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Military Mom: Why I'm Sour About Sarah Palin

By Pat Alviso, AlterNet. Posted October 25, 2008.


After all, if my son can buck up and do yet another tour of duty in Iraq, I can face a crowd of Palin supporters.
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Today I decided that I needed to see the great communicator Sarah Palin in person at the giant Home Depot Stadium in Carson, and voice my opposition to the many public statements she has made recently about supporting the troops. The implication here is that she is, in effect, ready to abandon our troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. In other words, supporting the troops means you leave them there. No need to have a reason. You see, my Marine son, Beto, has already done two tours in Iraq and is about to be deployed for his third. This is why I found it particularly offensive when she said at the debate that we just can't fly the "white flag of surrender".

And so I felt compelled to brave a sea of red, right-wing, Palin worshipping republicans who were sure to throw me out of the arena. I was able to get a ticket from a passerby who didn't want to use her ticket. I had not planned to get into the event, but it seemed that destiny was calling, so dutifully covered up my Military Families Speak Out T-shirt and joined the flag waving crowd entering the Home Depot Stadium. After all, if my son can just buck up and go out for another tour, I can do this. So here I was among huge throng of republicans who would normally be calling me names, and were telling the Palin demonstrators to go back to Cuba and accusing even Iraq veterans of not knowing the words to the song "America the Beautiful", while they sang their way into the stadium. I was really out of my element and quite worried as I found myself lost in a swarm of pro-war and damn-the-torpedo people. No one even batted an eye at the guy next to me with the "Guns, God and Glory" T-shirt. Just the whole wrong headed thinking of this group filled me with enough indignation to get me through at least the airport-type security check.

I was beginning to wonder what had I been thinking when I decided to go all alone into this wild crowd of thousands of rabid republicans? Had the whole Republican Party membership come to my community? This was not going to be pretty. My knees were starting to wobble, but because I was alone, at least it was easy to get a seat. It would be a long time before Sarah Palin showed up. I seriously thought about forgetting the whole thing and leaving because people were so hyped up. The crowd what doing "The Wave", and I knew then it would be a long while before Palin would be on stage. So I took in some of the ambiance and picked up on a few conversations around me. A guy behind me was actually trying to impress his friends by joking that he tried to run over those Obama people on the way in, but didn't, and said if he had, he would have put the car in reverse and run over them twice. I cringed. Then I felt sad because a guy was sitting next to me with his two pre-teen girls. The girls looked at their daddy and waited for his response. The dad laughed at the car joke and so they echoed his laugh. They waited, but got the signal. I was amused by a conversation between a couple almost in front of me. A husband whispered too loudly to his wife that she should look across the stadium at this woman who was wearing pink. He was proud that he could detect that because her pink shirt had no words on it, she must be a protester. "Watch, something is going to happened", he clued her in.

I knew that in this crowd could get ugly. I was starting to agonize over my position and feeling very conspicuous in the heat with a sweatshirt all buttoned up, but then I looked up at the sky. Lo and behold, buzzing right over all those heads was a small pesky plane with the most wonderful banner that read, " Thanks but no thanks, Sarah Palin". Ah -- a sign from the gods, I thought. It has to be the Courage Campaign folks. Can't overlook that message -- COURAGE! Then out trotted my old nemesis, my representative in Congress, Dana Rohrabacher -- the one who promised that he would call for the troops to get out of Iraq when the Iraqis want us out, which we all know was several months ago. Also, the same caring guy who called military families, and a Gold Star family member traitors for wanting the troops home. My new found courage got me thorough that tired and broken accordion Rohrabacher. I considered moving my seat to another one, though, because there was a sweet old woman who was sitting on my right who was going to give up her seat to some much younger demanding woman who said she made 50 phone calls to get these seats She was waving her tickets and complaining that none of those seats were reserved! How dare the Republican Party treat her like that!

The older woman wanted to give up her seat to her. I started thinking that maybe it wasn't very nice of me to sit next to this woman who was having trouble just getting up and down and thought that if I were tossed out, the old woman would be in the way and she might get hurt if the police had to stomp over her to get to me. There really wasn't much aisle room. I started to look for another seat, but there weren't any except one next to some kids, so I stayed put. I did tell her not to give up her seat to the demanding woman, though.

