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Meltdown and Bailout: Why Our Economic System Is on the Verge of Collapse

By Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted September 22, 2008.


Bush wants to fleece us for hundreds of billions in the financial crisis, but that's just the first layer of a more fundamental economic problem.

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The immediate cause of our financial meltdown is unchecked, unbridled greed. Mainstream newspapers and the business press are doing a fairly good job of explaining how the lack of regulatory oversight led us into this nightmare.

But you have to dig down one layer to find the cause of that situation. Under cover of the ideological euphemism known as the "free market" and with enormous cash investments over the past four decades, business elites have captured the regulatory organs of powerful democratic states -- nowhere more so than the United States -- and promoted their own narrow economic agendas for short-term gain.

There's an enormous amount of discussion about that in the independent media. But to drill down a layer deeper, to the bedrock of the crisis, you have to go to some deep thinkers who don't get much play in our mainstream economic discourse.

As foreign policy analyst Mark Engler notes in his new book, How to Rule the World, declining returns on traditional investments in manufacturing and industry since the 1970s go a long way toward explaining today's highly speculative economy -- pushing capital into developing countries and into bubble after speculative bubble in search of a better profit margin.

It's important to understand what's going on at all three levels, because we may have come to a fork in the road, a point at which the decisions made now may determine the future of the global economy.

We may or may not also be on the verge of another Great Depression.

The Bush Bailout: Privatizing Gains and Socializing Risk

On Saturday, hoping to stave off that dark possibility, the Bush administration proposed an unprecedented bailout for investors, a scheme that would authorize the Treasury Department to spend as much as $700 billion in tax dollars over the next two years to buy up bad securities, with little Congressional oversight save for a semiannual report on the process.

The move came after the federal government had already sunk a total of $900 billion into America's financial institutions this year, potentially bringing the total value of the Fed's tinkering to $1.6 trillion over three years.

The White House, Congressional leaders and Treasury officials are haggling over the details. Things are moving quickly, with a mammoth intervention that was unspeakable in economic circles a month ago now looking more and more inevitable.

The structure of the proposed bailout may change during those negotiations -- Democrats in Congress are pushing to save more homeowners and tie the package to some sort of limits on CEO pay for institutions that get a lifesaver -- but the deal outlined in the brief document released on Sept. 20 epitomizes the principle of privatizing gains while socializing risk. In other words, we're splitting an oil well with the Big Boys on Wall Street: They get the oil, we get the shaft.

It is, in short, a draft of what could be one of the greatest rip-offs in history. Bush, on the way out of power, is trying to create a publicly financed honeypot for the private sector on a scale never before imagined.

Those who played fast and loose with newer, ever shakier investment instruments in order to squeeze a few more bucks out of the markets' "irrational exuberance" about the housing sector would get a payday that would save their bacon. According to the New York Times, this huge pile of taxpayers' cash may even be available to foreign investors.

Home prices would continue to tank, though, as banks shed their bad loans at discounted prices to the government. Those subsidized assets would then be liquidated -- on the cheap because they're so overvalued -- to resuscitate the financial system. Rick Sharga, a senior officer with RealtyTrac, which monitors the housing market, told Reuters, "We've seen fewer and fewer properties go through the auction process because there's either little equity in them or even negative equity. So there's no incentive for people to buy them at the auctions."

Sharga added that "bank repossessions continue to grow at a pretty rapid clip," but an analyst told me recently that he knew of banks that simply weren't taking possession of foreclosed properties because they didn't want them on their balance sheets.


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We Must Stop This Bailout ... It Is Disaster Capitalism !
Posted by: mmckinl on Sep 22, 2008 1:01 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Call, email, fax and /or write Washington DC ... Do it Today before they pass this bailout on the tax payers backs ...

Find Your Senators and Representative by Zip Code

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» Like Italy under Mussolini Posted by: citizenjoe
» RE: Like Italy under Mussolini Posted by: nochicagoboys
» Goldman Sachs gets a woody Posted by: weathered
» Beg to differ Posted by: Dboy
It is too late ...
Posted by: skoog5600 on Sep 22, 2008 3:36 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
... to do anything about this. The general populace is so out of touch and no longer has a voice that there is in fact nothing that can be done other than to buckle up and wait for the crash and burn.

The reality is that the US is like a drug addict, and until it hits bottom "REAL" change will not occur. So it is best to wait until the crash and burn occurs and hope you don't take too big a hit on your lifestyle, but I suspect most will and are already feeling it. Then once the smoke clears start rebuilding your life.


Good luck!

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» How About Something New And Good? Posted by: Last Chance
» RE: How About Something New And Good? Posted by: nochicagoboys
» Labor Credits Posted by: Last Chance
» RE: It is too late ... Posted by: Godfather89
We who?
Posted by: Teller on Sep 22, 2008 3:54 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Will we...we should...we must. Who's we, man? I'll tell you who's we. It's all us at highway rest stops, bloated, distracted and loud. We run on fear and hate and we hate blacks, browns and gays and we're voting for McCain because he does too and also because Palin's hot.

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» The UGLY American! Posted by: eeezzz
the American people are too confused, distracted or lazy to look up from their TV sets
Posted by: blogoffanddie on Sep 22, 2008 4:07 AM   
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Thank God we still have socialism for the rich. How would they make the payments on their multi-million dollar mansions and Mercedes’ without a little helping hand from Joe Middle Class American Taxpayer. Like you, I often worry for the rich too.

The American Dream is failing because the American Dream has become the world's nightmare. Until the American people learn this truth, nothing will change in America.

After years of bombardment from the mainstream media, the American populace has been dumbed-down and programmed to ignore the substance, realities and the issues of the world around them, and focus on the peripheral, pointless and more often than not, irrelevant sideshows created by a news media, government and economic system full of hucksters, corporate bootlickers and suck-ups.

America has become a circus and a nation of voyeurs and peeping Toms. It is slowly devolving into a mindless freak show that millions of simpletons can watch every night on their TV's.

As a result, the American people are too confused, distracted or lazy to look up from their TV sets to see or do anything about the destruction that is taking place.

http://blogoffanddie.wordpress.com

So long Dubya, we'll always have debt and Guantanamo

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Burn, Baby, BURN! No Bailouts for Wall Street!
Posted by: Ottomatic on Sep 22, 2008 4:11 AM   
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The same Corporate Stooges that caused this Problem are trying to
Throw Gasoline on the Fire!
A 1,000 Billion Dollars for
A few WALL STREET Tycoons?

Bush said we were broke!
Vetoed giving 19 Billion Dollars to provide Health Care for 35 Million Poor Kids.
Is that Fair and Balanced?
Give the money directly to the people,save the struggling American families losing their homes by dropping their interest rates and forgiving their debt.
That's bottom up Economics:
For and by the People!
Start over.
Capitalism is a Failure.
Anything Based on Greed must FAIL!
Greed will screw you every time.
It is a negative Human Trait.
The Corporations have Plundered long enough.
Time to spend our money wisely on rebuilding America instead of
Lining their Pockets!
Stop the War!
Bring the Militia Home.
Become:
Self: Reliant, Sufficient and Efficient.
That's Freedom!
Go Local,
Go Now,
Go Big!

Surge
Purge
Update and
REBOOT!

Time to start over in a Totally New Direction The BUSH/Cheney/McCain Administration is a Total Failure.
All the Lies, Torture, Spying, Stealing, Secrecy, Dying and for what?
So they can Steal everything we own and mortgage America's future?

They made their Bed,
Let them Sleep in it!
Greed is Evil.
They are Evil!
They are corrupt.
Their Allegiance is to Their Class:
The Corporate Aristocracy!
Billionaires-R-US.
We have a totally different set of values.

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» RE: Right On Posted by: phoolish
WWIII begins at home!
Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Sep 22, 2008 4:30 AM   
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Congress MUST IMMEDIATELY: demand the resignations of Bush, Cheney, Paulson, Bernanke instanter or prosecute them for high crimes and misdemeanors; reject Paulson/Bush bail out plan without debate; repeal Gramm-Leach-Bliley of 1999 and reinstate Glass-Steagall of 1939; stop all war funding; immediately start troop withdrawals from Iraq and Afghanistan; cease all meddling in Iran, Pakistan and North Korea; let the goddam "free marker" capitalism system fail as it should have failed a near century ago; THEN AND CHISEL THIS ONE IN MARBLE...RUN THE GODDAM REPUBLICANS INTO THE POLLUTED WATERS OFF THE NEW JERSEY COASTLINE AND LET THE SHARKS FEED ON THEM! After that, to hell with Obama and McCain, let's elect a Congress that will do and stand for something and let us ride roughshod over and kick the shit out of any that do not understand governance of, by and for the people! WWIII is at hand and the first shots must be fired at home.

