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Are Key Obama Advisors in Tune with Neocon Hawks Who Want to Attack Iran?
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A familiar coalition of hawks, hardliners, and neoconservatives expects Barack Obama's proposed talks with Iran to fail -- and they're already proposing an escalating set of measures instead. Some are meant to occur alongside any future talks. These include steps to enhance coordination with Israel, tougher sanctions against Iran, and a region-wide military buildup of U.S. strike forces, including the prepositioning of military supplies within striking distance of that country.
Once the future negotiations break down, as they are convinced will happen, they propose that Washington quickly escalate to war-like measures, including a U.S. Navy-enforced embargo on Iranian fuel imports and a blockade of that country's oil exports. Finally, of course, comes the strategic military attack against the Islamic Republic of Iran that so many of them have wanted for so long.
It's tempting to dismiss the hawks now as twice-removed from power: first, figures like John Bolton, Paul Wolfowitz, and Douglas Feith were purged from top posts in the Bush administration after 2004; then the election of Barack Obama and the announcement Monday of his centrist, realist-minded team of establishment foreign policy gurus seemed to nail the doors to power shut for the neocons, who have bitterly criticized the president-elect's plans to talk with Iran, withdraw U.S. forces from Iraq, and abandon the reckless Global War on Terrorism rhetoric of the Bush era.
"Kinetic Action" Against Iran
When it comes to Iran, however, it's far too early to dismiss the hawks. To be sure, they are now plying their trade from outside the corridors of power, but they have more friends inside the Obama camp than most people realize. Several top advisers to Obama -- including Tony Lake, UN Ambassador-designate Susan Rice, Tom Daschle, and Dennis Ross, along with leading Democratic hawks like Richard Holbrooke, close to Vice-President-elect Joe Biden or Secretary of State-designate Hillary Clinton -- have made common cause with war-minded think-tank hawks at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP), the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), and other hardline institutes.
Last spring, Tony Lake and Susan Rice, for example, took part in a WINEP "2008 Presidential Task Force" study which resulted in a report entitled, "Strengthening the Partnership: How to Deepen U.S.-Israel Cooperation on the Iranian Nuclear Challenge." The Institute, part of the Washington-based Israel lobby, was founded in coordination with the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), and has been vigorously supporting a confrontation with Iran. The task force report, issued in June, was overseen by four WINEP heavyweights: Robert Satloff, WINEP's executive director, Patrick Clawson, its chief Iran analyst, David Makovsky, a senior fellow, and Dennis Ross, an adviser to Obama who is also a WINEP fellow.
Endorsed by both Lake and Rice, the report opted for an alarmist view of Iran's nuclear program and proposed that the next president set up a formal U.S.-Israeli mechanism for coordinating policy toward Iran (including any future need for "preventive military action"). It drew attention to Israeli fears that "the United States may be reconciling itself to the idea of 'living with an Iranian nuclear bomb,'" and it raised the spurious fear that Iran plans to arm terrorist groups with nuclear weapons.
There is, of course, nothing wrong with consultations between the United States and Israel. But the WINEP report is clearly predisposed to the idea that the United States ought to give undue weight to Israel's inflated concerns about Iran. And it ignores or dismisses a number of facts: that Iran has no nuclear weapon, that Iran has not enriched uranium to weapons grade, that Iran may not have the know-how to actually construct a weapon even if, sometime in the future, it does manage to acquire bomb-grade material, and that Iran has no known mechanism for delivering such a weapon.