Right before Palin came out, the LA Chapter leader of the National Organization for Women, Shelly Mandell of all people, pranced out to introduce Palin saying she wasn't speaking for the organization, but as a private citizen. If she was speaking as a private citizen, one would have to wonder why they felt the need to include her title with the introduction. When she said she was a life-long democrat the crowd booed her loud and clear. As if wasn't bad enough to be labeled a traitor by other women. Then she actually said, "This is what a feminist looks like", twisting a favorite line of real feminist activists, "This is what democracy looks like!". Sadly, one guy said," I can't believe she actually admitted to being a democrat!", missing the whole point of getting someone on the other side to speak out for you to make you look non-partisan.

Anyway, in sails Sarah Palin fresh as a daisy. She started talking about a slogan "written' "on her Starbucks coffee, (sorry all of the peace activists I know don't think the giant Starbucks corporation is very folksy), and for me it was the moment of truth. I could just sit there and who would know the difference? But the sound of her voice -- that same one that I knew would soon start talking about sending off our families to fight in an endless, pointless war and dare to call it patriotism, would soon be singing the same song. I couldn't stand it. I just couldn't let her use her son's name again to justify this war. She would be sure to mention that because her son got the orders to go to Iraq, just like mine did , that it's patriotic to keep sending them. That's it. That's the only reason to continue the war- because they are already there. The lesson for them is say nothing, let the senseless slaughter go on indefinitely or your don't support the troops. That was it for me. The crowd got quiet. I held my sign up and took off my outer sweatshirt. I was surprised how long it took for them to catch up with me. About two applause lengths. My neighbors started asking me to put down the sign. I did off and on, but when others put their signs up, mine went up too. Then two staffers in the red shirts and brown khakis trod past the dear old lady and put their sign over mine and a man, also a staffer, sat in my seat. I couldn't sit back down. One person grabbed my "Troops Home Now" sign, and tore part of it. Then the crowd started turning on me like a McCarthy party on a commie. The rest of the sign got ripped out of my hands and someone hit me with a red pom pom! Two quite older men started yelling at me to leave. One kept screaming right in my ear , "USA", trying to hurt my ear. Then the seat stealing staffer asked me if I had a ticket. I told him I had one. When he asked me to give it to him, I went to get it from my purse and then thought better and said , " No, I have one all right, but you took my seat and they took my sign and you will take my ticket. Besides, I am not doing anything disruptive!"

Then the two other staffers tried desperately to put their McCain signs over mine. I was familiar with this dirty trick, because that's what the Schwartzenegger staffers did to me when I showed up at another republican rally in Placentia. Maybe because it was taking away from the limelight, but at least Arnold had the courtesy to tell them to leave me alone. Not so with the Palin lions. They wanted blood.

To hush my sole weak "Troops home now" shout, a whole slew of angry Palinites began yelling in unison, "USA! USA!" This caused Palin to have to stop and make some remark about how free speech was why her son was fighting in Iraq. Clearly the mob was having none of that! A really nice young African American cozied up to me and said to trust him and that the Palin people wanted to talk to me and it was a good thing. I wasn't biting. One woman said her son was in the military and I said so was mine. More folks screamed for me to go, making more noise and fuss than I ever could. Even the sweet old lady turned on me. "Get her out of her. I don't want her here", she said in her new-found authoritative voice. Finally, Mutt , (or was if Jeff?) showed up asking me to leave or they would get the sheriffs. Once again I reminded them that I wasn't doing anything wrong. The man, the daddy of the pre-teens, told them to leave me alone and that I was entitled to my opinion and he just wanted to hear Palin. But no, the sheriffs came.

I ignored them. Then, tromping across the re-energized old woman they plucked me right out of my diminishing space. I knew it would be stupid to go limp, (Protest 101), so I started screaming, "Bring out troops home. Stop the war.

Bring our troops home!" all the way up and out of the stadium. I was completely surrounded by at least three sheriffs -- they had to be sheriffs because they had very shiny badges and greenish uniforms. All that work and all you can see of my big party crash with all that media coverage, is one single hand slightly above a group of sheriffs, raised in the classic peace sign. They can't take THAT away from me.

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Benedict Arnold Mccain and Pathetic Palin
Posted by: USAFVeteran1966 on Oct 25, 2008 3:46 AM   
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Webster says a traitor is someone who "betrays his country, cause or friends."