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» Self-Reliance Begins At Sunrise. Posted by: Last Chance
» RE: WWIII begins at home! Posted by: nochicagoboys
Fraud, on a massive scale.
Posted by: Lauren on Sep 22, 2008 4:32 AM   
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Instead, Bush's proposal would take bad paper off the books of institutions that are ailing but haven't yet gone belly-up, and we wouldn't necessarily get a stake in those institutions; they'd only become "financial agents of the government," according to the draft released Saturday.

Why isn't this pig called a pig? You can call a pig a whore and put lipstick on it, but why would you want to...

Let's call this 'bail out' what it is, fraud. Fraud and money laundering. When we look at this activity as a conspiracy to defraud us, we have to look more closely at what is going on.

Anger - one letter short of danger, solution? Delay. But the brakes on this deal, the Wall street is not the most important thing, getting a grip on the housing situation is. The banks are doing everything bad to make it worse, they should be forced to deal with the people, let them keep their homes.

This plan is fraud on the largest scale EVER. A fire sale of dispossessed properties created a dependent class forever. The capitalists will rinse and repeat again and again until there is no middle class, all rich and slaves.

I think the bail out is running real fast in the WRONG direction. Don''t let them do it. They are all fools or corrupt and trying to ruin us.

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Beware LABELS -- they Mean NOTHING Under FASCISM
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Sep 22, 2008 4:47 AM   
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Okay, a few basics...

GW Bush and even his regime are not the core force behind this latest extortion racket bailout of what amounts to a Fascist economy. In case anyone hasn’t noticed yet, Bush can barely read a teleprompter without serious, devoted daycare. That does not mean Bush/Cheney and their assorted surface cronies are not criminals, however.

“Capitalism” with its free markets and competition does not exist anymore than “socialism” does with its collectivist rule. Sorry, but these are decoy labels meant to confuse and divide the gullible.

As I’ve said, what certainly does exist is Fascism via parasite organized corporate crime rule that has palmed off one Ponzi scheme over the next so that the economy of the globe is based on no more than a house of cheap smoke and mirrors designed to enrich monopoly corporate freeloaders at the bubbles of boom-bust contrived cycles and “socialize” the losses when unavoidable crashes come.

Put another way, insider Fascists grow rich for the pre-cooked bubbles and rape all Americans on the public nickel for planned crashes.

The practical reality and ground zero for this con is the giant private Ponzi trap “Federal Reserve” Corp (never federal and minus no reserves) built to soak wealth from the public as a virtual giveaway to the super-privileged.

It has gotten far worse, of course: about $1,240,000,000,000,000 worse at a bare minimum.

Insiders Paulson (ex CEO Goldman Sachs) and Bernanke are actually defending an over QUADRILLION dollar ($1,240 Quadrillion or over $1000 TRILLIONS) derivates casino style Wall Street bubble at what amounts to almost 20 times the entire earth’s global GDP (Bank of International Settlements figure). This is complete insanity where a write-down of 10% of the amount would bankrupt the U.S. and several other nations in a heartbeat. But the truth is, Organized Corporate Crime rule has already broken the globe. The criminals now want to putsch the results of all that greed and private free-spending onto a more or less naïve public.

The other reality is that “capitalism” whatever its faults, was never the villain. A system this demented could only exist outside so-called “democracy” and “capitalism” for distraction tags that are meant to decoy the real issue way, way off the table.

The actual issue is FASCISM at the merger of state under criminal corporate monopoly power for what our latest hijack and power grab is all about.

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CASH FOR EQUITY NOT PAPER
Posted by: Peter Mackrael on Sep 22, 2008 4:56 AM   
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The US Congress is currently under pressure to pass Paulson’s $700 billion bail-out proposal.

If any company is given federal assistance, the US government should receive equity in the company, otherwise any massive cash infusion will merely reward those banks that got deepest in debt. Buying their worthless paper makes no sense. There is no clear method to evaluate the paper to be 'bought' and worst of all, no regulations to address the real cause or to investigate possible criminal activity. Buying this worthless paper without enforcing new regulations will merely encourage continued derivatives trading and increase the total debt. If this occurs, does anyone believe that $700 billion will be enough? I expect total bail-out costs could run into the tens of trillions if foreign banks are included.

On the other hand, government ownership will ensure that future profits (if any) are returned to the people and that new regulations to manage derivatives trading - assuming Congress writes them - are followed. If and when these banks become profitable and socially responsible, they can be sold back to private investors.

Further, I do not trust Paulson and the Bush administration to administer this huge 'bail-out/buy-out'. As with the war in Iraq, I fear that most of this money will go to political allies and cronies.

A separate bi-partisan committee/agency should be created to assess other alternatives. One possible alternative is to buy these failing banks at their current market value. All purchases should be subject to review and approval by Congress. If any bank rejects a government buy-out, then perhaps a cash infusion might be offered but with severe restrictions on its’ use.

I believe it is highly likely that conspiracy to defraud and outright fraud has occurred - and will continue to occur - with respect to this 'rescue' plan. Who will investigate fraud/conspiracy and when will these investigations begin? Will any Wall Street fraudsters go to jail?

The current approach uses "fear of imminent financial collapse and appeals to the need for public sacrifice" combined with a rush to push a "clean" bill through a Congress distracted by “how to protect the interests of homeowners facing foreclosure”, without allowing adequate time for assessment. This reminds me of the method that Bush used to pass the bill to authorize the invasion of Iraq. Paulson's initial proposal will give the Bush administration incredible power to privatize profits while socializing the losses!

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The American Public Supports The Status Quo
Posted by: bryangalt on Sep 22, 2008 5:21 AM   
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As much as I agree with what I've read here today concerning the wafer-thin justifications for helping the super rich get even richer, what the true fundamentals of the problem are comes down to this: Joe Six-Pack.

Who is Joe Six-Pack? Well, he is the guy that voted for Bush/Cheney and will vote for McCain too. Jane Six-Pack is out there also. And lets not forget about those folks who only 'think' that they have money. I watched a middle aged woman drive by with a McCain-Palin sticker on her 2007 Lincoln windshield and laughed.

If that's all you can afford lady, you shouldn't be supporting Mr. I've-got-ten-houses so screw the rest of you.

Yes, it's the vast collection of American's who have simply settled down into their little routines of running the kids around, getting the BBQ ready on Saturday's, watching football on Sundays that have let the wolves into the corral. Anyone that didn't take time to cast a FRACKING vote is to blame, because silent approval is just as powerful as the voted kind.

The $700 billion dollars should be used to help people keep their homes without a doubt, not because they deserve to keep them. It's obvious that they bit off more than they could chew too and a little bit of keeping up with the Jones' set in making them forget the fine print still exists.

The fact that our greedy, narcissistic society deserves to get knocked down a few pegs shouldn't put people into the streets. But, it should definitely put the people that engineered this mess into the streets. I wouldn't shed a tear if a few of those high priced CEO's took that final leap out of their high-rises like they did in 1929. Those guys I can respect. They screwed everyone, got screwed themselves and they took responsibility for their actions and saved the country alot of money by not bailing them out.

Thomas Jefferson said this: I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies…if the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency...the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent that their fathers conquered.”

Looks like he was as smart as advertised.

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what's a few hundred billion dollars among friends, right?
Posted by: charles000 on Sep 22, 2008 5:27 AM   
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Let's see, on Friday, we heard the banking quagmire bailout was only a mere $180 billion - such a bargain!

But then, yesterday, this purported bailout suddenly became $700 billion - well, that sounds a bit more serious, but what the hell, what's a few hundred billion dollars among friends, right?

But then, today, we're starting to hear numbers like 1.2 trillion, maybe 1.8 trillion dollars???

Well, hey, when you start talking trillions, now you're talking serious money , , , maybe?

