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Corporate Accountability and WorkPlace

Meltdown and Bailout: Why Our Economic System Is on the Verge of Collapse

By Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted September 22, 2008.


Bush wants to fleece us for hundreds of billions in the financial crisis, but that's just the first layer of a more fundamental economic problem.
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The immediate cause of our financial meltdown is unchecked, unbridled greed. Mainstream newspapers and the business press are doing a fairly good job of explaining how the lack of regulatory oversight led us into this nightmare.

But you have to dig down one layer to find the cause of that situation. Under cover of the ideological euphemism known as the "free market" and with enormous cash investments over the past four decades, business elites have captured the regulatory organs of powerful democratic states -- nowhere more so than the United States -- and promoted their own narrow economic agendas for short-term gain.

There's an enormous amount of discussion about that in the independent media. But to drill down a layer deeper, to the bedrock of the crisis, you have to go to some deep thinkers who don't get much play in our mainstream economic discourse.

As foreign policy analyst Mark Engler notes in his new book, How to Rule the World, declining returns on traditional investments in manufacturing and industry since the 1970s go a long way toward explaining today's highly speculative economy -- pushing capital into developing countries and into bubble after speculative bubble in search of a better profit margin.

It's important to understand what's going on at all three levels, because we may have come to a fork in the road, a point at which the decisions made now may determine the future of the global economy.

We may or may not also be on the verge of another Great Depression.

The Bush Bailout: Privatizing Gains and Socializing Risk

On Saturday, hoping to stave off that dark possibility, the Bush administration proposed an unprecedented bailout for investors, a scheme that would authorize the Treasury Department to spend as much as $700 billion in tax dollars over the next two years to buy up bad securities, with little Congressional oversight save for a semiannual report on the process.

The move came after the federal government had already sunk a total of $900 billion into America's financial institutions this year, potentially bringing the total value of the Fed's tinkering to $1.6 trillion over three years.

The White House, Congressional leaders and Treasury officials are haggling over the details. Things are moving quickly, with a mammoth intervention that was unspeakable in economic circles a month ago now looking more and more inevitable.

The structure of the proposed bailout may change during those negotiations -- Democrats in Congress are pushing to save more homeowners and tie the package to some sort of limits on CEO pay for institutions that get a lifesaver -- but the deal outlined in the brief document released on Sept. 20 epitomizes the principle of privatizing gains while socializing risk. In other words, we're splitting an oil well with the Big Boys on Wall Street: They get the oil, we get the shaft.

It is, in short, a draft of what could be one of the greatest rip-offs in history. Bush, on the way out of power, is trying to create a publicly financed honeypot for the private sector on a scale never before imagined.

Those who played fast and loose with newer, ever shakier investment instruments in order to squeeze a few more bucks out of the markets' "irrational exuberance" about the housing sector would get a payday that would save their bacon. According to the New York Times, this huge pile of taxpayers' cash may even be available to foreign investors.

Home prices would continue to tank, though, as banks shed their bad loans at discounted prices to the government. Those subsidized assets would then be liquidated -- on the cheap because they're so overvalued -- to resuscitate the financial system. Rick Sharga, a senior officer with RealtyTrac, which monitors the housing market, told Reuters, "We've seen fewer and fewer properties go through the auction process because there's either little equity in them or even negative equity. So there's no incentive for people to buy them at the auctions."

Sharga added that "bank repossessions continue to grow at a pretty rapid clip," but an analyst told me recently that he knew of banks that simply weren't taking possession of foreclosed properties because they didn't want them on their balance sheets.


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Joshua Holland is an AlterNet staff writer.


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We Must Stop This Bailout ... It Is Disaster Capitalism !
Posted by: mmckinl on Sep 22, 2008 1:01 AM   
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Call, email, fax and /or write Washington DC ... Do it Today before they pass this bailout on the tax payers backs ...

Find Your Senators and Representative by Zip Code

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» Like Italy under Mussolini Posted by: citizenjoe
» RE: Like Italy under Mussolini Posted by: nochicagoboys
» Goldman Sachs gets a woody Posted by: weathered
» Beg to differ Posted by: Dboy
It is too late ...
Posted by: skoog5600 on Sep 22, 2008 3:36 AM   
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... to do anything about this. The general populace is so out of touch and no longer has a voice that there is in fact nothing that can be done other than to buckle up and wait for the crash and burn.

