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Obama Talks Tough About Afghanistan; Here's What He's Really in For

By Anand Gopal, Tomdispatch.com. Posted October 10, 2008.


Afghanistan is filled with poor, jobless people who have seen their families blown up by Americans. And they're itching to get revenge.
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In a 1998 interview with Le Nouvel Observateur, Zbigniew Brzezinski, former national security adviser to President Jimmy Carter, spoke proudly of how, in July 1979, he had "signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul" and so helped draw a Russian interventionary force into Afghanistan. "On the day that the Soviets officially crossed the border," Brzezinski added, "I wrote to President Carter, saying, in essence: 'We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam War.'" And so they did -- with the help of the CIA, Saudi money, the Pakistani intelligence services, and an influx of Arab jihadis, including Osama bin Laden. In fact, their Afghan War would prove far more disastrous for the Soviet Union than defeat in Vietnam had been for the United States. By the time the Soviets withdrew their last troops in February 1989, the economy of the Cold War's weaker superpower was tottering on the brink. Less than three years later, the Soviet Union itself was no more, even as Washington, at first unbelieving, then celebratory, declared eternal victory.

It is far clearer now, as American economic power visibly crumbles, that rather than a victor and a vanquished there were two great power losers in the Cold War. The weaker, the Soviet Union, simply imploded first, while the U.S., enwreathed in a rhetoric of triumphalism and self-congratulation, was far more slowly making its way toward the exit. Seldom mentioned here, however, is a grotesque irony: as the U.S. seems to be experiencing the beginning stages of its imperial implosion, it is also -- as the Soviet Union was in the 1980s -- enmired in a war without end in Afghanistan against a ragtag army of Afghan insurgents supported by foreign jihadist volunteers.

One difference, of course: The Soviets were, in part, brought to the edge of bankruptcy and collapse by a war supported to the hilt, and to the tune of billions of dollars as well as massive infusions of weaponry, by the other superpower. The U.S. is heading for its analogous moment without an enemy superpower in sight. If anything, a single man -- Osama bin Laden -- might be said to have filled the former superpower role, which, were the results less grim, would be little short of farcical. That this has come to pass is, of course, partly the result of the Bush administration's many imperial blunders, including its invasion of Iraq and its urge to garrison the oil lands of the planet from the Middle East to Central Asia. Like all historical analogies, the Afghan one may be less than exact, but it does stare us in the face and, eerie as it is, it's hard to account for its absence from discussion here in the U.S.

If you want to grasp just how deeply the United States is now entangled in its own catastrophic Afghan War, you need only read the following report. For obvious reasons, it's rare for TomDispatch to have on-the-spot reporting. So consider this an exceptional exception. Anand Gopal is a superb young journalist who writes regularly for the Christian Science Monitor. Here, he considers the failed U.S. surge in Afghanistan -- yes, there was one back in 2007 -- as well as the costs for Afghan civilians and the increasingly powerful Taliban insurgency that has emerged from it. His report could not be more vivid or more sobering for a country readying itself, under a new president, to pour yet more troops into Afghanistan. Introduction by TomDispatch editor, Tom Engelhardt

The Surge That Failed

Afghanistan under the Bombs

By Anand Gopal

A bit past midnight on a balmy night in late August, Hedayatullah awoke to a deafening blast. He stumbled out of bed and heard angry voices drawing closer. Suddenly, his bedroom doors banged open and dozens of silhouetted figures burst in, some shouting in a strange language.

The intruders blindfolded Hedayatullah and, screaming with fury, forced him to the ground. An Afghan voice told him not to move or speak, or he would be killed. He listened for sounds from the next room, where his brother Noorullah slept with his family. He could hear his nephew, eight months old, crying hysterically. Then came the sound of an automatic rifle, after which his nephew fell silent.

The rest of the family -- 18 people in all, including aunts, uncles, and cousins -- was herded outside into the darkness. The Afghan voice explained to Hedayatullah's terrified mother, "We are the Afghan National Army, here to accompany the American military. The Americans have killed one of your sons and his two children. They also shot his wife and they're taking her to the hospital."

"Why?" Hedayatullah's mother stammered.

"There is no why," the soldier replied. When she heard this, she started screaming, slamming her fists into her chest in anguish. The Afghan soldiers left her and loaded Hedayatullah and his cousin into the back of a military van, after which they drove off with an American convoy into the black of night.


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Anand Gopal writes frequently about Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the "War on Terror." He is a correspondent for the Christian Science Monitor, based in Afghanistan. For more of his information and dispatches from the region, visit anandgopal.com.

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OK the Short Story: Afghanistan is about HEROIN & a backdoor to BIG OIL
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Oct 10, 2008 1:53 AM   
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Iraq and Iran are about Big Oil (as if anyone had any doubt by now).

“War on drugs” that cooks and launders a trillion dollars a year thru money center western banks every year is every bit as bogus as genocide so-called 9/11 “war on terror”. Likewise for the 911 cover-up itself that continues to animate the naked corruption of domestic and foreign power grabs like some toxic vampire.

In July 2008, former CIA chief of the Bin Laden Issue Station, Michael Scheuer, said: "Afghanistan is lost for the United States and its allies. To use Kipling's term, 'We are watching NATO bleed to death on the Afghan plains.' But what are we going to do? There are 20 million Pashtuns; are we going to invade? We don't have enough troops to even form a constabulary that would control the country. The disaster occurred at the beginning. The fools that run our country thought that a few hundreds CIA officers and a few hundred special forces officers could take a country the size of Texas and hold it, were quite literally fools. And now we are paying the price."