No doubt you may have an additional opinion or two . . . but at this point, I don't think anyone knows what the hell is really going on, and that is my serious, honest opinion

Or, to put it another way:
Bend over everyone - incoming, deep and hard.

Most ordinary folks with a pulse and an IQ above that of a bacteria knew that the excrement was about to hit the high compression blower . . . but even I have to admit, this is beyond seriously deep doodoo we're now in.

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A New Dictator?
Posted by: writerman on Sep 22, 2008 5:36 AM   
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Paulson as Treasury Secretary is demanding powers to oversee the financial system which ammount to ditatorial powers. Do we really want to put so much power in the hands of one man?

One could argue that Paulson will emerge as the most powerful man in the US republic, a kind of unelected, position of power to rival that of the president.

It's like the financial elite want their very own president, leader, protector; because they don't trust Bush to do the job himself.

Concentrating so much economic power in Paulson, has profound political and social implications. Paulson is demanding that his actions be above the law and not subject to redress or scrutiny in the courts. Doesn't this sound like a economic version of Bush's theory that the President, in his role as commander in chief, is also above the law?

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Can we say "October Surprise" in September?
Posted by: rancespergl on Sep 22, 2008 6:05 AM   
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I am convinced that this $700 billion "bail-out" they're trying to ramrod down our throats is, in fact, the October Surprise we've all been anticipating.

What a way to clog the airwaves before the election, eh?

It doesn't so much damage Obama as keeps our eyes off of McCain/Palin.

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Can someone help me out?
Posted by: Von on Sep 22, 2008 6:09 AM   
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In that article the author states that 700 billion "tax dollars" will (may) be used for this bail out ( I call it a government take over but...).

One question I have is; why is this money being called our "tax dollars"? Are'nt our "tax dollars" already used up by paying interests on money borrowed and to the Federal Reserve and already in the red?

And WHY are we always turning to the governemnt for help and protection? Isn't that like asking a thief that just robbed you to please return what they just stolen because they had a change of heart??

In the last two days here on Alternet I have read articles where one is wanting the government to fix this situation and the other is calling the money our "tax dollars".

Wouldn't it be nice that come next Labor Day, millions and millions of us go to Washington DC and show them we are ready and willing to take over OUR RESPONSIBILTIES to have our OWN government and not some damned mutated fascist/capitalistic corporatocricy?

We are the laughing stock of the World as we claim we have a democracy for and by the People, that we have rights and priveledges and the persuits of happiness and a sound and moral justice system.

We set here year after year after year and just keep getting robbed. I recall Bush talking to a woman in front of a large group of people and he had a microphone in his hand. The woman told him and the audience that she works 2 jobs ( maybe it was 3 ) and Bush interrupted and said something along the lines of how she was a great, hard working American because she has more than 1 job. WTF??

She has more than 1 job because she is forced to work her ass off to try to make ends meet..not because she enjoys it and being away from her family.

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» RE: Can someone help me out? Posted by: Last Chance
» RE: Can someone help me out? Posted by: Last Chance
Fascism, then and now
Posted by: citizenjoe on Sep 22, 2008 6:16 AM   
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Robert Scheer was on Democracy Now this morning. He made a very good point about the government talking the peoples money to bail-out the owners of great capital in the past. He said, correctly, that is what Mussolini did in Italy when depression came to that county. Yes indeed, the use of government to help capitalists out of depression at the cost of the peoples money with no control by the people is one of the corner-stones of fascism. "But no we don't have fascism until the police start rounding everybody up as they so please." Sorry, that sort of thing was needed to make the corporate state and empire work when capitalism was relatively puny as compared to today. What we see is fascism in a much richer and more passive country. It isn't coming; it is here and both Democrats and Republicans are part of this war-mongering corporate state--

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» Bastille Day for the USA Posted by: hurricane hugo
» Documentation on fascism Posted by: citizenjoe
Dictator Bush
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Sep 22, 2008 6:29 AM   
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Isnt it sad how Dictator Bush has been so consumed with Global Domination that he has completely forgotten about the US itself and the Sheeple. How pathetic. God help us all if his little "mini-me" McBush wins in November.

Jiff
Ultimate Anonymity

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NO
Posted by: Patriot Acting on Sep 22, 2008 6:31 AM   
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They need to just leave it alone, I don't have stock for a reason. You should not trust other people with your money. Let them bail themselves out. But I'm sure it is hard to think clearly with the sun getting in their eyes all the time while sitting on the deck of their yacht. God forbid if they were to sell thier yacht and put the money back in the pot themselves. No let's give them more money to lose from the deck.

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The casino junkies are running the world
Posted by: hagwind on Sep 22, 2008 6:49 AM   
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Excellent essay, Joshua -- in fact, I've been really impressed with AlterNet's offerings on the financial meltdown. They've provided relief (of a sort) from the utter inconsequentiality of most campaign coverage.

I wish I could distill this article into a one- or even five-minute presentation that my friends and acquaintances would sit still and listen to. But keeping the global interconnections straight in my own head is challenging enough. So what I'm pondering is how to translate the macro picture down to the micro level. Joshua wrote:

If, as one definition holds, capitalism is all about maximizing efficiency, what happens when meaningful production becomes so efficient that the system ends up cranking out more goods than the population needs -- more than it can absorb?

One flip-side question is what do our jobs look like in a system that's hell-bent on "maximizing efficiency"? An awful lot of us are interchangeable cogs on assembly lines turning out "have it your way" burgers, or checkout lines at places like Wal-Mart. Another question: How does the system go about unloading those surplus goods it's created, the widgets, the cosmetics, the drugs, the political candidates? Marketing. Advertising. Persuading us we need this stuff by hammering home the message, day in, day out, that we're inadequate without it. Not only have these people degraded the environment, they've degraded the language by relentlessly using it to manipulate, insinuate, and come as close to lying as they can without getting busted.

The contemporary Republican Party has succeeded spectacularly at harnessing the utter amorality of Big Business to the religiosity of the religious Right. With one hand they're creating the problem -- a society in which whatever can't be measured in dollars has no value at all -- and with the other they're holding out a smoke-and-mirrors solution: "traditional family values" that pretty much ignore economic issues altogether. Neat trick as long as you can get away with it.

What I'm doing is pointing out that the unregulated free-for-all we've had since the early 1980s is basically like a big casino. If people want to gamble with dollars, fine; but these people are gambling with companies, countries, and, ultimately, human lives. Whether it's because of greed, testosterone, or adrenaline addiction, these people are out of control. Their concern for human life is on a par with that of your average drug kingpin or power-mad dictator. If they were your relatives, you'd be praying for their souls and trying to get them into rehab. If they were drug kingpins or power-mad dictators -- hey, don't we declare war on those guys?

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Toll roads and bridges are tangible moneymakers
Posted by: scheherezade on Sep 22, 2008 6:52 AM   
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Will we bail out the speculator class so that it can regroup and move on to the next bubble, precipitating the next crisis of capitalism...

The investor class likes sure things when it comes to putting real money on the long-term line.

After this unpleasantness dies down, I expect we'll be hearing loud calls for largescale privatizing of roads, bridges, power companies, water companies, etc.

Needless to say, with the enthusiastic approval of Dickbrain and Dumbcunt Redstate -- who also invite you to replace progressive income taxes with a regressive "Fair Tax" sales levy.

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Don't let your ideology blind you...
Posted by: jdub on Sep 22, 2008 7:24 AM   
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I don't like the bailout anymore than anyone else who has posted here or written about it on Alternet. Nevertheless, the economic reality is that deregulation over thirty years (championed by both parties), particularly the repeal of the Glass-Stegall Act under Gingrich and Clinton and the undermining of labor unions, have made this economic meltdown possible. You want another depression, you'll get it if you don't shore up the banking and credit industry.

Instead of railing against bail outs, better to put energies into electing a Democratic congress and president, rebuilding unions, and restoring a progressive taxation system.

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» RE: sounds like a threat Posted by: Lauren
» RE: sounds like a threat Posted by: Spot
» RE: sounds like a threat Posted by: HoboHomo
» RE: Don't let your ideology blind you... Posted by: left_libertarian
Deregulation flies in the face of human nature and reality..!
Posted by: TJColatrella on Sep 22, 2008 7:42 AM   
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The so called Conservative obsession with deregulation flies in the face of human nature and the realities we have already learned in the S&L Crisis and the Dot.com collapse among other realities...and what should have been hard learned lessons in our financial markets..!

