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Gaza: Leaders Lie, Civilians Die and the Lessons of History Are Ignored

By Robert Fisk, Independent UK. Posted December 30, 2008.


Quite a lot of the dead this weekend appear to have been Hamas members, but what is it supposed to solve?
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We've got so used to the carnage of the Middle East that we don't care any more -- providing we don't offend the Israelis. It's not clear how many of the Gaza dead are civilians, but the response of the Bush administration, not to mention the pusillanimous reaction of Gordon Brown, reaffirm for Arabs what they have known for decades: however they struggle against their antagonists, the West will take Israel's side. As usual, the bloodbath was the fault of the Arabs -- who, as we all know, only understand force.

Ever since 1948, we've been hearing this balderdash from the Israelis -- just as Arab nationalists and then Arab Islamists have been peddling their own lies: that the Zionist "death wagon" will be overthrown, that all Jerusalem will be "liberated." And always Mr Bush Snr or Mr Clinton or Mr Bush Jnr or Mr Blair or Mr Brown have called upon both sides to exercise "restraint" -- as if the Palestinians and the Israelis both have F-18s and Merkava tanks and field artillery. Hamas's home-made rockets have killed just 20 Israelis in eight years, but a day-long blitz by Israeli aircraft that kills almost 300 Palestinians is just par for the course.

The blood-splattering has its own routine. Yes, Hamas provoked Israel's anger, just as Israel provoked Hamas's anger, which was provoked by Israel, which was provoked by Hamas, which ... See what I mean? Hamas fires rockets at Israel, Israel bombs Hamas, Hamas fires more rockets and Israel bombs again and ... Got it? And we demand security for Israel -- rightly -- but overlook this massive and utterly disproportionate slaughter by Israel. It was Madeleine Albright who once said that Israel was "under siege" -- as if Palestinian tanks were in the streets of Tel Aviv.

By last night, the exchange rate stood at 296 Palestinians dead for one dead Israeli. Back in 2006, it was 10 Lebanese dead for one Israeli dead. This weekend was the most inflationary exchange rate in a single day since -- the 1973 Middle East War? The 1967 Six Day War? The 1956 Suez War? The 1948 Independence/Nakba War? It's obscene, a gruesome game -- which Ehud Barak, the Israeli Defence Minister, unconsciously admitted when he spoke this weekend to Fox TV. "Our intention is to totally change the rules of the game," Barak said.

Exactly. Only the "rules" of the game don't change. This is a further slippage on the Arab-Israeli exchanges, a percentage slide more awesome than Wall Street's crashing shares, though of not much interest in the US which -- let us remember -- made the F-18s and the Hellfire missiles which the Bush administration pleads with Israel to use sparingly.

Quite a lot of the dead this weekend appear to have been Hamas members, but what is it supposed to solve? Is Hamas going to say: "Wow, this blitz is awesome -- we'd better recognize the state of Israel, fall in line with the Palestinian Authority, lay down our weapons and pray we are taken prisoner and locked up indefinitely and support a new American 'peace process' in the Middle East!" Is that what the Israelis and the Americans and Gordon Brown think Hamas is going to do?

Yes, let's remember Hamas's cynicism, the cynicism of all armed Islamist groups. Their need for Muslim martyrs is as crucial to them as Israel's need to create them. The lesson Israel thinks it is teaching -- come to heel or we will crush you -- is not the lesson Hamas is learning. Hamas needs violence to emphasise the oppression of the Palestinians – and relies on Israel to provide it. A few rockets into Israel and Israel obliges.

Not a whimper from Tony Blair, the peace envoy to the Middle East who's never been to Gaza in his current incarnation. Not a bloody word.

We hear the usual Israeli line. General Yaakov Amidror, the former head of the Israeli army's "research and assessment division" announced that "no country in the world would allow its citizens to be made the target of rocket attacks without taking vigorous steps to defend them". Quite so. But when the IRA were firing mortars over the border into Northern Ireland, when their guerrillas were crossing from the Republic to attack police stations and Protestants, did Britain unleash the RAF on the Irish Republic? Did the RAF bomb churches and tankers and police stations and zap 300 civilians to teach the Irish a lesson? No, it did not. Because the world would have seen it as criminal behaviour. We didn't want to lower ourselves to the IRA's level.

