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Is the 'Good Life' as America Knows It Over?

By Steve Fraser, Tomdispatch.com. Posted September 19, 2008.


The relationship between Washington and Wall Street has changed fundamentally, and as a result, the road ahead is dark and unknown.

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Introduction by Tom Engelhardt: Among the many media spectacles of the moment, the most unnerving is undoubtedly the crisis on Wall Street that has already essentially toppled Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Merrill Lynch, and -- probably not last and certainly not least -- the gigantic insurance company AIG, which has just been given $85 billion in taxpayer moneys to liquidate itself. Before we're done, that hoary old oxymoron of the Left, "late capitalism," may gain new life.

Elsewhere on the planet, it turns out, it was more obvious that the U.S. was in crisis. One small sign of the changing state of the globe's "sole superpower" is that, even before banking institutions started to tumble off walls like so many Humpty Dumpties, the International Monetary Fund, that dominatrix of global capital, was planning to pay Washington a working visit. This is the sort of thing you expect, with great trepidation, if you're Haiti, or Pakistan, or Malawi, or Argentina on the brink of financial meltdown -- but the United States? Nonetheless, according to NPR's David Kestenbaum, "The U.S. Treasury says America has now agreed to get a stability assessment from the IMF. The announcement didn't get much attention, but officials at the IMF expect to start examining U.S. finances in the next couple [of] months."

Welcome to the Third World, America. Now, hold your hats while the whirlwind blows and the stock market goes into heart-attack mode. Steve Fraser, an expert on Gilded Ages (and how they end), as well as the author of a superb new book on our financial "masters of the universe" from the eighteenth century to the present, Wall Street: America's Dream Palace, brought up the dreaded "D" word (for depression) this April at TomDispatch when, in the mainstream, pundits were still wondering whether we might possibly, actually, really be edging toward, or near, a recession. He wrote at the time: "The current breakdown of the financial system is portentous. It threatens a general economic implosion more serious than anyone has witnessed for many decades.

Depression, if that is what it turns out to be, together with the agonies of a misbegotten and lost war no one believes in any longer, could undermine whatever is left of the threadbare credibility of our Gilded Age elite." Now he's being quoted on the front page of the New York Times. How times (of every sort) have changed in just the space of a few months... Drawing on his knowledge of the history of Wall Street and Washington, now let him offer you now a little perspective for the months to come. -- Tom Engelhardt

What is Washington to do as the financial system collapses? Clearly, stark differences in approach as well as in public policy have already emerged. Bail-out Bear Stearns and pump up the brokerage and investment business with new lines of credit. Nationalize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac on the backs of the taxpayer -- but let Lehman drown. Tell the financial community to save itself, after which Bank of America salutes and buys Merrill Lynch. Then, the Fed gets cold feet and decides it can't let an institution the size of the insurance giant AIG go under as well. Washington is left staring into the abyss. The old rules no longer apply.


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Steve Fraser is working on a book about the two gilded ages. A TomDispatch regular and co-director of the American Empire Project series at Metropolitan Books, he is the author of, among other works, the recently published Wall Street: America's Dream Palace.

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The Financial Crisis : Problem and Solution
Posted by: mmckinl on Sep 19, 2008 12:14 AM   
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It's the Derivatives, Stupid! Why Fannie, Freddie, AIG had to be Bailed Out

by Ellen Brown

problem and solution

A little wonky but this is a real mess. And it lays out the solution to this mess: Taking back our right to produce our own money not borrow it from the privately owned Fed.

Why should we borrow our own money ?

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Once Again. . .
Posted by: The Old Hippie on Sep 19, 2008 12:26 AM   
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I've posted this before, but this article almost demands its reprise...

“Can’t Say We Weren’t Warned...”

(I'm currently in the process of updating some of the older links.
Please let me know if you find any broken links.  hippie@aye.net)
 

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» Disaster Capitalism ! Posted by: mmckinl
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» RE: Once Again. . . Posted by: The Old Hippie
Those Were The Days, My Friend
Posted by: Tom Degan on Sep 19, 2008 12:51 AM   
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When America sent George W. Bush to the White House in 2000, it effectively pointed the proverbial loaded pistol at its head. When it compounded that mistake four years later by reelecting him, it pulled the trigger.

But let's give the hideous , half-witted little piece of shit the benefit of the doubt, shall we? The seeds of America's ultimate self destruction were planted on Election Day 1980 when they sent a senile, feeble-minded, dirty old dingbat named Ronald Reagan to the White House.

It is a point of pride with me that, young as I was, I never succumbed to Ronnie-mania.

On January 20, 1981 when the oaf of office took the oath of office and began dismantling the New Deal, there were still a few people alive who were grown adults when the stock market crashed in October of 1929. They remembered how hard times were. They are virtually all gone now. Most of the people who were mere toddlers then have died (Remember it was almost eighty years ago). It is laughably apparent that those of us who were born after Worls War Two didn't learn a damn thing about the history of their once-great nation. Had they done so, they would have known that evry time the "lutocracy" ( as the looney right wing used to be called) seized control of all thre branches of their governnment, they ran this country into the economic ditch. That's not merely my own opinion - that's an historic, undeniable fact - look it up.

Did you ever think your beloved country would ever sink this low? So help me Herbert Hoover, I never did.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
Crappy Days Are Here Again

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small is beautiful
Posted by: mtnprivy on Sep 19, 2008 1:08 AM   
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Go to youtube and check out " the most important video you'll ever see." there are parts one thru eight. Notice how this man quotes Jimmy Carter from the 70's? I wish the average american or world citizen could see and understand this concept. Perhaps this is not so different from what E F Shumacher was saying, or in a different way . . . Helen and Scott Nearing.
In the Church of the Brethren I often hear "live simply, so that others may simply live." I think that is one thing we all need to get into our heads.
Any theories and BS that stray away from these basic concepts are just smoke screens (ie pollution). They will only delay the correction that is coming from nature to us. We can't live like most of the world is now living, it is unsustainable! It must, it will be turned around.
It doesn't take complex economic theory to look at a Mcmansion and say "too much!", or to look at our cities, and say "too much" or to look at our highways and say "too much." Haven't we ever absorbed the idea of "enough is enough"?

