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The Pinched Middle Class Is Ditching Target for Wal-Mart

By Marie Cocco, Washington Post Writers Group. Posted August 26, 2008.


Money is on the mind of voters as they see their paychecks shrink from inflation, their jobs threatened and their middle-class dreams diminished.
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The one certainty I have about the economy is that I did not cause Target's profits to slide. Quite the opposite. I've been dedicating time for trips to the discount retailer to save a few bucks that would otherwise have been spent thoughtlessly buying, say, paper towels at the grocery store, where you never know if they'll be on sale.

But it turns out that consumers more pinched than I am are switching to Wal-Mart, so that discounter has been posting sales increases while Target is slumping. With wholesale inflation for July just reported at a 27-year high, consumer prices in the coming months will likely have at least some of this summer's painful energy costs factored in, so we probably haven't seen the worst of inflation.

Even Saks, the luxury department store, is suffering a slide in sales and profits. The economic pain is trickling up, a perversely welcome change from the immunity the Saks class has enjoyed for too many years to count.

This week's bad news is almost sure to be followed by more next week, when the Census Bureau reports on 2007 trends in income, poverty and the number of Americans without health insurance. This consistently alarming number is likely to climb again. Employers were dumping insurance coverage to pare costs even before they started dumping significant numbers of jobs altogether. And since insurance coverage is usually tied to jobs, the logic is inescapable. "I expect a significant increase in the number of the uninsured," says Jared Bernstein, a senior economist at the Economic Policy Institute.

The surge in inflation comes after years during which wages have been mostly flat, another trend likely to be confirmed by the Census. The economic expansion that began after the 2001 recession could be the first on record in which real median family income actually will be lower at the end of the "recovery" than it was at the last business peak in 2000, Bernstein believes.

It is no overstatement to call this a crisis. The thoroughly disheartening twist is that it seems not to have sparked a political uprising, even in the midst of a presidential campaign.

With economic conditions about as bad as they've been since the early 1980s, the most pressing political stories of the past week have been entirely -- and exhaustively -- beside the point. One involved whether Republican John McCain or Democrat Barack Obama was more effective in groveling before the famous pastor of an evangelical Christian megachurch. When the two candidates were not maneuvering their way through the religious thicket, they were calibrating their strategies for announcing their choices for vice president. Never mind that there's precious little historical evidence that this choice matters very much in an election's outcome. The way the candidates stage-manage the selection is now supposedly the significant and revealing event.

You are left to wonder what any of this has to do with the price of milk, which, like the price of most food, has gotten completely out of hand. I have never been one to hold politicians accountable for not knowing the answer to those silly questions such as how much a gallon of milk or a loaf of bread costs. This particular game of gotcha is unfair to politicians running for president since they really do live in a cocoon imposed partly by contemporary security needs and partly by their fear of giving a thoroughly embarrassing answer.

Still, the price of milk -- rather, the broader, complicated, awful economic circumstances we confront that have helped lead to the mind-boggling price of milk -- should be the most talked-about political issue right now.

Yet other than the drill-or-not-to-drill-for-offshore-oil debate, no economic issue has made it into the core campaign message of either candidate.

You can't blame McCain. He is closely tied to the Bush administration's failures on the economy and even flip-flopped to say he would continue the exorbitant tax breaks for the rich that he first wisely opposed. But where is the outrage from Obama? It has turned up, finally, in television ads that, in part, use McCain's own statements on the economy to depict the Arizona senator as clueless.

Amid this blur, I long for a candidate who would "focus like a laser beam" on the economy. That's what voters are doing as they see their paychecks shrink from inflation, their jobs threatened and their middle-class dreams diminished.

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Marie Cocco is a prize-winning syndicated columnist on political and cultural topics for The Washington Post Writers Group. She is a frequent commentator on national TV and radio shows.

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» civility, please Posted by: socialpsych
» RE: civility, please Posted by: jroth420
» RE: Hollow Commentary Posted by: Cybershaman
» RE: Hollow Commentary Posted by: socialpsych
» RE: Hollow Commentary Posted by: Aimleft
» RE: Hollow Commentary Posted by: marilee
» Vote w/your wallet Posted by: weathered
Im feeling the squeeze...
Posted by: gregoireb on Aug 26, 2008 4:06 AM   
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... And will not shop at Wal-Mart or Sam's Club due to the way they treat their employees! I've had acquaintances and friends work at both and have heard plenty, independent of the press.