What is referred to as Conservatism is nothing less than radical recklessness with an intent to defraud and embezzle from the American people,...it's never been anything else than that..!

Let's hope this will finally expose this fraud of Conservatism for the failed philosophy that it truly is..!

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» That makes no sense Posted by: fanny666
» RE: The game of politics Posted by: Lauren
» Regulation Standards........ Posted by: gellero1
» OPPS..here's the link Posted by: gellero1
And the OBama Camp ??
Posted by: gellero1 on Sep 22, 2008 7:50 AM   
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Correct me if I'm wrong...............Is it not true that Obama's top financial advisers are the heads of Fannie Mae and FreddieMac??

Isn't it true that Sen. Obama recieved their LARGEST campaign donations. ??

Isn't it true that The Clinton admin had the above institutions basically change the loan rules ( with pressure from the Black Caucus ) so the newly created 'sub prime market' was opened to people who could never be expected to pay ??

Please...........somebody............explain this to me, or correct me.

PS...........isn't Sen Biden well entrenched in banking circles?? They all are Delaware corporations.

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» RE: And the OBama Camp ?? Posted by: Quannah
» What's to explain? Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: What's to explain? Posted by: nochicagoboys
» Done and ... Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: Done and ... Posted by: nochicagoboys
» RE: And the OBama Camp ?? Posted by: JSquercia
» RE: And the OBama Camp ?? Posted by: Lauren
» "Delaware corporations" Posted by: fanny666
» Here's some interesting info Posted by: gellero1
» A longer list! Posted by: Beck
» OK..........but.............. Posted by: gellero1
» RE: A longer list! Posted by: 6399
» RE: A longer list! Posted by: nochicagoboys
Just accept the Depression -----
Posted by: symcokid on Sep 22, 2008 7:55 AM   
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what else could we realistically expect when the Gold Standard has been done away with and this IOUSofA deals in Deficit Spending - how long can this country spend more than we take in mindset ever be a viable balance of money anyway. The entire economic makeup is like magic anyway, creating something out of nothing - the government will just have to write it off and start all over again.

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Tell me lies Tell me sweet little lies
Posted by: solrev on Sep 22, 2008 8:04 AM   
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The government’s plan to buy the mortgaged-backed assets from financial institutions does not make any sense to me. Then when I hear the government saying, all the air was sucked out of the room but we can not tell you what was said, there is no doubt they have something to hide. The free market for these mortgaged backed assets has collapsed. It is also an assumption that these assets have a value greater than the discount purchase price, an assumption the free market investors would not make. Therefore, there was a run on institutions believed to be highly leveraged in these assets. I will assume that these assets are really that, and have long term value because subprime mortgages are only a small portion of mortgages. I will also agree that having money tied up in these assets creates a shortage of money. I will also agree that making the remaining investment banks commercial, opens their doors to new federal money. So anyone one holding these assets will be fine long term and short term money is available. What is the problem and why does the government want to hold these assets? What a sham, banks are not making loans for lack of money, but for lack of borrowers. The fundamentals of the economy are going to get a lot worse and the dollar will continue to drop. If the rest of the world has the perception that the US recovery will not happen because we have sold out our production base, they may decide to go it alone. They may dump the dollar. I bet that sucked the oxygen out of the room. Creating the delusion that the US is a good place to make money becomes job one. If American investors cool it, maybe the world will too. Regulation is the easy part. Freddy and Fanny can buy up the good commercial loans hold them long term and free up commercial bank money, that is what they were created to do. Reign in speculators again, maybe we will learn something this time, but the underlying lack of a production base makes job creation real hard. Ah there is the rub. There is an old Chinese fortune cookie that say’s; people without jobs buy few products. When we sold out our production base we sold out our consumer base.

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Dead Cats
Posted by: Io on Sep 22, 2008 8:09 AM   
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Dead Cats
Dead Rats
Did you see what they were at

Sucking on a young man's blood
Wishing he could come, yeah
Sucking on a soldier's brain
Wishing it would be the same

Dead cat, dead rat, did you see what they were at
Fat cat in a top hat
Thinks he's an aristocrat
Thinks he can kill and slaughter
Thinks he can shoot my daughter

Dead cats, dead rats, think you're an aristocrat
Crap .... ha, that's crap

Jim Morrison, Ray Manzarek, John Densmore, Robby Krieger

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Shock doctrine at work
Posted by: sharloch on Sep 22, 2008 8:14 AM   
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This crises is far from over yet. The best is still comming. Now we got shocked, so they can push another law down our throats like abolish social security, no funding for Medicare, Patriopt Act III, you name it.... Stalin looks like amateur.

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X-POLYGAMIST WIFE in ARIZONA
Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE on Sep 22, 2008 8:16 AM   
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In 1999 polygamist profit Warren Jeffs told his followers to max out their credit cards and loans because the world was coming to an end in 2000 and they wouldn't have to pay it back. Monies went to build the YFZ Ranch in Texas.

FLDS polygamists bankrupted the Ephraim Bank in Colorado City, AZ and cost Arizona taxpayers 13 million. Now the YFZ Ranch is costing Texas taxpayers millions.

Watch the video:

http://www.bankingonheaven.com

BANKING ON HEAVEN

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The Great Depression didn't just "happen"
Posted by: zooeyhall on Sep 22, 2008 8:26 AM   
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One of the annoying things whenever history books or columnists or tv documentaries refer to the Great Depression of the 1930's--is that they talk about it as something that just "happened", like a hurricane or earthquake. There were FUNDAMENTAL and CLEAR causes that are startlingly similar to what we have today. Among these are: real wages not rising--thus not allowing the working classes to be able to buy the "widgets" being produced, wealth concentration and inequality, unregulated speculation in financial markets. ALL of these factors were evident throughout the decade of the 1920's.

The reason that these factors always seemed to be glossed-over when discussing the Great Depression is that they question the basic assumptions of the capitalist system itself. And that raising these questions amounts to some sort of religious heresy.

So it is with the MSM today. We get talking heads and pundits hehming and hawing on the media. But they don't want to "take the bull by the horns" and just come out and SAY IT that there are problems with the dog-eat-dog form of capitalism in the U.S.

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Some basic economics, to help explain what's going on (repost)
Posted by: fanny666 on Sep 22, 2008 8:43 AM   
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Some people have mentioned that they feel like there is not good information to explain the basics of what's going on, so here goes. Republicans would bristle at what I'm about to say, calling it "Marxist" - but that doesn't make it untrue.

There are basically 2 economies: the Real economy and the Speculative economy. Labor and Capital. The Real economy is goods and services, the speculative economy is investments. It's the Speculative economy that's in turmoil right now.

The Real economy actually CREATES capital. So, for example, the reason that a dozen eggs costs $2, but 3 scrambled eggs costs $3 is that labor went into it. Labor creates capital.

The speculative economy deals with existing capital, it does not create any capital. It certainly can benefit in the creation of capital- somebody lends you money so you can open up a breakfast restaurant and increase the value of eggs- but the speculation itself does not directly create capital ("increase economic growth" = "create capital"). An investor takes a risk- he's betting that you can scramble enough eggs (create enough capital) to pay back the loan, plus interest. One of the fundamental concepts of capitalism is supposed to be that the investor takes the risk, and he is responsible if it was a bad economic decision to take that risk. Also, the investor must actually have the capital he promises. So, if you ask for $10,000 to open up a breakfast place, the investor should not say "Well, I have 2 $5000 loans out right now, and when I get paid back, I'll have enough, so go ahead and pay for the restaurant and I'll give you the money when my loans come back."

Part of the "risk" is that those 2 loans might NOT come back, and therefore the $10,000 is not his to lend. That's the capital-to-leverage ratio. Lets say, the investor has $2000 on hand, is waiting on $10000 to come back, but gives you a $10000 loan anyways. 20000:2000 is a 10:1 ratio.