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Historically, Its Either Socialism or Fascism
Posted by: lorenbliss on Sep 19, 2008 2:09 AM   
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Modern history proves that all such crises as the present economic collapse lead either to socialism or to fascist tyranny.

Since the fascists are already in power -- the Republican Party has been the unofficial vessel of U.S. fascism since its anti-Roosevelt alliance with Hitler and Mussolini during the 1930s -- the likelihood is that the United States will become the Fourth Reich: a ChristoNazi theocracy with non-Christians forced into the scapegoat role to which the Jews were reduced in Germany.

Moreover, any potential anti-fascist opposition has been effectively rendered brain-dead by the public schools and Big Business media that create and maintain the Moron Nation state of mindlessness.

Were there a sudden increase in the sales of such texts as The Communist Manifesto and das Kapital, there might actually be a reason for hope: more than any other factor, it was the huge U.S. Communist Party -- the third largest party in U.S. history and the nation's best organized party ever -- that empowered the reforms of the New Deal. But thanks to Moron Nation public schooling, the younger generations -- especially the people most likely to be the worst afflicted by the collapsing economy -- can hardly read at the Dick-and-Jane level, much less comprehend anything demanding more thoughtful consideration, including even the very basic acknowledgement of self-interest expressed in Manifesto.

Thus the slogans "hope" and "change" are ultimately of no more significance than the slogan "love" was during the 1960s.

Nevertheless I would be derelict if I failed to point out that economic collapse is but part of the three-pronged crisis descending upon us. The other prongs are terminal climate change (its horrors dutifully trivialized as “global warming”), and the technological and cultural collapse imposed by the emptying of our global fuel tank. The latter -- technological collapse -- has no human precedent: until now, humans were always able to survive even the worst disasters by employing the basic primate toolkit of fire-making, weapon-making, shelter-building and hunting-and-gathering skills. But those skills and the associated knowledge -- the legacy of at least a million years of evolution -- are no more. They were all abolished -- swept from our minds as if they never existed -- by our infinitely arrogant dependence on petroleum. Hence once the petroleum is gone, our species will be reduced to absolute helplessness. We will be castaways stranded in a jungle more predatory than we can possibly imagine, and in all probability, none of our descendents will survive.

Thus the two choices: socialism (and the approximately equal apportionment of ever-more-scarce resources and ever-worsening miseries), or fascism (and the reduction of most of us to a new Dark Age of degradation via the neo-manorial resurrection of slavery to maintain a tiny, omnipotent and unspeakably vicious neo-feudal ruling class in some semblance of the petroleum-age style to which it was accustomed). The latter -- the ruling-class effort to maintain itself in relative comfort through the apocalyptic years ahead -- has been and remains the core purpose of all U.S. politics from November 22, 1963 onward. But we will not see that -- nor any of the other dreadful truths about what is being done to us -- as long as we cling to the moronic notion Marx is "irrelevant."

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» Marx Class Posted by: pdxjoe
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» link to the manifesto... Posted by: ellie
» RE: link to the manifesto... Posted by: Last Chance
» let the people govern themselves Posted by: Last Chance
» The Two Totalitarianisms Posted by: pdxjoe
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» The History Posted by: pdxjoe
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» B.S. Posted by: bizeeb
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» Link To Literature Posted by: Last Chance
One (longer term fix) is to develop nano/biotech manufacturing
Posted by: nerd1024 on Sep 19, 2008 2:25 AM   
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This economic disaster we now find ourselves in can helped to be reversed eventually with the returning of manufacturing to north America by really pushing the new sciences of nanotech (for manufacturing/health, and biotech (for health). We have steadily lost all our manufacturing to china and soon India and other cheaper countries.

This current divisive war (and any future war with Iran?) will serve to break north America, we will lose R&D to new up-coming nations..the funny thing is, we are also now at a nexus of exponentially growing tech in computer power, and the ability to manipulate atoms to make things like smaller, faster computers, better tools to diagnose disease and fix disease and even eventually reverse aging by fixing and restoring aging cells in our bodies back to new form.

This has never been possible before in human history, and we are lucky to be present now at such a time when it looks like it will soon become true, and yet, we waste our resources in these wars of empire and the next speculative bubble to come by.

Nanomachines are starting to appear in research labs, biotech (stem cells, cellular manipulation, gene chips, bio-informatics, constructing artificial cells from scratch) is employing the science and tech of computers and nanotech to advance at exponential speeds with the soon to be results of our understanding of how all cells work (normal cells, stem cells etc), we will soon (10, 15, 25 years out) be able to control all disease process, cure cancer, reverse aging, boost our brain power with nanotech and use the internet to connected brains etc.

The thing is, north America now looks like the old English empire, out of gas after fighting wars and trying to keep itself as the latest high-tech nation of its day, but the endless wars and managing of empire caused its natural death...gee, notice something similar today?

The thing is, do you want to waste 100's of billions to 10's of trillions in this mess when scientists like aubre de gray of the Mprize say all we need is 100 million to 1 billion and 15 years to demonstrate how to reverse aging in humans (he was featured on 60 minutes show 2 years ago). Also check out kurzweilai and nanodot for advancing nano/biotech news too.

