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Who Are the Taliban? The Afghan War Deciphered
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Just when the Obama presidency-to-be was revving up to introduce its new national security "team" and reformulate U.S. policy in Afghanistan and the Pakistani border regions, the Afghan War ratcheted up a notch -- and not because there was another missile strike from an American drone aircraft in the Pakistani tribal borderlands, or because yet more civilians died in U.S. military operations, or even because attacks by "the Taliban" rose yet again to new heights.
No, that ratcheting up occurred in Mumbai, India, where the planners of the murderous rampage by a crew of Kashmiri militants decided that stirring up a good old face-off between the two edgy nuclear powers of the subcontinent would be advantageous. A precision operation that managed to slaughter just about anyone in sight (including Indian Muslims) now threatens to change the nature of the Afghan War, heat up the conflict in Kashmir, and embroil the region in an even wider catastrophe, ending a period of easing tensions between India and Pakistan. Already Pakistan is threatening to transfer up to 100,000 troops from the borderlands with Afghanistan to the Indian border.
As Paul Woodward of the War in Context website wrote, "[W]hat we witnessed was a major move on President-elect Obama's chessboard of foreign policy even before he'd had a chance to lay a finger on any of the pieces." Tony Karon caught the essence of the larger political moment this way: "Provoking India would not only realign the interests of the Pakistani military and the Islamists, it would threaten U.S. efforts to reorient the Pakistani military towards domestic counterinsurgency, and to broker a deeper rapprochement with India -- a development U.S. analysts believe is key to resolving the conflict in Afghanistan."
In other words, the already expanding war in Afghanistan -- American supply routes through the Khyber Pass, for instance, have recently been endangered -- just expanded a little (or possibly a lot) more. It's a sobering reminder of a world that may be beyond the control of any national security team. And even as this occurs, what we here know about "the other side" in Afghanistan, generally known as "the Taliban," is modest indeed. Fortunately, Anand Gopal, a correspondent for the Christian Science Monitor, offers his second vividly reported post for TomDispatch, an on-the-ground look at who the Taliban -- "a slippery movement that morphs from district to district" -- really are. This timely piece represents a joint project of TomDispatch.com and the Nation Magazine, where a shorter version appears in print. Tom
Who Are the Taliban? The Afghan War Deciphered
By Anand Gopal
[This piece is a joint project of TomDispatch.com and the Nation Magazine, where a shorter version appears in print.]
If there is an exact location marking the West's failures in Afghanistan, it is the modest police checkpoint that sits on the main highway 20 minutes south of Kabul. The post signals the edge of the capital, a city of spectacular tension, blast walls, and standstill traffic. Beyond this point, Kabul's gritty, low-slung buildings and narrow streets give way to a vast plain of serene farmland hemmed in by sandy mountains. In this valley in Logar province, the American-backed government of Afghanistan no longer exists.
Instead of government officials, men in muddied black turbans with assault rifles slung over their shoulders patrol the highway, checking for thieves and "spies." The charred carcass of a tanker, meant to deliver fuel to international forces further south, sits belly up on the roadside.
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Posted by: jstepp590 on Dec 10, 2008 7:33 AM
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Let's cut off funding for the Pakistani government so that it fails and the radicals take over. Once that happens, India and the US jointly move our troops to the borders with the country, which will face them with a two front war. Of course, move our anti missile systems close so they cannot use their nukes. The we both threaten to declare war on them, from countries that are each far tougher, bigger and more pissed off than they will ever be. From that point we will be the ones functioning from a position of strength.
I can tell you how that would end, quickly. There would either be a lot of dead Pakistani radicals and terrorists or they would have no choice but to put and end to this crap. There would not be another problem from them in India or Afghanistan because all the jerks would be dead once we got permission, or took that permission from them, to go in after these problems. If their ISI and military think they are so tough then please, step right up and watch what happens. They won't be a problem any more either, especially once we hang their leadership for supporting terrorist activities.
There is a time to be nice and a time to get in someones face and kick them in the balls because they don't seem to understand anything else.
I know, bad James, no liberal badge for you today.
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» bitterness no solution
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» As for Mumbai, start with Hemant Karkare and his team's assassination
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» RE: tired of these fools
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» 9/11 was NOT blowback, Mr. Noll, do some research into the event
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» Silly and false assertions
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Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 10, 2008 7:42 AM
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» Attacks in some context
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» If you want a solution
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» I want to see them locked up, not hanged, for their crimes against humanity
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Posted by: profmarcus on Dec 10, 2008 9:23 AM
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There may be a decent highway from Kabul through Kandahar to Herat and another from Kabul to Jalalabad and Mazar al-Sharif, but, overall, both the intra-city and inter-city road system is truly awful. Herat receives 24 hours of electricity a day compared to an average of 2-4 hours a week for most of Kabul but that's only thanks to the Iranians. Water and sewer service is spotty to nonexistent. Health care is a joke. Decent housing is strictly the province of the corrupt, wealthy elites. Government jobs are for sale to the highest bidder (see Blagojevich, Rod) and multiple palms have to be greased for even the most minor transactions. Food is expensive and inflation is out of control.
Most Afghans I know, like most of the rest of us, only want to be able to feed and clothe their families, have a decent roof over their heads, someone halfway competent to go to when they're sick, not to have to step in raw sewage in the streets, and not to risk themselves or their children being kidnapped and held for ransom or murdered when they step out of the house.
After 7 years, my country has done nothing but line the pockets of U.S. contractors and the Afghan exiles who returned to claim their spots in the puppet government. Can you blame the average Afghan for looking back somewhat nostalgically to the relatively secure days of the Taliban regime? I can't.
