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Who Are the Taliban? The Afghan War Deciphered

Almost every suicide attack and kidnapping is attributed to "the Taliban." In reality, however, the insurgency is far from monolithic.
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Just when the Obama presidency-to-be was revving up to introduce its new national security "team" and reformulate U.S. policy in Afghanistan and the Pakistani border regions, the Afghan War ratcheted up a notch -- and not because there was another missile strike from an American drone aircraft in the Pakistani tribal borderlands, or because yet more civilians died in U.S. military operations, or even because attacks by "the Taliban" rose yet again to new heights.

No, that ratcheting up occurred in Mumbai, India, where the planners of the murderous rampage by a crew of Kashmiri militants decided that stirring up a good old face-off between the two edgy nuclear powers of the subcontinent would be advantageous. A precision operation that managed to slaughter just about anyone in sight (including Indian Muslims) now threatens to change the nature of the Afghan War, heat up the conflict in Kashmir, and embroil the region in an even wider catastrophe, ending a period of easing tensions between India and Pakistan. Already Pakistan is threatening to transfer up to 100,000 troops from the borderlands with Afghanistan to the Indian border.

As Paul Woodward of the War in Context website wrote, "[W]hat we witnessed was a major move on President-elect Obama's chessboard of foreign policy even before he'd had a chance to lay a finger on any of the pieces." Tony Karon caught the essence of the larger political moment this way: "Provoking India would not only realign the interests of the Pakistani military and the Islamists, it would threaten U.S. efforts to reorient the Pakistani military towards domestic counterinsurgency, and to broker a deeper rapprochement with India -- a development U.S. analysts believe is key to resolving the conflict in Afghanistan."

In other words, the already expanding war in Afghanistan -- American supply routes through the Khyber Pass, for instance, have recently been endangered -- just expanded a little (or possibly a lot) more. It's a sobering reminder of a world that may be beyond the control of any national security team. And even as this occurs, what we here know about "the other side" in Afghanistan, generally known as "the Taliban," is modest indeed. Fortunately, Anand Gopal, a correspondent for the Christian Science Monitor, offers his second vividly reported post for TomDispatch, an on-the-ground look at who the Taliban -- "a slippery movement that morphs from district to district" -- really are. This timely piece represents a joint project of TomDispatch.com and the Nation Magazine, where a shorter version appears in print. Tom

Who Are the Taliban? The Afghan War Deciphered

By Anand Gopal

[This piece is a joint project of TomDispatch.com and the Nation Magazine, where a shorter version appears in print.]

If there is an exact location marking the West's failures in Afghanistan, it is the modest police checkpoint that sits on the main highway 20 minutes south of Kabul. The post signals the edge of the capital, a city of spectacular tension, blast walls, and standstill traffic. Beyond this point, Kabul's gritty, low-slung buildings and narrow streets give way to a vast plain of serene farmland hemmed in by sandy mountains. In this valley in Logar province, the American-backed government of Afghanistan no longer exists.

Instead of government officials, men in muddied black turbans with assault rifles slung over their shoulders patrol the highway, checking for thieves and "spies." The charred carcass of a tanker, meant to deliver fuel to international forces further south, sits belly up on the roadside.


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tired of these fools
Posted by: jstepp590 on Dec 10, 2008 7:33 AM   
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It seems like there is just a whole ton of support for the Taliban-like elements there, that they seem to have the general support of the people. So, how about this scenario.

Let's cut off funding for the Pakistani government so that it fails and the radicals take over. Once that happens, India and the US jointly move our troops to the borders with the country, which will face them with a two front war. Of course, move our anti missile systems close so they cannot use their nukes. The we both threaten to declare war on them, from countries that are each far tougher, bigger and more pissed off than they will ever be. From that point we will be the ones functioning from a position of strength.

I can tell you how that would end, quickly. There would either be a lot of dead Pakistani radicals and terrorists or they would have no choice but to put and end to this crap. There would not be another problem from them in India or Afghanistan because all the jerks would be dead once we got permission, or took that permission from them, to go in after these problems. If their ISI and military think they are so tough then please, step right up and watch what happens. They won't be a problem any more either, especially once we hang their leadership for supporting terrorist activities.

There is a time to be nice and a time to get in someones face and kick them in the balls because they don't seem to understand anything else.

I know, bad James, no liberal badge for you today.

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Speaking of the Taliban and Pakistan, looks like Pakistan refuses again to hand over the terrorists
Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 10, 2008 7:42 AM   
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to India to be held accountable. Can you imagine the US being refused? Oh wait, I forgot. Pakistan is that "ally" in the phoney "war on terror" !

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As a regular visitor to Afghanistan
Posted by: profmarcus on Dec 10, 2008 9:23 AM   
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I can attest to the complexities described in the article. And, yes, a paramount concern of Afghans is personal security. However, a key element that the author misses completely is the appalling lack of infrastructure and the total distortion of the economy perpetrated by the foreign presence.