And I'm definitely feeling the middle class squeeze since I lost my job as a mental health therapist and have been stuck working in retail since (but not for a lack of seeking other employment).

Wal-Mart may be the absolute cheapest on name brand products and that's ok as my household is generally quite content with other store's house brands.

And one interesting thing I've learned is that since I sell outdoor gear where I work, that the name brand products available at Wal-Mart are definitely of lower quality than the products I have from the same manufacturer. You get what you pay for...

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» RE: Im feeling the squeeze... Posted by: richholland
» But Target gets a free pass Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
The analysis is just missing one thing.
Posted by: donal1944 on Aug 26, 2008 4:08 AM   
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Your reports on the effect of the onrushing economic crash are well written and generally correct but they lack perspective.

First of all there is no middle class. That’s polisci babble. There are only working people and the rich who rob us blind, with the help of tawdry managers, pulpit pimps, cops, judges, and lawyers. The present incapacity of working people to defend themselves will end as effects of the economic crisis, the war, and the habit of both parties to pander to racists, sexists (^^^^^^) and homophobes gets to be too much to bear.

Read the history of prior depressions to see how long it took for mass anger to turn into mass unrest - it takes years. However, we can already see that the breakup of the two party system is underway. The time is long past when politicians of either party can endlessly break their word without consequence. For decades now most voters haven’t bothered to vote because they’re sick and tired of choosing between lesser evils.

The growth of massive and pushy movements to end the war, enact harsh laws to end punish bigotry and for things like a constitutionally guaranteed minimum wage of something like $25.00 an hour (adjusted for inflation) with universal trade union levels of benefits and working conditions are all being discussed. So is socialized medicine. But at the top of the list is the fight to compel the total, immediate and permanent withdrawal of all US forces from the Middle East to US home bases.

The antiwar movement of the Vietnam era, along with the fierce resistance of the Vietnamese forced the total and permanent withdrawal of US forces. And for dessert happily managed to politically destroy the careers of LBJ and Nixon.) Who ever replaces Bush will meet the same political fate and leave office in disgrace.

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It means something to the GLBT communities.
Posted by: donal1944 on Aug 26, 2008 5:10 AM   
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The results are in and they show that Obama is far better at pandering to bigots than McCain, reversing the stats garnered by Bushbrain Rove from 2000 to 2006.

What that means for the LGBT communities is that if the bigots elect Obama they’ll own him. Just like they own Bush. For now Obama has their support polling 34% for McCain and 43% for Obama. That's bad news for the GLBT communities and for pro-choice groups.

And it explains why the Democrats gutted ENDA and dropped it and the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes law after it had passed both houses of Congress. That’s why Obama ordered that the terms gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered/transsexual be excised from his platform. He doesn’t want anyone accusing him of being pro-LGBT. As if.

All and all Obama’s pandering to bigots is a big deal. It’s a sign of what to expect from him. Another stab in the back.

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Most retail outlets are not a whole lot different from Walmart.
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 26, 2008 5:16 AM   
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If people want cheaps, they're gonna settle for shit like Walmart. Let's face it. The first thing a typical finance course will teach you goes something like this

"Wholesale volume sales is good for business whereas high quality and expensive won't cut it."

That said, this is where our so-called "free" trade agreements have been coming from and as long as companies are allowed the "freedom" to get away with importing toxic products from near-slave labor just because they're "cheap", quality will remain privatized. And don't worry. Walmart is already aware of it and has upgraded their database technologies to perhaps address them local issues from place to place. One Walmart here is not the same as the Walmart 500 miles away.

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» RE:verse course Posted by: Cybershaman
It serves Target Right
Posted by: US Citizen on Aug 26, 2008 5:34 AM   
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So the middle class isn't shopping at Target anymore. It serves Target right, since Target's leadership is mostly Bush neo-cons who have only contempt for the lower class people who shop at their stores. In fact, the CEO of Target financed the infamous Swift-Boat campaign team to smear a Democratic (or as they would say, "Democrat") candidate for governor of Minnesota, so that the Bush Neo-Con Republican, Pawlenty, could remain in power as governor in 2006.

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dont shop walmart; use ebay and craigslist
Posted by: cyr3n on Aug 26, 2008 5:55 AM   
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There's enough junk to go around. Buy stuff from ebay and craigslist or yardsales when you can. That way you can hawk it back for sale online practically getting 90-110% of your money back when you're done using it.