Because John McCain's "friends" -- the American people -- deserved the BEST qualified choice for a GOP vice presidential candidate, not a dimwitted, cheerleading hockey mom beauty queen with no foreign affairs experience, the crooked-talking Arizona senator proved what many war veterans think about him, including yours truly. Benedict Arnold McCain is a traitor who betrayed his country in 2008 just like he did 40 years ago in North Vietnam.

Vietnam vet/Obama supporter
Eight reasons to vote against John McCain

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» So is this vet of Vietnam! Posted by: thekidde
» Answer to your question Posted by: djnoll
thefairnessfella
Posted by: the fairness fella on Oct 25, 2008 4:00 AM   
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That was a really brave thing you did, Pat. I felt for you as the drama of the seating evolved and you grappled with where it was best to be sitting in order to do what you had to do.

I shared your fear too as you got to know your seat neighbors and no doubt imagined their reactions when you showed your true colors. It is very hard to stand out like that.

How will these worked up, churned up people deal with it if Obama wins? What will they do with their rage, of which you had a very small taste?

Scary and exciting times. And again, well done!

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» RE: thefairnessfella Posted by: peacefullaim
X pat observer
Posted by: davy on Oct 25, 2008 4:02 AM   
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It is becoming increasing clear that the feeling in Scotland, where I live, is one of disappointment in America. One friend asked, "Exactly how many lies do you have to tell to be a liar in America these days?" It is becoming increasingly clear that control must be wrestled away from "the military industrial complex" if we are all going to survive. All this business about "winning" is insane propaganda. They will fight us until we began peace. This "war"?? will go on until American's WAKE UP to this con job. OR all the "protesters" are in jail. Read a bit of history and you will see how it is/was done. What kind of sheep really believe that if you disagree with these boys you are not a patriot? Stay strong, IT'S THE ONLY CHOICE. O, buy the way, how's your economy doing ??? Anything left for schools, etc etc ???

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» RE: X pat observer Posted by: helenwheels
Thank You
Posted by: patsy6 on Oct 25, 2008 4:12 AM   
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You're a very brave person, Ms. Alviso. You and your son have my deepest thanks.

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» RE: Thank You. . .thank you. . . Posted by: peacefullaim
» Freedom of Speech Posted by: Artkansas
Bravery must run in your family
Posted by: diane42997 on Oct 25, 2008 4:18 AM   
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Pat, first of all, I want to thank your son for serving and I pray he's okay. I hate this war (and all wars), but I do appreciate the sacrifices and bravery of our men and women. Second, I applaud you for your courage in making a stand against the GOP's female idiot nominee. She and the other idiot seem blood-thirsty in not wanting this war to end. He's still mentally fighting the Viet Nam war, but I don't know what her excuse is.

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Blacktiger
Posted by: Blacktiger on Oct 25, 2008 4:40 AM   
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Thank you Pat for at least trying to state your opinion. May you and your son be blessed. I'm sure the same God would be ashamed He and His Son are being used by the Repugnants. We know the fat will be on the fire when they meet "their" maker. I am sure Lucifer is so happy to see the crowd that did that to you.

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Mchellecat
Posted by: mchllecat on Oct 25, 2008 4:47 AM   
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God Bless you military Mom,I am so proud of you and you are the very best of what America is and all those at that rally are the worst America has ever produced,Palin and Mcaine have stirred up this hate that the Republican party has been fanning for years,useing fear and terror to win elections,I pray this time it wont work.

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Bush Declared "Mission Accomplished" in 2003
Posted by: Carol Burns on Oct 25, 2008 5:30 AM   
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So, what are our troops still doing in Iraq? How do you "win" a war that's already been won? I guess you wait until the oil contracts are signed and the country is in total ruins, but wait...there's still the upcoming election to consider, so what's a few more casualties in the name of what's good for Amerika? How does a holy roller from Wasilla, who claims to have a personal relationship with Jesus, justify referring to our pre-emptive strike on a country that did not attack us as "God's War"? Hypocrite!

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Who is like unto her? Babylon the Great Holey of Holeys, wife to the thing in the Pit.
Posted by: Nightstallion on Oct 25, 2008 6:00 AM   
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Don't worry, there is more than one the DemonRats have their Hilly and Sarah is not Palin to the task of being the great Queen on her RepubliCon barge either. Why is there no Dr. Ruth types to step forward, I would even vote for Mary Shelley if she were alive. Where is Eleanor Roosevelt, or Nurse Nightingale?