There may be a decent highway from Kabul through Kandahar to Herat and another from Kabul to Jalalabad and Mazar al-Sharif, but, overall, both the intra-city and inter-city road system is truly awful. Herat receives 24 hours of electricity a day compared to an average of 2-4 hours a week for most of Kabul but that's only thanks to the Iranians. Water and sewer service is spotty to nonexistent. Health care is a joke. Decent housing is strictly the province of the corrupt, wealthy elites. Government jobs are for sale to the highest bidder (see Blagojevich, Rod) and multiple palms have to be greased for even the most minor transactions. Food is expensive and inflation is out of control.

Most Afghans I know, like most of the rest of us, only want to be able to feed and clothe their families, have a decent roof over their heads, someone halfway competent to go to when they're sick, not to have to step in raw sewage in the streets, and not to risk themselves or their children being kidnapped and held for ransom or murdered when they step out of the house.

After 7 years, my country has done nothing but line the pockets of U.S. contractors and the Afghan exiles who returned to claim their spots in the puppet government. Can you blame the average Afghan for looking back somewhat nostalgically to the relatively secure days of the Taliban regime? I can't.

And, Yes, I DO take it personally

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876
Posted by: 876 on Dec 10, 2008 9:57 AM   
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It is the practice of Pakistan to distinguish Pashtun from others in Afghanistan. This is part of a divide and conquer strategy that Punjabis and their sponsors whether it be Saudis or Americans use to control Afghan society. To refer to any movement in Afghanistan as a Pashtun movement is absurd. Of course it would be a Pashtun movement. Most Afghans are Pashtuns aka ethnic Afghans hence the name Afghanistan. Now authors such as this work hard to perpetuate this false impression of Afghan society on behalf of imperialist agendas. Most minorities especially Tajiks are very much integrated with the majority of Afghans. Afghans intermarry and live in mixed communities all over Afghanistan. Most Afghans identify with their region of origin not their ethnic group. This is not an irrelevant t matter it is a tool used by Punjabis to create ethnic tensions within Afghanistan.
Pakistan is a source of turmoil for this entire region. It must be dismantled and divided with Afghan territories returned to Afghanistan.

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Insurgence
Posted by: Archie1954 on Dec 10, 2008 10:16 AM   
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Afghanistan is a basket case and both the US and the old USSR are responsible. If we just left the Afghanis alone they would come to some rapprochement amongst themselves. Having supplied all sides of the insurgency with arms the US is now experiencing the law of unintended consequences. Those arms have now been turned on the US and NATO forces. It is obvious to me and history proves that there will be no "victory" in Afghanistan. There never has been before and there is no reason to believe that it will happen now. The lives of our own troops are being wasted in a horrible never ending blood letting for no good reason. None! The Taliban, the warlords, the extremist Muslin factions, the Karzai puppet regime are all anxious to get rid of the "foreigners" and the sooner the better so why don't we leave? How many more civilians and military personnel have to die before someone with enough brains in their head to understand the futility of it all says "no more"?

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Where empires go to die
Posted by: Canute on Dec 10, 2008 5:43 PM   
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A former Afghan mujihadeen I spoke with said "Afghanistan is where empires go to die." He also filled me in on how various factions of the Taliban played us to settle internal scores. Our hits on Mullah Usmani and Mullah Dadullah were the result.


Various empires have invaded and retreated from Afghanistan for centuries. The Afghans alternate between feuds, civil war, and insurgency. They have expelled emperors and kings. The best we can do for them, and ourselves, is get the hell out and do our best diplomatically to keep others out.

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don't believe what I said?
Posted by: jstepp590 on Dec 12, 2008 7:14 AM   
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Here is another article that supports my stance, even if it isn't as forceful as what I said. If we do not make the Pakistani government rein in these groups and the actions supported and abetted by their own security apparatus we will see many more deaths, in India, Afghanistan and possibly in Europe and the US as well.

Sorry if it's not nice. I know how much people value "niceness" over reality sometimes.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1212/p09s01-coop.html

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tired of these fools
Posted by: jstepp590 on Dec 10, 2008 7:33 AM   
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It seems like there is just a whole ton of support for the Taliban-like elements there, that they seem to have the general support of the people. So, how about this scenario.

Let's cut off funding for the Pakistani government so that it fails and the radicals take over. Once that happens, India and the US jointly move our troops to the borders with the country, which will face them with a two front war. Of course, move our anti missile systems close so they cannot use their nukes. The we both threaten to declare war on them, from countries that are each far tougher, bigger and more pissed off than they will ever be. From that point we will be the ones functioning from a position of strength.

I can tell you how that would end, quickly. There would either be a lot of dead Pakistani radicals and terrorists or they would have no choice but to put and end to this crap. There would not be another problem from them in India or Afghanistan because all the jerks would be dead once we got permission, or took that permission from them, to go in after these problems. If their ISI and military think they are so tough then please, step right up and watch what happens. They won't be a problem any more either, especially once we hang their leadership for supporting terrorist activities.