WINEP is correct that the United States must communicate closely with Israel about Iran. Practically speaking, however, a U.S.-Israeli dialogue over Iran's "nuclear challenge" will have to focus on matters entirely different from those in WINEP's agenda. First, the United States must make it crystal clear to Israel that under no circumstances will it tolerate or support a unilateral Israeli attack against Iran. Second, Washington must make it clear that if Israel were indeed to carry out such an attack, the United States would condemn it, refuse to widen the war by coming to Israel's aid, and suspend all military aid to the Jewish state. And third, Israel must get the message that, even given the extreme and unlikely possibility that the United States deems it necessary to go to war with Iran, there would be no role for Israel.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Dec 3, 2008 12:25 AM
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By negotiating with Iran Obama can firm up the western flank in Afghanistan, something the Iranians are very capable of doing. Iranians are natural enemies of the Taliban. I believe it was in the 90's when Iran sent a high level delegation to meet the Taliban. The Taliban slaughtered them all, A diplomatic mission ! I believe Obama will put the U.S. interests first and foremost and he knows that to get any real traction on his Afghanistan policy the Iranians will have to be counted.
I believe as far as Israel goes, Obama's priority will be the peace process. He may give Bill Clinton his Nobel platform. Clinton knows the issues there intimately and no progress has been made since he left office 8 years ago.
If Obama is anything, he is a pragmatist.
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Posted by: chicagomachine on Dec 3, 2008 7:08 AM
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Dec 3, 2008 3:06 AM
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Am I to believe that Barack Obama is so jaw droppingly stupid, that he would allow his foreign policy to be hijacked by the very people who destroyed the administration of the jackass who preceded him in the White House?
No. I refuse to believe that we're going to go down that road again.
Bu I've got to be honest with you, kiddies. The make up of this administration is starting to give me the jitters. I'm willing to give President Obama the benefit of the doubt for the time being. He's a whole hell of a lot smarter than I am. It's just that my very worst nightmare is that he would turn out to be a dud ala Bill Clinton.
We shall see what we shall see.
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Posted by: pointyhead on Dec 3, 2008 4:41 AM
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» RE: War is suicidally stupid.
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» The Only Obstacle That Has So Far Prevented a War With Iran is The US & UK Military
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Posted by: americansheep on Dec 3, 2008 5:38 AM
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Posted by: reinaldok on Dec 3, 2008 5:52 AM
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Posted by: writerman on Dec 3, 2008 6:08 AM
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Despite the rhetoric of 'change' and 'hope' it's extraordinary how timid Obama's choices of ministers have been. None of these people represent real, substantive, change. They represent continuity above all and bi-partisanship across the aisle.
And isn't this the way the political system really works? There's an awful lot of words and bluster during the campaign ritual. A lot of heat, but not much light. Then afterwards things hastily settle down to normal again. The 'twin party' system takes over again.
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» His think IS their thing. He was raised a Wiccan and a Leninist Communist
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Posted by: chicagomachine on Dec 3, 2008 7:03 AM
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» I don't have any security interests in the region
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» RE: My reproach has to do with the de facto assumptions you've made against Iran
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Posted by: solrev on Dec 3, 2008 6:42 AM
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» Obama is not stupid. Obama is evil.
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Posted by: chlamor on Dec 3, 2008 7:02 AM
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Mr Obama said: "To ensure prosperity here at home and peace abroad, we all share the belief we have to maintain the strongest military on the planet."
With the responsibilities of office just seven weeks away, he added that his administration was "absolutely committed to eliminating the threat of terrorism".
"We cannot tolerate a world where innocents are being killed by extremists," Mr Obama said in the wake of Bombay attacks, adding that he was "heartbroken" by the deaths of six Americans in the massacre.
"We have to bring the full force of our power, not only military but diplomatic and political, to deal with the threats," he said, also vowing that the US would stand with India.
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Tell me again how this is any different than than words spewing from the mouths of any number of right-wing think tank flunkies that litter the Beltway?
You see it's not that Obama is disappointing his legion of fans, and that's all they were, it's that these political consumers did not do their homework and instead relied on political slogans when choosing Brand Obama. It is they, these folk who blindly supported this very conservative corporate tool, who have disappointed the rest of us who have been talking about the very real policies and positions that Obama promotes as well as who he is and has been surrounded by. And so now you who supported Obama also inherit the responsibility of acting on what will soon be his policies. Are you going to just sit back on your hands as you did during the elections and 'hope' for some magical 'change' that is always around the corner? If so that makes you complicit in whatever vulgar actions your man is about to embark upon. Rest easy citizen. The world is watching.