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» RE: AMEN!! Posted by: Bonita
You get what you pay for....
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Aug 26, 2008 5:57 AM   
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I do not believe there really is a "middle class" anymore. I work everyday, and while I watch my pennies, I refuse to buy from Wal-Mart. I think they are hostile to unions and their employees! Not to mention that the cheap stuff you buy - is cheap in quality!

The Walton family has made their money hand over fist, and yet the people workin for them in this country and China (where this stuff is made) are treated miserably. The average Chinese person that works for one of Wal-Marts suppliers may make .50 cents a day (12 hrs a day, 7 days a week), I dare anyone in this country to live on that! Of course that's where we are all headed as the tax breaks just keep on going to the wealthy! Vote for McShame you'll get more of the same!

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Target's 30% Interest Credit Card
Posted by: US Citizen on Aug 26, 2008 6:40 AM   
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When discussing Target, one must mention its credit card which will charge up to and including 30% interest. Of all the credit cards out there, Target's credit card is the most predatory, the worst of a bad lot. It also charges exoribant late fees using that questionable due date logic. A wise shopper would avoid Target and especially never use the Target Visa card.

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» Big Bank Hearts Delware Joe Posted by: theVRWCwhodatesLiberals
Re-elect Bush and what is the logical consequence?
Posted by: Sojourner on Aug 26, 2008 6:44 AM   
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Yes, I know that working class and middle class were told that Bush would wave his magic family history and pull us through.

But how could we have believed any of that? Remember the London headline when the last presidential race results were announced? "How could 160 million Americans be so stupid"?

Our stupidity has consequences.

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Idealism vs. Survival
Posted by: snax on Aug 26, 2008 7:29 AM   
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I think the article illustrates the grim reality that survival will ultimately trump idealism when forced to choose between the two. One may despise the Wal-Mart way, but when they can't afford to shop elsewhere for the things they need, it matters allot less to most people.

Anyway, some food for thought.

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» RE: Idealism vs. Survival Posted by: US Citizen
» RE: Idealism vs. Survival Posted by: Knot_Rich
» RE: Idealism vs. Survival Posted by: Noella
Target's Niche Is Disappearing
Posted by: FoonTheElder on Aug 26, 2008 7:37 AM   
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When times get tough, consumers get thrifty. Target's niche of middle-class chic is being replaced by people looking for the best price. The name of the game is bargains, and if you don't provide them, your sales will suffer.

A brand new Super Target just opened in my area. It appears that Target is aiming to keep its profit margins high in this recession instead of keeping its sales up. The prices for food are the highest of any supermarket in the area. The rest of the store is not well organized and the prices don't give anyone a reason to shop there.

The new Target store is not that busy, at the same time there is a Wal-Mart and Sam's Club next door that do very good business.

Target's managment acts as if the bad economy is just a temporary thing that will last only a few months. I believe they are in for a long term shock.

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Walmart and Target are only part of the corporate/wealthy elite forces PRIVATIZING what's left of
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 26, 2008 9:06 AM   
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the middle class. Until we put quality over quantity, it's gonna get rougher out there.

P.S.: Sorry to hear what happened to Hugh. He and I may have had our disagreements on Obama vs Nader but he wasn't so bad. I wish him the best of luck out there and I do think he'll prevail.

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Wal-Mart...???
Posted by: songbird1268 on Aug 26, 2008 8:08 AM   
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Goodwill is more like it from where I sit. At least, that's certainly all I can afford right now.

Not to mention that I absolutely refuse to darken the door of any place even remotely connected to the Walton's Evil Empire.

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sorry to disappoint but...
Posted by: jebpgh on Aug 26, 2008 8:13 AM   
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The latest census data indicates that the number of uninsured fell by 1 million, poverty as a % of the population increased slightly and everything else stayed pretty much the same. I don't know what the cause of the decline in uninsured was - but I suspect the labor market has gotten a bit tighter in some places.

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» RE: Little Pink Houses... Posted by: djcrow22
» RE: sorry to disappoint but...Link please? Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale
The true Middle Class shops at Dayton Hudson's or Macy's
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 26, 2008 8:30 AM   
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The folks that use Target of Wal-Mart are not the true middle class, These good people are trying to eek out a living on 25-100,000 per year. Even on the top side,$100,000 a year.
You're only at the top 1% of low income and they've always shopped at Wal-Mart,you can't beat two dozen tube socks for $3 anywhere.
No this article is trying to fool us into thinking there really is a middle class and they are hurting. What they are really saying
is "Even with discount stores like Target and Wal-Mart our economy is so screwed up,the folks that truly pay taxes can't get by".
Where does the imaginary middle class shop? Goodwill, St Vinnes, rummage sales and we wait for inventory clearence sales to go to Target or Wal-Mart. Why? Because all our income goes to just trying to survive in America. Macy's,we see them at the parade. Wal-Mart just makes us feel better about pinching pennies until Lincoln cries.