There is a time to be nice and a time to get in someones face and kick them in the balls because they don't seem to understand anything else.

I know, bad James, no liberal badge for you today.

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Speaking of the Taliban and Pakistan, looks like Pakistan refuses again to hand over the terrorists
Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 10, 2008 7:42 AM   
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to India to be held accountable. Can you imagine the US being refused? Oh wait, I forgot. Pakistan is that "ally" in the phoney "war on terror" !

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As a regular visitor to Afghanistan
Posted by: profmarcus on Dec 10, 2008 9:23 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I can attest to the complexities described in the article. And, yes, a paramount concern of Afghans is personal security. However, a key element that the author misses completely is the appalling lack of infrastructure and the total distortion of the economy perpetrated by the foreign presence.

There may be a decent highway from Kabul through Kandahar to Herat and another from Kabul to Jalalabad and Mazar al-Sharif, but, overall, both the intra-city and inter-city road system is truly awful. Herat receives 24 hours of electricity a day compared to an average of 2-4 hours a week for most of Kabul but that's only thanks to the Iranians. Water and sewer service is spotty to nonexistent. Health care is a joke. Decent housing is strictly the province of the corrupt, wealthy elites. Government jobs are for sale to the highest bidder (see Blagojevich, Rod) and multiple palms have to be greased for even the most minor transactions. Food is expensive and inflation is out of control.

Most Afghans I know, like most of the rest of us, only want to be able to feed and clothe their families, have a decent roof over their heads, someone halfway competent to go to when they're sick, not to have to step in raw sewage in the streets, and not to risk themselves or their children being kidnapped and held for ransom or murdered when they step out of the house.

After 7 years, my country has done nothing but line the pockets of U.S. contractors and the Afghan exiles who returned to claim their spots in the puppet government. Can you blame the average Afghan for looking back somewhat nostalgically to the relatively secure days of the Taliban regime? I can't.

And, Yes, I DO take it personally

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876
Posted by: 876 on Dec 10, 2008 9:57 AM   
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It is the practice of Pakistan to distinguish Pashtun from others in Afghanistan. This is part of a divide and conquer strategy that Punjabis and their sponsors whether it be Saudis or Americans use to control Afghan society. To refer to any movement in Afghanistan as a Pashtun movement is absurd. Of course it would be a Pashtun movement. Most Afghans are Pashtuns aka ethnic Afghans hence the name Afghanistan. Now authors such as this work hard to perpetuate this false impression of Afghan society on behalf of imperialist agendas. Most minorities especially Tajiks are very much integrated with the majority of Afghans. Afghans intermarry and live in mixed communities all over Afghanistan. Most Afghans identify with their region of origin not their ethnic group. This is not an irrelevant t matter it is a tool used by Punjabis to create ethnic tensions within Afghanistan.
Pakistan is a source of turmoil for this entire region. It must be dismantled and divided with Afghan territories returned to Afghanistan.

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Insurgence
Posted by: Archie1954 on Dec 10, 2008 10:16 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Afghanistan is a basket case and both the US and the old USSR are responsible. If we just left the Afghanis alone they would come to some rapprochement amongst themselves. Having supplied all sides of the insurgency with arms the US is now experiencing the law of unintended consequences. Those arms have now been turned on the US and NATO forces. It is obvious to me and history proves that there will be no "victory" in Afghanistan. There never has been before and there is no reason to believe that it will happen now. The lives of our own troops are being wasted in a horrible never ending blood letting for no good reason. None! The Taliban, the warlords, the extremist Muslin factions, the Karzai puppet regime are all anxious to get rid of the "foreigners" and the sooner the better so why don't we leave? How many more civilians and military personnel have to die before someone with enough brains in their head to understand the futility of it all says "no more"?

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Where empires go to die
Posted by: Canute on Dec 10, 2008 5:43 PM   
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A former Afghan mujihadeen I spoke with said "Afghanistan is where empires go to die." He also filled me in on how various factions of the Taliban played us to settle internal scores. Our hits on Mullah Usmani and Mullah Dadullah were the result.


Various empires have invaded and retreated from Afghanistan for centuries. The Afghans alternate between feuds, civil war, and insurgency. They have expelled emperors and kings. The best we can do for them, and ourselves, is get the hell out and do our best diplomatically to keep others out.

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don't believe what I said?
Posted by: jstepp590 on Dec 12, 2008 7:14 AM   
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Here is another article that supports my stance, even if it isn't as forceful as what I said. If we do not make the Pakistani government rein in these groups and the actions supported and abetted by their own security apparatus we will see many more deaths, in India, Afghanistan and possibly in Europe and the US as well.

Sorry if it's not nice. I know how much people value "niceness" over reality sometimes.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1212/p09s01-coop.html

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