We have turned into a nation of greedy lawyer/speculators, wasted 100's of trillions on cold wars, hot wars, speculation bubbles, turned the internet into a mess, and now all that new shiny nano/biotech that will grow cars, houses, repair our older bodies (baby boomers alert!) are probably going to be created in china soon!! (what did Regan say "greed is good"), um, perhaps we should re think that concept a bit?

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» I used to think like that Posted by: Iconoclast421
Bring back the Nixon years!
Posted by: NoMcCainPalin on Sep 19, 2008 2:25 AM   
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I'm old enough to recall Tricky Dick and Watergate with crystal clear clarity. Back then, I thought, Washigton couldn't get any worse than this.

I was wrong. Right know I will take the Nixon years and be happier than a clam on coccaine.

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» Funny you should mention it.... Posted by: Tom Degan
» The proper link Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: Bring back the Nixon years! Posted by: Cybershaman
Ahh, The American Good life
Posted by: Mexitli on Sep 19, 2008 4:35 AM   
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Hmm. Here's to your GOOD LIFE

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» We got room Posted by: Mexitli
It has been going on for 28 years now.
Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 19, 2008 4:38 AM   
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Uh, Peak Wall $treet ?

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Is the 'Good Life' as America Knows it Over?...
Posted by: Bearzerker on Sep 19, 2008 4:52 AM   
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for some it maybe over in under 40 days... maybe!

for others... its payback time and its gonna get ugly!
and deservedly so!

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Joke
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Sep 19, 2008 5:23 AM   
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Picture the US economy as a hot air balloon. Over the last 8 years it has been shot full of holes (accidentally, wink wink) by Dick Cheney. And now the propane tank is empty and the balloon is falling fast. The government solution? Hand all the passengers a can of beans and tell them to start eating.

Should have listened to Ron Paul!

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I apologize for asking this on another article but
Posted by: helenahanbasquet on Sep 19, 2008 5:42 AM   
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if things continue to go downhill in the next few weeks, can this be declared a "national emergency" under the Patriot Act?

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Enlightening
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Sep 19, 2008 6:22 AM   
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Very enlightening article indeed. No doubt about it there are some dark roads to come. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out over time. All I know is the sooner we get Dictator Bush out of office the better off we will be. Pray Dictator Bushes little "mini-me" McBush doesnt win in November. God help us all if McBush wins.

JIff
Ultimate Anonymity

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Obama Believes It's Over
Posted by: dockboy on Sep 19, 2008 6:38 AM   
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"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK," Obama said.

Obama's the kind of prez we need.

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» More than that, Posted by: Last Chance
» RE: Obama Believes It's Over HUH? Posted by: left_libertarian
This writer makes an important point!
Posted by: using on Sep 19, 2008 6:53 AM   
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"The government must figure out how to deploy its power to shift the flow of investment capital out of the mine-fields of speculative paper transactions and back into productive channels that will help meet the material needs of American society. Real value must be created in place of chimeras." THis is a very important point, not to be overlooked!
In addition, we must make sure that there are grave penalties (watching and judging in the court of public opinion did not protect us from future harm). To do this, we need transparency -- accountability. This is the way to use our fronet seat...by watching and supporting and screaming and organizing and persistantly insisting and don't forget -- we all need to grow. Remember Roosevelt came directly to the people for support..Obama is trying to distinguish for us the truth of our needs from the lies that cover our messes. First step to a stronger, healthier society: Vote Obama

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Transparency
Posted by: ClassAct on Sep 19, 2008 7:03 AM   
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What the national government needs to do to regulate FIRE industries is to restore laws that governed business in the 19th century, for instance: limit lengths of charters, limit capital businesses can raise and the purposes to which it can be put, prohibit corporations from owning other companies. To enforce this, the states must demand (and the courts must support the demand) that every company doing business in a state must have a charter in that state; a single charter in Delaware is no longer acceptable except in Delaware. Any reform that does not at a minimum include these measures is simply adding further mechanisms to our Rube Goldberg-ian economic system, reducing its efficiency (as feeble as that is), and dubbing it the business buzzword of the decade “transparency.”

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Manic panic not me
Posted by: solrev on Sep 19, 2008 7:05 AM   
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“We've only just begun to live, White lace and promises A kiss for luck and we're on our way. And yes, We've just begun.
Before the rising sun we fly, So many roads to choose We start our walking and learn to run. And yes, We've just begun.
Sharing horizons that are new to us, Watching the signs along the way, Talking it over just the two of us, Working together day to day Together.
And when the evening comes we smile, So much of life ahead We'll find a place where there's room to grow, And yes, We've just begun.”

Everybody is an expert on what went wrong, but we do not seem to have any experts that can bail us out with bailouts. There is something going on what it is, is just not clear. I think you all are missing something that is very important, and that is, that which is sneaking into our national vocabulary. Even the supply sidewinders are saying it; “we are socializing the risk”. If you want to institute a government that will secure the entitlements of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, then large sectors of the economy have to be socialized. You are going to love the revolution of 2012, so do not panic, it's only money.

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» RE: Manic panic not me Posted by: Von
ba
Posted by: mnstra on Sep 19, 2008 7:22 AM   
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Any time you look at systems rather than individuals people are going to get away with murder.It is clear that the fat cat criminals need to be arrested now and all their assess ts confiscated!!! If we apply the rules of agency then we can point the finger at the CEO and managers within the elite and send them to jail. Remember Enron. People were wiped out. Then,
If we look at the damage to the American economy from Katrina, Gustave and Ike they do not compare
in dollar amounts to the destruction brought about by those entities we just bailed out,
This is a catastrophic melt down as severe as the flooding of New Orleans. It was caused by the most abject greed in history perpetrated by the fat pigs on Wall Street.

