. Maybe they are under extreme pressure not to mention 9/11 truth. Maybe their contributors, the big ones, tell them to avoid the issue, the most important issue in American history. We don't know. It is a secret.
But, although Alternet people are good people, they are part of the conspiracy to defraud the American people, part of the coverup. They are like so many good Germans who KNEW, and allowed it all to happen.
We have to pressure Alternet to tell us the story, the most important story of all, the story that once understood by Americans, will bring us a better government, one that we can be proud of, and get rid of the monsters we have controlling us and our media.
Alternet can do it, if only they would.

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This is disinformation
Posted by: xi_people on Jan 7, 2009 4:32 AM   
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This article is nothing but disinformation, aimed at promoting the bankrupt concept that a president is actually in control of the country's polices. Its funny that some people actually believe that Obama could make a decision on his own to withdraw from Afghanistan, or do anything that would lessen the war profits made by the elite interests to which he is beholden.

Hello! The president, probably no more so than in this case, is nothing but a tool -- a frontman who pretends to be in control to give the proles an illusory impression that there is a big 'father-figure' who is looking out for their best interests and protecting their country. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Obama will do what he is commanded to do; nothing more, nothing less. Hint: peace is not on the agenda.

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» RE: This is disinformation Posted by: pfgetty
» impossible !! Posted by: gellero1
» RE: impossible !! Posted by: pfgetty
» RE: impossible !! Posted by: EncinoM
Why ever is the USA in Afghanistan?
Posted by: johnorford on Jan 7, 2009 4:41 AM   
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Now wait a minute. Why ever is the USA in Afghanistan? Surely they wouldn't kill whole villages, wedding parties, families and schools, just to get Osama? Probably they would, to judge by Panama. But the attacks on New York were meticulously planned - by Osama, hiding in a cave half-way up a mountain? If the CIA didn't know he was in Pakistan, it's time they were dissolved. Eleven years or so ago, Unocal was competing with Bridas to build a pipeline from the Caspian Sea, through Turkmenistan and Afghanistan, to Pakistan, with a branch to India. At one time the Taliban were happy to let it go on, but then they changed their minds and Unocal gave up the idea in 1998. The timing of the New York attacks was just right to provide a poor excuse for an attack on Afghanistan and since the US Government more or less follow Dr.Goebbels' line on the truth, one of the world's poorest countries was invaded by one of the richest. It seems more than likely that pipeline was at the back of someone's mind, especially as Karzai was once an adviser to Unocal.

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» OF COURSE Posted by: gellero1
» RE: OF COURSE Posted by: pfgetty
Don't worry. He won't. He'll do on Afghanistan what Bush did on Iraq.
Posted by: maxpayne on Jan 7, 2009 5:16 AM   
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Just poor in more troops, military contractors, and have us foot another really expensive bill and we the idiotic electorate will "accept" it just like we accept giving Israel, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, India, etc ... loads of WMDs at the taxpayers' expense of billions per year !

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the Afghanistan war was no more "necessary" than Iraq
Posted by: rjf7r on Jan 7, 2009 5:24 AM   
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Obama's initial, and fatal, mistake was accepting and even promoting the notion that "we had to go to war in Afghanistan". Once he accepted that, quagmire, and eventual fiscal ruin, is inevitable (barring a rejection of that premise).

Unfortunately, he has surrounded himself with people who will reinforce the notion that "Afghanistan is the 'good Iraq' (and, by the way, Iraq isn't all that bad)." It is very unlikely that he will bring about a fundamental change in the situation.

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» Oh come on Posted by: gellero1
» RE: Building a Humanitarian Army Posted by: americansheep
» Taliban origins Posted by: brunowe
Worse????
Posted by: gellero1 on Jan 7, 2009 5:37 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The Messiah???? Never !!