And, Yes, I DO take it personally
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» RE: As a regular visitor to Afghanistan
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» Most attacks on USans in Iraq were by Iraqi Nationalist counter-terrorists,
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Posted by: 876 on Dec 10, 2008 9:57 AM
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Pakistan is a source of turmoil for this entire region. It must be dismantled and divided with Afghan territories returned to Afghanistan.
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» Pakistani Punjab is a feudel society
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» Reread my comment
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» RE: eread my comment
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» Yet you refer to them as "Punjabis" without qualification
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Posted by: Archie1954 on Dec 10, 2008 10:16 AM
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» Attackers from Pakistan, not Afghanistan
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Posted by: Canute on Dec 10, 2008 5:43 PM
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Various empires have invaded and retreated from Afghanistan for centuries. The Afghans alternate between feuds, civil war, and insurgency. They have expelled emperors and kings. The best we can do for them, and ourselves, is get the hell out and do our best diplomatically to keep others out.
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» This is silly
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Posted by: jstepp590 on Dec 12, 2008 7:14 AM
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Sorry if it's not nice. I know how much people value "niceness" over reality sometimes.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1212/p09s01-coop.html
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Posted by: jstepp590 on Dec 10, 2008 7:33 AM
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Let's cut off funding for the Pakistani government so that it fails and the radicals take over. Once that happens, India and the US jointly move our troops to the borders with the country, which will face them with a two front war. Of course, move our anti missile systems close so they cannot use their nukes. The we both threaten to declare war on them, from countries that are each far tougher, bigger and more pissed off than they will ever be. From that point we will be the ones functioning from a position of strength.
I can tell you how that would end, quickly. There would either be a lot of dead Pakistani radicals and terrorists or they would have no choice but to put and end to this crap. There would not be another problem from them in India or Afghanistan because all the jerks would be dead once we got permission, or took that permission from them, to go in after these problems. If their ISI and military think they are so tough then please, step right up and watch what happens. They won't be a problem any more either, especially once we hang their leadership for supporting terrorist activities.
There is a time to be nice and a time to get in someones face and kick them in the balls because they don't seem to understand anything else.
I know, bad James, no liberal badge for you today.
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» But would it work? Alternatives
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» RE: SU
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» bitterness no solution
Posted by: bingahaba
» RE: SU
Posted by: jstepp590
» RE: SU
Posted by: 876
» As for Mumbai, start with Hemant Karkare and his team's assassination
Posted by: LeftWright
» RE: tired of these fools
Posted by: robert.noll
» 9/11 was NOT blowback, Mr. Noll, do some research into the event
Posted by: LeftWright
» Silly and false assertions
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Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 10, 2008 7:42 AM
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» Attacks in some context
Posted by: bingahaba
» RE: Attacks in some context
Posted by: jstepp590
» If you want a solution
Posted by: bingahaba
» I want to see them locked up, not hanged, for their crimes against humanity
Posted by: LeftWright
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Posted by: profmarcus on Dec 10, 2008 9:23 AM
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There may be a decent highway from Kabul through Kandahar to Herat and another from Kabul to Jalalabad and Mazar al-Sharif, but, overall, both the intra-city and inter-city road system is truly awful. Herat receives 24 hours of electricity a day compared to an average of 2-4 hours a week for most of Kabul but that's only thanks to the Iranians. Water and sewer service is spotty to nonexistent. Health care is a joke. Decent housing is strictly the province of the corrupt, wealthy elites. Government jobs are for sale to the highest bidder (see Blagojevich, Rod) and multiple palms have to be greased for even the most minor transactions. Food is expensive and inflation is out of control.
Most Afghans I know, like most of the rest of us, only want to be able to feed and clothe their families, have a decent roof over their heads, someone halfway competent to go to when they're sick, not to have to step in raw sewage in the streets, and not to risk themselves or their children being kidnapped and held for ransom or murdered when they step out of the house.
After 7 years, my country has done nothing but line the pockets of U.S. contractors and the Afghan exiles who returned to claim their spots in the puppet government. Can you blame the average Afghan for looking back somewhat nostalgically to the relatively secure days of the Taliban regime? I can't.
And, Yes, I DO take it personally
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» RE: As a regular visitor to Afghanistan
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» Most attacks on USans in Iraq were by Iraqi Nationalist counter-terrorists,
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Posted by: 876 on Dec 10, 2008 9:57 AM
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Pakistan is a source of turmoil for this entire region. It must be dismantled and divided with Afghan territories returned to Afghanistan.
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» Pakistani Punjab is a feudel society
Posted by: bingahaba
» RE: Pakistani Punjab is a feudel society
Posted by: 876
» Reread my comment
Posted by: bingahaba
» RE: eread my comment
Posted by: 876
» Yet you refer to them as "Punjabis" without qualification
Posted by: bingahaba
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Posted by: Archie1954 on Dec 10, 2008 10:16 AM
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» RE: Insurgence
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» Attackers from Pakistan, not Afghanistan
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Posted by: Canute on Dec 10, 2008 5:43 PM
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Various empires have invaded and retreated from Afghanistan for centuries. The Afghans alternate between feuds, civil war, and insurgency. They have expelled emperors and kings. The best we can do for them, and ourselves, is get the hell out and do our best diplomatically to keep others out.
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» I agree with your solution completely
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» This is silly
Posted by: bingahaba
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Posted by: jstepp590 on Dec 12, 2008 7:14 AM
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Sorry if it's not nice. I know how much people value "niceness" over reality sometimes.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1212/p09s01-coop.html
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» Not a question of nice; question of empiricism
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