When Bear Stearns crashed, it had $11.1 billion in actual capital supporting $395 billion in assets, a leverage ratio of more than 35 to one. When Carlyle Capital crashed, it was levered at 32 to 1. And when Fannie and Freddie were finally taken over by the US Treasury; they were levered at 80 to 1, which is to say that they had a one dollar capital cushion for every $80 they had loaned out. (google the company's name and the words "leverage ratio" for sources)

You can't loan out money you don't have. That's called a "bubble in the speculative economy". And this is what deregulation allows. It been going on for a long long time, for example NIXON deregulated the money markets when he did away with the Bretton-Woods system. So you could buy Yen with Dollars and play the daily fluctuations- none of it based on REAL economics, just speculation.

So when you're making loans based on loans based on currency speculation, based on loans, that's a house of cards. One card goes, and you've got what the Financial Times calls a Global Financial Crisis. Lehman owned tons of Fannie mortgages, and those mortgages were insured by AIG. Every card in the house is connected.

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» Labor creates Capital Posted by: pdxjoe
» Investment Without Profit Posted by: pdxjoe
bailout
Posted by: jstepp590 on Sep 22, 2008 8:54 AM   
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I only agree to bailing them out if one thing happens. If they do not bring back the exact regulations, verbatum, that were enacted after the Great Depression to stop this from happening I say let them crash and burn, even if it takes us all down.

If Americans had realized that those were the regulations they wanted to deregulate we would never have done it. We're not stupid or brainwashed, like some of the mindless jackals up here seem to think in their pathetic arrogance. If we had understood what they meant by "deregulation" it never would have happened.

If they do not bring back those regulations, verbatum, I say Bush and his cronies can shove it and I hope the bailout fails.

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» Crash and burn Posted by: leafsong1
We've been here before. Let's do at least as well as the S&L bailout.
Posted by: Sojourner on Sep 22, 2008 9:07 AM   
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Whatever Wall Street gets will be more than they deserve, since what they all deserve is to be reduced to begging on street corners. But that will be left for we who live on Main Street.

Congress should take the legislation that bailed out the Savings and Loans and apply it lock, stock, and barrel to investment banks and mortgage lenders. No, it is not perfect. But it will not rip us off and reduce us to slaves of Wall Street, as with Paulson's plan.

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» In case you hadn't noticed... Posted by: leafsong1
Joshua Holland forgot one thing in his excellent article.
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Sep 22, 2008 9:09 AM   
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What kind of vegetables to grow in my backyard Depression garden!

John McCain -- OLD ideas, OLD solutions

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It's simpler than all that Joshua. If everyone and CO. & COuntry is broke where's the money?
Posted by: common intelligence on Sep 22, 2008 9:24 AM   
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You mention that the MSM and leadersnever as you say " ...you have to go to some deep thinkers who don't get much play in our mainstream economic discourse." From La Rouche, to Ron Paul and Kucinich they've been telling the world and all of our crooked theiving "old boys club" for years that this inevitable point would come.
BUT NO COSIDERATION WAS GIVEN TO THEIR INSIGHT. That's because they were telling the truth and disrupting their plans.

The power structure as it is, same as the repuk political machine, their method of dealing with disrupters is to :redirect, deny, ignore, deceive, and lie, about anything that is contrary to their machine and its power stucture.

The simplicity, be it ever so nievely put is this.
IF you and your neighbors are broke, "Small" business is running on the edge, banks are broke, the Governement is broke....hey remember "Fort Knox?" etc.......where's all the money?

Well there is none! It's all paper that represents debt, not tangible wealth. And how in hell does Bush or any system Fed or who ever get away with telling any one "we're going to bail out " someone elses financial problem with money that doesn't exist?

That's like you or I going next door to a neighbor that's going to loose their house (which it isn't really "their house, but a contract to pay a debt") and tell them I'm going to take money from their other neighbor to bail them out of their debt, but you are going to have to pay for your own bail out.

It's all a gawd damn bait and switch pea game. It's faud to the highest degree of crime.
I can't get away with it and they can't either. These people are down and out right criminally faudulent.

That fact is the value of anything is only worth what it's tangible value is. It's the applied simple law of Thermodynamics.
simply put, you can't get something (energy) for nothing and it takes more energy to get any energy out of any system". The net gain, there is none."

The sad truth is all this mumbo jumbo "scambling for money" as they MS likes to put it, and the empty rethorical double talk is all about deception. It's slight of hand work to keep people believing a lie. That is the economic model that's been perpetuated since 1913 doesn't work and can't. That is unless some one loses.

I'll tell you this. As it is, if the government can't pay how in hell do people buy the idea that they will be able to pay. It ain't happenin' Jack! Besides how do people believe and how can the Bush machine
pay with money that doesn't exist.

It's all about paying debt with debt. This is going to stop.

Oh yah, back to that question: "what happened to Fort Knox? and what does it represent?" Oh and what about all that gold that was confinscated that was under the Twin Towers? eh?

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A well-written exposé of what has happened.
Posted by: nochicagoboys on Sep 22, 2008 9:29 AM   
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Mr. Holland, you succinctly explained, without the mundane and boorishness of most financial writers, exactly what has ensued, and why.

Thank you for your fine editorial.

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Systemic indeed
Posted by: wjfaust on Sep 22, 2008 9:30 AM   
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Very well thought out. You are one of the few commentators on economics who is looking at the deep systemic problems with the economic subsystem.

My only caution is even bringing up the notion of human greed--even as an immediate cause. Humans are what they are. When systems are poorly designed, it isn't difficult to find the human "components" that will cause the system to "misbehave". By bringing it up, however, some will assume the problems can be solved by "replacing greedy people with good people". There are very few Ray Andersons in the world.

As your article clearly points out, these are deep rooted in systemic issues, not greed issues.

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» Human Greed Posted by: pdxjoe
» Greed vs. institutional design Posted by: fanny666
» Good point. Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: Systemic indeed Posted by: leafsong1
Where is the tipping point?
Posted by: Ahimsa on Sep 22, 2008 10:33 AM   
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At point do Americans take it to the streets?
I mean, this is the big blow, right?

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» RE: Where is the tipping point? Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: Where is the tipping point? Posted by: nochicagoboys
Holland hits nail on head
Posted by: chorton on Sep 22, 2008 10:34 AM   
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Thank you Joshua Holland! This is the best piece on the economic crisis I've seen yet in the alternative press! Anyone who has skimmed or half-understood this article should go back and read it again, carefully!

Determined to prevent or postpone the next depression, the "overlords" and their economic managers have allowed debt, obligations and other claims on real material wealth to accumulate to fantastic, unprecedented levels. There is no precedent in American history for such a mountain of fictitious value or its inevitable collapse, but perhaps the fabled meltdown of the German economy in 1923 may hold some lessons for us.

The struggle to manage the collapse and restart the economy will be messy and brutal. Every dollar of debt or obligation, public or private, is someone else's "property". The economy could be restarted by wiping it all out, by decree or by hyperinflation, but the owners of the debt will fight tooth and nail against any move in that direction. The question for everyone will be: at whose expense will this crisis be worked out?

Already, a foreshadowing of this struggle can be seen in the debates in Congress. Can we get the government to act for us to prevent mass starvation, mass homelessness, the interruption of essential services? To bail out the people and preserve our buying power, put people to work doing things that need to be done? Or will the super rich prevail, salvaging their position by plundering the remaining public assets, opening wide the faucet for tax money flowing directly into their pockets and starving the people? Will they be able to crush our resistance with police, vigilantes and concentration camps, diverting us with wars and manufactured threats?

This is nothing less than a revolutionary crisis, and I fear that we, the American people and those who would lead us, are in no way prepared for it. The last depression and the lessons learned from it is beyond living memory and even the children of those who lived through it are growing old. The radical leadership of the working class, built and tempered through a century of struggle, was largely smashed in the '50's, its legacy and hard-won wisdom nearly forgotten outside of a segment of the labor movement and some college history departments.

The working people have bought wholesale into the idea that there is no working class in America, that we are all "middle class", except for the poor, "illegals" and others "not like us", who are seen as threats. With unions legally hamstrung and representing only 7% of the private workforce, and with maybe 98% of the people getting their news from the corporate media, most of us experience our local struggles and hardships as if we were alone and outnumbered. This makes us very vulnerable to lies and distractions, unable to focus on our real interests or to see who our real enemies are.

We need to learn fast, and let go of our illusions and excuses for inaction. We need to get much more organized fast, and get our hands dirty with the hard work or organizing in our neighborhoods and workplaces. And we will have to get our communication lines with the millions up and running, fast. The mass media will be worse than no help at all.