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» RE: Sad Posted by: Jennifer Bedingfield
» You again? Posted by: daniel1982
AFGANISTAN COULD BE OBAMA'S UNDOING
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jan 7, 2009 8:11 AM   
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However noble his intentions the Afgan people don't see it that way. We are intruders. The notion of a surge is almost comical except that it's costing lives, theirs and ours. If it's still about Osama bin Laden then let the CIA do their thing. But we keep killing the "second in command" of some tribe, except that we also kill 40-50 civilians on the way to a wedding or funeral. Like Iraq there is no point to any of it. The people of Afganistan have been around for a very long time. They don't take kindly to outsiders telling them how to run things. We have no right to send our military into some big black hole where there is no battle front, just random violence. There can be no plan, just hope for the best. That doesn't describe a military strategy. Terrorists, AlQuida? They live all over the world like cockroaches. They can only be stepped on whenever and wherever they surface. Everytime we kill one of them, ten more are recruited. Dying means something different to them than it does to us. We aren't fight an enemy, we are trying to abolish a way of thinking and doing that is thousands of years old. The idea of a surge is presposterous and geographically impossible. Afganistan looks like a rock pile on the moon. I just don't believe that we have a right to send our soldiers and marines into a mess that will make Iraq look good. It will be another top brass military brass screw up not to mention a serious moral failure on the part of the American people.

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Afghanistan was the Ploy and the Bait
Posted by: Purple Girl on Jan 7, 2009 8:20 AM   
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Funny how the majority of 9/11 attackers were Native sons of Saudi Arabia and Yet we have done nothing but kiss their Oil'royal'asses for the last 7 yrs (actually more like 30).
Afghanistan was just the College campus for Saudis to enroll their children in, their undering Indoctriation had already been accomplished before they started their 'Freshman' Yr at the Campus.
Not only did Bush Welcome the invitation to get his Oil Corp foot in the door of the M.E. he was so stupid he never realized it was a Trap!Of course Cheney Knew that Afghanistan would provide the excuse and capablities to finally bring down the US, he'd watched and supported the 'Freedom fighters' throughout the Afghan/USSR conflict...Perfect quagmire which leads to economic instablity. Not to mention a launch point to gain oil fields for his UAE Masters in Iraq & Iran region.
I'm No psychic, No International Relations Einstien, but as soon as they proclaimed Boots were on the Ground in Afhganistan I KNEW this was going to be a disaster for US.About as clearly as when the Repugs rolled out their Quest to creat a Caste Feudal system in America, with 'Trickle Down' in the '80's.
Afghani's have survived long before our country was founded, I'm sure they 'll figure out how to go on without US in the future.
If we are going to invest in further M.E. conlicts, Lets bomb the shit out of the UAE countries..the ones who lured US there under False pretense (and Who really attacked US on 9/11). It would be far easier since none have their own military, Just use Ours as their Contractual Hitmen.... Quick & Easy!

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Stating the obvious!
Posted by: 876 on Jan 7, 2009 8:50 AM   
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Those who insist the war is winnable, including US and NATO commanders, also say that it can't be won without taking the war across the border to Taliban sanctuaries in Pakistan's tribal areas, an escalation that's already under way.


Of course it can’t be won without going into Pakistan; the Taliban is Pakistan’s army for god’s sake! Having spent so many years sponsoring and funding this Pakistani proxy army why do Americans pretend o be so naïve about the Taliban? As if they don’t know darn well who the Taliban is and who they benefit; certainly not the terrorized Afghan people.

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876
Posted by: 876 on Jan 7, 2009 8:56 AM   
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He won the presidency on his promise to move the war from Iraq to Afghanistan; why, now complain that he is wrong about Afghanistan?! This is why millions voted for him.

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Spreading the news for our American Soldiers who need help
Posted by: jcore77 on Jan 7, 2009 8:56 AM   
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I think the US needs to step down their efforts worldwide and start utilizing those funds on our country and the millions of people who need time sensitive help. On top of that, I was alsways taught and told that going to war is the best way out of a recession/depression, what is up with that



Just spreading the news about a brand new foundation for American wounded soldiers and their families.
If you are a military soldier that is need of some extra assistance , then come and check out "The David H Brooks Foundation for American Wounded Soldiers"
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Don't hold your breath
Posted by: sonofloud on Jan 7, 2009 9:43 AM   
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Obama has proven he is center right and intends to keep the status quo.....thats why corporate america, organized religion, and the media choose him as president.

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The Russians are laughing their heads off.
Posted by: han on Jan 7, 2009 4:03 PM   
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First the US quagmired the Russians by sponsoring the resistance and now the US gets quagmired in it's place. Oh right this is not a problem for the US government! This is a problem for the US people! Looks like Obama's loyalties lie with the weapon industry. Noone can make it as a president without selling his soul to the devil.

