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Wall Street Is Licking Its Chops at the Bush Team's Multi-Hundred Billion Dollar Giveaway Plan

By William Greider, TheNation.com. Posted September 21, 2008.


If Wall Street gets away with this, it will represent an historic swindle of the American public.
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Financial-market wise guys, who had been seized with fear, are suddenly drunk with hope. They are rallying explosively because they think they have successfully stampeded Washington into accepting the Wall Street Journal solution to the crisis: Dump it all on the taxpayers. That is the meaning of the massive bailout Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson has shopped around Congress. It would relieve the major banks and investment firms of their mountainous rotten assets and make the public swallow their losses -- many hundreds of billions, maybe much more. What's not to like if you are a financial titan threatened with extinction?

If Wall Street gets away with this, it will represent an historic swindle of the American public -- all sugar for the villains, lasting pain and damage for the victims. My advice to Washington politicians: Stop, take a deep breath and examine what you are being told to do by so-called "responsible opinion." If this deal succeeds, I predict it will become a transforming event in American politics -- exposing the deep deformities in our democracy and launching a tidal wave of righteous anger and popular rebellion. As I have been saying for several months, this crisis has the potential to bring down one or both political parties, take your choice.

Christopher Whalen of Institutional Risk Analytics, a brave conservative critic, put it plainly: "The joyous reception from Congressional Democrats to Paulson's latest massive bailout proposal smells an awful lot like yet another corporatist lovefest between Washington's one-party government and the Sell Side investment banks."

A kindred critic, Josh Rosner of Graham Fisher in New York, defined the sponsors of this stampede to action: "Let us be clear, it is not citizen groups, private investors, equity investors or institutional investors broadly who are calling for this government purchase fund. It is almost exclusively being lobbied for by precisely those institutions that believed they were 'smarter than the rest of us,' institutions who need to get those assets off their balance sheet at an inflated value lest they be at risk of large losses or worse."

Let me be clear. The scandal is not that government is acting. The scandal is that government is not acting forcefully enough -- using its ultimate emergency powers to take full control of the financial system and impose order on banks, firms and markets. Stop the music, so to speak, instead of allowing individual financiers and traders to take opportunistic moves to save themselves at the expense of the system. The step-by-step rescues that the Federal Reserve and Treasury have executed to date have failed utterly to reverse the flight of investors and banks worldwide from lending or buying in doubtful times. There is no obvious reason to assume this bailout proposal will change their minds, though it will certainly feel good to the financial houses that get to dump their bad paper on the government.

A serious intervention in which Washington takes charge would, first, require a new central authority to supervise the financial institutions and compel them to support the government's actions to stabilize the system. Government can apply killer leverage to the financial players: Accept our objectives and follow our instructions or you are left on your own -- cut off from government lending spigots and ineligible for any direct assistance. If they decline to cooperate, the money guys are stuck with their own mess. If they resist the government's orders to keep lending to the real economy of producers and consumers, banks and brokers will be effectively isolated, therefore doomed.

Only with these conditions, and some others, should the federal government be willing to take ownership -- temporarily -- of the rotten financial assets that are dragging down funds, banks and brokerages. Paulson and the Federal Reserve are trying to replay the bailout approach used in the 1980s for the savings and loan crisis, but this situation is utterly different. The failed S&Ls held real assets -- property, houses, shopping centers -- that could be readily resold by the Resolution Trust Corporation at bargain prices. This crisis involves ethereal financial instruments of unknowable value -- not just the notorious mortgage securities but various derivative contracts and other esoteric deals that may be virtually worthless.

Despite what the pols in Washington think, the RTC bailout was also a Wall Street scandal. Many of the financial firms that had financed the S&L industry's reckless lending got to buy back the same properties for pennies from the RTC -- profiting on the upside, then again on the downside. Guess who picked up the tab? I suspect Wall Street is envisioning a similar bonanza -- the chance to harvest new profit from their own fraud and criminal irresponsibility.

If government acts responsibly, it will impose some other conditions on any broad rescue for the bankers. First, take due bills from any financial firms that get to hand off their spoiled assets, that is, a hard contract that repays government from any future profits once the crisis is over. Second, when the politicians get around to reforming financial regulations and dismantling the gimmicks and "too big to fail" institutions, Wall Street firms must be prohibited from exercising their usual manipulations of the political system. Call off their lobbyists, bar them from the bribery disguised as campaign contributions. Any contact or conversations between the assisted bankers and financial houses with government agencies or elected politicians must be promptly reported to the public, just as regulated industries are required to do when they call on government regulars.

More important, if the taxpayers are compelled to refinance the villains in this drama, then Americans at large are entitled to equivalent treatment in their crisis. That means the suspension of home foreclosures and personal bankruptcies for debt-soaked families during the duration of this crisis. The debtors will not escape injury and loss -- their situation is too dire -- but they deserve equal protection from government, the chance to work out things gradually over some years on reasonable terms.

The government, meanwhile, may have to create another emergency agency, something like the New Deal, that lends directly to the real economy -- businesses, solvent banks, buyers and sellers in consumer markets. We don't know how much damage has been done to economic growth or how long the cold spell will last, but I don't trust the bankers in the meantime to provide investment capital and credit. If necessary, Washington has to fill that role, too.

Finally, the crisis is global, obviously, and requires concerted global action. Robert A. Johnson, a veteran of global finance now working with the Campaign for America's Future, suggests that our global trading partners may recognize the need for self-interested cooperation and can negotiate temporary -- maybe permanent -- reforms to balance the trading system and keep it functioning, while leading nations work to put the global financial system back in business.

The agenda is staggering. The United States is ill equipped to deal with it smartly, not to mention wisely. We have a brain-dead lame duck in the White House. The two presidential candidates are trapped by events, trying to say something relevant without getting blamed for the disaster. The people should make themselves heard in Washington, even if only to share their outrage.

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William Greider is the author of, most recently, "The Soul of Capitalism" (Simon & Schuster).

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joking right?
Posted by: cordas on Sep 21, 2008 2:49 AM   
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This can't be allowed to happen, these people have to be held accountable for what they have done.... These are some of the richest "greatest" financiers in the world allegedly, they can't be allowed to get away with this swindle!

They should be thankfull not to be had up against a wall and shot for grand larcency on a previously unkown scale. Not waiting cap in hand for the public they have screwed to be forced to bail them out.

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» RE: joking right? Posted by: nochicagoboys
» Who? How About a Taxpayer Revolt? Posted by: ChicagoPaul
» Here's your link - I think Posted by: photon's feather
» RE: joking right? Posted by: Quannah
» It is a joke! Posted by: donl51
» RE: joking right? Posted by: Von
An Escalation Of The War On Truth & Personal Responsibility...
Posted by: gazooks on Sep 21, 2008 3:56 AM   
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... originates in the same mentality and duplicitous policies of central authority controls that got us here in the first place! It guarantees the economic destruction and resulting governmental dependency of the middle class for survival. This is NOT accidental nor unforeseen, fellow citizens.

This "bailout" is the manifest end of equity, economically and politically, for 90+% of Americans. Our children will mature in a state controlled environment of constantly escalating, manipulative "emergencies" which will deepen the pit into which we've fallen.

It's a predatory strategy entirely based on the continuum of lies and manipulation that's so apparent in every facet of this government. Where is the credibility in the "guidance" of authority in a completely failing system that simply repeats and compounds what problems IT has created and which benefits the same elite, parasitic minority?

IT is now not just taking the remnants of equity from an already fleeced middle and lower class, but sucking any semblance of individual economic and political freedom from next generations. We're such hopelessly gullible fools willing to mortgage our collective souls and that of our children for shiny beads and trinkets.

THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT OUR FRIEND, FRIENDS! THE TRAP IS SPRUNG, THE FLOODGATES ARE WIDE OPEN, THE DELUGE BEGINS IN EARNEST, NOW.

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» You can leave any time you want Posted by: LeaderofMen
» There is if they're stolen assets Posted by: paulmagillsmith
a classic move
Posted by: grmartin on Sep 21, 2008 4:12 AM   
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Nothing like a crisis to use the opportunity to commit a crime. The liabilities of the gambling investment elite are being neatly transfered to the backs of the working poor and their descendents. They have to pay for Iraq, now this. What a closing screw from the Whitehouse!

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» RE: on["Disaster Capitalism''] Posted by: nochicagoboys
» RE: a classic move Posted by: gazooks
You were ..WARNED!!
Posted by: Captainmagic on Sep 21, 2008 4:19 AM   
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NERO.... "fiddles whilst Rome Burns" This half baked, get in for your chop, I know where there is a bundle to be had,approach is going to torch your economy. What!! it cant happen to us! The IMF has been asked to intervene on Americas behalf so that it can be rated. How about third world rated. If you believed in capitalism ah la americana you would know that America has just embraced socialism...oh my gawd...America, a socialist state. Does that go hand in hand with Fascism or is that being unkind to socialist democracies such as that of the Australians, say. Can you see Monty Pythons Cleese, looking furtive and disparaged then finally standing aggressively and saying in a meek voice...No it's Not!!