We urgently need a solid analysis of what is happening and why and where we might be headed to guide us. But it must be a useful tool, relevant to the challenges we face, one that guides us in building unity, one that helps us think strategically and build winning alliances. Notice which thinkers - such as Joshua Holland - exemplify this, and share and discuss their work! If anyone still doubts that this is becoming a fight for survival, it's wake-up time!

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The Bubbles are Bursting
Posted by: jaylindberg@hotmail.com on Sep 22, 2008 11:00 AM   
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I have little doubt that government will bail out the investors "again". I keep wondering who will bail out the government when it finally goes BK as well.

A far as the housing bubble goes that is really not what happened. It is more like a finance bubble and the flip side of the housing mess when the feds raised interest rates to 20% in the late seventies. Those interest rates depressed housing values of decade in America.

This housing "bubble" was created by 30, 48, and 60 month adjustable, negative amortized, 1% mortgages. (Sub-prime mortgages) Borrowers were qualified for these loans at the 1% interest rates and the loans rolled over to adjustable rate laons in 30, 48 or 60 months. Of course, these loans were sold off to investors. Financial instruments like these artificially inflated real estate values at greater than a trillion dollars a year for much of this decade. As long as everyone was making lots of money, the industry and America ignored a fundamental reality. They were creating a bubble economy that was not sustainable.

This bubble has been bursting for over a year, but there are still quite a few bubbles left to burst. Here are a few of them.

1)We have a Federal deficit that now will exceed 10 trillion dollars we will never be able to pay back.

2)We have most expensive and inefficient health care system on the planet that requires deficit spending to fund.

3) We have a trade deficit in the 800 billion dollar a year range that is unsustainable and responsible for a huge chunk of this mess we are in today.

4) We have an oil bubble that overestimated global oil reserves by over 600 billion barrels. Those reserve figures represent over 80% of oil based energy stock values.

5) Our military budget and infrastructure investments associated with it is larger than the rest of the world combined. It is not sustainable.

6) Closer to home- A 200 billion dollar a year drug war (a war we forget about that has now costed over 2 trillion dollars) in America and produced the highest drug abuse rates in the industrial world.

7) A nuclear waste disposal bill we have pawned off on the government that will cost at least a trillion dollars to clean up properly. (Of course the money isn't there either.)

I'm sure there are a lot more examples just like infrastructure investments and environmental concerns we need to deal with but my point is this.

The bubbles are bursting and the lies associated with them will have to be dealt with. Our future will not be a pretty one.

I believe this country will have to go bankrupt before it gets fixed. Of course there are no promises that will fix these problems either.

Jay Lindberg
jaylindberg@hotmail.com

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JUDAS ALERT: Bill Clinton pimped for John McCain today on "The View"
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Sep 22, 2008 11:43 AM   
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I watched Clinton appear on the "The View" today with my wife. Not surprisingly, Slick Willie failed to attack Senator McCain. Instead, he, Clinton, damn near endorsed the senile Manchurian Candidate.

There is no doubt in my mind now that Bill wants Obama to lose the election so his wife can run again in 2012.

For readers who have forgotten what President Clinton is all about, he's the self-serving, womanizing, greedy bastard who pushed NAFTA and took $500,000 from the Arabs for a weekend's work lobbying for Dubai's takeover of our major seaports.

The slimy son of a bitch should crawl back to Hope, Arkansas, and hide under a rock where he belongs.

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A point the author neglected
Posted by: leafsong1 on Sep 22, 2008 12:45 PM   
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The lack of opportunities to invest in real, wealth producing enterprises coincided with a Reaganomic push to increase the amount of capital available to invest. Capitalists who would otherwise have restricted their investments to productive industries in the US were compelled by the huge gobs of money borrowed from foreigners and dumped on them through tax cuts to invest in foreign production and domestic Ponzi schemes. The point was made quite clearly over and over again but almost universally ignored: economic stimulus in the form of increased capital only is helpful in an economy which is short on capital. In an economy with plenty of capital, as ours has been for a very long time, more capital is actually harmful.

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Up to 700 billion?
Posted by: leafsong1 on Sep 22, 2008 12:51 PM   
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More like AT LEAST. The plan under consideration would allow the Treasury to OWN up to 700 billion dollars worth of assets AT ANY GIVEN TIME. 700 billion could be spent, the value assigned to the assets could be reevaluated to zero, or sold at a huge discount, and then 700 billion dollars more could be spent, etc. Please correct me if I am wrong.

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Creating private monopolies is stupid
Posted by: PaulK on Sep 22, 2008 12:55 PM   
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Have you never played "Monopoly"? Creating monopolies means that the price of everything goes way up. That's why an electric company wants to buy the water works. That's why (in the 1930s) it was pretty good to own all the railroads.

Step 1: the city or state sells the water works to a private investor (for $150 cash).

Step 2: the rent for the water works skyrockets. In real life the company can charge anything it wants for its monopoly, provided it has bribed or has pressured the public utilities commission. A monopoly can always bill the town fire department a dollar a gallon if it can work out the details. Who else is the fire department going to turn to for water?

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Disgusting Democrats in Congress
Posted by: leafsong1 on Sep 22, 2008 12:59 PM   
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I listened to Harry Reid on the radio on Friday, and he went to some lengths to blame the mess on the Bush Administration. Of course, Congressional Democrats and the Clinton White House did much to facilitate this larceny on a national scale, but the infuriating thing was that Reid's plan for fixing the mess was to wait and see what the people he blamed for causing the mess proposed for fixing it. The White House, like everybody else with a brain, saw this problem coming months or years ago and had a plan ready. Congress, which has the actual responsibility for adopting a plan, under the leadership of the pink tutu squad, had no plan except to defer to the crooks in the executive. Nobody contemplated heading off this problem when it was so obviously coming months or years ago. Don't count on anyone in Congress changing the Treasury Secretary's plan to any significant degree. They all very conveniently have their backs to the wall now. Buy a gun.

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Over producing?
Posted by: Cybershaman on Sep 22, 2008 1:39 PM   
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I tend to think it has more to do with people not being financially able to purchase these new toys than those toys being over produced.
The American worker has been forced to reduce their expenditures to the basic necessities and an economy structured around 'consumerism' cannot continue to thrive under these conditions.
The price for those basic necessities has been inflated far more than any other aspect of the economy but this is not recognized because all goods are lumped together in our GDP. The American consumer is bankrupt, the system is bankrupt, welcome to the Soviet Union!

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I'm livid...
Posted by: vangogh69 on Sep 22, 2008 2:25 PM   
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Am I crazy? Am I the only one finding this mad and grotesque that the US Gov., which has maintained that "socialized medicine" or "raising a living wage" was impossible overnight finds close to $1,000,000,000,000 to inject into PRIVATE BANKS using taxpayer money? This is such an outrageous injustice that the media should be talking about this AND NOTHING ELSE all week! This is to say nothing of Iraq, which is costing billions each week! For once and all, this proves the US is a country of fools, idiots, thieves, hypocrites, and scoundrels.

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» AGREE!!! Posted by: thistleblower
Thanks for exposing Alterneters to OVERPRODUCTION. Now they have an alternative crisis theory.
Posted by: yellow on Sep 22, 2008 2:49 PM   
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Two things need to be understood. One is that the losses from the subprime financial crisis are now officially more than $500 billion and rising. The other is that about 90% of the increase in GDP growth in the first two quarters of this year was accounted for by US exports mostly due to the weak and declining dollar. Most large US corporations make at least half their annual revenues in the global market where declining US consumer demand and real income and consequent chronic stagnation has not much affected their profit rates. The US economy is linked to the world economy via trade and investment and if a recession worsens abroad, there go US exports and all the GDP growth we've had so far this year.

The McCain tax cuts will worsen deficits and perhaps cause a bigger financial meltdown. We need progressive taxation and a spending program for full employment to resolve the crisis and relieve the current chronic stagnation of US capitalism.

