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Robert Gates Is Pandering to Obama to Keep His Pentagon Gig
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It may become a biennial ritual. Every two years, if the commander-in-chief (or the commander-in-chief-elect) says he wants to throw more troops into an unwinnable war for no clear reason other than his political advantage, panderer-in-chief Robert Gates will shout "Outstanding!"
Never mind what the commanders in the field are saying -- much less the troops who do the dying.
After meeting in Canada on Friday with counterparts from countries with troops in Afghanistan, Defense Secretary Gates emphasized to reporters there is a shared interest in "surging as many forces as we can" into Afghanistan before the elections there in late September 2009.
At the concluding news conference, Gates again drove home the point: "It's important that we have a surge of forces."
Basking in the alleged success of the Iraq "surge," Gates knows a winning word when he hears one -- whether the facts are with him or not. Although the conventional wisdom in Washington credits the "surge" with reducing violence in Iraq, military analysts point to other reasons -- including Sunni tribes repudiating al-Qaeda extremists before the "surge" and the de facto ethnic cleansing of Sunni and Shiite neighborhoods.
In Washington political circles, there's also little concern about the 1,000 additional U.S. soldiers who have died in Iraq since President George W. Bush started the "surge" early in 2007. The Americans killed during the "surge" represent roughly one-quarter of the total war dead whose numbers passed the 4,200 mark last week.
Nor is there much Washington commentary about what Bush's grotesque expenditure in blood and treasure will mean in the long term, even as the Iraqis put the finishing touches on a security pact that sets a firm deadline for a complete U.S. military withdrawal by the end of 2011, wording that may be Arabic for "thanks, but no thanks."
And most Americans do not know from reading the reports from their Fawning Corporate Media that the "surge" was such a "success" that the United States now has about 8,000 more troops in Iraq than were there before the "surge" rose and fell.
The real "success" of the Iraq "surge" is proving to be that it will let President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney leave office on Jan. 20, 2009, without having to admit that they were responsible for a strategic disaster. They can lay the blame for failure on their successors.
Gates a Winner?
Gates stands to be another beneficiary of the Iraq "surge."
Already, he has the defense secretary job. In November 2006, he was plucked from the relative obscurity of his Texas A&M presidency and put back into the international spotlight that he has always craved, because he was willing to front for the "surge" when even Donald Rumsfeld was urging Bush to start a troop drawdown.
Now, the perceived "success" of the "surge" is giving hawkish Washington Democrats an excuse to rally around Gates and urge President-elect Barack Obama to keep him on.
Ever an accomplished bureaucrat, Gates is doing what he can to strengthen his case.
On Friday, Gates seemed at pains to demonstrate that his approach to Afghanistan is identical to the one publicly espoused by his prospective new employer who is currently reviewing Gates' job renewal application. And, as he did with the Iraq "surge" over the past two years, Gates now is talking up the prospects for an Afghan "surge."
"The notion that things are out of control in Afghanistan or that we're sliding toward a disaster, I think, is far too pessimistic," Gates said. Yet the argument that Gates used to support his relative optimism makes us veteran intelligence officers gag -- at least those who remember the U.S. in Vietnam in the 1960s, the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 1980s, and other failed counterinsurgencies.
"The Taliban holds no land in Afghanistan and loses every time it comes into contact with coalition forces," Gates explained.
Our secretary of defense is insisting that U.S. troops have not lost one pitched battle with the Taliban or al-Qaeda. Engagements like the one on July 13, 2008, in which "insurgents" attacked an outpost in Konar province, killing nine U.S. soldiers and wounding 15 others, apparently do not qualify as "contact," but are merely "incidents."
Gates ought to read up on Vietnam, for his words evoke a similarly benighted comment by U.S. Army Col. Harry Summers after that war had been lost. In 1974, Summers was sent to Hanoi to try to resolve the status of Americans still listed as missing. To his North Vietnamese counterpart, Col. Tu, Summers made the mistake of bragging, "You know, you never beat us on the battlefield." Colonel Tu responded, "That may be so, but it is also irrelevant."