Of course, this is at best a cover story where state leaders including Benazir Bhutto declared ex CIA asset Bin Laden dead for some time (no reason for a CIA "Bin Laden Issue Station") days before she herself was assassinated. The CIA has traditionally been a top global drug dealer along with MI6 and the Israeli Mossad . The "price" is sweet for uncounted billions of heroin dollars where The United Nations estimates that Afghanistan's opium production jumped by nearly 50% in 2006 to a record 6,100 tonnes to supply more than 90% of the world's heroin. That was two years ago...

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/IB01Df03.html

A reading list:

* "Defrauding America" by Rodney Stich, which documents ongoing
CIA and DEA narcotics trafficking
* "White Lies: The CIA, Drugs and the Press" by Alexander Cockburn
and Jeffrey St. Clair on the long twisted history of CIA narcotics
trafficking and media coverups.
* "The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade"
by Alfred W. McCoy, which documents CIA sanctioned drug dealing since the Vietnam War.
* "Dark Alliance: The CIA, The Contras and the Crack Cocaine Explosion"
by Gary Webb, on the facts of CIA drug traffickers, which Hitz's
Inspector General report suppressed
* "The Big White Lie: The CIA and the Cocaine/Crack Epidemic" by
Michael Levine, a veteran DEA undercover agent for 25 years who
stumbled into CIA protected narcotics trafficking in South America.
* "Drugging America" by Rodney Stich, a former federal investigator
who documents decades of CIA drug trafficking and the phoney War on Drugs
* "Powderburns: Cocaine, Contras and the Drug War" by DEA agent
Celerino Castillo III and Dave Harmon who write about US Government
collaboration with drug smugglers.


“All war is based on deception.”
SUN TZU (Chinese general, military strategist and philosopher. The quote is from the Art of War, the oldest Military treatise on earth as written circa 500 B.C.)

“All wars are fought for money.”
SOCRATES (Greek scholar and founder of western philosophy 470-399 BC)

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» X-POLYGAMIST WIFE in ARIZONA Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE
If Barack Obama can't end the Afghan war, no American leader can
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Oct 10, 2008 2:07 AM   
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Ironically today, AOL News posted the following bulletin:

"Afghanistan Violence Worst Since 2001"

By PAMELA HESS

AP
WASHINGTON (Oct. 10) - The situation in Afghanistan now is the worst since the U.S.-led invasion of 2001 and the country is in danger of a "downward spiral" into violence and chaos, according to an intelligence report draft.

The nearly completed National Intelligence Estimate, the work of 16 intelligence agencies, says Afghanistan's deterioration has accelerated alarmingly in past two months. Bush administration officials say privately that Afghanistan is now the single most pressing security threat in the fight against terrorism.


In sum, ending the Afghan war will require visionary leadership by President Obama using nonpartisan military and foreign affairs experts, not the old Bush neocon, group-think gang McCain would rely upon.

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Let's just leave
Posted by: Hans B on Oct 10, 2008 2:17 AM   
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An excellent article. I spent some time in Afghanistan way back before the Soviet invasion, and even then, despite a pretty bad situation especially as regards women's rights, it was clear that Afghans weren't interested in the outside world, didn't want foreign influence, and certainly wouldn't work for foreign occupiers - except perhaps to undermine their efforts. I think it's no accident that a government propped up by foreign powers is corrupt: most honest Afghans wouldn't agree to work for them. This distrust of things foreign, which must be much stronger now than it was in the 1970s, hampers even the most well-meaning relief or reconstruction effort. Add to that the fact that even in the absence of foreigners, government in Afghanistan is traditionally the domain of the thieving minority of which the majority wants no part.

Therefore I think the best thing the West can do is pack up and leave.

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» RE: Let's just leave Posted by: raywigton
Fine piece of reporting
Posted by: Squarehead on Oct 10, 2008 3:04 AM   
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Fine piece of reporting. And scary.

I have this friend, works for the US in Afghanistan. His job? To engage in the eradication of opium poppy cultivation, by a variety of measures. But it never seemed possible to actually succeed in persuading farmers (often poor men) to enagage in the alternatives. The funds went elsewhere, to the more wealthy farmers. Or arrived too late, to influence the poppy growing.

Now my analysis of this is that some persons in the US bureaucracy preferred it that way. and further, that a significant number of American administrators must be corrupt. That they must receive some kind of reward (probably $) for helping to impede poppy destruction.

The people with a serious desire to keep drugs illegal, and to then maintain this illegal supply, are of course the organised crime families. And while they might have seemeed, in the past, to be more Italian-American than otherwise, things might be different now.

The involvement of government agents, from 40 years ago, in the events in SE Asia is well attested. e.g., Their shipment of heroin into continental USA. Those men have since passed thru the bureaucracy, have been employed in the wider private security apparatus, have been part of the corrupting process of the USA.

The illegal (recreational) drugs industry is probably worth more than $100 Billion per annum. The Heroin component of it maybe $10 Billion? ($10,000,000,000; A lot of dough)

The collateral? The pregnant women, the babies? The 'wrong man'? They are only poor brown people. And Muslim.

The people running it, and the people running your wars, really don't give a shit.

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Afghanistan
Posted by: Don Quixote on Oct 10, 2008 3:45 AM   
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The US and the West may be losing he Afghanistan war, but the men who started the Afghanistan war business are not interested in losing the business. They win all wars, including those their country loses, because their real country is money. See Zeitgeistmovie.com

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cruel american
Posted by: hall on Oct 10, 2008 3:52 AM   
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oh my god, reading these articles, it is more fairer if the afghans are given the chances to explode every houses in america. the american are cruel animals

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not just NATO bleeding to death
Posted by: DrXyzzy on Oct 10, 2008 4:25 AM   
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See DN! "The Forgotten War" and Bleeding Afghanistan.