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Sharkie
Posted by: Sharkie on Sep 22, 2008 4:15 PM   
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You notice how no one ever expands on the predicted disaster if we don't go along. Our economy is dead. Is that disaster enough for you? That sickening feeling that maybe you should take your money out of the bank and bury it, is that a celebration of that death? What could be more disasterous than gutting the coffers of the US Treasury and handing it to bankers. Will we then share, as a nation, the profits these financial institutions generate after re-inflating over priced real estate and selling it back to us? Think not. Creating the brand new disaster of a vaporized dollar resulting from such lunacy is not a prefered conclusion. Let these institutions reorganize under bankruptcy proceeding and then rebuild anything left over that's good into our new economy. Our old one is dead.
Nobody in their right mind should want anything to do with the old economy.R.I.P.

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Use This to Tell Pelosi -- No Blank Checks!!
Posted by: ProgressiveReb on Sep 22, 2008 4:37 PM   
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We have to convince congressional leaders to stand strong and oppose any blank check for the Bush administration’s plan to bail out Wall Street.

Progressive Future has a great online action that allows you to send an email directly to Pelosi telling her that, if we are going to hand over $700 billion, we need to demand:

* Better oversight and regulation of financial markets.

* Help for the people who are struggling to stay in their homes.

* No "golden parachutes" for the CEOs of failed corporations that benefit from the bailout.

You can find the email action here - it’s quick and simple.

Please sign it today. Don't let them push this massive, historic bailout through without the consideration it deserves and the changes that must be made to safeguard the interests of the American people.

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» RE: Pelosi Is Human Garbage Posted by: left_libertarian
Get-out-of-jail-free card
Posted by: Jeanne on Sep 22, 2008 5:02 PM   
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"Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency." This is in the bail-out bill (see HuffingtonPost). This is the meat of the story of the bill. Taxpayers are in the process of being stuck with the biggest bill in the history of this country, and there will be no one held accountable if it turns out badly. There will be no one held accountable for the calculation, for the selection or quantity of each disbursement, for accounting for the expenditures. No one is even going to get to check the math!

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» RE: Get-out-of-jail-free card Posted by: badkitty
Does anyone else feel as if
Posted by: jackyD on Sep 22, 2008 5:41 PM   
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we've been raped and now we have to buy our own rape kit?

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THIS IS WHAT I WROTE MY SENATORS AND CONGRESSMEN
Posted by: cori on Sep 22, 2008 5:55 PM   
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YOU SHOULD TOO.

email or call 202 224 3121 and give them hell!

Because we are in the midst of a financial collapse we must cut back on the extravagant military spending that we have been indulging in for so many years. We need to cut back on the money that is paid to private companies that that supply everything form food to toilet paper to arms to many of the 761 bases around the world. We have more bases then all the nations combined in history. We need to stop funding the private companies in Iraq and Afganistan. We need to get the hell out of Iraq and make the oil companies pay for their own private armies. We need to cut funding to drug companies and arms manufacturers. We need to raise revenues by not spending so much and that does not mean cutting vital life support systems to all of us like Social Security and Medicare and Medicade. We need to stop paying those who have robbed us blind.

We need to raise caps on Social Security, restore the capital gains tax, get rid of tax cuts for the very rich, cut back on some of the 761 bases around the world that we pay for and not pay for private corporate armies like Blackwater at the very least. And we need to do what they do in the UK and that is tax 50 cents on every stock transaction. That's how they raise billions.

So get off your sorry U know what and speak out.

We need to create laws that force companies to stay here or else their products won't be sold here. We need to tax products coming from China.

There are many, many ways to raise revenues without rapping us.

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America's debt
Posted by: beeden on Sep 22, 2008 6:24 PM   
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Had thought the US was in debt to China, Russia and the rest of the globe to vast amounts already, so expect that this bailout will further add ( except to the rich who opt out of paying taxes ) to the woes and miseries of the taxpaying US population. If there are already huge problems with this debt, before the bailout, what will they be after the bailout is added to the current deficit? The pillaging and plundering of the US treasury, by Bush/Cheney/and their mega rich business(?) friends is a historical tragedy of national significance. It is time these serial abusers of office and "authorita" are criminally adjudicated and laid to rest in their respective prison cells. The human tragedy of their disastrous greed should be a call to arms for all the people of the US, enough already, it is time to reclaim the systems put in place to ensure a reasonable lifestyle, free from the avaricious, the reprehensible, and the corrupt. If these companies wish to be socialistically rescued, then any of their viable assets should at the least become the property of the US people, perhaps that may make some small effort to reducing the overall debt that will remain.

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What do you think of This ???
Posted by: gellero1 on Sep 22, 2008 6:41 PM   
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Too bad we didn't LISTEN

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iT'S SO SIMPLE
Posted by: civilsociety on Sep 22, 2008 7:33 PM   
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The problem is the fact that 95% of he people in this country do not have good paying jobs anymore. That and every middle man has used housing as their cash cow.


From real estate agents, to mortgage brokers, to title insurance to investment houses, to banks, to real estate lawyers to developers to the govt.

And the guy who only wants to call a place his own has had to pay every troll along the way his cut before getting to pay off something for himself.

I want bailed out too. I want 450 for my house and I will leave this country so fast it would make your head spin. Any takers? Please someone buy me out so I can get out of here.

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New Site; nobailout.org (no bail out)
Posted by: aonghus36 on Sep 22, 2008 9:26 PM   
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http://www.votenobailout.org/ Check it out. It is important.

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A big compliment to Josh
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Sep 23, 2008 6:42 AM   
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This article was referenced at the 321gold.com gold bug site. When the left and right begin to converge, the establishment is in serious trouble.

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Metaphors
Posted by: bubbabuddha on Sep 24, 2008 2:06 AM   
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"Free Markets" didn't cause this anymore than "Socialism" although the forces of regulation have maintained a reign over the economy since the 1930's or the Fed's inception. We need to shut this stuff down. Does anyone see the folly in regulating markets and then blaming the non-existent "free market" as the cause of the meltdown? Creating more laws will freeze things up even more. I think we need brave behavior and we need to name names of people that clearly played outside the already established regulated market.

Since regulated markets produced these outcomes we need to acknowledge that and make moves that would free up a market for everyone, not just movers and shakers in NY and WDC. I think they mean THEY enjoy the benefit of a free market while we have to accept a million regulations just set up a small business.

We have a black market economy, supported by illegal drug trade and various other means. Your stock portfolio, your retirement goes up because of the enormous risk and profit in black markets. Until we end the holocaust on drug users we will see a distorted market. Clearly there are markets that exist and are desired, while at the same time overly regulated policy making chokes honest business and people's abilities to start up a business in the first place. So much intervention and yet so very little ever gets said about such a structure maybe being the fault of such speculative bubbles and such outragous industries being created to profit off other people's transgressions.

MOst professions clearly need to disable people to stay in business. Disabling professions make us all serfs in the short and long term. If the only profit lies in jailing and criminalizing everyone soon there will be no way to survive or make a living with everyone set out to get each other. These overly broad regulatory agencies have clearly made every effort to blame liberty as the entire cause of these problems. These problems were created in a overly regulated situation, let these people that made thee mistakes pay the price for it, not me or anybody that would be forced to pay them, that maybe called robbery when you or I do such but a bailout when elites do such? I say it looks like state regulated fraud, maybe we should vote them out for starters and send up a new amendment to the constitution stipulating the meaning of a "free society" and a "free market" rather then this shell game being propagandized as a version of "freedom" when it merely looks as if they are consolidating the wealth into their pots.

As George Carlin would say, the "owners" of this country want more for themselves.

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canidates don't matter
Posted by: Azshiva on Sep 24, 2008 2:47 AM   
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I'm shocked that anyone thinks there is any real diffrence between Owwwama and McCain. They will both be puppets of the rich. Yes we are screwed. Best thing to do is contact your political reps and BITCH!!! It won't stop the bail out however we might at least win some help for the little guy. Return the bankrupcy laws back to pre 1997. Add more protection for the little guy. If the banks don't want it on the books forgive the debt and give it to the home owner. Yeah I know I'm dreaming. I say screw the rich and let the games begin. Americans have gotten spoiled. A little hardship will do us all some good. psss: I hope McCain wins the howls from the decieved will be well worth it. I'll have something to laugh at.