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Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 24, 2008 12:35 AM
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» RE: Like what would it matter at this point?
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Posted by: bobtr900 on Nov 24, 2008 1:03 AM
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Obama should put McGovern back in his job of giving the daily national intelligence estimate(NIE), which he had for a long time, that is until Bush the first fool fired him for telling the truth instead of what the Bushies wanted to hear.
I have always liked reality based people instead of ideologically based people who always seem to live in a bubble of their own making. Reality no matter how painful is far better than ideology; because fewer people die and because the truth leads to the ultimate solution as well as the best solution.
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Posted by: AlexLawyer on Nov 24, 2008 1:43 AM
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His economic policies will be far better than Bush's, his environmental ones at least marginally better, but his foreign and military policy are looking less different by the day.
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Posted by: Ottomatic on Nov 24, 2008 3:48 AM
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In with the new and out with the old.
In with the clean air and out with the stale.
You want a breath of fresh air?
Build it.
Shut OFF the Corpirate BU__! SH__!
Wake up and
Start swimming.
Head for the High Ground
Go Local
Go Green
Go Organic
SURGE PURGE
Update and
REBOOT!
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Posted by: 2thepoint on Nov 24, 2008 3:55 AM
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But what is everyone surprised about. Obama said the fight should be in Afghanistan. If you didnt like the policy, you shouldn't have voted for him.
To my pleasant surprise, Mr Liberal is turning into Mr. Moderate. I just wish he'd do it with new faces and not a rehash of the Clinton administration
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» Gates hasn't done anything to improve the mess in Iraq.
Posted by: jwverez
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Nov 24, 2008 8:09 AM
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Mr Obama is going right down the primrose path buying into the Bush Shock Doctrine Looting of America and his embrace of the very DLC 'Democrats' that enabled this tragedy in the first place.
The running cost of the looting of America is now over $24k per person and rising fast. This will be hung around Obama's neck like a burning tire in the MSM come the 20012 election cycle- if not sooner.
Barry Obama is starting to look more like change we can't stomach instead of change we can believe in. The DLC triumphs again. As for me and mine- I'm through with the Democrats and am open to the founding of a Progressive or Liberal Party that isn't a sell out to Wall Street.
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» true conservative and honest liberals
Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
» The Republican Party does NOT represent true conservative and honest liberals either.
Posted by: maxpayne
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Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals on Nov 24, 2008 8:24 AM
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This is your Democrat Party!
more bather wife syndrome so stop crying NOW!
You can bad mouth Republicans all you want however if we an't happy, we dont show up (see: 2006/2008)
Maybe Nader was right after all
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» Your Republican Party is no different. Just ask Ron Paul when you're done foaming at the mouth.
Posted by: maxpayne
» gasp, Obama was more Reagan that McCain could ever be
Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
» RE: Your Democrat Party
Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson
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Posted by: 876 on Nov 24, 2008 9:11 AM
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» hey...
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» RE: hey...
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Posted by: leveymg on Nov 24, 2008 10:18 AM
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Come on - be a little magnanimous, and give them a nod for a very valuable role under difficult circumstances.
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» RE:umm... didn't those assholes fire Adm. Fallon?
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Posted by: Ghoulman on Nov 24, 2008 11:23 AM
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Remember Yugoslavia. In the Clinton era the propaganda about genocide and mass graves were on every TV show. It was never shown to be true. The propaganda was more subtle than what Americans are used to today *chuckle*, but it still was all pervasive. Remember how, at the time, criticism of that 'war' caused the Clinton camp to call any detractors the 'blame America firsters'? In the Bush era it just changed to 'you're a traitor, anti-America'. Oh, simpler times? Not bloody likely.
U.S. Foreign Policy is decided by the military industrial complex. The 'commander in chief' doesn't. It's about money... always has been.
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Posted by: Bearzerker on Nov 25, 2008 1:31 AM
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the troops need stability and he is the 1 methodical soldier that WILL deliver...
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Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 24, 2008 12:35 AM
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» RE: Like what would it matter at this point?