As for the Bush getting us mired in the trap laid for the Russians by a previous U.S. president, there's interesting perspective in Dmitry Orlov's Closing the Collapse Gap and Reinventing Collapse.

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Candidates Are Both in Pocket of For-Profit Corporations
Posted by: 911FalseFlag on Oct 10, 2008 4:25 AM   
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Just like the debates in 2000 and 2004 presidential elections, the media is in the pocket of the military industrial oil central private banking complex, which supports the McCain/Palin ticket.

The media will spin in a positive light all of the lies put out by McCain and Palin. However, it does not matter who wins since Obama/Biden have sold out to the military industrial oil central private banking complex.

The fact that Obama/Biden say nothing about 9/11 being an inside job, the Federal Reserve Bank being the cause of the current financial crisis and every financial crisis prior to this one from 1913 on, Electronic voting machines being completely hackable both on the machine level and on the transmission of the precinct votes to the central tabulator and that this administration lied to attack Iraq.

Why none of these candidates can speak out is simple. They are all to varying degrees complicit with the cover-up of the above mentioned most pertinent problems in this country. If I know about these underlying causative problems, then they must know.

I think a reasonable response to the current situation would be for the populace to not vote in the election. Then whoever wins would not be a legitimately elected president.

Go to 911insidejob.net

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good vs cruel american
Posted by: hall on Oct 10, 2008 4:48 AM   
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hopefully there are still good americans who will put a stop to all these evil

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» RE: good vs cruel american Posted by: Basenjis
» RE: good vs cruel american Posted by: Turiye
For A New Afghanistan.
Posted by: Last Chance on Oct 10, 2008 5:02 AM   
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1. Destroy all the poppy fields and convert them to vegetable and grain crops.

2. Outlaw all forms of male supremacy and give each woman the right to decide if and when to birth her children.

3. Free Western education for everyone.

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» RE: fcuk your western education Posted by: diggerjoe77
Enemies
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Oct 10, 2008 5:25 AM   
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The U.S. is heading for its analogous moment without an enemy superpower in sight.

The enemies that the U.S. has needed to worry about are precisely the ones that President Eisenhower warned of, namely the military industrial complex.

The fact is that it has not been external enemies that have brought this country down but internal ones. It is the giant, now international, corporations and the neocon politicians who refused to restrain their growth and behavior. It is the media who have refused to inform the public and in this way have participated directly in the collapse of democracy. And it is the public that has grown soft and flabby, drinking beer and eating prepared foods in front of their televisions, not sufficiently alert to the decay of their society, their democracy and their environment.

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» RE: enemies Posted by: Turiye
Which one?
Posted by: RedFoxOne on Oct 10, 2008 6:14 AM   
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All I know is that when it boils down to Obama and McBush, Obama is clearly the LESSER of the two evils. Seems everything out of McBushes mouth lately is either made up as he goes along or is just an outright LIE. How can anyone trust a LIAR? makes no snese to me.

Jiffers
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but why you admire RICH people so much
Posted by: richholland on Oct 10, 2008 6:44 AM   
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Most of the americans are goodwilling honest people/

But it is GREED and FEAR that brings you to attack other countries, once you have good health insurence, vacation a decent minimum salary then forget about the Holy Flag and the need to bring your misery to others. Enjoy Life.

Rember Proudhon who said "propriete c est le vol. in plain american;
big possesions are theft.

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McCain's DIRTY LITTLE SECRET in Arizona
Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE on Oct 10, 2008 6:46 AM   
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How can McCain catch Bin Ladin if he can't stop the Taliban in his own backyard?!

Watch the video:

http://www.bankingonheaven.com/

BANKING ON HEAVEN . COM

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morally bankrupt
Posted by: jstepp590 on Oct 10, 2008 7:38 AM   
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I used to say we need to finish what we started in Afghanistan, that the Iraq war distracted us from the fight we should have been in. I no longer believe that, or at least my opinion has changed.

If our troops and American resources are being used to torture and snatch people from their homes like a bunch of scumbag mafiosos then our side is morally bankrupt. We have lost the moral high ground thanks to the Bush/Cheney administration and we need to leave, even if it is seen as a defeat. This is not the America I love, and if I saw it happen in front of me I would have no choice but to put a stop to it, even if it made me an enemy of my government. They would probably call ME a terrorist for following my moral, civic and religious duty for doing so.

If this is allowed to occur overseas, how long will it take for our government to bring that kind of behavior home with them? After they have perfected these techniques and trained the personnel in job lots to not only perform these actions but to see them as a viable solution to people they see as their opponenets, how long will it take before it is happening out of our own homes?

Oh God, how could my country have gone so wrong so fast? It is literally bringing me to tears.

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History repeats many times.
Posted by: colinmeister on Oct 10, 2008 7:40 AM   
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When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
So-oldier of the Queen!

Rudyard Kipling, "Young British Soldier" from Barrack-Room Ballads, 1892.

Why do those who start wars ignore the mistakes of the past?

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Germany
Posted by: jstepp590 on Oct 10, 2008 7:48 AM   
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I spent some time in Germany in the military and something always bothered me.

German people are good people, people just like us in the U.S. that I grew up with and lived with every day. I always used to wonder how such good people could be used and twisted into what we today recognize as the evil commited under fascism. How could such a great and good people be turned to the monstrous behavior attributed to their WW2 regime?

Now I am beginning to understand.