$800b is a lot of socialist money my friends and I hope you have got it insured with a non socialist insurance company like A.I.G. Ooops, I mean, the U.S. treasury Ooops I mean..Um.. Fool me once and shame on you. Fool me twice shame on er..shamefull..er..you see...um..er.. you cant fool me twice no sireee..

Rome or a much lesser Rome is burning and your armies are where!!! that absolute Rat you call a president speaks to you as though he has a clue. You have been given countless clues as to the depth of his Cabals theft, yet you still cling to your straws( bail outs)...Wake THE f@#K UP AMERICA!!!!!!YOU CANT AFFORD THESE THIEVES LET ALONE AFGHANISTAN OR IRAN.

See how they run.. which way do they turn..they are on the edge of reasoning...which door do they choose...If you choose warfare you will condemn yourselves to poverty.

I already know which way they will turn...we of the real free world already know. Do you!

Captain OUT

P.S. General Petreaus are you the man "they" want to have to lead Centcom down the path that so many before had refused to travel. Sir.. are you... the Fifth Horseman?...are you?

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» What are you saying? Posted by: Fencerider
» RE: What are you saying? Posted by: donl51
Rubin & Co gets a woody
Posted by: weathered on Sep 21, 2008 5:16 AM   
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the usual suspects, you know the ones the WSJrl/biz press loves to ovulate over? They abhor the 'greater good'.

Humility eludes us, denial becomes us and trouble follows us.
For some this simple but essential spiritual lesson is just too hard to grasp.

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Well?
Posted by: Direct Democracy on Sep 21, 2008 5:49 AM   
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George W. Bush wants to give $700 billion of our money away.

Shouldn't we be able to vote on it?


FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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» RE: Well? Posted by: nochicagoboys
» How will votes be counted? Posted by: Last Chance
» What?? Posted by: photon's feather
» Speaking of prosecutors... Posted by: photon's feather
The payoff
Posted by: CTvoter on Sep 21, 2008 6:54 AM   
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This is the final move in the big payoff. You see, the big banks ripped people off by putting them in homes that they could not afford. Then they seized the homes once the people defaulted. But they were still left holding the worthless mortgages. What to do?
Get the gubment to bail out the loans! Now they have the mortgages covered!
And who covered the mortgages? Why, the same people who could not afford the mortgages in the first place.
But wait, here's the great part. They get to keep the money AND the properties that they seized. Anyone want to buy a foreclosed home on an interest-only loan?

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» I doubt this is the last time. Posted by: andabottleof_rum
Goodbye America!!!
Posted by: skoog5600 on Sep 21, 2008 6:55 AM   
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Get out while you can. It's interesting to see my former country going down.

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» RE: Goodbye America!!! Posted by: Von
» RE: Goodbye America!!! Posted by: Laina27
Hard Time for White Collar Crime
Posted by: ranchero42 on Sep 21, 2008 6:56 AM   
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Disincentivize it. NOW.

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X-POLYGAMIST WIFE in ARIZONA
Posted by: X-POLYGAMIST WIFE on Sep 21, 2008 7:01 AM   
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DC's white supremacists are every bit as corrupt as Warren Jeffs and his polygamist thugs in Colorado City, Arizona.

White Bible-thumping Fundies are taking over America, and they want us all barefoot and pregnant.

BANKING ON HEAVEN . COM

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What can we do about it, though?
Posted by: Scientz on Sep 21, 2008 7:11 AM   
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I agree that the middle class should be bailed out of its housing crisis instead of Wall Street being bailed out this mess . . . but what can we do about it?

I agree that it is intense deregulation that has caused this mess . . . but what can we do about it?

Righteous anger is no longer enough.

Condemnation on message boards is no longer enough.

Hell, marching in the streets is no longer enough either, for "they" don't listen, and we simply get arrested en masse for the effort.

Seriously, folks . . . what can we do?

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» RE: What can we do about it, though? Posted by: nochicagoboys
» I wish I could vote . . . Posted by: Scientz
More of the same
Posted by: LeaveMeAlone on Sep 21, 2008 7:13 AM   
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After 9/11 Delta Airlines went to Congress and said that if they didn't get a 100 million loan guarantee, they would go under. They got the loan and gave 70 million off the top to the top executives. Retention bonuses, they called it. When the press heard about it and raised hell, the response was, "We had to do it," in order to keep on the payroll the same folks who made the decisions that put the company in its do-or-die predicament.

The same thing will happen with the bankers. They will dump their bad paper on the taxpayers and return to profitability. And what will they do with their new profitablity? Pay themselves hundreds of millions for a single year of work. They of course will justify this by decrying "class envy" if anyone objects.

I never want to hear again about the sanctity of the market. Or the great benefits of "creative destruction." All that crap the elite mouth-off when working people's lives are destroyed when their jobs are eliminated or shipped overseas.

What we have now is communism for the elites.

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» RE: More of the same Posted by: nochicagoboys
» RE: More of the same Posted by: JSquercia
» RE: More of the same Posted by: donl51
Rip off
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Sep 21, 2008 8:13 AM   
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No doubt about it, someone on Wall Street is about go get VERY rich, at the Sheeples expense and I got a feeling Dictator Bush will be up to his eyeballs in PROFIT from the deal. That is after all what politics is all about in the new REgime.

Jiffers
Ultimate Anonymity

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» YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! Posted by: donl51
the corporate chimps on wall street
Posted by: blogoffanddie on Sep 21, 2008 8:34 AM   
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Thank God we still have socialism for the rich. How would they make the payments on their multi-million dollar mansions and Mercedes’ without a little helping hand from Joe Middle Class American Taxpayer. Like you, I often worry for the rich too.

Don't worry, the corporate chimps on wall street will still get their mega bucks bonuses and salaries. They will be rewarded for all the hard work they do (cheating the tax paying public out of its money).

The American Dream is failing because the American Dream has become the world's nightmare.

http://blogoffanddie.wordpress.com

So long Dubya, we'll always have debt and Guantanamo

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the corporate chimps on wall street
Posted by: blogoffanddie on Sep 21, 2008 8:39 AM   
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Thank God we still have socialism for the rich. How would they make the payments on their multi-million dollar mansions and Mercedes’ without a little helping hand from Joe Middle Class American Taxpayer. Like you, I often worry for the rich too.

The American Dream is failing because the American Dream has become the world's nightmare.

http://blogoffanddie.wordpress.com

So long Dubya, we'll always have debt and Guantanamo

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Crime Triumphant
Posted by: Last Chance on Sep 21, 2008 9:14 AM   
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This huge financial bail-out, assuming a corrupted Congress approves it, will be the most gigantic theft of taxpayer's money in World history. Is there anything to compare it to? How about the theft of public money by Soviet bureaucrats when the USSR collapsed? So now, instead of free enterprise, we have a similar form of partial state capitalism as in present day Russia, with whom a war could start over postage stamp Sakartvelo (Georgia)! Whatever is said to justify it, I call it criminal insanity and the price America pays for refusing to impeach Bush and Cheney!

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» RE: Crime Triumphant Posted by: CatDad
Please disabuse me of a most-likely errant notion...
Posted by: lexicon on Sep 21, 2008 9:21 AM   
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If the underlying mortgages at the bottom of this mess were "made good", then the 47 trillion dollar pyramid sitting on top of them would remain "good" too, right?

So, the clear problem here, is that instead of fixing the problem, they're putting a band-aid on the results.

If congress put 200 billion dollars into making direct subsidy payments on the underlying mortgages, on behalf of the homeowners, the whole thing would stop tipping. The vast pyramid of CDS and other derivatives would have time to unwind gracefully, and all would be well.

The payments could be structured as a federally guaranteed 2nd mortgage, like an FHA bridge loan or something...which would DIRECTLY help keep people in their homes.

The proposed bailout will do NOTHING to keep people in their homes.

The thing is, even if the property values dropped 50%, (not theoretically unlikely), as long as mortgage payments continue to be made, then none of the 'triggers' that are causing this disaster would be tripped!

Am I crazy? is this concept fundamentally incorrect?

lexicon

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» RE: Clever and obvious: Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Actually... Posted by: oregoncharles
» A T-bill is an IOU Posted by: jimbee
"One or Both"
Posted by: oregoncharles on Sep 21, 2008 9:39 AM   
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Look again at Greider's article again, then check out Glenn Greenwald's: "First, the fact that Democrats are on board with this scheme means absolutely nothing. When it comes to things the Bush administration wants, Congressional Democrats don't say "no" to anything. They say "yes" to everything. That's what they're for." (/www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/09/20/ bailout/index.html?source=newsletter) (remove space to activate).

We are being asked to put 2 of those same Congressional patsies in charge of our futures and the cleanup from the toxic mess they helped create. We know which side they really support: they both voted for the "Bankruptcy Reform" bill. Biden ALWAYS supports finance, because so many firms are chartered in Maryland. The choice of VP is very telling, here. There's been a flood of Wall Street money into Obama's campaign, probably because they can read polls, too, and they knew it was all coming down. Best to pay off the potential cops BEFOREHAND.

Aren't I a beacon of joy.

The point is, our only good options are complete outsiders. That would be Nader and McKinney. I'm a Green and I'm voting for Cynthia, but I'm also going to ask her to promise to put Ralph in the government - attorney general would be good - if elected. His expertise will be badly needed. Greg Palast, too.