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Sidwell Friends School Tuition $29,442
Posted by: douglashoyt on Jan 7, 2009 6:40 PM   
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Mr. Obama's kids are going to the ruling elite Sidwell.

This is change we can believe in.

Ha,ha, ha, to all the suckers who voted for this shill thinking he would be different. He told you who he was before the election.

Hey, suckers just continue to vote against your own interests. You idiots thought because Mr. Obama looks "black" he would be for the little guy and understand your miserable life. Ha,ha,ha.

suckers.

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Afghanistan, bananastan
Posted by: willymack on Jan 7, 2009 6:42 PM   
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Let's face it, folks, aside from the obscene profits made by the usual crooks who profit from war, Afghanistan has a huge and growing opium industry. Oil profits are peanuts compared to the money made from the drug trade. Lesee, now; who stands to make the most money from this? The manufacturers of heroin and their dealers, the banks which launder the drug money, plus the politicians, paid to look the other way, and to use OUR MILITARY to keep it going, that's who. Bin Laden is either dead or unreachable, but still useful for propoganda purposes. Without bin Laden or a phony "terrorist" organization to chase around, the whole Afghanistan scam falls apart like a house of cards in a sudden breeze.

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Iran is necessary participant in effort to achieve minimal stability in Afghanistan
Posted by: Garvagh on Jan 7, 2009 8:39 PM   
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Sending many thousands more US soldiers to Afghanistan will not achieve stability. Iran is obviously essential as a participant in a joint effort by neighboring countries that should focus on economic development. The US is incapable of fighting a long-term war in a Muslim country because it is so obviously seen, quite rightly, as the enabler of Israeli oppression of the Palestinians. The US needs to reduce its footprint in the Middle East (and Central Asia) substantially. Squandering scores of billions of taxpayer dollars on the failed Afghan situation is not in the national interest. By all means, encourage the Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline.

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Gaza is Obama's first step in his Afghan surge
Posted by: logansafi on Jan 7, 2009 9:33 PM   
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Let's face it, Obama means more war. He wants more war and not less. He was a war candidate and he has surrounded himself with the same ilk as Clinton and Bush have had in operation. Meanwhile, today he had tea with the other US war presidents of the past. No time to speak out against torture and the Israeli aggression in Gaza, but time to sip tea with Bush. Obama wants war with Iran. Liberals fall for these DP cons as fast as the Republican Right falls for tele-evangelists!

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Let's forget the 9/11 3000 dead, pack up and go home
Posted by: keyloe30 on Jan 8, 2009 9:23 PM   
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Let me apologize in advance to those who comment about the futility of this war as if our soldiers and their leaders really wanted to be there. 7 years ago the US was attacked by a group of jihad terrorists essentially launched from this still lawless place. The naive amoung us thought we had won handily and then were then misled to start a war with a country that could be best describved as a minor and contained threat as in Iraq.

As a former military officer, I abhore war and wish it wasnt sometimes necessary. The conditions and the nature of the foe are making it difficult for us? Welcome to reality...that is what the enemy is supposed to do. They will consider us occupiers? Tough, remind yourself that their defacto govt protected UBL and his cohorts so we why are not within our rights to destroy the movement withing this country. If we present a larger footprint we will create more targets? No kidding, the enemy will respond to the face of our fighting power with asymentric tactics since they are not stupid enough to often face us in the open. I guess the option to leave because those who cmplain the loudest in our society about having to pay for a response to 9/11 is better than staying and winning. ?How about this option...over time divert the resources from Iraq to Afghanland, increase our presence with our allies. Forget the fake analogies to the tribal warriors who gave Alexander fits and foiled the British empire and resolve to take the movenment down from this forsaken land and put something better in it's place - resolve to win. Resolve to spend the money to rebuild the place to include infrastructure and a new econemy and schools that teach that women have the same rights as men. Stay 25 years until the 2-3 generations of knuckleheads die off and something closer to a representative democracy rises out of the ashes. And never forget the tragically shortened lives of the 3000 on 9/11 who were unfortunate to go to work that day and just thank fate that you werent one of them.

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