Atom Bombs, cyclotron excrement, that's what my human dogs eat! And I like to rub their noses in it! (Apologies to Billy Burroughs) War, Death, Famine, Plague these are the cast of characters in the current Comedy; they have simply not come full blown into play. It is far from Devine.

Everyone has babbled at me about my Bible Epic Comparisons. You got better? Cough them up! These miscreants do not deserve better than the worst that may come from the human psyche or soul. Here we sit at the brink of the direst predictions in human history and we deny the presence of the Falconer? Can I help it if you haven’t read Yeats: Second Coming?

Mere chaos is unleashed upon the world? Which part of this is not irony? One cannot wash ones hands of responsibility when we all allowed this Monster into the White House. So, in fixing it do we have to compound the error by putting more of the same into that highest office in our land?

Elect whomever you wish but be ready to impeach the scum on the 13th of January 2009. I trust in this country’s ability to pick for service the worst possible representative of humanity in existence. If there is anyone worthy of truly being the Anti-Christ whoever we elect from any party in existence he will arise!

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» RE: Pssst! Posted by: Bittersham2
That is just a taste of what is coming.
Posted by: Plexius2 on Oct 25, 2008 6:06 AM   
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If Obama wins, we all know that the shockjock driven conservative crazies will gun him down or blow him up. They may even take him out BEFORE he swears in.

If McCAnus wins, you will see backlash anarchy, rioting in the streets, firebombs, mass arrests, downtowns torched and rubbled. The rich will become targets, a tanking economy will hit bottom, massive layoffs, desperate people with tons of guns looting. Think Katrina multiplied a thousand-fold.

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Your Call Was Heard
Posted by: DawnL on Oct 25, 2008 6:23 AM   
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It may have been faint in the background and I couldn't make out the words but I heard the cry and then the TV cameras turned to the commotion as someone was being surrounded by McCain people and forcibly removed from the arena.

I cheered you on ... you couldn't see or hear me but I could still bless you and support you all the way. I was so happy to see that someone was brave enough to stand up and call those liars down, right there on their own territory.

I echo the person who said that courage clearly runs in your family. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your son. I thank you for being a voice for the millions of others who think and feel as you do but were not able to be there and speak out as you did. You may have been just one voice, but you were speaking for millions.

Thank you for sharing the personal story behind your actions. I too was with you, feeling very alone and vulnerable in that ocean of closed minds and prejudices. Yet even in the midst of all that fear and hostility, you stood up and said your piece. Way to go! Brava!

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SARAH BRINGS OUT THE WORST IN US
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Oct 25, 2008 7:10 AM   
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She isn't much of a politician nor is she very bright. But the people who 'love to hate' need someone to egg them on. The people you describe talk about supporting the troops. You would think that they could at least be polite to a Marine's mother. Thank you for a first hand account of what really goes on at a Palin rally. Doesn't have much to do with anyone getting elected. ANNA

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Is this the way americans behave?
Posted by: anotherbrickinthewall on Oct 25, 2008 7:34 AM   
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What frightens and truly saddens me is how your freedom of speech and right to peacefully protest were extinguished. You were bullied out of a public political rally that you had a ticket to. What's next, arresting protestors.... Oh, that's already happening. Tazers, rubber bullets, excessive force... This is not the America I was raised to believe in and I think you were very brave to do what you did. You've inspired me. Thank you!

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The moral of this story?
Posted by: Tobruck rock on Oct 25, 2008 7:37 AM   
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The U.S. Military had no problems in attracting volunteers during the first and second Gulf War when they had the upper hand in kicking-ass in Iraq.
Now that American asses is on the line, we start hearing about our poor boys and girls suffering in that unjust war, I don't know when you people will ever understand that you just can't use a steamroller to roll over people,stick a first aid plaster on them, and expect them to say thanks for helping!

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US Citizen Reformed Republican, Democrat forever
Posted by: Dana L. Stern on Oct 25, 2008 8:02 AM   
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So many Americans have been mislead about war it's easy to get taken in. There's no glory in it! We need ti withdraw from Iraq. Then go to Pakistan and arrest Osama Bin Laden! Our militray knows where he is. If comes down to taking out a city block, do it!