The plan, obviously, is to have the whole theft set in stone before a new President takes office. What do you know - they DO read polls. Probably some of their own, that we don't get to see.

At that point, do you really want people in charge who are obviously members of the cabal?

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If Justice Were Done --
Posted by: Last Chance on Sep 21, 2008 9:55 AM   
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The speculators should be prosecuted, and all the people who lost there homes because those speculators caused a rise in interest rates beyond their ability to pay, should be offered a return to those homes at the original monthly payments. The Bush White House rushes to save the banks, but does nothing to save new American home owners! But this is only part of the price Americans are paying for refusing to demand the impeachment of Bush and Cheney. World War Three is next!

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YOUR MONEY IS NOT PROTECTED FROM BANKS/INVESTORS/HOSPITALS
Posted by: Overburdened Planet on Sep 21, 2008 10:50 AM   
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Why gamble (vs. shelter) your money from banks, investors, (and now hospital bills)? If you aren't rich, you have to be poor—otherwise you stand to lose everything, so what's the point of playing their game folks?

How much of your money is covered by FDIC?
The 1.22% Reserve Ratio means that for every dollar in your bank account, the FDIC has 1-22/100¢ “in reserve” ready to cover your potential losses. This has proved to be an ample amount during the period of stability we've recently had, but it doesn't seem particularly significant, considering the recent headlines about banking losses.
———

There’s only so much FDIC money to go around
The FDIC gathered a list of 90 banks it considers "in trouble." The list constitutes merely 1 percent of the institutions the FDIC insures; IndyMac was not included on the list.

Regulators predict that more than 100 banks will go under in the next year or so. Most of them are regional banks that specialized in riskier loans when the housing market was booming.

The FDIC is allocated $53 billion to cover bank failures. It expects to spend roughly 10 percent of that -- between $4 billion and $8 billion -- to bail out IndyMac alone. However, the rest of that money could go fast.
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FDIC Failed Bank List

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”Profits are privatized but losses are socialized…”
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The Shocking Truth About Upfront Hospital Fees
...applied for “charity care” at other hospitals but was rejected because he has saved about $10,000 in a 401(k)…most likely to be hit with upfront fees are the underinsured and the recently uninsured…having employer-provided insurance is no guarantee that you won’t need to pay before check-in…Today, the typical patient with private insurance is responsible for 23 percent of his or her medical bills—more than twice the out-of-pocket costs in 1980.

…if you need 30 radiation treatments, but your insurance will cover only 12, you pay for the other 18...And increasingly, you’ll be required to pay for them beforehand.”

…(hospitals demand payment upfront) usually from patients with long-term, costly conditions such as cancer and heart disease that may be life-threatening but aren’t classified as “medical emergencies.” (Hospitals are required by law to treat medical emergencies before asking for payment.)

…half of all hospitals lose money on patient care and see only a “narrow window of profit” from other income sources—such as grants and community donations—leaving one in four U.S. hospitals operating in the red. According to the AHA, for every $1 provided in patient care, hospitals receive only 92¢ in Medicare reimbursements and 87¢ from Medicaid, the federal-state health program for low-income people.

…(HOWEVER) Wall Street Journal analysis of data from the American Hospital Directory, the 50 largest not-for-profit institutions enjoyed a combined net income of $4.27 billion in 2006, an eightfold increase since 2001.

Meanwhile, the nation’s 2,919 nonprofit community hospitals receive some $50 billion in annual tax exemptions and other subsidies. Of those facilities, one in seven that responded to a 2006 Internal Revenue Service survey required patients to pay or make an arrangement for payment prior to being admitted.

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First thing first
Posted by: Falang on Sep 21, 2008 10:55 AM   
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First thing first, this is happening because Wall Street became the speculator wet dream put in place by the lobbyist work force so the first move should be to abolish the lobbyists and make the lobby illegal, what do you think they are doing in Washington this weekend and next week, it’s a 10 rounds for lobbyists to make sure that the bailout will profit Wall Street not Main Street and to make sure that the harsh money regulation will not see the light of the day.

The politicians and lobbyists already started the spin by saying that maybe the tax payers will make money with the bailout, why the tax payers should make money with bad loans that Wall Street can’t.
They are saying that if they don’t do the bailout people may loose their pension plan, they will be no money for credit so people will loose their job and health care and the economy will turn sour.
Look at the US economy right now and you will see that people are already loosing their job, pension plan and health care so it will make no difference if they don’t do the bailout.
This trillion dollars bailout will push the inflation up and the will push the interest rate up so more foreclosures and the same guys who’s actions put the economy in abyssal red will buy back to houses at a few pennies in the dollar and start the same cycle again and again.

Heads should be rolling in Wall Street and Washington right now but I don’t see any sign of it.

People who loose their home or money in this should be bring together to file in court the biggest class action of the history to strip down every pennies of the Wall Street mafia (this include politicians that have make it possible).

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» RE: First thing first Posted by: Von
Irony
Posted by: tngreen on Sep 21, 2008 11:43 AM   
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You know what I find ironic? This Congress can spend decades debating whether to close Gitmo, whether to decriminalize marijuana, whether to pass the ERA, whether to fund Head Start, whether to raise the minimum wage--any program that helps ordinary citizens--yet the f*ckers can get together in the middle of the night and within HOURS concoct a plan to save Wall Street's ass.

Ironic, don't you think?

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» RE: Irony Posted by: lightwing1
Did any of you know that the bailout bill contains this?
Posted by: Beck on Sep 21, 2008 1:04 PM   
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"Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency."

If we don't all spend the day on the phone tomorrow to our elected representatives, if we let stand that this bailout can't be reviewed by courts or our own government agencies, we're letting them get away with financial murder. I read this on commondreams, but it's from the Huffington post:

Published on Sunday, September 21, 2008 by the Huffington Post
Welcome to the Final Stages of the Coup...

by Larisa Alexandrovna

If you must break the law, do it to seize power: in all other cases observe it.
- Julius Caesar



In 2000, the long fought for and long admired democracy of the United States of America began a slow and steady decline toward fascism - a Bush family tradition - with the installment of a president - a man the citizens overwhelmingly rejected (although the funny math told a still believed myth) - by a few corrupt judges on the US Supreme Court. That coup is now nearly complete and checkmate is all but unavoidable.

Let me first point you to the Bush administration's so-called Wall Street bailout bill, here, so that you can see for yourself that this treachery is being conducted in the light of day. Fascism is finally and formally out of the right-wing closet even if the F word is not yet openly being used (although it should be, and often).

Now, if you do not yet understand that the Wall Street crisis is a man-made disaster done through intentional deregulation and corruption, I have a bridge in Alaska to sell to you (or Sara Palin does anyway). This manufactured crisis is now to be remedied, if the fiscal fascists get their way, with the total transfer of Congressional powers (the few that still remain) to the Executive Branch and the total transfer of public funds into corporate (via government as intermediary) hands.

Adam Davidson of NPR blogs about the so-called bailout bill as follows:

I would guess that this has to be one of the biggest peacetime transfers of power from Congress to the Administration in history. (Anyone know?). Certainly one of the most concise.

The Treasury Secretary can buy broadly defined assets, on any terms he wants, he can hire anyone he wants to do it and can appoint private sector companies as financial deputies of the US government. And he can write whatever regulation he thinks are needed.


You can read the rest on the Huffinton Post or commondreams.org.

It's not just a bailout. It's furthering a takeover.

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» Corruption on the grandest scale. Posted by: andabottleof_rum
» Stupid Posted by: Cathyc
An astonsihing possibility
Posted by: sawdust on Sep 21, 2008 1:44 PM   
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If this happens, it will raise criminal behavior to a new level. God help us and somebody PLEASE impeach Bush and put Paulson in jail!

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OUTRAGE!!! THEY ROLL OVER US AS THEY STEAL OUR TAX DOLLARS AND FUTURE!
Posted by: cori on Sep 21, 2008 1:45 PM   
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I am outraged and you should be too!!! Everyone call your congressmen and women and senators and express your outrage 202 224 3121. Just call this number and ask for your rep. Lets make a storm! Its the least you can do. They will make us pay in every way!
As people lose their homes, jobs, lives they don't care and unless we start making a loud noise they will roll over us like we're a bunch of insects while demanding our hard earned tax dollars for their incompetency and corruption.

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If taxpayer monies bail out Wall St.,then WE OWN IT!!!!
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Sep 21, 2008 1:54 PM   
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You know,if you or I have hit the skids so bad we lose everything there's no one we can turn to,except maybe family. If you're a Wall St. Giant why should those rules be any different? If your business accumine is so bad you run the company billions in debt,you deserve to go under. If the government ,that we pay for, decides to use our money we pay them,to buy a bank or two,then I say WE OWN IT!!!
I think if anyone is going to get 'bailed out' it should be the people you idiots!!!!
This is pure 1%er politics. The richest Americans are not going to go shopping at goodwill!! SO the politicians they bought and paid for use our funds to build them back up.
Getting International help isn't that big a deal either. Through our banking industries we've been leveraged into most economies around the globe and the world's rich will bail eachother out any day of the week.
Most of us Americans live at or below $50,000
a year. We shop at Wal-Mart. We pinch pennies so our kids can go to 'what-ever camp'. Already the cost of food and gas is killing us so why should we care if a few multi-millionaires have to eat bologna sandwiches instead of lobster. We don't!! But we damn sure care when you say you're going to use our taxes to pay for a broken,mismanaged financial institution. Either let them fold up or make them public owned. If we pay for it,then we own it. If not,then my friends I tell you truly, we live under the tyranny of the wealthy.