The reality is that the US is like a drug addict, and until it hits bottom "REAL" change will not occur. So it is best to wait until the crash and burn occurs and hope you don't take too big a hit on your lifestyle, but I suspect most will and are already feeling it. Then once the smoke clears start rebuilding your life.


Good luck!

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» How About Something New And Good? Posted by: Last Chance
» RE: How About Something New And Good? Posted by: nochicagoboys
» Labor Credits Posted by: Last Chance
» RE: It is too late ... Posted by: Godfather89
We who?
Posted by: Teller on Sep 22, 2008 3:54 AM   
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Will we...we should...we must. Who's we, man? I'll tell you who's we. It's all us at highway rest stops, bloated, distracted and loud. We run on fear and hate and we hate blacks, browns and gays and we're voting for McCain because he does too and also because Palin's hot.

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» The UGLY American! Posted by: eeezzz
the American people are too confused, distracted or lazy to look up from their TV sets
Posted by: blogoffanddie on Sep 22, 2008 4:07 AM   
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Thank God we still have socialism for the rich. How would they make the payments on their multi-million dollar mansions and Mercedes’ without a little helping hand from Joe Middle Class American Taxpayer. Like you, I often worry for the rich too.

The American Dream is failing because the American Dream has become the world's nightmare. Until the American people learn this truth, nothing will change in America.

After years of bombardment from the mainstream media, the American populace has been dumbed-down and programmed to ignore the substance, realities and the issues of the world around them, and focus on the peripheral, pointless and more often than not, irrelevant sideshows created by a news media, government and economic system full of hucksters, corporate bootlickers and suck-ups.

America has become a circus and a nation of voyeurs and peeping Toms. It is slowly devolving into a mindless freak show that millions of simpletons can watch every night on their TV's.

As a result, the American people are too confused, distracted or lazy to look up from their TV sets to see or do anything about the destruction that is taking place.

http://blogoffanddie.wordpress.com

So long Dubya, we'll always have debt and Guantanamo

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Burn, Baby, BURN! No Bailouts for Wall Street!
Posted by: Ottomatic on Sep 22, 2008 4:11 AM   
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The same Corporate Stooges that caused this Problem are trying to
Throw Gasoline on the Fire!
A 1,000 Billion Dollars for
A few WALL STREET Tycoons?

Bush said we were broke!
Vetoed giving 19 Billion Dollars to provide Health Care for 35 Million Poor Kids.
Is that Fair and Balanced?
Give the money directly to the people,save the struggling American families losing their homes by dropping their interest rates and forgiving their debt.
That's bottom up Economics:
For and by the People!
Start over.
Capitalism is a Failure.
Anything Based on Greed must FAIL!
Greed will screw you every time.
It is a negative Human Trait.
The Corporations have Plundered long enough.
Time to spend our money wisely on rebuilding America instead of
Lining their Pockets!
Stop the War!
Bring the Militia Home.
Become:
Self: Reliant, Sufficient and Efficient.
That's Freedom!
Go Local,
Go Now,
Go Big!

Surge
Purge
Update and
REBOOT!

Time to start over in a Totally New Direction The BUSH/Cheney/McCain Administration is a Total Failure.
All the Lies, Torture, Spying, Stealing, Secrecy, Dying and for what?
So they can Steal everything we own and mortgage America's future?

They made their Bed,
Let them Sleep in it!
Greed is Evil.
They are Evil!
They are corrupt.
Their Allegiance is to Their Class:
The Corporate Aristocracy!
Billionaires-R-US.
We have a totally different set of values.

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» RE: Right On Posted by: phoolish
WWIII begins at home!
Posted by: Col. Jackleg on Sep 22, 2008 4:30 AM   
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Congress MUST IMMEDIATELY: demand the resignations of Bush, Cheney, Paulson, Bernanke instanter or prosecute them for high crimes and misdemeanors; reject Paulson/Bush bail out plan without debate; repeal Gramm-Leach-Bliley of 1999 and reinstate Glass-Steagall of 1939; stop all war funding; immediately start troop withdrawals from Iraq and Afghanistan; cease all meddling in Iran, Pakistan and North Korea; let the goddam "free marker" capitalism system fail as it should have failed a near century ago; THEN AND CHISEL THIS ONE IN MARBLE...RUN THE GODDAM REPUBLICANS INTO THE POLLUTED WATERS OFF THE NEW JERSEY COASTLINE AND LET THE SHARKS FEED ON THEM! After that, to hell with Obama and McCain, let's elect a Congress that will do and stand for something and let us ride roughshod over and kick the shit out of any that do not understand governance of, by and for the people! WWIII is at hand and the first shots must be fired at home.