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The Good Life Has Been Over For Decades
Posted by: FoonTheElder on Sep 19, 2008 7:35 AM   
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The good life has been over for decades, it just took a long time to finally reach the end of the rope.

The good life started to unravel when wages stagnated 35 years ago and both spouses had to work to make ends meet. Family income may have been rising, but that was only because there were an extra 2000 hours of work time per year.

Then when even two jobs didn't work, the credit bubble allowed people to think that they were keeping up, even though they were digging themselves in a hole. After all, our President said times were great and home prices only go up!

Now its the end of the road. No alternatives, decreasing wages, heavy debt, prices going up on gas and food and no sign of change. We're at the end of the long road of the failed Reagan Revolution. The fortunate few made multi-millions and everyone else gets to pay the bill.

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» So true, so true Posted by: badkitty
American Nightmare - Thanks Dubua and McCain - Bush the worst President to ever enter the oval offic
Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Sep 19, 2008 7:49 AM   
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Yes, it's over folks. Erosion of the American Dream is now a full blown nightmare. We are headed for a full blown Depression if the Repuks get the ticket in November. Bush, as usual, has sat on his ASS, and let this situation get as bad as can be. And now we have to pay for it, Another trillion dollar bill at our expense. And the Fed's are screwing us all.

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On Community Organizers and Prisoners of War
Posted by: GrantBurkeVT on Sep 19, 2008 7:57 AM   
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http://www.marco.org/300

Everybody please read this article and understand why the corporate media and the political elites from pollsters to talkshow radio hosts go out of their way to ignore the truth about community organizing and its relationship to the lower/middle/working class.

AND PASS IT ON !!

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DEMOCRACY IS AS DEAD AS THE AMERICAN DREAM
Posted by: stopthemaddness2 on Sep 19, 2008 8:15 AM   
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Socialism. One World Order, as so ordered by the FEDS. It was clear, watching Bush on the airways today giving another carefully worded 3rd grade speech written for him by the Feds, which flanked him on either side. What was a great nation, what we remembered, the freedoms we enjoyed, the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness...those days are gone. We are headed for a Depression. And out of this Depression, will come the total control of the American public to such a toxic levels, we shall only be in America as a geographical fact. One World Order, the beginning, is what I witnessed today. This is what the end results are, and it is coming. Democracy is being replaced by socialism, and it is now a nightmare, no longer a dream.

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The most terrifying news I have ever read
Posted by: lorenbliss on Sep 19, 2008 8:24 AM   
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Tom Englehardt's foreword to this report contains the most terrifying news I have ever read. It slipped by me earlier because my focus was elsewhere -- on Moron Nation's seemingly unstoppable march toward fascism and theocracy and the probability that the death of the Soviet Union may well have been (despite the many flaws resulting from Soviet failure to escape the tyrannical undertow of Russian history), the death of the last true hope of the world's working people.

But a few minutes ago, Englehardt's disclosure woke me up not just in a cold sweat but in the gut-wrenching, chest-tightening tremors of profound anxiety:

"Elsewhere on the planet, it turns out, it was more obvious that the U.S. was in crisis. One small sign of the changing state of the globe's 'sole superpower' is that, even before banking institutions started to tumble off walls like so many Humpty Dumpties, the International Monetary Fund, that dominatrix of global capital, was planning to pay Washington a working visit. This is the sort of thing you expect, with great trepidation, if you're Haiti, or Pakistan, or Malawi, or Argentina on the brink of financial meltdown -- but the United States? Nonetheless, according to NPR's David Kestenbaum, 'The U.S. Treasury says America has now agreed to get a stability assessment from the IMF. The announcement didn't get much attention, but officials at the IMF expect to start examining U.S. finances in the next couple [of] months.'

Welcome to the Third World, America. Now, hold your hats while the whirlwind blows and the stock market goes into heart-attack mode..."

What this means is that Bush will almost certainly get his wish in terms of ending Social Security and Medicare. The U.S. is not solvent -- not by any stretch of imagination or manipulation of language -- and if the IMF does here what it has done everywhere else, part of its mercilessly pro-capitalist prescription will be drastic reductions (if not outright elimination) of Social Security pensions, Medicare, Medicaid and indeed virtually every other social-service program. All this -- and the biblical horrors so created -- will be imposed in the name of restoring capitalism: restoration that includes indirect genocide, specifically euthanasia by neglect: the deliberate extermination of "unprofitable" members of the working class -- those of us who are elderly, disabled or simply lacking in the skills the ruling class can exploit to make money -- methodically slain by starvation, exposure and disease.

Such is the legacy of the IMF: Pinochet's Chile -- and far worse. The IMF is blatantly -- even malevolently -- anti-democracy. Indeed it is not the least bit far-fetched to suppose that the IMF's intervention in U.S. economic affairs signals the end -- forever -- of any last remaining pretense of U.S. constitutional liberty.

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» It's already started.... Posted by: CatDad
Americans are idiots
Posted by: hollymoodyb on Sep 19, 2008 9:21 AM   
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Why has it taken us so long to figure out that

1. Reganomics was nothing more than a throwback to the pre-depression era

2. NEVER LET AN INDUSTRY POLICE ITSELF!!

We are finally seeing the chickens come home to roost in this economy who's downfall was begun in January of 1980 and continued by all of the failed policies of every Republican administration since. The democratic administrations are just as guilty, refusing to step up and make the necessary changes to protect this country. Passing the buck to the next administration has been the quid pro quo for nearly 3 decades. It is time for all of us to stand up and hold them accountable. We are the idiots when we don't learn from history-but then in todays age of instant gratification we really don't care about the consequences in the future, we want to feel good right now!