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ba
Posted by: mnstra on Sep 21, 2008 1:53 PM   
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The best article on this so far. There is not much more to say about this. The cost has exceeded distraction/destruction from Katrina, Gustave, Ike, Fay to name a few.Now i ask you if we could generate a destructive hurricane on purpose to destroy Texas just so we could generate more wealth for the wall Street fat cats, wouldn't there be a general strike all across the country. and out and out rebellion.? NO!!!!!!1
Our moronic entertainment saturated consumer will just sit on their couches and do nothing like they are doing now.
It is clear to me that i have to leave the country.It is going down fast. Read the Shock Doctrine by Klein.You may see that all this melt down has been calculated not an accident.

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GET LOU DOBBS ON THIS AT ONCE! ! ! ! !
Posted by: jvaljon1 on Sep 21, 2008 2:01 PM   
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This needs all the 'publicity' that it can get and I see only three people/entities influential enough on the public airwaves to get the job done:

1) Lou Dobbs
2) Michael Moore
3) MoveOn.org
4) Congressman Ron Paul

They can educate the REST OF AMERICA--especially about that almost invisible 'transfer-of-power' that renders Congress answerable only to corporations.

The evil people who did this--in the sacred name of "deregulation"--will stop at nothing to get their REAL agenda--the takeover of our (formerly) free society, represented in this monstrous billion dollar giveaway to the architects of this disaster--passed. In a hurry, in the dead of night--whenever.

A final stickup by the Cowboy President? Much much worse than that. The "Adolph"--(as in Hitler)--izing" of America.

Four years ago there was a satirical bumper sticker, calling for:

BUSH/CHENEY - FOUR MORE YEARS! BECAUSE IT TAKES
(pictured) EIGHT(8)YEARS, TO DESTROY AMERICA

I wish that had stayed on my car and not washed off. Because instead of its being satirical, we now see that the bumper sticker was our one last warning glimpse, into the inexorable Bush future.

And now, for that American takeover buried in the bailout of the banks? America's enemies have won. Mission Accomplished--if this horror goes through.

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» America's enemies? Posted by: Cathyc
» MoveOn.org?! Posted by: photon's feather
Bushit checked with the experts
Posted by: modeler on Sep 21, 2008 2:04 PM   
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Who else but Wallstreet losers. What a jerky joke!

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$700 billion would be just the beginning
Posted by: The Other Katherine Harris on Sep 21, 2008 2:15 PM   
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The $700 billion limit is just for HOLDINGS at a given moment and outstanding “derivatives” (illiquid secondary bets derived from the presumed value of underlying assets) have a notional value of more than A QUADRILLION DOLLARS: $1.144 quadrillion, according to the Bank of Interntational Settlement’s latest report – which is already outdated. Derivative bets doubled in 2007, doubled again in the first half of this year and are still being sold (although they should have been banned instantly, when the crisis became widely apparent last year). Today’s actual total could easily be twice as much. Nobody knows, since so much of it trades secretly, not through any exchange. Even if we call it one quadrillion rather than two, we’re talking about more money than exists! We’re talking about more than 20 times the entire world’s annual GDP and even a one percent writedown on $1 quadrillion is $10 trillion.

Significantly, as long as the total amount and whereabouts of this crap remain unknown, nothing will restore trust among banks and loosen the lending, as Robert Reich (an opponent of the bailout) pointed out on his blog a few days ago. So this plan will NOT WORK, except to complete the bankruptcy of America, making any further social spending impossible (aka, the Republican agenda).

The madness MUST be stopped. Otherwise, we can kiss the prospect of universal healthcare and a “green jobs” initiative goodbye and we’ll soon also lose Social Security and everything else that a civilized nation is supposed to collect tax dollars for, perhaps even public education.

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» A civilized nation? Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: A civilized nation? Posted by: Quannah
» No, worse... Posted by: photon's feather
I worry for the rich too!
Posted by: blogoffanddie on Sep 21, 2008 2:18 PM   
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Thank God we still have socialism for the rich. How would they make the payments on their multi-million dollar mansions and Mercedes’ without a little helping hand from Joe Middle Class American Taxpayer. Like you, I often worry for the rich too.

The American Dream is failing because the American Dream has become the world's nightmare. Until the American people learn this truth, nothing will change in America.

After years of bombardment from the mainstream media, the American populace has been dumbed-down and programmed to ignore the substance, realities and the issues of the world around them, and focus on the peripheral, pointless and more often than not, irrelevant sideshows created by a news media, government and economic system full of hucksters, corporate bootlickers and suck-ups.

America has become a circus and a nation of voyeurs and peeping Toms. It is slowly devolving into a mindless freak show that millions of simpletons can watch every night on their TV's.

As a result, the American people are too confused, distracted or lazy to look up from their TV sets to see or do anything about the destruction that is taking place.

http://blogoffanddie.wordpress.com

So long Dubya, we'll always have debt and Guantanamo

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"Socialism" for Organized Corporate Crime = FASCISM...
Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Sep 21, 2008 2:20 PM   
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Where "capitalism" does not exist except as a decoy slogan. In other words, beware of LABELS because they mean less than zero on our Orwellian landscape.

Greieder has been an apologist for the private Ponzi scheme sham better known as the "Federal Reserve" Corporation that was never "federal" and has minus no reserves. Despite that, this is possibly the best article he has ever written (the article is titled "Paulson Bailout Plan a Historic Swindle" at the Nation magazine). However the piece neglects critical information aside from omitting the usual "Fed" swindle.

The proposed bailout is far worse than just corporate welfare. It is about a parasite ruling class run on organized corporate crime (FASCISM) where insiders take easy profits at the pre-fab bubbles and socialize virtually all the losses at the bottom crash of boom-bust cycles through extortion and de facto control of a Washington-MSM axis.

Put another way, insider Fascists grow rich for the bubbles and stick all Americans on the public nickel for the inevitable crashes.

$1,240,000,000,000,000

Insiders Paulson and Bernanke are actually defending an over QUADRILLION dollar ($1,24 Quadrillion or over $1000 TRILLIONS) derivates casino style Wall Street bubble at what amounts to almost 20 times the entire earth’s global GDP (Bank of International Settlements figure). This is complete madness.

This is also garden-variety Fascism at the merger of state under corporate monopoly power

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$10,000 Dollars for 100 Million Families or 1,000 Billion Billion for Billionaires?
Posted by: Ottomatic on Sep 21, 2008 2:30 PM   
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They stole the Money
Let them pay the Piper for their crimes.
When we asked for 19 Billion dollars for Child Health Care,
Bush said, He had no money!
How Christian?
But when it comes to his Corporate Cronies he lies and says there is plenty.
As long as you pay for it.
We have been paying for it and we are paying for it
Everyday of our lives.
It is a SHAM!
We've paid with our jobs, savings, health, homes, and our children's Blood,
Enough is Enough and
This is Too MUCH!!!
No more Corporate Welfare, Bailouts and Tax Cuts for The Corporate Aristocracy!
Start over!
They're complete and utter Failures.
Kick the Crooks out!
BUSH/CHENEY and The Forty Thieves!
Surge
Purge
Update and
!REBOOT!

You're paying for this Lying, Spying, Thieving, Secretive. Treasonous, Torturous:
Bush Abomination.
Plug the HOLE!!
Stop the BU__! SH__!
Start over!
1,000 Billions would buy Energy Independence for
The United Sates Forever and
How many millions of jobs would that create?
No more money for the Rich!
Go Local
Go Big
Go Now!

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» American Families! Posted by: bobtr900
Corporate Welfare
Posted by: taxidriver on Sep 21, 2008 2:34 PM   
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Amazing how people complain about so-called welfare cheats cashing their $700 check, but don't complain about corporate welfare that's literally a billion times worse.

Maybe all of Wall Street should be forced to endure the bureaucracy and humiliation associated with welfare to the poor? Then again, these guys know no shame.

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» Corporate Welfare Posted by: Cathyc
Not the only ones
Posted by: dockboy on Sep 21, 2008 2:39 PM   
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Wall Street isn't the only ones who stand to win. The idiot mortgage holders who knew they couldn't afford the homes they were buying will also win out. IMO, they should all lose. We can't afford this.

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» RE: Not the only ones Posted by: Quannah
» RE: Not the only ones Posted by: dockboy
» RE: Not the only ones Posted by: Quannah
Couldn't Deliver Social Security
Posted by: tylin10 on Sep 21, 2008 2:43 PM   
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Bush couldn't deliver the Social Security trust fund to Wall Street, as promised. He had to give them something before he left office; they've done so much for him. They were his base, after all.

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TOTAL COST OF BAILOUT
Posted by: Jest2007 on Sep 21, 2008 2:49 PM   
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The total cost of the bailout is $1 trillion.