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» Self-Reliance Begins At Sunrise. Posted by: Last Chance
» RE: WWIII begins at home! Posted by: nochicagoboys
Fraud, on a massive scale.
Posted by: Lauren on Sep 22, 2008 4:32 AM   
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Instead, Bush's proposal would take bad paper off the books of institutions that are ailing but haven't yet gone belly-up, and we wouldn't necessarily get a stake in those institutions; they'd only become "financial agents of the government," according to the draft released Saturday.

Why isn't this pig called a pig? You can call a pig a whore and put lipstick on it, but why would you want to...

Let's call this 'bail out' what it is, fraud. Fraud and money laundering. When we look at this activity as a conspiracy to defraud us, we have to look more closely at what is going on.

Anger - one letter short of danger, solution? Delay. But the brakes on this deal, the Wall street is not the most important thing, getting a grip on the housing situation is. The banks are doing everything bad to make it worse, they should be forced to deal with the people, let them keep their homes.

This plan is fraud on the largest scale EVER. A fire sale of dispossessed properties created a dependent class forever. The capitalists will rinse and repeat again and again until there is no middle class, all rich and slaves.

I think the bail out is running real fast in the WRONG direction. Don''t let them do it. They are all fools or corrupt and trying to ruin us.

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Beware LABELS -- they Mean NOTHING Under FASCISM
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Sep 22, 2008 4:47 AM   
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Okay, a few basics...

GW Bush and even his regime are not the core force behind this latest extortion racket bailout of what amounts to a Fascist economy. In case anyone hasn’t noticed yet, Bush can barely read a teleprompter without serious, devoted daycare. That does not mean Bush/Cheney and their assorted surface cronies are not criminals, however.

“Capitalism” with its free markets and competition does not exist anymore than “socialism” does with its collectivist rule. Sorry, but these are decoy labels meant to confuse and divide the gullible.

As I’ve said, what certainly does exist is Fascism via parasite organized corporate crime rule that has palmed off one Ponzi scheme over the next so that the economy of the globe is based on no more than a house of cheap smoke and mirrors designed to enrich monopoly corporate freeloaders at the bubbles of boom-bust contrived cycles and “socialize” the losses when unavoidable crashes come.

Put another way, insider Fascists grow rich for the pre-cooked bubbles and rape all Americans on the public nickel for planned crashes.

The practical reality and ground zero for this con is the giant private Ponzi trap “Federal Reserve” Corp (never federal and minus no reserves) built to soak wealth from the public as a virtual giveaway to the super-privileged.

It has gotten far worse, of course: about $1,240,000,000,000,000 worse at a bare minimum.

Insiders Paulson (ex CEO Goldman Sachs) and Bernanke are actually defending an over QUADRILLION dollar ($1,240 Quadrillion or over $1000 TRILLIONS) derivates casino style Wall Street bubble at what amounts to almost 20 times the entire earth’s global GDP (Bank of International Settlements figure). This is complete insanity where a write-down of 10% of the amount would bankrupt the U.S. and several other nations in a heartbeat. But the truth is, Organized Corporate Crime rule has already broken the globe. The criminals now want to putsch the results of all that greed and private free-spending onto a more or less naïve public.

The other reality is that “capitalism” whatever its faults, was never the villain. A system this demented could only exist outside so-called “democracy” and “capitalism” for distraction tags that are meant to decoy the real issue way, way off the table.

The actual issue is FASCISM at the merger of state under criminal corporate monopoly power for what our latest hijack and power grab is all about.

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CASH FOR EQUITY NOT PAPER
Posted by: Peter Mackrael on Sep 22, 2008 4:56 AM   
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The US Congress is currently under pressure to pass Paulson’s $700 billion bail-out proposal.

If any company is given federal assistance, the US government should receive equity in the company, otherwise any massive cash infusion will merely reward those banks that got deepest in debt. Buying their worthless paper makes no sense. There is no clear method to evaluate the paper to be 'bought' and worst of all, no regulations to address the real cause or to investigate possible criminal activity. Buying this worthless paper without enforcing new regulations will merely encourage continued derivatives trading and increase the total debt. If this occurs, does anyone believe that $700 billion will be enough? I expect total bail-out costs could run into the tens of trillions if foreign banks are included.