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Imagine . . .
Posted by: newsound on Oct 25, 2008 8:51 AM   
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. . . what these same people will do when Obama is elected.

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Courage
Posted by: Drume on Oct 25, 2008 10:14 AM   
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Well, m'am, I don't know who you are or anything about you, but I feel compelled to thank you for representing so many people with your actions that day. For taking the time and energy to confront your fears and go the extra mile. You did so very much on that day, so much more than most of us will ever do. So really, I just want to thank you.

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The day more women stop laughing at men who choose to moderate themselves from being too macho is
Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 25, 2008 10:59 AM   
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the day the anti-war forces will win it for the country. Until then we the people will remain full time LOSERS with all these silly phrases such as military mom and nascar dad !

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Hilarious anti-Palin/McCain YouTube cartoon show.
Posted by: USAFVeteran1966 on Oct 25, 2008 11:16 AM   
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For lots of laughs at Pathetic Palin and her senile running mate, click on: Palin/McCain cartoon show

Vietnam vet/Obama supporter
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would love to see the photo
Posted by: leftymathprof on Oct 25, 2008 11:23 AM   
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Ms. Alviso, I applaud your courage.

I'd love to see the photo mentioned at the end of your article.

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Thank you!
Posted by: aronblue on Oct 25, 2008 11:38 AM   
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You stood up for all of us. That must've so goddam scary, with all those psychos around, and you still did it. Words can't express my admiration.

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Your are just lucky
Posted by: bluepilgrim on Oct 25, 2008 1:02 PM   
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they didn't throw their bananas and twigs at you like they do when they are in the trees.

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Republican Terrorism
Posted by: redceres on Oct 25, 2008 3:03 PM   
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In my hometown, many Obama supporters don't have signs or bumper stickers because of the extermely hostile atmosphere for progressives here. It's no joke.

When are we going to start talking about the kind of homegrown terrorism that has one fraction of our population working so vigorously to take away basic rights from the rest?

When are we going to start calling all the without-notice search and seizure, the hauling-off-from-peaceful-protests, the propositions up for law that define some of us as less than others for what they are? Terrorism.

Conservatives want hierarchy, dog-eat-dog. They want the rich to stay rich and the poor to stay poor because they think that what you are is what you deserve.

They are aristocrats and aristo-patsies who have fooled themselves into thinking that they not only deserve material excess, but also moral authority.

They want to choose for individuals not only how they will live within the community, but also how they will define all measures of "normal" in society.

This is not freedom. This is pre-Taliban.

Call it what it is. Terrorism.

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Hate rally
Posted by: rinpochet on Oct 25, 2008 3:12 PM   
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Thanks Pat. I doubt that I would have had the guts to do what you did. I have seen those rallies on TV and they bear a scary resemblance to those rallies I see on the History channel in pre-war Germany, filled with hatred and blind ideology. Talk about walking into the lion's den!

I truly admire your courage.

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I just wonder...
Posted by: TagsNOLA on Oct 25, 2008 5:29 PM   
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... how a McCain/Palin supporter might've fared at an Obama rally. I've already read posts railing against conservative posters here telling them they're not welcome here. To the credit of other posters, they defended the right of dissent in here. I'm not really sure a conservative protester would've fared much better at an Obama rally. That does not excuse the shabby treatment of this lady at the Palin rally, but I doubt we'd read anything about a similar such experience by a protester at an Obama/Biden rally. At least not here.

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allen
Posted by: pursah on Oct 25, 2008 6:36 PM   
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It is an age old tactic, start a war and hold public support with the "back our boys" rallying cry. Example: If you were a German against Hitler in 1941, you were against "our boys". No matter that they were murdering monsters, to the Germans, they were "our boys."
We have all these history shows on cable TV tellings us "what happened" there. We need shows that tell us "how it happened" , the tactics used. Then people would recognize them when they are used here.

Those ten-cent patriots with their ten cent "support our troops" stickers (that are made in China) need to put their fat asses where their mouths are. Get their asses over to Irag, volunteer to serve donuts in commissary,, volunteer to help clear out the road-side bombs, volunteer to to read to and comfort the wounded men, volunteer to help the stateside military wives and children, maybe baby-sit the kids. Talk is damned cheap and those damned stickers are even cheaper.

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Rogue Palin
Posted by: USAFVeteran1966 on Oct 25, 2008 7:12 PM   
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The following news report was published today by AOL.