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A little experience can be dangerous!
Posted by: Karl.Ben on Oct 10, 2008 9:25 AM   
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So Obama will be the President Nixon of the democrat party. A plan to get us out by immersing us deeper. Did he not learn this history lesson?

Obama is reacting to what he thinks Americans want to hear, not what's best for the country. Like his other flip flops, this will be a disaster also.

We need to take a page out of the Israelis book and lay low, put a hit team together and assassinate Al Qaeda leaders one by one while getting back to repairing our country

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Ignorance is NOT Bliss!
Posted by: Basenjis on Oct 10, 2008 9:35 AM   
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It's a sad commentary on life at the beginning of a new century in the USA when a powerful and truthful article like this is not to be aired in every newspaper in the country. Anand Gopal has told us what every American most needs to know because the seeds of much of our current national woes first found life in our secret dealings in the Middle East. Now we are reaping the whirlwind and it threatens to destroy us both economically and spiritually.

I am a firm believer in the law of cause and effect. As ye sow, so shall you also reap. In the case of Iraq and Afghanistan, we have sowed a crop of tares, yet continue to expect a field of daffodils. It will never happen.

Until we learn that our words and our actions have consequences, we will continue to sink lower and lower into economic and moral bankruptcy with no possiblity of regaining the former prosperity and good will we once enjoyed.

I have been disappointed that neither of the two presidential candidates enjoying popular support have given us a promise of genuine change in our ways of dealing with foreign relations. We simply can't be a force for good in the world if we continue to attack and exploit smaller, defenceless countries, kill their citizens and leave their lands despoiled.


So why does Obama speak of dialogue with Iran and other "enemy" countries, yet suggest expanding the war against Afghanistan and even into Pakistan? That is simply not good enough. As for McCain, he is a hopeless, compromised, used-up and confused old warrior in a time that calls for new, peaceful and enlightened approaches to dealing with others. Haven't we learned even the basics yet?

Our leaders have made us a nation of secret meddlers in the inner affairs of other nations, all the while pretending our country is the best and the most generous and the most advanced in the world. This while saying that anyone who protests what is actually going on behind our backs is unpatriotic.

I have long believed that the national dialogue would be elevated to new heights if the most popular of the 3rd party candidates would be allowed to participate in the debates. Ralph Nader, like Ron Paul and Cynthia McKinney, has never been afraid to speak up on all of the taboo subjects and the inclusion in the presidential debates of these good, patriotic people would have added new insights and new ideas for fixing the problems. Yet huge numbers of dissatisfied voters have never been permitted to get to know what most of them stand for. All of these 3rd party candidates--and others, too--are anti-war and would bring that murky and uncomfortable subject out into the light of public scrutiny.

We continue to be our very own worst enemy.

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So, I guess the Taliban ruthlessly killing women and girls is no big deal
Posted by: Kym525 on Oct 10, 2008 9:35 AM   
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Obama spoke of ending genocide whenever and wherever it happens. What is happening to women--most recently the death of a high-ranking policewoman--and to girls constitutes as genocide. They're being brutally murdered for the "crime" of being female, or for some made-up version of the Koran. I'm sorry, but even the peace-lover in me sees a BIG problem that needs fixing and if diplomacy doesn't work, then kick their asses! The lives of women and girls are just as important.

McCain only cares about genocide when it happens in a country that we have "interests" in--so much for Rwanda, huh? No oil there, so who cared that 800,000 people lost their lives in the span of a year?

Yes, Obama is a bit more hawkish than before, but unlike McCain, at least he knows the right battles to fight and sober enough to know when.

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NATO & Afghanistan
Posted by: Archie1954 on Oct 10, 2008 9:51 AM   
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We are losing the occupation. This is an internal stuggle between several political factions in Afghanistan and we are outsiders. NATO has absolutely no business in that country. Afghanistan is not part of Europe. NATO's business concerns Europe. The US has no business there either. It will end up as the Soviet Union did, barely escaping with its tail between its legs. Death and destruction is the order of the day. Too many Afghanis have been massacred by occupation forces (read that as US forces since they do 95% of the killing since they are so good at it especially killing the little children). The US unfortunately will live to rue the day it decided to rule the world. Already the chickens are coming home to roost and the stench is becoming most foul (fowl).

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The UK Is No Longer a Tony Blair American Puppet
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 10, 2008 10:39 AM   
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We in the UK never wanted to get involved in all the Wars that Tony Blair sucked us into.

Tony Blair is a complete DISGRACE.

Our current Prime Minister George Brown has none of the magnetic eloquent sparkle of Tony Blair - in fact he is probably the most dull boring politician ever elected almost completely devoid of any feel good Charm. He's the sort of bloke you meet in the kitchen at a party and have a conversation about tomato sauce

But George Brown Played a Blinder This Week

He is a Complete and Utter Genius

I Realised he was quality when he screwed the Telecoms Companies out of £22.5BN for 3G licences

But what Darling Brown did this week was so phenomenal that only Very Few Economists in The World can appreciate the genius of it

He was actually batting for the UK, Europe and The World

Unlike Tony Blair who just liked taking it up the arse from America.