Yes, Israel deserves security. But these bloodbaths will not bring it. Not since 1948 have air raids protected Israel. Israel has bombed Lebanon thousands of times since 1975 and not one has eliminated "terrorism". So what was the reaction last night? The Israelis threaten ground attacks. Hamas waits for another battle. Our Western politicians crouch in their funk holes. And somewhere to the east -- in a cave? a basement? on a mountainside? -- a well-known man in a turban smiles.


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Gaza is a postmodern Warsaw.
Posted by: Dyolfknip on Dec 30, 2008 12:56 AM   
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In one of my contemporary history courses we once had a holocaust survivor speak to us about how one time a Jew who simply had taken enough rose up and killed a German guard. After he was killed the guards rounded up 20 or so prisoners and shot them all. Then proceeded to tell the rest of the prisoners that this is what happens when you fight back.

-Surround a people.
-Build a wall.
-control the flow of their means of survival.
-crush resistance to this oppression with your superior military; 10 to 1, 20 to 1 or (in the case currently with Israel) 100 to 1.
-Justify it as "defence".

It is difficult now with widespread media to just simply massacre the Palestinians so instead they must "manufacture consent" to attack Gaza. Make sure their people have no food or medical supplies, cut them off from the outside world and then utilize current popular rhetoric (war on terrorism) to demonize their population. Then when a few people fight back against these unbearable circumstances punish the entire society... and all with the support of the world's "leading" nations.

I am sad but I feel it needs to be said as well: I don't give a F*** about the religious aspect of this fight. Arab, Jew or Christian is the same brand of delusion to me... My criticism is of Israel not of Jews.

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» Lets face it Posted by: robbie.seal
» RE: well said Posted by: sonofloud
» To "Build a Wall" Posted by: AdamSelene40
"a well-known man in a turban smiles..."
Posted by: adp3d on Dec 30, 2008 1:39 AM   
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And I feel him smiling every time I'm at the airport when I'm taking off my belt...

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» That's Why I Don't Fly Posted by: NoPCZone
Fish in Sante Fe
Posted by: Fish on Dec 30, 2008 3:45 AM   
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It is difficult to imagine a more tragic situation, It would appear that this current action is being timed to fit the current inertia in the US leadership until the inauguration.
Obama has already made his position clear when he addressed AIPAC prior to the last election. (stuff the Palestinians).
So I suppose returning to the moral high ground has already disappeared from Obamas election promise.
I personally despair to the fact the we in the west have become so intellectually disabled that we are unable to recognise an unmitigated evil that exists in our midst, one in particular that we are able to do something about.
Cut of the funding, apply the appropriate sanctions as were applied to South Africa.
When a 5 year child starts school and behaves like a social evil he has 2 choices, either alter his behaviour and get on with his class mates or not. Generally when he does not he has protection from family or friends in higher grades. He then becomes the thug,evil and despised.
But at some point the rest of his class mates meet him on even ground and a thug and cowardly bully always tends to scream for mercy when matched.
The day shall come, grant the mercy but take steps to ensure the evil cannot return.

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» Timing Posted by: leafsong1
Sorrier than SAd
Posted by: godsbreath64 on Dec 30, 2008 5:05 AM   
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So Sad, open your mouth and climb in.

Shut it.

Good bye

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RE: SAd
Posted by: helenwheels on Dec 30, 2008 8:54 AM   
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So you are for genocide? How sociopathic of you.

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RE: Is this a joke?
Posted by: Duncable on Dec 30, 2008 9:31 AM   
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Yeah, cause there's no such thing as nuclear fallout or nuclear winter or anything...and Newton was just kidding when he said, "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction."

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RE: SAd but not true
Posted by: americansheep on Dec 30, 2008 1:22 PM   
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It would NOT solve the problem... you would still be an Ignore Remus.

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RE: SAd
Posted by: Tombo on Dec 30, 2008 3:55 PM   
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Hell, why stop there?!

The earth as a whole would be much better off without humanity!

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This is nothing but Cheneysex
Posted by: godsbreath64 on Dec 30, 2008 5:01 AM   
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I will not pretend to claim knowledge of this historical connundrum. This is as heiness as stupid. But the only reason for this carnage is to satiate the unsatiable in our vice Precedant.

P-I-O oh will you secure turmoil past our junta

S-O-N end nothing after me and minion are over

P-I-L-L !!!!!

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» RE: This is nothing but Cheneysex Posted by: helenwheels
F-18s?
Posted by: taxidriver on Dec 30, 2008 5:13 AM   
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A minor point: To my knowledge, the Israelis fly F-16s and F-15s, not F-18s, which are used by the U.S. Navy.