Has anyone figured out that deregulation is dangerous? No one in an industry can police themselves objectively; they will constantly rationalize their actions to fit their needs. Do you need anymore proof than what has been happening the last few days? This isn't just a matter of individual wealth, it truly is a national security issue. I fear what will happen to essential industries such as food if we don't get a reasonable amount of protections in place. Can we do that at the expense of instant gratification? I for one am willing to show a bit of patience, and to teach my kids that as well.

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Bruce Cockburn Warned Of The IMF 20 Years Ago
Posted by: Ishmael1 on Sep 19, 2008 9:23 AM   
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It kinda reminds me of this old Bruce Cockburn song, They Call It Democracy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68zccrskOqQ

Padded with power here they come
International loan sharks backed by the guns
Of market hungry military profiteers
Whose word is a swamp and whose brow is smeared
With the blood of the poor

Who rob life of its quality
Who render rage a necessity
By turning countries into labour camps
Modern slavers in drag as champions of freedom

Sinister cynical instrument
Who makes the gun into a sacrament --
The only response to the deification
Of tyranny by so-called "developed" nations'
Idolatry of ideology

North South East West
Kill the best and buy the rest
It's just spend a buck to make a buck
You don't really give a flying fuck
About the people in misery

IMF dirty MF
Takes away everything it can get
Always making certain that there's one thing left
Keep them on the hook with insupportable debt

See the paid-off local bottom feeders
Passing themselves off as leaders
Kiss the ladies shake hands with the fellows
Open for business like a cheap bordello

And they call it democracy
And they call it democracy
And they call it democracy
And they call it democracy

See the loaded eyes of the children too
Trying to make the best of it the way kids do
One day you're going to rise from your habitual feast
To find yourself staring down the throat of the beast
They call the revolution

IMF dirty MF
Takes away everything it can get
Always making certain that there's one thing left
Keep them on the hook with insupportable debt

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» God damn,do I declare! Posted by: bornxeyed
YOUR MONEY IS NOT PROTECTED FROM BANKS/INVESTORS/HOSPITALS
Posted by: Overburdened Planet on Sep 19, 2008 10:09 AM   
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Why gamble (vs. shelter) your money from banks, investors, (and now hospital bills)? If you aren't rich, you have to be poor—otherwise you stand to lose everything, so what's the point of playing their game folks?

How much of your money is covered by FDIC?
The 1.22% Reserve Ratio means that for every dollar in your bank account, the FDIC has 1-22/100¢ “in reserve” ready to cover your potential losses. This has proved to be an ample amount during the period of stability we've recently had, but it doesn't seem particularly significant, considering the recent headlines about banking losses.
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There’s only so much FDIC money to go around
The FDIC gathered a list of 90 banks it considers "in trouble." The list constitutes merely 1 percent of the institutions the FDIC insures; IndyMac was not included on the list.

Regulators predict that more than 100 banks will go under in the next year or so. Most of them are regional banks that specialized in riskier loans when the housing market was booming.

The FDIC is allocated $53 billion to cover bank failures. It expects to spend roughly 10 percent of that -- between $4 billion and $8 billion -- to bail out IndyMac alone. However, the rest of that money could go fast.
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FDIC Failed Bank List
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”Profits are privatized but losses are socialized…”
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The Shocking Truth About Upfront Hospital Fees
...applied for “charity care” at other hospitals but was rejected because he has saved about $10,000 in a 401(k)…most likely to be hit with upfront fees are the underinsured and the recently uninsured…having employer-provided insurance is no guarantee that you won’t need to pay before check-in…Today, the typical patient with private insurance is responsible for 23 percent of his or her medical bills—more than twice the out-of-pocket costs in 1980.

…if you need 30 radiation treatments, but your insurance will cover only 12, you pay for the other 18...And increasingly, you’ll be required to pay for them beforehand.”

…(hospitals demand payment upfront) usually from patients with long-term, costly conditions such as cancer and heart disease that may be life-threatening but aren’t classified as “medical emergencies.” (Hospitals are required by law to treat medical emergencies before asking for payment.)

…half of all hospitals lose money on patient care and see only a “narrow window of profit” from other income sources—such as grants and community donations—leaving one in four U.S. hospitals operating in the red. According to the AHA, for every $1 provided in patient care, hospitals receive only 92¢ in Medicare reimbursements and 87¢ from Medicaid, the federal-state health program for low-income people.

…(HOWEVER) Wall Street Journal analysis of data from the American Hospital Directory, the 50 largest not-for-profit institutions enjoyed a combined net income of $4.27 billion in 2006, an eightfold increase since 2001.

Meanwhile, the nation’s 2,919 nonprofit community hospitals receive some $50 billion in annual tax exemptions and other subsidies. Of those facilities, one in seven that responded to a 2006 Internal Revenue Service survey required patients to pay or make an arrangement for payment prior to being admitted.

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ABOUT THE OLD RULES
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Sep 19, 2008 10:14 AM   
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Had they been left in place we wouldn't be where we are today. There's no way to prevent all problems but things can be controlled. Bush insisted on letting the makets run unchecked, and they did. The very same philosophy this man had about the Iraq war. All those rules were thrown out also. George Bush will go down in history as the ultimate American tragedy. Anyone attempting to act on behalf of the American people was fired. ANNA

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They should all go to prison for high treason
Posted by: cyr3n on Sep 19, 2008 10:59 AM   
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All those CEOS and CFOs should go to prison for high treason. Confiscate their wealth. If this was another time in history, those responsible would be sent to the gallows by angry mobs or executed for treason. Why should my taxpayer money go towards helping them?? I barely pay my rent every month with the costs of everything going up. Off with their heads!