Palin 'Going Rogue,' McCain Aide Says

CNN
(Oct. 25) - With 10 days to go until Election Day, long-brewing tensions between GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and key aides to Sen. John McCain have become so intense they are spilling out in public, sources say.

Several McCain advisers have suggested to CNN that they have become increasingly frustrated with what one aide described as Palin "going rogue." A Palin associate, however, said the candidate is simply trying to "bust free" of what she believes was a damaging and mismanaged roll-out.

McCain sources say Palin has gone off message several times, and they privately wonder if the incidents were deliberate. They cited that she labeled robocalls -- recorded messages often used to attack a candidate's opponent -- "irritating" even as the campaign defended their use. Also, they pointed to her telling reporters she disagreed with the campaign's decision to pull out of Michigan.

A second McCain source tells CNN she appears to be looking out for herself more than the McCain campaign.

"She is a diva. She takes no advice from anyone," said this McCain adviser. "She does not have any relationships of trust with any of us, her family or anyone else.

"Also, she is playing for her own future and sees herself as the next leader of the party. Remember: Divas trust only unto themselves as they see themselves as the beginning and end of all wisdom."

Vietnam vet/Obama supporter
Eight reasons to vote against John McCain

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jtoman
Posted by: jtoman on Oct 25, 2008 10:16 PM   
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"ready to abandon our troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. In other words, supporting the troops means you leave them there."

Hey gal, you abondoned your troops and your son when your sent him off to some nonsense war. And when he comes back in some body bag you will cry and think he was some hero as a great military man that stood up for your nonsense of some corporate beast.

Do so. The best you can do is get him out of harms way. Tell him to come home and stop supporting the beast.

But I know this is on deaf ears.

Love the flag your nice government will give you in place of him.

So tell me off. I am a 20 year retired vet. Think I do not know how evil this government is????

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» RE: jtoman Posted by: Von
Bush/McCain are stupid
Posted by: stev90 on Oct 26, 2008 2:41 AM   
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Inspite of John McCain's experience during the Vietnam war, he has failed to comprehend the Vietnam War's lesson number 1:
"Military power has it's limits."

Also, McCain fails to understand an ancient principle on warfare:

"Never engage in a protracted conflict that will drain your treasury."

The key is to use our resources including the military wisely, not merely to pander to some right-wing, religious, "pseudo-patriotic" Republican Neo-Conservative ideological nonsense.

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Kudos to you Pat
Posted by: swooshy on Oct 26, 2008 6:16 AM   
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What you did was brave and the essence of what democracy is. It is easy to be part of the cheerleading mob - much harder to stand up and acknowledge the quiet voice of conscience. The few lone voices in stadiums demanding to be heard and exercising their right to be heard as was promised in the Constitution are an annoyance to those who would prefer that we forget the Constitution while wrapping themselves in the protection of it.

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opus 132
Posted by: schubert on Oct 26, 2008 10:49 AM   
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I'd be curious how a vociferous McCain supporter would fare at an Obama rally. I'd like to think our guys would be a bit more courteous. Any anecdotal evidence along these lines?

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Palin
Posted by: Maryanne on Oct 26, 2008 2:14 PM   
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So much for free speech and the right of assembly.

So much for the McCain claim that he will be able to work with the democrats in office should he win the eletion. It is clear that the Republicans can't (won't?) work with anyone who opposes them.

Just returned from a lengthy stay in Maritime Canada. Everyone who had an opinion was for Obama, but tired of the length of our election process(theirs started and ended while we were there). Little in the newspapers about McCain, Obama or Biden, but much about Palin.

To quote a few: The Miramichi Leader - according to Walter Monagan, the commissioner who had been asked to fire the state trooper, it was not Palin, but her husband, Todd who called him into the office of the governor for a meeting on this issue. While the results of the investigation condemned Sarah Palin for abuse of power and a violation of the state's ethics laws which prohibit use of public office for personal benefit, the 300 page report was more critical of Todd Palin who had extraordinary access to his wife's office, staff and power, spending 50% of his time in her office, making phone calls, participating in meetings and had significant influence. Anytime Wheeler, member of Palin's security staff needed to get information to the governor, he had to go through her husband. Todd Palin offered no apologies for his "being very close" to his wife, and "being her best friend" and said "I have helped her in her career as best I can and she has helped me."