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» $1 trillion of Play Money! Posted by: Cathyc
Sounds Like a Pre-Existing Condition To Me
Posted by: wmichaeltrout on Sep 21, 2008 3:02 PM   
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and isn't that how aig and Cos. made all that extra money to invest in real estate? by denying insurance claims to sick and dying people in the united states and all over the world?

if ever i wanted a single payer administered system of health care (and i do), first i would have to break the existing system. so let it break.

if i was writing the letter informing aig of the taxpayer/health client's position, it would read something like this:

ladies and gentlemen

i am sorry to inform you that we have declined to cover your most recent claim for $85b in public monies to remedy your worsening health.

unfortunately, we have determined that your present state is a result of a pre-existing condition, and, in spite of the obvious fact that you are in death's throes, you can understand why we must regretfully stand by and watch you expire.

if, by the grace of god, or a trick of satan, you should survive your present quandary, please feel free to contact us in the future.

signed

the taxpayers

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» "What do we do?" "Deny the claim!" Posted by: hurricane hugo
The action needed is:
Posted by: ReformerRay on Sep 21, 2008 3:04 PM   
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The real action needed is to reject the proposed infusion of money into the system.

Ok, you say, and let the system collapse? No. Think more carefully. A better way is to approach this in terms of the problem - firms required to write down their assets because they are forced to use mark-to-market accounting.

Spending $700 billion is not the only solution available. The problem is largely an accounting issue. Firms are forced to write down their losses as though they were selling their securities today. That is stupid. No one is selling these securities. Why not recognize and exploit that fact?

The U.S. should establish a way for firms to place the toxic contracts in quarantine until the contagion passes. The Congress should set up a new federal agency with a budget of 1 billion dollars per year rather than authorize spending $700 billion. This new agency will receive temporary ownership of all the toxic contracts that any firm or individual anywhere in the world wants to unload. By law, the value of these contracts will remain fixed as long as they are in the possession of this agency. While in the possession of this agency, none of these contracts can be bought or sold. This agency should be given the power to manage these contracts for the benefit of the original owners. The power transferred must include the ability to adjust mortgage payments to that level which will return the most dollars to the owner, as compared with default. Owners will have the right to reclaim their assets any time they wish, at which time their value will be estimated by the federal agency and the owner will have to take the contracts back and show them on their books at the new, realistic price.


W. Raymond Mills
1006 Oberlin Dr.
Columbus, OH 43221
Ph. 614-451-4075
wrmills@wideopenwest.com
Sept. 21, 2008

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» RE: The action needed is: Posted by: wagnerrocks@gmail.com
» RE: The action needed is: Posted by: Jeanne
In about 15 minutes, I just emailed 2 senators, my rep, and the white house
Posted by: Beck on Sep 21, 2008 3:11 PM   
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comments@whitehouse.gov


For the rest, google "contact" and the name of the official. I didn't even have to go through their official websites; there is a separate "contact me"link on google. Nail them. And call tomorrow anyway, even if you email.

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Republicans nearly destroyed the global economy
Posted by: Dboy on Sep 21, 2008 3:26 PM   
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...and there's no reason to let them off the hook for it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N79xF1SBFk


dboy

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Main Street is also culpable......
Posted by: Jennie on Sep 21, 2008 3:47 PM   
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and not just in the US of A. This does not in any way exonerate the robber barons of Wall Street or their political enablers. Still, while property prices were skyrocketing along with the values of our investments or pension plans, how many people looked behind the smoke and mirrors to see if the foundations were sound. Much better to relax in the financial sunshine than worry about the hurricane that hot air usually generates.
Those of us who live in democracies are responsible for the standard of governance of our elected represntatives. Rules ARE necessary for a functional society - rules to control the worst of human instincts and to promote the best. It seems to me that greed is the most pervasive negative trait of mankind so forget about sex and its possible consequences and elect those who will enact laws to control the greed of individuals, corporations and nations for money, resources and power.

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» Main street is solely to blame Posted by: eric25690
SOLD to the FINANCIERS? Why not to the EuropeanUnion/Russia?
Posted by: pirugenia on Sep 21, 2008 3:55 PM   
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They deal better with money (Putin reduced poverty from 40% to 14%). Irrational proposal? The only rationality the Financial finagler class has is its own profit. The crisis has a good side: it gives US the chance to get those bums, the money merchants, kicked out of our home. The cowards will run out of places to hide sooner or later. No nation wants them.

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» No nation wants them? Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: No nation wants them? Posted by: pirugenia
» RE: No nation wants them? Posted by: JSquercia
watch the derivatives, people!
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Sep 21, 2008 3:56 PM   
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If/when they begin to collapse (which would happen within weeks if they're going to), it's Game Over.

jdfu!

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» Glad you asked, Q. EVERYBODY READ THIS. Posted by: hurricane hugo
Convergence
Posted by: LeaderofMen on Sep 21, 2008 4:05 PM   
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Notice how Bush is not on a single talk show, nowhere to be seen and will have nothing to do with this most historic event. There's his legacy: one of total disregard. Laying this meltdown on our shoulders proves he doesn't give a shit about the people, just his cronies.

But this ex-pat knew all about it in February:

http://www.bidstrup.com/

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» RE: Convergence Posted by: Von
STUDY YOUR HISTORY, PEOPLE!
Posted by: djnoll on Sep 21, 2008 4:12 PM   
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This is the final nail in the American Democratic Coffin, Folks. In the 1930's Hitler systematically gutted their Constitution, allowed for acts of violence against innocents at home and abroad, intimidated their Parliament into passing laws that allowed him to gain control of food and water supplies, press, speech and public gatherings, to spy on citizens, and finally, the financial markets. Once that was quietly done through a series of "crises" within Germany, he topped it off with the declaration of martial law and war.

We have failed to learn from history, and now unless we flood our Congressional leaders offices and stop this process of not bailout, but shift of responsibility to the very financial leaders that led us here so that they can seize control of our financial systems and blackmail the world as they did this nation and her Congress, we have no one to blame but ourselves. When that happens, we will find ourselves at war with our brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers, as we try to win back our nation (and I am not talking words, I am talking weapons!).

While I do not want to see a world wide depression which will be triggered by the failure of Wall Street because we have never taken the time to learn how to survive such a disaster except through war, make no mistake that this will happen no matter what because this Administration has no intention of leaving office or giving up control. The collapse of Wall Street while controlling the banks gives them the leverage they need to bring everyone under their control by destroying our economy and throwing the American people under the bus in the process. Paulson was right in one respect - the collapse of Wall Street will bring about a Depression unlike anything in American history, and that is exactly their intention! Their actions have accelerated the future by over 10 years, and they intend to start a war that will destroy us as a nation and as a world in order to complete their insane beliefs of their destinies.

Prepare over the next few weeks and months to be able to survive without jobs, without housing, without governmental services, and be prepared to defend your homes and your towns from the likes of Blackwater Mercenaries, because the troops who serve us with distinction and who would be able to defend us from this takeover, are now dying in Iraq and Afghanistan, just as they were intended to do.

Good luck, Everyone, because if Congress caves again, what you will see will be every worst nightmare you ever saw come to life!

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» Another history lesson Posted by: eric25690
» RE: Another history lesson Posted by: Quannah
WHISTLE demonstration at lunch Monday 29 on the streets
Posted by: pirugenia on Sep 21, 2008 4:33 PM   
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if not, bang a pot/pan, like the Chilenos did. Do something. You are about to be handed over in chains by boy bush to the money merchants. At least we should meekly disapprove.

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» September 11, 1973 CHILE Posted by: Cathyc
Up Against the Wall
Posted by: Direct Democracy on Sep 21, 2008 5:06 PM   
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There’s no excuse for allowing the collapse of the U.S. economy to happen.

No amnesty, no pardons.

Pursue the Bush administration beyond January 20 until they are brought to justice.

FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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» RE: Up Against the Wall Posted by: Spot
Why is anyone surprised?
Posted by: TruthBeTold on Sep 21, 2008 5:56 PM   
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"Laying this meltdown on our shoulders proves he doesn't give a shit about the people, just his cronies".

Even the low-information Bush and republican supporters know that he cares nothing for the people. Even those who voted for him because he looked like someone you could have a beer with.

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Do you get it now?
Posted by: chlamor on Sep 21, 2008 6:15 PM   
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Creative Destruction: The Solid Core Behind the Financial Crisis

Wednesday, 17 September 2008

"There is great disorder under heaven, and the situation is excellent." -- Chairman Mao

Fed’s $85 Billion Loan Rescues Insurer (NY Times)

The bailout [of American International Group]... effectively puts taxpayer money at risk while protecting bad investments made by A.I.G. and other institutions it does business with.

Do you get it now? The rich and powerful spend years making foolish deals in a market they rigged with the connivance of utterly corrupted politicians on both sides the aisle; their fraudulent scheme finally collapses, exposing them to some of the most horrific financial losses in history....and YOU will have to pay for it. For generations. Not only directly, with the tax money straight from your pocket, but even more so in the further degradation of national life: infrastructure, services, programs, amenities that will be starved or abandoned as even more of the government's money is poured out to shield the wastrel elite from suffering the consequences of their own rapacious folly.