But mistakes like this raise questions about this reporter's attention to detail.

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» RE: F-18s? Posted by: BreeMass
» RE: F-18s? Posted by: 2thepoint
» RE: F-18s? Posted by: booshan
Ther's and there will never be something called Israel.
Posted by: Saif on Dec 30, 2008 6:13 AM   
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Thank you Mr fisk for your compassion towards the palestinian cause. Still, I want to remind you that the so-called state of Israel (the cancer of the middle east) was created by your government and supported by what is mistacable called the (democratic world) on the land of the arab palerstinian people. You said"Israel deserves peace" Which peace does an occupying gang deserves? These people deserve to be conducted to where they came from and to leave the people of palestine Moslims christians and jewish to live in peace under a national government. As long as there is a so-called state of Israel there won't be peace in the region of the middle east. The Arabs won't remain week and underdeveloped for ever. They will one day have their F-16 and F-18. The history of peoples is not counted in years and crimes and genocides will never be forgotten or left without punishment. I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THE REAL RAISON D4ETRE OF THE STATE of the so-called state of israel.

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» RE: Yes... Posted by: peridot
Caesar77
Posted by: Caesar77 on Dec 30, 2008 6:21 AM   
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Mr.Fisk, no the RAF did not bomb the Republic of Ireland over IRA action, not because it was the wrong thing to do, but because they feared a backlash from the rest of the world.
Th´Republic of Ireland had many draconian laws in their fight against the IRA, you comparison is misleading.
The reality of Northern Ireland where Protestant supremacy was build into the system of government and backed up with the threat of force, by the imperialist military force of the UK.
The British army were sent on to the streets in 1969 to prop up by force of arms, the rapidly disintegration Orange state.
The British government never acknowledged the fact that the British state were protagonists in the conflict and NOT innocent onlookers.

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» RE: Caesar77 Posted by: draco40
Hegel said:
Posted by: TJColatrella on Dec 30, 2008 7:12 AM   
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"The one thing history teaches, is that man learns nothing from history..!"

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The US arms both sides (all sides globally) either directly or indirectly.
Posted by: thekidde on Dec 30, 2008 7:57 AM   
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"We", the US, are complicit in ALL mayhem around the globe. Stop all arms sales to everyone, by everyone and dismantle the machines of war. Then if peoples agree to disagree, they may use sticks and stones to kill each other. Shame on the human race for what we've come to over greed, gods and an abiding hatred for ourselves.

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» Find your prophets and listen. Posted by: godsbreath64
A Bad Analogy
Posted by: BrianOfNairobi on Dec 30, 2008 8:01 AM   
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Fisk says:

But when the IRA were firing mortars over the border into Northern Ireland, when their guerrillas were crossing from the Republic to attack police stations and Protestants, did Britain unleash the RAF on the Irish Republic? Did the RAF bomb churches and tankers and police stations and zap 300 civilians to teach the Irish a lesson? No, it did not. Because the world would have seen it as criminal behaviour. We didn't want to lower ourselves to the IRA's level.


No, the UK did not officially attack the Irish Republic, but they went lower than the IRA when they deliberately set up and created right-wing Loyalist death squads to kill and intimidate the Catholic population in the north of Ireland. This British policy resulted in the deaths of 500 innocent people in the north alone. These British inspired (M15) Loyalist groups were also guilty of bombing bars in the south killing scores of innocents.

Mr Fisk, I do realise you have a blind spot where Ireland is conserned, but would you please select a more honest analogy in future.

Apart from that it is a good article.

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» RE: A Bad Analogy Posted by: bloggeddowninMKE
Spot On Article - Unfortunately
Posted by: Liberty G on Dec 30, 2008 8:05 AM   
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This article is probably the best I have read in assessing the truth of what is and has been going on re: Israel & the Middle East. As Martin Luther King said, "Hate begets hate; violence begets violence; toughness begets a greater toughness". (And, in this case, more suicide bombers & rockets & dead civilians)

I am reminded of a sign seen some years ago:
"Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results."

Appropriately, it was posted in a psychiatric hospital in Indiana. It could just as well be in Gaza, Israel - and many other sad places on our troubled earth.

When will we ever learn?

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Lets see......
Posted by: 2thepoint on Dec 30, 2008 8:15 AM   
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Hamas strikes Israel with rockets on a daily basis.. who is the antagonist?