Norbert Cunningam, The Moncton Times and Transcript - Language and writing are essential for communication. An articulate person is one who has the ability to speak and write coherently...Making sense is important. "Sarah Palin...makes the relatively inarticulate George W Bush sound more like JFK by comparison. Anyone who might one day be the leader of the world's most powerful nation should at a minimum be able to make some kind of logical sense when they open their mouth, Palin doesn't...Her inability to think goes way beyond being inarticulate. Harsh as it may be, if anyone merited the title 'clueless', it's Palin. She's not even coherent cold stone sober...Does the world really want a person incapable of utteing a logical sentence on issues within an election and hearbeat of the oval office? It couldn't get any scarier then George W Bush!" ..."The bottom line: articulate and intellegent people don't speak gibberish; and those who speak gibberish but are claimed by others to be articulate are almost always frauds."

Harry Bruce, Moncton Times Transcript : Sarah Palin, the winking, nose-wrinkling, unblinking bombshell from downtown Wasilla, has talked openly about the coming "Palin-McCain administration" and referring to McCain as "my running mate". Tapper of ABC news doesn't recall ever hearing a VP nominee discuss the top of the ticket in this way.

She names her hero Harry Trumanm "whose supreme virtue in her eyes is that he succeeded a president who died in office." She is "scatterbrained". McCain in debates presented himself as a "geezer" who showed his age in many ways. So there was,according to Frank Rich of NY Times,"a steady unnerving undertone to Palin's utterances, a consistent mesage of hubristic self confidence and hyper ambition. She wants to be president, she thinks she can be president, and thinks she will be president. And perhaps soon. She sounds like someone who sees herself a HALF a hearbeat away from the presidency... She is preposterously unprepared to run the country." Palin says her lack of international experience is no big deal because Americans just aren't interested in "someone's big fat resume that shows decades and decades in that Washington establishement where they've had opportunities to meet heads of state."

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Palin Part 2 continued
Posted by: Maryanne on Oct 26, 2008 2:26 PM   
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Bruce comments: "That's terrifying. It suggests Palin believes that a US PResident (problems national and international enumerated here) requires no experience, no knowledge, no thoughtfulness... all she needs is the ability to avoid 'blinking'...She appears to be an impossibility; a version of George Bush who is even thicker than the real thing." Another person quoted in the article " Not since... Caligula appointed his horse to the Roman Senate has there been such a bonehead choice."

Bruce again: If McCain wins and is unable to fulfill his term, she will have "supreme power to wreck the world.

Let us Pray."

Final comment from Fareed Zakaria: "A person should be ready to lead the US at a moment's notice. She (Palin) has never spent a day thinking about any important national or international issue, and this is a hell of a time to start."

AMEN

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GOD/DESS BLESS YOU FOR YOUR WORK
Posted by: maribelle on Oct 26, 2008 7:51 PM   
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My friend, thank you for attending this event and protesting. You have more courage than I; those crowds and their hate terrify me.

My son is a combat medic in Baghdad finishing his first tour. They are already preparing him for his next tour. He tells me he will have to go even if Obama is elected and he's being very brave--"it's okay, Mom, I'm okay."

I wish blessings on your son. Bless them all--including Track Palin. May they all come home safely and soon.

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Support the oops!
Posted by: stev90 on Oct 27, 2008 1:40 AM   
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Real support for the troops means opposing their deployment in a war they shouldn't have been sent to begin with.

The Iraq war was a tragic mistake, we should have been out of Iraq a long time ago, and yet many Americans continue to bury their heads under the sand, insisting that we need to finish the job.

Uhm, the problem is, invading Iraq was the wrong job to begin with.

Are they just plain dumb or what?

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I'm a Military mom too..
Posted by: militarymom2 on Oct 27, 2008 6:51 AM   
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And I am SO proud of you Pat.
Just because we don't agree with the WARS does not mean we don't support our troops.
I can't begin to tell you how many people have come to me and said.. " You MUST be a McCain/Palin supporter" ( I have a boy in the miiltary and a daughter with DOWN SYNDROME)
I just stare at them. Seriously? Since when do I have to support the folks that LOOK just like me? Just because someone has a son in the military does not mean I like them. Just because someone has a child with Down Syndrome does not mean they get an autopass with me.
Seriously.. if you want to impress me.. Bring my son HOME. Let's live in Peace.