And with all the talk of a "new Cold War," who knew that it would be Washington and Wall Street, not the Kremlin, who resurrected socialism in the 21st century, in what the Times called "the most radical intervention in private business in the central bank’s history"? Socialism for the rich only, to be sure. Ole Joe "Bankruptcy Bill" Biden and his bipartisan cohorts in Congress have long made sure that any ordinary citizen -- especially the old, the sick, the poor, the most desperate -- will be squeezed to the last drop to pay off their debts, even if these were incurred through illness or misfortune. But for our boardroom Bolsheviki, the state is always there, to cushion and to coddle.

And who knew there was so much money in the federal coffers? Endless, roaring torrents of money available for the ever-expanding operations of the global Terror War (up to $3 trillion for the rape of Iraq alone), and all of this on top of an ever-expanding "regular" military budget that tops half-a-trillion dollars each and every year. And now tens of billions for Bear-Sterns, Fannie Mae, Fannie Mac, A.I.G. and the next fat-cattery to go under. Gosh, you mean all that cash was just lying around under the federal mattress all along?

You mean we could have used some of it for, say, building schools and hospitals, or national health insurance, or rebuilding our globalization-gutted cities, or drug rehab programs, or caring for our elderly, or helping people start businesses, or repairing our rotted infrastructure, or supporting the arts and sciences, or building parks and other "common pleasures, to walk abroad and recreate yourselves"? You mean there has been enough money there all along to help create a more just, equitable, enjoyable and civilized society? Don't that beat all?

Well, there will be none of that now, thank god. Even if a party that was actually committed to the well-being and security of ordinary citizens (a description that of course excludes the ticket of "Wall Street Barry" and "Bankruptcy Bill Joe") were to somehow take power one day, they will be hogtied by the mess left behind by the elite's financial boondoggles and their many wars. They'll be lucky if there is enough spare cash on hand to buy a few sandbags the next time a hurricane turns toward New Orleans, much less address any of the massive civic, social, economic and infrastructural disasters that confront us.

....

Creative Destruction

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» RE: Do you get it now? Posted by: chloelin
A Quote from Darth Cheney
Posted by: Dboy on Sep 21, 2008 6:24 PM   
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"The fact is, the markets work, and they are working. And people - some of the big companies obviously - have taken risks. Risk means risk. And there's an upside as well as a downside in some of the choices they've made. We have to be careful not to have this set of developments lead us to significantly expand the role of government in ways that may do damage long-term for the economy. We don't want to interfere with the basic, fundamental working of the markets."

Dick Cheney 11/26/07

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If history shows us anything,
Posted by: sirios on Sep 21, 2008 6:29 PM   
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they will most likely get away with it. The people of this country must be in a coma considering we accept time and time again the following
1- interest on loans
2-outrages interest on loans
3- losing everything if the loan is not paid and risk criminal prosecution
4- blindly support the use of tax dollars as a gift,reward to the very people who abuse us daily.
5-allow these money lenders to get back into business the following day so they can screw us again.
I think this is called masochism
Having little knowledge of finance , im sure any number of readers can add to the list.

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Not ONE CENT to WAll Street - F%%K Them
Posted by: left_libertarian on Sep 21, 2008 6:44 PM   
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Impeach the criminals Bush and Cheney

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Proven failures back their own bailout
Posted by: sicntired on Sep 21, 2008 6:54 PM   
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Of course they want this bill passed as quickly as possible.They know that as soon as the people realize they are being asked to bail out the same assholes that ruined their lives the people will be angry.The system is so obviously broken and yet Bush does a 180 and decides a bailout(of his friends) is imperative to save the same broken system.This in spite of all the analysts saying this will not be enough.The recent gains on the local markets were also government bailouts.No one is stupid enough to play in a rigged game that's set to fail.

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» That's correct Posted by: chlamor
No Bailout to CROOKS on Wall Street
Posted by: thinkverybig on Sep 21, 2008 7:09 PM   
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I am a taxpayer and I think this should be placed to a national vote at the polls this November and when we all vote the Repbublicans out of office we can vote "NO" to this bailout as well. Why should we hold the burden of bailing out a company and CEO's that's made millions off of ripping people off and now we have to pay them to stay afloat. This is not right and someone needs to go to jail. What are the reasons for the rush all of a sudden? Something doesn't sit right with this and someone should be held accountable.

I say "NO" to any bailout except bailing out those who owe students loans and those who have been foreclosed on and have bad mortgages. The hell with Wall Street and the rich cronies of BUSH!

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Stop blaming Bush Co.
Posted by: chlamor on Sep 21, 2008 7:15 PM   
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This is a bi-partisan looting of the American people and it's history is long.

Guess who repealed Glass-Steagall? Yep that was the consummate corporate errand boy Bill Clinton.

But this goes way back and if you knew your history you would see quite clearly how it is that that liberal icon FDR is also indicted.

But hey let's forget our history, if we ever knew at all, and just blame the most recent and vulgar of kleptocrats and of course hold to the false hope of the next new champion of democracy.

Oh wait that one has received more funds from Wall St. than all the others. So much for change.

Except small change which is all the likes of you and I are left with as the costs of Empire continue to rise.

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» RE: Stop blaming Bush Co. Posted by: djnoll
bend over everyone . . . incoming, deep and hard
Posted by: charles000 on Sep 21, 2008 7:25 PM   
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Most ordinary folks with a pulse and an IQ above that of a bacteria knew that the excrement was about to hit the high compression blower . . . but even I have to admit, this is beyond seriously deep doodoo we're now in.

Or, to put it another way:
Bend over everyone - incoming, deep and hard.

A gigantic wart encrusted puss oozing dick is about to be rammed deep and hard into the collective ass of the entire general population, squirting it's AIDS infested hot steaming juices straight into the already ailing, soon to be comatose entity that was once known to be the American public.

And that's the polite, Sunday afternoon version of my assessment

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Lisa
Posted by: AWestColbert on Sep 21, 2008 7:52 PM   
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Repeat of the Savings and Loan Scandal of the 80's and if I'm not mistaken if you do your research McCain and Bush's brother were part of that scheme. Also, "Read My Lips" Taxes will be raised, there is no other way for America to get out of this mess, Iraq is costing us a billion or more a month and if we continue to bail out Wall Street and the failed financial institutions there will be no other solution...other than to continue to sell our soul to China.......but hey keep living in your dream world of McCain's No Taxes, I'll say anything to elected!

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Lisa
Posted by: AWestColbert on Sep 21, 2008 7:57 PM   
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Hey, Congress should include as part of their package that every CEO of every financial institution who the government has bailed out should have to forfeit their severance packages stocks, investments, bonuses etc......they should walk away with nothing, the very thing they are leaving the people who entrusted them with their investments!

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CommonDreamer
Posted by: CommonDreamer on Sep 21, 2008 8:33 PM   
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Oh. I thought we had already been swindled bigtime by trickle down mantras and depressed wages. What - they want more!??? Surprise, surprise. Nothing is too much for the overpaid and undertaxed in America - absolutely nothing but bankrupting the median and under income consumer will do - so that the obscenity of us workers financing $20 million mansions and 7 homes or more - and jets - and pensions - can continue unabated. Why, whining will get you everything - because apparently running a business is a charity activity now - as if they are doing Americans a favor (never mind the fact of symbiosis)-so of course they deserve everything - because after all, don't they do everything..(worker's efforts be damned)? And let's not forget the "talent" and "genius" component that has enabled the Ponzi scheme of CEO pay to continue. Why these geniuses have made it work - for them - one swindle is not enough - it has to be another one on our backs.

Next: One way ticket to the EU. Had enough.

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Focus on the criminals by name not generic
Posted by: whiteaglesoaring on Sep 21, 2008 8:54 PM   
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Mainstream media has not carried any investigative reporting on those who are the criminals in the financial markets and government. Patrick Byrne has been investigating and exposing the criminals in the stock market but criminal journalists and their media monsters have covered up the crimes. In a 17 part series, Hedge Funds, Naked Short Selling, Phantom Stocks and Stock Market Collapse we name the criminals and the criminals who allowed the criminals to destroy the US and world economy. Then armed with the names and the background of the guilty, you can take aim at the Congress, Executive Branch, Mainstream Media. Until you can aim with some precision your complaints and protest are just noise.

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The Biggest Elephant In The Room
Posted by: klumberg on Sep 21, 2008 9:05 PM   
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I see a lot of theories of the cause of this credit crisis and most have to do with politics. This problem is not political. This problem is systemic.

All United States Money is created from debt. New money only comes into the world when new debt is created. The principal is created but the interest is not.

Keep this in mind.

This new money comes from he Federal Reserve which is not a government agency but a private banking cartel that controls money volume and creation in the United States. The United States Treasury asks for $1,000,000,000. The Federal Reserve transfers the money into the United States account. The Treasury then gives the Federal Reserve Treasury Notes as collateral for the debt. The Treasury Notes are for the original $1,000,000,000 plus interest.

Once the money is deposited into the account of the people the government is paying, it can be expanded up to $9,000,000,000 through our "Fractional Reserve" banking system.

All of this money is loaned at interest.

The interest money is never created. It is only through an expansion of the money supply through more debt accumulation that the interest is payable by the debtors. Interest is compounded upon interest and over time can become bigger than the principal. When this is the case, the whole system must collapse by default.