Hamas knows what they are doing.. provoking a country into a ligit response and they know civilians will be hurt and killed..Actually they count on it - it's part of their PR plan to turn world opinion against Israel as if it already isnt.

So while Israel works to defend their population, it seems Hamas is content with putting their in a position to be killed..

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» RE: Lets see...... Posted by: using
» RE: Lets see...... Posted by: draco40
» RE: Lets see...... Posted by: orftc
» RE: Lets see...... Posted by: big_mad_def
MEDIA'S RESPONSIBILITY IN PRESENTING TRUTH
Posted by: using on Dec 30, 2008 10:10 AM   
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I would say that the reason that there is one dead in Isreal and 320 in Gaza has more to do with bomb shelters and the Isreals respect for their citizenry than it does about Israel's disproportiate response to the constant showering of missles, rockets and human bombs.
Instead of receiving life sustaining tools Palesinians are being incited to hate, fed weapons and strategies to kill and distroy. The strategy is to provoke retailation of the very people they have sworn to distroy. The war stage for reporters to witness Israel's retaliatiion is set in civilian territory. Reporters vision is stamped with the horror o f retalliation. The goal: they will write the articles that will cause world sympathy and free individual conscience to accept Hamas's sworn bottom line DISTRUCTION OF ISRAEL. EX. the NYTimes: 1 picture of a few Israeli's watching tv in a bomb shelters and 6 pictures of Palestinian civilians in harms way.....somewhere buried in the last 1/3 of the ar ticle is the awareness that Hamas builds its missle centers in civilian territory. WhY? So that newspapermen can spread the tale of abuse.

As for the leadership of countries that are so outraged that Israel doe snot find 15 or 20 missles a month acceptable and thought t hat a strong retalliation would help bring Palestinians to realize that co existance is the only answer, let them sending food, meds, courses in tolerance, understanding that the basis for ending the pain and killing on both sides is CO - EXISTANCE and the real enemy of everyday Palestinians is the misbelief that distroying Israel will enhance their lives..

So, l ets open u p a discussiion: what are Israel's options here. To allow the continuous reign of terror caused by Palestinian missles, rockets or human bombs. Is that a reasonable? is that just? What will be the lessons learnt from this end? Terrorists freely enforcing their will on countries? Or should Isreal try and force sustainable peace negotiations with retalliataion. In any court of law this would be considered self defense. And that retaliation REALLY makes the ARab leaders angry. WEll, war and hate even in self defense is an ugly business and there is much blame and criticism to go around....but the bottom line is.....HAMAS CLEARLY STATED PLANS TO DISTROY ISRAEl is simply NOT an acceptable basis for sustainable negotiations.

And the real anger should be directed at the glaring lack of respect for the life of its own populace specifically and human life in general by the Hamas brand of leadership by placing the war centers amongst the civilian population, not building bomb shelters for its people. With these actions Hamas and those that support terrorists have set the stage for the sight of journalists. THey, stamped with the mark of horror of a battle present Hama's instigated retalliations as the act of the war mongreling aggressor abusing the victims they planted for public sympathy. The goal: the planned strategy is to incite world anger against the self defender and make it possible for outsiders to accept t he distruction of Israel..

To put an end to this madness, the world must look carefully at the bottom line for peace. IN simple terms, accepting Israel's RIGHT TO EXIST WITHOUT FEAR OF DISTRUCTION OR SHOWERS OF HATRED is the bottom line to negotiating a sustainable peace treaty. To accomplish this, Hamas, Palestinians and all supporting Arab leadership must be willing to accept ISRAEL'S RIGHT TO EXIST. Only then can Israel, who has in all of these wars been, not the aggressors but the defenders of their sacred human right to life, can participate in a sustainable negotiation.

And that is plain common sense. However, in article after Middle East article, Alternet's progressive views of human rights, justice and desire to end wars, have been displaced by articles that confuses the underlying basic truth.

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» Really Posted by: peskyfly1
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» RE: Way to double post! Posted by: using
short, to the point....
Posted by: using on Dec 30, 2008 11:07 AM   
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and well said! THank you ... it feels like an up hill battle. Hate is so easy to activate and confusion based on a piece of truth taken out of context is so easy for most to people to intergrat into their single digit thinking.