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Bring Back Community
Posted by: Gravitas on Aug 26, 2008 8:53 AM   
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One thing I have noticed is that people in the U.S. have completely lost the concept of community. While sitting at bus stops, I still notice the majority of people driving alone in their cars. Car pooling can be a very powerful weapon in the price of gas. I wonder how many people who have lost their homes even considered doubling up for several months, to give both families a chance to start saving again? I understand that people may not want to deal with strangers, but organizations should form to help match likeminded people. (Or done through church groups).

Cyn above had a great suggestion, garage sales. There is absolutely enough junk to go around. I am fortunate to live in Chicago near a recycling center with a stuff exchange. Every time I see school supplies there I take them for my students. I have also been simplifying my own apartment (if McCain wins I am moving to Canada, any Canadians out there want to offer me a job???)and I take anything at all that could be useful to the exchange. Quite honestly when I see my wasteful neighbors toss perfectly good stuff like brand new cleaning supplies I take that too and leave it at the exchange. (I use earth friendly when possible!)

Every community should start something like bartering clubs. I think Ithica, New York is a great model. What happened to "American ingenuity?" What happened to that fighting spirit? The Chinese say crisis is danger plus opportunity. While I don't disagree with the need for political change, people should never lose the ability to help themselves.

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» Today's community Posted by: Ignatz deFyre
» RE: Today's community Posted by: Knot_Rich
» Craigslist Posted by: Bonita
Walmart isn't cheaper than Target
Posted by: nfamous on Aug 26, 2008 8:56 AM   
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Sometimes you do get what you pay for and sometimes you don't. Walmart is dirty and it's always crowded with Mexicans (nothing against Mexicans but they come to Walmart in droves in NC) and cheapskates that think their prices are lower. I've done price comparison shopping and Walmart isn't any cheaper than Target where I live. In fact Target was cheaper on a few items. Also Target stores are well staffed, well stocked, very clean and have better quality merchandise overall. Everything isn't on top of everything else. When you combine that with Walmart's slave labor practices, bad economy or not, I'm going to Target. Walmart is a scam.

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How many Americans are stockholders in these corps?
Posted by: seastar on Aug 26, 2008 9:47 AM   
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Here's a review of how these corporations are doing on the stock market. I hope most people realize that the fight for the bottomline has a lot to do with keeping stockholders happy and there are more Americans reaping investment profit than ever before.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ic/732.html

Until we take a good look at paper wealth in our country on all income levels, nothing much will change.

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Walmart or target
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Aug 26, 2008 10:33 AM   
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I dunno, I use both on a regular basis (usually stop at which ever one I am driving by at the time) and they seem to be very comparable on prices. I do not notice a big difference bewtween the two.

RD
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Consuming Less
Posted by: pdxjoe on Aug 26, 2008 10:42 AM   
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It saves more money than consuming cheaper.

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I never thought I would defend Wal-Mart in any way, but...
Posted by: phatkhat on Aug 26, 2008 10:45 AM   
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due to the economy and other factors, I've had to go to work there. And it really is not so bad. In a sense, it is rather like being in the military again, which has an upside and a downside.

One reason, I'm afraid, that Target is sinking is that they DO pay better than Wal-Mart, and their prices reflect that - along with some of their other costs being higher.

It may be feasible to not shop at Wal-Mart if you live in an urban area, but it is hard to avoid it in rural communities, since there is often nowhere else to go, or if there is, the prices are outrageous. (Not that Wal-Mart is as cheap as people are led to believe, either.)

In our rural Arkansas community of around 3,000, Wal-Mart employs about 10% of us, or 300 employees at the Supercenter. They are one of three significant "permanent" employers, the other two being the hospital and the chicken processing plant.

Wal-Mart pays wages that are typical of the area in which they are located. Above minimum wage, but not much, to start. They offer productivity based raises, so you can earn more if you work harder. They offer an employee discount, stock option plan, 401K, and insurance - even for part-timers.

I'm finding my fellow associates, for the most part, to be friendly and helpful, and there is definitely a team spirit - which is probably a leftover from Sam's day.