The United States people must take back the control of their currency from the bankers and print the Dollars interest free. It is far less inflationary than the present interest based system. If the newly printed Dollars were spent on infrastructure, education, and health care, then they would be used to create real wealth by increasing production and would grow the economy.

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Jefferson on the economy
Posted by: klumberg on Sep 21, 2008 9:11 PM   
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"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."

-- Thomas Jefferson

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» RE: Jefferson on the economy Posted by: newscruzer2
"....deep deformities in our democracy "
Posted by: Von on Sep 21, 2008 9:46 PM   
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the article stated.

We have a democracy?? We have a government by the People and for the People ? Please stop calling our government representatives of democracy for us, the People. Wake UP !!!

They dont give a damn about us, the People. What they are concerned about us, the People, is how we can be obediant little productivity-units for selfish adventures IF they even care for us at all.

And Do NOT look to these same crooked snakes to be the ones to FIX IT ! wtf?

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the bomb is ticking
Posted by: grkjr on Sep 21, 2008 10:08 PM   
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And you still want to vote for a democrat or republican (the least of the two evils)..and you still don't see they are one and the same.. only the words from the mouths differ.. their actions are too close to the same as to be regarded as a change in direction... again, again.. we must "stop the train get off and lay new track" and that requires a 3rd party.. where o where is the liberal/ progressive who is no longer so naive .. who knows the only way to change directions is from the outside the two parties.. our chance for this is too vote for who you may ..just not for obama or mccain.. and if enough do that the present party will break..

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TAKE ACTION
Posted by: Jest2007 on Sep 21, 2008 10:19 PM   
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Sign petitions online to let the brain trust in Washington know that the bailout is unacceptable. The total bailout will cost over $1.1 trillion brought on by a dysfunctional federal government, an incompetent president and the greed and hubris of Wall Street. This is a catastrophe and Wall Street should assume the lion's share of the pain.

PETITIONS:

NO BLANK CHECK FOR WALL STREET http://act.credaction.com/campaign/no blank check/?r by=912-632657-ahZqOqx&rc=confemaile

TAXPAYERS AGAINST WALL STREET BAILOUT
http://www.petitiononline.com/trhi2584/petition.html

CITIZENS FOR FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY
http://financialpetition.org/petition.shtml

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Get Away With It?
Posted by: The Old Hippie on Sep 21, 2008 10:21 PM   
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 You have got to be kidding me?  Right?

Get away with it?!?

Can you name anything that the oligarchical corporatists
have not gotten away with in the last eight years?

Can you name one single thing?!?

Seriously - I'm asking, as I assume most reality-based
citizens are right now.

I know it’s a little dated, but you will find this short list
of interest?  “Got Away With It”

Also - Do not forget how Pelosi was not going to give
BushCo a blank check last time they asked for it?!?

She, and ‘our’ co-congresspersons, did just that -
Gave them the blank check.
 

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Charles Krauthammer Says That History
Posted by: ranchero42 on Sep 21, 2008 10:25 PM   
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Will be kinder to George W. Bush. I would be willing to agree if Charles Krauthammer changes his punk-ass wussy name to History.

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TAKE ACTION (CORRECTION)
Posted by: Jest2007 on Sep 21, 2008 10:50 PM   
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SIGN PETITION:

Please Google: CREDO ACTION NO BLANK CHECK FOR WALL STREET to find petition.

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LOU DOBBS
Posted by: master09 on Sep 21, 2008 11:22 PM   
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Someone recommend getting lou dobbs to discuss this matter. First of all let me say without any reservations Mr Dobbs is a fraud, he is a bigot, he is never wrong and he is a Goddam republician thur and thur; don't let him fool you with that Iam independent bullshi*t. Just listen to him for the next few weeks he will blame Obama and the democrates,of course he might throw in the republician every now and then to make you think he is objective. if you think taken all of this money from taxpayers is wrong wait until the Republicians win the whitehouse so that Phil Gramm can become secretary of the treasury. This would be some serious sh*t. this is the man that believe americans are a bunch of whiners. If ever there was a reason to stop these republicians this is it. We are getting close to shootouts on the front lawns if these republicians win.

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Is Intelligent Debate dead on this board
Posted by: EncinoM on Sep 21, 2008 11:41 PM   
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Instead of economic theories, this board is platted with marxist and fringe consipracy theories.

Alex Jones is an asshole as are is followers.

There is not one practical solution on this board, just whining about things that many by there posts don not understand.

The Fed is a legal organization, that is a part of the US government. Fed note are legal tender and yes, there are laws on the books that outline you have to pay taxes, its called the tax code.

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BAILOUTS,TAXES and SUB PRIME MORTGAGES
Posted by: master09 on Sep 22, 2008 12:34 AM   
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First: the bailout is a must because a lot of that money were pensions and IRAs. What they won't tell us is how much of those mortgages were investments; remember all of that real estate FLIPING that was going on?, you are talking about some serious money here. What we should demand is for them to show us the books; in other words, I wanna know the details as to where the money went.
Second: Taxes is a must for this complex society. Mr Obama said his plan would not raise taxes on 95% of working people; now I dont't know if this is true but for him to make this statement he must have a plan and this is good enough for me. It takes money to maintain all of this freedom that we enjoy. If you are unable to feed and clothes your family its is not because your taxes are high because 9 out of 10 times you not paying any taxes or very little,of course if you are making more than $250,000.00 and you don't like word taxes, then call it a contribution.

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Rough justice
Posted by: jbloggz on Sep 22, 2008 1:24 AM   
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I read that Lehman brothers workers are to share 1,4 billion in bonus payments owed to them according to Barclays. There I was thinking that in a bankruptcy the taxes are always first in line to be paid.

Does this tell you something of just what's in store in this 'bail out'?

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Then Who shall guard the guardians!
Posted by: Nightstallion on Sep 22, 2008 1:41 AM   
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Where were you in 1963? We could have used you on the front lines in that Vietnamese land grab. I doubt very much that you were born yet. I doubt very much also that you have experienced anything that is not filtered through the lens of some personal hero or Political Avatar.

Otherwise you would have noticed Communism is a dead issue, the Democrats can't find their ass with both hands, the Independents are totally dependent on machinating buffoonery, killing Sacred Cows and acting like the other parties are to blame. They are an inverse political mirror of the Republican Party that has re-named themselves LIBERTARIAN. The folks think of themselves as rescuers of America they are merely more hackneyed opportunists.

The Constitution Party is laughable I have met only one out of 17 or so who can quote the document and that only because he has the damned book in his pocket.

The Green Party has not decided who they are serving yet, the planet or the people. Since men killed the Goddess 15,000 years ago they can’t serve her. And she was the only voice between man and the earth who could have agreed to a marriage.

Now as Parties go The Republican Party is GOBN all the way to the GOP in crowd. There is no definition of what this party is in any dictionary that is not obfuscation. These folks rule by the consensus of us, we, our, and group (grope) no individual will take responsibility for anything and the name of the game is CMA (Cover My Ass) or WE will not CYA (cover your ass) and if you try to CYOA you are going to die of brain cancer. Hey I didn’t make it this way the record is public!

I may be a shit; I reserve that right to be, to ME. I am responsible for being a shit not you! If there is a conspiracy present and I know, it is my duty as an American citizen to cry RIPOFF! The only people responsible for any rip-offs in this first decade of the new Millennium is the DemonRatic/RepubliCon Party.

All DemonRats are trying to jump the RepubliCon Ship which is now sinking in unfriendly waters. I hate to tell you folks but this “conspiracy” is so blatant that for you to miss it is to admit to Braindeadism. I see DemonRats supporting RepubliCon moves in every meeting of congress!

I saw these bastards pass the so-called Patriot Act that shot six of the articles of the Bill of rights in the ass. Just because they have not acted on this yet does not mean that they won’t dummies!

Now they want the right to rescind on all housing loans just to sell the housing in mass auctions. They are calling this a bail out!And you are going to let them Pork you over a barrel in a heartbeat. Millions of Americans homeless, wandering the streets! Great, just fucking great! This is only the tip of the Iceburg you understand. you see if we get pissed on enough we will kill anyone to make it stop. W'Allah a whole new group of Cannon Fodder for a new war.

I wish there were time travel. There are a few Pre-emptive retroactive abortions I would attend to. Seeing as how there isn't I will suffer along with the rest of you.

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Presidents, bankers and weathermen, even when they get it wrong, they get to keep their jobs.
Posted by: blogoffanddie on Sep 22, 2008 4:13 AM   
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Thank God we still have socialism for the rich. How would they make the payments on their multi-million dollar mansions and Mercedes’ without a little helping hand from Joe Middle Class American Taxpayer. Like you, I often worry for the rich too.

The American Dream is failing because the American Dream has become the world's nightmare. Until the American people learn this truth, nothing will change in America.

After years of bombardment from the mainstream media, the American populace has been dumbed-down and programmed to ignore the substance, realities and the issues of the world around them, and focus on the peripheral, pointless and more often than not, irrelevant sideshows created by a news media, government and economic system full of hucksters, corporate bootlickers and suck-ups.

America has become a circus and a nation of voyeurs and peeping Toms. It is slowly devolving into a mindless freak show that millions of simpletons can watch every night on their TV's.

As a result, the American people are too confused, distracted or lazy to look up from their TV sets to see or do anything about the destruction that is taking place.