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Posted by: richholland on Dec 3, 2008 7:03 AM
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An attack on IRAN means profit for the Rich american families, poverty for workers and middle class and death for little innocent children..
For what, for christ sake for what???
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Posted by: US Citizen on Dec 3, 2008 7:59 AM
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Posted by: symcokid on Dec 3, 2008 8:20 AM
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Posted by: opmoc on Dec 3, 2008 8:22 AM
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Iran is a natural FRIEND of the USA and Europe.
If the US feels like taking any Military action in the Region - it should Take Control of Israel to end the Apartheid and Genocide. People of all races and religions must have equal human rights and opportunites. Running a Country on Racist lines is not acceptable.
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» The animosity toward Iran?
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Posted by: willymack on Dec 3, 2008 8:31 AM
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1. The bushies stole two elections, and our "congress" and people LET THEM DO IT, and get away with it.
2. Unlike our clueless citizens, the Iranians saw through the 911 coverup, and realized how truly pathologically evil this regime is.
3. Iran watched with shocked horror as the US attacked their neighbor, Iraq, based on dirty lies, and even though every reason given for the attack was proven false, proceeded with a brutal occupation, anyway.
4. The Iranians know full well what it's like to be under constant threat from a phony president and a gang of what amounts to homicidal lunatics. Think about the demented orangtan, armed with a straight razor in E. A. Poe's "Murders on the Rue Morgue".
5. Obama seems to be more normal and reasonable, but he won't be president until 12PM, Jan. 20th, 2009. The bushies still have plenty of time to unleash yet another horror. Who in his right mind would put ANYTHING past them?
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» In March 2007 The Iranian's "Captured" 15 British Navy Personnel
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» Only Wiccans and Satanists Would Call for Nuclear War
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» Willymack, you are thinking straight. I'm with you.
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» RE: Willymack, you are thinking straight. I'm with you.
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» Least of all you
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Posted by: Bobsays on Dec 3, 2008 9:39 AM
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Things are going to go very haywire at the beginning of 2009, but that is the right time to do it. And then the war campaign can bed down and accomplish its goals during the term. Better to go crazy at first so you have time to clear up and lock it down for the next election.
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Posted by: gellero1 on Dec 3, 2008 9:41 AM
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Do you mean "change" was just a con job, and the Messiah is really just a celebrity, just as McLame claimed??
Help !!
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» Thank You
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» The phone is ringing!
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Posted by: 6399 on Dec 3, 2008 10:52 AM
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First, we have the US--the only power to actually utilize such a weapon as the acting barometer for what is acceptable and what is not in terms of nuclear etiquette. You have got to be kidding me.
Second, we have Israel--the smallest country to ever hold sway (overlordship is more like it) over a country more than 45 times its size and hundreds of times wealthier. And while Israel has never openly admitted possessing nukes, it's more or less accepted as fact, and yet we don't hear anyone clamoring for nuclear inspections there.
"It drew attention to Israeli fears that "the United States may be reconciling itself to the idea of 'living with an Iranian nuclear bomb,'" and it raised the spurious fear that Iran plans to arm terrorist groups with nuclear weapons."
That is precisely what is going to happen and Israel is going to damn well learn to accept it. Just how much longer will we allow a smaller combative country to run roughshod over the region and the supposed leader of the free world. Actually, I guess that makes Israel the leader of the free world.
Time to cut the apron strings and allow Israel to sink or swim on its own. Time for Jews in this country to realize that not all of us are interested in propping up their symbolic homeland in the name of Elijah or anyone else.
Israel is committing atrocities in the name of religion and the US is its greatest enabler. Blockades are preventing food and medicine from reaching the Palestinians at this very moment and we wonder why there are so widely detested in the Middle East.