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Sleep on if you wish
Posted by: misty2 on Sep 19, 2008 12:46 PM   
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Sleep on if you wish or wake up! When are the Americans going to realize that those old financial institutions did not collapse overnight, if indeed they "collapsed" at all? I think that your current administration has decided to trash the United States but has decided not to allow the good ole boys to suffer another "great depression" Instead it is slicing up the pie and dividing it up among their cronies in good standing. Those at the top are going to remain extremely rich, while you and your great grandchildren pay for the "Good Life" for those at the top. Do you deserve this? The answer is a resounding YES!

Why? You have allowed yourselves to be divided along what you see as racial and class lines when indeed this was designed to keep you asleep while they ran off with the company store. They don't intend for McCain and Palin to win. That is why they placed an unknown, small time politician on the ticket. Their reward will be a piece of the pie. They want Obama to inherit this mess of insurmountable odds.

It is known that Obama will not do what has to be done to take back the country because he too is an "American" and will be hard pressed to do anything that will make him look like a dictator, or worse, a Muslim, by seizing the assets of the companies who are depleting your treasury. He will not seize the gold in Fort Knox; it does not belong to the people any longer, to repay the loans so that you can begin again as a debt free country. Why? Because you will call him a traitor, a Muslim and will say, "I knew we couldn't trust that n-word!"

Don't you even wonder why all of those "incompetent" CEO's wind up with multi-million dollar parachutes when the company, agency or whatever, can no longer ,apparently, sustain itself? Can't you see that the biggest number of sufferers will be white middle class people? Blacks and Mexicans are only small minorities in this country. The census list blacks as being 12.85% with Hispanics not listed separately. Hispanic is not listed as a race because Hispanic is determined by origin. As such only 15% of the population is listed as Hispanic. Yet you are set at odds with minority groups because those who manipulate you have convinced you that your ills are attributed to minorities while they rob you BLIND!

Yet that is exactly what you need. Unfortunately you are too divided to work together with anyone to reclaim America for Americans. Do you think your ex-presidents will even reside in this country? Not on your life. They have already built their homes elsewhere. Why do you NEVER see Bush senior, Cheney, or their good friend Clinton (an almost never here) anymore? They are living it up abroad.

The coffee is brewing. Does anyone smell it?

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» RE: Sleep on if you wish Posted by: jvaljon1
» RE: Sleep on if you wish Posted by: jvaljon1
» RE: Sleep on if you wish Posted by: misty2
What we can do
Posted by: CA NOW on Sep 19, 2008 12:48 PM   
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We need to call on Congress this week to tell them they must act now! Use this toll-free number: 1-888-245-0215

Tell them: Please do not leave this month without passing an economic recovery package that helps low-income people avoid hardships, helps the jobless, maintains needed public services, and boosts the economy.

You'll be connected to the Capitol Switchboard - please ask to be connected to your Representative and your two Senators.
Look up your Representative's name.
Look up your Senators' names.

Background: The House leadership is expected to bring up a recovery bill soon. Discussions are going on now about what might be in the package. We need your help to press for aid to help low-income people pay for food, heat, and other basic needs, and to make sure that essential public services are maintained. Advocates have been urging more funds for food and home energy assistance, additional weeks of unemployment benefits, more aid to states for rising Medicaid costs and to keep collecting child support owed to millions of children, more funds for Head Start, and more jobs through infrastructure repair and jobs programs for youth. For explanation of these proposals, see Towards Shared Recovery.

Read more on how the economy is affecting women and families.

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O.K. All You Anglo Saxon English And Americans EAT Your Heart Out
Posted by: opmoc on Sep 19, 2008 1:11 PM   
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The Greeks and Turks are well ahead
The Indians are close to the Top
The Irish are absolutely Fucking Brilliant
The Dutch just give you a cannabis lollipop as you arrive and show you to their State of the Art Train

And you get on it and it glides almost silently

And then you get off in

AMSTERDAM

Tony

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A Partial Explanation of The British Empire
Posted by: opmoc on Sep 19, 2008 4:01 PM   
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Kasabian - Empire

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CommonDreamer
Posted by: CommonDreamer on Sep 19, 2008 6:55 PM   
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A very good article. While they were so busy raising the prices of everything due to tax cuts for the very wealthy they forgot the most crucial raises of all - for workers. This is where money should be concentrated if you want a good economy where all can participate. Rising home prices without commensurate wages do not help. Wages first - success will follow because those who can afford it finally, will purchase homes and will participate in the economy. But they did it backwards and without any sense at all - depressing wages and raising prices at the same time - the new garbage math doesn't work, and never will.

Any sane economic policy puts the money and big tax breaks at the bottom because the top always takes care of itself - certainly it doesn't need any help (although they are consistently wining for more and more, and you can see the poor results). And a sane economy also privatizes risk and socializes profit - but this one has been the other way around. Is it any wonder our standard of living just keeps going down? We are still supporting the big trickle down rip off and until that stops, we will never get anywhere.

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Author, you are clueless!
Posted by: bornxeyed on Sep 19, 2008 7:35 PM   
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In speaking of the creation of the Federal Reserve to regulate and buffer economic shocks:

That worked well enough until the Great Crash of 1929 and the Great Depression that followed and lasted until World War II.

Author, you are either clueless or disingenuous.

The Federal Reserve MANUFACTURED The Great Crash of 1929. If you can't admit that, or still think the Great Depression was just a result of uncontrollable random forces, what is the point in reading any of your quasi-historic drivel?

The Federal Reserve was created to manufacture economic crises in order to increase the relative wealth of the investment class.

The concept is simple, grow the economy until there is a stable middle class and then crash it, wiping out their wealth by transferring it to the investment class.

Boom and Bust cycles have become almost mathematically predictable in the last 100 years and each time the gap between rich and poor increases as wealth is transfered from the working class to the investment class.

And the entity that creates these cycles is the Federal Reserve.