On the other hand, government ownership will ensure that future profits (if any) are returned to the people and that new regulations to manage derivatives trading - assuming Congress writes them - are followed. If and when these banks become profitable and socially responsible, they can be sold back to private investors.

Further, I do not trust Paulson and the Bush administration to administer this huge 'bail-out/buy-out'. As with the war in Iraq, I fear that most of this money will go to political allies and cronies.

A separate bi-partisan committee/agency should be created to assess other alternatives. One possible alternative is to buy these failing banks at their current market value. All purchases should be subject to review and approval by Congress. If any bank rejects a government buy-out, then perhaps a cash infusion might be offered but with severe restrictions on its’ use.

I believe it is highly likely that conspiracy to defraud and outright fraud has occurred - and will continue to occur - with respect to this 'rescue' plan. Who will investigate fraud/conspiracy and when will these investigations begin? Will any Wall Street fraudsters go to jail?

The current approach uses "fear of imminent financial collapse and appeals to the need for public sacrifice" combined with a rush to push a "clean" bill through a Congress distracted by “how to protect the interests of homeowners facing foreclosure”, without allowing adequate time for assessment. This reminds me of the method that Bush used to pass the bill to authorize the invasion of Iraq. Paulson's initial proposal will give the Bush administration incredible power to privatize profits while socializing the losses!

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The American Public Supports The Status Quo
Posted by: bryangalt on Sep 22, 2008 5:21 AM   
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As much as I agree with what I've read here today concerning the wafer-thin justifications for helping the super rich get even richer, what the true fundamentals of the problem are comes down to this: Joe Six-Pack.

Who is Joe Six-Pack? Well, he is the guy that voted for Bush/Cheney and will vote for McCain too. Jane Six-Pack is out there also. And lets not forget about those folks who only 'think' that they have money. I watched a middle aged woman drive by with a McCain-Palin sticker on her 2007 Lincoln windshield and laughed.

If that's all you can afford lady, you shouldn't be supporting Mr. I've-got-ten-houses so screw the rest of you.

Yes, it's the vast collection of American's who have simply settled down into their little routines of running the kids around, getting the BBQ ready on Saturday's, watching football on Sundays that have let the wolves into the corral. Anyone that didn't take time to cast a FRACKING vote is to blame, because silent approval is just as powerful as the voted kind.

The $700 billion dollars should be used to help people keep their homes without a doubt, not because they deserve to keep them. It's obvious that they bit off more than they could chew too and a little bit of keeping up with the Jones' set in making them forget the fine print still exists.

The fact that our greedy, narcissistic society deserves to get knocked down a few pegs shouldn't put people into the streets. But, it should definitely put the people that engineered this mess into the streets. I wouldn't shed a tear if a few of those high priced CEO's took that final leap out of their high-rises like they did in 1929. Those guys I can respect. They screwed everyone, got screwed themselves and they took responsibility for their actions and saved the country alot of money by not bailing them out.

Thomas Jefferson said this: I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies…if the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency...the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent that their fathers conquered.”

Looks like he was as smart as advertised.

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what's a few hundred billion dollars among friends, right?
Posted by: charles000 on Sep 22, 2008 5:27 AM   
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Let's see, on Friday, we heard the banking quagmire bailout was only a mere $180 billion - such a bargain!

But then, yesterday, this purported bailout suddenly became $700 billion - well, that sounds a bit more serious, but what the hell, what's a few hundred billion dollars among friends, right?

But then, today, we're starting to hear numbers like 1.2 trillion, maybe 1.8 trillion dollars???

Well, hey, when you start talking trillions, now you're talking serious money , , , maybe?

No doubt you may have an additional opinion or two . . . but at this point, I don't think anyone knows what the hell is really going on, and that is my serious, honest opinion

Or, to put it another way:
Bend over everyone - incoming, deep and hard.

Most ordinary folks with a pulse and an IQ above that of a bacteria knew that the excrement was about to hit the high compression blower . . . but even I have to admit, this is beyond seriously deep doodoo we're now in.

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A New Dictator?
Posted by: writerman on Sep 22, 2008 5:36 AM   
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Paulson as Treasury Secretary is demanding powers to oversee the financial system which ammount to ditatorial powers. Do we really want to put so much power in the hands of one man?