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Posted by: DaBear on Dec 3, 2008 10:57 AM
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Every single person in the new Obama administration is owning class. You cannot watch an owning-classer stack his "team" with other owning-classers who lust for soldiering and the use of our people as fodder (afterall, we're just "the help," "their girl," "their boy"--oh yes, they actually do refer to us at the bottom as pre-Civil War plantation owners referred to their household slaves and that ain't no accident, people) and think that those choices of peers are going to mean something other than the very worst for all of us. well, you can but you're sure to have a really sore backside once the owning-classers begin to act out their snuff-fantasies on us.
Obama's a swell guy, a nice man, smart and open-minded. But he's an owning class guy. And he's not your friend (unless you're an owning classer or a middling serf sycophant). Just watch, the coded excuses are coming already: he's picked his advisors but insists he's still in charge... mmmhmmm. I've heard that one many times just before the owning class master cuts "the help" loose without pay, based on the advice of those advisors we weren't supposed to notice or fear behind the curtains....
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Posted by: opmoc on Dec 3, 2008 11:03 AM
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Michelle: "You mean you haven't had anal sex with Hilary whilst sucking the blood of a sacrificed goat in front of the entire elite in the firey dunegon under candelight?"
Barack: "Why the fuck do you think I would want to have any kind of sex with that cow?"
Michelle: "Well it's part of the rules - We agreed that when you went up for this thing that you would have sex with Hilary"
Barack: "Look Michelle - You are My Wife - I Love You To Bits. You Are Not Only The Most Sexy Woman In The World - But You Are Also The First Lady"
Michelle: "Thank Fuck For That - But What Do We Do With All The Crazy Neo-cons and The Devil Merchants?"
Barack: "Not a Problem - They Are All On My Team Now - and They Are On Our Side"
Michelle: "Won't They Try and Control You?"
Barack: " You Think Those Stupid Bastards Are Going To Control Me? - I Am The President of America - You Are The First Lady"
Well - if The Protection Team Keeps them Both Alive For another 6 weeks God Willing.
Apologies for any offence
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» Very funny post. NOT. Disgusting, juvenile, vulgar, naive.
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» RE: offens--shit--OFFENCE?
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Posted by: elidude420 on Dec 3, 2008 11:15 AM
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Stop elevating the evilest of people on the planet to the level of animal (let alone human.)
Stop calling war criminals birds!!!
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Posted by: Garvagh on Dec 3, 2008 11:24 AM
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Israeli militarists in alliance with Aipac continue to demonize Iran and deceive the American public into thinking Iran poses a threat. This is a reprise of the vicious lying and scheming that brought us the Iraq War catastrophe.
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» Garvagh hit the nail on the head
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Posted by: salt-of-the-earth on Dec 3, 2008 1:18 PM
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First goodie I want from Obama is a bomb shelter. Forget the free healthcare, the green meanie brigades, the 1 million young tattletales to be armed with machine guns in the tattletale brigade and hired to come and harass us for excuding too much carbon, having hte wrong kind of lightbulbs, or whatever --
You can be sure Obama and the rest of the elites have nice comfy safe places to go UNDERGROUND when the stuff hits the fan.
JUST BUILD US SOME DAMNED BOMB SHELTERS!
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Posted by: yellow on Dec 3, 2008 2:22 PM
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Posted by: Longdream on Dec 3, 2008 4:53 PM
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It may just be possible that Barack is as sane and sober as he looks, and twice as gifted.
And it may just be possible that he's going to struggle anyway, and maybe fail sometimes, because the problems are so deep and wide.
There isn't anyone on the scene that I would rather have in charge right now than Barack Obama. At least I feel confident that he is who he says he is--I've read enough disinterested third party testimony to support him. I've read him, read about him, listened to him and watched him.
Barack is no fool, he doesn't suffer fools, and he's pretty damned quick. He's our best chance to end up better off than we are now after some years go by.
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Barack Obama
A Chance
I Reckon He's a Good Guy and I Know His Wife Is Lovely
Our Planet is In Your Hands
Look After Us
Love & Peace,
Tony
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They're both right here.
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Obama's Change=more of the same.
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It seems a completely unnecessary waste of Wood otherwise.
But I Don't Know.