Paulson is a complete Disgrace

Paulson's Bailout plan was the most atrocious piece of Mafia Garbage ever - only finally approved because of Troops Already Deployed on the Streets and Very Real Threats of Marshall Law to the US Congress

Of Course it is all a Massive Card Game and most of the House of Cards have already fallen down

George Brown may be Dull and Without Charm but he was President of the Oxford Union or something roughly equivalent at the age of 16 - check wiki for the details

People have no idea how close we were to the edge of not being able to draw any money out of our bank accounts to buy a few carrots at our local Supermarket

Its a game of football between Europe and the US with the Rest of the World looking on with total amazement and massive sidebets

Of course the Yanks aren't finished yet

So expect yet another False Flag so That King George's Evil Red Reign Can continue

Thank God We got rid of Tony Blair or we would all be really Fucked

The Game is Still Running

Americans are not going to be happy

Anything could happen next - but we are lucky in Great Britain having George Brown as our Prime Minister at this moment in time

Tony

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» Who exactly is George Brown? Posted by: SimonSays
so the coward NATO ansd the americans cannot fight with even rag tag army .
Posted by: avatar_singh on Oct 10, 2008 10:58 AM   
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why does Russia not actively assist the taliban to kill the nato forces? afterall the soviet faced very well armed mujaeeden and cia bastards in afganistan. seeing how the americans have conducted war like barbarins itis duty of every v=citizen of the world to see that american and british soldiers donto leave afganistan alive-they msut be killed.
itis high time that ryussia stop being softy softy and pretending that west is anything but an aberration on the humanity and that anglosaxon race msut be killed and killed NOW.

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british bastrds the real villain of afganistan war and credit crisis msut be killed.
Posted by: avatar_singh on Oct 10, 2008 11:06 AM   
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Now thse british bastards through BBC are doing another propaganda. while they balied out htier nbanks-after first criticising Ireland for doing that-they said that they are now doing swedish model_after having critisied sweden in 90 for prtecting her economy. now the same british who were talking about swedish model has been giving [propaganda through BBC bastrdfs that thw world msut foolw the british model. first itis a swedish model by their own admission, second all thse ficnancial crisis is result of british orchestrated hedge funs and casyman island stationed stolen and drug money luandering lay which the britihs have always protected from regulation for europe.
now the same briths are claiaming that their way-complete opposite of what they have always been doing for last 40years-is the way!.
they try to take creedit for doing exactly opposite of what they preach.

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NOt a single Nato especially british troops must get out of afgansitan alive.
Posted by: avatar_singh on Oct 10, 2008 11:17 AM   
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Posted by: Ydotheyhateus on Jul 16, 2008 8:28 AM


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There was a point in Afghanistan's tortured history when the future looked bright, when a determined effort to lift the country and its people out of backward agrarian feudalism almost succeeded.

It began with the formation of the communist People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA) back in the sixties, which opposed the autocratic rule of King Zahir Shar. The growth in popularity of the PDPA eventually led to them taking control of the country in 1978, after a coup removed the former Kings' cousin, Mohammed Daud, from power.

The coup enjoyed popular support in the towns and cities, evidenced in reports carried in US newspapers. The Wall Street Journal, no friend of revolutionary movements, reported at the time that '150,000 persons marched to honour the new flagthe participants appeared genuinely enthusiastic.' The Washington Post reported that 'Afghan loyalty to the government can scarcely be questioned.

Upon taking power, the new government introduced a program of reforms designed to abolish feudal power in the countryside, guarantee freedom of religion, along with equal rights for women and ethnic minorities. Thousands of prisoners under the old regime were set free and police files burned in a gesture designed to emphasise an end to repression. In the poorest parts of Afghanistan, where life expectancy was 35 years, where infant mortality was one in three, free medical care was provided. In addition, a mass literacy campaign was undertaken, desperately needed in a society in which ninety percent of the population could neither read nor write.

The resulting rate of progress was staggering. By the late 1980s half of all university students in Afghanistan were women, and women made up 40 percent of the country's doctors, 70 percent of its teachers, and 30 percent of its civil servants. In John Pilger's 'New Rulers Of The World' (Verso, 2002), he relates the memory of the period through the eyes of an Afghan woman, Saira Noorani, a female surgeon who escaped the Taliban in 2001. She said: "Every girl could go to high school and university. We could go where we wanted and wear what we liked. We used to go to cafes and the cinema to see the latest Indian movies. It all started to go wrong when the mujaheddin started winning. They used to kill teachers and burn schools. It was sad to think that these were the people the West had supported."

Under the pretext that the Afghan government was a Soviet puppet, which was false, the then Carter Administration authorised the covert funding of opposition tribal groups, whose traditional feudal existence had come under attack with these reforms. An initial $500 million was allocated, money used to arm and train the rebels in the art in secret camps set up specifically for the task across the border in Pakistan. This opposition came to be known as the mujaheddin, and so began a campaign of murder and terror which, six months later, resulted in the Afghan government in Kabul requesting the help of the Soviet Union, resulting in an ill-fated military intervention which ended ten years later in an ignominious retreat of Soviet military forces and the descent of Afghanistan into the abyss of religious intolerance, abject poverty, warlordism and violence that has plagued the country ever since.

Brzezinski confirms: "Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a So

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We In ENGLAND Do Not Approve Of AMERICAN PORNOGRAPHY
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 10, 2008 11:26 AM   
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Trying to make WARS Appear Like Videogames

Trying To Make Women Appear Just As Just Sex Objects For Your Own Gratification

Trying To Make The Poorest People In The World Into Your SLAVES

We in ENGLAND Do Not Approve

And You Will Reap The Consequences Of The EVIL

You see -

Sure some of the Real EVIL Bastards Live in England - But We Have Already Identified THEM

In ENGLAND we have the most sophisticated surveillance system in the World

We know the identities of all the Real EVIL Bastards

You Know The Incredibly Powerful Cnuts Pulling All The Strings

We Invented the fcuking COMPUTER

Americans just did the Hollywood Movie and twisted all the facts based on their NAZI control inherited from GERMANY

Americans don't seem to realise that The English and Germans didn't want you here in EUROPE - because we didn't like you. We thought you were EVIL

Tony

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» It's obvious.......... Posted by: Karl.Ben
If You Want An EXAMPLE Of The COMPLETE DISGRACE OF AMERICA
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 10, 2008 11:53 AM   
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Just Do a Google Search

Of Free High Definition Pornography ( The Latest Best Possible Available To Anyone With An Internet Connection In The World )

If You Are a Bloke

You think

Oh Fucking Hell

I FEEL SICK

Tony

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An American Started Off RockCorps
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 10, 2008 12:35 PM   
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http://www.orangerockcorps.co.uk/

And it got my 17 Year Old Daughter Katy Working with a great team of mates cleaning up and repainting some of the poorest places in London for nothing.