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» RE: short, to the point.... Posted by: zenbruder
Media responsibillity question
Posted by: using on Dec 30, 2008 11:16 AM   
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THe "Media Responsibility" response above was marked with a 1. I would like to ask the person who marked it:
1 "do you agree with Hamas, distroying Israel is the answer"
2. what do you think the basic premise of negotation should be?
3, is your goal peace?
4, do you believe that distroying Israel instead of learning how to gain a better life in a world on the edge of mass distruction...is the best solution for the Palestinians?

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Remember Rachel Corrie
Posted by: ZPaul on Dec 30, 2008 12:28 PM   
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I would ask everybody who reads this: Remember Rachel Corrie. And it's not simply to pay tribute to her. Go listen to the videos made by and about her on Youtube. Of course this not black-and white. It is not right for Hamas to be killing people. But one thing is clear: The underdog in all this is the Palestinian people. They do NOT deserve this. This is systematic destruction of a people, a handful of puny Hamas rockets is nothing in comparison to what the U.S.-armed Israel has - they are armed to the teeth with the most sophisticated weaponry on the face of the earth, and we all know that full well. Go and listen to her first-hand accounts.

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» RE: emember Rachel Corrie Posted by: EncinoM
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» RE: emember Rachel Corrie Posted by: zenbruder
Israel's largest Global export
Posted by: weathered on Dec 30, 2008 12:36 PM   
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Trouble and a inexhaustable supply of deceit - all very carefully packaged and presented w/the phony and fraudulent energy of a hollywood production.

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Israel has a right to defend itself?
Posted by: leafsong1 on Dec 30, 2008 12:49 PM   
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What does that have to do with the attack on Gaza? Remember, when the nazis invaded Poland, they claimed that they did it in self defense. When the Japanese Empire attacked Pearl Harbor, they claimed that they did it in self defense. When the US invaded Iraq, we claimed that we did it in self defense. Nobody should be persuaded by this international equivalent of the "Some Other Dude Did It" defense. Israel was the first to violate the cease fire, attacking Gaza's supply of food. Israel is the original aggressor, invading Palestine without legitimate justification in 1967. They claimed that was self defense, too, even though no arab soldier crossed their borders and they wiped out arab air forces by surprise attack. But still, when Palestinians pathetically lob home made rockets over the border at their criminal captors it is called "terror", and when the Israelis unleash bombers and artillery on their hapless Palestinian victims, it is called "shock and awe," as if "shock and awe" were somehow different and far more righteous than "terror." Every nation has a right to defend itself PROPORTIONALLY, and only if that defense is not against resistance to that nation's criminal violations of international law. When a burglar gets shot by a homeowner in the act of burglarizing that homeowner's home, that is self defense. When the burglar shoots the homeowner, that is murder. No, Israel does not come remotely close to having a right to what they term "self defense."

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Human stupidity...
Posted by: Pirate1 on Dec 30, 2008 2:52 PM   
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Nowhere does the glare shine brighter than the wars in the middle east.

So am I to believe that just being a member of the Hamas Party makes you a terrorist? Whether or not you personally approve of or participate in violent acts against that other country just over the border who forbids all commerce just because yours is currently the ruling party? Legitimately elected no less? What if being a Democrat or a Republican was considered by that other country to be all that was needed to be labelled a terrorist? And then one day that other country begins targeting all Dems or Reps with air and drone strikes because a few fed up people, who also happen to be members of your party began firing crude, highly inaccurate, homemade rockets into that other country out of frustration and demand for dignity? You'd be getting blown to bits by air strikes you have no defense against while a world looks on saying this is all part of a war on terror. How would you feel? Would you feel you deserved it? Would you be more likely to just accept the punnishment of embargo without complaint? I think you'd be biding your time while you sought the weapons needed to throw off these oppressors and doing everything you could to resist in the meantime. Americans did as much with the british... sought arms and aid from France to throw off British rule. So it will go with Palestine. When I was born, that was what that country was called. It was declared Israel by decree when I was like 4 years old, whether the people who had been living there for thousands of years liked it or not... kind of like what we did the the native populations of this land we hail from and provide armament advantage to nation states like Israel.

Climate change can't come on fast enough for me... it's the only thing that will cripple the arms making capacity of this country and the whole house of cards it supports will fall into ruin. We'll all be knocked back to small agrarian populations, our numbers cut by a factor of ten.