One could argue that Paulson will emerge as the most powerful man in the US republic, a kind of unelected, position of power to rival that of the president.

It's like the financial elite want their very own president, leader, protector; because they don't trust Bush to do the job himself.

Concentrating so much economic power in Paulson, has profound political and social implications. Paulson is demanding that his actions be above the law and not subject to redress or scrutiny in the courts. Doesn't this sound like a economic version of Bush's theory that the President, in his role as commander in chief, is also above the law?

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Can we say "October Surprise" in September?
Posted by: rancespergl on Sep 22, 2008 6:05 AM   
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I am convinced that this $700 billion "bail-out" they're trying to ramrod down our throats is, in fact, the October Surprise we've all been anticipating.

What a way to clog the airwaves before the election, eh?

It doesn't so much damage Obama as keeps our eyes off of McCain/Palin.

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Can someone help me out?
Posted by: Von on Sep 22, 2008 6:09 AM   
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In that article the author states that 700 billion "tax dollars" will (may) be used for this bail out ( I call it a government take over but...).

One question I have is; why is this money being called our "tax dollars"? Are'nt our "tax dollars" already used up by paying interests on money borrowed and to the Federal Reserve and already in the red?

And WHY are we always turning to the governemnt for help and protection? Isn't that like asking a thief that just robbed you to please return what they just stolen because they had a change of heart??

In the last two days here on Alternet I have read articles where one is wanting the government to fix this situation and the other is calling the money our "tax dollars".

Wouldn't it be nice that come next Labor Day, millions and millions of us go to Washington DC and show them we are ready and willing to take over OUR RESPONSIBILTIES to have our OWN government and not some damned mutated fascist/capitalistic corporatocricy?

We are the laughing stock of the World as we claim we have a democracy for and by the People, that we have rights and priveledges and the persuits of happiness and a sound and moral justice system.

We set here year after year after year and just keep getting robbed. I recall Bush talking to a woman in front of a large group of people and he had a microphone in his hand. The woman told him and the audience that she works 2 jobs ( maybe it was 3 ) and Bush interrupted and said something along the lines of how she was a great, hard working American because she has more than 1 job. WTF??

She has more than 1 job because she is forced to work her ass off to try to make ends meet..not because she enjoys it and being away from her family.

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» RE: Can someone help me out? Posted by: Last Chance
» RE: Can someone help me out? Posted by: Last Chance
Fascism, then and now
Posted by: citizenjoe on Sep 22, 2008 6:16 AM   
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Robert Scheer was on Democracy Now this morning. He made a very good point about the government talking the peoples money to bail-out the owners of great capital in the past. He said, correctly, that is what Mussolini did in Italy when depression came to that county. Yes indeed, the use of government to help capitalists out of depression at the cost of the peoples money with no control by the people is one of the corner-stones of fascism. "But no we don't have fascism until the police start rounding everybody up as they so please." Sorry, that sort of thing was needed to make the corporate state and empire work when capitalism was relatively puny as compared to today. What we see is fascism in a much richer and more passive country. It isn't coming; it is here and both Democrats and Republicans are part of this war-mongering corporate state--

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» Bastille Day for the USA Posted by: hurricane hugo
» Documentation on fascism Posted by: citizenjoe
Dictator Bush
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Sep 22, 2008 6:29 AM   
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Isnt it sad how Dictator Bush has been so consumed with Global Domination that he has completely forgotten about the US itself and the Sheeple. How pathetic. God help us all if his little "mini-me" McBush wins in November.

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NO
Posted by: Patriot Acting on Sep 22, 2008 6:31 AM   
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They need to just leave it alone, I don't have stock for a reason. You should not trust other people with your money. Let them bail themselves out. But I'm sure it is hard to think clearly with the sun getting in their eyes all the time while sitting on the deck of their yacht. God forbid if they were to sell thier yacht and put the money back in the pot themselves. No let's give them more money to lose from the deck.

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The casino junkies are running the world
Posted by: hagwind on Sep 22, 2008 6:49 AM   
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Excellent essay, Joshua -- in fact, I've been really impressed with AlterNet's offerings on the financial meltdown. They've provided relief (of a sort) from the utter inconsequentiality of most campaign coverage.