Thanks again Pat. Sorry, I vented a little. :)

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Scary.
Posted by: Starfall Deception on Oct 27, 2008 3:59 PM   
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Whoa. Imagine if I would have went in there with an "Atheists have rights too" sign. I'd get slaughtered.

I admire your courage. However, it frightens me how you were kicked out for doing nothing wrong. My freedom of speech-- it's writhing in agony on the bloody floor. :(

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"USA! USA!!" has been the mantra
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Oct 28, 2008 9:53 AM   
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for abuse globally since before WWII.

Now you know how the REST of the Globe hears that chant as it drowns out the thin human voices of reason & compassion in the face of shrieking nationalistic justifications.



Spread Love, not corporate dependence...

BlueBerry Pick'n
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"... tolerance of intolerance is cowardice..." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
"We, two, form a Multitude" ~ Ovid.
"Violence can only be concealed by a Lie, & the Lie can only be maintained by Violence." ... "Any man, who has once proclaimed Violence as his Method, is inevitably forced to take the Lie as his Principle" – Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
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When America is "Vying for a Great Lady", No One Can or Ever Will, Outdo, this woman...
Posted by: One American Lady on Oct 30, 2008 7:58 PM   
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DOLLEY PAYNE/PAINE--TODD--MADISON.

Dolley was the Hostess, for the First 12 U.S. Presidents & she Hosted Every Event, in the Private Homes & in the Whitehouse, when she reached the age, to join the Political Scene, right after her first husband, John Todd, & their infant son, died...sometime, before 1792.

Dolley's dad, was a High-Degree Masonic, & All of the Founding Fathers, & Politicians, were *in & out, of the Payne House*...& Dolley was a young child, & knew all of them, before she was into the Political Scene.

Dolley remained in the Political Scene, from the era of "before 1792 til her death in 1849".

She was there, when the changing of the Century took place...1800...& she was there, in amongst the crowd, to witness the duel between two leaders of American Colonies...

Dolley was there, as a First Lady of the Whitehouse, & was "on the Arm of Each of the First 12 Presidents, when their wives had died"...

Dolley's sister, married the nephew of George Washington...also a descendant of the Montague Ancestory...his name was George Steptoe Washington.

Dolley's cousin, "by Dolley, arranging the marriage, that cousin, did marry the son of President Polk"...so Dolley "connected kinfolk, to the First U.S. President & to the 12th U.S. President"... would you say this is
"fate...for the #12...like 12 Disciples & Christ"??

History books, are books which should interest Every Soldier, who Serves, on Behalf of America, & the Constitutional Rights, established for this country & it's people.

Those History Books, should be the books, which
relate the stories / data, on the U.S. Presidents & Founding Fathers, Signers of the Declaration of Independence.

Dolley was in the Political Scene, when the Movement of the Native Indians, took place, too.

Dolley's son, who lived into Adulthood, John Payne Todd, is a Relative to Mary Todd-Lincoln, the wife of U.S. President Abraham Lincoln.

Doesn't it seem odd...that Everyone Who Could Be in Politics, in that era...could have had a little help, from Ms. Dolley Payne/Paine??

She is kin to the Famous Thomas Paine, too.
Thomas Paine played a large part in America, gaining the Independence...
(view Veterans for Common Sense.org).

Slaves would "sell themselves, to other people, to Keep Dolley, in the Political Scene".

If it was necessary, "Who Would You Be Willing to Sell Yourself to...to help Someone, Stay in the Political Scene ??"

No One, Not Even Palin, can "Outshine the Lady that Dolley became"... the Most Outstanding Lady of the Whitehouse...

Try "Reading Between the Lines, of the Life of Dolley"...there's secrets there, galore..

Dolley "kept the wheels in motion"..greased the frontlines... for certain events to take place, esp...for the people she Loved & Respected the Most, the Slaves.

It was a Slave, who at an Elderly Age, "sold himself to Daniel Webster, so Dolley Could Remain in Politics"...reasons:

How Do You Think, that a Million Slaves, had
permission, to "Go West, with the Native Indians"...??? where they could Roam throughout the Reservation Land, More Freedom, than they had in the Eastern Land.

History tells us, who we are...if we search for it.

Sincerely,
One American Lady
Veterans Advocate

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