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Bailout bill addendum that might save us also
Posted by: mtaron on Sep 25, 2008 10:50 AM   
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Those financial entities who stay in business & profit due to our bailout need to pay us (U.S. Taxpayors) for saving them. This is how:
Add the following proposal to the bailout package. It is based on the idea that if we (taxpayors) buy failing mortgages & derivative debt products, the companies who are "up stream", those who sold the various derived products, benefit by not being forced to pay up on the swap/insurance/hedge due to the fact that we have bought these with the intention to keep the default snow ball from rolling down the hill (aka create a fire break).

If the upstream beneficiaries can be identified, they can be required to make monthly payments to us (U.S. Treasury) in return for our not allowing the product they received revenue on when they sold it to fail causing them to immediately be forced to pay up the total potential (notional) value and thereby being forced into bankruptcy. It would be painful to them, but might allow them to survive. If they don't survive, they will die slowly rather than immediately. If that happens, they are responsible anyway.
This seems workable and imminently fair in return for our saving their hides to keep them from dying & falling on top of the entire world economy.

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Brother, can you spare $700 billion?
Posted by: Democritus on Sep 25, 2008 11:53 AM   
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So now the "masters of the universe" are reduced to begging because of their profligate habits--and Treasury Secretary Paulson wants to give these miscreants our money so they can do it all over again. The author has it right in saying that speculation in "derivatives" precipitated this financial mess--that and the inability to regulate their sale. As Martin Wolf put it, "It took foolish borrowers, foolish investors and clever intermediaries, who persuaded the former to borrow what they could not afford and the latter to invest in what they did not understand." Now the clever intermediaries want to get off the hook. The appropriate answer to their plea is "No sale."

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I may have a solution to the 'crisis'...
Posted by: DrDon on Sep 25, 2008 5:06 PM   
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Fleece 'em, grease 'em, Fail 'em, & Jail 'em, NOT bail 'em!

Remember the Keating 5!

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Real agenda
Posted by: uncleeddie on Sep 26, 2008 6:13 AM   
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This is the end of America. With estimates more like 5-10 trillion dollars in assumed debt passed to the American taxpayer and no concrete economy to hedge against this burden just how will this so called bailout solve the markets problems? In 1929 the Federal Reserve orchestrated the collapse of the economy after which a failed coup was narrowly averted. This time the people will beg for dictatorship to feed them. Their new government, the Federal Reserve with that institutions appointed leader and chief criminal Henry Paulson, will gladly take whatever rights they have left. Remember the terrorists were able to get rid of many rights with their brilliant plan on 9-11. Now economic terrorism will finish the butcher of the pathetic slovenly herd as was the plan from the beginning. FEMA camps, crematories and hundreds of thousands of caskets owned by homeland security await dissenters. Go to infowars.com to learn the truth. The economy of the U.S.A. is in the tank no matter what but if the bankers get total control of the U.S. treasury the U.S.A. ends as a republic. It will probably be replaced by the North American Union and the dollar by the Amero. The constitution will be ended as well but after all the constitution is only "A God dam piece of paper".

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is it enough or are you still hoping for a democratic victory
Posted by: grkjr on Sep 26, 2008 8:52 AM   
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As this unfolds it should be clear to all that the democratic approach to solving this is just as bad as the republican.. one seeks to kId itself by rationalizing they are doing it for the people while the other simply lives in denial, that lack of regulation had anything to do with it.. The democrats are either too naive or ignorant economically to put it all together or simply want the same thing as the republicans but on a slightly dIfferent approach.. and that is to keep their lights on and the rest of the world be dammed. "Get off the train and lay new track" DO NOT VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS, SEND A MESSAGE THAT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH OR WE WILL STAY ON THIS TRACK UNTIL IT IS INDEED TOO LATE.

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Greed has Become the American Dream
Posted by: SunevaLightfoot on Sep 26, 2008 3:08 PM   
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The greed mindset has been glorified and promoted to the point where the personal financial picture of most people is totally out of control. Not only are people living beyond there means, greed has become a lifestyle as seen on http://www.greedypeople.com.

There are a lot of players responsible for this mess we are in - including those who refuse to live within their means instead of feeding this greed machine.

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Yes, it's called: Oligarchy - Write and call your senators - try these suggestions!
Posted by: Lifesabeach on Sep 27, 2008 9:32 PM   
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I agree with all of the ideas presented in this article. We must act now. Call and write your Senators and Representatives, your Governors, your political candidates and vice-presidential candidates! Feel free to cut and paste/send what I crafted and sent out today:

I call on you to consider the American people as your number one priority in any plans to bail out Wall Street in your current negotiations to solve America’s financial crisis.

Not only do I urge you to pass legislation with sensible checks and balances that protect the public as hundreds of billions of our taxpayer dollars are used to address the crisis, but in addition I ask for some common sense to be part of this package.

I believe we need some emergency legislation that removes the power from global corporations and gives America back to its people!

1. BROKER A DEAL WITH AMERICA’S WEALTHIEST INDIVIDUALS – The 20 Richest Americans, [per www.forbes.com]
a. This group of people have made their money on the backs of Americans and could in turn help America’s future by forming a group who could loan these companies private money, with the hopes of profiting in the future without the same risk of the average American taxpayer.
b. They are proven successful businessmen/women and could form a board of governance/financial management over this problem that would be far more successful than entrusting $700 billion dollars with Henry Paulson.

2. HELP MAINSTREET FREEZE FORECLOSURES -
a. This should have been done in January 2007 when the subprime mortgage industry began crashing as people’s Adjustable Rate Mortgages first began to cause foreclosures. It is not too late!

3. NEW TYPE OF HOMESTEAD ACT: RETURN ALL AMERICANS BACK TO THEIR HOMES IF THEY WERE ALREADY FORECLOSED UPON:
a. The American government can step in by providing an emergency HOMESTEAD ACT. Soften the economic blow on Americans and reinstall confidence. Prevent a new wave of American slums for the folks who once belonged to the American middle class and a surge of homelessness and the economic depression.
b. American’s can pay their debt back through a system similar to Ameri-Corp.


4. FIXING ALL MORTGAGE RATES AT ONE FLAT RATE TEMPORARILY –
a. Give every American homeowner a fixed rate of 3-4% that is affordable. Mortgage companies can still make money, but there is no need for CEO’s to make up to 400 times the amount of their average worker!
b. Gives all Americans a financial break that eases inflation in all other areas and stretches their paychecks. Stimulates the housing market, solves clogged credit problem.

5. REGULATE ALL MORTGAGES WITH A PLAN TO REDUCE SOME RESTRICTIONS LATER –
a. Emergency legislation - regulate all mortgages temporarily as the government provides a fixed rate - buys time -stabilizes economy.
b. Craft long-range regulatory legislation that would replace the emergency plan as the economy stabilizes.

6. PROVIDE AN EMERGENCY EMPLOYMENT PLAN FOR AMERICAN WORKERS –
a. Create green energy jobs to remove our dependence on foreign oil.


7. ESTABLISH A TRUE LIVING WAGE SCALE-
a. Raise minimum wage to equal TRUE cost of living.
b. Place a cap on CEO wages [in a way that provides no loopholes]- pass legislation requiring companies to pay workers a fair living wage - give tax breaks to CEO’s who create the best benefit packages, work environments, highest compensation for their workers.
c. Provide tax breaks to corporations who provide full medical/retirement benefits - add taxes to corporations who do not, thus once again encouraging corporations to care for their employees holistically.

8. END WAR IN IRAQ - USE MONEY SAVED TO CREATE JOBS -IMPROVE EDUCATION

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XVET
Posted by: xvet on Sep 29, 2008 2:26 AM   
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Leaving this economic crisis in the hands of the present admin is the equivalent of having Bin-Laden as head of homeland security. The damage done by the capitalism above all else crowd is turning out to be destroying this country faster and more effectively.
xvet

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An Alternate Solution!
Posted by: cwyatt on Oct 5, 2008 1:23 PM   
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I have to admit that I did not read your entire article. I didn't have to. In your opening paragraph, you state that "The immediate cause of our financial meltdown is unchecked, unbridled greed." I could not agree more. With greed being the underlying cause of this issue, the bailout plan, or any other political solution will not solve this crisis. These are just ways of putting a bandaid over a gaping wound! History has proven that, while "bandaid's" do temporarily stop the bleeding, they do not dull the pain, nor heal the wound. However, there is an alternate solution to this problem...the only solution to greed... Michael Laitman provides some insight to the real reason (greed) we're here & how we can overcome it!

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