I'm Conventional
We dig a great big hole - and the body goes down in the coffin - to the bottom of the hole
And we all chuck some Earth on the Coffin to say goodbye
And then the blokes who work at the cemetary cover it up in Earth and we think that is the end of it...
But do these gardners go and dig up the bodies and salvage their coffins to be re-used on the second hand market - well I don't think so in England - but that has not answered the question about cremations
The Environmentalists Will No Doubt Have An Answer
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Posted by: mmckinl on Dec 3, 2008 12:25 AM
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By negotiating with Iran Obama can firm up the western flank in Afghanistan, something the Iranians are very capable of doing. Iranians are natural enemies of the Taliban. I believe it was in the 90's when Iran sent a high level delegation to meet the Taliban. The Taliban slaughtered them all, A diplomatic mission ! I believe Obama will put the U.S. interests first and foremost and he knows that to get any real traction on his Afghanistan policy the Iranians will have to be counted.
I believe as far as Israel goes, Obama's priority will be the peace process. He may give Bill Clinton his Nobel platform. Clinton knows the issues there intimately and no progress has been made since he left office 8 years ago.
If Obama is anything, he is a pragmatist.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Dec 3, 2008 3:06 AM
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Am I to believe that Barack Obama is so jaw droppingly stupid, that he would allow his foreign policy to be hijacked by the very people who destroyed the administration of the jackass who preceded him in the White House?
No. I refuse to believe that we're going to go down that road again.
Bu I've got to be honest with you, kiddies. The make up of this administration is starting to give me the jitters. I'm willing to give President Obama the benefit of the doubt for the time being. He's a whole hell of a lot smarter than I am. It's just that my very worst nightmare is that he would turn out to be a dud ala Bill Clinton.
We shall see what we shall see.
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Despite the rhetoric of 'change' and 'hope' it's extraordinary how timid Obama's choices of ministers have been. None of these people represent real, substantive, change. They represent continuity above all and bi-partisanship across the aisle.
And isn't this the way the political system really works? There's an awful lot of words and bluster during the campaign ritual. A lot of heat, but not much light. Then afterwards things hastily settle down to normal again. The 'twin party' system takes over again.
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» His think IS their thing. He was raised a Wiccan and a Leninist Communist
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» Obama is not stupid. Obama is evil.
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Posted by: chlamor on Dec 3, 2008 7:02 AM
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Mr Obama said: "To ensure prosperity here at home and peace abroad, we all share the belief we have to maintain the strongest military on the planet."
With the responsibilities of office just seven weeks away, he added that his administration was "absolutely committed to eliminating the threat of terrorism".
"We cannot tolerate a world where innocents are being killed by extremists," Mr Obama said in the wake of Bombay attacks, adding that he was "heartbroken" by the deaths of six Americans in the massacre.
"We have to bring the full force of our power, not only military but diplomatic and political, to deal with the threats," he said, also vowing that the US would stand with India.
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Tell me again how this is any different than than words spewing from the mouths of any number of right-wing think tank flunkies that litter the Beltway?
You see it's not that Obama is disappointing his legion of fans, and that's all they were, it's that these political consumers did not do their homework and instead relied on political slogans when choosing Brand Obama. It is they, these folk who blindly supported this very conservative corporate tool, who have disappointed the rest of us who have been talking about the very real policies and positions that Obama promotes as well as who he is and has been surrounded by. And so now you who supported Obama also inherit the responsibility of acting on what will soon be his policies. Are you going to just sit back on your hands as you did during the elections and 'hope' for some magical 'change' that is always around the corner? If so that makes you complicit in whatever vulgar actions your man is about to embark upon. Rest easy citizen. The world is watching.
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An attack on IRAN means profit for the Rich american families, poverty for workers and middle class and death for little innocent children..
For what, for christ sake for what???
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» Wars are not meant to be won
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Iran is a natural FRIEND of the USA and Europe.
If the US feels like taking any Military action in the Region - it should Take Control of Israel to end the Apartheid and Genocide. People of all races and religions must have equal human rights and opportunites. Running a Country on Racist lines is not acceptable.