The Reward was tickets to a Brilliant Live Music Concert in London at The Royal Albert Hall.

My Daughter Had Enormous FUN

Thank You

Tony

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A warehouse full of money
Posted by: PaulK on Oct 10, 2008 1:19 PM   
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That's what it takes in disposable income to have a disposable war, where you dispose of a million dumb farmers.

There's a problem. The U.S. borrowed the last warehouse full of money. The lenders want their money back. Borrowing the second warehouse full of money will require:

a. Please and thank you?

b. More likely no more credit, and pay back what you owe starting right now. The U.S. can't survive one year unless the lenders make accommodations.

So, what kind of war can we buy for $27.34 and a postage stamp? That's right, a fake war!

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My Wife and I Were In The Democratically Elected Communist State of Kerala India Earlier This Year
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 10, 2008 1:42 PM   
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In a Very Rural Part of India

And we met this tuk-tuk Driver

And he said I will take you to the local Temples

So we get in and it is a bit hairy cos some of the roads were really rough and unmade - The tuk-tuk had a motor -he wasn't pulling us - but basically it was a motorised ricksaw

And so He took us to His home

And introduced us to his Wife and Children and his Brother and his Mum and Dad and the machine that he used to make carpets from jute that was like a bicycle. Well it was a lot bigger than a bicycle but the machine was driven by someone peddling

And we Loved His Family - and his family really liked my Wife...

And so I guess we passed the test

And he took us for several miles to what is possibly the most amazing experience of our lives

It was an extremely enormous Hindu Festival in the depths of Rural India

My Wife and I are both White

And we Both Have Long Blonde Hair

And All The Children and The Mothers.....

It Was As If They Had Never Seen a White Person Before

And The Mothers Just Wanted Us To Touch Their Babies and Bless Them....

And It Was Just Completely Fucking Amazing.....

My Wife and I Are Not White Gods

We Come From Lancashire in England

We were literally thrown into a role without any idea of what to do but show the Utmost Respect and Love

We thought we were going to the local temples

So avatar singh

Has anything like that happeneed to you?

Or are you just an American?

Tony

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I am Currently Listening To a Live Radio Interview of a British Soldier Just Back
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 10, 2008 2:56 PM   
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From Afghanistan

He's Called Matt

Tony

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Matt Croucher is Just Saying It Live as If He Is Just a Character in a Computer Game
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 10, 2008 3:05 PM   
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And yet he is completely real.

He jumped on a Grenade to save his mates and survived...

Now I couldn't Give a Fuck About Any Fucking Enemy - I Want Guys Like Matt on My Side

FUCK ME

This is Live on UK NATIONAL Radio

Young ENGLISH Soldiers Telling The TRUTH


Tony

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So What The Fuck Was Matt And His Dead and Mutilated Mates Doing in Afghanistan?
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 10, 2008 3:12 PM   
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He says its cos he really fancies Well Educated Afghan Girls and likes to see their Faces and Not Being Controlled By The CIA Controlled Taliban and Northern Alliance - and He Also Like Russian Girls

And He Did What He Did For "The Lads He Was With"

And he had great faith in his body armour and helmet

I mean for fucks sake

This Guy is For Real - He Really Did Risk Almost Complete and Utter Certain Death To Save The Life Of His Fellow Soldiers

I Can't Argue With That

Tony

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Afghanistan Is A Trap
Posted by: penobscotdziekuje@yahoo.com on Oct 10, 2008 3:19 PM   
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I am fed up with our government. If the U.S.A. were bombed like Afghanistan, and our loved ones were interwoven with rubble, would we like that? Well, journalists aren't showing you the graphic pictures, lest we turn away from from our favorite TV shows to move further away from reality.
Well, "my friends", as McCain likes to retort, Obama claims they are plotting to "kill Americans." After reading this article, it's easy to form a conclusion. You'd be furious, too if you saw your loved one's head ripped off by a bomb dropped from 30,000 feet. There's no defense against that. And from a Elvis Presley song, we're "caught in a trap that I can't walk out-".
And like Iraq the longer we stay the longer it itakes to eradicate ourselves from the trap. Obama wants to walk right into it without conviction. Is he blind? If he wants to "protect" us, he ought to do something about the CIA, gang violence, militia groups and other zany clowns out here with access to weapons. Gang violence claims more Yanks than any member of the Taliban has done since 2001. Want proof? Visit a hospital and talk to doctors. No politician can protect us from homegrown violence. That NEEDS to be our focus. And lastly, we need desperately to redo our foreign policy goals and objectives to prevent the deaths of Americans abroad and to reduce our reliance on the military as political instrument.
I hope Obama will get a hold of this article and let him know how Afghanistan is fighting for its very life. Killing more people will not solve any problems. Every government knows that except us. We are in decline.