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» RE: Author, you are clueless! Posted by: jvaljon1
Unfettered Capitalism - the way I see it
Posted by: bornxeyed on Sep 19, 2008 8:10 PM   
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In the last few months The People of the United States have so far invested

$30 Billion in the investment banking industry (Bear-Sterns Bailout ~$1000/citizen)

Perhaps $4 Trillion dollars in the home mortgage industry(Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac Bailout ~$133,333/citizen - hey we all now own a 1000sq ft. house in the working class part of town!)

and now $85 Billion in the insurance industry (AIG ~$2800/citizen)

The way I see it, a few more years of unfettered capitalism and we, The People, will own all the assets. Welcome to the United States of America - a socialist nation!


I hope Senors Chavez and both Castros are all having a good laugh over a fine Port and a good Havana cigar!

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Socialization for the rest of us...
Posted by: jvaljon1 on Sep 19, 2008 11:41 PM   
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,,,not just for the richest among us!

Socialization...BAD...what are you, a Comsymp?

I'd rather be a comsymp than a neoCON, right now. What I'd like to see is a thriving economy. With gas at the pump going for 5 and 6 cents a gallon, and consequently, life is affordable, there are jobs, and life is good.

What am I describing? Venezuela! They bail out our poor every winter with free and/or heavily discounted heating oil. Hi, Hugo!

Hugo kicked Shell & Exxon out of Venezuela, earning him the title of "Dictator" by our POS president. Hmmm, said I: Bush hates Chavez? There must be some good to him!

There is. Chavez is an independent populist. His is the only thriving economy in South America. The only one not host to drug cartels. The other countries went with Uncle Sam--and now they're in the dirt. I wish we had Chavez' socialist set up. We're halfway there--we've socialized the risk that our financial institutions have taken. Why them and not us?

We should make our Constitutional Republic work for the people--not just for the rich. I've loved Chavez ever since Bush called him a "dictator" and kicked Big Oil out of there.

Now I want my country to be as great as it once was--before Bush. For a start we can adopt Chavez' way of running things. First how to deal with the goddam crooks and thugs in the Senate and a few in Congress, who protected the crooks and thugs in the White House, and somehow are still shielding them from even impeachment--although they all need to be arrested.

I don't want to wake up on Election Day--see the utter ruin of this country that nobody will let us see, till these pigs are gone--and know that they got away with murdering our country, our people, AND our Constitution, and are off somewhere in the Cayman Islands thumbing their nose at us. Or at Burj Dubai, more likely. I do NOT want to see that. But unless somebody nabs these crooks--that's what we'll all see. Evil triumphing, after Election Day.

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Thank God we still have socialism for the rich.
Posted by: blogoffanddie on Sep 20, 2008 9:39 AM   
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Thank God we still have socialism for the rich. How would they make the payments on their multi-million dollar mansions and Mercedes’ without a little helping hand from Joe Middle Class American Taxpayer. Like you, I often worry for the rich too.

The American Dream is failing because the American Dream has become the world's nightmare.

http://blogoffanddie.wordpress.com

So long Dubya, we'll always have debt and Guantanamo

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Collapse is intentional and a done deal
Posted by: billwald on Sep 20, 2008 11:07 AM   
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The large middle class in the western nations is an unsustainable condition caused by freak post WW2 conditions. We are reverting to the world norm of 80% working poor.

Our owners understand this and have planned the collapse to benefit themselves and pacify the new working poor. The alternative might be a return to rule by city-states which the one worlders might not be able to control.

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Hyperinflation, Austerity, or Default and War
Posted by: dayahka on Sep 20, 2008 3:01 PM   
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Sorry, but I don't think it's up to us at all, for we, the people, have no power or motivation. The solution to the financial crisis will be decided, as will the election, by the ruling class, the elite--not us. They will chose one of three options to get out from under the massive debt they have created--and now doubled or tripled through nationalization (socialization) of the criminal enterprise known as Wall Street: hyperinflation, with the dollar going into the abyss and our debts to "foreigners" repaid through the printing press; austerity, where we enter an extended period of frugality and austerity, save our money, rebuild our capital, and repay our debts; or we default on all debts and engage in endless wars--for whatever reason. The elite may have toyed with hyperinflation, but that would lead to severe problems with the whimpering masses. They briefly considered austerity, the right way, the moral way, but realized quickly that Americans are too spoiled and undisciplined for that ever to work. So, only default on debts and war remains, and wars it will be, from now until hell freezes over.

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Was the "American Dream" really a dream, or a nightmare?
Posted by: hilly7 on Sep 20, 2008 9:22 PM   
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Stop and think about it, was it a dream, or a nightmare? We seldom saw our family and seldom rested. We ran from one job to the next, each wanting more and more production, yet pay never justified. I wonder just how many feel, like I did for a while, for the speech about one big family, or we're all family. If that was the case, it wasn't like the one I grew up in, nor my family, we weren't abusive and treated each other with respect.

We bought all kinds of things they said we needed on TV, or perhaps someone else had it. Usually the things were either wore out or were soon outdated, so we bought more junk. Paying for all these percieved necessities, we prayed we didn't get sick, so much so, we mad ourselves sick - physically, emotionally, spiritually, mentally sick. We knew the banks didn't care if we were sick, they just wanted their money. Our new family at work didn't like sick, good family members are productive and show up on death's bed.

We built a house, then doubled the size a few years later, drove new cars, had designed clothes. We even bought another house and a farm, all the while, our new adoptive familes were reminding us how special we were... but we could be replaced. Oh how fortunate we were, we were young, health (for a while), successful (in appearance), but just not happy. Boy we were sure lucky, luckier than those poor deprived people in other countries. Their faces however were a bit more sincere and fulfilled, except for the starving ones.