I wish I could distill this article into a one- or even five-minute presentation that my friends and acquaintances would sit still and listen to. But keeping the global interconnections straight in my own head is challenging enough. So what I'm pondering is how to translate the macro picture down to the micro level. Joshua wrote:

If, as one definition holds, capitalism is all about maximizing efficiency, what happens when meaningful production becomes so efficient that the system ends up cranking out more goods than the population needs -- more than it can absorb?

One flip-side question is what do our jobs look like in a system that's hell-bent on "maximizing efficiency"? An awful lot of us are interchangeable cogs on assembly lines turning out "have it your way" burgers, or checkout lines at places like Wal-Mart. Another question: How does the system go about unloading those surplus goods it's created, the widgets, the cosmetics, the drugs, the political candidates? Marketing. Advertising. Persuading us we need this stuff by hammering home the message, day in, day out, that we're inadequate without it. Not only have these people degraded the environment, they've degraded the language by relentlessly using it to manipulate, insinuate, and come as close to lying as they can without getting busted.

The contemporary Republican Party has succeeded spectacularly at harnessing the utter amorality of Big Business to the religiosity of the religious Right. With one hand they're creating the problem -- a society in which whatever can't be measured in dollars has no value at all -- and with the other they're holding out a smoke-and-mirrors solution: "traditional family values" that pretty much ignore economic issues altogether. Neat trick as long as you can get away with it.

What I'm doing is pointing out that the unregulated free-for-all we've had since the early 1980s is basically like a big casino. If people want to gamble with dollars, fine; but these people are gambling with companies, countries, and, ultimately, human lives. Whether it's because of greed, testosterone, or adrenaline addiction, these people are out of control. Their concern for human life is on a par with that of your average drug kingpin or power-mad dictator. If they were your relatives, you'd be praying for their souls and trying to get them into rehab. If they were drug kingpins or power-mad dictators -- hey, don't we declare war on those guys?

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Toll roads and bridges are tangible moneymakers
Posted by: scheherezade on Sep 22, 2008 6:52 AM   
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Will we bail out the speculator class so that it can regroup and move on to the next bubble, precipitating the next crisis of capitalism...

The investor class likes sure things when it comes to putting real money on the long-term line.

After this unpleasantness dies down, I expect we'll be hearing loud calls for largescale privatizing of roads, bridges, power companies, water companies, etc.

Needless to say, with the enthusiastic approval of Dickbrain and Dumbcunt Redstate -- who also invite you to replace progressive income taxes with a regressive "Fair Tax" sales levy.

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Don't let your ideology blind you...
Posted by: jdub on Sep 22, 2008 7:24 AM   
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I don't like the bailout anymore than anyone else who has posted here or written about it on Alternet. Nevertheless, the economic reality is that deregulation over thirty years (championed by both parties), particularly the repeal of the Glass-Stegall Act under Gingrich and Clinton and the undermining of labor unions, have made this economic meltdown possible. You want another depression, you'll get it if you don't shore up the banking and credit industry.

Instead of railing against bail outs, better to put energies into electing a Democratic congress and president, rebuilding unions, and restoring a progressive taxation system.

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Deregulation flies in the face of human nature and reality..!
Posted by: TJColatrella on Sep 22, 2008 7:42 AM   
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The so called Conservative obsession with deregulation flies in the face of human nature and the realities we have already learned in the S&L Crisis and the Dot.com collapse among other realities...and what should have been hard learned lessons in our financial markets..!

What is referred to as Conservatism is nothing less than radical recklessness with an intent to defraud and embezzle from the American people,...it's never been anything else than that..!

Let's hope this will finally expose this fraud of Conservatism for the failed philosophy that it truly is..!

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And the OBama Camp ??
Posted by: gellero1 on Sep 22, 2008 7:50 AM   
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Correct me if I'm wrong...............Is it not true that Obama's top financial advisers are the heads of Fannie Mae and FreddieMac??

Isn't it true that Sen. Obama recieved their LARGEST campaign donations. ??

Isn't it true that The Clinton admin had the above institutions basically change the loan rules ( with pressure from the Black Caucus ) so the newly created 'sub prime market' was opened to people who could never be expected to pay ??

Please...........somebody............explain this to me, or correct me.

PS...........isn't Sen Biden well entrenched in banking circles?? They all are Delaware corporations.