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Obama foriegn policy = McCain foreign policy
Posted by: centure7 on Oct 10, 2008 4:00 PM   
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Obama is such a terrible leader it is sad. Any actual human being with something more than sawdust in between their ears knows we can't afford all this ridiculous military spending.

What will Obama do about it? He won't do @#$% about it because he is just too stupid and too much of a coward. And not that McCain is any better.

We have troops in what 150 countries? And Obama is talking about withdrawing them from lets see here oh thats right ZERO. He won't even pull our troops out of Iraq that stupid SOB I'd literally bet every penny I have he has no plans to do that. He can't do 1 in 150 because thats just not in the ridiculous, foolish, nonsensical, and insane Nazi-like plan for powerhungry world domination that Obama absolutely supports.

All you who think Obama is going to reduce our military spending by more than 15% over his four years are deluding your selves.

Obama voted for the patriot act and that alone makes him a traitor to the country just like McCain. I'd want them to be punished for it except us Americans are so damned stupid we are unaware we are supposed to kick out politicians who do a trashy job.

Approval rating for congress is what 15%? And guess what almost every single congress person who runs for re-election is going to be re-elected, because Americans are so stupid they can't think... oh, this guy is doing a bad job I'll vote him out. Instead they think... oh I'm republican so I'll vote Republican or "oh this guy sounds good on TV". Stupid fellow Americans are killing capitalism and killing Democracy. They don't research who to vote for. They don't vote out bad leaders. Americans are to blame. And Obama is an idiot who won't make a damned difference at all. Zero difference. Zero change. More debt. More garbage federal programs which are absolutely monolithic and ridiculous because they should obviously all be done at more local levels.

I have no problem with state social programs but you are all fools to want such huge beasts that are driving our country to bankruptcy. Sorry but socialism is not a job for federal government and you are all as Americans dooming yourself to Orwellian hell for supporting not only federal social programs but even global ones.

The biggest point I'm making is that its an absolute outrage that their is only one(1) member of congress who is outspoken about returning all troops to America from overseas and Obama sure as hell isn't that one person.

Obama voted for the Patriot Act and never regrets it. McCain voted for the Patriot Act and never regrets it. Obama won't pull *ALL* our troops out of Iraq. McCain won't pull *ALL* our troops out of Iraq. Obama will never set a withdraw timetable Iraq. McCain will never set a withdraw timetable for Iraq.

1. Obama = McCain and anyone who thinks any other way is deluding them self.

2. Americans are dooming them self to an Orwellian hell and its their own fault and has nothing to do with capitalism and everything to do with ignorance in voting and being a bad citizen and bad American in voting.

3. Small scale socialism is time tested to work. Large scale socialism is time tested to FAIL every time.

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Real Villain english race must be tackled and removed.
Posted by: avatar_singh on Oct 10, 2008 4:21 PM   
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31st jan.2007.
What so called democracy really mean for the rapacious anglosaxon race(yes it is a race war by parasitic Anglo-Saxons against the rest of the world)


it is very important to realize and understand the trickery of the english race in manipulating usa to wage wars on behalf of britain which gains most from Iraq war and any war that usa imposes on the third world and even on Europe.

Here are some of the writings done years ago to give a global picture of what is REALLY happening in the world and by WHOSE agency.
The modus operandi of Britain is to make country and regions unstable and install british stooge with explicit instruction to bring the money -looted ones -to Britain from where it is not going to go anywhere else.
Some oligarch Jews (like thee criminal U.K.-based fugitive oligarch Boris Berezovsky)
were the stooge of British in Russia and they brought so many ill gotten money to uk. So did the Kuwaitis-who brought 4 billions of pounds within a week of first Iraq war problem in august 1990 -so has continued the massive loot of the rest of the world by the English .race through this money protection racket . It is money protection racket in the sense that those eliete’s money is protected only when it is made to be lodged in British London banks. The witness, who appeared on the Rossiya channel with his face hidden and was referred to as Pyotr, accused 61-year-old Berezovsky of killing Alexander Litvinenko because the former security officer knew how the exiled tycoon had obtained political asylum in Britain in 2003. This thief boris berezosvky is a terrorist as well who calls for violet end to Putin-the president who is one of the most loved of his countrymen compared to any in the world.
As someone said “We live in a world where criminals are good guys and patriots are villains: where Berezovsky is a liberal "human rights" activist and Putin is a moral monster.” that putin who is one of the most popular leader of any in the world.
say even if russia destroys usa then if britian or rather england is allowed to exist then the english parastic dog race will ,by very parasitic nature, will try to disrupt russia or other countries' existence. therefore instead of attacking usa or poland it is best policy of russia to attrack and destroy to the whole of england which must be evaporated to a rubble.
IN '88 when Dalai lama, at the height of Tibetan disturbances, visited west, the then british prime minister refused to meet Him. Later on with the demise of Russia and usefulness of China gone and with manipulation to keep power in Hong Kong somehow intact, the same british media and government ,like dog, started barking at China. It is interesting that amnesty international selectively targets those very countries( as it did china after cold war) who are out of favour (because they would not be a british stooge) of the british media and govt. This is not surprising as amnesty international is the creation of british govt, and british media. england with the most appalling record of human rights in last 200 years of her evil rule, needed some organisation to keep the others from charging england off her past and current evil practices. In other words it went for aggressive posture in propaganda war so that others can be demoralized and stopped from pointing out the real evil which is england. That is why amnesty international is one armour of the british lies to exploit the rest of the world. Amnesty international must be ignored and an independent human watchdog (which england will simply ignore) created. One purpose of amnesty international is to create an atmosphere for hatred towards the would be victims of british exploitation so that a victim could be blamed to have deserved the consequences.