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» RE: Human stupidity... Posted by: Von
» RE: Human stupidity... Posted by: big_mad_def
1948?
Posted by: big_mad_def on Dec 30, 2008 11:44 PM   
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more like:

"In 1882, Baron Rothschild, combining philanthropy and investment, began to bring Jewish settlers from Eastern Europe to build a plantation system along the model the French used in Algeria. They spoke Yiddish, Arabic, Persian, and Georgian. Significantly, Hebrew was not among the languages spoken. The outcome of Rothschild’s experiment was predictable: Jews managed the land, while Arabs worked it. This was not the result the Zionists had in mind; a Jewish society could not be based on Arab labor. Consequently, they began to encourage the immigration of Jewish farmers and workers."

thats when it began.
then the infamous buffoon lord balfour came out with his bullshit idea and:

"In 1917 British Foreign Minister Lord Balfour, seeking support for Britain’s efforts in World War I, issued his famous declaration expressing sympathy with efforts to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. The Zionists immediately seized upon this statement, which they interpreted to mean support for a Jewish state. At the time of Balfour’s declaration, Jews comprised less than 10% of the population and owned 2.5% of the land of Palestine."

from a lecture by prof. n.ignatiev
all easily checkable facts.
the manipulation and deceit perpetrated by certain governments is / has been mind blowing.

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Failed state
Posted by: Steve Phillips on Dec 31, 2008 12:44 AM   
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Israel has not been able to make peace with its neighbours since 1948. They have been guilty of many inhumane war crimes. In my opinion they should considered a failed state.

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Don't forget: It's about land, not religion
Posted by: MarshallB in Seattle on Dec 31, 2008 1:37 AM   
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The decades old violence 'tween the Palestinians and Israelis is deplorable on many levels. (Not the least of which is it gave birth to the distrust and even hatred of "the West" by many in the Islamic world.) However, sight should not be lost that it not a Jew vs. Islam issue; all the Palestinians really want is (some of) their land back as a self determined homeland that WWII's victors (illegally?) gave as compensation for the Holocaust. I do not know if it's still there, but in 1978 I saw the oldest Synogogue in continuous use in the heart of Old Cairo. A few weeks later, a bartender at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem commented, "The biggest irony of the 20th C. is the Germans have become the best business people and the Jews are the best soldiers." Maybe Western and Islamic business people can figure out a way for all sides -- Israel, Al Fatah and Hamas -- to feel good about co-equally living in their land. Governments on all sides certainly have failed for too long now.

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AS THOUGH BRITS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. RIGHT !!
Posted by: Gran'pah on Jan 7, 2009 1:16 PM   
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Don't expect the WHOLE truth out of the pen of this Brit.

In 1946 after the Brits reneged on an old World War I agreement with the Jews (the ones who the Europeans had failed to completely rob and murder before 1945), the Jews formed terrorist bands called the Irgun to drive the Brits out of Palestine. Tired from WWII, the Brits finally fled from Palestine but not before scaring the hell out of the Arabs with stories of how the Jews will murder them for land. Then arming the Arabs (aka Palestinians) to the teeth -- and hauling what ever infrastructure they could out of Palestine -- the Brits went home, telling the Jews, "O.K. wiseguys, let's see you make a state out of THIS."

Probably, like they did with America in 1812, the Brits figured the fledgling Jewish state would collapse, letting them take back this part of their empire. Wrong! But the last several decades had been set in motion by the Brits in 1946 -- and now they're pontificating from the safety of their island about the bad Jews killing the hysterical Arabs -- while the Brits don't take responsibility, as usual, for anything.

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Arde you peoiple all brain dead
Posted by: disparity on Jan 10, 2009 4:29 AM   
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From day 1, the whole Arab world decided to destroy Israel. On day 2, the Israelis told them to screw themselves and fought back. At first, it was with nothing more than proverbial sling shots and now with modern weapons--all of this while the whole damned Arab world simply played the game of hatred and destruction of Israel.

Instead , had they taken care of those for whom they have ignored for more than 60 years and used as cannon fodder to get the israelis off their desert land, peace may have reigned with this region becoming the most productive region in the world.

Instead the crazies have either destroyed or fed those that would destroy. Get off your damned soap boxes and stop blaming Israel which for 60 years has not only been protecting itself against all aggressive forces but has built huge industries which are thriving and giving the world new products each and every day.

This is what you genetically damaged people want to turn back to a desert?

Get real and recognize what would happen if you try peace instead of rockets and suicide bombers. Don't blame Israel for trying to protect itself--blame those who are trying to destroy it.

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