US presidents, bankers and weathermen, even when they get it wrong, they get to keep their jobs. At least the weatherman is amusing.

http://blogoffanddie.wordpress.com

So long Dubya, we'll always have debt and Guantanamo

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Take my Social Security and Medicare PLEASE!!
Posted by: Gretchen on Sep 22, 2008 6:32 AM   
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The corporations have done so much for me, I will not only gladly give them whatever is in my wallet (not just to Capital One!!) but see no problem in letting them heist my future as well. NOT
If this absconding of the complete public trust is allowed to happen, not only will government be completely hollowed out, but we can say goodby to ANY safety nets. All our social security, Medicare and other taxes will go to finance the fat cats giant gambling casino--you know---the WALL STREET CASINO, where the house always ultimately wins?

Democracy is completely obliterated and the Wall Street corporate control of our lives is threatening to win the next election! We will be officially a what--plutocracy, oligarchy, corporate state?

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The Fed and the Hungry
Posted by: jimsenter on Sep 22, 2008 12:40 PM   
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The Fed and the Hungry


The Fed has been in the news a lot the last week. The Federal Reserve- the Bank for Bankers-- arranged an $85 billion buyout of the failing insurance giant AIG using taxpayer money. After the CEOs of Bear Stearns crashed that company, the Fed arranged for JP Morgan Chase to take them over, with the help of a taxpayer subsidy. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac CEOs got their golden parachutes after nearly destroying those companies. This weekend, Bush administration officials lobbied Congress for a $700 billion bailout of the entire financial industry! The captains of finance are the Fed, being served by the Fed.


Then there are the Hungry. Last Thursday, AP reported that tent cities-- Bush league housing projects-- are sprouting up all over the country. "From Seattle to Athens, Ga., homeless advocacy groups and city agencies are reporting the most visible rise in homeless encampments in a generation," they reported.

The one thing that could directly address the foreclosure crisis--the source of economic meltdown-- is not being done. Give back to bankruptcy judges the authority that was taken away from them with the bankruptcy deform of 2005-- the authority to renegotiate mortgages. Not only would that keep people in their homes, it would put the cost where it belongs, on the banks that made the bogus loans in the first place But that isn't on the agenda in Washington.

We live in a world of the Fed and the Hungry. Which group do YOU belong to?



John Roche summed up the opportunism of the laissez-faire conservatives better than anyone some 45 years ago. Think of this year's string of bailouts in these terms.....


from John P. Roche, "Entrepreneurial Liberty and the Fourteenth Amendment" Labor History, 1963 pp 3-31

"In the last quarter of the Nineteenth century and well on into the Twentieth, so the legend runs, the United States was dominated by a 'conservative,' 'individualistic,' laissez-faire elite which succeeded in rewriting the Constitution and notably the Fourteenth Amendment to impose its ideology upon the nation. This notion has a certain superficial persuasiveness, but regrettably it is hardly sustained by a close analysis of the history of the period. There was clearly an elite of businessmen, but it was neither ruggedly individualistic, in terms of classic liberal economic thought, nor 'conservative,' in any acceptable definition of that much-abused term. On the contrary, this elite lived at the public trough, was nourished by state protection, and devoted most of its time and energies to evading Adam Smith's individualistic injunction. In ideological terms, it was totally opportunistic: It demanded and applauded vigorous state action in behalf of its key values, and denounced state intervention in behalf of its enemies. The Constitution was not, in short, adapted to the needs of laissez-faire 'conservatism'__ which is a respectable, internally consistent system of political economy-- but to the exigent needs of the great private governments. The 'Robber Barons' had no ideology, they had interests. They had no theory of the state, but they knew what they wanted from it. Their key value, entrepreneurial liberty, might require a strong state one day (to combat trade unions) and a weak state the next (which would not pass wage and hour legislation), and this inconsistency troubled them not."

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What's in it for me?
Posted by: zipoka on Sep 22, 2008 1:21 PM   
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That's a joke actually. 700 billion to Wall Street is scary, but what does it mean to everyone "out there", like me, working (having given up on ever really making enough money), hoping to hold on to a nest egg left to me by my parents, terrified to spend on anything besides dental work and car repairs? All the articles I'm reading are about how outrageous and undeserved this bailout is (I agree), and how the taxpayer will foot the bill (yes), but no specifics. How? Does 700 billion for wall street mean that bridges won't be repaired, roads? Does it mean that our IRA's and mutual fund accounts will dry up and blow away? Does it mean that saving social security is off the table? I guess there's a little goth in me. I want the gory details.

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Democrat this time!
Posted by: sre on Sep 22, 2008 1:58 PM   
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Don't you all know that if we just elect Obama, He can solve any problems that we have? The US government is infallible and if we let it do its divinely inspired work, all will be well.

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parrotuya
Posted by: parrotuya on Sep 22, 2008 7:12 PM   
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Live by the free market, die by the free market! Let the banks fail!

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What About the Free market?
Posted by: macdon1 on Sep 22, 2008 9:42 PM   
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Why are we bailing out these losers? This is supposed to be a free market economy and they screwed up, so they lose. We the ordinary citizens are on our own, so let them be on their own also. Why don't they pull themselves up by their bootstraps? That's been the constant answer given to the poor, the young, the seniors and the disabled. There is no safety net for the poor and sick anymore, why should Wall Street get one? If "personal responsibility" is good enough for us, it's good enough for them!

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Bailout is pretty much the only way to go
Posted by: eric25690 on Sep 23, 2008 1:15 AM   
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This will be the largest transfer of wealth from the middle class (US taxpayer) to the rich in the history of the world! I suppose I should feel bad for making $43 Million in total bonuses over the last decade, with my business pretty much run like a casino. I did feel bad at first, until one of my colleagues put the matter in perspective. He explained that the middle class's main function is to keep the economy functioning. Usually, they serve this purpose by working and consuming. A byproduct of their function is that they have collectively accumulated more total money than the rich. There isn't enough money to solve this crisis by going to the rich, but there is enough money in the hands of the middle class. So, the middle class are really needed to solve this crisis, and there really is no alternative. My colleague went on the compare the middle class to ants in an ant colony. He explained that the queen of the colony doesn't feel bad for her situation relative to the worker ants, and we shouldn't feel bad either.
Eric

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a buyers market?...
Posted by: Bearzerker on Sep 23, 2008 10:21 PM   
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... is this the biggest payoff a sitting administration can ever hand out to supporters and others???
...what a grand day to be one of BushCos friends!!!

who needs a bridge to no where when you can manufacture a S&L like collapse, just in order to devalue stocks to the point that it becomes a nice buying spree for those in the know!

the country has for the past 9 years been run into the ground by greed graft and corruption!

change... u bet change is comen!

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Taxation without Representation
Posted by: onlitrade on Sep 25, 2008 10:11 AM   
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Time for both Democrats and Republicans to get the axe. They all receive benefits from corporate America. That's why their excuse is "We're bailing out these companies to protect the taxpayer. The real reason is "don't bite the hand that feeds you!"
The taxpayer needs to keep the tax revenue out of the politicians hands. Everyone should go to the payroll dept. of their place of work and change their tax exemptions to ten dependants. Then when it comes time to file your income tax in April file an extension. Keep the money out of the governments hand for as long as possible. Other than posting complaints on the internet or calling one or more of your elected officials ( which I have done with no response) is the only way I can show the politcians running "our" government my dissatisfaction. Anyone, having additional ideas to make ourselves heard, please comment.

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Sadly Enough
Posted by: hennaflowerchild on Sep 26, 2008 3:34 AM   
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Hold on to your Checkbooks ladies and gentleman! I just LOVE how we've let these extortionists get into decision making seats. SCREW the Wall Street schmucks and lets fix something with OUR tax dollars that MAKES SENSE!!!! For example... our ENERGY CRISIS!!!!!! Oh and does anyone else notice the link between our once great nation to... i don't know...Communism or Socialistic ideals? I'm proud that there are citizens protesting this.

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An American Woman
Posted by: dse05 on Sep 27, 2008 11:47 PM   
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A amateur poem about the AIG buyout............

American Woman

I am an american woman
Ive been faithful from the start
as a girl Id stand tall in class
with my little hand on my heart

I grew to be proud of my country
Ive been the best citizen I can
In some ways though small
I try to give out what I've taken in

I am an american woman
at the 4th of july fair
my kids i tried to teach pride
and gave them little flags to wave in the air

I am an American woman
I feel like I,ve been left alone
from my government deserted
and I fear so for my home

I know whats good for the country
is known to be good for me
but rite now its really very
hard to see.

I am an american woman
as american as those big companies
How come they can get bailed out
and not my family

You see two years ago
I was in the hospital
I was in there for a week times three
It was in there that my boys had to come and see me.

Since then, times are hard
money, credit scores all depleted
I try to enjoy the little things, walks with the boys, and
being at dinner together seated

But its difficult to stay this way
it feels like the big guys get the break and im a casualty
but for the good of the county and especially my family
I will stand by the USA

so on the heart I took
my sons little hand
and we sang that blessed song
about our colorful land,

I am an american women
faithful true and true
But please do remember all the little guys
that make up our large world........

I am an American woman..........

S.E.

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