Is it a great job? No. Will it put food on the table? Yes. It is no better and no worse than the majority of jobs I've had in my life.

You don't have to shop at Wal-Mart, and if you are really pinching pennies, the Dollar General and Family Dollar are probably a better bet. And yes, buy "recycled" things through the alternative economy.

But think about one thing. Wal-Mart really DOES have an equal employment policy. The associates at our store are probably a pretty good cross-section of the local population. And a lot of these people could probably not get work anywhere else. Wal-Mart will hire you if you are old/fat/ugly/disabled or if you are young/thin/beautiful/healthy. Wal-Mart doesn't care if you are black, white, or some shade of brown, or if you are gay or straight.

I, being over the hill myself, am gratified to see so many other grey heads on the workforce. And trust me, all you kids, it is HARD to find work if you are over 50!

And what I have said here is exactly why so many rural communities welcome Wal-Mart with open arms, even while urban ones balk.

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if things are so bad why is the author buying paper towels, last time I looked
Posted by: Suzon on Aug 26, 2008 10:50 AM   
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they were not one of life's necessities. I've lived in the UK for the last 21 years and most of the time the pound has been very high against the dollar, but it was for environmental reasons that I chose to pretty much do without stuff like paper towels, paper napkins, aluminum foil, plastic film, sandwich bags, etc.

Spilled something? Use a sponge, mop or a rag (remember those?). Need to store something in the fridge? Use a dish, with a cover if need be.

Actually, I have bought the items mentioned above, but once in a blue moon (five times in two decades?) and have not found my quality of life diminished.

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the sad truth about walmart...
Posted by: undrgrndgirl on Aug 26, 2008 10:54 AM   
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is that they have EVERYTHING...i thought i'd never set foot in a wally-world again since i moved back to the sf bay area (from a city in the mid west that now sports TWO walmarts and little else)- but i end up in there anyway because they have a wider selection of goods than either target in my area...but at least i have other options for food!

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You're kidding yourself if you think...
Posted by: seastar on Aug 26, 2008 11:38 AM   
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this is a good thing for the Walmart employee.

Unearned income is keeping wages down and prices going up.

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the hard choice for many with Walmart
Posted by: zooeyhall on Aug 26, 2008 12:51 PM   
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So I am wondering--what do you tell the mom who is making 7 bucks an hour, who needs to buy clothes for her kids to go back to school AND pay the electricity bill with this weeks paycheck? "Tsk! Tsk! You shouldn't shop at WalMart, Honey!"

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Obviously you're not a Wal-Mart Shopper...
Posted by: sharonsylvie on Aug 26, 2008 1:41 PM   
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Obviously you're not a typical Wal-Mart shopper or you'd know we're abandoning Wal-Mart in favor of buying cheaper things at Dollar General. Wal-Mart's prices are no great shakes, except for paper towels, and their pet food has gone up 50% in recent months. My friends say I should buy pet food at Aldi's instead. As for whatever else I need, I find it at thrift shops and yard sales, including appliances. I'm tired of buying Chinese electric can openers that only last three months.

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Please don't shop at Target or Wall Mart Stores
Posted by: tim_s_eb@yahoo.com on Aug 26, 2008 3:13 PM   
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It is so regrettable to see one of the obviously more educated and bright people like yourself shop at either target of wall mart. You must be unaware of the ways the so called "savings" are brought to us? AlterNet would be a great source for you to dig in and find out alternatives to slave made goods and unhealthy foods picked too early in far away countries then trucked to their outlet stores destroying our local and national economy like never before in history.

I find better and higher quality, longer lasting goods without going to any corporate owned outlet which carries almost exclusively slave made crap from all over the globe.

These product’s real costs and negative human and environmental implications are immensely higher in the longer term. They are killing American economy and means of capital quite rapidly are removed from the hands of local and private small businesses and into the coffers of few gigantic and repressive corporate chains like wall mart, target, home depot, etc. thereby hijacking the wealth and well being of a great majority of ordinary Americans in favor of a few mindless beasts.

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Go garage saling, Good Well, Craigslist, hand me downs, etc places instead
Posted by: tim_s_eb@yahoo.com on Aug 26, 2008 3:21 PM   
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Well I suppose her kids don't like 2nd hand clothes? There is so much clothing and shit people through away anymore. Shopping is a disease for most people especially women. I am not a social psychologist but I think it is to augment the need to socialize? Since our social fabric has been torn to pieces by the advertisement and social engineering, we always look to fulfill the need by shopping senselessly? I wonder????