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Just accept the Depression -----
Posted by: symcokid on Sep 22, 2008 7:55 AM   
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what else could we realistically expect when the Gold Standard has been done away with and this IOUSofA deals in Deficit Spending - how long can this country spend more than we take in mindset ever be a viable balance of money anyway. The entire economic makeup is like magic anyway, creating something out of nothing - the government will just have to write it off and start all over again.

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Tell me lies Tell me sweet little lies
Posted by: solrev on Sep 22, 2008 8:04 AM   
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The government’s plan to buy the mortgaged-backed assets from financial institutions does not make any sense to me. Then when I hear the government saying, all the air was sucked out of the room but we can not tell you what was said, there is no doubt they have something to hide. The free market for these mortgaged backed assets has collapsed. It is also an assumption that these assets have a value greater than the discount purchase price, an assumption the free market investors would not make. Therefore, there was a run on institutions believed to be highly leveraged in these assets. I will assume that these assets are really that, and have long term value because subprime mortgages are only a small portion of mortgages. I will also agree that having money tied up in these assets creates a shortage of money. I will also agree that making the remaining investment banks commercial, opens their doors to new federal money. So anyone one holding these assets will be fine long term and short term money is available. What is the problem and why does the government want to hold these assets? What a sham, banks are not making loans for lack of money, but for lack of borrowers. The fundamentals of the economy are going to get a lot worse and the dollar will continue to drop. If the rest of the world has the perception that the US recovery will not happen because we have sold out our production base, they may decide to go it alone. They may dump the dollar. I bet that sucked the oxygen out of the room. Creating the delusion that the US is a good place to make money becomes job one. If American investors cool it, maybe the world will too. Regulation is the easy part. Freddy and Fanny can buy up the good commercial loans hold them long term and free up commercial bank money, that is what they were created to do. Reign in speculators again, maybe we will learn something this time, but the underlying lack of a production base makes job creation real hard. Ah there is the rub. There is an old Chinese fortune cookie that say’s; people without jobs buy few products. When we sold out our production base we sold out our consumer base.

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Dead Cats
Posted by: Io on Sep 22, 2008 8:09 AM   
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Dead Cats
Dead Rats
Did you see what they were at

Sucking on a young man's blood
Wishing he could come, yeah
Sucking on a soldier's brain
Wishing it would be the same

Dead cat, dead rat, did you see what they were at
Fat cat in a top hat
Thinks he's an aristocrat
Thinks he can kill and slaughter
Thinks he can shoot my daughter

Dead cats, dead rats, think you're an aristocrat
Crap .... ha, that's crap

Jim Morrison, Ray Manzarek, John Densmore, Robby Krieger

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Shock doctrine at work
Posted by: sharloch on Sep 22, 2008 8:14 AM   
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This crises is far from over yet. The best is still comming. Now we got shocked, so they can push another law down our throats like abolish social security, no funding for Medicare, Patriopt Act III, you name it.... Stalin looks like amateur.

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X-POLYGAMIST WIFE in ARIZONA
Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE on Sep 22, 2008 8:16 AM   
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In 1999 polygamist profit Warren Jeffs told his followers to max out their credit cards and loans because the world was coming to an end in 2000 and they wouldn't have to pay it back. Monies went to build the YFZ Ranch in Texas.

FLDS polygamists bankrupted the Ephraim Bank in Colorado City, AZ and cost Arizona taxpayers 13 million. Now the YFZ Ranch is costing Texas taxpayers millions.

Watch the video:

http://www.bankingonheaven.com

BANKING ON HEAVEN

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The Great Depression didn't just "happen"
Posted by: zooeyhall on Sep 22, 2008 8:26 AM   
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One of the annoying things whenever history books or columnists or tv documentaries refer to the Great Depression of the 1930's--is that they talk about it as something that just "happened", like a hurricane or earthquake. There were FUNDAMENTAL and CLEAR causes that are startlingly similar to what we have today. Among these are: real wages not rising--thus not allowing the working classes to be able to buy the "widgets" being produced, wealth concentration and inequality, unregulated speculation in financial markets. ALL of these factors were evident throughout the decade of the 1920's.

The reason that these factors always seemed to be glossed-over when discussing the Great Depression is that they question the basic assumptions of the capitalist system itself. And that raising these questions amounts to some sort of religious heresy.

So it is with the MSM today. We get talking heads and pundits hehming and hawing on the media. But they don't want to "take the bull by the horns" and just come out and SAY IT that there are problems with the dog-eat-dog form of capitalism in the U.S.

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