Three years ago, an eye opening event occurred that made us stop and look at what we had become and just how happy we were.

This is the American Dream? They can keep it.

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Blame the Federal Reserve
Posted by: Reader11722 on Sep 20, 2008 9:42 PM   
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Once the Congress handed over the responsibility for coining currency over to zionist bankers we were doomed. Unbacked, paper money, yet another infringement on our rights by the gov't. Add it to the ever-growing list of violations:
They violate the 1st Amendment by opening mail, caging demonstrators and banning books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon, Wikipedia and Facebook.
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns during Katrina.
They violate the 4th Amendment by conducting warrant-less wiretaps.
They violate the 5th and 6th Amendment by suspending habeas corpus.
They violate the 8th Amendment by torturing at Gitmo.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting illegal wars without declaration.
Impeach them all (both parties) and save this great country.

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kondraief curve.
Posted by: richholland on Sep 20, 2008 11:17 PM   
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Prof.Kondraief, Stalins economist analysed the Capitalisme and told his boss in the thirties;
Capitalisme creates a crise every 7 to 12 years and a big Recession every 50 - 70 years.
Stalin was happy to hear this
But after much suffering for the workers the Capitalists survive. the professor said.
Stalin sent his professor into a concentration camp.

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Glass-Steagall
Posted by: cdmsr on Sep 21, 2008 1:25 AM   
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Regarding the statement: "(although Glass-Steagall was repealed on Clinton's watch)," it is disingenuous. Glass-Steagall was repealed with the passage of the Gramm-Leach-Blilely Act in November, 1999. Gramm-Leach was written and sponsored by Repulican legislators, passed by a veto-proof majority in the Republican-controlled House and Senate. Pres. Clinton couldn't stop this massive and (as is now too obvious)dangerous deregulation "reform."

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OUR WRITERS ARE COGENT. BUT THIS MAY BE THE GREATEST OPPORTUNITY WE WILL
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Sep 21, 2008 10:41 AM   
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get. We have to break the back of the NEOCONS. What better way to do it than to nationalize Wall Street. With the money comes the controll. Every single "bailed out" company should get a congressionally appointed board fo directors.

Our writer says, "Stringent re-regulation is not enough anymore." He is so right. When a banker makes a big loan he makes it part of the terms of the loan that one of his guys goes on the board. He is protecting his interest. The republicans won't put these people on the board. The democrats need to force one on now. If we have a democratic landslide we demand majority control of the boards.

Our writer says, "What comes after is, in part, up to us." He is so right. But, rather, it is all up to us. Its easy. When we loan we take our share.

We deal daily with nationalized industries. When you buy oil from Mexico, PEMEX is nationalized. When you buy a NISSAN automobile you are buying from a nationalized car company. There is no need to fear nationalization. The fear comes from the greedy.

Why do we need to do this? Businessmen lie to us. Let me try a case in point to demonstrate this. There was a joke in the early days of the cold war that went like this. The Russians could find out how to make the atomic bomb and the H-bomb, but we could not find out how much GM spent to make a Chevrolet. It was funny because it was true. How has this changed?

When Lee Ioacoca (sp) went to Jimmy Carter for a loan the deal hammered out included 2 members of the resulting Chrysler board from the UAW. We still don't know about GM but we know what Chrysler has to do to stay in the game. Business calls this proprietary knowledge. But to the person on the other side it looks like sneaking, cheating, and lying. We have to take care of ourselves and this is part of it.

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YES and McCain is RESPONSIBLE AGAIN!!! TRAITOR!
Posted by: Purple Girl on Sep 26, 2008 6:31 AM   
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What does 300 Billion in 1988 equate to Now? About 700 billion?
Well That is What Benedict mcCain has cost the American Citizen during his 'Service'. what has it cost us in 'Way of Life'.. JOBS< HOMES< SAVINGS< EDUCATION< BLOOD and OUR FUTURE
Please Explain How this Does NOT Equal TREASON!?!
Let's go back to Mac's Failed LIE About his NFL confession. In Fact lets go back to be a danger to his fellow Soldiers by being granted Graduation for the Academy and being handed a Plane he was not qualified to be in- He endangered his entire Team by his Ineptitude and 'Free pass' . had Mac actually EVER Believed in Country First he would have Declined such an Assignment because he would have conceded his Inabilities, Reckless endangerment, bu this Arrogance got in his Way!
Let's Consider his Keating 5 Scandal affiliation and How it is Deja Vu all over again with this latest Economic Melt down. Let's consider those He has Hired as Campaign staff and Advisors. Even without their Actual complicity in this comspiracy to Undermine the American Economy with Forethough and Malice, Mac has once committed RECKLESS ENDANGERMENT- FYI if they run a company into the Ground, they will Run a Country into the Ground.
Mac choice of VP is another instance of RECKLESS ENDANGERMENT- this Woman is NOT Qualified to run this Country in Good Times- she is the epitome of Mac's Reckless and Self Centered personal Doctrine. Her Choice not only endangers US for Bad decisions, But also What she could Initiate!The Woman Doesn't Even KNOW what the name of the Treachous Doctrine that lead US to an Unjustifiable War....SARAH IT"S CALLED THE "BUSH DOCTRINE"- Elementary my Dear Palin!It is the one that called for 'Pre- emptive Strikes' regardless of Real Evidence- it has cost US Treasure and Our Family members Blood, and futures.
Such decsions and actions on the part of this Mr.Benedict Mccain is plenty of evidence HE STILL DOES NOT LOVE AMERICA ( not nearly as much as Himself)
POW? Benedict Arnold was A fucking GENERAL- So it is not Yur title it is Your Actions that dicatate Your patriotism Mr.TURNCOAT!

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