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i SENT THIS LETTER TO MY LOCAL PAPER U SHOULD TOO
Posted by: cori on Aug 26, 2008 5:18 PM   
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While oil prices are soaring we are sitting on the 2nd biggest oil deposit in the world, while oil companies are making record profits at the piump, and we paying billions in taxes for private corporate armies that are above the law. Like Bush/Chaney this will continue with McCain. On Bill Moyers Mickey Edwards and Matt Welch ( now on the internet) two conservatives discussed who McCain really is. McCain is also a trigger happy Neo Con who is big on preemptive strikes and military spending and a corporate guy who is hot for fabricated wars with no accountability.

“It's often said that when Mickey Edwards speaks conservatives listen.”

“MATT WELCH: People forget this, but in 1999 and 2000, when McCain was running against George Bush, he was the neoconservative candidate. You know, four years before the doctrine of preemptive war ever even occurred to Bush.”

Our Government is broken. Checks, balances and protections have been wiped out. The housing collapse lost nest eggs for tens of millions and the value of homes destroyed. Now you and your children can starve or die in the gutter with no protections or safety nets. What do you think our tax dollars should pay for anyway? McCain is a Bush clone and he will put the nails on our economic coffin if he gets in. The real war on terror is right here. It’s an economic war and we are the victims of an abusive regime that has sucked us dry. If you want to see how totally corrupt it is you can watch IRAQ FOR SALE: THE WAR PROFITEERS on Comcast on demand or the internet. Then you will know what your son’s and daughter’s really died for.

From Bill Moyer's, The Journal: “The rules of the game keep changing. For example: Colorado's largest utility - expects to shut off power to 72,000 homes; it’s part of a nationwide trend: Shutoffs are up thirty percent in Chicago, more than fifty percent in Detroit. A record number have fallen behind on their utility bills.

So vote with your mind. Think Obama/ Biden.

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If I was terrorist
Posted by: GuitarBill on Aug 26, 2008 7:35 PM   
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Do you know what I'd do?

I wouldn't use bombs or fly airplanes into the side of a building. Too messy.

I'd outsource the people's jobs; flood the country with east Indians and Chinese high tech workers and drive knowledge workers wages into the dirt; I'd swindle the middle-class and put their home's into foreclosure; I'd make health insurance unaffordable; I'd make a college education too expensive to afford; I'd allow speculators to drive the cost of gasoline and food through the roof; I'd allow the FCC to allow more monopolization of the media, etc.

Ooops, looks like Bush beat me to it.

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CommonDreamer
Posted by: CommonDreamer on Aug 26, 2008 7:40 PM   
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Well maybe now that the true state of working American's wallets is visible because easy credit purposefully extolled by Wall Street along with mindless consumerism as a smokescreen is not obscuring the truth - that wages have been purposefully depressed by the market...and the tax system is the most regressive in history perhaps...well, maybe, just maybe they'll make the connection between the extremely regressive tax and anti-populist policies and their empty wallets.

But not yet - signs still point to the same cluelessness and acceptance of the regressive regime - and fear of speaking up and not being patsies anymore because the right wing has so successfully made it seem that one should be self reliant and self made. Would that it were so. What would happen if the nanny state that supports the wealthy so well were suddenly yanked and they were made to pay their fare share? Self made - I don't think so. Their fortunes were made by the customers (read: median and under income America) and then those fortunes were unnecessarily enhanced and abetted by egregious tax policies both corporate and personal - and by complicit, corrupt Boards of Directors who pick from the same pockets.

These fortunes are not even close to being self made...(but then, no human being has ever been "self made"...all of us needed help somewhere)....but we are all feeling the effects of the wealthy welfare we finance as citizens and this is the fallout (only one of many, including losing homes, jobs, and upward mobility). Score another one for sophistry, deception and intimidation (and apathy on the part of the consumer voters). Still not enough anger nor perception out there. Do we have to wait until people are flat out broke before they make the connection? I guess so.

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Walmart values
Posted by: YogiBear on Aug 26, 2008 8:39 PM   
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What can you buy at Walmart that doesn't fall apart in 3 months?

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grokagain
Posted by: grokagain on Aug 27, 2008 9:49 AM   
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I've actually seen that Big Lots stock is really taking off. I was telling someone you can really tell the economy is getting bad when people have to start foregoing Wal Mart and have to start shopping Big Lots. But on the plus side, we've increased the number of billionaires over the last 20 years by 100 times.

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