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» The animosity toward Iran?
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Posted by: willymack on Dec 3, 2008 8:31 AM
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1. The bushies stole two elections, and our "congress" and people LET THEM DO IT, and get away with it.
2. Unlike our clueless citizens, the Iranians saw through the 911 coverup, and realized how truly pathologically evil this regime is.
3. Iran watched with shocked horror as the US attacked their neighbor, Iraq, based on dirty lies, and even though every reason given for the attack was proven false, proceeded with a brutal occupation, anyway.
4. The Iranians know full well what it's like to be under constant threat from a phony president and a gang of what amounts to homicidal lunatics. Think about the demented orangtan, armed with a straight razor in E. A. Poe's "Murders on the Rue Morgue".
5. Obama seems to be more normal and reasonable, but he won't be president until 12PM, Jan. 20th, 2009. The bushies still have plenty of time to unleash yet another horror. Who in his right mind would put ANYTHING past them?
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» Only Wiccans and Satanists Would Call for Nuclear War
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» Willymack, you are thinking straight. I'm with you.
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Posted by: Bobsays on Dec 3, 2008 9:39 AM
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Things are going to go very haywire at the beginning of 2009, but that is the right time to do it. And then the war campaign can bed down and accomplish its goals during the term. Better to go crazy at first so you have time to clear up and lock it down for the next election.
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Posted by: gellero1 on Dec 3, 2008 9:41 AM
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Do you mean "change" was just a con job, and the Messiah is really just a celebrity, just as McLame claimed??
Help !!
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Posted by: 6399 on Dec 3, 2008 10:52 AM
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First, we have the US--the only power to actually utilize such a weapon as the acting barometer for what is acceptable and what is not in terms of nuclear etiquette. You have got to be kidding me.
Second, we have Israel--the smallest country to ever hold sway (overlordship is more like it) over a country more than 45 times its size and hundreds of times wealthier. And while Israel has never openly admitted possessing nukes, it's more or less accepted as fact, and yet we don't hear anyone clamoring for nuclear inspections there.
"It drew attention to Israeli fears that "the United States may be reconciling itself to the idea of 'living with an Iranian nuclear bomb,'" and it raised the spurious fear that Iran plans to arm terrorist groups with nuclear weapons."
That is precisely what is going to happen and Israel is going to damn well learn to accept it. Just how much longer will we allow a smaller combative country to run roughshod over the region and the supposed leader of the free world. Actually, I guess that makes Israel the leader of the free world.
Time to cut the apron strings and allow Israel to sink or swim on its own. Time for Jews in this country to realize that not all of us are interested in propping up their symbolic homeland in the name of Elijah or anyone else.
Israel is committing atrocities in the name of religion and the US is its greatest enabler. Blockades are preventing food and medicine from reaching the Palestinians at this very moment and we wonder why there are so widely detested in the Middle East.
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Posted by: DaBear on Dec 3, 2008 10:57 AM
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Every single person in the new Obama administration is owning class. You cannot watch an owning-classer stack his "team" with other owning-classers who lust for soldiering and the use of our people as fodder (afterall, we're just "the help," "their girl," "their boy"--oh yes, they actually do refer to us at the bottom as pre-Civil War plantation owners referred to their household slaves and that ain't no accident, people) and think that those choices of peers are going to mean something other than the very worst for all of us. well, you can but you're sure to have a really sore backside once the owning-classers begin to act out their snuff-fantasies on us.
Obama's a swell guy, a nice man, smart and open-minded. But he's an owning class guy. And he's not your friend (unless you're an owning classer or a middling serf sycophant). Just watch, the coded excuses are coming already: he's picked his advisors but insists he's still in charge... mmmhmmm. I've heard that one many times just before the owning class master cuts "the help" loose without pay, based on the advice of those advisors we weren't supposed to notice or fear behind the curtains....