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Maybe I Should Point Out That My Girlfriend And I Went To STONEHENGE FREE FESTIVAL
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 10, 2008 4:37 PM   
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in 1982 when I had been unemployed for over 6 months and had almost completely given up hope of ever being employed again

And we borrowed her sisters little tent and had hardly any money

It cost NOTHING to get in and stay for as long as you wanted to

But we went for about 3 or 4 days around the SUMMER SOLSTICE

And got ENGAGED to Be Married at STONEHENGE

And So I bought her a Diamond Ring at Preston's of Bolton that I couldn't Really Afford

And Our Two Kids Are Getting Nearly As Old As We Were Then

And We Want To Be GrandParents

And The New Crop Has Just Been Harvested and it is rather Good

Tony

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british propaganda as to why the british bastards are there in afganistan-IN BBC
Posted by: avatar_singh on Oct 10, 2008 5:06 PM   
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http://www.antiwar.com/pilger/?articleid=13444


September 11, 2008
A Murderous Theater of the Absurd


Try to laugh, please. The news is now officially parody and a game for all the family to play.

First question: Why are "we" in Afghanistan? Answer: "To try to help in the country's rebuilding program." Who says so? Huw Edwards, the BBC's principal newsreader. What wags the Welsh are.

Second question: Why are "we" in Iraq? Answer: To "plant a western-style open democracy." Who says so? Paul Wood, the former BBC defense correspondent, and his boss Helen Boaden, director of BBC News. To prove her point, Boaden supplied Medialens.org with 2,700 words of quotations from Tony Blair and George W Bush. Irony? No, she meant it.

Take Andrew Martin, divisional adviser at BBC Complaints, who has been researching Bush's speeches for "evidence" of noble democratic reasons for laying to waste an ancient civilization. Says he: "The 'D' word is not there, but the phrase 'united, stable and free' [is] clearly an allusion to it." After all, he says, the invasion of Iraq "was launched as 'Operation Iraqi Freedom'." Moreover, says the BBC man, "in Bush's 1 May 2003 speech (the one on the aircraft carrier) he talked repeatedly about freedom and explicitly about the Iraqi transition to democracy ... These examples show that these were on Bush's mind before, during and after the invasion."

Try to laugh, please.

Laughing may be difficult, I agree, given the slaughter of civilians in Afghanistan by "coalition" aircraft, including those directed by British forces engaged in "the country's rebuilding program." The bombing of civilian areas has doubled, along with the deaths of civilians, says Human Rights Watch. Last month, "our" aircraft slaughtered nearly 100 civilians, two-thirds of them children between the ages of three months and 16 years, while they slept, according to eyewitnesses. BBC television news initially devoted nine seconds to the Human Rights Watch report, and nothing to the fact that "less than peanuts" (according to an aid worker) is being spent on rebuilding anything in Afghanistan.

As for the notion of a "united, stable and free" Iraq, consider the no-bid contracts handed to the major western oil companies for ownership of Iraq's oil. "Theft" is a more truthful word. Written by the companies themselves and US officials, the contracts have been signed off by Bush and Nouri al-Maliki, "prime minister" of Iraq's "democratic" government that resides in an air-conditioned American fortress. This is not news.

Try to laugh, please, while you consider the devastation of Iraq's health, once the best in the Middle East, by the ubiquitous dust from British and US depleted uranium weapons. A World Health Organization study reporting a cancer epidemic has been suppressed, says its principal author. This has been reported in Britain only in the Glasgow Sunday Herald and the Morning Star. According to a study last year by Basra University Medical College, almost half of all deaths in the contaminated southern provinces were caused by cancer.

Try to laugh, please, at the recent happy-clappy Nurembergs from which will come the next president of the United States. Those paid to keep the record straight have strained to present a spectacle of choice. Barack Obama, the man of "change," wants to "build a 21st-century military... to stay on the offensive everywhere." Here comes the new Cold War, with promises of more bombs, more of the militarized society with its 730 bases worldwide, on which Americans spend 42 cents of every tax dollar.

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In the meantime, Justin Webb, the BBC's North America editor, has launched a book about America, his "city on a hill." It is a sort of Mills & Boon view of the rapacious system he admires with such obsequiousness.

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In The Indian Ocean Where All Nationailies From All Over The World Have Crab Races
Posted by: opmoc on Oct 10, 2008 5:21 PM   
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After The Diving....

It is Complete Fair

The Crabs are chosen at random from the Beach

And sure there is a bit of betting

And maybe the crabs might get a spot of colour on their shells

And it is very intense and we all cheer for our national crab

But after it is all over

The crabs just walk back to the beach and get on with their lives doing what crabs do

Tony

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So who is talking about the private army?
Posted by: vsargis on Oct 11, 2008 6:13 PM   
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What about the Black Water deal that is murkying it up for the soldiers even more? I hear reports from people who are serving there that the private army is not accountable to any one and they commit all kind of atrocities against the locals with impunity. The locals cannot distinguish between the real soldiers and the over paid pretend soldier thugs when they plot and carry out revenge. The private army makes life even more difficult for our soldiers.

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Jayd
Posted by: jayds on Oct 15, 2008 6:54 PM   
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How can America be wrong so many times? Iran with the Shah, Vietnam, and now Afghanistan. Look at history. The Afghans, particularly the Pashtuns have never been defeated. They faught Alexander to a halt (he died of illness over there), the British to a halt, chased the USSR away, and now these stupid Americans think they can win over there?
No one can win in Afghanistan. They should get out when they can.

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