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Posted by: bobtr900 on Nov 24, 2008 1:03 AM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Obama should put McGovern back in his job of giving the daily national intelligence estimate(NIE), which he had for a long time, that is until Bush the first fool fired him for telling the truth instead of what the Bushies wanted to hear.
I have always liked reality based people instead of ideologically based people who always seem to live in a bubble of their own making. Reality no matter how painful is far better than ideology; because fewer people die and because the truth leads to the ultimate solution as well as the best solution.
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Posted by: AlexLawyer on Nov 24, 2008 1:43 AM
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His economic policies will be far better than Bush's, his environmental ones at least marginally better, but his foreign and military policy are looking less different by the day.
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Posted by: Ottomatic on Nov 24, 2008 3:48 AM
Current rating: 5 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
In with the new and out with the old.
In with the clean air and out with the stale.
You want a breath of fresh air?
Build it.
Shut OFF the Corpirate BU__! SH__!
Wake up and
Start swimming.
Head for the High Ground
Go Local
Go Green
Go Organic
SURGE PURGE
Update and
REBOOT!
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Posted by: 2thepoint on Nov 24, 2008 3:55 AM
Current rating: 2 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
But what is everyone surprised about. Obama said the fight should be in Afghanistan. If you didnt like the policy, you shouldn't have voted for him.
To my pleasant surprise, Mr Liberal is turning into Mr. Moderate. I just wish he'd do it with new faces and not a rehash of the Clinton administration
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» Gates hasn't done anything to improve the mess in Iraq.
Posted by: jwverez
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Nov 24, 2008 8:09 AM
Current rating: 3 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Mr Obama is going right down the primrose path buying into the Bush Shock Doctrine Looting of America and his embrace of the very DLC 'Democrats' that enabled this tragedy in the first place.
The running cost of the looting of America is now over $24k per person and rising fast. This will be hung around Obama's neck like a burning tire in the MSM come the 20012 election cycle- if not sooner.
Barry Obama is starting to look more like change we can't stomach instead of change we can believe in. The DLC triumphs again. As for me and mine- I'm through with the Democrats and am open to the founding of a Progressive or Liberal Party that isn't a sell out to Wall Street.
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» true conservative and honest liberals
Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
» The Republican Party does NOT represent true conservative and honest liberals either.
Posted by: maxpayne
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Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals on Nov 24, 2008 8:24 AM
Current rating: 3 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This is your Democrat Party!
more bather wife syndrome so stop crying NOW!
You can bad mouth Republicans all you want however if we an't happy, we dont show up (see: 2006/2008)
Maybe Nader was right after all
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» Your Republican Party is no different. Just ask Ron Paul when you're done foaming at the mouth.
Posted by: maxpayne
» gasp, Obama was more Reagan that McCain could ever be
Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
» RE: Your Democrat Party
Posted by: Mrs. Jefferson
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Posted by: 876 on Nov 24, 2008 9:11 AM
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» hey...
Posted by: ellie
» RE: hey...
Posted by: Martin32
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Posted by: leveymg on Nov 24, 2008 10:18 AM
Current rating: 1 [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Come on - be a little magnanimous, and give them a nod for a very valuable role under difficult circumstances.
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» RE:umm... didn't those assholes fire Adm. Fallon?
Posted by: Ghoulman
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Posted by: Ghoulman on Nov 24, 2008 11:23 AM
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Remember Yugoslavia. In the Clinton era the propaganda about genocide and mass graves were on every TV show. It was never shown to be true. The propaganda was more subtle than what Americans are used to today *chuckle*, but it still was all pervasive. Remember how, at the time, criticism of that 'war' caused the Clinton camp to call any detractors the 'blame America firsters'? In the Bush era it just changed to 'you're a traitor, anti-America'. Oh, simpler times? Not bloody likely.
U.S. Foreign Policy is decided by the military industrial complex. The 'commander in chief' doesn't. It's about money... always has been.
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Posted by: Bearzerker on Nov 25, 2008 1:31 AM
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the troops need stability and he is the 1 methodical soldier that WILL deliver...
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