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Posted by: opmoc on Dec 3, 2008 11:03 AM
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Michelle: "You mean you haven't had anal sex with Hilary whilst sucking the blood of a sacrificed goat in front of the entire elite in the firey dunegon under candelight?"
Barack: "Why the fuck do you think I would want to have any kind of sex with that cow?"
Michelle: "Well it's part of the rules - We agreed that when you went up for this thing that you would have sex with Hilary"
Barack: "Look Michelle - You are My Wife - I Love You To Bits. You Are Not Only The Most Sexy Woman In The World - But You Are Also The First Lady"
Michelle: "Thank Fuck For That - But What Do We Do With All The Crazy Neo-cons and The Devil Merchants?"
Barack: "Not a Problem - They Are All On My Team Now - and They Are On Our Side"
Michelle: "Won't They Try and Control You?"
Barack: " You Think Those Stupid Bastards Are Going To Control Me? - I Am The President of America - You Are The First Lady"
Well - if The Protection Team Keeps them Both Alive For another 6 weeks God Willing.
Apologies for any offence
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» RE: offens--shit--OFFENCE?
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Posted by: elidude420 on Dec 3, 2008 11:15 AM
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Stop elevating the evilest of people on the planet to the level of animal (let alone human.)
Stop calling war criminals birds!!!
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Posted by: Garvagh on Dec 3, 2008 11:24 AM
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Israeli militarists in alliance with Aipac continue to demonize Iran and deceive the American public into thinking Iran poses a threat. This is a reprise of the vicious lying and scheming that brought us the Iraq War catastrophe.
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Posted by: salt-of-the-earth on Dec 3, 2008 1:18 PM
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First goodie I want from Obama is a bomb shelter. Forget the free healthcare, the green meanie brigades, the 1 million young tattletales to be armed with machine guns in the tattletale brigade and hired to come and harass us for excuding too much carbon, having hte wrong kind of lightbulbs, or whatever --
You can be sure Obama and the rest of the elites have nice comfy safe places to go UNDERGROUND when the stuff hits the fan.
JUST BUILD US SOME DAMNED BOMB SHELTERS!
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Posted by: Longdream on Dec 3, 2008 4:53 PM
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It may just be possible that Barack is as sane and sober as he looks, and twice as gifted.
And it may just be possible that he's going to struggle anyway, and maybe fail sometimes, because the problems are so deep and wide.
There isn't anyone on the scene that I would rather have in charge right now than Barack Obama. At least I feel confident that he is who he says he is--I've read enough disinterested third party testimony to support him. I've read him, read about him, listened to him and watched him.
Barack is no fool, he doesn't suffer fools, and he's pretty damned quick. He's our best chance to end up better off than we are now after some years go by.
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» COLIN POWELL IS COMPLETELY ASHAMED OF HIMSELF - BECAUSE BASICALLY HE IS A GOOD MAN
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» RE: If you'll just sit there and stay calm,
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Posted by: opmoc on Dec 3, 2008 5:59 PM
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Barack Obama
A Chance
I Reckon He's a Good Guy and I Know His Wife Is Lovely
Our Planet is In Your Hands
Look After Us
Love & Peace,
Tony
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» There Ain't Much Food In The Fridge
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Posted by: Longdream on Dec 3, 2008 8:25 PM
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They're both right here.
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Posted by: IPF on Dec 3, 2008 9:18 PM
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Obama's Change=more of the same.
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» RE: An administration of change?
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Posted by: opmoc on Dec 3, 2008 9:20 PM
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It seems a completely unnecessary waste of Wood otherwise.
But I Don't Know.
I'm Conventional
We dig a great big hole - and the body goes down in the coffin - to the bottom of the hole
And we all chuck some Earth on the Coffin to say goodbye
And then the blokes who work at the cemetary cover it up in Earth and we think that is the end of it...
But do these gardners go and dig up the bodies and salvage their coffins to be re-used on the second hand market - well I don't think so in England - but that has not answered the question about cremations
The Environmentalists Will No Doubt Have An Answer
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» opmoc , a little 'English' comedy
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